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I say no merge. Wagyu is a breed of cattle, while Kobe is a much more specific type of beef. You can buy beef from Wagyu cattle anywhere in the world, including the U.S. All Kobe are Wagyu but not all Wagyu are Kobe -- Kobe beef only comes from Kobe, Japan. 64.59.209.89 18:28, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
$40/lb to $150/lb (€27,6/kg to €103,5/kg). USD40/lb translates to USD88/kg and thus to EUR56/kg. I suppose someone converted the USD prices in EUR but forgot to convert from lb to kg ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chris CII ( talk • contribs) 12:21, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
I don't know how to edit Wikipedia very well, but I changed the price to $50/150g of wagyu. It was $500. Source: I live here and buy it from time to time and it's usually about 4,000 yen for 150g. I don't know who put that $500 in there because it's way off. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.158.126.253 ( talk) 00:43, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
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http://www.kaimayfair.co.uk/kai/Kai_Mayfair_Food_Menu.PDF refers to Grade 9 Wagyu.
It states grade 9 is the highest grading.
Does anybody know anything of this for inclusion? Lukeyboyuk ( talk) 21:25, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
Uploaded as Kobe beef rather than wagyū (described by the photographer).
Caption on page:
Wagyū beef served at a restaurant in Kobe.
The picture caption isn't clear whether the beef shown is actually as served, or whether it is cooked before serving.
There is also inconsistent capitalising of 'wagyū' in the article. Centrepull ( talk) 06:11, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
I noticed that the above named picture is used in BOTH the Kobe beef and the Wagyū article as an illustration of the product. It cannot be both Kobe beef and Wagyū beef at the same time. If this is a photo from Kobe, Japan -- as seemingly indicated -- it strikes me as very far-fetched that anyone in Kobe would even dare to serve the American "copy" of the original home product. 75.80.20.99 ( talk) 00:58, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
The red wine claim is imprecise, and a clarification is provided in a podcast/transcript that will be available tomorrow (20th July 2010). The show, an interview with an Australian 100% Wagyu farming family, also has other material to harvest for this article.
See here: http://www.abc.net.au/rn/bushtelegraph/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by You, Me and Everyone Else ( talk • contribs) 02:07, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
24mb Podcast is here: http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/rn/podcast/2010/07/bth_20100719.mp3
Doesn't look like there's a transcript for this show, though.
The pictures of this stuff look disgusting. Like beef bacon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.82.180.155 ( talk) 23:51, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
http://www.mrpme.com.au/wine-fed-wagyu — Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.1.215.172 ( talk) 10:11, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved to Wagyu. Favonian ( talk) 10:43, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
Wagyū → Wagyu – Wagyu is a common name per WP:COMMONNAME because Wagyu outnumbers Wagyū by Google book search hits.
I see that 和牛 is translated as meaning "Japanese cow" literally. I'm not particularly knowledgeable about Japanese, but I know that 牛 can mean "cow". However, I don't see how 和 could mean "Japanese", I assume a better translation for 和牛 would be "peaceful cattle" or something like that. Please advise. Flavio Costa ( talk) 17:19, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
A question, Why tsuru is also crane in japanese, Does the same word has two meanings? i don't even know where to ask. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2806:108E:22:4501:9843:B0F:E010:666A ( talk) 19:51, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
I cannot find any reference to the below cited in the provided Citations, in particular the reason for cross-bredding, the "too white" comment does not exist within the citation, and the marbling/red meat comment. Without further citations pertinent to the statements, the three sentences should be removed.
"In the United States, Japanese Wagyu cattle were bred with Angus cattle to create a crossbred animal that would be more able to survive the U.S. climate and ranching methods. The meat of this crossbreed was more marketable to the typical American buyer, for whom the meat of the wagyu cow is "too white".[5] The meat of the crossbreed provides the balance of marbling and red meat desired by them." 74.66.252.238 ( talk) 15:11, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
The current introductory section includes the statement that wagyu "...cattle [are] genetically predisposed to intense marbling and to producing a high percentage of oleaginous unsaturated fat." There is no citation, and I believe that this refers to some, but not all, breeds of wagyu. See http://www.maff.go.jp/j/shokusan/export/e_info/syoku_niku/pdf/4_en_beef.pdf . It appears that this is true for the dominant breed - Japanese Black - but not some some others, such as Japanese shorthorn.-- Larry ( talk) 01:50, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
[3] There is a story that some Korean breeds like the dark stripped chilkso (칡소) contributed the breed for the contemporary Japanese wagyu. Komitsuki ( talk) 10:54, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
The
FAO (the
UN Food and Agriculture Organization) lists Wagyu as an extinct Japanese native cattle breed (see FAO,
Japanese cattle breeds), citing the Japanese Ministry of Agriculture Forestry and Fisheries as reference.
