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The result of the move request was: no move to Ann Arbor, restoring to Ann Arbor, Michigan per MoS on US cities. The discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(geographic_names)#RFC:_United_States_cities was closed on 21 Jan in favour of the current guideline specifying that AP style guide cities were the only exception. As a further suggestion, having closed a lot of pages over the years, attempts to loosen the MoS on this have only really worked with the biggest cities. It'd be cases like Memphis, Tennessee or Jacksonville, Florida that would lead to this guideline being loosened. When the AP style guide was brought in, it was merely as an excuse to make exceptions for the most famous cities and appease. Deacon of Pndapetzim ( Talk) 12:07, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
Ann Arbor → Ann Arbor, Michigan — Relisted. Dpmuk ( talk) 01:10, 17 January 2011 (UTC) Ann Arbor is not on the Associated Press list of U.S. cities that do not need the state identifier. As such, news reports and the like (excluding local sources, of course) that reference the city will almost always append the state; we should too. -- Powers T 21:16, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
On the other hand, you have the example of the AP cities, most of which each had a history of instability while subject to the comma convention rule, until they were moved to their concise titles. The only unstable one (of those that are primary topics for their plain names) now is the one that wasn't moved, Las Vegas, Nevada.
This article serves as an example of the instability caused by imposing the comma convention on articles with unambiguous plain names whether this article stays here or not; in fact this "move revert" proposal only strengthens the case (had the guideline been changed to no longer require ", state", there would be no grounds whatsoever for this proposal, and this article would remain here peacefully, indefinitely). -- Born2cycle ( talk) 01:58, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
Consistency with how other similar articles are titled is only one of five principle naming criteria listed at WP:TITLE, in this case the guideline/convention in question does not have consensus support, and using just "Ann Arbor" is consistent with how most other city articles are named, because two other relevant criteria here are conciseness and only as precise as necessary. Last I checked, 2 > 1 (I presume a wash in this case on the other two criteria, recognizability to those familiar with the topic and naturalness). -- Born2cycle ( talk) 23:19, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
If you really believe one or the other is more natural or recognizable (to those familiar with the topic), I suggest you're interpreting those criteria in this case in a way that they are not intended to be understood.
Please note that by that interpretation of "natural" and "recognizable", almost every article in WP about cities and towns with unambiguous names should have its title extended to be more "natural" and "recognizable". That is, if Ann Arbor, Michigan is more natural and/or recognizable than Ann Arbor, then Tecate, Baja California is more "natural" and/or "recognizable" than Tecate, and so it should be moved as well.
In fact, with that interpretation, countless titles about any topic that is not as well known as any city on the AP list should be extended to be more "natural" and/or "recognizable". In other words, it's an interpretation of these criteria that is not used for naming any other articles, so why should it be used here? Clearly, that's not how they are intended to be understood, and which is why, for example, recognizability is clarified to apply only to those already familiar with the topic.
Sorry, but this really seems like just another I just don't like it rationalization cleverly (and perhaps not intentionally) as an apparently reasonable position. This Wikipedian, for one, ain't buyin' it. Got anything else? -- Born2cycle ( talk) 00:12, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
The issue isn't whether "Ann Arbor, Michigan", is more natural than "Tecate, Baja California" (I agree it is), it's about whether "Ann Arbor, Michigan" is more natural than "Ann Arbor". I don't see how it is (and that goes for any U.S. city or town). That is, it's perfectly natural to refer to a U.S. city by its concise name, and so referring to it as "city, state", while also (arguably equally) natural, is not more natural. That's why I said above that with respect to naturalness, the two titles being considered here are a wash.
