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The map for this country has recently been changed to a format which is not standard for Wikipedia. Each and every other country identifies that country alone on a contintental or global map; none of them highlight other members of relevant regional blocs or other states which which that country has political or constitutional links. The EU is no different in this respect unless and until it becomes a formal state and replaces all other states which are presently members; the progress and constitutional status of the EU can be properly debated and identified on the page for that organisation; to include other members of the EU on the infobox map for this country is both non-standard and potentially POV.
Please support me in maitaining Sweden's proper map (in Wikipedia standard) until we here have debated and agreed this issue? Who is for changing the map and who against? The onus is on those who would seek to digress from Wiki standard to show why a non-standard and potentially POV map should be used. Sweden deserves no less! JamesAVD 15:30, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
This user has decided to remove references to the EU from the page of every member state. See his talk page for more details. yandman 15:32, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
The users above are misrepresnting my actions. Certain non-standard items have been included in the infoboxes of the pages of some European states. I have removed the undiscussed and unsupported changes and started a discussion here on the best way forward. I have in no way 'removed references to the EU'! The EU is an important part of the activities of the governmenance of many European states, to the benefit of all. That does not mean that an encyclopedia should go around presenting potentially POV information of the constitutional status of the EU in the infoboxes of states which are supposed to be standardised across Wikipedia. I'm interested in what users here feel? Please feel free to comment at any of the various pages Yandman might suggest. JamesAVD 15:53, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, — MJCdetroit 20:27, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
I am currently in the first year of secondary school and i have not seen any Norwegian so far. Is this info wrong? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.238.233.27 ( talk • contribs)
"The school in its teaching of Swedish should aim to ensure that pupils:(...)develop their ability to understand spoken and written Norwegian and Danish, and become familiar with the literature, languages and language situation in the whole of the Nordic area, including minority languages in Sweden" 90.228.227.16 16:45, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
There's no Norwegian taught in school but if you read Svenska B in the gymnasium there is a (simple) text in either Danish or Norwegian every year.
The intro text currently reads:
I have two problems with this:
KarlXII 12:45, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
its probably talking about the strong middle class instead of people being really rich or really poor. also sweden has a good welfare, education, and healthcare system. also used to promote womens and minority rights. i dont know if that will continue though with the right wing in power.
Actually Finland was the first country to detect the radiation but Finland did not publish it until there had been an radiation alarm and shutdown of a nuclear plant in Sweden. -- 128.214.182.110 11:32, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
The article included a sentence claiming that the state and labor union controlled pension funds controlled 50% of all "capital" in Sweden. It has been removed. The reasons are:
KarlXII 12:49, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
You might be looking for the term public or listed equity? A —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.241.116.2 ( talk) 08:45, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Sources are not cited for this statement, which I think is highly improbable. Even though, for it's population size, Sweden has produced a large number of internationally successful artists (pop or otherwise), it does not PRODUCE more music than countries of much higher populations such as Germany, France, Japan, Canada, Australia, Spain, Italy or even India for that matter! It can be argued, however, that per capita, Sweden has exported more artists that have gained worldwide fame in the pop music realm than per se, Russia, Ukraine, Hungary or Portugal, all of which have larger populations, which is an extraordinary achievement. It has also been far more successful than any of the other Scandinavian countries in this manner. However, relatively few classical music composers from Sweden are known on an international level, and Sweden has never had a Grieg, Sibelius, or Carl Nielsen. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.110.222.207 ( talk • contribs) 10:06, 8 December 2006.
The Swedish language section could do with some work IMHO. It's evidently not an official language because of a voting error or pairing off problem (according to Swedish language#Official status. I don't know much about the Swedish parliamentry system but I'm a bit confused how someone could make a mistake in voting (don't you just vote yes or no?) and I don't know what a pairing off problem is so perhaps a wikilink or further clarification. A reference might do but the current one provided in Swedish language but not here is in Swedish so it doesn't help non Swedish speakers much. Also, the figures is confusing. Here is says 147 to 145. To me, this would imply 147 for to 145 against since to me anyway it's defacto that you usually specify for to against not against to for. If you are going to say 147 against to 145 for, you should at least specify that it's 147 against. I assume it's 147 against because if it's 147 for why did it fail? Also this implies there were at least two people who made a voting error/pairing off problem since I guess if it were 146-146 it would have failed Nil Einne 12:23, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
Sweet zombie jesus, am I watching a revert war unfold here? Over something as trivial as WHAT MAP IS TO BE USED? Without any of the participant even raising the question on the talk page? STOP IT, ALL OF YOU, NOW.
So. What situation have we got? A lot of maps have been used; namely those on your right side.
I hope we can get this sorted out without further reverting. The original is in place at the time of writing, don't change that. Jobjörn ( Talk ° contribs) 21:57, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
I've put the article up for GA reviewing. / Fred- Chess 16:13, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Here are the results of the GA Review:
As much as I have contributed to this article (I am the main contributor [5]), I do not believe it adheres to the GA criterias. I think it became listed at some time because it contains a lot of interesting information and nice images, but it probably doesn't conform with the current GA requirements. Everyone is adding his/hers bits and the article is a mosaic of generally unsourced information, trivias and list-like sections. / Fred- Chess 16:07, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
This article says that Sweden allows same sex marriage since 2006. This would be very good if it was true, but it isn't. Allowing same sex marriage has been discussed and proposed, but when it will be legally allowed is very unsure. I suggest that this is changed in the article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.235.179.178 ( talk • contribs) 14:25, 24 January 2007.
Changes in the wording of the section were made for the following reasons:
EnglishEfternamn and Valentian,
Regards Osli73 09:15, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
now that it has brought in a right wing prime minister after a strong and long history of social democracy. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.139.204.43 ( talk) 02:01, 4 February 2007 (UTC).
To be precise, however Aftonbladet frames it--and for Americans, Aftonbladet is a right wing rag something like Fox News--the Social Democrats, on the heels of Palme's assassination and pressured by the exit of Swedish capital investing abroad in Europe, laid some of the foundation for the 1990s crisis by following Chicago School pro-capitalist policy. But once he came to power in the early 1990s, liberal-right politician Carl Bildt refused to restore controls on the currency, and the unfettered currency speculation is what temporarily trashed the Swedish economy. That's why Swedish capital let the SAP run things for a while again. Anyone who's read Naomi Klein's "The Shock Doctrine" is familiar with the neoliberal shock strategy.
I have a question about Sweden's compliance with the EU Bolkestein Service Directive. I know the SAP (along with France's Socialist Party) had opposed the Service Directive and that the Service Directive passed almost immediately after the Alliance came to power in 2006. (1) Did the switch over to bourgeois rule in Sweden facilitate the passage of the Bolkestein Directive in the EU? (2) Which of the following parts of the standard neoliberal package are there plans for implementation to conform with the Bolkestein Directive by 2009?: policies of stimulating labor immigration, removing labor protections (decreasing the union confederations' powers), decreasing welfare/welfare availability, and/or public subsidization of secondary sector firms and a tertiary labor market? I've seen proposals for some of these, and the EU court has been striking down the LO's ability to collect sector-bargaining fees from imported labor. (3) Do all Alliance parties, and the SAP support the neoliberal policy package, in order to conform with Bolkestein, or do some just support parts of it? Blanche Poubelle 16:32, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
Sweden is richer now then ever :S and the welfare is also better? The right wings are simply better at taking care of a country. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaggajaggajagga ( talk • contribs) 08:35, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
In light of the recent waves of vandalism, I think it possible that the protection of this page from unregistered users is not a bad idea. If an administrator is reading this, I request that intervention be taken.-- EnglishEfternamn talk contribs 00:13, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Well i reverted the page from two words which im not sure what they mean i believe they were: "Tjena, grabben"
FYI: "Tjena, grabben" is Swedish for "Hi, dude!"... 83.250.203.52 09:55, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
There is a statement towards the end that states that there has been "renewed" practices of religion in Sweden. I'm not so sure this statement is appropriate, because every authoritative source on the subject seems to imply quite the opposite. Until a specific citation is provided on the subject, I'm not so sure the statement belongs in this article, because what is seemingly going on is so highly contradictory to it.-- EnglishEfternamn talk contribs 16:33, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi, just for anyone's comment, I've tried to source up the article based on some books I have. A lot of it is from the same books, but I guess that's the nature of the topic. I tried to include some of the text in the citations, just for verification, but also as a basis if others want to incorporate that additional material, as one person did nicely [9]. I was pretty happy with finding direct sources for what was already in the article, but the material in the article might be modified a little as well where it differs slightly. Maybe after a little while we would be able to remove the quotes from the sources, then, to the extent they're not necessary. Best, Mackan79 22:45, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi. I know you all want to have the "best" map on this article. But please do not revert war over this. It is not a big deal, it's only that the article will appear unstable if the map is changed all the time. Thank you. / Fred- Chess 00:42, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
The following is a reply to a question [10] about sources on History of Sweden added to my Talk page.
I though the information was common knowledge and therefore didn't think any 'source' was needed. A couple easily accessible and widely accepted references which could be used are:
I'd be glad to cooperate in improving the article on Sweden. I've made som attempts in the past with the Economy section (since I'm an economist) but nothing sustained. I've added this reply also on the Sweden Talk page. Cheers Osli73 08:18, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
After mentioning WWII, and then the 1960s, there follows the sentance "By the 1930s, the living standard in Sweden was ranked as one of Europe's highest and its ranking at or near the top was maintained well into the mid-20th century.", before then mentioning joining the EU in 1995, and then continuing on about the Cold War, the 1970s, etc. These snippets might want to be moved. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.158.75.199 ( talk) 11:45, 28 February 2007 (UTC).
One of swedens current biggest exports is heavy metal music. "Swedish death metal" is now a genre and has become a huge success in America as well as europe. Bands like the haunted are very big and I think it should be mentioned in the music section.
Is it really necessary to mention Basshunter as he is a rather non famous (internationally) artist?
I believe some info of heavy metal have recently been added. Also I agree with you about listing Basshunter, to be honest I find it embarassing. Adwicko 22:43, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
He is a onehit wonder who should be removed. No one cares about him anymore.
As a Swede and anthropologist, I have some general remarks to make to this article.
Sweden is not generally liberal, it is traditionally a collectivistic and corporativistic country, in the public sphere. More so than any other Western country. Even if there have been many rapid changes the last 15 years.
Sweden is also not generally speaking modern. To the contrary, explanations regarding Swedish society generally focus on pre-modern cultural paradigms, such as the organisation of rural villages in Sweden before the 1840:ies. Swedish mentality is in fact often described as rural and backward.
This creates some confusion, since according to other aspects of modernity and liberalism, Sweden does perhaps may register high. In fact, Japan has some resemblance with Sweden in this respect.
There is a need to tread carefully with nebuolous concepts such as "modernity". A country may be very modern in some aspects and not at all in others.
I also urge some care with statistics. In this article a unproportionate amount of initial text is spent suggesting that Sweden is environmentally progressive. I suggest that global statistics concerning polution per capita are consulted, in which, from memory, Sweden compares less favorably to other countries.
Living standards is also debatable. Sweden started to drop in GNP/capita in the middle of the 1970:s and ended up below average. I am not sure to what extent Sweden now has regained its position. GNP is not the same as living standards, but I am also not sure that Swedish living standards are generall high? Based on which criteria? Which sources?
In my view, there are far too many layers of political propaganda and misconceptions concerning Sweden, to allow for latitude in repeating established stereotypes of Sweden. There must be extremely high demands when using and interpreting different source concering Swedish politics, culture, history and economy.
If not, you may end up reproducing too much of one the two traditional extremes in the description of Swedish society: "Marquis Childs, Swden the middle way, 1936" and "Roland Huntford, "The New Totalitarians, 1971".
For those acquainted with anthropology, conceptions of Sweden have much in common with the "Mead" - "Freeman" controversy.
81.225.116.186 21:15, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
>> The citizens enjoy a high standard of living and the country is generally perceived as modern and liberal.>>
Even if true, why relate "perceptions"? That something is percieved to be in a certain way does not necessarily mean that it also is that way.
>> Nature conservation, environmental protection and energy efficiency are generally prioritized in policy making and embraced by the general public in Sweden. >>
What are the source for this? As a Swede I know that the political propaganda depicting Sweden as environmentally conscious is pervasive. But ciritics say that Sweden has a high degree of pollution per capita, and surveys to this effect are intermittently referenced - but never discussed - in media.
In fact, having a heavy mechanical industry, large living space in homes and long transportation routes, a degree of pollution equivalent to countries such as Canada, US, etc would be to expect.
I once compared EU statistics on some environmental indicators, and Britain, for one, was much less polluting than Sweden, although one tends to end up with a bunch of indicators that are more or less easy to summarize and or weigh.
The author of this article also seems to put a tremendous weight on environmental issues. I think that there is a disproportionate amount space dedicated to Swedish environmental policies. Why not put these under a separate heading?
>>The country has for many years pursued a strategy of indirect taxation as an instrument of environmental policy, including energy taxes in general and carbon dioxide taxes in particular.[3] >>
Maybe so, but why put that in an intro?
>> In an effort to phase out the dependency on nuclear power and fossil fuels, the Swedish government has launched a multi-billion dollar program to promote renewable energy and energy efficiency.[3][4] >>
Why do we want to know this in an intro? 81.225.116.186 06:32, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
>> Economic liberalization as well as universal schooling contributed to the rapid industrialization, and by the 1890s the country had begun to develop an advanced manufacturing industry. >>
In terms of industrialisation, Sweden was a rural country until 1930. (That is the year when the proportion of industrial workers exceeded that of the rural population).
I am also not so sure about liberalisation in absolute terms. What is meant by this? Examples of laws, regulations, etc, that define economic "liberalisation"? Nonetheless, the emergence of the Swedish model probably spelled a reversal in terms of liberalisation of the economy. State intervention and regulation increased in several respects, beginning in the 1930:ies.
How many people know that Sweden, Rumania and Italy had the lost percentage of sufferage in Europe in the beginning of the 1900:ies? How many know that Sweden had the second largest turn of the century emigration per capita to the US after Irland?
According to recieved history this was because Sweden was both economically and politically backward.
The cited text may give an incorrect impression of Swedish society in the 1800:ies compared to other European countries. Also compare with the modernisation chapter, which is rather clear about Swedish belatedness. 81.225.116.186 06:45, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
>> Sweden emerged as a welfare state; consequently, it usually ranks among the top countries in the UN Human Development Index or HDI. >>
Milton Friedman has sometimes been quoted as saying that Swedes in USA are equally well off as Swedes in Sweden (as measured by such indices). This suggests that the "welfare state" is not the only possible cause. It could simply be a question of lutheran work ethics.
Nonetheless, the current political discussion in Sweden concerns the issue that according to statistics, in reality, 20% of the population (or is it the labour force) do not go to work.
This is mainly due to high rates of sickness, with unusually high degrees of mental issues ("burn-out") but also physical strain on orderlies and nurses in the health service. The reasons for this are debated but it seems that this rate started to climb in the mid 1990:ies. One possible cause could therefore be the effects of cut-bakcs in an attempt to restore the economy after the depression in the early 1990:ies.
Regarding these changes, I'm concerned the new material gets too far afield. For one thing there are a lot of typos that need to be fixed; I could do that, but I think the previous section was more concise and to the point, for an already long article. Could we maybe work with the previous section and add material as seems necessary? I think that would be better. Mackan79 18:29, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Quote from current text: "It has maritime borders with Germany, Poland, Russia, Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia...". The Baltic Sea is international waters, i.e. it does not constitute as a "maritime border", whatever the definition of a "maritime border" may be? Could not find it in the Wikipedia. Anything beyond 12 nautical miles from the coastline is considered international waters. -- Philaweb 23:03, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
I think the article needs something which mentions how politicians are elected. It is alluded to (parties need 4% of the vote), but no details are given.
Are things done on a national level with individuals voting for parties? Or is it done on a regional level or what? ~ AFA Imagine I swore. 14:34, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
No natural history? Flora and fauna? What's up with that? Shouldn't there be something about these things? Mike 15:39, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Not sure it matters too much, but Dictionary.com gives two hits for Kattegat [15] and one for Kattegatt, [16] if we want a tie breaker. Mackan79 17:01, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
The history section is much longer than the
main article. Maybe it should be exported and substituted with a summary? The main article could use some more content.
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07:59, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
According to Statistics Sweden ("Statistiska centralbyrån"), the median income of Swedes in 2005 was SEK 280 000 per annum. That's about 40.9 thousand dollars per year. The "poorest Americans" would be those living under poverty, and as of 2002, that number was 34 million. To get a general idea of what the U.S. Census Bureau defines as poverty, a single individual would have to be earning less than US$ 9,183 (±5%) per annum - in this case, over 9.3 million people fall under this category. -- Edward Sandstig 17:13, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
Im swedish! And im proud! XD
You're invited to discuss a new series of vector maps to replace those currently used in Country infoboxes: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Countries#New European vector maps. Thanks/ wangi 13:11, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
I recently received a gift bearing the Dala Horse image. Don't know much about art in Sweden, but seems like this kind of national symbol should be part of the article, perhaps an "arts" section under the topic of "culture"? LilianPhoebs 03:22, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
An entry on Sweden with no mention of IKEA? Jonaschau 07:43, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
Since when is Stockholm only a "de facto" capital? I've always assumed it's a "de jure" capital. JIP | Talk 20:21, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
I've been bold and cleaned up the Music section, removing a ton of band listings which in no way belongs in this article (which is supposed to be a general overview of Sweden). I suggest the content be moved to Music of Sweden instead. All per WP:SUMMARY style. henrik• talk 05:34, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Please see the deletion vote at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Norwegian Americans. Badagnani 03:02, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
On the Swedich page, Sweden is called Kongariket Sverige. This spelling looks more like Danish or Norwegian than Swedish. I would suggest "Kungariket Sverige". -- Bertil E 12:02, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
This was my first wikipedia edit, so please forgive me not noticing the undo button right off the bat =) I just removed the mongolia and gayism comments that another user had posted over the original content and set it back to its original state. ( 205.206.97.212 04:21, 2 September 2007 (UTC))
Please see the deletion review discussion here. Badagnani 17:18, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
It states that a number of countries considered membership unwise, it is apparent from the text that is is the European Union that's being discussed, however it is not mentioned untill later in the section. The paragraph reads like it was refering to a now removed paragraph or just had some words removed, I've not managed to track any such change in the page history and don't feel confident enough to try to rewrite it myself, so I brought it here. 193.11.246.220 01:03, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
In the lead, Sweden is called the 4th largest state in Europe, while below (in Geography) it is labeled the 5th. Can someone clear up? -- Smilo Don 19:03, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
should get more attention! the story of the sami people is not correct- about 2/3 of todays Sweden was stolen from the sami, that were forced to leave their homes, convert to critianity or die. the natural resurses, the trees and metalls stolen from Lapland were sold to the Nazi´s- and thats how sweden got the major of its national capital. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.253.156.154 ( talk) 13:04, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
Palestine was never a counrty either, but we still say its occupaid. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.253.150.45 ( talk) 16:11, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
"Palestine belonged to another country when it was occupied" occupaid from who? another occupation? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.253.150.45 ( talk) 08:23, 18 September 2007 (UTC) When Sweden occupaid Lapland there were no "internationally accepted borders" at that time, thats the reason your claims fail, the israelies have their roots in the areas that inernationally accepted as palestinian, while the sweds have no roots in Lapland, that might be the only differance. Lapland is a land! even if the sweds deny it. VAPAUS LAPLAND! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.253.150.45 ( talk) 08:19, 18 September 2007 (UTC) Are you a sapmi or something? I mean, the sapmi never owned the land, they just lived in small moving villages, and we(at least me) swedes, claimed it. And the sapmi did nothing, beacuse they couldnt. So, what do you want? That we give the sapmi lapland? Yeah, right.
The numbers of murders and violent attacks on an ethnic backround are huge, thou Swedish police dosent classify as racial murders. the number of unemployed witheen the minoritis is the highest in the world. people that dont look like the sweeds or have a forien name cant get a job, cant find a flat, get discriminated by health services and more. about 90% of black people in sweden are unemployed! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.253.156.154 ( talk) 13:15, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
In the same way that there is a gender power structure in Sweden, there is an ethnic power structure. There is an ethnic hierarchy with native-born Swedes at the top and non-Europeans at the bottom. This structure is expressed in various ways. Placing “demands on immigrants” led to positive election results in 2002 for an established party. At the local level, anti-immigrant parties achieved their best results. In the labour market it can be seen in the denial of ethnic discrimination as a key issue as well as the treatment of immigrants as a labour reserve. Structural discrimination has become increasingly apparent as a factor in working life, school, politics, the media, the legal system, housing and welfare services...(european network against racism) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.253.156.154 ( talk) 16:31, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
Discrimination and inequality, whether due to ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, religion, disability etc. exists in Sweden, but is an issue of regular national sensitisation campaigns and strenuous legislation, so much that Sweden is one of few counties in Europe without a major xenophobic quasi nazi political party, which is amazing considering that Sweden accepts more refugees per capita than any other developed country. -- Ezeu 01:22, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
racism is not only hate agains minoritis, its descrimination as well. in sweden youll find the highest rate of unemployment of second and third generation immigrants in europe! we should fight racism! toure more than wellcome to read the rapports on swedish racism of the european network against racism: http://www.enar-eu.org/en/publication/national_leaflets/Sweden_EN.pdf or you can get some statistics about racism in Sweden from: http://www.sverigemotrasism.nu/templates/svStartPage____2289.asp i can give you lots of verifiable material and oyu can easyly get it yourself from EU rapports! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.253.157.176 ( talk) 12:03, 15 September 2007 (UTC) RACISM IN SWEDEN IS A CULTURE, BASED MOSTLY WITH OBSSATION TO COULORS AND LOOKS, FOR EXAMPLE IN SWEDISH MOVEIS, PEOPLE OF OTHER ATHNIC BACKROUND THAN SWEDISH ARE ALMOST NEVER JUST NORMAL PEOPLE! the rapports are dealing with that issue as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.253.157.176 ( talk) 12:15, 15 September 2007 (UTC) THE FIRST INTITUTE FOR RACE BIOLOGY WAS OPENED IN SWEDEN 1922! SWEDISH UNIVERSITIES ARE STILL INVESTING MONEY TO PROVE THAT CHARLS DARWIN THEORIES ARE WRONG! http://www.thelocal.se/7015/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.253.157.176 ( talk) 12:31, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
ADUCATION: A European Union report makes particularly negative mention of Sweden. 40% of the first generation of Muslim immigrants in Sweden did not reach the basic level in the comparative examinations (PISA), compared with just a few percent among the white population. For more details read the OECD report: Where Immigrant Students Succeed - A Comparative Review of Performance and Engagement in PISA 2003 http://www.pisa.oecd.org/document/44/0,3343,en_32252351_32236173_36599916_1_1_1_1,00.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.253.153.176 ( talk) 11:51, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
More about aducation: The swedish school system fails to avoid discrimination- unlike school systems in many other countries,in swedish system the teacher himself (who knows the pupils personaly) corects even the national tests and decides which finall grade the pupil gets, in other countries the national test are corectet by a third teacher who doesnt know the pupil, and gets no information like the name or sex of pupil that might cause discrimination. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.253.153.176 ( talk) 18:37, 16 September 2007 (UTC) UN Rodolfo Reyes Rodriguez, Cuba's delegate to the Human Rights Council, is quoted as having said that "Cuba, unlike Sweden, does not persecute migrants or carry out ethnic cleansing that only allows those whose skin and hair color fit with the racial patterns of former Viking conquerors to remain in the country." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.253.150.45 ( talk) 08:05, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
40% of the swedish immigrants failed in a test which was took place in different countries! A Comparative Review of Performance and Engagement its called —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.253.150.45 ( talk) 17:07, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Is Sweden's attitude to Sami rights consistent with international law? No, Sweden has been strongly criticised on a number of occasions by various UN bodies, such as the UN Race Discrimination Committee and the UN Human Rights Committee, as a result of Sweden failing to respect the Sami's human rights. The UN has been particularly critical of the fact that the Sami's rights to their land and water areas, as well as the natural resources, are not recognised. The Council of Europe and the OECD (Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development) have also criticised Sweden for its treatment of the Sami. Sweden has not yet done anything to rectify the faults and shortcomings pointed out by these various bodies, but always refers them to various inquiries. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.253.150.45 ( talk) 17:10, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
As a Swedish citizen with a rather good knowledge about the conditions in Sweden I would recommend a completly new page about Sweden. The present page is very much a propaganda page as it would be written by the Swedish regime. It mentions a lot of good things but do not tell much about the negative sides as the extremly high taxation, the lack of religious freedom compared to for example USA, the very high criminality rates, the increasing mental illnes manifested in a very high suicide rate and very high use of legal drugs and so on. The same about the "great Sweden" part, that is true, but not ses the history from a strictly Sweedish focus. For tourist there should also be mentioned about the problems for not caucasian people to visit restaurants, clubs and so on there they often are stopped already at the entrance. In my opinion this page is mostly missleading and should be rewritten by somebody independent of the Swedish propaganda. Anyhow, this page as it is now is very hard to imagin to be about Sweden. October 18, 2007 VF —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.217.193.42 ( talk) 08:37, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
complete bullshit sir, I strongly doubt that you have ever visited Sweden, and you're no swedish citizen, tht's for sure.
I have lived in Sweden for 5 years and although I love the country, this is the most biased and factually incorrect article I have read on wiki. For example, Sweden has one of the highest crime rates in Western Europe. Per capita, it is higher than England. For example, the Swedish economy is dominated by a small number of industrialist families (viz. France) who conceal their political influence and wealth in a complex network of holdings and trusts. For example, although the gender and race academic platform is vocal, Malmo, Lund, Stockholm and Goteborg hold urban ghettoes excluded from the political process and the economic benefit of a welfare state.
Please consider invalidating this article in favor a strictly fact based and unbiased history and description. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.234.211.45 ( talk) 17:31, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
The highest crime rates in Western Europe you say? It seems you had some rough 5 years in Sweden. According to a report the EU published in 2005 comparing all EU nations, Sweden ranked in the middle. I quote from pg 97 ““Crime in Sweden shows a curvilinear trend since 1990. Crime peaked around 2000 and is now at a level similar to that of fifteen years ago. In the EU context of crime in Sweden is medium high.” Here is the link. It might be helpful: http://www.europeansafetyobservatory.eu/downloads/EUICS_The%20Burden%20of%20Crime%20in%20the%20EU.pdf VsanoJ 18:56, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
This article is in need of some trimming and rewriting, it seems that for a long time stuff has been added to it by many individual editors with little consideration for size and prose. At over 120kb, it is a very lengthy read and there is probably much stuff that should be moved to daughter articles. Anyone interested in a concerted cleanup effort?
Some areas I find problematic (by no means an exhaustive list):
In general, the text is heavy on lists and short on prose. There are also a fairly large number of {{ fact}} tags, with good reason, as the article has few inline references for its size. What good reference works are out there?
Let's try to restore this to the Good Article it once was! henrik• talk 21:24, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
As a minor issue, the .jpg version of the greater coat of arms have replaced the .svg version. However, there is a cleaned-up and digitally retouched version of it, Please find it and use it instead, if there is no intention of using the .svg version. Optakeover 14:52, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
The article did not mention one of Sweden's greatest artist, opera singer Birgit Nilsson.
69.84.98.147 02:53, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
It is amazing how misinformation is allowed pass on this subject. I took out the part claiming that Sweden "secretly helped the Allied powers" because up until 1943 or even 1944, Sweden heavily collaborated with the Germans. In fact, they "secretly" helped the Germans, if anyone. They (Sweden) violated or found loopholes in several treaties they had with the United Kingdom in order to aid the Nazis. Swedish volunteers to the SS were also one of first to invade the Soviet Union in Operation Barbarossa. TheGoodSon —Preceding comment was added at 16:11, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
In a large article such as this one, some of the reasons for this overlook may include inadequate or non existent use of the edit summary facility - unless you compare diffs, it can be very difficult to see the actual significant changes when an article receives many edits over a short period.
You've done the right thing by drawing attention to your (controversial?) edit here, but it might have been better to suggest the change here first. I will hope that we can rely on traditional Swedish phlegm to avoid an edit war... Alice.S 18:59, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
So am I. However, this is not a general forum to discuss politics and ideologies - this is meant to be a place to talk about improvements to the article, and the discussion is straying a bit too far from that now. henrik• talk 11:17, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
There is a tendency in Sweden to bash your own country for some reason, otherwise you may be seen as a racist or nazi. It's true that Sweden helped Nazi Germany somewhat during WW2, but then again it's important to think of Swedens difficult position during the WW2, therefor i wan't to protect Swedens reputation a bit. There was several European nations neutral during the war, for example Spain and Switzerland, they don't get the same amount of douche thrown at them for this as Sweden. Sweden's iron ore has always been an important asset for Sweden, and really important for the income. Selling of iron ore during WW2 to germany helped us keeping safe from Germany, and if they had not been trading iron ore with Germany they might have been attacked, and then Britain would for sure bomb Sweden's mines as they allready was considering, and that asset would be gone for Sweden. Germany was a seemable invincible, and Sweden would not have a chance if attacking, Germany had around 7 million soldiers. Sweden also, faced another threat to the east, an old enemy was fighting their neighbours in the east, Russia. Sweden helped Finland by letting German troops pass through Sweden too Finland. Letting German troops pass through Sweden is something Sweden often has been criticized for, but as a matter of fact they were only protecting their own skin and their neighbours. 10 000 Swedish voluntary soldiers helped Finland and it was very close that Sweden entered the war, that Sweden would have provided with troops as someone above claimed is however false. After the war, Sweden was one of the countries providing with most humanitary help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.225.105.40 ( talk) 14:44, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
A couple of comments on the above discussion:
Cheers Osli73 ( talk) 15:40, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Did you know that Sweden has gotten an official online community? It launched on nov 1st and it's one of the first official online communities in the world that markets a whole country. It's very big news and something Sweden can be very proud of. Check it out here: http://communityofsweden.com
I've added it to the links section but it was removed. Wikipedia is a user generated encyclopedia and CommunityOfSweden.com is a user generated community about Sweden. Of course the link should be there. Also I expect a whole article about CommunityOfSweden.com soon. Although I shouldn't write it.
Why not? Because I specialize in online communities and web trends and I'm currently employed at VisitSweden, who runs CommunityOfSweden.com. I'm of course partial but I hope you all see the added value of pointing the wikipedia visitors to the official online community for the whole country where they'll be inspired and where they can share their own content about Sweden.
Thank you. Tommysollen ( talk) 13:42, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
I don't quite agree. Sure the tourist and foreign information is well covered with official existing links. But here's a chance to show the wikipedia users a user generated community. I think that's completely different and it should be a link. I can only look at myself and what I would appreciate when searching about information for... UK for example. First I might check some official marketing info but my next step would without a doubt be to try and see what other people think. Tommysollen ( talk) 15:06, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Tommysollen ( talk) 22:41, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Actually VisitSweden is owned 50% by the goverment so yes, it's very official. But I've said what I wanted to. Now I'll just hope one of our great community members will write it here in the future and that you won't delete it. :) Tommysollen ( talk) 22:24, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Someone has recently added this sentence:
Sweden is the biggest donation-country, most of the money goes to China and Tanzania. Circa 7 kronor (0.50 punds) per week and Capita.
It seems to be a good faith addition, so I didn't want to just cut it, but it should be worded a bit differently and sourced. I'm assuming that by 'biggest donation-country', it means per capita. AlexiusHoratius ( talk) 23:20, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
Nope your suggestion worked, an I consider myself a pro now when it comes to collasping citation markings... THX-- Sparkygravity ( talk) 18:50, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
I've been asked why I am replacing a referenced section on Prehistory with an almost entirely new one without references. That's a merited question. Two reasons:
My next step, given an OK from Wikipedians, will be to take on the separate Swedish Prehistory article. Martin Rundkvist ( talk) 10:17, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
Which one is correct, or are they both wrong? Check them up and correct?
Quote from Finland: "The largest minority language is Swedish, which is the second official language in Finland, spoken by 5.5 percent of the population."
Quote from Sweden: "Swedish, the first language for about 7 percent of the population of Finland..."
Xertoz ( talk) 11:55, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
Prominent American Journalist P.J. O'Rourke, wrote about the swedish governmental system in his book Eat The Rich. He noted that if Sweden had continued with it's economic growth that started in the 1960's and considerably lessened after the introduction of socialism, it would have a GDP 3 times that of the USA.
62.24.176.39 just added this to the article and I quickly reverted it. On a second thought I'm not sure if the article maybe should contain this information somehow. To me it is very obviously POV, but if a lot of readers actually believes that (1) Socialism was introduced in Sweden after the 1960s, that (2) any country has continued its economic growth since then, and that (3) Sweden with a GDP 3 times the USA makes any sense, maybe there should be a discussion about it? What do you think?
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Mats Halldin (
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19:06, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
The article says that "The area around Malmö (across from Copenhagen) has the most mutual intelligibility (being a border region)"... concerning Scandinavian languages. This statements means that the inhabitants in Malmö is very good at understanding the Danish variety spoken in Copenhagen. It also means that Copenhagen citizens would be very skilled in understanding the Malmö variety. I fully agree with the former since it is quite natural for Malmö citizens to visit the nearby metropole Copenhagen. I however question the latter statement. I have read somewhere that for Copenhagen citizens it is easier to understand the variety spoken in Stockholm than Scanian (Malmö) dialects. Nirro ( talk) 01:17, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
Can someone help add the Swedish name at cardamom bread? Badagnani ( talk) 05:42, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
There are several prominent writers missing from the Swedish literature section, this should really be updated (and more should be written about them) to include:
Nobel Laureates (in chronological order):
(Selma Lagerlöf, already in the article)
Others, equally important (and internationally recognized)(in alphabetical order):
85.228.16.227 (
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16:17, 4 February 2008 (UTC) emily maria
I started a discussion about this list at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy). Additional input would be valuable. Olaus ( talk) 08:52, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
I believe The Swedish ranking for the Environmental performance index should be changed, since as of January 23, 2008, Sweden ranks as #3. The article currently states (which is correct but not up to date) that Sweden was ranked #2 in the 2006 version of the same index.
