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The result of the move request was: moved. Clear consensus that the proposed title is more concise, more accurate to the article's content, and should be adopted. ( non-admin closure) — Ganesha811 ( talk) 05:03, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
United States documents leak of the Russian invasion of Ukraine → 2023 Pentagon document leaks – The current title is inaccurate, as the documents include international topics beside Ukraine and per WP:COMMONNAME I suggest this move solves that issue, making the article easier to find. The three words in the proposed renamed title appear to be most often used in a cross section of sources describing this event. Jusdafax ( talk) 00:02, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
I see there is a similar article to this one, a four paragraph stub, at 2023 alleged United States classified information leak. I’d suggest a merge, but the process can be lengthy. The easiest solution, it seems to me, is to copy and paste any pertinent info and sources into this article, then speedy delete the stub. Possibly too easy a solution, however. Jusdafax ( talk) 00:24, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
Why are there no images of the documents posted? Would it be permissible according to Wikipedia regulations to post the 100 screenshots of the leaked documents which are being analyzed by journalists, and link here? 223.205.76.87 ( talk) 07:09, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
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How can it be addressed that there are reportedly many versions of these leaks circulating? One example is the article currently mentions Ukrainian and Russian deaths both at 100k+, but AP referencing this leak says "16,000-17,500 Russian casualties and up to 71,000 Ukrainian casualties" https://apnews.com/article/e351c6613e69bf8d714b03e367543da8
BBC says "It comes as little surprise to learn that the US estimates that between 189,500 and 223,000 Russian soldiers have been killed or wounded. The equivalent figure for Ukraine's losses - between 124,500 and 131,000 "
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65225985 Shredux ( talk) 07:58, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
@ Tweedledumb2, Spinixster, Masebrock, LilianaUwU, and Taishonambu:. There's a mini edit war brewing over these edits. May I suggest that we remove this info for now ( WP:BRD), then discuss here the pros and cons of including it?
My personal opinion is that some of this is probably OK to include if the source is really strong and the level of detail is
WP:DUE.
https://theins.info/ looks like a reliable source at first glance, but upon further review the article makes extraordinary claims like wiretapping of Zelensky
with no evidence. This is a red flag to me about the quality of this source. The documents in no way state that Zelensky was wiretapped (a more plausible explanation is that Ukraine told USA the plans), yet this wiretapping allegation has somehow made it into the title of the article. –
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According to a 28 July 2008 diplomatic cable from the U.S. Embassy in Lisbon, nuclear and/or radiological materials allegedly stolen from the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant were thought to be in possession of an unidentified ex-Russian general living in Portugal. The cable reports, "The walk-in stated he was approached two months ago by a part-time business associate named Orlando to help sell 'Uranium plates' owned by an unidentified ex-Russian General living in Portugal.This is not "vague and generalized." Because, again I reiterate, there is no policy or consensus to remove classified information from Wikipedia. Masebrock ( talk) 06:58, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
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"A subset of documents were sent to Discord servers for a British-Filipino YouTuber and the sandbox video game Minecraft in late February and early March." Just say the youtuber is WoW_Mao Like: " A subset of documents were sent to Discord servers for the British-Filipino YouTuber "Wow_Mao" and the sandbox video game Minecraft in late February and early March." JobinMoscow ( talk) 15:17, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
There are a lot of claims put forth in the intro of this article which are without citation. Of course they could all be stated in the archive of the New York Times article that is cited for the last paragraph, but I have a lot of trouble accessing it. StrongALPHA ( talk 16:05, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
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The contents of the Contents section are getting quite large. Should the Contents section be split out into a separate article, perhaps titled
Contents of the 2023 Pentagon documents leak?
elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 20:50, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
The "Russian invasion of Ukraine" campaignbox to the right of the lede goes out of bounds when expanded. I don't have the knowledge to fix it, so I'd be happy if someone else could.