With respect to recognizability, if you ignore the "to readers who are familiar with (though not necessarily expert in) the topic" phrase, one might conceivably argue that "Ann Arbor, Michigan" is more "recognizable" than "Ann Arbor". But by that interpretation, "Tecate, Baja California" is more "recognizable" than "Tecate", and Regensburg, Bavaria is more "recognizable" than Regensburg ("Regensburg, Bavaria" is also quite "natural", by the way [10]). We don't move those cities (or countless other articles) to make them more "recognizable" in that sense, so that must not be what that criteria is about. Therefore the only way to see "recognizability" as favoring "Ann Arbor, Michigan" over "Ann Arbor", is to interpret "recognizability" specially for this article (or for U.S. city articles)... it's a classic JDLI rationalization. -- Born2cycle ( talk) 01:21, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
As to the argument that editors from each respective country should make these decisions, see WP:OWN and Balkanization. -- Born2cycle ( talk) 04:20, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
Also, per Wikipedia:Article_titles#Explicit_conventions, which says that the "practice of using specialized names [not strictly the common name] is often controversial, and should not be adopted ".
Finally, articles that are not at their concise titles face a turbulent future fraught with page moves and page move proposals. Only when articles like this are moved to the concise names, and the guideline is consistent with WP:TITLE naming criteria, can stability be expected, as demonstrated by the tranquility that ensued after the cities on the AP list were moved to their concise names. There is no reason to believe the same would not be true for this article, and every reason to believe it would. -- Born2cycle ( talk) 07:42, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
What you won't find in either of these documents is a reference to the proposed name of this article, Ann Arbor, Michigan, which is what is relevant here. -- Born2cycle ( talk) 02:29, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
There is no basis in these documents or anywhere else for your claim that "inherent in the name of US cities that they are referred to by municipality, state", at least not with respect to Ann Arbor, which is all that matters here. -- Born2cycle ( talk) 03:15, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
I would also respond to the above comment by Skinsmoke that "the Christmas move to Ann Arbor was an attempt to pre-empt that discussion, and completely at variance with our procedures." I can assure you that my closure and move was not an attempt to "pre-empt" anything. It was an attempt to close the move according to the discussion there, in order to help clear the extensive backlog at WP:RM. I have no dog in this fight, but I know what I know about Wikipedia guidelines being determined in a bottom-up fashion, not a top-down one.
As for being "completely at variance with our procedures", I think I can say that, having closed literally thousands of move requests in the last 4 or 5 years, I have a pretty clear understanding of what our procedures are. In particular, we decide things by consensus, in a bottom up, case-by-case manner.
If my closure is reversed, I won't argue, but will note what happened and keep it in mind as another bit of evidence regarding the community's thinking on this issue. - GTBacchus( talk) 19:18, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
If you look at the way we've handled US cities over the past.... decade, then you'll see that we've been moving in this direction for some time. We started with a big database dump of practically every US settlement, all created without any individual discussion, and as we've worked through them over the years, we've been refining our way of treating American cities. This is what I've observed, anyway, and I try to close moves in accordance with my observations of emergent community consensus. I may be wrong in this case, but I don't think so.
We'll see, but I predict that in a year, many more well-known US cities will have articles titled without state-name disambiguation. I hope that I'm reflecting this trend passively, because it is never my intention to be any kind of activist RM closer. That's why I'm observing this discussion closely, to see whether I mis-stepped. I hope that my action doesn't seem "bureaucratic", when viewed in that light. - GTBacchus( talk) 05:35, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
Also, the closing admin has clarified on his talk page that the statement about consensus support for the guideline was based on the presumption that the guideline "already [had] a broad consensus", not that the RFC showed there is actual consensus support now [11].