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Thehumuslayer (
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12:27, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
I'd like to request an injection of information regarding the Temperance movement in Sweden from the mid 1800's (and onwards) and its affect on Swedish society. Fred26 ( talk) 13:55, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
"Before the eleventh century, Swedes adhered to Norse paganism, worshiping Æsir gods, with its centre at the Temple in Uppsala. With Christianization in the 11th century, the laws of the country were changed, forbidding worship of other"
After that, it says somethign about the nineteenth century. It shall be eighteenth century. -- 212.247.27.50 ( talk) 16:42, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Template:Germanic-speaking regions of Europe has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. — Janneman ( talk) 16:24, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Hey anyone who can read Swedish out there? Or do you know how to find someone? The article Nils Peter Hamberg needs someone to translate the information provided at this link [20] It would help a lot! Tack! ;-) Nesnad ( talk) 17:06, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
The population section in the infobox refers to a cencus in 1995. According to my knowledge, Sweden has no census since all citizens are registered in databases all the time. The data from 2007 should therefore be a fact, not an estimate. Any comments? / I99jonma 10:51, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I never heard of a census either. Also, the link clearly states that the 2008 data is the definite (not estimated) figure for December 31, 2007. / Willi5willi5 ( talk) 04:23, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
This section states that Sweden's supposed reputation for gender equality is overstated but the choice of references here are clearly POV. One (#45) is a quote from the leader of the Swedish feminist party who obviously has a political agenda and cannot be taken as an impartial source. The other (#44) is a reference to a EU report that is actually rather positive on Swedish gender equality. The particular statistics quoted are chosen because they are the ones in which Sweden performs worst. Furthermore, the statement that "Sweden compares unfavourably with the EU average when it comes to providing full-time jobs for women" has no support in the said report. Although it does state that a higher fraction of employed women works part time, it doesn't follow that there are less full-time jobs for women, since a higher fraction of women are in the workforce to begin with. A quick multiplication gives that roughly 42 % of Swedish women are employed full time, compared to 38 % for EU-25.
Of course, it might still be true that any Swedish reputation for gender equality is unwarranted. It just doesn't follow from these sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Willi5willi5 ( talk • contribs) 04:09, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
The membership to the EU is yet not mentioned in the introduction. Lear 21
Wanted to know why isn't there any information about Sweden's Telecommunications industry in this article. I had posted referenced information on it but it got removed. The information was a brief overview of the history of the Telecommunication industry. Is it necessary to have a completely different article that deals with the Telecommunications industry?
Any thoughts?
I would very much like to see a little something about the Swedish Orders, especially since these aren't active anymore and is somewhat part of the history. If anyone feels up to it, I belive some info can be found at www.royalcourt.se I would write it myself, however I'm not much of a writer, and I find my english rather bad. And it would be nice with some info not noted on the royal court webby.
More important inventions that should definitly be added, first working pace maker, The Separator and the Milking Machine, the propeller, the blow torch, sphearical ball bearing, the adjustable spanner, zipper, absorption refrigirator and so on. Two good pages for this: http://www.sverigeturism.se/smorgasbord/smorgasbord/industry/inventions/ and http://www.sweden.se/templates/cs/FactSheet____15878.aspx —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaggajaggajagga ( talk • contribs) 08:34, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
I agree
Since ive added some now on the invention section you put this "This section needs additional citations for verification. Please help improve this article by adding reliable references. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed." there, well, everything is linked to other pages on wikipedia were the facts are confirmed, so what is really the problem? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaggsan ( talk • contribs) 18:05, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Drug policy of Sweden has been created after bitter disputes involving Sweden's drug policy, surrounding Nils Bejerot, going trough (see history and discussion) War on Drugs (there were one an section called "A different view on the War on Drugs - Nils Bejerot") to Drug policy (involving a request for deletion). One of the main figures involved is Dala11a lifting forth the great ideas of Nils Bejerot and the benefits they had on the drug policy of Sweden, proved by a report by UNODC. The antagonist is me and quite a few others (apparent in the above history and discussion parts of all above mentioned interwikied articles (except UNODC)). However I'm the only one having some kind of knowledge of Sweden and its whereabouts that have been evolved in this except dala11a himself. I hope someone else can find interest in this very interesting aspect of Swedish society. There are some useful external links in the references and external link on the new article page. Steinberger ( talk) 02:49, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
In the Cold War section, someone has stated without source: "Between 1970 and 1990 Sweden increased overall tax burden by over ten percentage points and the growth was very low compared to most other countries in Western Europe. Sweden steadily lost its position in rankings such as GDP per capita."
This looks very controverisal to me. "very low compared to most other countries in Western Europe" is obviously false. If the neo-liberal who wrote this returns with his source, it's probably something like timbro.se. The entire claim should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.183.217.178 ( talk) 06:52, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
I believe this should be added: Source 1, Source 2, Source 3, Google search yields more. I imagine their rating on Privacy International will soon fall sharply :P 69.177.201.95 ( talk) 07:54, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
Aren't there so many other aspects? I assume the lead section should cover only non-controversial things that are not subject to interpretation. What is "modern", is France or South Africa "not modern"? Which countries are not "liberal"? How about covering vikings, Swedish corporatism, climate, or feminism?
So did improved knowhow, economic environment, and many others. And most of the productivity growth was seen in agriculture! No references provided that this would somehow definite aspect of Swedish history. Also, natural resources primary are a tiny part of the economy today, it's engineering and services today!
No reference provided. There are so many things behind Sweden's industrialization (with free trade popping in economic history papers), this is very simplistic statement, which the economic literature does not make.
Sweden also has other resources such as timber. This makes a weird assumption that oil and coil deposits would be somehow important? How about gold, diamonds or bananas?
Should we move such controversial statements to politics, economy and culture sections, where more debate can be dedicated to them? Turkuun ( talk) 21:32, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
Swedish is not the official language, Sweden don't even have an official language. Though there is five official minority languages; finnish,Meänkieli - "finnish from the vally of Torneå", Yiddish, Sami language, Romany language and Swedish Sign Language.
I'm very bad at editing and do not wan't to screw my own countrys page on wikipedia so please help me! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.66.186.169 ( talk) 13:04, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
On the page about Norway, there is written that Norway became independent from union with Sweden. Shouldn't that be on the page about Sweden too? It was a personal union where both countries were equal... 85.166.7.56 ( talk) 17:55, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
"Rail transport is privatized and companies include SJ, Green Cargo, Tågkompaniet and a number of regional companies."
Rail Transport is not fully privatised. SJ is a government owned company and the "regional" companies vaguely referred to are also government enterprises. In Wikipedia's article on SJ, it is unambiguously and correctly described as "a Swedish government-owned passenger train operator" therefore rendering the claim in this article that "Rail transport is privatised" as irrelevant, incorrect and confusing to those wishing to learn about Transport in Sweden.
On my latest readings the articles on the Nordic countries are in great need of tightening up. Seemingly right-wing slanted falsehoods seem to be creeping into the articles. This is also of concern in the article on Finland and as for the Nordic Model article....well.....it should probably be deleted. ConXII 25 June 2008
The link you provide states that "45% of the rail market in Sweden is privatised" that therefore makes saying "Rail transport in Sweden is privatised" a falsification if more than half of the entire market is still owned by the government. It doesn't matter whether the rail market was "liberalised" into different companies under state ownership e.g. SJ, something cannot be described as "privatised" if it retains a majority of government ownership, because it is therefore nationalised, the opposite of privatisation. To describe the Swedish rail market as privatised and then list a state owned company which comprises it in the very same sentence is confusing and this is exactly what you have written.
"Rail transport market is privatized and companies include SJ.........." - In this sentence you have made it sound as if SJ is a private company which is untrue, since if the person reading clicks the SJ hyperlink, they will be taken to an article which states unambiguously that SJ is a government owned enterprise.
A much better thing to do would be to explain that the majority of passenger transport by rail in Sweden is operated by state owned companies such as SJ as well as the government run Lokal Trafik in place within each of Sweden's Län such as HallandsTrafik, Storstockholms Lokaltrafik, SkåneTrafik etc. etc. etc. and THEN to explain that some sectors of rail transport are privatised such as the transport of cargo. This would therefore align the content of the article with the reference you presented above, which states that the majority of rail transport in Sweden is still government owned (with 45% being privatised).
As far as "free to competition" goes, I can't see how this is broadly speaking the case in Sweden, whenever I am in the country it's not like I can choose to take a non SJ train from say Halmstad to Göteborg. In fact the only trains which stopped at Halmstad during the duration of my latest visit were all Öresunds Tåg (yet another transport company, this time jointly owned by the Swedish and Danish governments) and I was therefore unable to use the trains of other companies to travel by rail
Since judging by your other edits you are a right winger with a serious beef against anything government owned, you could then satisfy yourself by writing that state owned SJ isn't the most efficient of rail networks, something which a lot of Swedes themselves agree on as far as I have seen. In my own experience delays are common and travelling with SJ can be expensive. I'm sure reference material for this can be easily found.
ConXII 27 June 2008
There was an old discussion about this about 2 years ago: Talk:Sweden/Archive_1#Swedish_sterilization In the current article, it isn't mentioned at all. Not very chocking, since there isn't much interest among swedes (which I suppose is the main editors of the article - I'm a swede myself) to talk about it. Swedens sterilization laws should be covered in the main article. It's very important. There isn't much info available on Wikipedia right now - there is some at Compulsory_sterilization#Sweden Ran4 ( talk) 05:25, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
vdh vmhgk nk.jg —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.161.92.175 ( talk) 10:52, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
The note number 3 is directly taken from Yahoo answers and, especially in this particular case, doesn't seem like a "reputable source". At the very least, it's very inelegant. I'm removing it (if someone disagrees, just revert changes). -- Taraborn ( talk) 02:58, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
Is "For Sweden—Through the Times," in the infobox, some kind of official English version of the personal Royal motto "För Sverige i tiden"? If it's not, it's surely not the best translation we can do. I admit the Swedish original is pretty meaningless, but the version we have in the infobox is utterly meaningless. As I understand it, the original means (vaguely) something about the King being modern—up to date—moving with the times—something like that. Compare this site, which renders it "For Sweden with the times". Not good—the original kind of precludes having something actually good—but a lot better, surely. I'll change to that unless there are objections. Bishonen | talk 20:48, 8 September 2008 (UTC).
In 2008, the swedes created a foundation called "Save Tågan" which slogan is "In Tågan We Trust", to save Sebatian "Tågan" Tagerup, also known as the King Kong II. The guru of the swedes was attack by a terrible disease : the Ilovesweet Syndroma.
Somebody has made a joke there in the text.
Delete that part and the others that poster may have added. :)
Anon —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.114.146.152 ( talk) 10:10, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
"Sweden has a major market for new age and ecologically or environmentally aware music, as well a large portion of pop and rock music have liberal and left-wing political messages." Left-wing? Yes. Liberal? Absolutely not... The writer probably used the north-american definition of "liberal" (being roughly the same as "left"). And what about "environmentally aware music"? Any sources? I'll remove this section if no sources are found. Ran4 ( talk) 22:33, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
"Annual precipitation in most of the country is between 500 - 800 mm (15 - 23 inches)..." Isn't that something more like 20 - 30 inches? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.90.104.209 ( talk) 04:56, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
Regarding the edits from here to here: User:GraderCel, first of all, please don't yell at me, or anyone else, to stop making changes that were clearly in no way meant to be disruptive; it is a wiki, if you don't want what you write to be edited then don't write it. It's not as though I was having a revert war with you, I simply undid a change that you didn't explain, which I honestly thought was done accidentally. Since you've now commented your edits, I can reply.
You are probably right that I added too much information, considering it is a general article on Sweden, not one specifically on Sweden's climate. However, rather than simply going back to the original text, it seems to me it would have been useful to change the new text since by going back to the original you replaced well-referenced facts with unreferenced facts. So, I am going to continue changing it, trying to keep the content more like it is, but adding references and making other (in my opinion) improvements. I will make the changes individually, and comment them, so you and everyone else can see why I made them and change them if it seems appropriate. StephenHudson ( talk) 15:53, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
The infobox facts on independence are a bit confusing, Norway and Sweden was in a personal union from 1814 to 1905. Also there has been some previous personal unions (also including Denmark). Sweden's independence is set to be "-" while Norway's independence is set to be 1905. It would be more corret to either set Norway's independence to 1814 and "-", or both Sweden's and Norway's independence to 1905. A country is NOT dependent on another country in a personal union (which was the case for both Norway-Sweden and the Kalmar union); Norway was never dependent on Sweden, it tried to make itself a free state in 1814. Denmark-Norway, however, was a real union where Norway was part of Denmark from 1536 to 1814. Is a country independent in a personal union or not? As it is now, it looks like Sweden never was part of the Kalmar union and that it owned Norway - that's wrong! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.166.5.35 ( talk) 17:37, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
The opening paragraph states that "(Stockholm) is by far the largest and most populous city ... in Scandinavia". According to their respective Wikipedia pages, the urban area of Stockholm is about 8.5% more populous than that of Copenhagen, while the metro area population is even larger for Copenhagen than for Stockholm. The difference in size between these cities is hardly enough to motivate the "by far" phrase... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.69.33.54 ( talk) 17:29, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
There is some rather dubious editing going on at Swedish Empire - this edit [21] is verging on bizarre ("Wolves, not seen in settled areas since the Middle Ages, stalked the deserted streets of once-bustling villages."). Help correcting this would be welcome, as the author is taking my corrections of his original research/unencyclopaedic tone rather personally. The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick t 00:52, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
The opening section states that "Sweden is the most visited country in Northern Europe with 5,2 million visitors in 2007". The page for Northern Europe (linked to in the opening section) includes the UK as part of Northern Europe, and the source for this line is a page that sates the UK received 30 million visitors in 2007, far more than Sweden. I am going to change the sentence to "Sweden is the most visited country in Scandinavia with 5,2 million visitors in 2007" WhizzBang ( talk) 08:33, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
The military section has a rather significant typo, it says Ireland is a member of the Nordic Batle Group, it must be Iceland. I cant change it because its locked 137.222.215.9 ( talk) 19:24, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
No, Ireland is a member of the Nordic Battle Group, Iceland doesn't have an army. McGnome ( talk) 19:16, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
The cause of this error is probably the fact that most Scandinavians don't regard the British (and the Irish) islands as a part of Northern Europe. -- 94.255.146.181 ( talk) 00:18, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
suppsodly there was only one swede participating in operation barbarossa, Ingemar Somberg who served at first in SS Panzer Division Wiking. the article suggest that there were more swedes participating in operation barbarossa, to support this claim it should present a valid source. there were only about 200-300 swedish volunteers in the SS, and almost all of them joined after 1941. "Swedish volunteers in Nazi SS units were among the first to invade the Soviet Union in Operation Barbarossa" please change it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Conda ( talk • contribs) 23:15, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
The article claims Sweden was under "German influence" during WWII, which is not really true, although the country was to some extent cut off. The article then goes on and claims Sweden "collaborated with Hitler" which sounds weasel-worded to me. Then, the article talks about Swedish soldiers in the Wehrmacht, surely to paint the picture as dark as possible. I think it is all very biased, partly off topic, and should be re-written altogether. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bugfindersolas ( talk • contribs) 12:31, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
I actually would agree on that. Even though it's commonly known that the critisism that have been aimed towards Sweden, for example because of some of the things mentioned here in the article, are quite true, the text presented here seems a bit odd to me too. As said of course Sweden was partly influenced by Germany, but not to the extent that this article makes it seem to be. And some of the facts are also kind of irrelevant, for example the part about the Swedish citizens that joined the Waffen-SS. The number of people that did this was probably somewhere between 130-300, and if I remember right, travelled to Norway to do so and totally against the neutral policy of Sweden. Though this text makes it seem as though a vast number of eager Swedish men stormed into Soviet Russia all of a sudden, when, for example the number of Norwegians that did this was approx 10 000. And now I'm not trying to make it sound like Sweden played no part, though, I would also prefer a more balanced article that presented more relevant facts in a more correct way. It should definitely be rewritten, or, that is my opinion. -- Qszet ( talk) 00:30, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
Are we going to change the name of the war also? WW stands for World War. If you provide support to one side, it is to the detriment of the opposition. If Hitler received any support from Sweden at a time when it was providing no support to the Allies, it cannot be defined as neutrality.
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Just removed some obvious vandalizing of the "World Wars" section by 208.179.150.68. Please note that this is not the appropriate way to make an edit to a Wikipedia article, and banners should never be removed unless you can present a valid reason for doing so. I was in no way intending to make som kind of political statement or whatever you should call it by doing this, as some people probably would think. Or well, maybe not a political statement, though as this was aimed at radically change the view of the text in this article. That is not at all what (at least I am) trying to do. But I do think that the text in question was badly written and did not entirely present facts in a completely unbiased way. So I suggest that the NPOV-banner should remain in it's place until edits have been done, or the dispute solved in some other way. -- Qszet ( talk) 18:43, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I'm all not that happy with the term "ethnic Swedes". It feels a bit like saying "ethnic American", "ethnic Canadian" or "ethnic British". Neither do the sources use the term "ethnic Swede" but rather refer to persons born outside Sweden, with a parent born outside Sweden or who are not Swedish citizens. I would prefer to use these more precise and correct terms. Any comments before I change? Osli73 ( talk) 00:23, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
It might feel awkward to use such terms from a swede's point of view as this is quite taboo in Sweden, but I'm quite sure there is generally more tolerance to such things in the rest of the world. Though I am suspicious about the source of this information regarding ethnicity and numbers, as it is a diffuse subject. -- 94.255.146.181 ( talk) 00:06, 17 December 2008 (UTC) Emil R
Ethnic Swedes is useable and valid term. Is there any reason as to why Swedes - as opposed to every known human society/group in recent history - should not have an ethnicity? According to a number of studies on national cultures and cultural differences Swedes are more - not less - culturally differentiated than average groups are (see data from World Values Survey), so there is no reason on that basis not use the term. I would say that a figure of 80 % of the population being ethnically Swedish is fairly accurate, more accurate than 87 %, which is far too low today. It is diffcult however, since there is no official statistics on the matter. Koyos ( talk) 00:34, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
In the section about the modern political situation, I strongly disagree with the phrase "However, poor economic performance since the beginning of the 1970s, and especially the crisis at the beginning of the 1990s, have forced Sweden to reform its political system to become more like other European countries.". That is a politically biased statement that should be changed or removed. 83.226.118.49 ( talk) 20:14, 23 January 2009 (UTC) lauren mcdowall wiz here .!! 27/1/09
What influence does this comment at the end of foreign policy have? "American actress Jessica Alba came under scrutiny in early 2009 for telling a reporter to "be neutral about it. Be Sweden." It was alleged by Fox News anchor Bill O'Reilly as well as editorial gossip network, TMZ, that she meant to say Switzerland. Alba defended herself in a subsequent web blog by citing this Sweden Wikipedia entry."
Though an interesting tidbit, I believe should be under a separate heading. 65.188.211.70 ( talk) 17:51, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
Alcohol is heavily taxed in a mostly unsuccessful attempt to discourage alcoholism. This isn't really addressed in the article, though. Why not? -- 98.232.180.37 ( talk) 08:48, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
same sex marriage will be legal from 1 May 2009, repealing the registered partnership law [22]. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.148.207.230 ( talk) 06:37, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
This is a selection of the many politicized quotes: "After World War II a succession of governments increased the welfare state and the tax burden, and Sweden's GDP per capita ranking fell from the 4th to 14th place in a few decades.[80]" This sentence heavily implies a cause and effect which is not accepted by most economists. The citation is to Bergstrom and Gidehag, who have been widely discredited.
"Deregulation-induced competition helped Sweden to halt the economic decline and restore strong growth rates in the 2000s." Sweden's economic growth is more often attributed to other factors. The Swedish economy more closely followed global trends, and is suffering in 2009, just as the rest of the world is, because of the global economic crisis enabled by deregulation.
Also, the Wall Street Journal's editorial page is not a respected source of information in the United States, and is inappropriate for use in an encyclopedia, much less for an entry on Sweden. For information on the Swedish economy and Swedish public policy, the consensus among Swedish economists and policy analysts should be used. This is the section: "A September 29, 2008 editorial in the Wall St. Journal quoted Jan Björklund, leader of Sweden's Liberal Party, as saying, "The corporate tax is one of the taxes which large companies really study when they plan to set up business somewhere." The editorial goes on to say, "The corporate tax reduction will bring the Swedish rate down to 26.3% from 28%, continuing its fall from a high of 57% in 1987... entrepreneurship had become such an alien concept that more than half of Sweden's 50 largest companies were founded before World War I and only two after 1970—the period when taxes and social welfare programs proliferated... Three years ago Sweden eliminated its inheritance tax.""
The sections in question read more like crude policy papers from the American Enterprise Institute than like good encyclopedia sections. The article is in desperate need of a clean-up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Iluiiuli ( talk • contribs) 07:31, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
{{ editsemiprotected}}In the text under the subsection "inventions" it is mentioned that Tesla was Croatian. This is incorrect. He was Serbian.
The article says there was a separation of state and church from the reformation and on. This is incorrect; it was rather the starting point of when the church became something like a national governmental agency which is also reflected with mentions of the law about mandatory membership which was changed in 1860. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.225.189.106 ( talk) 20:40, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
Hello. Recently, an editor added a locator map to this article (with orange highlights and a horrid Mercator projection) which is of a style that is not only inconsistent with the locator maps in most country articles but has done so without any discussion or consensus. Consequently, I have restored the prior long-standing map. I believe a renewed consensus needs to be demonstrated before the map is changed again. Thoughts? Bosonic dressing ( talk) 02:24, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
I am proposing a removal of the message mentioned in the headline. It was me that once added it, and as the article now has been edited in a appropriate way I suggest that it is now time for it's removal. So speak up now if any of you disagree, or I will remove it within the nearest time. For more information see the archived discussion.
-- Qszet ( talk) 14:39, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Giving a clear date of the "origin of Sweden" is impossible of course, unlike many other countries there is no plain first date of unification (however you define that concept) or even first mention of the Swedes (svear or svioner do not equal the later Swedish nation). To the factbox, though, I've added the dates for the establishment, de facto end and de jure end of the Kalmar Union. The de facto end date is, of course, still celebrated as the National Day (Election of Gustav Vasa as King at Strängnäs, 1523). Also added the year of the current constitution. Strausszek ( talk) 08:21, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Halsö Island is wrong, see Hälsö —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.237.196.237 ( talk) 16:31, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
I think it might be worth mentioning the extreme usage of, and reliance upon, computers in Sweden. I have been unable to find the actual statistics, but I am pretty confident that I read in a newspaper a few years back that Sweden has the most Internet users, as well as computers, per capita in all the world. Having travelled throughout most of europe and parts of the USA, I think this is probably true. If anyone could find the statistics and/or add a few lines concerning swedish computer-usage it would be most appreciated. Djingis Khan ( talk) 12:40, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
I think there is a slight error under the military section but since I have never changed anything on wikipedia I won't touch anything myselft.
it says "The head of the armed forces is the Supreme Commander of the Swedish Armed Forces (Överbefälhavaren, ÖB), after the sovereign the most senior officer in the country."
Actually, the sovereign and the supreme commander has the same rank of general ( both four star generals). So unless someone knows som swedish law that says that the king stands above the supreme commander even though they have the same rank it should be changed.
It wouldn't be wrong to also point out that the sovereign only has a symbolic rank of general and in fact does not have any controll over the armed forces. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.64.175.48 ( talk) 11:56, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
The king lost almost all his powers (except ceremonial duties and some more) in the change of constitution in 1974. ÖB is only the C-In-C in wartime, in peace-time the last word of the military is the minister of defense (and as such, the government). in peace time, ÖB is the one taking care of logistical stuff and budgets and such things. -- 213.89.179.53 ( talk) 09:59, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Does it really belong to this article? I mean the Ale's Stones was raised for a Danish king, since Scania was part of Denmark, and known as Danes from before mid 1600's. Another fault is that in the description it says it was from the Vendel period. There has never been a such period in Scania. -- JHF1000 ( talk) 23:34, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
At the time it was raised, there was no Danish country and no Danish king. Thus, Scania
was not a part of Denmark at the time. —Preceding
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Hello,
I noticed in the article's summary (the first part of the article at the top of the page that Sweden's rank in the Human Development Index is stated as 6th when in fact it is 7th according to the Wikipedia article on the HDI ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index#High).
I'm not familiar with the conventions of Wikipedia, so pardon any errors.
122.172.23.196 ( talk) 14:40, 12 August 2009 (UTC) Anshuman Manur
Think this should be added as external link, 44 young photographers portrayed their view on Sweden. Its a free e-book that can be found at http://issuu.com/fotoboken/docs/book?mode=embed
More about the project can be seen here, its in swedish though: http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fotoboken_om_Sverige
Yesantenko ( talk) 23:31, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
The Language in sweden is no longer Swedisch. That has the goverment desided —Preceding
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Since Bosnia and Herzetgovina was a part of Former Yugoslavia why than make two seperate entries on how many people from that region moved to Sweden, why not merge the two? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.227.116.47 ( talk) 05:44, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
No wonder this page has been a target of "violation", half of it is not true. It's clearly a Swede who has written this page, because everything good is extremely exaggerated. Just look at the Sport section :S Changing false and exaggerated fairytales to actual, somewhat objective, facts is NOT a violation. Try this: less flashy and wrong > more humble and right. For once, you could actually learn something from the Americans. Look at their Sport section. Shame on you Sweden - and now, people can't even change what's not true... well played...
(An example; Björn Borg. Sure, he's a known tennis players, but THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME as claimed, ehm, not so much. He is not mentioned/stated/nominated as the #1 tennis players of all time even in a single top X of all time tennis players. Rod Laver, Roger Federer, Pete Sampras, Roy Emerson, Ivan Lindl, Andre Agassi etc. are all ranked higher in most rankings.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.164.81.69 ( talk) 02:04, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Really there's no issue here. Björn Borg was a very successful player in his time. If you visited Sweden you'd see that not much is exaggerated and most of this article is right. That lesson from America will have to wait till another day. Sweden really does punch above it's weight in sport and has a very well developed society. It has a lot to be proud of and, in my experience, is rather humble about it too. -- GMcGlinn ( talk) 02:36, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
The article occupies 153 kilobytes, which is far too large. Time to compact the article. My first impression is that a few sections that also are covered by main articles are much too long, and that that info should preferrably be moved to those main articles, if not already covered. It would be better if this article contains compact reviews of the separate articles. ... said: Rursus ( mbork³) 15:57, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
Under the heading "Political movements", there is a paragraph about the feminist initiative. I'd say that now, with the current debate on copyright/privacy/... reform, at least a paragraph on the founding of the piracy party and its later success in the eu election would be appropriate. Anyone agree/disagree? -- Tgwizard ( talk) 23:11, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
I would say its relevant. I think pirate party can be seen as the only real political movements we had in Sweden in the 21th century. Pirate party has around 50000 members. 3rd biggest party according to number of members. Moderaterna (m) which is one of Sweden's ruling parties have 54000 members. [1] Yesantenko ( talk) 23:31, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
I could be wrong here, but I'm not sure about this sentence: "The Swedish name Sverige literally means "Kingdom of the Swedes". Is'nt "Realm" a more suitable translation of the word "rige/rike"? Kingdom = Kungadöme, Rike = realm? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.249.103.85 ( talk) 12:07, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
Why is this page not locked anymore? Every country's page should be locked. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.107.220.226 ( talk) 01:11, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
I think the translation of the motto is a little off..."För Sverige i tiden", shouldn't it be more like..."For Sweden in time"?
This article on Sweden does not appear to be without political bias. It seems to speak favourably about trade liberalization and globalization which are controversial topics. It seems to mask an anti-statist, conservative agenda that is not in keeping with Wikipedia's standards on point of view neutrality.
Hv71 is the best hockeyteam in Sweaden! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.183.123.187 ( talk) 17:05, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
{{ editsemiprotected}} Under the fashion section, the link for Acne is wrong and should point to Acne Jeans instead.
It's unnecessary and looks awful to write "Swedish" beside "Konungariket Sverige" in the info box. The country info box is designed so that you understand that the first name is the country's name in English and then the name in the native language. -- Leffe00 ( talk) 10:52, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
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Change Scania in economy to Scania AB as Scania refers tp a region of Sweeden not the company.
Scania AB: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scania_%28company%29
Abyss of enchantment ( talk) 15:54, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
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Remove Lynx lynx poing.jpg please, or at least change the picture text. In what respect does the picture show a "Swedish" lynx? Was the picture taken in Sweden? The exact same picture is also shown on the Iran and Albania pages. Lynx is in no way unique or representative for the wildlife in Sweden. And it seems stupid to use the exact same picture to describe several different countries. If one necessarily need a picture of a typical swedish animal I suggest a picture of a moose, which unlike the lynx is more or less restricted to the taiga.
213.112.230.76 ( talk) 20:50, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
Done. Spigot Who? 21:15, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
What does this imprecice and unreferenced phrase refer to (end of) teritorial waters or what. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alcea setosa ( talk • contribs) 00:44, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
You will find it in the lead of the article-- Alcea setosa ( talk) 00:48, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
Sweden's Size is about the size of Alaska. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.178.136.236 ( talk) 01:34, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
No, Sweden is the size of Alaska, research or live there before you make a statement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.38.241.42 ( talk) 13:06, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
Do we need this section? It's a rather large hodgepodge of random rankings that increases the load-time of the article, and I don't think it's crucial here. Maybe it could be moved elsewhere, but I think it is too excessive here. Hayden120 ( talk) 10:11, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
I just noticed that the caption of the map in "Political History" says it tenth century kingdoms in Sweden, but the map itself says it shows twelfth century kingdoms. I'm guessing the caption is wrong, so perhaps someone could correct it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.176.135.127 ( talk) 12:00, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
The article should have an IPA guide for pronouncing Sverige. Its pronunciation is quite different than what an English speaker with no knowledge of Swedish would expect. 70.109.177.178 ( talk) 05:26, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
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Under "Official Language(s)" in the infobox only Swedish is listed, but Sweden also has five recognized minority languages: Finnish, Sami, Meänkieli, Yiddish and Romany. Shouldn't these also be listed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.230.177.115 ( talk) 19:47, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
I´m surprised there is so little information about the lappish people, their history and culture. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.67.3.184 ( talk) 07:42, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
The following appears in the language section:
" Sweden Finns are Sweden's largest linguistic minority, citation needed comprising about 3% of Sweden's population and Finnish is recognized as a minority language."
However, the infobox states that 5.1% of the population are Finns. The citation is simply
"See Sweden Finns".
If one visits this article, they will see that the infobox says
"estimated c. 470,000 (c. 5.1 per cent of the population of Sweden)"
... but there is not one source for this in the entire article. The article Finns also claims 470,000, but, of course, Sweden is the only country unsourced in the infobox (in a list of sixteen countries). Demographics of Sweden presents similar figures, but none of them are sourced. Statistics Sweden and Google are not turning up any results. Does anyone know where this information can be found? Thanks, Hayden120 ( talk) 16:28, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
Latin 'Suetidi' and Lithuanian 'Sueitidiai' meaning the people who comes together and the land is 'Sueiva' (feminin form) or 'Sueivonys' (masculin form) meaning the land where various people (mostly Vikings) collects.
Under the education section of the Sweden page it is argued that Sweden has more tertiary degree graduates than just a few other nations ("Only a few countries such as Canada, the United States and Japan have higher levels of tertiary education degree holders."). When looking at Wikipedia's own Tertiary Education, a pie chart is hosted which contains data from UNESCO. This chart, which can be found by navigating the aforementioned page, clearly shows that there are nearly a dozen nations which have a higher number of tertiary degree graduates than Sweden. Thus the current statement is misleading and perhaps should be revised to be termed less bold. Shellder ( talk) 8:15, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
The article mentions accelerated GDP growth and rising Per Capita Incomes, but every half-intelligent person knows that this means absolutely nothing. A rising GDP does not necessarily translate into rising wages and rising standards of living. For example, the US economy has been growing at an annual rate of about 3% since 1980, but wages have barely budged. 90.196.36.133 ( talk) 12:39, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
I'm removing this:
I'm surprised such an unusual claim has been let remain for so long (it was added before June 2010). It may be based on this text by Nils Bruzelius: http://www.foi.se/FOI/templates/Page____4065.aspx but he claims Sweden was unaware of those submarines until after the cold war. So I have no idea if the author here had some other source, or simply didn't understand what Bruzelius wrote. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jgrahn ( talk • contribs) 10:53, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
And thank you SineBot for signing it for me. It slipped my mind. JöG ( talk) 11:10, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
Why does the King's personal motto have such a prominent place in the infobox, and thus in the article? It is not the motto of the country. Is this just done to conform with the standard country template infobox? If so, I believe that field should be left empty, rather than giving this prominence to the personal motto of the monarch. / Coffeeshivers ( talk) 11:03, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
Also the translation is wrong (if you focus on the actual meaning of the words, not the poetic value) it should be: for Sweden - in time. //Dr_Ernst (Sweden) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.82.118.217 ( talk) 11:07, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
Regardless of whether or not the use of the motto is correct the translation is the one used by court and should probably be accepted as the official and correct one. It is used on the court's website:
http://www.royalcourt.se/royalcourt/royalfamily/hmkingcarlxvigustaf.4.396160511584257f218000644.html
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In the 'Energy and transport infrastructure' section there is a claim that Sweden "has proposed banning gasoline fossil fuel-driven vehicles by 2025", and the source appears to be a blog post about an article referencing a different article. Sweden has not actually proposed banning fossil fuels by 2025; the Center party proposed it in the opinion pages of a national daily newspaper.
Should such proposals really be included in the article on "Sweden"? It's even unclear if the party itself still stands by the proposal. If there were actual legislation or proposed legislation that is one thing but there is no indication of this. -- 195.198.42.205 ( talk) 04:28, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
Sweedin is full of terrorists. They are after our freedom. Praise be to Jimmy Wales, lord and master. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.188.39.61 ( talk) 19:37, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
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Change the title over the largest cities of sweden from "the largest cities of Ukraine" to "the largest cities of Sweden"
Bamnehagen ( talk) 09:45, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. I don't see that phrase, or that section, anywhere on the article. Perhaps you're looking at a different article? Qwyrxian ( talk) 13:50, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
The template included in that section shows the largest Swedish metropolitan areas, as well as the Södertälje and Täby metro areas; and not the Urban ones, best regards FesCityRaver ( talk) 08:15, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
Hello! What's the source for the size of the metropolitan areas in the demographics section? Seems a bit weird that Linköping has a larger population than Uppsala. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lichad ( talk • contribs) 00:05, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
To have a list of the largest metropolitan areas in Sweden is superfluous. They are very few. Why not just list the largest municipalities or cities. Jesusbarabbas ( talk) 16:46, 2 March 2011 (UTC). http://www.scb.se/Pages/TableAndChart____236124.aspx Jesusbarabbas ( talk) 09:50, 3 March 2011 (UTC).