Thank you! - L'Mainerque - ( Disturb my slumber) - 21:00, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
The name is said to change at a very fast pace, and includes racial slurs at some point. The minecraft server in question was called "Minecraft Earth Maps" 172.117.237.102 ( talk) 00:21, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
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... has been revealed, per the New York Times https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/13/world/documents-leak-leaker-identity.html 70.29.86.11 ( talk) 16:21, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/04/13/suspect-pentagon-documents-leak/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.29.86.11 ( talk) 16:59, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
@ ElijahPepe. The "Sources and methods" section was recently removed without an edit summary. Could an explanation be provided please? I'd be in favor of keeping that section unless there's a source/text integrity problem or something. – Novem Linguae ( talk) 21:43, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
What's going on here? Would the same treatment be given if leaks on a similar scale happened to countries such as China, India, Iran, Pakistan, Russia, etc.? 121.136.51.26 ( talk) 00:28, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
Now that the leaks have been traced to a network technican of an Air National Guard base in Massaschusetts, maybe we should revisit if 2023 Pentagon document leaks is the best name for this article. Seems to me like the Pentagon has less and less to do with this leak. Not making an RM yet, since we just had one and I'm not sure what the new title should be, but I do see some problems with the current title. A new title should probably try to summarize the contents of the leaks. For example, are they all intelligence briefings? Then maybe 2023 intelligence briefing leaks. Did they all come from one agency such as the Defense Intelligence Agency or the Air Force or the Joint Staff? Then maybe 2023 Defense Intelligence Agency leaks. etc.
There's also the question of if we should remove the year, or add United States. Similar articles include Pentagon Papers, United States diplomatic cables leak, Global surveillance disclosures (2013–present), and July 12, 2007, Baghdad airstrike. There appears to be a lot of variability. Food for thought. – Novem Linguae ( talk) 01:42, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
Article says there is info on the DPRK in the leaked documents. But nothing is mentioned, only South Korea is brought up. Assuming the info is out there, should we include it? Genabab ( talk) 11:08, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
Does the primary source (the leaked documents or photographs) also exist on the internet, or is everything in the Content section all from nytimes, washington post and nbc only? Killarnee ( talk) 19:22, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
Hi Osterluzei. I was wondering why you re-added this content without an edit summary? It is already covered in the "Sources and methods" section, and it is also a bit WP:SYNTH to connect those two sentences together (what proof is there that the U.S. spied on Gutierres because he's "soft on Putin" and not for another reason?), so I'd be in favor of removing it. – Novem Linguae ( talk) 23:31, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
Can we add a link somewhere in this article to the article Internet leak. Not sure if that would be Wikipedia:Overlinking. Cwater1 ( talk) 18:32, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
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This is from the Wall Street Journal article, here:
The fact that Donbass Devushka isn’t a Russian from Donbas, as she presented herself online, but an American residing in Washington state, was first disclosed by pro-Ukrainian online open-source intelligence analysts and activists known as NAFO.
Thank you. 72.14.126.22 ( talk) 03:44, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
The Rachel Maddow Show, 17 April 2023, mentions that crudely altered photo(s) of Russian and Ukrainian casualty counts were first posted by the Donbass Devushka social media accounts, which was then cited by Tucker Carlson on Tucker Carlson Tonight on Fox News. MSNBC archives The Rachel Maddow Show transcripts.... 0mtwb9gd5wx ( talk) 18:55, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
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Change the first Donbass Devushka to Donbass Devushka CretaceousFella ( talk) 16:45, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
I see there's a new section dedicated to the people that brought the leaked documents into view. Maybe that section should be expanded to include the user(s?) from the "wow_mao" Discord server that were also in Teixeria's original server, one of their names should be "Lucca" according to this source and the original bellingcat investigator. It also may be worth mentioning who the users from the "minecraft earth" server were, one of them admitted disseminating the documents shared by Lucca. 87.17.255.81 ( talk) 16:42, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
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"Malcontent News reported that, a anti-Russian-misinformation" should be changed to "Malcontent News reported that an anti-Russian-misinformation". Content clauses do not use commas and the "a" doesn't precede a noun with a vowel sound at the start. ObserveOwl ( talk) 16:41, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. There is general support for a move to the proposed title. ( closed by non-admin page mover) SkyWarrior 23:34, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
2023 Pentagon document leaks → 2022–2023 Pentagon document leaks – According to Bellingcat, the first leaks were in October 2022. According to the New York Times, the first leaks were in February 2022. In either case, the title should reflect that these leaks started in 2022. RAN1 ( talk) 01:49, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
There are two discord servers involved in these leaks. Thug Shaker Central -- a tight-knit server dedicated to the game Project Zomboid, apparently ( https://www.nme.com/news/gaming-news/classified-pentagon-documents-were-first-leaked-to-project-zomboid-fans-3430359) -- and a second, much larger, server named Minecraft Earth Map, dedicated to Minecraft ( https://www.nme.com/news/gaming-news/classified-u-s-documents-on-ukraine-war-spread-through-minecraft-discord-3429075)
Teixeira posted the documents to Thug Shaker Central initially. From there, someone else spread them to Minecraft Earth Map, which is the likely source of all subsequent reposts to places such as 4chan.