Further, when a guideline like "the canonical form ... is [[Placename, State]]" conflicts with policy like "concise titles are preferred" and "only as precise as necessary", as it does in cases like this where the topic has a concise and unique name that needs no additional precision for disambiguation, "editors may assume that the policy takes precedence" (see Wikipedia:Policies_and_guidelines#Conflicts_between_advice_pages). Although the WP:TITLE policy states that many article titles follow the pattern used by similar articles as established in guidelines, it also notes that such guidelines "ideally indicate titles that are in accordance with the principal criteria ..." (including conciseness and only as precise as necessary). The title indicated by the guideline in this case, "Ann Arbor, Michigan", is not in accordance with the principal criteria because it is not as concise as "Ann Arbor", and is more precise than is necessary for disambiguation. The conflict with policy that exists in special cases like this with clear and unique concise natural names is about as good of a reason to ignore a guideline as there can be. -- Born2cycle ( talk) 18:03, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
Alanscottwalker ( talk) 19:36, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
Looking at Category:WikiProject Universities, it seems like University of Michigan might want to start its own project. I would start it myself, but I am already running WP:CHICAGO, WP:FOUR and WP:WAWARD.-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 17:48, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
Borders Books has filed for bankruptcy, and even the downtown store (on the corner of Liberty and State street) is closing. Should the article be updated to reflect this? S33plusplus ( talk) 23:06, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
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The top employer list looks suspect to me. Three of the employers aren't even located in the city. Kendall-K1 ( talk) 16:09, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
Until someone can provide a good reason for including the table, I am placing it here for further discussion.
Pentawing
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According to the City's 2011 Comprehensive Annual Financial Report [ "City of Ann Arbor CAFR" (PDF). Retrieved 2012-11-02. ], the top employers in the city are:
# | Employer | # of Employees |
---|---|---|
1 | University of Michigan | 27,003 |
2 | University of Michigan Health System | 19,614 |
3 | Saint Joseph Mercy Health System | 5,304 |
4 | Ann Arbor Public Schools | 3,578 |
5 | VA Ann Arbor Healthcase System | 1,600 |
6 | Washtenaw County | 1,339 |
7 | City of Ann Arbor | 710 |
8 | 619 | |
9 | Washtenaw Community College | 576 |
10 | Domino's Pizza | 550 |
The City Hall photo and its caption seem to be out of date. Ideally we would have a new photo, otherwise can someone familiar with the situation update the caption? Kendall-K1 ( talk) 00:08, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
On a recent visit I noticed the local paper, the Com, seems to be gone and the News is back? Or maybe it's the same paper with a new name? Can someone who knows the story fix this? Kendall-K1 ( talk) 00:15, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
I think the "Geography and cityscape" section can be expanded and improved. Using the outline format similar to San Diego, which is like many other cities:
** Neighborhoods ** Cityscape ** Climate ** Ecology
The Cityscape subsection could incorporate many of the paragraphs in the current "Geography and cityscape"
The Climate subsection could be the same as the current Climate subsection.
The Ecology subsection could allow a better explanation of the Huron River and its tributaries, the history of enclosing some tributaries and the reopening of others such as Mallet Creek. It was also allow an explanation of the human activities along the river, etc.
The Neighborhoods subsection could list the names of the neighborhoods within Ann Arbor by area. There are a number of resources that list these neighborhoods such as realtor websites (for example see Ann Arbor Neighborhood Links at the bottom of www.bouma.com, but keep in mind a realtor stretches the meaning of Ann Arbor to mean Ann Arbor Area),
There are different formats that could present the information. One that would be useful if details of the locale were added later would be:
Central Ann Arbor
Northeast Ann Arbor
Northwest Ann Arbor
Southeast Ann Arbor
Southwest Ann Arbor
The above format is used on many city pages. But consensus may be to use a table format as shown below, yet this might be difficult for smart phone users to navigate:
Location | Area km² |
Pop. Census 2000 |
Pop./ km² |
Neighborhoods |
---|---|---|---|---|
Central Ann Arbor | 0.00 | 0 | 11,459 | Ann Arbor Hills (Tuomy Hills, etc.), Bach, Downtown, Old Fourth Ward, New West Side, Old West Side (Almendinger Heights, Virginia Park, etc.), Burns Park (North Burns Park, Lower Burns Park), etc. |
Northeast Ann Arbor | 0.00 | 0 | 8,452 | Arbor Hills aka , Bromley, Chapel Hill, Earhart Village, Foxfire, Geddes Lake, Glasier Way (formerly incorrectly Glacier Way, currently incorrectly Glazier Way), Northeast, Orchard Hill / Maplewood, Plansmart, |
Northwest Ann Arbor | 0.00 | 0 | 8,452 | Hollywood Park, Lakewood, etc. |
Southeast Ann Arbor | 0.00 | 0 | 8,452 | Bryant, Clinton-George, Freeman Estates, Kimberly Hills, Southeast, Turnberry, etc. |
Southwest Ann Arbor | 0.00 | 0 | 2,593 | Vernon Woods, Lawton, etc. |
Ann Arbor | 0.00 | 0 | 9,632 |
I put in the extra information about the Glasier Way neighborhood so you can see how information could be expanded in each format.