The GPD of Spain is not 22m USD, Spain have in 2009 31m USD (sorry, but is my country and i love and protect them xD), ;)-- Zayuk ( talk) 21:32, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
I can only see one Swedish soldier in the picture (on the top of the Patria Pasi) and as far as the Humvee Article shows Swdeden doesn't operate any Humvees. There is probably somewhere a better suited picture. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carlwolfram ( talk • contribs) 16:25, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
The article claims that the area of Sweden is 450,295 square kilometres, and that this makes it the third largest country in Europe. According to the wikipedia page about Area and population in European countries, the area is 449,964 sq. km, and any of these numbers would put Sweden on fifth place (after Russia, Ukraine, France and Spain), not counting Greenland, Kazakhstan and Turkey (since none of these countries have as much area within Europe as Sweden does). Jolindbe ( talk) 15:03, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
A little statistics how much other languages than Swedish like Finnish and Arabic are spoken and understood in Sweden would be interesting. Also the number of people in Sweden who do not speak Swedish has been growing, where do we go now? 91.152.90.62 ( talk) 16:07, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
There is no proof that the Goths, Vandals, etc originated from Sweden, even if some of the germanic peoples claimed to have a scandinavian heritage. The majority view among historians is not that the germanic peoples came from Sweden and hence this statement should be removed from the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.170.93.229 ( talk) 15:35, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
"Nobody has influenced electronic dance music in the 21st century more than the Swedish House Mafia," As much as I really love this group, I cannot honestly believe this. There is too much history thanks to the huge amounts of creative musicians in this genre. 81.233.168.217 ( talk) 23:04, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
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In the "Climate" section, the following sentence is present:
"Sweden receives between 1,100 to 1,900 hours of sunshine annually."
The usage of "between A to B" is a grammatical error and should be replaced by either "between A and B" or "from A to B".
An appropriate sentence would be "Sweden receives between 1,100 and 1,900 hours of sunshine annually." 83.233.107.20 ( talk) 09:06, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
The article writes: "The last war in which Sweden was directly involved was in 1814, when Sweden by military means forced Norway into a personal union."
It is easy to believe that Norway was dependent on Sweden during 1814 and 1905 and that was certainly not the case. Even though many believes so.
In fact the Swedish army was led by Karl Johan (Charles-John) in the end of the napolonic wars invading Danmark making Denmark sease Norway to Sweden. Howerer the bother of the danish king was governor in Oslo and tried to become Norwegian king. ASo he called for the assembly of a first Norwegian parliament that made the Norwegian constitution. The reaction of Karl Johan was to send the Swedish militaries to Oslo on his behalf (he was the boss). Because he accepted a compromise accepting the constitution if he became also of Norway. So the only that was common between Norway and Sweden during those years were the king, the foreign politics (constitutional a royarl affair) and the embassies. In 1905 the Norwegians demanded own embassies and the king refused. So Norway elected a danish prince as king and on Norway went with own embassies. All the time Norway had its own army, parliament, law, administration that had nothing in common with Sweden.
I suggest the text is changed to "The last war in which Sweden was directly involved was in 1814, when Sweden by military means forced Norway into a personal union, but only joint king, foreign politics and embassies, else two independet states." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.219.161.75 ( talk) 04:53, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
Twice now, there has been attempts to put dates on a Swedish consolidation. First of all, dates such as the establishment of the Kalmar or Swedish-Norwegian union has nothing to do with this. Secondly, if the dissolvement of such a union is enough for an "establishment", then clearly the Swedish-Polish union should be included as well. Thirdly, the 6th of June 1523 was the coronation date of Gustav Vasa, who by this time had control. If anything, it is a de jure date, and even that can be discussed. Forthly, if one wants to put a date on a consolidation of Sweden, a guessed date for when the first historically certain Swedish king was raised to the throne is quite pointless. The whole point of describing it as a "consolidation" is that there is no fixed date. There are arguments that would put such a consolidation in the late 12th century (there are sources that tell of events where different "landskap" has tried electing different kings), or perhaps in the 13th, when the king was finally strong enough to impose at least some laws all over his realm.
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"Sweden's capital is Stockholm, with 1.3 million inhabitants also the largest city" should be changed to "Sweden's capital is Stockholm, with 1.4 million inhabitants also the largest city".
The correct rounding of 1.37 million ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm) with one decimal place is 1.4 million.
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I would like you to check if the list with the largest cities of sweden is correct. It´s not the same list as this http://www.scb.se/Statistik/MI/MI0810/2010A01/MI0810_2010A01_SM_MI38SM1101.pdf, scroll down to page 9 on the pdf. This list is provided by "Statistiska Centralbyrån" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistics_Sweden, this source should be very reliable. The adequacy of this list of cities shoulb be investigated. thank you! Jogo93 ( talk) 21:03, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
The article says that Sweden has not been directly involved in wars for 200 years. I disagree with this claim. At the moment, Sweden has three armoured battalions in Afghanistan and has lost six soldiers in combat. I believe that is direct participation in war. 72.198.79.196 ( talk) 03:45, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
At the 4th footnote is said that Swedish-speaking finns and other groups born outside of Sweden might consider themselves to be Swedish is absolutely wrong. We are our own people and we consider ourselves to be Finnish if anyone asks. I don't know any case of a Swedish-speaking finn who would consider himself to be Swedish. If you find a source for this i might consider it to be okay. But we're Finns alright, as much as the Americans not are British. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.73.56.50 ( talk) 16:33, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
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"The Swedish name Sverige (a conjunction of the words Svea and Rike – the latter is still spelt with the letter g, "rige", in modern Danish)" I dont see why it says how it spelled in danish, the important part it how it spelled in Swedish (rike). Otherwise you could wright up all translation of the word "rike". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Haxmannen ( talk • contribs) 10:53, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
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"Sweden has 162,707 km (101,101 mi) of paved road and 1,428 km (887 mi) of expressways. Motorways run through Sweden, Denmark and over the Öresund Bridge to Stockholm, Gothenburg, Uppsala and Uddevalla. The system of motorways is still under construction and a new motorway from Uppsala to Gävle was finished on 17 October 2007."
This is incomplete information. the Swedes call the oresund Bridge the Orebro. The line should be changed to 'Sweden has 162,707 km (101,101 mi) of paved road and 1,428 km (887 mi) of expressways. Motorways run through Sweden, Denmark and over the Öresund Bridge, or Örebro, to Stockholm, Gothenburg, Uppsala and Uddevalla. The system of motorways is still under construction and a new motorway from Uppsala to Gävle was finished on 17 October 2007.
Badgerknox ( talk) 17:43, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
It says in the picture (section Economny), that "Nordstan, the largest shopping mall in northern Europe" which is false information. Please correct this one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.247.253.170 ( talk) 20:40, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
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i am not saying change anything i am requesting an addition to Swedish music. Where it Talks about Yngwie Malmsteen you should also add skwisgaar skwigelf from the band Dethklok since he is a notable musician from Sweden.
my reliable source is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skwisgaar_Skwigelf#Skwisgaar_Skwigelf
i hope you make the right choice and make the addition to the page.
Zombieinc ( talk) 18:22, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
The Sweden Democrats are not a far-right party. That term is a political tool used by their political and ideological opponents to discredit them. On an economic scale, their position is centrist or right of center at most because they are in support of the Swedish welfare state and describe themselves as "social democratic." On a social scale, they are more in support of the Swedish model of ethnic tolerance (as they argue it) for pragmatic reasons of social cohesion making them national conservatives, which could be described as traditionalist in one sense, as well as for reasons of cultural preference, which shows that they are civic nationalist as well due to their beliefs that "anyone can be Swedish" through assimilation; this is a far cry from the ideology of ethnic nationalism that groups popularly and more traditionally described as "far-right" exhibit, which seems to be a threshold marker to be accurately defined as such. Just because a source is sited describing the Sweden Democrats as "far-right" does of course not make it so especially if these are journalistic sources who write stories without a necessity for academic integrity and whom are often openly tied to specific political parties or ideologies as is the case in much of Europe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.251.196.58 ( talk) 01:23, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
Agreed that the left-right scale is not as accurate and relevant as it once was, but the placement of the Sweden Democrats as a far-right party is correct on that scale. Read i.e. Left-right politics. /111126 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.150.250.36 ( talk) 04:19, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
I think extreme caution must be used when dealing neutrally with any matters political on WP, and I'm not sure that is the case here. An extra effort to be perfectly neutral would be a great idea. Some of you are obviously pushing your personal political views and dismissing the POV of your opposites, using clichés and catch phrases. That's not appropriate in an article about any country or any political movement. SergeWoodzing ( talk) 21:11, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
The statement in the intro paragraph that Sweden has not been directly involved in any war since 1812 seems contradicted by over 500 Swedish troops fighting "directly" against the Taliban in the Afghanistan War. Six Swedish soldiers have been killed in action "directly" by enemy fire. I'd say this bogus claim that Sweden has not participated in war since 1812 needs to be deleted. 72.198.76.97 ( talk) 03:40, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
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As all Swedish citizen know, Sweden does not, and have not ever had, an official language. 'Swedish' is merely the main language along with eight minor languages (some of them are in the text). This is 5th grade knowledge in Sweden, you cannot find "Swedish" as an official language in the Swedish law. Nowhere.
Lollofix ( talk) 22:38, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
Swedish was long the de facto official language in Sweden, but as of 2009 it actually is the official language, along with 5 minority languages. See source. Nymf hideliho! 06:26, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
The following two statements are contradictory yet one appears in the entry for
Sweden the other in the entry for
Russia:
from
Sweden
"The eastern half of Sweden, present-day Finland, was lost to Russia in 1809."
from
Russia#Imperial_Russia
"This continued with Alexander I's (1801–25) wresting of Finland from the weakened kingdom of Sweden in 1809."
Would someone please clarify/correct one or the other (or both!)?
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Being a Swede, I can't understand the point in having the royal anthem (literally "The King's Song" in Swedish) posted in the article. The royal anthem is not considered official in any way and is not sung by other than strong royalist. Although Sweden strangely is a monarchy, keeping it does not correlate to the powerless position the monarchy has in Sweden. The article in Swedish does not have it. /111111 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.150.250.36 ( talk) 01:24, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
AS far as I know, Sweden doesn't have any official statistics about ethnicity. Still in the infobox it's written that 90.8% of the population are Swedes (a very exact number). This is very strange because further down one can read that "18% of the population had foreign origins", of course it's fully plausible that a large proportion of them have assimilated, but which source says that? Also, there are also a few people who belong to ancient minority groups who have lived in Sweden for centuries without assimilating, e.g. Samis and Tornedalians. To which group do they belong? The ethnic groups numbers seem to have been made very arbitrarily. Aaker ( talk) 12:47, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
The lead sentence in the section on the economy contains some pretty dramatic statements without citation. Specifically, it refers to Sweden's "modern distribution system, excellent internal and external communications, and a skilled labour force". Does anyone have a source to verify these three separate claims? Some statistics could help - ports per capita, kilometers of fiber optic cable, average years of education, etc. CaseyPenk ( talk) 05:32, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
I noticed this page lost its Good Article status and I see some areas for improvement. I've made a list below. Please expand it with additional items, comment on it, and check items off as you complete them. Thanks! CaseyPenk ( talk) 12:34, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
OK, let's make this clear. First of all, talking about "Goths" in Swedish history is just muddying the waters. The correct article is Geats.
Second, there is no clear date for when Sweden was formed, because there is no clear definition. If one wants to talk about when Svealand and Götaland were first united under one king, then Olof Skötkonung is the first King for which we have evidence. Eric the Victorious is the first king in modern Sweden who is considered to have existed at all, without any doubt, but that does not make him a sensible marker for when the country came into being. In fact, some historians would argue that Sweden was not fully formed until the 13th century...
The end of the Kalmar union is a more sensible date to use, even if it was mostly a formal detail, and a coincidental one, by then. There had been quite suceesful attempts to dissolve the union long before that, Gustav Vasa was just the one who managed to make it permanent.
The union with Norway makes no sense in this context. Sweden's autonomy was in no way affected by it. It makes about as much sense in this context as the American independence would for the UK.
Andejons ( talk) 06:25, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
An edit like this - a reversal without discussion here - is not constructive. It is far fetched to require comparison of a fact in a country's economy to other countries, only because the fact looks embarrrassing to certain politicians and economic groupings. The editor in action here has a clear (self-published) political affiliation which makes h editing looked far from neutral. I am removing the tag again as it looks like clear politcal bias to me. SergeWoodzing ( talk) 12:30, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
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Please change the following sentence under History - Viking and Middle Ages from:
Their routes passed through the Dnieper down south to Constantinople, on which they did numerous raids.
to:
Their routes passed through the Dnieper down south to Constantinople, on which they carried out numerous raids.
Use of 'did' is clumsy and while valid it is better English to say 'carried out'
Pmbeck ( talk) 03:59, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
The article says (my emphasis):
Carl Michael Bellman did not compose his own music but took up the best songs of his times and added very witty texts. Contemporary with Bellman was Abbé Vogler who was a composer, but there are better examples to use. -- 81.229.102.134 ( talk) 18:24, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
^ "Sydsvenskan (a Swedish newspaper) – in Swedish". Sydsvenskan.se. 2006-02-08. Retrieved 2010-08-25.
It's been almost two years ago this was retrived & updated(!)
and it's from a controversial (scania/southern) swedish newspapper with a biased POV,
which i really don't think is suited as a reference source for an encyclopedia
and should be removed as such.
-- Byzantios ( talk) 11:20, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
Again, a biased POV newspapper, specially a notoriously biased tabloid as Sydsvenskan, is not suitable as a reference source in an encyclopedia and should be removed and annother, unbiased/not POV reference source replace it. And you said it yourself: there are better sources, and no doubt unbiased and not POV twisted.
-- Byzantios ( talk) 17:19, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
In February 2011, several sections (including the one on architecture) were added by User:FesCityRaver, who has later been permanently banned as a sock puppet. The architecture section claimed (until August 2012) that most buildings before the 13th century were built from brick, which is nonsense, and in disagreement with the main article. Several other statements are poorly written, perhaps wrong, and in need of a review and factchecking. -- LA2 ( talk) 03:38, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
Croatian writer Giancarlo Kravar: Sweden was the first European country to introduce bills 1661st year, and probably will be the first and out of use. Banknotes and coins have a percentage of only three percent of payments in the Swedish economy, and even the donations received for the church with the help of credit card or SMS. Neither public transport in Sweden can no longer pay cash. 93.137.42.94 ( talk) 05:21, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
Under Literature, it is stated that Larsson based Lisbeth Salander on Longstocking. This is not entirely true and it certainly doesn't say this in the article (which is a dead link, btw). He was influenced by the character. Not sure how to resolve this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sabbersolo ( talk • contribs) 11:41, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
Please make your views known in this discussion on: Talk:Parliament of Sweden#Requested move .282012.29. RicJac ( talk) 07:47, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
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The currently displayed population census of 2012 was an estimate. The SCB published the actual census a few days ago. The number was 9,555,893. Currently 9,540,065 is displayed and this needs to be changed as the estimation was too low by quite a lot. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonas Henriksson ( talk • contribs) 11:57, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
The article states that 6.2% of the population is of another ethnic group than Swedish, though in the source referred to, ( http://www.scb.se/Pages/TableAndChart____26041.aspx) it states that in reality, 14.7 are foreign born, and a total of 19.1% is either born out of Sweden or has both parents born out of Sweden. The 6.2% to in the article represents the number of people living in Sweden who has not yet retained citizenship, but not the number of people of non-Swedish ethincity. According to Wikipedias own article about Swedes as an ethnic group, 7.712.376 people in the world are of Swedish ethnicity, which accounts for 81.9% of the total population of Sweden. Hence, the number 6.2% referred to for non-ethnic Swede's is by all means proven incorrect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.209.178.243 ( talk) 00:23, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
I suggest we !vote on this topic so we can get a degree of consensus. I propose that we remove the statistics on ethnicity. Personally, I would prefer having no statistics on this particular issue to having misleading ones. I'm also open to the idea of adding nationality or country of origin information, because the Swedish government actually publishes statistics to that effect. CaseyPenk ( talk) 14:22, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
It is unfair to hide this statistical and official estimation to the Swedish people and the world.It is clear that some group of people want to use hide information for their political personal views. The numbers must be changed to 80%. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.91.202.88 ( talk) 21:13, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
The Ethnic Swedish population is at 78% and decreasing every year because of mass immigration in Sweden. To hide this fact is to hide the reality of the country. http://affes.wordpress.com/2011/10/22/nordisk-bakgrund-i-sverige-1900-2010/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anton88be ( talk • contribs) 13:42, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
Dear Sjö ( talk) , the stats may not be perfect but it gives a good idea on the current demographics of Sweden. Also there has never been more than 4% of non nordic foreigners in Sweden before 1961. 20% of people with foreign background means that there is 80% that have no foreign background.
I accept your arguments but you must accept mine. Lets say 80% of Swedes with no foreign background. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anton88be ( talk • contribs) 05:23, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
"Ethnicity" of Swedes in a genetic sense is very illusive to discuss due to all the large demographic changes in the past (Finns, Belgians, Germans, Scottish settling in different areas). A huge percentage of the population, while having grown up in Sweden, have a partially Finnish background and yet nobody perceives them as a different ethnicity anymore. "Ethnicity" may also be interpreted in a cultural sense. Still the problem of line-drawing remains. For instance, Norwegians speak a language that is mutually intelligible with Swedish. They have almost exactly the same culture and values. Is a child of a Swedish mother and a Norwegian father of a partially different ethnicity? A "yes" would be completely rediculous. We could perhaps speak of a Scandinavian-Germanic or North-Germanic ethnicity, summing up Swedes, Danes, Norwegians, Icelanders and Foroese as an ensemble of peoples with a largely common cultural background. While neglecting a few extreme areas, most people of foreign background who were born in Sweden or arrived there at a young age have largely assimilated the local behaviour and values, even though they have foreign parents. Thus it is not relevant to consider them as a different ethnicity in the cultural sense anymore. Because of all these reasons, stating numbers regarding ethnicity is rediculous. The only factual, indisputable number that we can give is the one based on place of birth. According to Eurostat, that would be 14.3 %. Thus 85.7 % of the population in Sweden are Swedes. ( Jonas Henriksson ( talk) 17:45, 22 February 2013 (UTC))
I think you exaggerate the impact of the small amount of immigration that happened prior to modern times. Most of us are likely to have some foreign heritage, but that that will still be just a drop in a deep sea.
I for instance have forest Finns in my lineage 300 years back in time, but that only make me 1/216 Finnish. Anyway, it is better to provide no information over disinformation, as we don't really know how many people consider themselves Swedish. --
94.255.146.227 (
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If you read the swedish wikipedia's article on the history of Gothenburg, you will find that a very large percentage of the population of Gothenburg during the years that followed the city's founding came from Scotland, Germany and the Netherlands. The scottish influence is the reason to why the name "Glenn" persists in Western Sweden. You would find a similar relation between Stockholm+Uppsala and Germans. At one point, 40 % of the population in Uppsala had German names. What we can conclude is that the cities at the time of their founding had significant immigration. Subsequent urbanization of rural people must have lead to a dilution of that, as you say, but with such a sparesly populated country, could it really be as a drop in the deep sea? Two rivers joining would be a more suitable analogy. Moreover, the older story is not concluded. Recent findings show that the people who brought agriculture to Sweden came from the Mediterranean ( http://www.nature.com/news/ancient-swedish-farmer-came-from-the-mediterranean-1.10541) and were genetically similar to today's Cypriots and Sardinians. That was 6000 years ago, which is a very short time in genetics. ( Jonas Henriksson ( talk) 10:21, 2 March 2013 (UTC))
You are talking about times when the urban population was a very minor part of a country's total population. According to genetic studies that I've read ( http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0022547), Swedes are fairly homogeneous compared to other European peoples. Besides, migrations that happened prior to there even being differences amongst the Indo-European branch of people are not very relevant to the definition of the modern Swedish ethnicity. -- 94.255.146.227 ( talk) 07:16, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
It is true that the urbanites were a minority at the time. But do you know to what extent? The rural population of Sweden at the time was not very large neither. The total population of Sweden at the peak of its imperial period was estimated to 2.5 million people, thus the population in Sweden proper was even smaller. The statement you made is not actually strengthened by the article you refer to. You said that Swedes are fairly homogeneous compared to other European people, but actually the article states that Northern Swedes (who have always been a minority) are genetically inhomogeneous and they differ from Southern Swedes (who have always been in majority) who are genetically homogeneous. It is also explained that people in the state of Utah (who have mainly British, Scandinavian and German ancestry) differ very little genetically from Southern Swedes. That mainly shows that Southern Swedes fit together closely with other groups of germanic language speakers. It is the Northern Swedes, the minority, that are the differing group. The article also argues that continental Europeans and Britons must have migrated to Southern Sweden, explaining the genetic composition of the people living there today. The conclusion is thus that the Southern Swedes are homogeneous with (not "compared to", of that there is no mention) other European people. Furthermore, the expansion of agriculture predates the expansion of the Indo-European languages by a couple of thousand years, depending on the region. You cannot make a statement about the definition of any European ethnicity without taking into account how they came to be. The migrations bringing agriculture as well as the migrations bringing in indo-european languages were clearly relevant in the forming of the Swedish ethnicity, as it is relevant to the formation of Spanish, Italian, Russian, German or any other European ethnicities. An alternative image would be that the Swedes descend from the hunter-gatherer bands that arrived after the end of the last glacial period. The truth is that this group mixed with a number of other later arriving groups and that the same story is likely to apply for almost all of Europe. ( Jonas Henriksson ( talk) 16:04, 3 March 2013 (UTC))
It is written in the article that the country's official name is Konungariket Sverige. I have tried to look up what official document this is based on. Can someone help me with this? Stora Kogha ( talk) 13:18, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
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Please change the amount of Hockey World Championships wins from eight to nine since Sweden won this years championship.
http://hockeyarchive.info/en/t/95/2013-ice-hockey-world-championship/
Sweden men's national ice hockey team
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I just read the new sentence in the introduction: "Nevertheless, the country has experienced social tensions, particularly in areas in which significant numbers of immigrants have settled."
Is this supposed to be a joke? I'd wager more cars are burned in Paris on an average weekend than in all of Sweden during those riots, and yet nothing is mentioned regarding social tensions on the wikipedia site concerning France. You could make the same argument regarding the Netherlands or Germany. This sentence could come later in the article, discussing this particular topic, but in the introduction it really looks like a bad joke. Is that more notable so many other things that are not mentioned in the introduction? The sentence should be removed. Please change as soon as possible.
Jonas Henriksson ( talk) 20:06, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
I agree, I undid the edit commenting it was too sweeping of a statement, but User:SergeWoodzing undid it, again, sadly not indulging himself on the talk page. He is talking about the article 'clearly' talking about widespread rioting. He surely needs to be more specific than that, or how is someone supposed to be able to dispute any such abstract statement. I will reverse it back and ask him to at least let us talk about it here first. Dux Ducis Hodiernus ( talk) 12:27, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
OK. You cannot claim that anything the New York Times writes about Stockholm is notable with respect to Sweden only because it is written in the New York Times. I agree that the NYT is a generally respected newspaper. However, do you really consider this newspaper an authority on the issue? Their main audience consists of North Americans, but the article relates to the affairs of a European country. Look at the article more closely! It is weak and shallow! Look at the sweeping, poorly supported statements! Did Sweden become "the center of a heated debate across Europe about immigration and the tensions it causes in a time of deep economic malaise"? I have searched for articles on this topic in French and English media. Le Monde showed the most interest and put the riots into context in a fairly indepth article (www.lemonde.fr/europe/article/2013/05/30/emeutes-urbaines-en-suede-le-prix-de-la-segregation_3420578_3214.html). However, since then, French media seems to have lost interest and I find no continuation of the discussion from the month of June. Furthermore, it seems that only English language newspaper that has continued to write anything about the topic in June is The Local, which is Sweden-based (!) and has very little impact. It seems this "heated debate across Europe" died pretty quickly!
I live in Switzerland, and I discuss topics such as these with Swiss, French and Italians among tohers. They found that the topic was passé one week after the Husby riots. If I asked them today, then probably they wouldn't even remember that it happened. I believe the reason to that is that the riots were simply too meek and therefore didn't leave a lasting impression: According to the wikipedia page on this topic, 150 vehicules were torched, causing a loss of about 63m SEK (€7.1m). They involved some 50-100 persons. To put into perspective, the Paris riots in 2005 led to the torching of 8,973 vehicules and the loss of about €200 Million. 2,888 arrests were made and two people died. Do you see this event described in the lead in the article about France? And do you really think that the Husby riots carried echoes of the riots in Paris? The comparison made in the article you refer to is simply patheticly naïve. You mention concerns among Stockholmers that you know. That is not an authoritative source. Again, this sentence has nothing to do in the lead. You believe that the riots are important for the country's future, but they happened only slightly more than a month ago. In your last paragraph, you are describing your personal feelings and interpretations. Again, not a very strong authority. I may feel that soccer-related hooliganism is a bigger problem and that's been around for several decades. Why don't we write about Sweden's serious problems with soccer-related hooliganism in the lead? For the sake of consistency and relevance, this sentence has to go out of the lead. It can appear further down in the text with some more substance (perhaps in the public policy section). Please edit! Jonas Henriksson ( talk) 19:17, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
After looking into wikipedia: undue weight more indepth, it is clear to me that the sentence "Nevertheless, according to the New York Times, the country has experienced social tensions, particularly in areas in which significant numbers of immigrants have settled." must be removed. Putting this sentence in the lede gives the issue a disproportionate significance which is not coherent with having a neutral point of view. The sentence is based on a news report concerning events that are very recent. From Wikipedia's text regarding a Neutral point of view: "An article should not give undue weight to any aspects of the subject but should strive to treat each aspect with a weight appropriate to its significance to the subject. For example, discussion of isolated events, criticisms, or news reports about a subject may be verifiable and impartial, but still disproportionate to their overall significance to the article topic. This is a concern especially in relation to recent events that may be in the news. Note that undue weight can be given in several ways, including, but not limited to, depth of detail, quantity of text, prominence of placement, and juxtaposition of statements." The sentence is based on a recent news report. Editors may have been affected by the attention peak that the events received. However, that attention died out very fast. In addition, the article is about the country of Sweden, but the events took place in a very localized area. The mentioned sentence gives a disproportionate significance to the events for this article. I would like to advise more care to be taken in future editing. Jonas Henriksson ( talk) 12:30, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
An editor who has not been able to get consensus for h POV here on the talk page has now adandoned it and begun doing this type of arbitrary edit (bordering on edit war), to get his way anyway. I must object to the method. -- SergeWoodzing ( talk) 14:41, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
Truckfighters are a fairly popular Swedish band. Can they be added to the list of bands under the "heavy metal" title? TurboThunderdome ( talk) 19:19, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
Looking at the other bands listed I guess they aren't that popular...yet. And not being Swedish, I can't demonstrate significance. TurboThunderdome ( talk) 16:11, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
It has been suggested that I bring this to the attention of editors here. -- SergeWoodzing ( talk) 12:47, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
The table on religion is outdated , please add
| 2009 || 9,340,682 || 6,664,064|| 71.3%<ref>[http://www.kyrkanstidning.se/kyrkanstidning/nyheter/inrikes/dystra_siffror_for_dop_och_vigslar_0_13864.news.aspx Dystra siffror för dop och vigslar] {{sv}}, [http://www.kyrkanstidning.se Kyrkans Tidning], May 27, 2010.</ref><ref>[http://www.svenskakyrkan.se/default.aspx?id=645562 Svenska kyrkans medlemsutveckling år 1972-2009]</ref> |- style="text-align:center;" | 2010 || 9,415,570 || 6,589,769 || 70.0% |- style="text-align:center;" | 2011 || 9,482,855 || 6,519,889 || 68.8%<ref>[http://www.svenskakyrkan.se/default.aspx?id=890756&ptid=48063 Medlemmar i Svenska kyrkan 1972-2011.pdf] svenskakyrkan.se</ref> |- style="text-align:center;" | 2012 || 9,555,893 || 6,446,729 || 67.5%<ref name="svenskakyrkan.se"/> thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peterniels ( talk • contribs) 16:10, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
The climate source doesn't work. I strongly suggest to use the SMHI very thorough data instead (period 1961-90)
First I question the terminology. There has never been any Emperor that has ruled any Swedish territory. The British Empire is different, since the Queen/King in the UK also was Emperor of India. But the map - I would argue that before the beginning of the 19th century, the border between Norway and Sweden was undecided. Along the coast Norwegian fishermen lived all the way to the Kola-peninsula (in Russia). But further away from the coast, and north of Jämtland, only the Sami people lived (except at the Baltic Sea coast). Other maps from this time usually doesn't print out any Swedish-Norwegian border north of Jämtland. Boeing720 ( talk) 02:29, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
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The definition of Sweden being a "Scandinavian country" in the first sentence should be removed or placed further down. This information is secondary and does not define Sweden at this basic level. Instead Sweden should be defined as a "parliamentary constitutional monarchy". 213.100.99.103 ( talk) 18:23, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
I have previously asked several times that there be less unflattering & embarrassing boasting about Sweden in this article, and I recently removed a huge boast by a little private organization that few people have ever heard of. Because of this edit and the previous one, where I was reversed, I have now red-linked that "prominent" organization (quoting another user), which I still do not believe should be used for a boast that huge. If so it should be well known enough for it's own article. Who/what else says it's "prominent"? -- SergeWoodzing ( talk) 07:46, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
The Administrative Divisions section of the article gives the impression that municipalities are subdivision of counties, and thereby subordinate to them. This is not correct.
The geographical boundaries usually do coincide with the outward boundaries of the outer municipalities. But there are two separate Governmental institutions covering the county geographic area: the County Administrative Board - which is an arm of the Central State and purely administrative; and the County Council - which is an elected body with a supporting administration whose primarily responsibilities lie in health and public transport.
The County Council is legally at the same LOCAL GOVERNMENT level as the Municipal Council, also with its own administrative system. The municipalities have a wide range of statutorily compulsory and some voluntary fields of responsibility. These do not include health and public transport. However, because of the nature of some fields of responsibility - like care of the elderly, and of children, local roads and their associated infrastructure (drainage, street lighting etc.) there are obviously many points of contact. Swedish public sector organisations are generally known for their high level of cooperation and coordination. Sweden is also remarkable in the extent of decentralisation of authority. Local authorities (municipal and county)receive the lion share of income tax with payment to the municipality/county of residence - not employment; they have a virtual monopoly on planning (municipal plans do not require approval at any higher level). Once again, there is a great deal of consultation, coordinatin and cooperation between different organisations, and among municipalities themselves. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mohembo ( talk • contribs) 21:33, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
Found in this section: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden#Demographics — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.17.100.29 ( talk) 09:35, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
"Sweden receives between 500 and 500 and 800 mm" --> "Sweden receives between 500 and 800 mm"
Just a little mistake
http://sweden.se/society/history-of-sweden/ This is Sweden's government website and they know there own history. The language is German based not the people. Facts are Germany does not have a DNA project!. So how can you prove they have Germanic blood. And Swedish peoples DNA is most similar in ratios to other Central European countries like Czech Republic and Poland. Google, Jomsborg, Jomsborg Vikings, Skane slavic, Skane slavic pottery, slavic pagans, King Eric of Pomerania Also old English did not exist before the late 12th Century ( You must mean Latin/Roman) Does it hurt to do a little research?. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.33.7.110 ( talk) 10:35, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
I wonder what in the classification of the Sweden Democrats as centre-right constitutes a compromise? There was no scientific research supporting such a description. A quick Google Scholar search for "Sweden Democrats" yields papers supporting the opposite (populist right, racist right and radical right populist are the first three descriptions of the party [5] [6] [7]) and while they may not be considered neutral by proponents of the Sweden Democrats they are indicative of most theory regarding the Sweden Democrats. A compromise could be describing the parties in government as centre-right and the Sweden Democrats as right-wing. Martymcflyer ( talk) 04:27, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
There is a mistake in the article. Please, according to the Clip (Cbn) correct! https://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2012/April/Swedish-Home-Schoolers-Flee-Parental-Inquisition/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.129.155.154 ( talk) 03:55, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
It says: "Post-war era: Sweden was officially a neutral country and remained outside NATO and Warsaw pact membership during the Cold War, but privately Sweden's leadership had strong ties with the United States and other western governments."
This sounds somewhat sneaky, as there's a front of neutrality and behind everybody's back they have strong ties. This ought to be substantiated because it implies the accusation of hypocrisy. 121.209.53.9 ( talk) 04:16, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
I apologize if I did not explain my edits. The lead should never contain specific details about some magazine ranking this country in this place and so on. It should contain very general information and the main highlights of the country. For example, is it really necessary to specifically mention Newsweek and what ranking they gave the country? This should be mentioned later in the article, not in the lead. See any featured or good article and you will understand. All these rankings can just be put under "Sweden does well in comparisons of this, that" and so on, which is what I did and why I said the lead should be modified. KingdomHearts25 ( talk) 13:54, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
The motto, "För Sverige - i tiden" is now translated as "For Sweden – With the Times". A better and more accurate translation is "For Sweden – In Time".— Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]])
While you're right that if the Royal Court uses it, then of course that is the one we're sticking with. But what I want to say is that "i tiden" -> "in the time" (lit. translation). "With the times" -> "Med tiden" (lit. translation). The difference between "i tid" and "i tiden" is that the latter is the definite article. We both know that the motto of Sweden has nothing to do with being late or not, neither was I implying that it was. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.160.25.188 ( talk) 18:22, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
In the subsection "Modern History" there are two references to the potato, in the first and third paragraphs respectively. However none of them is highlighted in blue ( I mean, they are not hyperlinks linking to the potato article).
The potato, as the article clearly demonstrates, was a VERY important crop for the very survival of many nations such as Sweden (and MANY others in Europe and elsewhere). Therefore the word potato should be hyperlinked. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.244.10.77 ( talk) 21:23, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
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We shouldn't be listing the prime minister-designate. GoodDay ( talk) 00:38, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
In the introduction, the text goes "Germanic peoples have inhabited Sweden since prehistoric times, emerging into history as the Gotar and Svear tribes and contributing to the sea peoples known as the Vikings.", I think Gotar should be replaced with Geats, especially as Gotar redirects to Gotlander
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I'm pretty sure Tycho Brahe was Danish, even though being born in a now swedish city. At the site for Tycho Brahe, it says he was danish, so putting it in the section for swedish science would be misleading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.143.69.99 ( talk) 15:54, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
Done Tycho Brahe was most definitely Danish not Swedish, and died long before Scania was ceded to Sweden. So he should not be listed as a Swedish scientist... Thomas.W talk 16:04, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
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In the first paragraph it states that Southern Sweden is predominantly agricultural and northern Sweden mainly forest. This isn't true. (I am Swedish and I live in Sweden all my life). Only the southernmost tip (Skåne) is mainly agricultural. Forestry is the main industry (and covers most of the land) in the rest of Southern Sweden too. See for example the article on Småland. (Which is clearly southern Sweden). See how the land is there? It is also mainly forest and lake. 213.114.44.178 ( talk) 10:01, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
Not done There are large agricultural areas in Halland, Blekinge, Västergötland, Östergötland and Uppland too, which, from a geographical standpoint, are also part of "Southern Sweden". Thomas.W talk 10:45, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
The current phrase is problematic. Here, "predominantely" by definition means that more than 50 % is agricultural. However, there is no source to support this claim! Moreover, "Southern Sweden" is vague. Does this refer to the geographic southern half of the country? In this case, then surely much less than 50 % of the land is agricultural, which means that the statement at present is directly errenous. I would propose two options to deal with this problem:
1. Find a reliable source that gives figures for the percentage of land occupied by agriculture and forest in the different regions. Adapt the text accordingly.