Many sources conflate these two different servers and falsely report that the documents first leaked on a Discord server for the game Minecraft.
This article does mention that there are two servers involved, but that fact is not immediately clear on first pass, and the reader can easily come away thinking only one server was involved. Given that, and the often mistaken reporting on this, I think the lead could be made clearer for readers that the chain of events is: 1. Teixera posts to Thug Shaker Central, 2. Someone else reposts to Minecraft Earth Map, 3. The leaks get much more widely disseminated from this point. 193.221.80.92 ( talk) 14:35, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
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I'm proposing fixing commas in the two sentences in the Document dissemination section, replacing "a" with "an" before "anti-Russian-misinformation," and removing the second "allegedly" from the first sentence ("allegedly posted"). My reasoning is that the original Wall Street Journal source says that the account "posted four documents" without using the word "allegedly" and the sentence is already qualified as being what the Wall Street Journal reported.
Current sentences:
The Wall Street Journal [1] reported that, Sarah Bils, a former aviation electronics technician 2nd Class, last stationed at Naval Air Station Whidbey Island, is allegedly behind the Donbass Devushka social media accounts, that allegedly posted at least four of the classified documents. [2] Malcontent News reported that, a anti-Russian-misinformation open source intelligence movement, North Atlantic Fellas Organization, identified Bils as one of the personas behind Donbass Devushka. [3]
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The Wall Street Journal [1] reported that Sarah Bils, a former aviation electronics technician 2nd Class last stationed at Naval Air Station Whidbey Island, is allegedly behind the Donbass Devushka social media accounts that posted at least four of the classified documents. [2] Malcontent News reported that an anti-Russian-misinformation open source intelligence movement, North Atlantic Fellas Organization, identified Bils as one of the personas behind Donbass Devushka. [3] Carbonaragonite ( talk) 02:01, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
References
usni/2023/04/17/donbass-devushka
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).The bellingcat article doesn’t say that the leaks came from the Oxide server, the guardian article misinterpreted this. Also the wording on dissemination makes it appear as if OG was a server admin there. He wasn’t. 2603:90C8:500:D19C:493D:5F80:5BE0:B788 ( talk) 22:19, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
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Please remove this sentence which is nearly a duplicate of the one that follows. Remove the first instance rather than the second because the second introduces the technician's name which is used subsequently.
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The result of the move request was: moved. Clear consensus that the proposed title is more concise, more accurate to the article's content, and should be adopted. ( non-admin closure) — Ganesha811 ( talk) 05:03, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
United States documents leak of the Russian invasion of Ukraine → 2023 Pentagon document leaks – The current title is inaccurate, as the documents include international topics beside Ukraine and per WP:COMMONNAME I suggest this move solves that issue, making the article easier to find. The three words in the proposed renamed title appear to be most often used in a cross section of sources describing this event. Jusdafax ( talk) 00:02, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
I see there is a similar article to this one, a four paragraph stub, at 2023 alleged United States classified information leak. I’d suggest a merge, but the process can be lengthy. The easiest solution, it seems to me, is to copy and paste any pertinent info and sources into this article, then speedy delete the stub. Possibly too easy a solution, however. Jusdafax ( talk) 00:24, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
Why are there no images of the documents posted? Would it be permissible according to Wikipedia regulations to post the 100 screenshots of the leaked documents which are being analyzed by journalists, and link here? 223.205.76.87 ( talk) 07:09, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
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How can it be addressed that there are reportedly many versions of these leaks circulating? One example is the article currently mentions Ukrainian and Russian deaths both at 100k+, but AP referencing this leak says "16,000-17,500 Russian casualties and up to 71,000 Ukrainian casualties" https://apnews.com/article/e351c6613e69bf8d714b03e367543da8
BBC says "It comes as little surprise to learn that the US estimates that between 189,500 and 223,000 Russian soldiers have been killed or wounded. The equivalent figure for Ukraine's losses - between 124,500 and 131,000 "
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65225985 Shredux ( talk) 07:58, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
@ Tweedledumb2, Spinixster, Masebrock, LilianaUwU, and Taishonambu:. There's a mini edit war brewing over these edits. May I suggest that we remove this info for now ( WP:BRD), then discuss here the pros and cons of including it?