Comments please. 24.11.169.223 ( talk) 14:04, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
www.mapquest.com shows the names of various areas and neighborhoods, and the Ann Arbor Planning Department lists some neighborhood groups at http://www.a2gov.org/government/communityservices/planninganddevelopment/planning/Pages/ResidentialAssociations.aspx, and the historic societies have information about each of them (i.e. Mallets Creek Settlement 1824-1853 which became Platt Community in Pittsfield Twp, the City of East Ann Arbor in 1947, then annexed in 1956. 24.11.169.223 ( talk) 12:09, 5 April 2014 (UTC) Another source could be http://annarborobserver.com/cg/t1305.html 24.11.169.223 ( talk) 12:17, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
The Mayor of Ann Arbor has changed, and it was noted at the table at the head of the article, but the section in Law and Government needs to be updated 1/05/15 Vincens165 ( talk) 02:09, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
For a historical context, both
but it's worth noting that you can't just automatically use their descriptions of period Ann Arbor as descriptions of what Ann Arbor is like today. Things changed over the course of the 20th century. — LlywelynII 06:26, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
I'm not sure the "Washington at night" photo is the best replacement, but I hate the skyline photo. It's not so much a photo of the Ann Arbor skyline as of the two billboards, which I don't think are even there any more. A daytime photo of Main Street would be nice if we had one, or a skyline of downtown. Kendall-K1 ( talk) 11:00, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
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I understand we need a source for this, but what's weaselly about it? "Ann Arbor became a focal point for political activism and served as a hub..." Kendall-K1 ( talk) 19:10, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
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I removed the part about Ann Arbor being one of the safest cities in Michigan. The cited source does say "Munetrix, a Michigan-based data aggregator, has compiled a list of the 15 safest cities in the state." [12] The Munetrix study [13] ranks Ann Arbor number 11 of cities over 50K population. There are 31 such cities, putting Ann Arbor at the 65th percentile. I think we need to draw a distinction between "list of cities ranked by safest" and "list of the safest cities." Kendall-K1 ( talk) 22:06, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
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I started to update the list of public schools from the district web site, [14], but it's not straightforward. The schools no longer fit neatly into Elementary, Middle, and High school categories; we have three schools that combine aspects of several. I don't think we really need to list schools other than the notable ones, so that's what I did. Please don't just revert if you don't like this, put in the effort to update the list. Kendall-K1 ( talk) 01:52, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
The main city photo on the current Ann Arbor page is a picture of two billboards and doesn't adequately represent Ann Arbor. I suggest changing it to the following photo, which I took and uploaded today:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Michigan_Theater,_Ann_Arbor_2020-05-05.jpg
It's not a great photo - it was too overcast today - but I think it's a decent representation of the town.
I also uploaded this photo of Main Street in downtown Ann Arbor, which is also an iconic view of the city:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Downtown_Ann_Arbor,_2020-05-05.jpg
There are other images that may be suitable, like Michigan Stadium or The Law Quad, but those represent The University of Michigan more than the City of Ann Arbor.