2. Moderate the current phrase. Instead of "predominantly", the phrase could read, for instance, "While the land in Sweden is predominantly covered by forests, significant parts of Southern Sweden are agricultural."
Let's be a bit creative and find a better solution to this!
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The following part from the religion section:
"Sociology professor Phil Zuckerman claims that Swedes, despite a lack of belief in God, commonly resent the term atheist, preferring to call themselves Christians while being content with remaining in the Church of Sweden.[168] Other research has shown that religion in Sweden continues to play a role in cultural identity.[169] This is evidenced by the fact that around 70 per cent of adults continue to remain members of the Lutheran Church[170] despite having to pay a church tax; moreover, rates of baptism remain high and church weddings are increasing in Sweden"
seems to be from highly speculative research. I would also argue that this research is not well-recognized for this area and constitutes a very thin opinion. Therefore, I think this section should be removed since it gives the reader a speculative (and with a non negligible high probability incorrect) insight on religion in Sweden.
For instance "This is evidenced by the fact that around 70 per cent of adults continue to remain members of the Lutheran Church" is misguiding since this number is steadily declining every year. The sentence makes the user believe that this number is steady around 70 percent. This is evidently not the case since the percentage (this information is taken from table in the wiki article) is down to 67.5% in 2012. If one checks the history of the wiki article one can see that the sentence has been around for a while but the numbers have changed. It was changed sometime after june 2013 from 80 to 70 percent. I would therefore strongly advice that this specific sentence should be removed since it's not scientific. The removal of whole part would also increase the quality of the article.
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Why did they never put "Category:States and territories established in "<any year>"" for Sweden?
I do not know how long Sweden have been a country for? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.100.127.71 ( talk) 13:16, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
Was he badly burned to death?
How did the first King of Sweden died from?
Then 7 centuries later, what had cause to have a disastrous fire?
I don't see any reason to have several different dates for the establishment of Sweden. The current nation state as we know it goes back to 1523 according to most interpretations. There is a pre-history, but since this article is about the modern state, it's unclear why anything but 1523 should be in the infobox.
Motivations are needed and, more importantly, they need to be in sync with article content. The infobox has to be a summary of the article and should focus on the most official or widely recognized facts. Anyone who wants to describe nuances like prehistory or other major political changes can do so in the article, where proper context can be provided.
Peter Isotalo 19:15, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
As Thomas.W has pointed out already, nobody excepts Peter Isotalo agrees on 1523 as the starting date. The article used to say the Middle ages for years, until Peter Isotalo changed it in February, and has kept reverting anyone who opposes. Jeppiz ( talk) 21:38, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
I have to say I agree with the others that I don't see any reason not to have multiple establishment dates if these are adequately supported by RS. I'm not sure whether EU accession is one to include, but as mentioned below since this is one which affects most EU countries in a similar way, it's likely that most should be treated the same way and therefore it would be best to have a centralised discussion. Nil Einne ( talk) 07:10, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
Is Peter Isotalo now seriously requiring a source that Sweden joined the EU 1st January 1995 ( [30]), or is the use of tags just to make a WP:POINT? Jeppiz ( talk) 21:51, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
Supported by the "List of Florence" (references:"Mission und Kirchenorganisation Zur Zeit der Christianisierung Schwedens" by sv:Kjell Kumlien, published in Konstanz, 1968, which includes information about the List of Florence, including describing the list as being a guide for travellers, with the names of Swedish provinces, rather than an ecclesiastical list of names of dioceses (it is available as a pdf in German from the library of the University of Heidelberg, but the Google reference link is blacklisted, so I can't add it here; if you do a Google search on "Nomina insularum de regno sueuorum" on Google you'll get a download link there) and Fornvännen (one of the most highly regarded scientific publications about Northern European history, if not the most highly regarded), 1952 pp 178-187, author Adolf Schück ( downloadable as a pdf in Swedish), plus Utrikespolitiska Institutet stating in their country guide that a unified Sweden, comprising both Svealand and Götaland has existed since the 12th century. Thomas.W talk 11:21, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for your edits and for your diligence, Thomas. It's unfortunate that Peter tries to wear down anyone disagreeing, but as you point out, he has never provided a single source himself, and his random tagging, removal of sources and continued edit warring against consensus is purely disruptive. Jeppiz ( talk) 14:12, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
·maunus · snunɐɯ· 14:26, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
If there is a consensus to leave out the EU accession, I won't object. As I said, I just put it in as I followed the praxis of other EU country infoboxes but it's not something I have strong feelings about one way or the other. Jeppiz ( talk) 18:05, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
I'm for leaving it out altogether. It has no significance to the formation of Sweden and is no more important than a whole bunch of other events (independence from Denmark, Thirty Years War, losing the Baltic possessions, losing Finland, the 1809 constitution, first democratic elections, WW II, etc.) Peter Isotalo 18:55, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
I tried to implement the result of our discussion as a kind of compromise version, removing EU, adding the kalmar union and the 12th century establishment of the first unified kingdom. I hope this is agreeable to all and I havent misread the consensus? Otherwise Here is a place to make further suggestions for improvements. ·maunus · snunɐɯ· 20:48, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
It seems to be irrelevant by now, but in case a similar dispute arises, I looked up general works on the history of Sweden and tried to identify what established historians have to say about establishment. Here's a short summary with quotes (quotes in parentheses are chapter names):
Note that mention of the 1164 archdiocese is only mentioned in passing in Den svenska historien part two. This is why I always argue against any attempts to argue the importance of history based on personal evaluation of events.
Also note the similar terminology used about the consolidation of the medieval kingdoms and the establishment of the modern kingdom under Gustav I; the two are clearly seen as pivotal events. This the result of quick check at slightly dated popular works on history written by professional historians at the SU library. There might be very different perspectives in more recent works (which was unavailable at the time). None of this is going to show up in any Google searches, mind you.
Peter Isotalo 21:23, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
It is established that the English language use Gothenburg (not "Göteborg") as well as Scania (not "Skåne") and this is English Wikipedia, not Swedish. Things like IFK Göteborg and Region Skåne are more specific and lackes English names. But when talking about in what province a city is located in, isn't among those specific matters when we use Swedish terminology here. People from provinces less known through British history shouldn't take offence just because Scania and Gothenburg exist in the English vocabulary. Please remember this is written for English readers. Boeing720 ( talk) 04:36, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
I noted the naval flag and lesser coat of arms added to the infobox footnotes by Sekreterare and the footnote symbol added after the greater coat of arms by P. S. Burton, but there was no corresponding link to the first footnote. I have added the footnote symbol after the civil and state flag, although it was a bit fiddly and has left some awkward code to make the {{ infobox country}} template work. I've mentioned this at Template talk:Infobox country § Flag captions to see if the code can be simplified, but at least it looks right on a superficial level. — sroc 💬 22:34, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
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Although the code is imperfect, it is necessary to make the {{ infobox country}} template format the caption correctly. So, what's wrong with it? — sroc 💬 17:10, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
"its [ sic broke". Can we get the D going? — sroc 💬 10:57, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
Citing a nytimes article and a obscure book to say that swedes resent the word atheist and the church wedding are increasing is false and should be taken care of. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.243.217.245 ( talk) 23:17, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
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I was reading this article: How laissez faire made Sweden rich:
Seems on the Wikipedia search of the central figures discussed in the article the facts seem true. I haven't read a lot of Swedish history so is this revisionist or is this article fact and should be better represented in the 1850-1950 2.5 Modern history section? The current section makes it seem like the government socialist actions "government-sponsored programmes" and "Strong grassroots movements sprung up in Sweden during the latter half of the 19th century (trade unions" were responsible for the success of Sweden in this time rather than the market based policies and individual freedoms espoused in the above article. Should some reference of these be made? Happy to be corrected if the linked article is disproved by better sources or for it to be added. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rakkhi ( talk • contribs) 11:50, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
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The band Ghost (or Subvision, Magna Carta Cartel, Repugnant or Tid) is not mentioned and should be I think...just a suggestion. 2602:306:364C:250:BCD4:D77B:7B94:511F ( talk) 05:27, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
I know today's Sweden is not a former Sweden.Although I don't know much about Sweden, however, there are friendly people and charming that I yearn for the local customs and practices. Has been to Sweden, in Sweden for a period of time has become a dream, I like sweden. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.82.36.109 ( talk) 10:30, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
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"The Swedish name Sverige (a compound of the words Svea and Rike ..." - Almost, 'rige' is the Danish word for 'rike'/'kingdom'. 85.229.49.144 ( talk) 15:35, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
The US has a separation between domestic "law enforcement" and the enforcement of US law elsewhere, particularly by the military in which the US Supreme Court lacks complete jurisdiction (I believe this civil/military difference derives from English law). Does Sweden have this civil/military law enforcement dictonomy? Can and does Sweden submit civilians to military justice? Can and does Sweden (always?) submit soldiers to civilian justice? Int21h ( talk) 05:13, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
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Being a middle aged Swede with a liking for traditional cooking, I have attended more than 70 crayfish parties. Some of them have taken place in restaurants, some in the homes of friends and relatives. Some have been in western Sweden and some in the east. Most of them have been in August, but some have been at other times of the year. I would say that I personally have experienced most varieties of crayfish party. Never -- not once! -- have I been served potatoes with the crayfish. The source of starch (starch is never omitted in a Swedish meal) at every crayfish party is bread. Always bread. No potatoes, no dumplings, no pasta, no couscous, no rice, but always bread. The article needs to be updated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:6B0:1:1041:C5AA:FF7B:1008:D5B8 ( talk) 10:53, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
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I don't know what happened here. Was this article written by Swedes or those who idolize Sweden? Where is all the balanced coverage here? Rates of divorce? Drug/alcohol problems? Leading causes of death? What Swedish television shows are watched, how do they compare to foreign programs? Seasonal depression? Patriotism and national pride? Perception of Sweden by foreigners (international perception)? Cultural uniformity? Bod ( talk) 08:26, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
The article states that the official name of the country is "Kingdom of Sweden". I'm not saying this is wrong, but I am curious about where this is stated? Who decides it and where does it say so? At present there is no source provided about this that I can see. I'm a Swedish speaker myself and I've checked Regeringsformen, which is part the part of the constitution I would expect to find something about it, but didn't find anything at all about the name of the country there. Does anyone know? Yakikaki ( talk) 20:45, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
I would argue that it's a matter of interpretation in comparison to USA outside of Alaska. Much of Alaska is colder generally but across the continental U.S. only a few places would more fit the definition. It says "For example, central and southern Sweden has much milder winters than many parts of Russia, Canada, and the northern United States." An alternative way could be "For example, central and southern Sweden has much milder winters than many parts of Russia, Canada, ToggGrogg ( talk) 20:21, 3 May 2016 (UTC) Alaska and some parts of northern continental U.S." [1] The source I'm citing is certainly a matter of interpretation because it depends where you draw the line on central Sweden and even then since it's on a much smaller scale.
Also importantly here's a map from SMHI(Sveriges metrologiska och hydrologiska institut) Sweden's meteorological and hydrological institute over the average temperature in January. Not counting "Low" either. http://www.smhi.se/polopoly_fs/1.3975.1398236974!/image/p35.png_gen/derivatives/Original_1004px/p35.png There's a problem because what do we define central Sweden as? The geographical mid point, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/SWE-Map_Mittpunkt.svg/255px-SWE-Map_Mittpunkt.svg.png or the historical? https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svealand#/media/File:Sverigekarta-Landsdelar_Svealand.svg If we go by the geographical and by looking at the average temperature by SMHI I could certainly argue that large parts is incorrect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ToggGrogg ( talk • contribs) 21:59, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
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The last paragraph says people in Sweden call themselves "Christian", which is probably intended to portray Swedes as being increasingly religious. It is not something that suits Wikipedia, though, as it refers to only one academics work, which is not even a statistically significant study. It is qualitative research, consisting of interviews with a few respondents. I have therefore removed the first sentence and rephrased the other. /2016-05-04
EDIT: Apparently the article is locked from editing. Somebody that are allowed to edit it should do it. The work referred to is in itself referred to from an article. It doesn't really say anything about who Zuckerman interviewed - age, sex, location - and he interviewed both Swedes and Danes. Older people would definitely say they are Christian to a more extent than younger or middle-aged. To say that Swedes are "Christian" in the sense they believe there is a god, one sole entity, is frankly not true. /2016-05-04
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There is a typo in the word "elected" in this section Administrative divisions (the section link doesn't seem to work so here is the exact section /info/en/?search=Sweden#Administrative_divisions )
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The latest census shows a total population of 9 875 378 people, yet the introduction summary says 9,8 million people. Should this not be rounded to 9,9 million people? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fraktion ( talk • contribs) 19:33, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
I've rewritten the paragraph about ferries in the Transport section because it felt a little disorganised. While doing so, I've replaced the multitude of individual links for each ferry route (mostly in Swedish) with one link to a site that shows all routes by all operators. I hope this is ok - if not, I've no objection to re-instate the individual links but it seems a little clunky to me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cedris ( talk • contribs) 17:16, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
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1. The table of membership in the Church of Sweden needs 2016's numbers added: Citizens: 9 995 153 Members: 6 116 480 Percentage of population: 61,2%
2. The reference to 2015's member percent in paragraph 4 needs to be changed to 2016's. "At the end of 2015, 63.2% of Swedes belonged to the Church of Sweden..." > "At the end of 2016, 61.2% of Swedes belonged to the Church of Sweden..."
I'd also recommend mentioning the record high drop of members in 2016: Almost twice the amount of members leaving in 2015 left in 2016. See: http://www.di.se/nyheter/rekordtapp-for-svenska-kyrkan/
3. The last paragraph's last sentence says: "This is evidenced by the fact that around 70% of adults continue to remain members of the Swedish Church[229] despite having to pay a church tax; moreover, rates of baptism remain high and church weddings are increasing.[228]"
I think the whole paragraph is nonsense. I suspect it was put on Wikipedia not as an objective fact but to make readers believe Swedes being reluctant to the words "atheist" or "atheism", and by that indirectly believers/Christians. Mr Phil Zuckerman did not interview more than 150 persons! And he interviewed both Swedes and Danes, so there's no statistical significance to his findings whatsoever. His study is qualitative research on at most 149 Swedes and is therefore not at all relevant here. ("Zuckerman formally interviewed nearly 150 Danes and Swedes of all ages and educational backgrounds over the course of fourteen months." https://www.amazon.com/Society-without-God-Religious-Contentment/dp/0814797237)
However the one who edits this sees what I've written above, the "around 70%" should be changed to "around 60%". (A drop in membership of 8.8% doesn't show anything in the veins of what the last paragraph wants to make us think is true though.)
For the statistics, see the Church of Sweden's own webpage: https://www.svenskakyrkan.se/statistik
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When I click on any of the links on this page, they go to an offensive website. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elizabeth Lee Goodman ( talk • contribs)
Wasn't of significance. Perhaps during the House of Folkunga (Folkungaätten), but that was a different country with it's base at Götaland. It's correct that etnicity of the Monach doesn't matter, but for instance Albreckt af Mecklenburg ruled in league with the Hanseatic League. He was put at the thrown for the Hanseatics. That's of importance. Further Sweden was a part of the Kalmar Union for some 120-125 years (or ruled by the Hanseatics), and this must be reflected as well. The Kalmar Union, invented by Queen Margaretha, was an attempt to make Scandinavia stronger, so it could resist the Hanseatic League. And this isn't about nationalism and patriotism. But facts. Gustav Vasa founded today's Sweden. The Empire was founded by Gustav II Adolf, during his continental struggle for the Reformation in the Thirty Year's War. Other expansions were at "Scandinavian level" only. This is essential history. And also an article on Sweden calls for a global perspective. (Not a perspective limited to how Mälardalen see things) Boeing720 ( talk) 13:16, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
A Swedish independent state emerged during the 12:th and 13:th Century.
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Official minority/regional languages are always mentioned in the box of country articles in English Wikipedia. This article doesn`t make an exemption. Velivieras ( talk) 20:04, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
Official minority languages were added by Velivieras ( talk · contribs) in the main part of the infobox, but then removed again by Sjö ( talk · contribs), without writing any explanation. Both those edits were bad, the second because there was no explanation whatsoever – all edits must have good explanations, and especially if you undo an edit that is clearly in good faith. I myself was about to remove the first change as well, but with an actual explanation. The explanation why the first change is not good is that the languages are already mentioned in note c. With the edit, there is a conflict between note c and the new text – you can't have both of them. So either we should keep note c with only Swedish mentioned under Languages, or we should change note c and move what is written in the note up in the Languages field. It doesn't make sense to do only one of them, as Velivieras did, and which was probably the reason for Sjö's revert. Please keep the original status of the article until a consensus has been reached here. -- Jhertel ( talk) 17:07, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
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the only thing i ask is to add the creator of the article Kider2005 ( talk) 14:55, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
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please change ((Finnish)) to ((Finnish language|Finnish)) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:541:4304:E6B0:218:8BFF:FE74:FE4F ( talk • contribs)
According to 2 international approved organisations, Sweden is on 15th place in GDP per capita. Press in the text on (17th) and then look at the lists. 2/3 says 15th. Recommend you to change Trustweep ( talk) 17:38, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
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Look, just dumping a bunch of trivia in an article, and asking others to do your work for you is bad enough, but some of the stuff is outright wrong. The whole 86% taxation nonsense, sourced to an op-ed and a think tank? Not what it says. Per WP:BRD, kindly self-revert and start discussing the sources and how they should be used if at all. It's pretty obvious that you're POV-pushing and think you're righting great wrongs, so I'll ignore your repeated cries of censorship. Ratatosk Jones ( talk) 17:16, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
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I might get topic-banned soon, so I would greatly appreciate if somebody could please determine which of the following references that are relevant, and then add them. Thank you.
According to the Swedish police department, there are 53 socially vulnerable areas in the country, of which the ones wherein they have lost control of crime and religious extremism recently increased from 15 to 23. [1] [2] [3]
According to the National Security Survey (NTU) for 2017, the amount of women in Sweden subjected to sexually related crimes in a year has tripled between 2012 and 2016. Only 11% of those surveyed stated that they have reported the crimes to the police. [4]
In the survey for 2016, 140000 depicted incidents could have been severe enough to be considered attempted or completed sexual coercion or rape, compared to 97000 in the previous year. [5]
Only 8% of all reported rapes in Sweden 2017 have been handled by the police. [6]
According to the Swedish police department, the use of hand-grenades in Sweden among criminals is the highest in the world for countries not currently at war. [7]
Twice as many have been killed by gun violence in Sweden 2017 compared to 2016. [8] and there has been an average of one criminal gang shooting every day. [9]
According to Dagens Nyheter, at least 90% of all murders and attempted murders through gun violence in Sweden are performed by either immigrants or those with at least one immigrant parent. [10]
According to Expressen, 94.5% of all members of career criminal gangs in Stockholm, Sweden, are either immigrants or have at least one immigrant parent. [11]
A report from the safety officer of the severe crime division of the Swedish police department described their situation as unsustainable, with officers that are near their breaking points from stress and pressure. [12]
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If it helps, this article interviews the criminologist Felipe Estrada about the NTU survey results: [54] David A ( talk) 18:40, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
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Sweden doesn't have 21 counties anymore. It only has 20 this year.
This line should be changed: chaired by the prime minister. Sweden is a unitary state, currently divided into 21 counties
Remove "21 counties" and change it for "20 counties"
This can be verified here: https://skl.se/tjanster/englishpages/municipalitiescountycouncilsandregions.1088.html They are The Swedish Association of Local Authorities and Regions (Governmental) George777Jackson ( talk) 20:22, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
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I added a dubous tag to the followng meaning in the lead:
This is a strong statement that lack references. I suspect the writer must have got this from a nationalist historiography similarly to what is teached at Swedish schools. I suggest that either this phrase get a really got source, or it is deleted or transformed into a more soft statement. Lappspira ( talk) 00:09, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
Olof Skötkonung was the first king of unified Sweden, ruling both the Swedes and Geats. His reign was 995–1022, so why does the info box give the date of "A unified Swedish kingdom established" as "the early 12th century"? Swedish Wikipedia also says ~1000. Retardednamingpolicy ( talk) 08:11, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
The emergence of the Sweden prison system occurred during 1810 to 1840 when the number of prisoners quadrupled. This caused overcrowding and violence as prisoners were packed into old fortresses, jails and workhouses. During this period, there was a lot of discussion with the goal of bringing about reforms in the system. One of the most prominent supporters of prison reform in Sweden was the Crown Prince Oscar, who wrote a highly received work about the new system that was translated into several languages. Eventually this led to the Parliament to grant money for the construction of the first Swedish penitentiaries, resulting in about 45 nearly identical regional institutions of the Philadelphia model. 5 of those prisons contained a large number of the cells that were intended for prisoners in solitary confinement. Sweden saw the Philadelphia system as the more profound and sincere system when it came to reforming criminals while also referring to its deterrent effects [1]. After being reorganized in 1998, Sweden’s prison system today is that unites the three branches of prison, probation service and remand prison. In this new organization of the prison and probation service, all personnel are believed to manage both help and control. This concept can be referred to as “caring power”, a term coined by Dutch researchers Annemieke van Drenth and Francisca de Haan. This essentially explains that it is exercised with kindness and in a spirit of doing what is best for the person in need of help. This combination of help and control is very prevalent in corrections services as punishment and discipline require control and the ideology in society asks for help for the disadvantaged. [2] . Strattonp96 ( talk) 14:22, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
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I have removed the claim that "Swedish elderly live under the by far greatest poverty in the Nordic countries, with 355000 below the poverty line"
since it's not what the sources say. What the sources say is that 328,000 pensioners have an income of less than 60% of the EU median income, and thus, according to the EU, risk poverty (an EU measure of "risk for
relative poverty" that at current rates of exchange is equivalent to USD ~16,000 per year for a single person, or about 35% higher than the poverty line in the US...), it does not say that they live in actual poverty... - Tom |
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A significant event in Swedish history, the Swedish famine of 1867–1869, does not have a link in this article. Under "Modern history", the image illustrating the famine in northern Sweden links to the Finnis famine in 1866-68, not to the Swedish famine of 1867–1869. The Great Famine of 1695–1697 also lacks a link further up the article, even though it is mentioned. -- 92.35.226.13 ( talk) 13:22, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
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In the part of the article where the military is discussed, the article is written in future tense, i. e. that conscription will start in 2018. Since it is now 2019, this has to be changed into past tense. Stora Kogha ( talk) 10:19, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
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Under "Religion", add statistics for 2017: Population: 10 120 242 Members: 6 008 356 Percentage: 59,4 Source: last page of https://www.svenskakyrkan.se/default.aspx?id=1739019
Hence, change the sentence "At the end of 2016, 61.2% of Swedes belonged to the Church of Sweden..." to "At the end of 2017, 59.4% of Swedes..."
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noi discussion of xenophobia and racism which is a big problem for foreigners in sweden.
@ Mechanical Keyboarder: Many countries have two versions of their name, one short and one long, e.g. Sweden and the Kingdom of Sweden. In the case of Sweden, the short name version is widely used, e.g. on the Swedish government's web site. As far as i understand, both name versions are official names. In order to distinguish the two versions from one another, the United Nations Group of Experts on Geographical Names (UNGEGN) calls the short version the short name and the longer version the formal name. Please see: http://unstats.un.org/unsd/geoinfo/geonames/ That's why I changed officially to formally on March 8, 2019. Besides, the Swedish foreign office (Utrikesdepartementet) also bases its nomenclature on UN usage and has published the Foreign namebook (Utrikes namnbok). In that, they also denote the Kingdom of Sweden to be the formal name. -- K1812 ( talk) 12:28, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
You might be interested in checking the versions predating april 2019. 102.98.25.45 ( talk) 21:34, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
Since 2003, the use of spaces as separators has been officially endorsed by SI/ISO 31-0 standard, as well as by the International Bureau of Weights and Measures and the International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry (IUPAC), the American Medical Association's widely followed AMA Manual of Style, and the Metrication Board, among others. So ... Can anyone sober (I'm not) fix this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.64.113.107 ( talk) 00:33, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
This is, in my opinion, unclear wording.
As per Statistics Sweden, 2.5 million have what would be termed a "full" foreign background, where either the child or both parents are born abroad, and an additional 0.77 million have a partial foreign background, where one parent is born in Sweden and another abroad. The definition of the unqualified term changed in 2003, from referring to a partial foreign background to a "full" foreign background.
An international reader can not be expected to be familiar with this nuance, and I can't seem to find any English-language sources on it. Thus, I would like to suggest that this wording be changed to something along the lines of note d, so as to not imply that the remainder (7.8 million) have no foreign background at all, which would be a misleading claim.
In case this is considered misleading, I would like to propose the following somewhat verbose but accurate description:
"Sweden has a total population of 10.3 million, of which 3.3 million (35%) have a full or partial foreign background, with those of a full foreign background (2.3 million, 25%), defined as being either born abroad or having two such parents, constituting the largest share of this group"
Another approach would be to keep the current wording, but add another reference to note d for further clarification.
Furthermore, note d should be updated. The statistics from December 2012 ("approximately 27% of the population had a full or partial foreign background") are no longer accurate, and more recent statistics are readily available.
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Please change the coat of arms of Sweden in the table - the one shown is not the coat of arms of Sweden, it is the coat of arms used by the princes, princesses and the government, and should be replaced by the "Great Coat of Arms", which is used by Their Majesties and the state of Sweden. ( /info/en/?search=Coat_of_arms_of_Sweden#/media/File:Great_coat_of_arms_of_Sweden.svg) Vidar.gustafsson ( talk) 14:29, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
The Swedish "Sverige" can also be pronounced as /svɛrjɛ/. [1] Should this be mentioned anywhere? Geolodus ( talk) 16:40, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
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Change "Kalmar fortress" to "Kalmar Castle".
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Could you please add /ˈswiːdn/ ? 85.193.247.94 ( talk) 02:20, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
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The figure of people in the Church of Sweden in the infobox to the right is wrong. It says 60.2% but it should be 57.3 according to the section Religion in the same page: /info/en/?search=Sweden#Religion 83.53.182.122 ( talk) 23:29, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
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The Vegetation section is strangely focused on the cultivation of spruce, with some mentioning other trees. Non-woody plants are not even mentioned. The distribution of tree species is largely flawed, see e.g. Hultens atlas (maps shown in denvirtuellafloran). Rowan occurs throughout Sweden, holly only occurred on one island off the west coast and is now extinct, etc. Bogs, covering over 10 % of the country, are not mentioned, neither is alpine vegetation, or seashores or lakes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.12.56.71 ( talk) 08:32, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
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Change loaned to borrowed. Terencerex ( talk) 23:14, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
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Hello,
I see under the subject Vikings in the article of Sweden nothing about Frisia. in this article Frisian history underneath the subject 'kingdom of Frisia,' you can read that Vikings were also settled in Frisia in the 840s.
I would like to see an edit of the map and text.
(p.s. I am new here)
Thanks, FryskeKriger — Preceding unsigned comment added by FryskeKriger ( talk • contribs) 13:35, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
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I think there's a typo in the second last paragraph in Politics -> Administrative divisions -> each county administrative board(s) Danilosf ( talk) 00:25, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
We need something about Ikea STAT. — Preceding unsigned comment added by User 5643 ( talk • contribs) 04:10, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
Sweden participates in war in Afghanistan and occupation of this country - how does it agree with neutral status? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.165.173.131 ( talk) 13:56, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
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I request that following this sentence 'Every fourth (24.9%) resident in the country has immigrant background and every third (32.3%) has at least one parent born abroad.' in the 'Demographics' section, this be added: "Half (49.5%) of people born abroad were born in a Western country, defined as Europe, the Americas and Australia." Source: http://www.statistikdatabasen.scb.se/pxweb/sv/ssd/START__BE__BE0101__BE0101E/FodelselandArK/ (tool)
I also request that: 'There are no official statistics on ethnicity, but according to Statistics Sweden, around 3,311,312 (32.3%) inhabitants of Sweden were of a foreign background in 2018, defined as being born abroad or born in Sweden with at least one parent born abroad.' be changed to "There are no official statistics on ethnicity, but according to Statistics Sweden, around 2,634,967 (25.5%) inhabitants were of a foreign background in 2018, defined as being born abroad or born in Sweden with parents born abroad." since the definition for foreign background in the article is arbitrary and not the same as the Swedish Bureau of Statistics, SCB. People with one parent born in Sweden and another abroad are incorrectly counted as having a foreign background in the article. Source: (Swedish) https://www.statistikdatabasen.scb.se/pxweb/sv/ssd/START__BE__BE0101__BE0101Q/UtlSvBakgGrov/table/tableViewLayout1/)
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There seem to be drastically different claims for what percentage of the population follows Islam in Sweden from page to page and even from section to section of some pages. For example, in the infobox on this page it states the percentage following Islam in Sweden in 2017 to be 5.0%, whereas on the page Religion in Sweden it states the figure to be 8.1% for the same year. The page Islam in Sweden also states the figure for 2017 as 8.1%. In the Religion section of this page the percentage of those following Islam for the next year (2018) is stated to be 1.9%. It seems highly unlikely the population of those following Islam fell by around 6% in one year. I understand these statistics were recorded by different organisations but there still seems to be very large differences over very short periods of time. I think we should either seek more up to date statistics or at least make the figure more consistent across articles and articles sections, or just further explain/detail why such different figures may have been recorded. To summarise the articles and sections I'm referring to that need to be more consistent and/or detailed: the infobox of this page and the Religion section of this page, the pages Religion in Sweden and Islam in Sweden. Helper201 ( talk) 18:18, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
Was asked to bring this up on the talk page. Just going to mention that the actual numbers are not in dispute, the dispute would be whether they are worth including in the infobox. I added statistics on how many of the people of "foreign background" were foreign-born and the five countries from where most of them came. I feel it's important because with 25 % of foreign background, certain people will immediately jump to the far-right "Islam is overrunning Sweden" narrative, when two of the largest groups of immigrants are Finns and Poles.
Also, as some of you may be aware, ethnicity is a contested subject in Sweden. Are there reliable/official sources that use the term "Swedish background" and "foreign background"? "Swedish background" needs to be defined - it clearly disregards children of immigrants, despite them also being born in Sweden. Though they are relatively few in number, I also feel like it is an oversight to not include statistics on the actual officially recognized minority groups in Sweden; Jews, Romani people, Sweden Finns, Sámi people, and Tornedalians. Ichthyovenator ( talk) 17:13, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
Sweden was directly involved in World War II. Without the Swedish iron ore Germany's war effort would have collapsed in 1940. ( 86.132.155.226 ( talk) 13:10, 28 February 2021 (UTC))
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In the middle of the 17th century, Sweden was the third-largest country in Europe by land area, surpassed by only Russia and Spain. Sweden reached its largest territorial extent under the rule of Charles X after the treaty of Roskilde in 1658, following Charles X's risky but successful crossing of the Danish Belts.[64][65] The foundation of Sweden's success during this period is credited to Gustav I's major changes to the Swedish economy in the 16th century and his introduction of Protestantism.[66] In the 17th century, Sweden was engaged in many wars, for example with the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth, with both sides competing for territories of today's Baltic states, with the disastrous Battle of Kircholm being one of the highlights.[67] One-third of the Finnish population died in the devastating Great Famine of 1695–1697 that struck the country.[68] Famine also hit Sweden, killing roughly 10% of Sweden's population.[69]
The date of the Battle of Kircholm should be added as the article makes it look like it was near the end of the 17th century qith the famine, while in reality, it was in 1605 Carolean Penguin ( talk) 15:11, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
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I think under the head "Administrative divisions" it should read in the penultimate paragraph: "Each county administrative board (not: boards) is led ..." perhaps somebody who is entitled to edit would like to correct it? Dan Elin ( talk) 01:57, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
Magdalena Andersson officialy replaced Stefan Löfven as the swedish PM on the 24th of November. 88.89.238.243 ( talk) 14:47, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
Andersson doesn't officially take office as Prime Minister until November 26. [1] -- TylerBurden ( talk) 15:27, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
The speaker appoints the prime minister. It may not make sense to everyone but it is how it works in Sweden
https://www.riksdagen.se/sv/sa-funkar-riksdagen/talmannen/talmannens-uppdrag/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lirae22 ( talk • contribs) 16:12, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
Why is there a section regarding crime filed under Demographics? This does not appear to be standard procedure for country pages. Seems it should be moved to the Politics chapter, and possibly merged with the section on Judicial system. 193.150.216.5 ( talk) 23:38, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
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At the end of the paragraph "Language" is written:
This is wrong. There are three continental North Germanic languages – Swedish, Norwegian, Danish. These are the Scandinavian languages. Icelandic and Faroese are the insular North Germanic languages. The article "North Germanic languages" is full of this term "Continental Scandinavian". It might be used a lot elsewhere but it's nonsense, as Scandinavia isn't islands in the ocean but a part of continental Europe. Calling Faroese and Icelandic anything+Scandinavian is nonsensical too, as the Scandinavian languages are quite distantly related to old Scandinavian and Faroese+Icelandic. It'd make more sense to call Swedish, Norwegian and Danish "Continental Insular-North Germanic" as S-N-D are descendants of dialects/languages which resemble modern Faroese and Icelandic.
So ... please stick to scientific sense (people are fallible) and write it out as it is: Continental North Germanic; Insular North Germanic (or if you must: Continental Nordic and Insular Nordic. Faroese and Icelanders don't see them selves as Scandinavians (and they really aren't, albeit their cultures obviously are related). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.175.5.176 ( talk) 11:29, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
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However gun violence in Sweden (Swedish: skjutningar or gängskjutningar) has increased steeply among males aged 15 to 29 in the two decades prior to 2018, in addition to a rising trend in gun violence there was also a high rate of gun violence in Sweden compared to other countries in Western Europe. [2]
By 2021, gun violence by crime gangs had increased tenfold since the early 1990s. [3]
According to a report published by academic researchers in 2017, shooting incidents with fatal outcomes are about 4 to 5 times as common in Sweden compared to neighbouring countries such as Germany and Norway when taking population size into account. The city with the highest prevalence of shootings was Malmö. [4] Based on 33 per cent of the population (2017), 58 per cent of those suspect for total crime on reasonable grounds are migrants. Regarding murder, manslaughter and attempted murder, the figures are 73 per cent, while the proportion of robbery is 70 per cent. Non-registered migrants are linked to about 13 per cent of total crime. Given the fact that this group is small, crime propensity among non-registered migrants is significant. [5] Policynerd3212 ( talk) 18:55, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
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I believe they supplied mostly iron ore, not refined steel to Nazi Germany ... this should be corrected. And also referenced. 50.111.1.101 ( talk) 04:35, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
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In the crime section it states: "Violence (both lethal and non-lethal) has been on a downward trend the last 25 years."