Is it possible that the cattle breed that this article is talking about is simply the crossbred Japanese Black, called by the name of the extinct Wagyu for merchandising reasons?
Roberta jr. (
talk)
21:05, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
I reverted the edited to the section on the United States. First, claims like this need citations. The edit summary made a reference to the American Wagyu, but I didn't see anything in an admittedly quick glance at that site. If there's a specific reference, this needs to be added as part of the claim itself, not just in the summary. Second, I might have tried to clean up the language, but it makes my head hurt just looking at it; without the original article, I can't even begin to figure out what should be said. Third, the text makes it look as it it's been copied verbatim from some table or something; if so, this would be a copyright violation, and would have to be removed immediately.-- Larry ( talk) 17:41, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
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The current link to back the claim is a secondary source as best. The Dr in Question ( Dr. Crowe) only released a paper about "A combination of omega-3 fatty acids, folic acid and B-group vitamins is superior at lowering homocysteine than omega-3 alone: A meta-analysis" not about Wagyu specifically. This seems very misleading at best or purposefully wrong at worst as the linked website seems extremely biased towards the topic hence trying to portray it in the best possible light. I believe due to those reasons that part should be taken out and the source removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.138.46.188 ( talk) 22:01, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
shouldn't it say that somewhere at the top?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:645:100:1d20:4193:c3cd:8326:54a1 ( talk • contribs)
Wagyu means "Japanese cattle" and is not the name of a breed of cattle. Native Japanese speakers do not distinguish between "Japanese cattle" and "cattle in Japan." The article "Cattle in Japan" does not exist in the Japanese Wikipedia. If you claim that such a distinction exists in Japan, please provide the source.-- 薔薇騎士団 ( talk) 11:01, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
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I say no merge. Wagyu is a breed of cattle, while Kobe is a much more specific type of beef. You can buy beef from Wagyu cattle anywhere in the world, including the U.S. All Kobe are Wagyu but not all Wagyu are Kobe -- Kobe beef only comes from Kobe, Japan. 64.59.209.89 18:28, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
$40/lb to $150/lb (€27,6/kg to €103,5/kg). USD40/lb translates to USD88/kg and thus to EUR56/kg. I suppose someone converted the USD prices in EUR but forgot to convert from lb to kg ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chris CII ( talk • contribs) 12:21, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
I don't know how to edit Wikipedia very well, but I changed the price to $50/150g of wagyu. It was $500. Source: I live here and buy it from time to time and it's usually about 4,000 yen for 150g. I don't know who put that $500 in there because it's way off. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.158.126.253 ( talk) 00:43, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
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http://www.kaimayfair.co.uk/kai/Kai_Mayfair_Food_Menu.PDF refers to Grade 9 Wagyu.
It states grade 9 is the highest grading.
Does anybody know anything of this for inclusion? Lukeyboyuk ( talk) 21:25, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
Uploaded as Kobe beef rather than wagyū (described by the photographer).
Caption on page:
Wagyū beef served at a restaurant in Kobe.
The picture caption isn't clear whether the beef shown is actually as served, or whether it is cooked before serving.
There is also inconsistent capitalising of 'wagyū' in the article. Centrepull ( talk) 06:11, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
I noticed that the above named picture is used in BOTH the Kobe beef and the Wagyū article as an illustration of the product. It cannot be both Kobe beef and Wagyū beef at the same time. If this is a photo from Kobe, Japan -- as seemingly indicated -- it strikes me as very far-fetched that anyone in Kobe would even dare to serve the American "copy" of the original home product. 75.80.20.99 ( talk) 00:58, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
The red wine claim is imprecise, and a clarification is provided in a podcast/transcript that will be available tomorrow (20th July 2010). The show, an interview with an Australian 100% Wagyu farming family, also has other material to harvest for this article.
See here: http://www.abc.net.au/rn/bushtelegraph/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by You, Me and Everyone Else ( talk • contribs) 02:07, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
24mb Podcast is here: http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/rn/podcast/2010/07/bth_20100719.mp3
Doesn't look like there's a transcript for this show, though.