Comments? Chriswaco ( talk) 22:45, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
Please read
This isnt reddit. This is Wikipedia, and there is no deadline. The image in question isn't going to change today, tomorrow or likely even this month. This is an FA article and it will stay open for discussion until many many more editors have chimed in. I'll be posting appropriate notifications and requesting protection for the actual article. We don't vote around here. WP:ILIKEIT isn't an argument. Picture will remain status quo until an actual CONSENSUS is reached. John from Idegon ( talk) 05:43, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: no move to Ann Arbor, restoring to Ann Arbor, Michigan per MoS on US cities. The discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(geographic_names)#RFC:_United_States_cities was closed on 21 Jan in favour of the current guideline specifying that AP style guide cities were the only exception. As a further suggestion, having closed a lot of pages over the years, attempts to loosen the MoS on this have only really worked with the biggest cities. It'd be cases like Memphis, Tennessee or Jacksonville, Florida that would lead to this guideline being loosened. When the AP style guide was brought in, it was merely as an excuse to make exceptions for the most famous cities and appease. Deacon of Pndapetzim ( Talk) 12:07, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
Ann Arbor → Ann Arbor, Michigan — Relisted. Dpmuk ( talk) 01:10, 17 January 2011 (UTC) Ann Arbor is not on the Associated Press list of U.S. cities that do not need the state identifier. As such, news reports and the like (excluding local sources, of course) that reference the city will almost always append the state; we should too. -- Powers T 21:16, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
On the other hand, you have the example of the AP cities, most of which each had a history of instability while subject to the comma convention rule, until they were moved to their concise titles. The only unstable one (of those that are primary topics for their plain names) now is the one that wasn't moved, Las Vegas, Nevada.
This article serves as an example of the instability caused by imposing the comma convention on articles with unambiguous plain names whether this article stays here or not; in fact this "move revert" proposal only strengthens the case (had the guideline been changed to no longer require ", state", there would be no grounds whatsoever for this proposal, and this article would remain here peacefully, indefinitely). -- Born2cycle ( talk) 01:58, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
Consistency with how other similar articles are titled is only one of five principle naming criteria listed at WP:TITLE, in this case the guideline/convention in question does not have consensus support, and using just "Ann Arbor" is consistent with how most other city articles are named, because two other relevant criteria here are conciseness and only as precise as necessary. Last I checked, 2 > 1 (I presume a wash in this case on the other two criteria, recognizability to those familiar with the topic and naturalness). -- Born2cycle ( talk) 23:19, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
If you really believe one or the other is more natural or recognizable (to those familiar with the topic), I suggest you're interpreting those criteria in this case in a way that they are not intended to be understood.
Please note that by that interpretation of "natural" and "recognizable", almost every article in WP about cities and towns with unambiguous names should have its title extended to be more "natural" and "recognizable". That is, if Ann Arbor, Michigan is more natural and/or recognizable than Ann Arbor, then Tecate, Baja California is more "natural" and/or "recognizable" than Tecate, and so it should be moved as well.
In fact, with that interpretation, countless titles about any topic that is not as well known as any city on the AP list should be extended to be more "natural" and/or "recognizable". In other words, it's an interpretation of these criteria that is not used for naming any other articles, so why should it be used here? Clearly, that's not how they are intended to be understood, and which is why, for example, recognizability is clarified to apply only to those already familiar with the topic.
Sorry, but this really seems like just another I just don't like it rationalization cleverly (and perhaps not intentionally) as an apparently reasonable position. This Wikipedian, for one, ain't buyin' it. Got anything else? -- Born2cycle ( talk) 00:12, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
The issue isn't whether "Ann Arbor, Michigan", is more natural than "Tecate, Baja California" (I agree it is), it's about whether "Ann Arbor, Michigan" is more natural than "Ann Arbor". I don't see how it is (and that goes for any U.S. city or town). That is, it's perfectly natural to refer to a U.S. city by its concise name, and so referring to it as "city, state", while also (arguably equally) natural, is not more natural. That's why I said above that with respect to naturalness, the two titles being considered here are a wash.