It cites the following source: https://www.government.se/articles/2017/02/facts-about-migration-and-crime-in-sweden/
However this source does not(!) mention anything regarding a downward trend in violence. In fact it states the opposite in regards to, for example, gun crime. Furthermore statistics from Brå's (The Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention) shows the exact opposite trend. Lethal violence has doubled since 2012: https://bra.se/bra-in-english/home/crime-and-statistics/murder-and-manslaughter.html
I propose the following changes: Violence ( both lethal violence and non-lethal) has increased since 2012. Lethal violence has nearly doubled. In 2020, 124 cases of lethal violence were confirmed in Sweden compared to 68 cases in 2012.
Sources: https://bra.se/bra-in-english/home/crime-and-statistics/murder-and-manslaughter.html https://bra.se/bra-in-english/home/crime-and-statistics/violence-and-assault.html https://d-nb.info/1161810137/34 https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Lethal-and-non-lethal-gun-victimization-rates-per-100-000-inhabitants-in-Sweden-1996-to_fig2_324992753 Policynerd3212 ( talk) 11:43, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
(Response not only to the request above but also to other edits by Policynerd3212): I don't oppose the removal of "Violence (both lethal and non-lethal) has been on a downward trend the last 25 years" (and have not added it back), not do I necessarily oppose the inclusion of more up-to-date statistics on crime or the percentage of the Swedish population that is muslim. I do however feel that this is a bit of a strange combination and I believe contested, controversial and politically charged issues such as this needs nuance and objectivity. I oppose adding that 8.1 % of the population is "documented" to be muslim when this is just one of the possible estimates (adding it as an estimate is fine, but it would also be good if it was accompanied with other estimates and that there are no official statistics, and perhaps if the media reaction to the study was mentioned). I also feel that these edits are politically motivated, not only given the removal of Adamson's ideological framework but also given the information in the edit request above and the content of the edits. This page was cited for an overall increase in crime, which is correct, but no mention was made of it also showing an ongoing decrease since 2018/2019. That hate crimes rooted in racism and other causes are also up was also never suggested to be added or edited in. This is a complex area and just adding in the statistics that support a certain narrative, without any comment, is IMO not the way to go. Ichthyovenator ( talk) 02:42, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
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--> "You just dropped some crime statistics in there without any commentary on them." I presented the statistics neutrally and clearly. You have not added anything of substance which changes the substance of the section since my edit.
--> "the issue is in how you used [the statistics] them (what information you used, what information you didn't use etc), this should be obvious from everything else I said. You claimed that there's been a constant increase, while we're currently seeing a decrease." This is inaccurate. Over the last 10 years we have seen a significant increase in crime in Sweden and the trend has been going up. Your argument is like saying that climate change isn't real, because on a year by year basis the temperature sometimes has gone down compared to the previous year. But you have to look at larger period of time to call it a 'trend'. Otherwise it is just an outlier. Ask any scientist.
--> "not a single data point" Yes, it is a single yearly datapoint. Compared to the overall data/picture looking at the last 10 years. Picking one year out is cherry-picking data.
--> "I find it suspicious that your focus is on only adding statistics on crime and the muslim population." You are the only one connecting the muslim demographic and crime. As BA.scient.pol myself I am interested in data. Therefore I have updated significantly out-dated data on the Swedish page. These are separate edits. Come from reliable sources and have nothing to do with each other.
--> With regards to the Göransson and Sarnecki edit, You are implying a bias for one and at the same omit Sarnecki, who is himself a controversial expert in the field. This is problematic. To me this seems like you are trying to give weight to one expert and discredit the other instead of presenting them both neutrally. Policynerd3212 ( talk) 20:28, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
"I'm pointing out that you've aggressively added tenditious statistics in regard to both - that is a concerning pattern and I think you understand why."
--> I have not 'aggressively' added anything 'tenditious'. I have presented the data as is. There has been a decline in sexual crimes since 2017, but over the last 10 year we have certainly seen quite an increase in crime in general. Which I wrote in the original edit. The edit was meant to made update the section as it previously stated: "Violence (both lethal and non-lethal) has been on a downward trend the last 25 years." When the exact opposite was true.
--> I further find it weird that you object to demographic insight from Pewresearch. But yes we certainly need an outside party to weigh in. Policynerd3212 ( talk) 22:12, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
--> 1. I am relatively content with the crime section as it stands now. I think Ichthyovenator in general added useful details, so I have no substantial objections. Although I would add that the decrease in 2020 probably is most likely due to corona-restrictions. Source: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33072489/ and https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-021-01139-z. I
--> 2. I would also remove the ideological position of Adam Göransson. If we are adding idiological/political positions of experts such as Adam Göransson, we should also add it for all other social scientists. Jerzy Sarnecki for example has been criticized, by among else, experts and journalists from SVT, the national Swedish broadcasting company and others, for stating opinions on crime which are not based on data. But there is no information on this on the page. To me this seems like you are trying to give weight to one expert and discredit the other instead of presenting them both neutrally. But Ichthyovenator seems to be fine with adding this, so maybe there is no dispute here?
--> 3. I do not understand why the added information on religion is all that controversial if these are the facts from a reliable sources. Certainly the muslim population isn't under 2% as the section stated previously. Ichthyovenator seems to think, that I am trying to link crime and religion together (and thus that this datapoint is implicitly racist/xenophobic), and that this why he objects to this information being updated. But neither the crime section nor the religion section link religion to crime. These are separate sections on different subjects. Policynerd3212 ( talk) 09:17, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
1. I do not believe in rewriting a whole section which multiple different people have contributed to. As I said I am content with the crime section as it stands now including your previous edits, but I would simply add that the decrease in 2020 is most likely due to corona-restrictions. And I would remove the political stance of the respective experts.
2. If you have other reliable sources which disputes the figure, you can add it. But 8,1% is probably a low estimate anyway given the continued influx of immigration from muslim majority countries (due to familiy-re-unification) since the estimate was made. Policynerd3212 ( talk) 10:33, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
@ Ichthyovenator and Policynerd3212: I am reading your responses and the sources. I can see this is going to be difficult, so I hope you will both be able compromise a little. Pious Brother ( talk) 04:26, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
Sources: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/imig.12520 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/S00148-017-0636-1 Policynerd3212 ( talk) 20:03, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
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The date is dd/mm/yy and not yy/mm/dd Jwiw8 ( talk) 18:09, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- "% muslim population needs to be seriously updated -- last source citation was from 2018; it needs to be reflected in the demographics section -- pie chart (often the only thing people look at) as it is well over 1.2% cited" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.69.148.34 ( talk) 16:56, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
I don't believe this article needs the TOOLONG tag. It's sizeable, but to be expected for a country that has been around for a couple thousand years. It's well sectioned off and not superfluous. Lindsey40186 ( talk) 23:50, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
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The "GDP (PPP) Total" and "GDP (nominal) Total" numbers in the right hand side panel should have decimal dots in them, not commas. 176.10.136.227 ( talk) 16:26, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
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Minor edit: update to modern terminology
In the section "Government and politics", subsection "Constitutional framework", there is a reference to Swedish regional self-administration. In the text the outdated terms "regional COUNTY council" and "landsting" are used. The Swedish County Councils (sv: landsting) were formally renamed "regions" (sv. regioner) a few years back. I suggest updating the text to follow new terminology as follows, or similar:
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local authorities:[e] the latter include regional County Councils (Swedish: landsting)
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local authorities:[e] the latter include Regional Councils (Swedish: regioner)
The Wikipedia main article "Regions of Sweden" seems to have it all right, and also refers to official sources that are likely sufficient to support my claim.
Thanks for doing a good job, and best regards! LJLiman ( talk) 06:53, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
There seems to be a editor here who strongly thinks that ethnicity in Sweden does not exist, or thinks that Swedish-background =/= Swedish. This is weird. Looking at other articles of Western Countries (Denmark, Finland, Norway, Netherlands, Austria, Switzerland, Belgium, France, Luxembourg, Iceland, Spain, Portugal), they have the ethnicity statistics and percentages based on immigrants/country of origin/background/nationality, as they do not keep statistics on ethnicity.
Country of origin/background country is linked with ethnicity. Even a report by the Swedish police which examines ethnicity in Sweden uses the countries of origin as data (see https://www.regeringen.se/49bb9b/contentassets/7d4b40eebdc34df5929113cf2b0879a5/del-2-katastrofbranden-i-goteborg-drabbade---medier---myndigheter). So, is that wrong? If so, then all those other articles should be changed to delete any mention of ethnicity as they are based on similar statistics that Sweden has that apparently are not suitable for the ”ethnicity section”. That would mean changing a dozen articles. If not change those, then why are the statistics not suitable for Sweden but are for other countries? Where is the consistency?
I don’t want a edit war so I’m not going to edit it for now. All I want is discussion. Just saying ”don’t edit it anymore” isn’t enough. Finlandestonia ( talk) 11:57, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
Would changing it to describe nationality be better? Like in the France article? (Also the report was from the Swedish government not the police) Finlandestonia ( talk) 12:07, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
Well the official Statistcial Central Bureau has statistics on country of origin which I did in fact reference. Is that a good enough source to put under ”nationality”? Finlandestonia ( talk) 12:23, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
Also don’t agree that I cherrypicked the countries. While not all Western European countries have that statistic (like Germany), most do (the exception being Italy, UK and Ireland, the latter two having their own ethnicity statistics. All other Western European countries use the country of origin statistics as base for ethnicity (but I agree nationality sounds better fit) Finlandestonia ( talk) 12:25, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
I would like to add that we have previously had a discussion on this topic where TylerBurden insisted on not updating a 5 year old section and keeping a lot of incorrect information as well as deleting relevant updates. I think Finlandestonia and/or others should update the section as it desperately needs a new rewrite given the 1 + million immigrants which have come to Sweden over the last decade (with a population of just 10 million). Furthermore nationality of the immigrants/refugees is very relevant to an immigration section which is why most country pages has added these. Policynerd3212 ( talk) 21:33, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
In the first sentence this “lots of lakes” bit has such an imprecise and casual tone, can it be changed to “an abundance of lakes” or something of the sort at the very least? 2601:283:4400:5A:E500:C180:DF42:3D3C ( talk) 08:24, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
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The map for this country has recently been changed to a format which is not standard for Wikipedia. Each and every other country identifies that country alone on a contintental or global map; none of them highlight other members of relevant regional blocs or other states which which that country has political or constitutional links. The EU is no different in this respect unless and until it becomes a formal state and replaces all other states which are presently members; the progress and constitutional status of the EU can be properly debated and identified on the page for that organisation; to include other members of the EU on the infobox map for this country is both non-standard and potentially POV.
Please support me in maitaining Sweden's proper map (in Wikipedia standard) until we here have debated and agreed this issue? Who is for changing the map and who against? The onus is on those who would seek to digress from Wiki standard to show why a non-standard and potentially POV map should be used. Sweden deserves no less! JamesAVD 15:30, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
This user has decided to remove references to the EU from the page of every member state. See his talk page for more details. yandman 15:32, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
The users above are misrepresnting my actions. Certain non-standard items have been included in the infoboxes of the pages of some European states. I have removed the undiscussed and unsupported changes and started a discussion here on the best way forward. I have in no way 'removed references to the EU'! The EU is an important part of the activities of the governmenance of many European states, to the benefit of all. That does not mean that an encyclopedia should go around presenting potentially POV information of the constitutional status of the EU in the infoboxes of states which are supposed to be standardised across Wikipedia. I'm interested in what users here feel? Please feel free to comment at any of the various pages Yandman might suggest. JamesAVD 15:53, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, — MJCdetroit 20:27, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
I am currently in the first year of secondary school and i have not seen any Norwegian so far. Is this info wrong? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.238.233.27 ( talk • contribs)
"The school in its teaching of Swedish should aim to ensure that pupils:(...)develop their ability to understand spoken and written Norwegian and Danish, and become familiar with the literature, languages and language situation in the whole of the Nordic area, including minority languages in Sweden" 90.228.227.16 16:45, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
There's no Norwegian taught in school but if you read Svenska B in the gymnasium there is a (simple) text in either Danish or Norwegian every year.
The intro text currently reads:
I have two problems with this:
KarlXII 12:45, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
its probably talking about the strong middle class instead of people being really rich or really poor. also sweden has a good welfare, education, and healthcare system. also used to promote womens and minority rights. i dont know if that will continue though with the right wing in power.
Actually Finland was the first country to detect the radiation but Finland did not publish it until there had been an radiation alarm and shutdown of a nuclear plant in Sweden. -- 128.214.182.110 11:32, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
The article included a sentence claiming that the state and labor union controlled pension funds controlled 50% of all "capital" in Sweden. It has been removed. The reasons are:
KarlXII 12:49, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
You might be looking for the term public or listed equity? A —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.241.116.2 ( talk) 08:45, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Sources are not cited for this statement, which I think is highly improbable. Even though, for it's population size, Sweden has produced a large number of internationally successful artists (pop or otherwise), it does not PRODUCE more music than countries of much higher populations such as Germany, France, Japan, Canada, Australia, Spain, Italy or even India for that matter! It can be argued, however, that per capita, Sweden has exported more artists that have gained worldwide fame in the pop music realm than per se, Russia, Ukraine, Hungary or Portugal, all of which have larger populations, which is an extraordinary achievement. It has also been far more successful than any of the other Scandinavian countries in this manner. However, relatively few classical music composers from Sweden are known on an international level, and Sweden has never had a Grieg, Sibelius, or Carl Nielsen. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.110.222.207 ( talk • contribs) 10:06, 8 December 2006.
The Swedish language section could do with some work IMHO. It's evidently not an official language because of a voting error or pairing off problem (according to Swedish language#Official status. I don't know much about the Swedish parliamentry system but I'm a bit confused how someone could make a mistake in voting (don't you just vote yes or no?) and I don't know what a pairing off problem is so perhaps a wikilink or further clarification. A reference might do but the current one provided in Swedish language but not here is in Swedish so it doesn't help non Swedish speakers much. Also, the figures is confusing. Here is says 147 to 145. To me, this would imply 147 for to 145 against since to me anyway it's defacto that you usually specify for to against not against to for. If you are going to say 147 against to 145 for, you should at least specify that it's 147 against. I assume it's 147 against because if it's 147 for why did it fail? Also this implies there were at least two people who made a voting error/pairing off problem since I guess if it were 146-146 it would have failed Nil Einne 12:23, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
Sweet zombie jesus, am I watching a revert war unfold here? Over something as trivial as WHAT MAP IS TO BE USED? Without any of the participant even raising the question on the talk page? STOP IT, ALL OF YOU, NOW.
So. What situation have we got? A lot of maps have been used; namely those on your right side.
I hope we can get this sorted out without further reverting. The original is in place at the time of writing, don't change that. Jobjörn ( Talk ° contribs) 21:57, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
I've put the article up for GA reviewing. / Fred- Chess 16:13, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Here are the results of the GA Review:
As much as I have contributed to this article (I am the main contributor [5]), I do not believe it adheres to the GA criterias. I think it became listed at some time because it contains a lot of interesting information and nice images, but it probably doesn't conform with the current GA requirements. Everyone is adding his/hers bits and the article is a mosaic of generally unsourced information, trivias and list-like sections. / Fred- Chess 16:07, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
This article says that Sweden allows same sex marriage since 2006. This would be very good if it was true, but it isn't. Allowing same sex marriage has been discussed and proposed, but when it will be legally allowed is very unsure. I suggest that this is changed in the article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.235.179.178 ( talk • contribs) 14:25, 24 January 2007.
Changes in the wording of the section were made for the following reasons:
EnglishEfternamn and Valentian,
Regards Osli73 09:15, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
now that it has brought in a right wing prime minister after a strong and long history of social democracy. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.139.204.43 ( talk) 02:01, 4 February 2007 (UTC).
To be precise, however Aftonbladet frames it--and for Americans, Aftonbladet is a right wing rag something like Fox News--the Social Democrats, on the heels of Palme's assassination and pressured by the exit of Swedish capital investing abroad in Europe, laid some of the foundation for the 1990s crisis by following Chicago School pro-capitalist policy. But once he came to power in the early 1990s, liberal-right politician Carl Bildt refused to restore controls on the currency, and the unfettered currency speculation is what temporarily trashed the Swedish economy. That's why Swedish capital let the SAP run things for a while again. Anyone who's read Naomi Klein's "The Shock Doctrine" is familiar with the neoliberal shock strategy.
I have a question about Sweden's compliance with the EU Bolkestein Service Directive. I know the SAP (along with France's Socialist Party) had opposed the Service Directive and that the Service Directive passed almost immediately after the Alliance came to power in 2006. (1) Did the switch over to bourgeois rule in Sweden facilitate the passage of the Bolkestein Directive in the EU? (2) Which of the following parts of the standard neoliberal package are there plans for implementation to conform with the Bolkestein Directive by 2009?: policies of stimulating labor immigration, removing labor protections (decreasing the union confederations' powers), decreasing welfare/welfare availability, and/or public subsidization of secondary sector firms and a tertiary labor market? I've seen proposals for some of these, and the EU court has been striking down the LO's ability to collect sector-bargaining fees from imported labor. (3) Do all Alliance parties, and the SAP support the neoliberal policy package, in order to conform with Bolkestein, or do some just support parts of it? Blanche Poubelle 16:32, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
Sweden is richer now then ever :S and the welfare is also better? The right wings are simply better at taking care of a country. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaggajaggajagga ( talk • contribs) 08:35, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
In light of the recent waves of vandalism, I think it possible that the protection of this page from unregistered users is not a bad idea. If an administrator is reading this, I request that intervention be taken.-- EnglishEfternamn talk contribs 00:13, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Well i reverted the page from two words which im not sure what they mean i believe they were: "Tjena, grabben"
FYI: "Tjena, grabben" is Swedish for "Hi, dude!"... 83.250.203.52 09:55, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
There is a statement towards the end that states that there has been "renewed" practices of religion in Sweden. I'm not so sure this statement is appropriate, because every authoritative source on the subject seems to imply quite the opposite. Until a specific citation is provided on the subject, I'm not so sure the statement belongs in this article, because what is seemingly going on is so highly contradictory to it.-- EnglishEfternamn talk contribs 16:33, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi, just for anyone's comment, I've tried to source up the article based on some books I have. A lot of it is from the same books, but I guess that's the nature of the topic. I tried to include some of the text in the citations, just for verification, but also as a basis if others want to incorporate that additional material, as one person did nicely [9]. I was pretty happy with finding direct sources for what was already in the article, but the material in the article might be modified a little as well where it differs slightly. Maybe after a little while we would be able to remove the quotes from the sources, then, to the extent they're not necessary. Best, Mackan79 22:45, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi. I know you all want to have the "best" map on this article. But please do not revert war over this. It is not a big deal, it's only that the article will appear unstable if the map is changed all the time. Thank you. / Fred- Chess 00:42, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
The following is a reply to a question [10] about sources on History of Sweden added to my Talk page.
I though the information was common knowledge and therefore didn't think any 'source' was needed. A couple easily accessible and widely accepted references which could be used are:
I'd be glad to cooperate in improving the article on Sweden. I've made som attempts in the past with the Economy section (since I'm an economist) but nothing sustained. I've added this reply also on the Sweden Talk page. Cheers Osli73 08:18, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
After mentioning WWII, and then the 1960s, there follows the sentance "By the 1930s, the living standard in Sweden was ranked as one of Europe's highest and its ranking at or near the top was maintained well into the mid-20th century.", before then mentioning joining the EU in 1995, and then continuing on about the Cold War, the 1970s, etc. These snippets might want to be moved. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.158.75.199 ( talk) 11:45, 28 February 2007 (UTC).
One of swedens current biggest exports is heavy metal music. "Swedish death metal" is now a genre and has become a huge success in America as well as europe. Bands like the haunted are very big and I think it should be mentioned in the music section.
Is it really necessary to mention Basshunter as he is a rather non famous (internationally) artist?
I believe some info of heavy metal have recently been added. Also I agree with you about listing Basshunter, to be honest I find it embarassing. Adwicko 22:43, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
He is a onehit wonder who should be removed. No one cares about him anymore.
As a Swede and anthropologist, I have some general remarks to make to this article.
Sweden is not generally liberal, it is traditionally a collectivistic and corporativistic country, in the public sphere. More so than any other Western country. Even if there have been many rapid changes the last 15 years.
Sweden is also not generally speaking modern. To the contrary, explanations regarding Swedish society generally focus on pre-modern cultural paradigms, such as the organisation of rural villages in Sweden before the 1840:ies. Swedish mentality is in fact often described as rural and backward.
This creates some confusion, since according to other aspects of modernity and liberalism, Sweden does perhaps may register high. In fact, Japan has some resemblance with Sweden in this respect.
There is a need to tread carefully with nebuolous concepts such as "modernity". A country may be very modern in some aspects and not at all in others.
I also urge some care with statistics. In this article a unproportionate amount of initial text is spent suggesting that Sweden is environmentally progressive. I suggest that global statistics concerning polution per capita are consulted, in which, from memory, Sweden compares less favorably to other countries.
Living standards is also debatable. Sweden started to drop in GNP/capita in the middle of the 1970:s and ended up below average. I am not sure to what extent Sweden now has regained its position. GNP is not the same as living standards, but I am also not sure that Swedish living standards are generall high? Based on which criteria? Which sources?
In my view, there are far too many layers of political propaganda and misconceptions concerning Sweden, to allow for latitude in repeating established stereotypes of Sweden. There must be extremely high demands when using and interpreting different source concering Swedish politics, culture, history and economy.
If not, you may end up reproducing too much of one the two traditional extremes in the description of Swedish society: "Marquis Childs, Swden the middle way, 1936" and "Roland Huntford, "The New Totalitarians, 1971".
For those acquainted with anthropology, conceptions of Sweden have much in common with the "Mead" - "Freeman" controversy.
81.225.116.186 21:15, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
>> The citizens enjoy a high standard of living and the country is generally perceived as modern and liberal.>>
Even if true, why relate "perceptions"? That something is percieved to be in a certain way does not necessarily mean that it also is that way.
>> Nature conservation, environmental protection and energy efficiency are generally prioritized in policy making and embraced by the general public in Sweden. >>
What are the source for this? As a Swede I know that the political propaganda depicting Sweden as environmentally conscious is pervasive. But ciritics say that Sweden has a high degree of pollution per capita, and surveys to this effect are intermittently referenced - but never discussed - in media.
In fact, having a heavy mechanical industry, large living space in homes and long transportation routes, a degree of pollution equivalent to countries such as Canada, US, etc would be to expect.
I once compared EU statistics on some environmental indicators, and Britain, for one, was much less polluting than Sweden, although one tends to end up with a bunch of indicators that are more or less easy to summarize and or weigh.
The author of this article also seems to put a tremendous weight on environmental issues. I think that there is a disproportionate amount space dedicated to Swedish environmental policies. Why not put these under a separate heading?
>>The country has for many years pursued a strategy of indirect taxation as an instrument of environmental policy, including energy taxes in general and carbon dioxide taxes in particular.[3] >>
Maybe so, but why put that in an intro?
>> In an effort to phase out the dependency on nuclear power and fossil fuels, the Swedish government has launched a multi-billion dollar program to promote renewable energy and energy efficiency.[3][4] >>
Why do we want to know this in an intro? 81.225.116.186 06:32, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
>> Economic liberalization as well as universal schooling contributed to the rapid industrialization, and by the 1890s the country had begun to develop an advanced manufacturing industry. >>
In terms of industrialisation, Sweden was a rural country until 1930. (That is the year when the proportion of industrial workers exceeded that of the rural population).
I am also not so sure about liberalisation in absolute terms. What is meant by this? Examples of laws, regulations, etc, that define economic "liberalisation"? Nonetheless, the emergence of the Swedish model probably spelled a reversal in terms of liberalisation of the economy. State intervention and regulation increased in several respects, beginning in the 1930:ies.
How many people know that Sweden, Rumania and Italy had the lost percentage of sufferage in Europe in the beginning of the 1900:ies? How many know that Sweden had the second largest turn of the century emigration per capita to the US after Irland?
According to recieved history this was because Sweden was both economically and politically backward.
The cited text may give an incorrect impression of Swedish society in the 1800:ies compared to other European countries. Also compare with the modernisation chapter, which is rather clear about Swedish belatedness. 81.225.116.186 06:45, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
>> Sweden emerged as a welfare state; consequently, it usually ranks among the top countries in the UN Human Development Index or HDI. >>
Milton Friedman has sometimes been quoted as saying that Swedes in USA are equally well off as Swedes in Sweden (as measured by such indices). This suggests that the "welfare state" is not the only possible cause. It could simply be a question of lutheran work ethics.
Nonetheless, the current political discussion in Sweden concerns the issue that according to statistics, in reality, 20% of the population (or is it the labour force) do not go to work.
This is mainly due to high rates of sickness, with unusually high degrees of mental issues ("burn-out") but also physical strain on orderlies and nurses in the health service. The reasons for this are debated but it seems that this rate started to climb in the mid 1990:ies. One possible cause could therefore be the effects of cut-bakcs in an attempt to restore the economy after the depression in the early 1990:ies.
Regarding these changes, I'm concerned the new material gets too far afield. For one thing there are a lot of typos that need to be fixed; I could do that, but I think the previous section was more concise and to the point, for an already long article. Could we maybe work with the previous section and add material as seems necessary? I think that would be better. Mackan79 18:29, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Quote from current text: "It has maritime borders with Germany, Poland, Russia, Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia...". The Baltic Sea is international waters, i.e. it does not constitute as a "maritime border", whatever the definition of a "maritime border" may be? Could not find it in the Wikipedia. Anything beyond 12 nautical miles from the coastline is considered international waters. -- Philaweb 23:03, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
I think the article needs something which mentions how politicians are elected. It is alluded to (parties need 4% of the vote), but no details are given.
Are things done on a national level with individuals voting for parties? Or is it done on a regional level or what? ~ AFA Imagine I swore. 14:34, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
No natural history? Flora and fauna? What's up with that? Shouldn't there be something about these things? Mike 15:39, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Not sure it matters too much, but Dictionary.com gives two hits for Kattegat [15] and one for Kattegatt, [16] if we want a tie breaker. Mackan79 17:01, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
The history section is much longer than the
main article. Maybe it should be exported and substituted with a summary? The main article could use some more content.
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Mats Halldin (
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07:59, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
According to Statistics Sweden ("Statistiska centralbyrån"), the median income of Swedes in 2005 was SEK 280 000 per annum. That's about 40.9 thousand dollars per year. The "poorest Americans" would be those living under poverty, and as of 2002, that number was 34 million. To get a general idea of what the U.S. Census Bureau defines as poverty, a single individual would have to be earning less than US$ 9,183 (±5%) per annum - in this case, over 9.3 million people fall under this category. -- Edward Sandstig 17:13, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
Im swedish! And im proud! XD
You're invited to discuss a new series of vector maps to replace those currently used in Country infoboxes: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Countries#New European vector maps. Thanks/ wangi 13:11, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
I recently received a gift bearing the Dala Horse image. Don't know much about art in Sweden, but seems like this kind of national symbol should be part of the article, perhaps an "arts" section under the topic of "culture"? LilianPhoebs 03:22, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
An entry on Sweden with no mention of IKEA? Jonaschau 07:43, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
Since when is Stockholm only a "de facto" capital? I've always assumed it's a "de jure" capital. JIP | Talk 20:21, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
I've been bold and cleaned up the Music section, removing a ton of band listings which in no way belongs in this article (which is supposed to be a general overview of Sweden). I suggest the content be moved to Music of Sweden instead. All per WP:SUMMARY style. henrik• talk 05:34, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Please see the deletion vote at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Norwegian Americans. Badagnani 03:02, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
On the Swedich page, Sweden is called Kongariket Sverige. This spelling looks more like Danish or Norwegian than Swedish. I would suggest "Kungariket Sverige". -- Bertil E 12:02, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
This was my first wikipedia edit, so please forgive me not noticing the undo button right off the bat =) I just removed the mongolia and gayism comments that another user had posted over the original content and set it back to its original state. ( 205.206.97.212 04:21, 2 September 2007 (UTC))
Please see the deletion review discussion here. Badagnani 17:18, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
It states that a number of countries considered membership unwise, it is apparent from the text that is is the European Union that's being discussed, however it is not mentioned untill later in the section. The paragraph reads like it was refering to a now removed paragraph or just had some words removed, I've not managed to track any such change in the page history and don't feel confident enough to try to rewrite it myself, so I brought it here. 193.11.246.220 01:03, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
In the lead, Sweden is called the 4th largest state in Europe, while below (in Geography) it is labeled the 5th. Can someone clear up? -- Smilo Don 19:03, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
should get more attention! the story of the sami people is not correct- about 2/3 of todays Sweden was stolen from the sami, that were forced to leave their homes, convert to critianity or die. the natural resurses, the trees and metalls stolen from Lapland were sold to the Nazi´s- and thats how sweden got the major of its national capital. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.253.156.154 ( talk) 13:04, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
Palestine was never a counrty either, but we still say its occupaid. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.253.150.45 ( talk) 16:11, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
"Palestine belonged to another country when it was occupied" occupaid from who? another occupation? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.253.150.45 ( talk) 08:23, 18 September 2007 (UTC) When Sweden occupaid Lapland there were no "internationally accepted borders" at that time, thats the reason your claims fail, the israelies have their roots in the areas that inernationally accepted as palestinian, while the sweds have no roots in Lapland, that might be the only differance. Lapland is a land! even if the sweds deny it. VAPAUS LAPLAND! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.253.150.45 ( talk) 08:19, 18 September 2007 (UTC) Are you a sapmi or something? I mean, the sapmi never owned the land, they just lived in small moving villages, and we(at least me) swedes, claimed it. And the sapmi did nothing, beacuse they couldnt. So, what do you want? That we give the sapmi lapland? Yeah, right.
The numbers of murders and violent attacks on an ethnic backround are huge, thou Swedish police dosent classify as racial murders. the number of unemployed witheen the minoritis is the highest in the world. people that dont look like the sweeds or have a forien name cant get a job, cant find a flat, get discriminated by health services and more. about 90% of black people in sweden are unemployed! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.253.156.154 ( talk) 13:15, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
In the same way that there is a gender power structure in Sweden, there is an ethnic power structure. There is an ethnic hierarchy with native-born Swedes at the top and non-Europeans at the bottom. This structure is expressed in various ways. Placing “demands on immigrants” led to positive election results in 2002 for an established party. At the local level, anti-immigrant parties achieved their best results. In the labour market it can be seen in the denial of ethnic discrimination as a key issue as well as the treatment of immigrants as a labour reserve. Structural discrimination has become increasingly apparent as a factor in working life, school, politics, the media, the legal system, housing and welfare services...(european network against racism) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.253.156.154 ( talk) 16:31, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
Discrimination and inequality, whether due to ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, religion, disability etc. exists in Sweden, but is an issue of regular national sensitisation campaigns and strenuous legislation, so much that Sweden is one of few counties in Europe without a major xenophobic quasi nazi political party, which is amazing considering that Sweden accepts more refugees per capita than any other developed country. -- Ezeu 01:22, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
racism is not only hate agains minoritis, its descrimination as well. in sweden youll find the highest rate of unemployment of second and third generation immigrants in europe! we should fight racism! toure more than wellcome to read the rapports on swedish racism of the european network against racism: http://www.enar-eu.org/en/publication/national_leaflets/Sweden_EN.pdf or you can get some statistics about racism in Sweden from: http://www.sverigemotrasism.nu/templates/svStartPage____2289.asp i can give you lots of verifiable material and oyu can easyly get it yourself from EU rapports! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.253.157.176 ( talk) 12:03, 15 September 2007 (UTC) RACISM IN SWEDEN IS A CULTURE, BASED MOSTLY WITH OBSSATION TO COULORS AND LOOKS, FOR EXAMPLE IN SWEDISH MOVEIS, PEOPLE OF OTHER ATHNIC BACKROUND THAN SWEDISH ARE ALMOST NEVER JUST NORMAL PEOPLE! the rapports are dealing with that issue as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.253.157.176 ( talk) 12:15, 15 September 2007 (UTC) THE FIRST INTITUTE FOR RACE BIOLOGY WAS OPENED IN SWEDEN 1922! SWEDISH UNIVERSITIES ARE STILL INVESTING MONEY TO PROVE THAT CHARLS DARWIN THEORIES ARE WRONG! http://www.thelocal.se/7015/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.253.157.176 ( talk) 12:31, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
ADUCATION: A European Union report makes particularly negative mention of Sweden. 40% of the first generation of Muslim immigrants in Sweden did not reach the basic level in the comparative examinations (PISA), compared with just a few percent among the white population. For more details read the OECD report: Where Immigrant Students Succeed - A Comparative Review of Performance and Engagement in PISA 2003 http://www.pisa.oecd.org/document/44/0,3343,en_32252351_32236173_36599916_1_1_1_1,00.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.253.153.176 ( talk) 11:51, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
More about aducation: The swedish school system fails to avoid discrimination- unlike school systems in many other countries,in swedish system the teacher himself (who knows the pupils personaly) corects even the national tests and decides which finall grade the pupil gets, in other countries the national test are corectet by a third teacher who doesnt know the pupil, and gets no information like the name or sex of pupil that might cause discrimination. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.253.153.176 ( talk) 18:37, 16 September 2007 (UTC) UN Rodolfo Reyes Rodriguez, Cuba's delegate to the Human Rights Council, is quoted as having said that "Cuba, unlike Sweden, does not persecute migrants or carry out ethnic cleansing that only allows those whose skin and hair color fit with the racial patterns of former Viking conquerors to remain in the country." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.253.150.45 ( talk) 08:05, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
40% of the swedish immigrants failed in a test which was took place in different countries! A Comparative Review of Performance and Engagement its called —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.253.150.45 ( talk) 17:07, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Is Sweden's attitude to Sami rights consistent with international law? No, Sweden has been strongly criticised on a number of occasions by various UN bodies, such as the UN Race Discrimination Committee and the UN Human Rights Committee, as a result of Sweden failing to respect the Sami's human rights. The UN has been particularly critical of the fact that the Sami's rights to their land and water areas, as well as the natural resources, are not recognised. The Council of Europe and the OECD (Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development) have also criticised Sweden for its treatment of the Sami. Sweden has not yet done anything to rectify the faults and shortcomings pointed out by these various bodies, but always refers them to various inquiries. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.253.150.45 ( talk) 17:10, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
As a Swedish citizen with a rather good knowledge about the conditions in Sweden I would recommend a completly new page about Sweden. The present page is very much a propaganda page as it would be written by the Swedish regime. It mentions a lot of good things but do not tell much about the negative sides as the extremly high taxation, the lack of religious freedom compared to for example USA, the very high criminality rates, the increasing mental illnes manifested in a very high suicide rate and very high use of legal drugs and so on. The same about the "great Sweden" part, that is true, but not ses the history from a strictly Sweedish focus. For tourist there should also be mentioned about the problems for not caucasian people to visit restaurants, clubs and so on there they often are stopped already at the entrance. In my opinion this page is mostly missleading and should be rewritten by somebody independent of the Swedish propaganda. Anyhow, this page as it is now is very hard to imagin to be about Sweden. October 18, 2007 VF —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.217.193.42 ( talk) 08:37, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
complete bullshit sir, I strongly doubt that you have ever visited Sweden, and you're no swedish citizen, tht's for sure.