The pictures of this stuff look disgusting. Like beef bacon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.82.180.155 ( talk) 23:51, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
http://www.mrpme.com.au/wine-fed-wagyu — Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.1.215.172 ( talk) 10:11, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved to Wagyu. Favonian ( talk) 10:43, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
Wagyū → Wagyu – Wagyu is a common name per WP:COMMONNAME because Wagyu outnumbers Wagyū by Google book search hits.
I see that 和牛 is translated as meaning "Japanese cow" literally. I'm not particularly knowledgeable about Japanese, but I know that 牛 can mean "cow". However, I don't see how 和 could mean "Japanese", I assume a better translation for 和牛 would be "peaceful cattle" or something like that. Please advise. Flavio Costa ( talk) 17:19, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
A question, Why tsuru is also crane in japanese, Does the same word has two meanings? i don't even know where to ask. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2806:108E:22:4501:9843:B0F:E010:666A ( talk) 19:51, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
I cannot find any reference to the below cited in the provided Citations, in particular the reason for cross-bredding, the "too white" comment does not exist within the citation, and the marbling/red meat comment. Without further citations pertinent to the statements, the three sentences should be removed.
"In the United States, Japanese Wagyu cattle were bred with Angus cattle to create a crossbred animal that would be more able to survive the U.S. climate and ranching methods. The meat of this crossbreed was more marketable to the typical American buyer, for whom the meat of the wagyu cow is "too white".[5] The meat of the crossbreed provides the balance of marbling and red meat desired by them." 74.66.252.238 ( talk) 15:11, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
The current introductory section includes the statement that wagyu "...cattle [are] genetically predisposed to intense marbling and to producing a high percentage of oleaginous unsaturated fat." There is no citation, and I believe that this refers to some, but not all, breeds of wagyu. See http://www.maff.go.jp/j/shokusan/export/e_info/syoku_niku/pdf/4_en_beef.pdf . It appears that this is true for the dominant breed - Japanese Black - but not some some others, such as Japanese shorthorn.-- Larry ( talk) 01:50, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
[3] There is a story that some Korean breeds like the dark stripped chilkso (칡소) contributed the breed for the contemporary Japanese wagyu. Komitsuki ( talk) 10:54, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
The
FAO (the
UN Food and Agriculture Organization) lists Wagyu as an extinct Japanese native cattle breed (see FAO,
Japanese cattle breeds), citing the Japanese Ministry of Agriculture Forestry and Fisheries as reference.
Is it possible that the cattle breed that this article is talking about is simply the crossbred Japanese Black, called by the name of the extinct Wagyu for merchandising reasons?
Roberta jr. (
talk)
21:05, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
I reverted the edited to the section on the United States. First, claims like this need citations. The edit summary made a reference to the American Wagyu, but I didn't see anything in an admittedly quick glance at that site. If there's a specific reference, this needs to be added as part of the claim itself, not just in the summary. Second, I might have tried to clean up the language, but it makes my head hurt just looking at it; without the original article, I can't even begin to figure out what should be said. Third, the text makes it look as it it's been copied verbatim from some table or something; if so, this would be a copyright violation, and would have to be removed immediately.-- Larry ( talk) 17:41, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
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The current link to back the claim is a secondary source as best. The Dr in Question ( Dr. Crowe) only released a paper about "A combination of omega-3 fatty acids, folic acid and B-group vitamins is superior at lowering homocysteine than omega-3 alone: A meta-analysis" not about Wagyu specifically. This seems very misleading at best or purposefully wrong at worst as the linked website seems extremely biased towards the topic hence trying to portray it in the best possible light. I believe due to those reasons that part should be taken out and the source removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.138.46.188 ( talk) 22:01, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
shouldn't it say that somewhere at the top?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:645:100:1d20:4193:c3cd:8326:54a1 ( talk • contribs)
Wagyu means "Japanese cattle" and is not the name of a breed of cattle. Native Japanese speakers do not distinguish between "Japanese cattle" and "cattle in Japan." The article "Cattle in Japan" does not exist in the Japanese Wikipedia. If you claim that such a distinction exists in Japan, please provide the source.-- 薔薇騎士団 ( talk) 11:01, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
makanan dan minuman yang diberi pada lembu 2405:3800:91B:4EDD:0:0:0:1 ( talk) 16:24, 8 May 2024 (UTC)