With respect to recognizability, if you ignore the "to readers who are familiar with (though not necessarily expert in) the topic" phrase, one might conceivably argue that "Ann Arbor, Michigan" is more "recognizable" than "Ann Arbor". But by that interpretation, "Tecate, Baja California" is more "recognizable" than "Tecate", and Regensburg, Bavaria is more "recognizable" than Regensburg ("Regensburg, Bavaria" is also quite "natural", by the way [10]). We don't move those cities (or countless other articles) to make them more "recognizable" in that sense, so that must not be what that criteria is about. Therefore the only way to see "recognizability" as favoring "Ann Arbor, Michigan" over "Ann Arbor", is to interpret "recognizability" specially for this article (or for U.S. city articles)... it's a classic JDLI rationalization. -- Born2cycle ( talk) 01:21, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
As to the argument that editors from each respective country should make these decisions, see WP:OWN and Balkanization. -- Born2cycle ( talk) 04:20, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
Also, per Wikipedia:Article_titles#Explicit_conventions, which says that the "practice of using specialized names [not strictly the common name] is often controversial, and should not be adopted ".
Finally, articles that are not at their concise titles face a turbulent future fraught with page moves and page move proposals. Only when articles like this are moved to the concise names, and the guideline is consistent with WP:TITLE naming criteria, can stability be expected, as demonstrated by the tranquility that ensued after the cities on the AP list were moved to their concise names. There is no reason to believe the same would not be true for this article, and every reason to believe it would. -- Born2cycle ( talk) 07:42, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
What you won't find in either of these documents is a reference to the proposed name of this article, Ann Arbor, Michigan, which is what is relevant here. -- Born2cycle ( talk) 02:29, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
There is no basis in these documents or anywhere else for your claim that "inherent in the name of US cities that they are referred to by municipality, state", at least not with respect to Ann Arbor, which is all that matters here. -- Born2cycle ( talk) 03:15, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
I would also respond to the above comment by Skinsmoke that "the Christmas move to Ann Arbor was an attempt to pre-empt that discussion, and completely at variance with our procedures." I can assure you that my closure and move was not an attempt to "pre-empt" anything. It was an attempt to close the move according to the discussion there, in order to help clear the extensive backlog at WP:RM. I have no dog in this fight, but I know what I know about Wikipedia guidelines being determined in a bottom-up fashion, not a top-down one.
As for being "completely at variance with our procedures", I think I can say that, having closed literally thousands of move requests in the last 4 or 5 years, I have a pretty clear understanding of what our procedures are. In particular, we decide things by consensus, in a bottom up, case-by-case manner.
If my closure is reversed, I won't argue, but will note what happened and keep it in mind as another bit of evidence regarding the community's thinking on this issue. - GTBacchus( talk) 19:18, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
If you look at the way we've handled US cities over the past.... decade, then you'll see that we've been moving in this direction for some time. We started with a big database dump of practically every US settlement, all created without any individual discussion, and as we've worked through them over the years, we've been refining our way of treating American cities. This is what I've observed, anyway, and I try to close moves in accordance with my observations of emergent community consensus. I may be wrong in this case, but I don't think so.
We'll see, but I predict that in a year, many more well-known US cities will have articles titled without state-name disambiguation. I hope that I'm reflecting this trend passively, because it is never my intention to be any kind of activist RM closer. That's why I'm observing this discussion closely, to see whether I mis-stepped. I hope that my action doesn't seem "bureaucratic", when viewed in that light. - GTBacchus( talk) 05:35, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
Also, the closing admin has clarified on his talk page that the statement about consensus support for the guideline was based on the presumption that the guideline "already [had] a broad consensus", not that the RFC showed there is actual consensus support now [11].