I have lived in Sweden for 5 years and although I love the country, this is the most biased and factually incorrect article I have read on wiki. For example, Sweden has one of the highest crime rates in Western Europe. Per capita, it is higher than England. For example, the Swedish economy is dominated by a small number of industrialist families (viz. France) who conceal their political influence and wealth in a complex network of holdings and trusts. For example, although the gender and race academic platform is vocal, Malmo, Lund, Stockholm and Goteborg hold urban ghettoes excluded from the political process and the economic benefit of a welfare state.
Please consider invalidating this article in favor a strictly fact based and unbiased history and description. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.234.211.45 ( talk) 17:31, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
The highest crime rates in Western Europe you say? It seems you had some rough 5 years in Sweden. According to a report the EU published in 2005 comparing all EU nations, Sweden ranked in the middle. I quote from pg 97 ““Crime in Sweden shows a curvilinear trend since 1990. Crime peaked around 2000 and is now at a level similar to that of fifteen years ago. In the EU context of crime in Sweden is medium high.” Here is the link. It might be helpful: http://www.europeansafetyobservatory.eu/downloads/EUICS_The%20Burden%20of%20Crime%20in%20the%20EU.pdf VsanoJ 18:56, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
This article is in need of some trimming and rewriting, it seems that for a long time stuff has been added to it by many individual editors with little consideration for size and prose. At over 120kb, it is a very lengthy read and there is probably much stuff that should be moved to daughter articles. Anyone interested in a concerted cleanup effort?
Some areas I find problematic (by no means an exhaustive list):
In general, the text is heavy on lists and short on prose. There are also a fairly large number of {{ fact}} tags, with good reason, as the article has few inline references for its size. What good reference works are out there?
Let's try to restore this to the Good Article it once was! henrik• talk 21:24, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
As a minor issue, the .jpg version of the greater coat of arms have replaced the .svg version. However, there is a cleaned-up and digitally retouched version of it, Please find it and use it instead, if there is no intention of using the .svg version. Optakeover 14:52, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
The article did not mention one of Sweden's greatest artist, opera singer Birgit Nilsson.
69.84.98.147 02:53, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
It is amazing how misinformation is allowed pass on this subject. I took out the part claiming that Sweden "secretly helped the Allied powers" because up until 1943 or even 1944, Sweden heavily collaborated with the Germans. In fact, they "secretly" helped the Germans, if anyone. They (Sweden) violated or found loopholes in several treaties they had with the United Kingdom in order to aid the Nazis. Swedish volunteers to the SS were also one of first to invade the Soviet Union in Operation Barbarossa. TheGoodSon —Preceding comment was added at 16:11, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
In a large article such as this one, some of the reasons for this overlook may include inadequate or non existent use of the edit summary facility - unless you compare diffs, it can be very difficult to see the actual significant changes when an article receives many edits over a short period.
You've done the right thing by drawing attention to your (controversial?) edit here, but it might have been better to suggest the change here first. I will hope that we can rely on traditional Swedish phlegm to avoid an edit war... Alice.S 18:59, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
So am I. However, this is not a general forum to discuss politics and ideologies - this is meant to be a place to talk about improvements to the article, and the discussion is straying a bit too far from that now. henrik• talk 11:17, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
There is a tendency in Sweden to bash your own country for some reason, otherwise you may be seen as a racist or nazi. It's true that Sweden helped Nazi Germany somewhat during WW2, but then again it's important to think of Swedens difficult position during the WW2, therefor i wan't to protect Swedens reputation a bit. There was several European nations neutral during the war, for example Spain and Switzerland, they don't get the same amount of douche thrown at them for this as Sweden. Sweden's iron ore has always been an important asset for Sweden, and really important for the income. Selling of iron ore during WW2 to germany helped us keeping safe from Germany, and if they had not been trading iron ore with Germany they might have been attacked, and then Britain would for sure bomb Sweden's mines as they allready was considering, and that asset would be gone for Sweden. Germany was a seemable invincible, and Sweden would not have a chance if attacking, Germany had around 7 million soldiers. Sweden also, faced another threat to the east, an old enemy was fighting their neighbours in the east, Russia. Sweden helped Finland by letting German troops pass through Sweden too Finland. Letting German troops pass through Sweden is something Sweden often has been criticized for, but as a matter of fact they were only protecting their own skin and their neighbours. 10 000 Swedish voluntary soldiers helped Finland and it was very close that Sweden entered the war, that Sweden would have provided with troops as someone above claimed is however false. After the war, Sweden was one of the countries providing with most humanitary help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.225.105.40 ( talk) 14:44, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
A couple of comments on the above discussion:
Cheers Osli73 ( talk) 15:40, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Did you know that Sweden has gotten an official online community? It launched on nov 1st and it's one of the first official online communities in the world that markets a whole country. It's very big news and something Sweden can be very proud of. Check it out here: http://communityofsweden.com
I've added it to the links section but it was removed. Wikipedia is a user generated encyclopedia and CommunityOfSweden.com is a user generated community about Sweden. Of course the link should be there. Also I expect a whole article about CommunityOfSweden.com soon. Although I shouldn't write it.
Why not? Because I specialize in online communities and web trends and I'm currently employed at VisitSweden, who runs CommunityOfSweden.com. I'm of course partial but I hope you all see the added value of pointing the wikipedia visitors to the official online community for the whole country where they'll be inspired and where they can share their own content about Sweden.
Thank you. Tommysollen ( talk) 13:42, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
I don't quite agree. Sure the tourist and foreign information is well covered with official existing links. But here's a chance to show the wikipedia users a user generated community. I think that's completely different and it should be a link. I can only look at myself and what I would appreciate when searching about information for... UK for example. First I might check some official marketing info but my next step would without a doubt be to try and see what other people think. Tommysollen ( talk) 15:06, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Tommysollen ( talk) 22:41, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Actually VisitSweden is owned 50% by the goverment so yes, it's very official. But I've said what I wanted to. Now I'll just hope one of our great community members will write it here in the future and that you won't delete it. :) Tommysollen ( talk) 22:24, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Someone has recently added this sentence:
Sweden is the biggest donation-country, most of the money goes to China and Tanzania. Circa 7 kronor (0.50 punds) per week and Capita.
It seems to be a good faith addition, so I didn't want to just cut it, but it should be worded a bit differently and sourced. I'm assuming that by 'biggest donation-country', it means per capita. AlexiusHoratius ( talk) 23:20, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
Nope your suggestion worked, an I consider myself a pro now when it comes to collasping citation markings... THX-- Sparkygravity ( talk) 18:50, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
I've been asked why I am replacing a referenced section on Prehistory with an almost entirely new one without references. That's a merited question. Two reasons:
My next step, given an OK from Wikipedians, will be to take on the separate Swedish Prehistory article. Martin Rundkvist ( talk) 10:17, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
Which one is correct, or are they both wrong? Check them up and correct?
Quote from Finland: "The largest minority language is Swedish, which is the second official language in Finland, spoken by 5.5 percent of the population."
Quote from Sweden: "Swedish, the first language for about 7 percent of the population of Finland..."
Xertoz ( talk) 11:55, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
Prominent American Journalist P.J. O'Rourke, wrote about the swedish governmental system in his book Eat The Rich. He noted that if Sweden had continued with it's economic growth that started in the 1960's and considerably lessened after the introduction of socialism, it would have a GDP 3 times that of the USA.
62.24.176.39 just added this to the article and I quickly reverted it. On a second thought I'm not sure if the article maybe should contain this information somehow. To me it is very obviously POV, but if a lot of readers actually believes that (1) Socialism was introduced in Sweden after the 1960s, that (2) any country has continued its economic growth since then, and that (3) Sweden with a GDP 3 times the USA makes any sense, maybe there should be a discussion about it? What do you think?
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Mats Halldin (
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19:06, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
The article says that "The area around Malmö (across from Copenhagen) has the most mutual intelligibility (being a border region)"... concerning Scandinavian languages. This statements means that the inhabitants in Malmö is very good at understanding the Danish variety spoken in Copenhagen. It also means that Copenhagen citizens would be very skilled in understanding the Malmö variety. I fully agree with the former since it is quite natural for Malmö citizens to visit the nearby metropole Copenhagen. I however question the latter statement. I have read somewhere that for Copenhagen citizens it is easier to understand the variety spoken in Stockholm than Scanian (Malmö) dialects. Nirro ( talk) 01:17, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
Can someone help add the Swedish name at cardamom bread? Badagnani ( talk) 05:42, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
There are several prominent writers missing from the Swedish literature section, this should really be updated (and more should be written about them) to include:
Nobel Laureates (in chronological order):
(Selma Lagerlöf, already in the article)
Others, equally important (and internationally recognized)(in alphabetical order):
85.228.16.227 (
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16:17, 4 February 2008 (UTC) emily maria
I started a discussion about this list at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy). Additional input would be valuable. Olaus ( talk) 08:52, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
I believe The Swedish ranking for the Environmental performance index should be changed, since as of January 23, 2008, Sweden ranks as #3. The article currently states (which is correct but not up to date) that Sweden was ranked #2 in the 2006 version of the same index.
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Thehumuslayer (
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12:27, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
I'd like to request an injection of information regarding the Temperance movement in Sweden from the mid 1800's (and onwards) and its affect on Swedish society. Fred26 ( talk) 13:55, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
"Before the eleventh century, Swedes adhered to Norse paganism, worshiping Æsir gods, with its centre at the Temple in Uppsala. With Christianization in the 11th century, the laws of the country were changed, forbidding worship of other"
After that, it says somethign about the nineteenth century. It shall be eighteenth century. -- 212.247.27.50 ( talk) 16:42, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Template:Germanic-speaking regions of Europe has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. — Janneman ( talk) 16:24, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Hey anyone who can read Swedish out there? Or do you know how to find someone? The article Nils Peter Hamberg needs someone to translate the information provided at this link [20] It would help a lot! Tack! ;-) Nesnad ( talk) 17:06, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
The population section in the infobox refers to a cencus in 1995. According to my knowledge, Sweden has no census since all citizens are registered in databases all the time. The data from 2007 should therefore be a fact, not an estimate. Any comments? / I99jonma 10:51, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I never heard of a census either. Also, the link clearly states that the 2008 data is the definite (not estimated) figure for December 31, 2007. / Willi5willi5 ( talk) 04:23, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
This section states that Sweden's supposed reputation for gender equality is overstated but the choice of references here are clearly POV. One (#45) is a quote from the leader of the Swedish feminist party who obviously has a political agenda and cannot be taken as an impartial source. The other (#44) is a reference to a EU report that is actually rather positive on Swedish gender equality. The particular statistics quoted are chosen because they are the ones in which Sweden performs worst. Furthermore, the statement that "Sweden compares unfavourably with the EU average when it comes to providing full-time jobs for women" has no support in the said report. Although it does state that a higher fraction of employed women works part time, it doesn't follow that there are less full-time jobs for women, since a higher fraction of women are in the workforce to begin with. A quick multiplication gives that roughly 42 % of Swedish women are employed full time, compared to 38 % for EU-25.
Of course, it might still be true that any Swedish reputation for gender equality is unwarranted. It just doesn't follow from these sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Willi5willi5 ( talk • contribs) 04:09, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
The membership to the EU is yet not mentioned in the introduction. Lear 21
Wanted to know why isn't there any information about Sweden's Telecommunications industry in this article. I had posted referenced information on it but it got removed. The information was a brief overview of the history of the Telecommunication industry. Is it necessary to have a completely different article that deals with the Telecommunications industry?
Any thoughts?
I would very much like to see a little something about the Swedish Orders, especially since these aren't active anymore and is somewhat part of the history. If anyone feels up to it, I belive some info can be found at www.royalcourt.se I would write it myself, however I'm not much of a writer, and I find my english rather bad. And it would be nice with some info not noted on the royal court webby.
More important inventions that should definitly be added, first working pace maker, The Separator and the Milking Machine, the propeller, the blow torch, sphearical ball bearing, the adjustable spanner, zipper, absorption refrigirator and so on. Two good pages for this: http://www.sverigeturism.se/smorgasbord/smorgasbord/industry/inventions/ and http://www.sweden.se/templates/cs/FactSheet____15878.aspx —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaggajaggajagga ( talk • contribs) 08:34, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
I agree
Since ive added some now on the invention section you put this "This section needs additional citations for verification. Please help improve this article by adding reliable references. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed." there, well, everything is linked to other pages on wikipedia were the facts are confirmed, so what is really the problem? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaggsan ( talk • contribs) 18:05, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Drug policy of Sweden has been created after bitter disputes involving Sweden's drug policy, surrounding Nils Bejerot, going trough (see history and discussion) War on Drugs (there were one an section called "A different view on the War on Drugs - Nils Bejerot") to Drug policy (involving a request for deletion). One of the main figures involved is Dala11a lifting forth the great ideas of Nils Bejerot and the benefits they had on the drug policy of Sweden, proved by a report by UNODC. The antagonist is me and quite a few others (apparent in the above history and discussion parts of all above mentioned interwikied articles (except UNODC)). However I'm the only one having some kind of knowledge of Sweden and its whereabouts that have been evolved in this except dala11a himself. I hope someone else can find interest in this very interesting aspect of Swedish society. There are some useful external links in the references and external link on the new article page. Steinberger ( talk) 02:49, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
In the Cold War section, someone has stated without source: "Between 1970 and 1990 Sweden increased overall tax burden by over ten percentage points and the growth was very low compared to most other countries in Western Europe. Sweden steadily lost its position in rankings such as GDP per capita."
This looks very controverisal to me. "very low compared to most other countries in Western Europe" is obviously false. If the neo-liberal who wrote this returns with his source, it's probably something like timbro.se. The entire claim should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.183.217.178 ( talk) 06:52, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
I believe this should be added: Source 1, Source 2, Source 3, Google search yields more. I imagine their rating on Privacy International will soon fall sharply :P 69.177.201.95 ( talk) 07:54, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
Aren't there so many other aspects? I assume the lead section should cover only non-controversial things that are not subject to interpretation. What is "modern", is France or South Africa "not modern"? Which countries are not "liberal"? How about covering vikings, Swedish corporatism, climate, or feminism?
So did improved knowhow, economic environment, and many others. And most of the productivity growth was seen in agriculture! No references provided that this would somehow definite aspect of Swedish history. Also, natural resources primary are a tiny part of the economy today, it's engineering and services today!
No reference provided. There are so many things behind Sweden's industrialization (with free trade popping in economic history papers), this is very simplistic statement, which the economic literature does not make.
Sweden also has other resources such as timber. This makes a weird assumption that oil and coil deposits would be somehow important? How about gold, diamonds or bananas?
Should we move such controversial statements to politics, economy and culture sections, where more debate can be dedicated to them? Turkuun ( talk) 21:32, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
Swedish is not the official language, Sweden don't even have an official language. Though there is five official minority languages; finnish,Meänkieli - "finnish from the vally of Torneå", Yiddish, Sami language, Romany language and Swedish Sign Language.
I'm very bad at editing and do not wan't to screw my own countrys page on wikipedia so please help me! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.66.186.169 ( talk) 13:04, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
On the page about Norway, there is written that Norway became independent from union with Sweden. Shouldn't that be on the page about Sweden too? It was a personal union where both countries were equal... 85.166.7.56 ( talk) 17:55, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
"Rail transport is privatized and companies include SJ, Green Cargo, Tågkompaniet and a number of regional companies."
Rail Transport is not fully privatised. SJ is a government owned company and the "regional" companies vaguely referred to are also government enterprises. In Wikipedia's article on SJ, it is unambiguously and correctly described as "a Swedish government-owned passenger train operator" therefore rendering the claim in this article that "Rail transport is privatised" as irrelevant, incorrect and confusing to those wishing to learn about Transport in Sweden.
On my latest readings the articles on the Nordic countries are in great need of tightening up. Seemingly right-wing slanted falsehoods seem to be creeping into the articles. This is also of concern in the article on Finland and as for the Nordic Model article....well.....it should probably be deleted. ConXII 25 June 2008
The link you provide states that "45% of the rail market in Sweden is privatised" that therefore makes saying "Rail transport in Sweden is privatised" a falsification if more than half of the entire market is still owned by the government. It doesn't matter whether the rail market was "liberalised" into different companies under state ownership e.g. SJ, something cannot be described as "privatised" if it retains a majority of government ownership, because it is therefore nationalised, the opposite of privatisation. To describe the Swedish rail market as privatised and then list a state owned company which comprises it in the very same sentence is confusing and this is exactly what you have written.
"Rail transport market is privatized and companies include SJ.........." - In this sentence you have made it sound as if SJ is a private company which is untrue, since if the person reading clicks the SJ hyperlink, they will be taken to an article which states unambiguously that SJ is a government owned enterprise.
A much better thing to do would be to explain that the majority of passenger transport by rail in Sweden is operated by state owned companies such as SJ as well as the government run Lokal Trafik in place within each of Sweden's Län such as HallandsTrafik, Storstockholms Lokaltrafik, SkåneTrafik etc. etc. etc. and THEN to explain that some sectors of rail transport are privatised such as the transport of cargo. This would therefore align the content of the article with the reference you presented above, which states that the majority of rail transport in Sweden is still government owned (with 45% being privatised).
As far as "free to competition" goes, I can't see how this is broadly speaking the case in Sweden, whenever I am in the country it's not like I can choose to take a non SJ train from say Halmstad to Göteborg. In fact the only trains which stopped at Halmstad during the duration of my latest visit were all Öresunds Tåg (yet another transport company, this time jointly owned by the Swedish and Danish governments) and I was therefore unable to use the trains of other companies to travel by rail
Since judging by your other edits you are a right winger with a serious beef against anything government owned, you could then satisfy yourself by writing that state owned SJ isn't the most efficient of rail networks, something which a lot of Swedes themselves agree on as far as I have seen. In my own experience delays are common and travelling with SJ can be expensive. I'm sure reference material for this can be easily found.
ConXII 27 June 2008
There was an old discussion about this about 2 years ago: Talk:Sweden/Archive_1#Swedish_sterilization In the current article, it isn't mentioned at all. Not very chocking, since there isn't much interest among swedes (which I suppose is the main editors of the article - I'm a swede myself) to talk about it. Swedens sterilization laws should be covered in the main article. It's very important. There isn't much info available on Wikipedia right now - there is some at Compulsory_sterilization#Sweden Ran4 ( talk) 05:25, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
vdh vmhgk nk.jg —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.161.92.175 ( talk) 10:52, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
The note number 3 is directly taken from Yahoo answers and, especially in this particular case, doesn't seem like a "reputable source". At the very least, it's very inelegant. I'm removing it (if someone disagrees, just revert changes). -- Taraborn ( talk) 02:58, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
Is "For Sweden—Through the Times," in the infobox, some kind of official English version of the personal Royal motto "För Sverige i tiden"? If it's not, it's surely not the best translation we can do. I admit the Swedish original is pretty meaningless, but the version we have in the infobox is utterly meaningless. As I understand it, the original means (vaguely) something about the King being modern—up to date—moving with the times—something like that. Compare this site, which renders it "For Sweden with the times". Not good—the original kind of precludes having something actually good—but a lot better, surely. I'll change to that unless there are objections. Bishonen | talk 20:48, 8 September 2008 (UTC).
In 2008, the swedes created a foundation called "Save Tågan" which slogan is "In Tågan We Trust", to save Sebatian "Tågan" Tagerup, also known as the King Kong II. The guru of the swedes was attack by a terrible disease : the Ilovesweet Syndroma.
Somebody has made a joke there in the text.
Delete that part and the others that poster may have added. :)
Anon —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.114.146.152 ( talk) 10:10, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
"Sweden has a major market for new age and ecologically or environmentally aware music, as well a large portion of pop and rock music have liberal and left-wing political messages." Left-wing? Yes. Liberal? Absolutely not... The writer probably used the north-american definition of "liberal" (being roughly the same as "left"). And what about "environmentally aware music"? Any sources? I'll remove this section if no sources are found. Ran4 ( talk) 22:33, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
"Annual precipitation in most of the country is between 500 - 800 mm (15 - 23 inches)..." Isn't that something more like 20 - 30 inches? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.90.104.209 ( talk) 04:56, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
Regarding the edits from here to here: User:GraderCel, first of all, please don't yell at me, or anyone else, to stop making changes that were clearly in no way meant to be disruptive; it is a wiki, if you don't want what you write to be edited then don't write it. It's not as though I was having a revert war with you, I simply undid a change that you didn't explain, which I honestly thought was done accidentally. Since you've now commented your edits, I can reply.
You are probably right that I added too much information, considering it is a general article on Sweden, not one specifically on Sweden's climate. However, rather than simply going back to the original text, it seems to me it would have been useful to change the new text since by going back to the original you replaced well-referenced facts with unreferenced facts. So, I am going to continue changing it, trying to keep the content more like it is, but adding references and making other (in my opinion) improvements. I will make the changes individually, and comment them, so you and everyone else can see why I made them and change them if it seems appropriate. StephenHudson ( talk) 15:53, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
The infobox facts on independence are a bit confusing, Norway and Sweden was in a personal union from 1814 to 1905. Also there has been some previous personal unions (also including Denmark). Sweden's independence is set to be "-" while Norway's independence is set to be 1905. It would be more corret to either set Norway's independence to 1814 and "-", or both Sweden's and Norway's independence to 1905. A country is NOT dependent on another country in a personal union (which was the case for both Norway-Sweden and the Kalmar union); Norway was never dependent on Sweden, it tried to make itself a free state in 1814. Denmark-Norway, however, was a real union where Norway was part of Denmark from 1536 to 1814. Is a country independent in a personal union or not? As it is now, it looks like Sweden never was part of the Kalmar union and that it owned Norway - that's wrong! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.166.5.35 ( talk) 17:37, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
The opening paragraph states that "(Stockholm) is by far the largest and most populous city ... in Scandinavia". According to their respective Wikipedia pages, the urban area of Stockholm is about 8.5% more populous than that of Copenhagen, while the metro area population is even larger for Copenhagen than for Stockholm. The difference in size between these cities is hardly enough to motivate the "by far" phrase... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.69.33.54 ( talk) 17:29, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
There is some rather dubious editing going on at Swedish Empire - this edit [21] is verging on bizarre ("Wolves, not seen in settled areas since the Middle Ages, stalked the deserted streets of once-bustling villages."). Help correcting this would be welcome, as the author is taking my corrections of his original research/unencyclopaedic tone rather personally. The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick t 00:52, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
The opening section states that "Sweden is the most visited country in Northern Europe with 5,2 million visitors in 2007". The page for Northern Europe (linked to in the opening section) includes the UK as part of Northern Europe, and the source for this line is a page that sates the UK received 30 million visitors in 2007, far more than Sweden. I am going to change the sentence to "Sweden is the most visited country in Scandinavia with 5,2 million visitors in 2007" WhizzBang ( talk) 08:33, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
The military section has a rather significant typo, it says Ireland is a member of the Nordic Batle Group, it must be Iceland. I cant change it because its locked 137.222.215.9 ( talk) 19:24, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
No, Ireland is a member of the Nordic Battle Group, Iceland doesn't have an army. McGnome ( talk) 19:16, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
The cause of this error is probably the fact that most Scandinavians don't regard the British (and the Irish) islands as a part of Northern Europe. -- 94.255.146.181 ( talk) 00:18, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
suppsodly there was only one swede participating in operation barbarossa, Ingemar Somberg who served at first in SS Panzer Division Wiking. the article suggest that there were more swedes participating in operation barbarossa, to support this claim it should present a valid source. there were only about 200-300 swedish volunteers in the SS, and almost all of them joined after 1941. "Swedish volunteers in Nazi SS units were among the first to invade the Soviet Union in Operation Barbarossa" please change it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Conda ( talk • contribs) 23:15, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
The article claims Sweden was under "German influence" during WWII, which is not really true, although the country was to some extent cut off. The article then goes on and claims Sweden "collaborated with Hitler" which sounds weasel-worded to me. Then, the article talks about Swedish soldiers in the Wehrmacht, surely to paint the picture as dark as possible. I think it is all very biased, partly off topic, and should be re-written altogether. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bugfindersolas ( talk • contribs) 12:31, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
I actually would agree on that. Even though it's commonly known that the critisism that have been aimed towards Sweden, for example because of some of the things mentioned here in the article, are quite true, the text presented here seems a bit odd to me too. As said of course Sweden was partly influenced by Germany, but not to the extent that this article makes it seem to be. And some of the facts are also kind of irrelevant, for example the part about the Swedish citizens that joined the Waffen-SS. The number of people that did this was probably somewhere between 130-300, and if I remember right, travelled to Norway to do so and totally against the neutral policy of Sweden. Though this text makes it seem as though a vast number of eager Swedish men stormed into Soviet Russia all of a sudden, when, for example the number of Norwegians that did this was approx 10 000. And now I'm not trying to make it sound like Sweden played no part, though, I would also prefer a more balanced article that presented more relevant facts in a more correct way. It should definitely be rewritten, or, that is my opinion. -- Qszet ( talk) 00:30, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
Are we going to change the name of the war also? WW stands for World War. If you provide support to one side, it is to the detriment of the opposition. If Hitler received any support from Sweden at a time when it was providing no support to the Allies, it cannot be defined as neutrality.
67.187.255.117 (
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Just removed some obvious vandalizing of the "World Wars" section by 208.179.150.68. Please note that this is not the appropriate way to make an edit to a Wikipedia article, and banners should never be removed unless you can present a valid reason for doing so. I was in no way intending to make som kind of political statement or whatever you should call it by doing this, as some people probably would think. Or well, maybe not a political statement, though as this was aimed at radically change the view of the text in this article. That is not at all what (at least I am) trying to do. But I do think that the text in question was badly written and did not entirely present facts in a completely unbiased way. So I suggest that the NPOV-banner should remain in it's place until edits have been done, or the dispute solved in some other way. -- Qszet ( talk) 18:43, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I'm all not that happy with the term "ethnic Swedes". It feels a bit like saying "ethnic American", "ethnic Canadian" or "ethnic British". Neither do the sources use the term "ethnic Swede" but rather refer to persons born outside Sweden, with a parent born outside Sweden or who are not Swedish citizens. I would prefer to use these more precise and correct terms. Any comments before I change? Osli73 ( talk) 00:23, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
It might feel awkward to use such terms from a swede's point of view as this is quite taboo in Sweden, but I'm quite sure there is generally more tolerance to such things in the rest of the world. Though I am suspicious about the source of this information regarding ethnicity and numbers, as it is a diffuse subject. -- 94.255.146.181 ( talk) 00:06, 17 December 2008 (UTC) Emil R
Ethnic Swedes is useable and valid term. Is there any reason as to why Swedes - as opposed to every known human society/group in recent history - should not have an ethnicity? According to a number of studies on national cultures and cultural differences Swedes are more - not less - culturally differentiated than average groups are (see data from World Values Survey), so there is no reason on that basis not use the term. I would say that a figure of 80 % of the population being ethnically Swedish is fairly accurate, more accurate than 87 %, which is far too low today. It is diffcult however, since there is no official statistics on the matter. Koyos ( talk) 00:34, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
In the section about the modern political situation, I strongly disagree with the phrase "However, poor economic performance since the beginning of the 1970s, and especially the crisis at the beginning of the 1990s, have forced Sweden to reform its political system to become more like other European countries.". That is a politically biased statement that should be changed or removed. 83.226.118.49 ( talk) 20:14, 23 January 2009 (UTC) lauren mcdowall wiz here .!! 27/1/09
What influence does this comment at the end of foreign policy have? "American actress Jessica Alba came under scrutiny in early 2009 for telling a reporter to "be neutral about it. Be Sweden." It was alleged by Fox News anchor Bill O'Reilly as well as editorial gossip network, TMZ, that she meant to say Switzerland. Alba defended herself in a subsequent web blog by citing this Sweden Wikipedia entry."
Though an interesting tidbit, I believe should be under a separate heading. 65.188.211.70 ( talk) 17:51, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
Alcohol is heavily taxed in a mostly unsuccessful attempt to discourage alcoholism. This isn't really addressed in the article, though. Why not? -- 98.232.180.37 ( talk) 08:48, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
same sex marriage will be legal from 1 May 2009, repealing the registered partnership law [22]. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.148.207.230 ( talk) 06:37, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
This is a selection of the many politicized quotes: "After World War II a succession of governments increased the welfare state and the tax burden, and Sweden's GDP per capita ranking fell from the 4th to 14th place in a few decades.[80]" This sentence heavily implies a cause and effect which is not accepted by most economists. The citation is to Bergstrom and Gidehag, who have been widely discredited.
"Deregulation-induced competition helped Sweden to halt the economic decline and restore strong growth rates in the 2000s." Sweden's economic growth is more often attributed to other factors. The Swedish economy more closely followed global trends, and is suffering in 2009, just as the rest of the world is, because of the global economic crisis enabled by deregulation.
Also, the Wall Street Journal's editorial page is not a respected source of information in the United States, and is inappropriate for use in an encyclopedia, much less for an entry on Sweden. For information on the Swedish economy and Swedish public policy, the consensus among Swedish economists and policy analysts should be used. This is the section: "A September 29, 2008 editorial in the Wall St. Journal quoted Jan Björklund, leader of Sweden's Liberal Party, as saying, "The corporate tax is one of the taxes which large companies really study when they plan to set up business somewhere." The editorial goes on to say, "The corporate tax reduction will bring the Swedish rate down to 26.3% from 28%, continuing its fall from a high of 57% in 1987... entrepreneurship had become such an alien concept that more than half of Sweden's 50 largest companies were founded before World War I and only two after 1970—the period when taxes and social welfare programs proliferated... Three years ago Sweden eliminated its inheritance tax.""
The sections in question read more like crude policy papers from the American Enterprise Institute than like good encyclopedia sections. The article is in desperate need of a clean-up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Iluiiuli ( talk • contribs) 07:31, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
{{ editsemiprotected}}In the text under the subsection "inventions" it is mentioned that Tesla was Croatian. This is incorrect. He was Serbian.
The article says there was a separation of state and church from the reformation and on. This is incorrect; it was rather the starting point of when the church became something like a national governmental agency which is also reflected with mentions of the law about mandatory membership which was changed in 1860. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.225.189.106 ( talk) 20:40, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
Hello. Recently, an editor added a locator map to this article (with orange highlights and a horrid Mercator projection) which is of a style that is not only inconsistent with the locator maps in most country articles but has done so without any discussion or consensus. Consequently, I have restored the prior long-standing map. I believe a renewed consensus needs to be demonstrated before the map is changed again. Thoughts? Bosonic dressing ( talk) 02:24, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
I am proposing a removal of the message mentioned in the headline. It was me that once added it, and as the article now has been edited in a appropriate way I suggest that it is now time for it's removal. So speak up now if any of you disagree, or I will remove it within the nearest time. For more information see the archived discussion.
-- Qszet ( talk) 14:39, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Giving a clear date of the "origin of Sweden" is impossible of course, unlike many other countries there is no plain first date of unification (however you define that concept) or even first mention of the Swedes (svear or svioner do not equal the later Swedish nation). To the factbox, though, I've added the dates for the establishment, de facto end and de jure end of the Kalmar Union. The de facto end date is, of course, still celebrated as the National Day (Election of Gustav Vasa as King at Strängnäs, 1523). Also added the year of the current constitution. Strausszek ( talk) 08:21, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Halsö Island is wrong, see Hälsö —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.237.196.237 ( talk) 16:31, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
I think it might be worth mentioning the extreme usage of, and reliance upon, computers in Sweden. I have been unable to find the actual statistics, but I am pretty confident that I read in a newspaper a few years back that Sweden has the most Internet users, as well as computers, per capita in all the world. Having travelled throughout most of europe and parts of the USA, I think this is probably true. If anyone could find the statistics and/or add a few lines concerning swedish computer-usage it would be most appreciated. Djingis Khan ( talk) 12:40, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
I think there is a slight error under the military section but since I have never changed anything on wikipedia I won't touch anything myselft.
it says "The head of the armed forces is the Supreme Commander of the Swedish Armed Forces (Överbefälhavaren, ÖB), after the sovereign the most senior officer in the country."
Actually, the sovereign and the supreme commander has the same rank of general ( both four star generals). So unless someone knows som swedish law that says that the king stands above the supreme commander even though they have the same rank it should be changed.
It wouldn't be wrong to also point out that the sovereign only has a symbolic rank of general and in fact does not have any controll over the armed forces. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.64.175.48 ( talk) 11:56, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
The king lost almost all his powers (except ceremonial duties and some more) in the change of constitution in 1974. ÖB is only the C-In-C in wartime, in peace-time the last word of the military is the minister of defense (and as such, the government). in peace time, ÖB is the one taking care of logistical stuff and budgets and such things. -- 213.89.179.53 ( talk) 09:59, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Does it really belong to this article? I mean the Ale's Stones was raised for a Danish king, since Scania was part of Denmark, and known as Danes from before mid 1600's. Another fault is that in the description it says it was from the Vendel period. There has never been a such period in Scania. -- JHF1000 ( talk) 23:34, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
At the time it was raised, there was no Danish country and no Danish king. Thus, Scania
was not a part of Denmark at the time. —Preceding
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Hello,
I noticed in the article's summary (the first part of the article at the top of the page that Sweden's rank in the Human Development Index is stated as 6th when in fact it is 7th according to the Wikipedia article on the HDI ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index#High).
I'm not familiar with the conventions of Wikipedia, so pardon any errors.