My personal opinion is that some of this is probably OK to include if the source is really strong and the level of detail is
WP:DUE.
https://theins.info/ looks like a reliable source at first glance, but upon further review the article makes extraordinary claims like wiretapping of Zelensky
with no evidence. This is a red flag to me about the quality of this source. The documents in no way state that Zelensky was wiretapped (a more plausible explanation is that Ukraine told USA the plans), yet this wiretapping allegation has somehow made it into the title of the article. –
Novem Linguae (
talk) 14:03, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
According to a 28 July 2008 diplomatic cable from the U.S. Embassy in Lisbon, nuclear and/or radiological materials allegedly stolen from the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant were thought to be in possession of an unidentified ex-Russian general living in Portugal. The cable reports, "The walk-in stated he was approached two months ago by a part-time business associate named Orlando to help sell 'Uranium plates' owned by an unidentified ex-Russian General living in Portugal.This is not "vague and generalized." Because, again I reiterate, there is no policy or consensus to remove classified information from Wikipedia. Masebrock ( talk) 06:58, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
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"A subset of documents were sent to Discord servers for a British-Filipino YouTuber and the sandbox video game Minecraft in late February and early March." Just say the youtuber is WoW_Mao Like: " A subset of documents were sent to Discord servers for the British-Filipino YouTuber "Wow_Mao" and the sandbox video game Minecraft in late February and early March." JobinMoscow ( talk) 15:17, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
There are a lot of claims put forth in the intro of this article which are without citation. Of course they could all be stated in the archive of the New York Times article that is cited for the last paragraph, but I have a lot of trouble accessing it. StrongALPHA ( talk 16:05, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
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The contents of the Contents section are getting quite large. Should the Contents section be split out into a separate article, perhaps titled
Contents of the 2023 Pentagon documents leak?
elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 20:50, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
The "Russian invasion of Ukraine" campaignbox to the right of the lede goes out of bounds when expanded. I don't have the knowledge to fix it, so I'd be happy if someone else could.
Thank you! - L'Mainerque - ( Disturb my slumber) - 21:00, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
The name is said to change at a very fast pace, and includes racial slurs at some point. The minecraft server in question was called "Minecraft Earth Maps" 172.117.237.102 ( talk) 00:21, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
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... has been revealed, per the New York Times https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/13/world/documents-leak-leaker-identity.html 70.29.86.11 ( talk) 16:21, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/04/13/suspect-pentagon-documents-leak/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.29.86.11 ( talk) 16:59, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
@ ElijahPepe. The "Sources and methods" section was recently removed without an edit summary. Could an explanation be provided please? I'd be in favor of keeping that section unless there's a source/text integrity problem or something. – Novem Linguae ( talk) 21:43, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
What's going on here? Would the same treatment be given if leaks on a similar scale happened to countries such as China, India, Iran, Pakistan, Russia, etc.? 121.136.51.26 ( talk) 00:28, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
Now that the leaks have been traced to a network technican of an Air National Guard base in Massaschusetts, maybe we should revisit if 2023 Pentagon document leaks is the best name for this article. Seems to me like the Pentagon has less and less to do with this leak. Not making an RM yet, since we just had one and I'm not sure what the new title should be, but I do see some problems with the current title. A new title should probably try to summarize the contents of the leaks. For example, are they all intelligence briefings? Then maybe 2023 intelligence briefing leaks. Did they all come from one agency such as the Defense Intelligence Agency or the Air Force or the Joint Staff? Then maybe 2023 Defense Intelligence Agency leaks. etc.
There's also the question of if we should remove the year, or add United States. Similar articles include Pentagon Papers, United States diplomatic cables leak, Global surveillance disclosures (2013–present), and July 12, 2007, Baghdad airstrike. There appears to be a lot of variability. Food for thought. – Novem Linguae ( talk) 01:42, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
Article says there is info on the DPRK in the leaked documents. But nothing is mentioned, only South Korea is brought up. Assuming the info is out there, should we include it? Genabab ( talk) 11:08, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
Does the primary source (the leaked documents or photographs) also exist on the internet, or is everything in the Content section all from nytimes, washington post and nbc only? Killarnee ( talk) 19:22, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
Hi Osterluzei. I was wondering why you re-added this content without an edit summary? It is already covered in the "Sources and methods" section, and it is also a bit WP:SYNTH to connect those two sentences together (what proof is there that the U.S. spied on Gutierres because he's "soft on Putin" and not for another reason?), so I'd be in favor of removing it. – Novem Linguae ( talk) 23:31, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
Can we add a link somewhere in this article to the article Internet leak. Not sure if that would be Wikipedia:Overlinking. Cwater1 ( talk) 18:32, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
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This is from the Wall Street Journal article, here:
The fact that Donbass Devushka isn’t a Russian from Donbas, as she presented herself online, but an American residing in Washington state, was first disclosed by pro-Ukrainian online open-source intelligence analysts and activists known as NAFO.