Further, when a guideline like "the canonical form ... is [[Placename, State]]" conflicts with policy like "concise titles are preferred" and "only as precise as necessary", as it does in cases like this where the topic has a concise and unique name that needs no additional precision for disambiguation, "editors may assume that the policy takes precedence" (see Wikipedia:Policies_and_guidelines#Conflicts_between_advice_pages). Although the WP:TITLE policy states that many article titles follow the pattern used by similar articles as established in guidelines, it also notes that such guidelines "ideally indicate titles that are in accordance with the principal criteria ..." (including conciseness and only as precise as necessary). The title indicated by the guideline in this case, "Ann Arbor, Michigan", is not in accordance with the principal criteria because it is not as concise as "Ann Arbor", and is more precise than is necessary for disambiguation. The conflict with policy that exists in special cases like this with clear and unique concise natural names is about as good of a reason to ignore a guideline as there can be. -- Born2cycle ( talk) 18:03, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
Alanscottwalker ( talk) 19:36, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
Looking at Category:WikiProject Universities, it seems like University of Michigan might want to start its own project. I would start it myself, but I am already running WP:CHICAGO, WP:FOUR and WP:WAWARD.-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 17:48, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
Borders Books has filed for bankruptcy, and even the downtown store (on the corner of Liberty and State street) is closing. Should the article be updated to reflect this? S33plusplus ( talk) 23:06, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
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The top employer list looks suspect to me. Three of the employers aren't even located in the city. Kendall-K1 ( talk) 16:09, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
Until someone can provide a good reason for including the table, I am placing it here for further discussion.
Pentawing
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According to the City's 2011 Comprehensive Annual Financial Report [ "City of Ann Arbor CAFR" (PDF). Retrieved 2012-11-02. ], the top employers in the city are:
# | Employer | # of Employees |
---|---|---|
1 | University of Michigan | 27,003 |
2 | University of Michigan Health System | 19,614 |
3 | Saint Joseph Mercy Health System | 5,304 |
4 | Ann Arbor Public Schools | 3,578 |
5 | VA Ann Arbor Healthcase System | 1,600 |
6 | Washtenaw County | 1,339 |
7 | City of Ann Arbor | 710 |
8 | 619 | |
9 | Washtenaw Community College | 576 |
10 | Domino's Pizza | 550 |
The City Hall photo and its caption seem to be out of date. Ideally we would have a new photo, otherwise can someone familiar with the situation update the caption? Kendall-K1 ( talk) 00:08, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
On a recent visit I noticed the local paper, the Com, seems to be gone and the News is back? Or maybe it's the same paper with a new name? Can someone who knows the story fix this? Kendall-K1 ( talk) 00:15, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
I think the "Geography and cityscape" section can be expanded and improved. Using the outline format similar to San Diego, which is like many other cities:
** Neighborhoods ** Cityscape ** Climate ** Ecology
The Cityscape subsection could incorporate many of the paragraphs in the current "Geography and cityscape"
The Climate subsection could be the same as the current Climate subsection.
The Ecology subsection could allow a better explanation of the Huron River and its tributaries, the history of enclosing some tributaries and the reopening of others such as Mallet Creek. It was also allow an explanation of the human activities along the river, etc.
The Neighborhoods subsection could list the names of the neighborhoods within Ann Arbor by area. There are a number of resources that list these neighborhoods such as realtor websites (for example see Ann Arbor Neighborhood Links at the bottom of www.bouma.com, but keep in mind a realtor stretches the meaning of Ann Arbor to mean Ann Arbor Area),
There are different formats that could present the information. One that would be useful if details of the locale were added later would be:
Central Ann Arbor
Northeast Ann Arbor
Northwest Ann Arbor
Southeast Ann Arbor
Southwest Ann Arbor
The above format is used on many city pages. But consensus may be to use a table format as shown below, yet this might be difficult for smart phone users to navigate:
Location | Area km² |
Pop. Census 2000 |
Pop./ km² |
Neighborhoods |
---|---|---|---|---|
Central Ann Arbor | 0.00 | 0 | 11,459 | Ann Arbor Hills (Tuomy Hills, etc.), Bach, Downtown, Old Fourth Ward, New West Side, Old West Side (Almendinger Heights, Virginia Park, etc.), Burns Park (North Burns Park, Lower Burns Park), etc. |
Northeast Ann Arbor | 0.00 | 0 | 8,452 | Arbor Hills aka , Bromley, Chapel Hill, Earhart Village, Foxfire, Geddes Lake, Glasier Way (formerly incorrectly Glacier Way, currently incorrectly Glazier Way), Northeast, Orchard Hill / Maplewood, Plansmart, |
Northwest Ann Arbor | 0.00 | 0 | 8,452 | Hollywood Park, Lakewood, etc. |
Southeast Ann Arbor | 0.00 | 0 | 8,452 | Bryant, Clinton-George, Freeman Estates, Kimberly Hills, Southeast, Turnberry, etc. |
Southwest Ann Arbor | 0.00 | 0 | 2,593 | Vernon Woods, Lawton, etc. |
Ann Arbor | 0.00 | 0 | 9,632 |
I put in the extra information about the Glasier Way neighborhood so you can see how information could be expanded in each format.