122.172.23.196 ( talk) 14:40, 12 August 2009 (UTC) Anshuman Manur
Think this should be added as external link, 44 young photographers portrayed their view on Sweden. Its a free e-book that can be found at http://issuu.com/fotoboken/docs/book?mode=embed
More about the project can be seen here, its in swedish though: http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fotoboken_om_Sverige
Yesantenko ( talk) 23:31, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
The Language in sweden is no longer Swedisch. That has the goverment desided —Preceding
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193.10.114.222 (
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19:03, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
Since Bosnia and Herzetgovina was a part of Former Yugoslavia why than make two seperate entries on how many people from that region moved to Sweden, why not merge the two? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.227.116.47 ( talk) 05:44, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
No wonder this page has been a target of "violation", half of it is not true. It's clearly a Swede who has written this page, because everything good is extremely exaggerated. Just look at the Sport section :S Changing false and exaggerated fairytales to actual, somewhat objective, facts is NOT a violation. Try this: less flashy and wrong > more humble and right. For once, you could actually learn something from the Americans. Look at their Sport section. Shame on you Sweden - and now, people can't even change what's not true... well played...
(An example; Björn Borg. Sure, he's a known tennis players, but THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME as claimed, ehm, not so much. He is not mentioned/stated/nominated as the #1 tennis players of all time even in a single top X of all time tennis players. Rod Laver, Roger Federer, Pete Sampras, Roy Emerson, Ivan Lindl, Andre Agassi etc. are all ranked higher in most rankings.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.164.81.69 ( talk) 02:04, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Really there's no issue here. Björn Borg was a very successful player in his time. If you visited Sweden you'd see that not much is exaggerated and most of this article is right. That lesson from America will have to wait till another day. Sweden really does punch above it's weight in sport and has a very well developed society. It has a lot to be proud of and, in my experience, is rather humble about it too. -- GMcGlinn ( talk) 02:36, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
The article occupies 153 kilobytes, which is far too large. Time to compact the article. My first impression is that a few sections that also are covered by main articles are much too long, and that that info should preferrably be moved to those main articles, if not already covered. It would be better if this article contains compact reviews of the separate articles. ... said: Rursus ( mbork³) 15:57, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
Under the heading "Political movements", there is a paragraph about the feminist initiative. I'd say that now, with the current debate on copyright/privacy/... reform, at least a paragraph on the founding of the piracy party and its later success in the eu election would be appropriate. Anyone agree/disagree? -- Tgwizard ( talk) 23:11, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
I would say its relevant. I think pirate party can be seen as the only real political movements we had in Sweden in the 21th century. Pirate party has around 50000 members. 3rd biggest party according to number of members. Moderaterna (m) which is one of Sweden's ruling parties have 54000 members. [1] Yesantenko ( talk) 23:31, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
I could be wrong here, but I'm not sure about this sentence: "The Swedish name Sverige literally means "Kingdom of the Swedes". Is'nt "Realm" a more suitable translation of the word "rige/rike"? Kingdom = Kungadöme, Rike = realm? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.249.103.85 ( talk) 12:07, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
Why is this page not locked anymore? Every country's page should be locked. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.107.220.226 ( talk) 01:11, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
I think the translation of the motto is a little off..."För Sverige i tiden", shouldn't it be more like..."For Sweden in time"?
This article on Sweden does not appear to be without political bias. It seems to speak favourably about trade liberalization and globalization which are controversial topics. It seems to mask an anti-statist, conservative agenda that is not in keeping with Wikipedia's standards on point of view neutrality.
Hv71 is the best hockeyteam in Sweaden! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.183.123.187 ( talk) 17:05, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
{{ editsemiprotected}} Under the fashion section, the link for Acne is wrong and should point to Acne Jeans instead.
It's unnecessary and looks awful to write "Swedish" beside "Konungariket Sverige" in the info box. The country info box is designed so that you understand that the first name is the country's name in English and then the name in the native language. -- Leffe00 ( talk) 10:52, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
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Change Scania in economy to Scania AB as Scania refers tp a region of Sweeden not the company.
Scania AB: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scania_%28company%29
Abyss of enchantment ( talk) 15:54, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
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Remove Lynx lynx poing.jpg please, or at least change the picture text. In what respect does the picture show a "Swedish" lynx? Was the picture taken in Sweden? The exact same picture is also shown on the Iran and Albania pages. Lynx is in no way unique or representative for the wildlife in Sweden. And it seems stupid to use the exact same picture to describe several different countries. If one necessarily need a picture of a typical swedish animal I suggest a picture of a moose, which unlike the lynx is more or less restricted to the taiga.
213.112.230.76 ( talk) 20:50, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
Done. Spigot Who? 21:15, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
What does this imprecice and unreferenced phrase refer to (end of) teritorial waters or what. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alcea setosa ( talk • contribs) 00:44, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
You will find it in the lead of the article-- Alcea setosa ( talk) 00:48, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
Sweden's Size is about the size of Alaska. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.178.136.236 ( talk) 01:34, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
No, Sweden is the size of Alaska, research or live there before you make a statement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.38.241.42 ( talk) 13:06, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
Do we need this section? It's a rather large hodgepodge of random rankings that increases the load-time of the article, and I don't think it's crucial here. Maybe it could be moved elsewhere, but I think it is too excessive here. Hayden120 ( talk) 10:11, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
I just noticed that the caption of the map in "Political History" says it tenth century kingdoms in Sweden, but the map itself says it shows twelfth century kingdoms. I'm guessing the caption is wrong, so perhaps someone could correct it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.176.135.127 ( talk) 12:00, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
The article should have an IPA guide for pronouncing Sverige. Its pronunciation is quite different than what an English speaker with no knowledge of Swedish would expect. 70.109.177.178 ( talk) 05:26, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
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Under "Official Language(s)" in the infobox only Swedish is listed, but Sweden also has five recognized minority languages: Finnish, Sami, Meänkieli, Yiddish and Romany. Shouldn't these also be listed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.230.177.115 ( talk) 19:47, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
I´m surprised there is so little information about the lappish people, their history and culture. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.67.3.184 ( talk) 07:42, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
The following appears in the language section:
" Sweden Finns are Sweden's largest linguistic minority, citation needed comprising about 3% of Sweden's population and Finnish is recognized as a minority language."
However, the infobox states that 5.1% of the population are Finns. The citation is simply
"See Sweden Finns".
If one visits this article, they will see that the infobox says
"estimated c. 470,000 (c. 5.1 per cent of the population of Sweden)"
... but there is not one source for this in the entire article. The article Finns also claims 470,000, but, of course, Sweden is the only country unsourced in the infobox (in a list of sixteen countries). Demographics of Sweden presents similar figures, but none of them are sourced. Statistics Sweden and Google are not turning up any results. Does anyone know where this information can be found? Thanks, Hayden120 ( talk) 16:28, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
Latin 'Suetidi' and Lithuanian 'Sueitidiai' meaning the people who comes together and the land is 'Sueiva' (feminin form) or 'Sueivonys' (masculin form) meaning the land where various people (mostly Vikings) collects.
Under the education section of the Sweden page it is argued that Sweden has more tertiary degree graduates than just a few other nations ("Only a few countries such as Canada, the United States and Japan have higher levels of tertiary education degree holders."). When looking at Wikipedia's own Tertiary Education, a pie chart is hosted which contains data from UNESCO. This chart, which can be found by navigating the aforementioned page, clearly shows that there are nearly a dozen nations which have a higher number of tertiary degree graduates than Sweden. Thus the current statement is misleading and perhaps should be revised to be termed less bold. Shellder ( talk) 8:15, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
The article mentions accelerated GDP growth and rising Per Capita Incomes, but every half-intelligent person knows that this means absolutely nothing. A rising GDP does not necessarily translate into rising wages and rising standards of living. For example, the US economy has been growing at an annual rate of about 3% since 1980, but wages have barely budged. 90.196.36.133 ( talk) 12:39, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
I'm removing this:
I'm surprised such an unusual claim has been let remain for so long (it was added before June 2010). It may be based on this text by Nils Bruzelius: http://www.foi.se/FOI/templates/Page____4065.aspx but he claims Sweden was unaware of those submarines until after the cold war. So I have no idea if the author here had some other source, or simply didn't understand what Bruzelius wrote. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jgrahn ( talk • contribs) 10:53, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
And thank you SineBot for signing it for me. It slipped my mind. JöG ( talk) 11:10, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
Why does the King's personal motto have such a prominent place in the infobox, and thus in the article? It is not the motto of the country. Is this just done to conform with the standard country template infobox? If so, I believe that field should be left empty, rather than giving this prominence to the personal motto of the monarch. / Coffeeshivers ( talk) 11:03, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
Also the translation is wrong (if you focus on the actual meaning of the words, not the poetic value) it should be: for Sweden - in time. //Dr_Ernst (Sweden) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.82.118.217 ( talk) 11:07, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
Regardless of whether or not the use of the motto is correct the translation is the one used by court and should probably be accepted as the official and correct one. It is used on the court's website:
http://www.royalcourt.se/royalcourt/royalfamily/hmkingcarlxvigustaf.4.396160511584257f218000644.html
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In the 'Energy and transport infrastructure' section there is a claim that Sweden "has proposed banning gasoline fossil fuel-driven vehicles by 2025", and the source appears to be a blog post about an article referencing a different article. Sweden has not actually proposed banning fossil fuels by 2025; the Center party proposed it in the opinion pages of a national daily newspaper.
Should such proposals really be included in the article on "Sweden"? It's even unclear if the party itself still stands by the proposal. If there were actual legislation or proposed legislation that is one thing but there is no indication of this. -- 195.198.42.205 ( talk) 04:28, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
Sweedin is full of terrorists. They are after our freedom. Praise be to Jimmy Wales, lord and master. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.188.39.61 ( talk) 19:37, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
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Change the title over the largest cities of sweden from "the largest cities of Ukraine" to "the largest cities of Sweden"
Bamnehagen ( talk) 09:45, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. I don't see that phrase, or that section, anywhere on the article. Perhaps you're looking at a different article? Qwyrxian ( talk) 13:50, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
The template included in that section shows the largest Swedish metropolitan areas, as well as the Södertälje and Täby metro areas; and not the Urban ones, best regards FesCityRaver ( talk) 08:15, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
Hello! What's the source for the size of the metropolitan areas in the demographics section? Seems a bit weird that Linköping has a larger population than Uppsala. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lichad ( talk • contribs) 00:05, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
To have a list of the largest metropolitan areas in Sweden is superfluous. They are very few. Why not just list the largest municipalities or cities. Jesusbarabbas ( talk) 16:46, 2 March 2011 (UTC). http://www.scb.se/Pages/TableAndChart____236124.aspx Jesusbarabbas ( talk) 09:50, 3 March 2011 (UTC).
The GPD of Spain is not 22m USD, Spain have in 2009 31m USD (sorry, but is my country and i love and protect them xD), ;)-- Zayuk ( talk) 21:32, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
I can only see one Swedish soldier in the picture (on the top of the Patria Pasi) and as far as the Humvee Article shows Swdeden doesn't operate any Humvees. There is probably somewhere a better suited picture. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carlwolfram ( talk • contribs) 16:25, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
The article claims that the area of Sweden is 450,295 square kilometres, and that this makes it the third largest country in Europe. According to the wikipedia page about Area and population in European countries, the area is 449,964 sq. km, and any of these numbers would put Sweden on fifth place (after Russia, Ukraine, France and Spain), not counting Greenland, Kazakhstan and Turkey (since none of these countries have as much area within Europe as Sweden does). Jolindbe ( talk) 15:03, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
A little statistics how much other languages than Swedish like Finnish and Arabic are spoken and understood in Sweden would be interesting. Also the number of people in Sweden who do not speak Swedish has been growing, where do we go now? 91.152.90.62 ( talk) 16:07, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
There is no proof that the Goths, Vandals, etc originated from Sweden, even if some of the germanic peoples claimed to have a scandinavian heritage. The majority view among historians is not that the germanic peoples came from Sweden and hence this statement should be removed from the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.170.93.229 ( talk) 15:35, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
"Nobody has influenced electronic dance music in the 21st century more than the Swedish House Mafia," As much as I really love this group, I cannot honestly believe this. There is too much history thanks to the huge amounts of creative musicians in this genre. 81.233.168.217 ( talk) 23:04, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
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In the "Climate" section, the following sentence is present:
"Sweden receives between 1,100 to 1,900 hours of sunshine annually."
The usage of "between A to B" is a grammatical error and should be replaced by either "between A and B" or "from A to B".
An appropriate sentence would be "Sweden receives between 1,100 and 1,900 hours of sunshine annually." 83.233.107.20 ( talk) 09:06, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
The article writes: "The last war in which Sweden was directly involved was in 1814, when Sweden by military means forced Norway into a personal union."
It is easy to believe that Norway was dependent on Sweden during 1814 and 1905 and that was certainly not the case. Even though many believes so.
In fact the Swedish army was led by Karl Johan (Charles-John) in the end of the napolonic wars invading Danmark making Denmark sease Norway to Sweden. Howerer the bother of the danish king was governor in Oslo and tried to become Norwegian king. ASo he called for the assembly of a first Norwegian parliament that made the Norwegian constitution. The reaction of Karl Johan was to send the Swedish militaries to Oslo on his behalf (he was the boss). Because he accepted a compromise accepting the constitution if he became also of Norway. So the only that was common between Norway and Sweden during those years were the king, the foreign politics (constitutional a royarl affair) and the embassies. In 1905 the Norwegians demanded own embassies and the king refused. So Norway elected a danish prince as king and on Norway went with own embassies. All the time Norway had its own army, parliament, law, administration that had nothing in common with Sweden.
I suggest the text is changed to "The last war in which Sweden was directly involved was in 1814, when Sweden by military means forced Norway into a personal union, but only joint king, foreign politics and embassies, else two independet states." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.219.161.75 ( talk) 04:53, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
Twice now, there has been attempts to put dates on a Swedish consolidation. First of all, dates such as the establishment of the Kalmar or Swedish-Norwegian union has nothing to do with this. Secondly, if the dissolvement of such a union is enough for an "establishment", then clearly the Swedish-Polish union should be included as well. Thirdly, the 6th of June 1523 was the coronation date of Gustav Vasa, who by this time had control. If anything, it is a de jure date, and even that can be discussed. Forthly, if one wants to put a date on a consolidation of Sweden, a guessed date for when the first historically certain Swedish king was raised to the throne is quite pointless. The whole point of describing it as a "consolidation" is that there is no fixed date. There are arguments that would put such a consolidation in the late 12th century (there are sources that tell of events where different "landskap" has tried electing different kings), or perhaps in the 13th, when the king was finally strong enough to impose at least some laws all over his realm.
Andejons ( talk) 19:30, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
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"Sweden's capital is Stockholm, with 1.3 million inhabitants also the largest city" should be changed to "Sweden's capital is Stockholm, with 1.4 million inhabitants also the largest city".
The correct rounding of 1.37 million ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm) with one decimal place is 1.4 million.
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I would like you to check if the list with the largest cities of sweden is correct. It´s not the same list as this http://www.scb.se/Statistik/MI/MI0810/2010A01/MI0810_2010A01_SM_MI38SM1101.pdf, scroll down to page 9 on the pdf. This list is provided by "Statistiska Centralbyrån" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistics_Sweden, this source should be very reliable. The adequacy of this list of cities shoulb be investigated. thank you! Jogo93 ( talk) 21:03, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
The article says that Sweden has not been directly involved in wars for 200 years. I disagree with this claim. At the moment, Sweden has three armoured battalions in Afghanistan and has lost six soldiers in combat. I believe that is direct participation in war. 72.198.79.196 ( talk) 03:45, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
At the 4th footnote is said that Swedish-speaking finns and other groups born outside of Sweden might consider themselves to be Swedish is absolutely wrong. We are our own people and we consider ourselves to be Finnish if anyone asks. I don't know any case of a Swedish-speaking finn who would consider himself to be Swedish. If you find a source for this i might consider it to be okay. But we're Finns alright, as much as the Americans not are British. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.73.56.50 ( talk) 16:33, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
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as a citation is needed.
192.71.204.18 ( talk) 14:31, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
"The Swedish name Sverige (a conjunction of the words Svea and Rike – the latter is still spelt with the letter g, "rige", in modern Danish)" I dont see why it says how it spelled in danish, the important part it how it spelled in Swedish (rike). Otherwise you could wright up all translation of the word "rike". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Haxmannen ( talk • contribs) 10:53, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
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"Sweden has 162,707 km (101,101 mi) of paved road and 1,428 km (887 mi) of expressways. Motorways run through Sweden, Denmark and over the Öresund Bridge to Stockholm, Gothenburg, Uppsala and Uddevalla. The system of motorways is still under construction and a new motorway from Uppsala to Gävle was finished on 17 October 2007."
This is incomplete information. the Swedes call the oresund Bridge the Orebro. The line should be changed to 'Sweden has 162,707 km (101,101 mi) of paved road and 1,428 km (887 mi) of expressways. Motorways run through Sweden, Denmark and over the Öresund Bridge, or Örebro, to Stockholm, Gothenburg, Uppsala and Uddevalla. The system of motorways is still under construction and a new motorway from Uppsala to Gävle was finished on 17 October 2007.
Badgerknox ( talk) 17:43, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
It says in the picture (section Economny), that "Nordstan, the largest shopping mall in northern Europe" which is false information. Please correct this one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.247.253.170 ( talk) 20:40, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
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i am not saying change anything i am requesting an addition to Swedish music. Where it Talks about Yngwie Malmsteen you should also add skwisgaar skwigelf from the band Dethklok since he is a notable musician from Sweden.
my reliable source is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skwisgaar_Skwigelf#Skwisgaar_Skwigelf
i hope you make the right choice and make the addition to the page.
Zombieinc ( talk) 18:22, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
The Sweden Democrats are not a far-right party. That term is a political tool used by their political and ideological opponents to discredit them. On an economic scale, their position is centrist or right of center at most because they are in support of the Swedish welfare state and describe themselves as "social democratic." On a social scale, they are more in support of the Swedish model of ethnic tolerance (as they argue it) for pragmatic reasons of social cohesion making them national conservatives, which could be described as traditionalist in one sense, as well as for reasons of cultural preference, which shows that they are civic nationalist as well due to their beliefs that "anyone can be Swedish" through assimilation; this is a far cry from the ideology of ethnic nationalism that groups popularly and more traditionally described as "far-right" exhibit, which seems to be a threshold marker to be accurately defined as such. Just because a source is sited describing the Sweden Democrats as "far-right" does of course not make it so especially if these are journalistic sources who write stories without a necessity for academic integrity and whom are often openly tied to specific political parties or ideologies as is the case in much of Europe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.251.196.58 ( talk) 01:23, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
Agreed that the left-right scale is not as accurate and relevant as it once was, but the placement of the Sweden Democrats as a far-right party is correct on that scale. Read i.e. Left-right politics. /111126 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.150.250.36 ( talk) 04:19, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
I think extreme caution must be used when dealing neutrally with any matters political on WP, and I'm not sure that is the case here. An extra effort to be perfectly neutral would be a great idea. Some of you are obviously pushing your personal political views and dismissing the POV of your opposites, using clichés and catch phrases. That's not appropriate in an article about any country or any political movement. SergeWoodzing ( talk) 21:11, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
The statement in the intro paragraph that Sweden has not been directly involved in any war since 1812 seems contradicted by over 500 Swedish troops fighting "directly" against the Taliban in the Afghanistan War. Six Swedish soldiers have been killed in action "directly" by enemy fire. I'd say this bogus claim that Sweden has not participated in war since 1812 needs to be deleted. 72.198.76.97 ( talk) 03:40, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
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As all Swedish citizen know, Sweden does not, and have not ever had, an official language. 'Swedish' is merely the main language along with eight minor languages (some of them are in the text). This is 5th grade knowledge in Sweden, you cannot find "Swedish" as an official language in the Swedish law. Nowhere.
Lollofix ( talk) 22:38, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
Swedish was long the de facto official language in Sweden, but as of 2009 it actually is the official language, along with 5 minority languages. See source. Nymf hideliho! 06:26, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
The following two statements are contradictory yet one appears in the entry for
Sweden the other in the entry for
Russia:
from
Sweden
"The eastern half of Sweden, present-day Finland, was lost to Russia in 1809."
from
Russia#Imperial_Russia
"This continued with Alexander I's (1801–25) wresting of Finland from the weakened kingdom of Sweden in 1809."
Would someone please clarify/correct one or the other (or both!)?
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Being a Swede, I can't understand the point in having the royal anthem (literally "The King's Song" in Swedish) posted in the article. The royal anthem is not considered official in any way and is not sung by other than strong royalist. Although Sweden strangely is a monarchy, keeping it does not correlate to the powerless position the monarchy has in Sweden. The article in Swedish does not have it. /111111 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.150.250.36 ( talk) 01:24, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
AS far as I know, Sweden doesn't have any official statistics about ethnicity. Still in the infobox it's written that 90.8% of the population are Swedes (a very exact number). This is very strange because further down one can read that "18% of the population had foreign origins", of course it's fully plausible that a large proportion of them have assimilated, but which source says that? Also, there are also a few people who belong to ancient minority groups who have lived in Sweden for centuries without assimilating, e.g. Samis and Tornedalians. To which group do they belong? The ethnic groups numbers seem to have been made very arbitrarily. Aaker ( talk) 12:47, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
The lead sentence in the section on the economy contains some pretty dramatic statements without citation. Specifically, it refers to Sweden's "modern distribution system, excellent internal and external communications, and a skilled labour force". Does anyone have a source to verify these three separate claims? Some statistics could help - ports per capita, kilometers of fiber optic cable, average years of education, etc. CaseyPenk ( talk) 05:32, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
I noticed this page lost its Good Article status and I see some areas for improvement. I've made a list below. Please expand it with additional items, comment on it, and check items off as you complete them. Thanks! CaseyPenk ( talk) 12:34, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
OK, let's make this clear. First of all, talking about "Goths" in Swedish history is just muddying the waters. The correct article is Geats.
Second, there is no clear date for when Sweden was formed, because there is no clear definition. If one wants to talk about when Svealand and Götaland were first united under one king, then Olof Skötkonung is the first King for which we have evidence. Eric the Victorious is the first king in modern Sweden who is considered to have existed at all, without any doubt, but that does not make him a sensible marker for when the country came into being. In fact, some historians would argue that Sweden was not fully formed until the 13th century...
The end of the Kalmar union is a more sensible date to use, even if it was mostly a formal detail, and a coincidental one, by then. There had been quite suceesful attempts to dissolve the union long before that, Gustav Vasa was just the one who managed to make it permanent.
The union with Norway makes no sense in this context. Sweden's autonomy was in no way affected by it. It makes about as much sense in this context as the American independence would for the UK.
Andejons ( talk) 06:25, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
An edit like this - a reversal without discussion here - is not constructive. It is far fetched to require comparison of a fact in a country's economy to other countries, only because the fact looks embarrrassing to certain politicians and economic groupings. The editor in action here has a clear (self-published) political affiliation which makes h editing looked far from neutral. I am removing the tag again as it looks like clear politcal bias to me. SergeWoodzing ( talk) 12:30, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
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Please change the following sentence under History - Viking and Middle Ages from:
Their routes passed through the Dnieper down south to Constantinople, on which they did numerous raids.
to:
Their routes passed through the Dnieper down south to Constantinople, on which they carried out numerous raids.
Use of 'did' is clumsy and while valid it is better English to say 'carried out'
Pmbeck ( talk) 03:59, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
The article says (my emphasis):
Carl Michael Bellman did not compose his own music but took up the best songs of his times and added very witty texts. Contemporary with Bellman was Abbé Vogler who was a composer, but there are better examples to use. -- 81.229.102.134 ( talk) 18:24, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
^ "Sydsvenskan (a Swedish newspaper) – in Swedish". Sydsvenskan.se. 2006-02-08. Retrieved 2010-08-25.
It's been almost two years ago this was retrived & updated(!)
and it's from a controversial (scania/southern) swedish newspapper with a biased POV,
which i really don't think is suited as a reference source for an encyclopedia
and should be removed as such.
-- Byzantios ( talk) 11:20, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
Again, a biased POV newspapper, specially a notoriously biased tabloid as Sydsvenskan, is not suitable as a reference source in an encyclopedia and should be removed and annother, unbiased/not POV reference source replace it. And you said it yourself: there are better sources, and no doubt unbiased and not POV twisted.
-- Byzantios ( talk) 17:19, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
In February 2011, several sections (including the one on architecture) were added by User:FesCityRaver, who has later been permanently banned as a sock puppet. The architecture section claimed (until August 2012) that most buildings before the 13th century were built from brick, which is nonsense, and in disagreement with the main article. Several other statements are poorly written, perhaps wrong, and in need of a review and factchecking. -- LA2 ( talk) 03:38, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
Croatian writer Giancarlo Kravar: Sweden was the first European country to introduce bills 1661st year, and probably will be the first and out of use. Banknotes and coins have a percentage of only three percent of payments in the Swedish economy, and even the donations received for the church with the help of credit card or SMS. Neither public transport in Sweden can no longer pay cash. 93.137.42.94 ( talk) 05:21, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
Under Literature, it is stated that Larsson based Lisbeth Salander on Longstocking. This is not entirely true and it certainly doesn't say this in the article (which is a dead link, btw). He was influenced by the character. Not sure how to resolve this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sabbersolo ( talk • contribs) 11:41, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
Please make your views known in this discussion on: Talk:Parliament of Sweden#Requested move .282012.29. RicJac ( talk) 07:47, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
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The currently displayed population census of 2012 was an estimate. The SCB published the actual census a few days ago. The number was 9,555,893. Currently 9,540,065 is displayed and this needs to be changed as the estimation was too low by quite a lot. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonas Henriksson ( talk • contribs) 11:57, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
The article states that 6.2% of the population is of another ethnic group than Swedish, though in the source referred to, ( http://www.scb.se/Pages/TableAndChart____26041.aspx) it states that in reality, 14.7 are foreign born, and a total of 19.1% is either born out of Sweden or has both parents born out of Sweden. The 6.2% to in the article represents the number of people living in Sweden who has not yet retained citizenship, but not the number of people of non-Swedish ethincity. According to Wikipedias own article about Swedes as an ethnic group, 7.712.376 people in the world are of Swedish ethnicity, which accounts for 81.9% of the total population of Sweden. Hence, the number 6.2% referred to for non-ethnic Swede's is by all means proven incorrect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.209.178.243 ( talk) 00:23, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
I suggest we !vote on this topic so we can get a degree of consensus. I propose that we remove the statistics on ethnicity. Personally, I would prefer having no statistics on this particular issue to having misleading ones. I'm also open to the idea of adding nationality or country of origin information, because the Swedish government actually publishes statistics to that effect. CaseyPenk ( talk) 14:22, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
It is unfair to hide this statistical and official estimation to the Swedish people and the world.It is clear that some group of people want to use hide information for their political personal views. The numbers must be changed to 80%. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.91.202.88 ( talk) 21:13, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
The Ethnic Swedish population is at 78% and decreasing every year because of mass immigration in Sweden. To hide this fact is to hide the reality of the country. http://affes.wordpress.com/2011/10/22/nordisk-bakgrund-i-sverige-1900-2010/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anton88be ( talk • contribs) 13:42, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
Dear Sjö ( talk) , the stats may not be perfect but it gives a good idea on the current demographics of Sweden. Also there has never been more than 4% of non nordic foreigners in Sweden before 1961. 20% of people with foreign background means that there is 80% that have no foreign background.
I accept your arguments but you must accept mine. Lets say 80% of Swedes with no foreign background. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anton88be ( talk • contribs) 05:23, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
"Ethnicity" of Swedes in a genetic sense is very illusive to discuss due to all the large demographic changes in the past (Finns, Belgians, Germans, Scottish settling in different areas). A huge percentage of the population, while having grown up in Sweden, have a partially Finnish background and yet nobody perceives them as a different ethnicity anymore. "Ethnicity" may also be interpreted in a cultural sense. Still the problem of line-drawing remains. For instance, Norwegians speak a language that is mutually intelligible with Swedish. They have almost exactly the same culture and values. Is a child of a Swedish mother and a Norwegian father of a partially different ethnicity? A "yes" would be completely rediculous. We could perhaps speak of a Scandinavian-Germanic or North-Germanic ethnicity, summing up Swedes, Danes, Norwegians, Icelanders and Foroese as an ensemble of peoples with a largely common cultural background. While neglecting a few extreme areas, most people of foreign background who were born in Sweden or arrived there at a young age have largely assimilated the local behaviour and values, even though they have foreign parents. Thus it is not relevant to consider them as a different ethnicity in the cultural sense anymore. Because of all these reasons, stating numbers regarding ethnicity is rediculous. The only factual, indisputable number that we can give is the one based on place of birth. According to Eurostat, that would be 14.3 %. Thus 85.7 % of the population in Sweden are Swedes. ( Jonas Henriksson ( talk) 17:45, 22 February 2013 (UTC))
I think you exaggerate the impact of the small amount of immigration that happened prior to modern times. Most of us are likely to have some foreign heritage, but that that will still be just a drop in a deep sea.
I for instance have forest Finns in my lineage 300 years back in time, but that only make me 1/216 Finnish. Anyway, it is better to provide no information over disinformation, as we don't really know how many people consider themselves Swedish. --
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If you read the swedish wikipedia's article on the history of Gothenburg, you will find that a very large percentage of the population of Gothenburg during the years that followed the city's founding came from Scotland, Germany and the Netherlands. The scottish influence is the reason to why the name "Glenn" persists in Western Sweden. You would find a similar relation between Stockholm+Uppsala and Germans. At one point, 40 % of the population in Uppsala had German names. What we can conclude is that the cities at the time of their founding had significant immigration. Subsequent urbanization of rural people must have lead to a dilution of that, as you say, but with such a sparesly populated country, could it really be as a drop in the deep sea? Two rivers joining would be a more suitable analogy. Moreover, the older story is not concluded. Recent findings show that the people who brought agriculture to Sweden came from the Mediterranean ( http://www.nature.com/news/ancient-swedish-farmer-came-from-the-mediterranean-1.10541) and were genetically similar to today's Cypriots and Sardinians. That was 6000 years ago, which is a very short time in genetics. ( Jonas Henriksson ( talk) 10:21, 2 March 2013 (UTC))
You are talking about times when the urban population was a very minor part of a country's total population. According to genetic studies that I've read ( http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0022547), Swedes are fairly homogeneous compared to other European peoples. Besides, migrations that happened prior to there even being differences amongst the Indo-European branch of people are not very relevant to the definition of the modern Swedish ethnicity. -- 94.255.146.227 ( talk) 07:16, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
It is true that the urbanites were a minority at the time. But do you know to what extent? The rural population of Sweden at the time was not very large neither. The total population of Sweden at the peak of its imperial period was estimated to 2.5 million people, thus the population in Sweden proper was even smaller. The statement you made is not actually strengthened by the article you refer to. You said that Swedes are fairly homogeneous compared to other European people, but actually the article states that Northern Swedes (who have always been a minority) are genetically inhomogeneous and they differ from Southern Swedes (who have always been in majority) who are genetically homogeneous. It is also explained that people in the state of Utah (who have mainly British, Scandinavian and German ancestry) differ very little genetically from Southern Swedes. That mainly shows that Southern Swedes fit together closely with other groups of germanic language speakers. It is the Northern Swedes, the minority, that are the differing group. The article also argues that continental Europeans and Britons must have migrated to Southern Sweden, explaining the genetic composition of the people living there today. The conclusion is thus that the Southern Swedes are homogeneous with (not "compared to", of that there is no mention) other European people. Furthermore, the expansion of agriculture predates the expansion of the Indo-European languages by a couple of thousand years, depending on the region. You cannot make a statement about the definition of any European ethnicity without taking into account how they came to be. The migrations bringing agriculture as well as the migrations bringing in indo-european languages were clearly relevant in the forming of the Swedish ethnicity, as it is relevant to the formation of Spanish, Italian, Russian, German or any other European ethnicities. An alternative image would be that the Swedes descend from the hunter-gatherer bands that arrived after the end of the last glacial period. The truth is that this group mixed with a number of other later arriving groups and that the same story is likely to apply for almost all of Europe. ( Jonas Henriksson ( talk) 16:04, 3 March 2013 (UTC))
It is written in the article that the country's official name is Konungariket Sverige. I have tried to look up what official document this is based on. Can someone help me with this? Stora Kogha ( talk) 13:18, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
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Please change the amount of Hockey World Championships wins from eight to nine since Sweden won this years championship.
http://hockeyarchive.info/en/t/95/2013-ice-hockey-world-championship/
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I just read the new sentence in the introduction: "Nevertheless, the country has experienced social tensions, particularly in areas in which significant numbers of immigrants have settled."
Is this supposed to be a joke? I'd wager more cars are burned in Paris on an average weekend than in all of Sweden during those riots, and yet nothing is mentioned regarding social tensions on the wikipedia site concerning France. You could make the same argument regarding the Netherlands or Germany. This sentence could come later in the article, discussing this particular topic, but in the introduction it really looks like a bad joke. Is that more notable so many other things that are not mentioned in the introduction? The sentence should be removed. Please change as soon as possible.
Jonas Henriksson ( talk) 20:06, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
I agree, I undid the edit commenting it was too sweeping of a statement, but User:SergeWoodzing undid it, again, sadly not indulging himself on the talk page. He is talking about the article 'clearly' talking about widespread rioting. He surely needs to be more specific than that, or how is someone supposed to be able to dispute any such abstract statement. I will reverse it back and ask him to at least let us talk about it here first. Dux Ducis Hodiernus ( talk) 12:27, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
OK. You cannot claim that anything the New York Times writes about Stockholm is notable with respect to Sweden only because it is written in the New York Times. I agree that the NYT is a generally respected newspaper. However, do you really consider this newspaper an authority on the issue? Their main audience consists of North Americans, but the article relates to the affairs of a European country. Look at the article more closely! It is weak and shallow! Look at the sweeping, poorly supported statements! Did Sweden become "the center of a heated debate across Europe about immigration and the tensions it causes in a time of deep economic malaise"? I have searched for articles on this topic in French and English media. Le Monde showed the most interest and put the riots into context in a fairly indepth article (www.lemonde.fr/europe/article/2013/05/30/emeutes-urbaines-en-suede-le-prix-de-la-segregation_3420578_3214.html). However, since then, French media seems to have lost interest and I find no continuation of the discussion from the month of June. Furthermore, it seems that only English language newspaper that has continued to write anything about the topic in June is The Local, which is Sweden-based (!) and has very little impact. It seems this "heated debate across Europe" died pretty quickly!