Thank you. 72.14.126.22 ( talk) 03:44, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
The Rachel Maddow Show, 17 April 2023, mentions that crudely altered photo(s) of Russian and Ukrainian casualty counts were first posted by the Donbass Devushka social media accounts, which was then cited by Tucker Carlson on Tucker Carlson Tonight on Fox News. MSNBC archives The Rachel Maddow Show transcripts.... 0mtwb9gd5wx ( talk) 18:55, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
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Change the first Donbass Devushka to Donbass Devushka CretaceousFella ( talk) 16:45, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
I see there's a new section dedicated to the people that brought the leaked documents into view. Maybe that section should be expanded to include the user(s?) from the "wow_mao" Discord server that were also in Teixeria's original server, one of their names should be "Lucca" according to this source and the original bellingcat investigator. It also may be worth mentioning who the users from the "minecraft earth" server were, one of them admitted disseminating the documents shared by Lucca. 87.17.255.81 ( talk) 16:42, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
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"Malcontent News reported that, a anti-Russian-misinformation" should be changed to "Malcontent News reported that an anti-Russian-misinformation". Content clauses do not use commas and the "a" doesn't precede a noun with a vowel sound at the start. ObserveOwl ( talk) 16:41, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. There is general support for a move to the proposed title. ( closed by non-admin page mover) SkyWarrior 23:34, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
2023 Pentagon document leaks → 2022–2023 Pentagon document leaks – According to Bellingcat, the first leaks were in October 2022. According to the New York Times, the first leaks were in February 2022. In either case, the title should reflect that these leaks started in 2022. RAN1 ( talk) 01:49, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
There are two discord servers involved in these leaks. Thug Shaker Central -- a tight-knit server dedicated to the game Project Zomboid, apparently ( https://www.nme.com/news/gaming-news/classified-pentagon-documents-were-first-leaked-to-project-zomboid-fans-3430359) -- and a second, much larger, server named Minecraft Earth Map, dedicated to Minecraft ( https://www.nme.com/news/gaming-news/classified-u-s-documents-on-ukraine-war-spread-through-minecraft-discord-3429075)
Teixeira posted the documents to Thug Shaker Central initially. From there, someone else spread them to Minecraft Earth Map, which is the likely source of all subsequent reposts to places such as 4chan.
Many sources conflate these two different servers and falsely report that the documents first leaked on a Discord server for the game Minecraft.
This article does mention that there are two servers involved, but that fact is not immediately clear on first pass, and the reader can easily come away thinking only one server was involved. Given that, and the often mistaken reporting on this, I think the lead could be made clearer for readers that the chain of events is: 1. Teixera posts to Thug Shaker Central, 2. Someone else reposts to Minecraft Earth Map, 3. The leaks get much more widely disseminated from this point. 193.221.80.92 ( talk) 14:35, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
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I'm proposing fixing commas in the two sentences in the Document dissemination section, replacing "a" with "an" before "anti-Russian-misinformation," and removing the second "allegedly" from the first sentence ("allegedly posted"). My reasoning is that the original Wall Street Journal source says that the account "posted four documents" without using the word "allegedly" and the sentence is already qualified as being what the Wall Street Journal reported.
Current sentences:
The Wall Street Journal [1] reported that, Sarah Bils, a former aviation electronics technician 2nd Class, last stationed at Naval Air Station Whidbey Island, is allegedly behind the Donbass Devushka social media accounts, that allegedly posted at least four of the classified documents. [2] Malcontent News reported that, a anti-Russian-misinformation open source intelligence movement, North Atlantic Fellas Organization, identified Bils as one of the personas behind Donbass Devushka. [3]
Proposed new sentences:
The Wall Street Journal [1] reported that Sarah Bils, a former aviation electronics technician 2nd Class last stationed at Naval Air Station Whidbey Island, is allegedly behind the Donbass Devushka social media accounts that posted at least four of the classified documents. [2] Malcontent News reported that an anti-Russian-misinformation open source intelligence movement, North Atlantic Fellas Organization, identified Bils as one of the personas behind Donbass Devushka. [3] Carbonaragonite ( talk) 02:01, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
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was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).The bellingcat article doesn’t say that the leaks came from the Oxide server, the guardian article misinterpreted this. Also the wording on dissemination makes it appear as if OG was a server admin there. He wasn’t. 2603:90C8:500:D19C:493D:5F80:5BE0:B788 ( talk) 22:19, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
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Please remove this sentence which is nearly a duplicate of the one that follows. Remove the first instance rather than the second because the second introduces the technician's name which is used subsequently.
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