Comments please. 24.11.169.223 ( talk) 14:04, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
www.mapquest.com shows the names of various areas and neighborhoods, and the Ann Arbor Planning Department lists some neighborhood groups at http://www.a2gov.org/government/communityservices/planninganddevelopment/planning/Pages/ResidentialAssociations.aspx, and the historic societies have information about each of them (i.e. Mallets Creek Settlement 1824-1853 which became Platt Community in Pittsfield Twp, the City of East Ann Arbor in 1947, then annexed in 1956. 24.11.169.223 ( talk) 12:09, 5 April 2014 (UTC) Another source could be http://annarborobserver.com/cg/t1305.html 24.11.169.223 ( talk) 12:17, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
The Mayor of Ann Arbor has changed, and it was noted at the table at the head of the article, but the section in Law and Government needs to be updated 1/05/15 Vincens165 ( talk) 02:09, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
For a historical context, both
but it's worth noting that you can't just automatically use their descriptions of period Ann Arbor as descriptions of what Ann Arbor is like today. Things changed over the course of the 20th century. — LlywelynII 06:26, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
I'm not sure the "Washington at night" photo is the best replacement, but I hate the skyline photo. It's not so much a photo of the Ann Arbor skyline as of the two billboards, which I don't think are even there any more. A daytime photo of Main Street would be nice if we had one, or a skyline of downtown. Kendall-K1 ( talk) 11:00, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
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I understand we need a source for this, but what's weaselly about it? "Ann Arbor became a focal point for political activism and served as a hub..." Kendall-K1 ( talk) 19:10, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
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I removed the part about Ann Arbor being one of the safest cities in Michigan. The cited source does say "Munetrix, a Michigan-based data aggregator, has compiled a list of the 15 safest cities in the state." [12] The Munetrix study [13] ranks Ann Arbor number 11 of cities over 50K population. There are 31 such cities, putting Ann Arbor at the 65th percentile. I think we need to draw a distinction between "list of cities ranked by safest" and "list of the safest cities." Kendall-K1 ( talk) 22:06, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
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I started to update the list of public schools from the district web site, [14], but it's not straightforward. The schools no longer fit neatly into Elementary, Middle, and High school categories; we have three schools that combine aspects of several. I don't think we really need to list schools other than the notable ones, so that's what I did. Please don't just revert if you don't like this, put in the effort to update the list. Kendall-K1 ( talk) 01:52, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
The main city photo on the current Ann Arbor page is a picture of two billboards and doesn't adequately represent Ann Arbor. I suggest changing it to the following photo, which I took and uploaded today:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Michigan_Theater,_Ann_Arbor_2020-05-05.jpg
It's not a great photo - it was too overcast today - but I think it's a decent representation of the town.
I also uploaded this photo of Main Street in downtown Ann Arbor, which is also an iconic view of the city:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Downtown_Ann_Arbor,_2020-05-05.jpg
There are other images that may be suitable, like Michigan Stadium or The Law Quad, but those represent The University of Michigan more than the City of Ann Arbor.
Comments? Chriswaco ( talk) 22:45, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
Please read
This isnt reddit. This is Wikipedia, and there is no deadline. The image in question isn't going to change today, tomorrow or likely even this month. This is an FA article and it will stay open for discussion until many many more editors have chimed in. I'll be posting appropriate notifications and requesting protection for the actual article. We don't vote around here. WP:ILIKEIT isn't an argument. Picture will remain status quo until an actual CONSENSUS is reached. John from Idegon ( talk) 05:43, 7 May 2020 (UTC)