I live in Switzerland, and I discuss topics such as these with Swiss, French and Italians among tohers. They found that the topic was passé one week after the Husby riots. If I asked them today, then probably they wouldn't even remember that it happened. I believe the reason to that is that the riots were simply too meek and therefore didn't leave a lasting impression: According to the wikipedia page on this topic, 150 vehicules were torched, causing a loss of about 63m SEK (€7.1m). They involved some 50-100 persons. To put into perspective, the Paris riots in 2005 led to the torching of 8,973 vehicules and the loss of about €200 Million. 2,888 arrests were made and two people died. Do you see this event described in the lead in the article about France? And do you really think that the Husby riots carried echoes of the riots in Paris? The comparison made in the article you refer to is simply patheticly naïve. You mention concerns among Stockholmers that you know. That is not an authoritative source. Again, this sentence has nothing to do in the lead. You believe that the riots are important for the country's future, but they happened only slightly more than a month ago. In your last paragraph, you are describing your personal feelings and interpretations. Again, not a very strong authority. I may feel that soccer-related hooliganism is a bigger problem and that's been around for several decades. Why don't we write about Sweden's serious problems with soccer-related hooliganism in the lead? For the sake of consistency and relevance, this sentence has to go out of the lead. It can appear further down in the text with some more substance (perhaps in the public policy section). Please edit! Jonas Henriksson ( talk) 19:17, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
After looking into wikipedia: undue weight more indepth, it is clear to me that the sentence "Nevertheless, according to the New York Times, the country has experienced social tensions, particularly in areas in which significant numbers of immigrants have settled." must be removed. Putting this sentence in the lede gives the issue a disproportionate significance which is not coherent with having a neutral point of view. The sentence is based on a news report concerning events that are very recent. From Wikipedia's text regarding a Neutral point of view: "An article should not give undue weight to any aspects of the subject but should strive to treat each aspect with a weight appropriate to its significance to the subject. For example, discussion of isolated events, criticisms, or news reports about a subject may be verifiable and impartial, but still disproportionate to their overall significance to the article topic. This is a concern especially in relation to recent events that may be in the news. Note that undue weight can be given in several ways, including, but not limited to, depth of detail, quantity of text, prominence of placement, and juxtaposition of statements." The sentence is based on a recent news report. Editors may have been affected by the attention peak that the events received. However, that attention died out very fast. In addition, the article is about the country of Sweden, but the events took place in a very localized area. The mentioned sentence gives a disproportionate significance to the events for this article. I would like to advise more care to be taken in future editing. Jonas Henriksson ( talk) 12:30, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
An editor who has not been able to get consensus for h POV here on the talk page has now adandoned it and begun doing this type of arbitrary edit (bordering on edit war), to get his way anyway. I must object to the method. -- SergeWoodzing ( talk) 14:41, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
Truckfighters are a fairly popular Swedish band. Can they be added to the list of bands under the "heavy metal" title? TurboThunderdome ( talk) 19:19, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
Looking at the other bands listed I guess they aren't that popular...yet. And not being Swedish, I can't demonstrate significance. TurboThunderdome ( talk) 16:11, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
It has been suggested that I bring this to the attention of editors here. -- SergeWoodzing ( talk) 12:47, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
The table on religion is outdated , please add
| 2009 || 9,340,682 || 6,664,064|| 71.3%<ref>[http://www.kyrkanstidning.se/kyrkanstidning/nyheter/inrikes/dystra_siffror_for_dop_och_vigslar_0_13864.news.aspx Dystra siffror för dop och vigslar] {{sv}}, [http://www.kyrkanstidning.se Kyrkans Tidning], May 27, 2010.</ref><ref>[http://www.svenskakyrkan.se/default.aspx?id=645562 Svenska kyrkans medlemsutveckling år 1972-2009]</ref> |- style="text-align:center;" | 2010 || 9,415,570 || 6,589,769 || 70.0% |- style="text-align:center;" | 2011 || 9,482,855 || 6,519,889 || 68.8%<ref>[http://www.svenskakyrkan.se/default.aspx?id=890756&ptid=48063 Medlemmar i Svenska kyrkan 1972-2011.pdf] svenskakyrkan.se</ref> |- style="text-align:center;" | 2012 || 9,555,893 || 6,446,729 || 67.5%<ref name="svenskakyrkan.se"/> thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peterniels ( talk • contribs) 16:10, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
The climate source doesn't work. I strongly suggest to use the SMHI very thorough data instead (period 1961-90)
First I question the terminology. There has never been any Emperor that has ruled any Swedish territory. The British Empire is different, since the Queen/King in the UK also was Emperor of India. But the map - I would argue that before the beginning of the 19th century, the border between Norway and Sweden was undecided. Along the coast Norwegian fishermen lived all the way to the Kola-peninsula (in Russia). But further away from the coast, and north of Jämtland, only the Sami people lived (except at the Baltic Sea coast). Other maps from this time usually doesn't print out any Swedish-Norwegian border north of Jämtland. Boeing720 ( talk) 02:29, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
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The definition of Sweden being a "Scandinavian country" in the first sentence should be removed or placed further down. This information is secondary and does not define Sweden at this basic level. Instead Sweden should be defined as a "parliamentary constitutional monarchy". 213.100.99.103 ( talk) 18:23, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
I have previously asked several times that there be less unflattering & embarrassing boasting about Sweden in this article, and I recently removed a huge boast by a little private organization that few people have ever heard of. Because of this edit and the previous one, where I was reversed, I have now red-linked that "prominent" organization (quoting another user), which I still do not believe should be used for a boast that huge. If so it should be well known enough for it's own article. Who/what else says it's "prominent"? -- SergeWoodzing ( talk) 07:46, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
The Administrative Divisions section of the article gives the impression that municipalities are subdivision of counties, and thereby subordinate to them. This is not correct.
The geographical boundaries usually do coincide with the outward boundaries of the outer municipalities. But there are two separate Governmental institutions covering the county geographic area: the County Administrative Board - which is an arm of the Central State and purely administrative; and the County Council - which is an elected body with a supporting administration whose primarily responsibilities lie in health and public transport.
The County Council is legally at the same LOCAL GOVERNMENT level as the Municipal Council, also with its own administrative system. The municipalities have a wide range of statutorily compulsory and some voluntary fields of responsibility. These do not include health and public transport. However, because of the nature of some fields of responsibility - like care of the elderly, and of children, local roads and their associated infrastructure (drainage, street lighting etc.) there are obviously many points of contact. Swedish public sector organisations are generally known for their high level of cooperation and coordination. Sweden is also remarkable in the extent of decentralisation of authority. Local authorities (municipal and county)receive the lion share of income tax with payment to the municipality/county of residence - not employment; they have a virtual monopoly on planning (municipal plans do not require approval at any higher level). Once again, there is a great deal of consultation, coordinatin and cooperation between different organisations, and among municipalities themselves. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mohembo ( talk • contribs) 21:33, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
Found in this section: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden#Demographics — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.17.100.29 ( talk) 09:35, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
"Sweden receives between 500 and 500 and 800 mm" --> "Sweden receives between 500 and 800 mm"
Just a little mistake
http://sweden.se/society/history-of-sweden/ This is Sweden's government website and they know there own history. The language is German based not the people. Facts are Germany does not have a DNA project!. So how can you prove they have Germanic blood. And Swedish peoples DNA is most similar in ratios to other Central European countries like Czech Republic and Poland. Google, Jomsborg, Jomsborg Vikings, Skane slavic, Skane slavic pottery, slavic pagans, King Eric of Pomerania Also old English did not exist before the late 12th Century ( You must mean Latin/Roman) Does it hurt to do a little research?. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.33.7.110 ( talk) 10:35, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
I wonder what in the classification of the Sweden Democrats as centre-right constitutes a compromise? There was no scientific research supporting such a description. A quick Google Scholar search for "Sweden Democrats" yields papers supporting the opposite (populist right, racist right and radical right populist are the first three descriptions of the party [5] [6] [7]) and while they may not be considered neutral by proponents of the Sweden Democrats they are indicative of most theory regarding the Sweden Democrats. A compromise could be describing the parties in government as centre-right and the Sweden Democrats as right-wing. Martymcflyer ( talk) 04:27, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
There is a mistake in the article. Please, according to the Clip (Cbn) correct! https://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2012/April/Swedish-Home-Schoolers-Flee-Parental-Inquisition/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.129.155.154 ( talk) 03:55, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
It says: "Post-war era: Sweden was officially a neutral country and remained outside NATO and Warsaw pact membership during the Cold War, but privately Sweden's leadership had strong ties with the United States and other western governments."
This sounds somewhat sneaky, as there's a front of neutrality and behind everybody's back they have strong ties. This ought to be substantiated because it implies the accusation of hypocrisy. 121.209.53.9 ( talk) 04:16, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
I apologize if I did not explain my edits. The lead should never contain specific details about some magazine ranking this country in this place and so on. It should contain very general information and the main highlights of the country. For example, is it really necessary to specifically mention Newsweek and what ranking they gave the country? This should be mentioned later in the article, not in the lead. See any featured or good article and you will understand. All these rankings can just be put under "Sweden does well in comparisons of this, that" and so on, which is what I did and why I said the lead should be modified. KingdomHearts25 ( talk) 13:54, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
The motto, "För Sverige - i tiden" is now translated as "For Sweden – With the Times". A better and more accurate translation is "For Sweden – In Time".— Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]])
While you're right that if the Royal Court uses it, then of course that is the one we're sticking with. But what I want to say is that "i tiden" -> "in the time" (lit. translation). "With the times" -> "Med tiden" (lit. translation). The difference between "i tid" and "i tiden" is that the latter is the definite article. We both know that the motto of Sweden has nothing to do with being late or not, neither was I implying that it was. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.160.25.188 ( talk) 18:22, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
In the subsection "Modern History" there are two references to the potato, in the first and third paragraphs respectively. However none of them is highlighted in blue ( I mean, they are not hyperlinks linking to the potato article).
The potato, as the article clearly demonstrates, was a VERY important crop for the very survival of many nations such as Sweden (and MANY others in Europe and elsewhere). Therefore the word potato should be hyperlinked. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.244.10.77 ( talk) 21:23, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
This article has been revised as part of a large-scale clean-up project of multiple article copyright infringement. (See the investigation subpage) Earlier text must not be restored, unless it can be verified to be free of infringement. For legal reasons, Wikipedia cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material; such additions must be deleted. Contributors may use sources as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences or phrases. Accordingly, the material may be rewritten, but only if it does not infringe on the copyright of the original or plagiarize from that source. Please see our guideline on non-free text for how to properly implement limited quotations of copyrighted text. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously. Diannaa ( talk) 23:08, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
We shouldn't be listing the prime minister-designate. GoodDay ( talk) 00:38, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
In the introduction, the text goes "Germanic peoples have inhabited Sweden since prehistoric times, emerging into history as the Gotar and Svear tribes and contributing to the sea peoples known as the Vikings.", I think Gotar should be replaced with Geats, especially as Gotar redirects to Gotlander
Hansbo ( talk) 08:07, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure Tycho Brahe was Danish, even though being born in a now swedish city. At the site for Tycho Brahe, it says he was danish, so putting it in the section for swedish science would be misleading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.143.69.99 ( talk) 15:54, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
Done Tycho Brahe was most definitely Danish not Swedish, and died long before Scania was ceded to Sweden. So he should not be listed as a Swedish scientist... Thomas.W talk 16:04, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
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In the first paragraph it states that Southern Sweden is predominantly agricultural and northern Sweden mainly forest. This isn't true. (I am Swedish and I live in Sweden all my life). Only the southernmost tip (Skåne) is mainly agricultural. Forestry is the main industry (and covers most of the land) in the rest of Southern Sweden too. See for example the article on Småland. (Which is clearly southern Sweden). See how the land is there? It is also mainly forest and lake. 213.114.44.178 ( talk) 10:01, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
Not done There are large agricultural areas in Halland, Blekinge, Västergötland, Östergötland and Uppland too, which, from a geographical standpoint, are also part of "Southern Sweden". Thomas.W talk 10:45, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
The current phrase is problematic. Here, "predominantely" by definition means that more than 50 % is agricultural. However, there is no source to support this claim! Moreover, "Southern Sweden" is vague. Does this refer to the geographic southern half of the country? In this case, then surely much less than 50 % of the land is agricultural, which means that the statement at present is directly errenous. I would propose two options to deal with this problem:
1. Find a reliable source that gives figures for the percentage of land occupied by agriculture and forest in the different regions. Adapt the text accordingly.
2. Moderate the current phrase. Instead of "predominantly", the phrase could read, for instance, "While the land in Sweden is predominantly covered by forests, significant parts of Southern Sweden are agricultural."
Let's be a bit creative and find a better solution to this!
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The following part from the religion section:
"Sociology professor Phil Zuckerman claims that Swedes, despite a lack of belief in God, commonly resent the term atheist, preferring to call themselves Christians while being content with remaining in the Church of Sweden.[168] Other research has shown that religion in Sweden continues to play a role in cultural identity.[169] This is evidenced by the fact that around 70 per cent of adults continue to remain members of the Lutheran Church[170] despite having to pay a church tax; moreover, rates of baptism remain high and church weddings are increasing in Sweden"
seems to be from highly speculative research. I would also argue that this research is not well-recognized for this area and constitutes a very thin opinion. Therefore, I think this section should be removed since it gives the reader a speculative (and with a non negligible high probability incorrect) insight on religion in Sweden.
For instance "This is evidenced by the fact that around 70 per cent of adults continue to remain members of the Lutheran Church" is misguiding since this number is steadily declining every year. The sentence makes the user believe that this number is steady around 70 percent. This is evidently not the case since the percentage (this information is taken from table in the wiki article) is down to 67.5% in 2012. If one checks the history of the wiki article one can see that the sentence has been around for a while but the numbers have changed. It was changed sometime after june 2013 from 80 to 70 percent. I would therefore strongly advice that this specific sentence should be removed since it's not scientific. The removal of whole part would also increase the quality of the article.
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Why did they never put "Category:States and territories established in "<any year>"" for Sweden?
I do not know how long Sweden have been a country for? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.100.127.71 ( talk) 13:16, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
Was he badly burned to death?
How did the first King of Sweden died from?
Then 7 centuries later, what had cause to have a disastrous fire?
I don't see any reason to have several different dates for the establishment of Sweden. The current nation state as we know it goes back to 1523 according to most interpretations. There is a pre-history, but since this article is about the modern state, it's unclear why anything but 1523 should be in the infobox.
Motivations are needed and, more importantly, they need to be in sync with article content. The infobox has to be a summary of the article and should focus on the most official or widely recognized facts. Anyone who wants to describe nuances like prehistory or other major political changes can do so in the article, where proper context can be provided.
Peter Isotalo 19:15, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
As Thomas.W has pointed out already, nobody excepts Peter Isotalo agrees on 1523 as the starting date. The article used to say the Middle ages for years, until Peter Isotalo changed it in February, and has kept reverting anyone who opposes. Jeppiz ( talk) 21:38, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
I have to say I agree with the others that I don't see any reason not to have multiple establishment dates if these are adequately supported by RS. I'm not sure whether EU accession is one to include, but as mentioned below since this is one which affects most EU countries in a similar way, it's likely that most should be treated the same way and therefore it would be best to have a centralised discussion. Nil Einne ( talk) 07:10, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
Is Peter Isotalo now seriously requiring a source that Sweden joined the EU 1st January 1995 ( [30]), or is the use of tags just to make a WP:POINT? Jeppiz ( talk) 21:51, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
Supported by the "List of Florence" (references:"Mission und Kirchenorganisation Zur Zeit der Christianisierung Schwedens" by sv:Kjell Kumlien, published in Konstanz, 1968, which includes information about the List of Florence, including describing the list as being a guide for travellers, with the names of Swedish provinces, rather than an ecclesiastical list of names of dioceses (it is available as a pdf in German from the library of the University of Heidelberg, but the Google reference link is blacklisted, so I can't add it here; if you do a Google search on "Nomina insularum de regno sueuorum" on Google you'll get a download link there) and Fornvännen (one of the most highly regarded scientific publications about Northern European history, if not the most highly regarded), 1952 pp 178-187, author Adolf Schück ( downloadable as a pdf in Swedish), plus Utrikespolitiska Institutet stating in their country guide that a unified Sweden, comprising both Svealand and Götaland has existed since the 12th century. Thomas.W talk 11:21, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for your edits and for your diligence, Thomas. It's unfortunate that Peter tries to wear down anyone disagreeing, but as you point out, he has never provided a single source himself, and his random tagging, removal of sources and continued edit warring against consensus is purely disruptive. Jeppiz ( talk) 14:12, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
·maunus · snunɐɯ· 14:26, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
If there is a consensus to leave out the EU accession, I won't object. As I said, I just put it in as I followed the praxis of other EU country infoboxes but it's not something I have strong feelings about one way or the other. Jeppiz ( talk) 18:05, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
I'm for leaving it out altogether. It has no significance to the formation of Sweden and is no more important than a whole bunch of other events (independence from Denmark, Thirty Years War, losing the Baltic possessions, losing Finland, the 1809 constitution, first democratic elections, WW II, etc.) Peter Isotalo 18:55, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
I tried to implement the result of our discussion as a kind of compromise version, removing EU, adding the kalmar union and the 12th century establishment of the first unified kingdom. I hope this is agreeable to all and I havent misread the consensus? Otherwise Here is a place to make further suggestions for improvements. ·maunus · snunɐɯ· 20:48, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
It seems to be irrelevant by now, but in case a similar dispute arises, I looked up general works on the history of Sweden and tried to identify what established historians have to say about establishment. Here's a short summary with quotes (quotes in parentheses are chapter names):
Note that mention of the 1164 archdiocese is only mentioned in passing in Den svenska historien part two. This is why I always argue against any attempts to argue the importance of history based on personal evaluation of events.
Also note the similar terminology used about the consolidation of the medieval kingdoms and the establishment of the modern kingdom under Gustav I; the two are clearly seen as pivotal events. This the result of quick check at slightly dated popular works on history written by professional historians at the SU library. There might be very different perspectives in more recent works (which was unavailable at the time). None of this is going to show up in any Google searches, mind you.
Peter Isotalo 21:23, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
It is established that the English language use Gothenburg (not "Göteborg") as well as Scania (not "Skåne") and this is English Wikipedia, not Swedish. Things like IFK Göteborg and Region Skåne are more specific and lackes English names. But when talking about in what province a city is located in, isn't among those specific matters when we use Swedish terminology here. People from provinces less known through British history shouldn't take offence just because Scania and Gothenburg exist in the English vocabulary. Please remember this is written for English readers. Boeing720 ( talk) 04:36, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
I noted the naval flag and lesser coat of arms added to the infobox footnotes by Sekreterare and the footnote symbol added after the greater coat of arms by P. S. Burton, but there was no corresponding link to the first footnote. I have added the footnote symbol after the civil and state flag, although it was a bit fiddly and has left some awkward code to make the {{ infobox country}} template work. I've mentioned this at Template talk:Infobox country § Flag captions to see if the code can be simplified, but at least it looks right on a superficial level. — sroc 💬 22:34, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
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Although the code is imperfect, it is necessary to make the {{ infobox country}} template format the caption correctly. So, what's wrong with it? — sroc 💬 17:10, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
"its [ sic broke". Can we get the D going? — sroc 💬 10:57, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
Citing a nytimes article and a obscure book to say that swedes resent the word atheist and the church wedding are increasing is false and should be taken care of. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.243.217.245 ( talk) 23:17, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
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I was reading this article: How laissez faire made Sweden rich:
Seems on the Wikipedia search of the central figures discussed in the article the facts seem true. I haven't read a lot of Swedish history so is this revisionist or is this article fact and should be better represented in the 1850-1950 2.5 Modern history section? The current section makes it seem like the government socialist actions "government-sponsored programmes" and "Strong grassroots movements sprung up in Sweden during the latter half of the 19th century (trade unions" were responsible for the success of Sweden in this time rather than the market based policies and individual freedoms espoused in the above article. Should some reference of these be made? Happy to be corrected if the linked article is disproved by better sources or for it to be added. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rakkhi ( talk • contribs) 11:50, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
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The band Ghost (or Subvision, Magna Carta Cartel, Repugnant or Tid) is not mentioned and should be I think...just a suggestion. 2602:306:364C:250:BCD4:D77B:7B94:511F ( talk) 05:27, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
I know today's Sweden is not a former Sweden.Although I don't know much about Sweden, however, there are friendly people and charming that I yearn for the local customs and practices. Has been to Sweden, in Sweden for a period of time has become a dream, I like sweden. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.82.36.109 ( talk) 10:30, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
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"The Swedish name Sverige (a compound of the words Svea and Rike ..." - Almost, 'rige' is the Danish word for 'rike'/'kingdom'. 85.229.49.144 ( talk) 15:35, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
The US has a separation between domestic "law enforcement" and the enforcement of US law elsewhere, particularly by the military in which the US Supreme Court lacks complete jurisdiction (I believe this civil/military difference derives from English law). Does Sweden have this civil/military law enforcement dictonomy? Can and does Sweden submit civilians to military justice? Can and does Sweden (always?) submit soldiers to civilian justice? Int21h ( talk) 05:13, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
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Being a middle aged Swede with a liking for traditional cooking, I have attended more than 70 crayfish parties. Some of them have taken place in restaurants, some in the homes of friends and relatives. Some have been in western Sweden and some in the east. Most of them have been in August, but some have been at other times of the year. I would say that I personally have experienced most varieties of crayfish party. Never -- not once! -- have I been served potatoes with the crayfish. The source of starch (starch is never omitted in a Swedish meal) at every crayfish party is bread. Always bread. No potatoes, no dumplings, no pasta, no couscous, no rice, but always bread. The article needs to be updated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:6B0:1:1041:C5AA:FF7B:1008:D5B8 ( talk) 10:53, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
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I don't know what happened here. Was this article written by Swedes or those who idolize Sweden? Where is all the balanced coverage here? Rates of divorce? Drug/alcohol problems? Leading causes of death? What Swedish television shows are watched, how do they compare to foreign programs? Seasonal depression? Patriotism and national pride? Perception of Sweden by foreigners (international perception)? Cultural uniformity? Bod ( talk) 08:26, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
The article states that the official name of the country is "Kingdom of Sweden". I'm not saying this is wrong, but I am curious about where this is stated? Who decides it and where does it say so? At present there is no source provided about this that I can see. I'm a Swedish speaker myself and I've checked Regeringsformen, which is part the part of the constitution I would expect to find something about it, but didn't find anything at all about the name of the country there. Does anyone know? Yakikaki ( talk) 20:45, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
I would argue that it's a matter of interpretation in comparison to USA outside of Alaska. Much of Alaska is colder generally but across the continental U.S. only a few places would more fit the definition. It says "For example, central and southern Sweden has much milder winters than many parts of Russia, Canada, and the northern United States." An alternative way could be "For example, central and southern Sweden has much milder winters than many parts of Russia, Canada, ToggGrogg ( talk) 20:21, 3 May 2016 (UTC) Alaska and some parts of northern continental U.S." [1] The source I'm citing is certainly a matter of interpretation because it depends where you draw the line on central Sweden and even then since it's on a much smaller scale.
Also importantly here's a map from SMHI(Sveriges metrologiska och hydrologiska institut) Sweden's meteorological and hydrological institute over the average temperature in January. Not counting "Low" either. http://www.smhi.se/polopoly_fs/1.3975.1398236974!/image/p35.png_gen/derivatives/Original_1004px/p35.png There's a problem because what do we define central Sweden as? The geographical mid point, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/SWE-Map_Mittpunkt.svg/255px-SWE-Map_Mittpunkt.svg.png or the historical? https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svealand#/media/File:Sverigekarta-Landsdelar_Svealand.svg If we go by the geographical and by looking at the average temperature by SMHI I could certainly argue that large parts is incorrect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ToggGrogg ( talk • contribs) 21:59, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
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EDIT: Apparently the article is locked from editing. Somebody that are allowed to edit it should do it. The work referred to is in itself referred to from an article. It doesn't really say anything about who Zuckerman interviewed - age, sex, location - and he interviewed both Swedes and Danes. Older people would definitely say they are Christian to a more extent than younger or middle-aged. To say that Swedes are "Christian" in the sense they believe there is a god, one sole entity, is frankly not true. /2016-05-04
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There is a typo in the word "elected" in this section Administrative divisions (the section link doesn't seem to work so here is the exact section /info/en/?search=Sweden#Administrative_divisions )
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Swedish colonisation of coastal areas of Finland cannot proven to predate 12th&13th centuries. Sources:
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The latest census shows a total population of 9 875 378 people, yet the introduction summary says 9,8 million people. Should this not be rounded to 9,9 million people? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fraktion ( talk • contribs) 19:33, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
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Växjö, the 19th biggest city, is located in Småland, not Värmland. 130.241.30.116 ( talk) 13:23, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
according to United nation's report Sweden will be a third world country by 2030 under the Libya. here page 41. please add this to the article. --– Hossein Iran « talk » 01:20, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
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1. The table of membership in the Church of Sweden needs 2016's numbers added: Citizens: 9 995 153 Members: 6 116 480 Percentage of population: 61,2%
2. The reference to 2015's member percent in paragraph 4 needs to be changed to 2016's. "At the end of 2015, 63.2% of Swedes belonged to the Church of Sweden..." > "At the end of 2016, 61.2% of Swedes belonged to the Church of Sweden..."
I'd also recommend mentioning the record high drop of members in 2016: Almost twice the amount of members leaving in 2015 left in 2016. See: http://www.di.se/nyheter/rekordtapp-for-svenska-kyrkan/
3. The last paragraph's last sentence says: "This is evidenced by the fact that around 70% of adults continue to remain members of the Swedish Church[229] despite having to pay a church tax; moreover, rates of baptism remain high and church weddings are increasing.[228]"
I think the whole paragraph is nonsense. I suspect it was put on Wikipedia not as an objective fact but to make readers believe Swedes being reluctant to the words "atheist" or "atheism", and by that indirectly believers/Christians. Mr Phil Zuckerman did not interview more than 150 persons! And he interviewed both Swedes and Danes, so there's no statistical significance to his findings whatsoever. His study is qualitative research on at most 149 Swedes and is therefore not at all relevant here. ("Zuckerman formally interviewed nearly 150 Danes and Swedes of all ages and educational backgrounds over the course of fourteen months." https://www.amazon.com/Society-without-God-Religious-Contentment/dp/0814797237)
However the one who edits this sees what I've written above, the "around 70%" should be changed to "around 60%". (A drop in membership of 8.8% doesn't show anything in the veins of what the last paragraph wants to make us think is true though.)
For the statistics, see the Church of Sweden's own webpage: https://www.svenskakyrkan.se/statistik
/17-04-20 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.63.0.108 ( talk) 02:41, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
When I click on any of the links on this page, they go to an offensive website. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elizabeth Lee Goodman ( talk • contribs)
Wasn't of significance. Perhaps during the House of Folkunga (Folkungaätten), but that was a different country with it's base at Götaland. It's correct that etnicity of the Monach doesn't matter, but for instance Albreckt af Mecklenburg ruled in league with the Hanseatic League. He was put at the thrown for the Hanseatics. That's of importance. Further Sweden was a part of the Kalmar Union for some 120-125 years (or ruled by the Hanseatics), and this must be reflected as well. The Kalmar Union, invented by Queen Margaretha, was an attempt to make Scandinavia stronger, so it could resist the Hanseatic League. And this isn't about nationalism and patriotism. But facts. Gustav Vasa founded today's Sweden. The Empire was founded by Gustav II Adolf, during his continental struggle for the Reformation in the Thirty Year's War. Other expansions were at "Scandinavian level" only. This is essential history. And also an article on Sweden calls for a global perspective. (Not a perspective limited to how Mälardalen see things) Boeing720 ( talk) 13:16, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
A Swedish independent state emerged during the 12:th and 13:th Century.
After the
Black Death in the middle of the 14:th Century, which hit Scandinavia just as hard as in most other parts of Europe, killing about a third of the population
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By time did this Swedish-Danish-Norwegian union became unpopular in Sweden.
After a volatile and warring period which began in the middle of the 15:th Century
and ended in the early 1520's, did Sweden leave this union.
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Since you don't answer, must I presume this contribution is fine with you. Boeing720 ( talk) 20:28, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
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Official minority/regional languages are always mentioned in the box of country articles in English Wikipedia. This article doesn`t make an exemption. Velivieras ( talk) 20:04, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
Official minority languages were added by Velivieras ( talk · contribs) in the main part of the infobox, but then removed again by Sjö ( talk · contribs), without writing any explanation. Both those edits were bad, the second because there was no explanation whatsoever – all edits must have good explanations, and especially if you undo an edit that is clearly in good faith. I myself was about to remove the first change as well, but with an actual explanation. The explanation why the first change is not good is that the languages are already mentioned in note c. With the edit, there is a conflict between note c and the new text – you can't have both of them. So either we should keep note c with only Swedish mentioned under Languages, or we should change note c and move what is written in the note up in the Languages field. It doesn't make sense to do only one of them, as Velivieras did, and which was probably the reason for Sjö's revert. Please keep the original status of the article until a consensus has been reached here. -- Jhertel ( talk) 17:07, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
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the only thing i ask is to add the creator of the article Kider2005 ( talk) 14:55, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
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please change ((Finnish)) to ((Finnish language|Finnish)) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:541:4304:E6B0:218:8BFF:FE74:FE4F ( talk • contribs)
According to 2 international approved organisations, Sweden is on 15th place in GDP per capita. Press in the text on (17th) and then look at the lists. 2/3 says 15th. Recommend you to change Trustweep ( talk) 17:38, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
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Look, just dumping a bunch of trivia in an article, and asking others to do your work for you is bad enough, but some of the stuff is outright wrong. The whole 86% taxation nonsense, sourced to an op-ed and a think tank? Not what it says. Per WP:BRD, kindly self-revert and start discussing the sources and how they should be used if at all. It's pretty obvious that you're POV-pushing and think you're righting great wrongs, so I'll ignore your repeated cries of censorship. Ratatosk Jones ( talk) 17:16, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
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I might get topic-banned soon, so I would greatly appreciate if somebody could please determine which of the following references that are relevant, and then add them. Thank you.
According to the Swedish police department, there are 53 socially vulnerable areas in the country, of which the ones wherein they have lost control of crime and religious extremism recently increased from 15 to 23. [1] [2] [3]
According to the National Security Survey (NTU) for 2017, the amount of women in Sweden subjected to sexually related crimes in a year has tripled between 2012 and 2016. Only 11% of those surveyed stated that they have reported the crimes to the police. [4]
In the survey for 2016, 140000 depicted incidents could have been severe enough to be considered attempted or completed sexual coercion or rape, compared to 97000 in the previous year. [5]
Only 8% of all reported rapes in Sweden 2017 have been handled by the police. [6]
According to the Swedish police department, the use of hand-grenades in Sweden among criminals is the highest in the world for countries not currently at war. [7]
Twice as many have been killed by gun violence in Sweden 2017 compared to 2016. [8] and there has been an average of one criminal gang shooting every day. [9]
According to Dagens Nyheter, at least 90% of all murders and attempted murders through gun violence in Sweden are performed by either immigrants or those with at least one immigrant parent. [10]
According to Expressen, 94.5% of all members of career criminal gangs in Stockholm, Sweden, are either immigrants or have at least one immigrant parent. [11]
A report from the safety officer of the severe crime division of the Swedish police department described their situation as unsustainable, with officers that are near their breaking points from stress and pressure. [12]
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If it helps, this article interviews the criminologist Felipe Estrada about the NTU survey results: [54] David A ( talk) 18:40, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
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Sweden doesn't have 21 counties anymore. It only has 20 this year.
This line should be changed: chaired by the prime minister. Sweden is a unitary state, currently divided into 21 counties
Remove "21 counties" and change it for "20 counties"
This can be verified here: https://skl.se/tjanster/englishpages/municipalitiescountycouncilsandregions.1088.html They are The Swedish Association of Local Authorities and Regions (Governmental) George777Jackson ( talk) 20:22, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
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I added a dubous tag to the followng meaning in the lead:
This is a strong statement that lack references. I suspect the writer must have got this from a nationalist historiography similarly to what is teached at Swedish schools. I suggest that either this phrase get a really got source, or it is deleted or transformed into a more soft statement. Lappspira ( talk) 00:09, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
Olof Skötkonung was the first king of unified Sweden, ruling both the Swedes and Geats. His reign was 995–1022, so why does the info box give the date of "A unified Swedish kingdom established" as "the early 12th century"? Swedish Wikipedia also says ~1000. Retardednamingpolicy ( talk) 08:11, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
The emergence of the Sweden prison system occurred during 1810 to 1840 when the number of prisoners quadrupled. This caused overcrowding and violence as prisoners were packed into old fortresses, jails and workhouses. During this period, there was a lot of discussion with the goal of bringing about reforms in the system. One of the most prominent supporters of prison reform in Sweden was the Crown Prince Oscar, who wrote a highly received work about the new system that was translated into several languages. Eventually this led to the Parliament to grant money for the construction of the first Swedish penitentiaries, resulting in about 45 nearly identical regional institutions of the Philadelphia model. 5 of those prisons contained a large number of the cells that were intended for prisoners in solitary confinement. Sweden saw the Philadelphia system as the more profound and sincere system when it came to reforming criminals while also referring to its deterrent effects [1]. After being reorganized in 1998, Sweden’s prison system today is that unites the three branches of prison, probation service and remand prison. In this new organization of the prison and probation service, all personnel are believed to manage both help and control. This concept can be referred to as “caring power”, a term coined by Dutch researchers Annemieke van Drenth and Francisca de Haan. This essentially explains that it is exercised with kindness and in a spirit of doing what is best for the person in need of help. This combination of help and control is very prevalent in corrections services as punishment and discipline require control and the ideology in society asks for help for the disadvantaged. [2] . Strattonp96 ( talk) 14:22, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
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I have removed the claim that "Swedish elderly live under the by far greatest poverty in the Nordic countries, with 355000 below the poverty line"
since it's not what the sources say. What the sources say is that 328,000 pensioners have an income of less than 60% of the EU median income, and thus, according to the EU, risk poverty (an EU measure of "risk for
relative poverty" that at current rates of exchange is equivalent to USD ~16,000 per year for a single person, or about 35% higher than the poverty line in the US...), it does not say that they live in actual poverty... - Tom |
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A significant event in Swedish history, the Swedish famine of 1867–1869, does not have a link in this article. Under "Modern history", the image illustrating the famine in northern Sweden links to the Finnis famine in 1866-68, not to the Swedish famine of 1867–1869. The Great Famine of 1695–1697 also lacks a link further up the article, even though it is mentioned. -- 92.35.226.13 ( talk) 13:22, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
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In the part of the article where the military is discussed, the article is written in future tense, i. e. that conscription will start in 2018. Since it is now 2019, this has to be changed into past tense. Stora Kogha ( talk) 10:19, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
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Under "Religion", add statistics for 2017: Population: 10 120 242 Members: 6 008 356 Percentage: 59,4 Source: last page of https://www.svenskakyrkan.se/default.aspx?id=1739019
Hence, change the sentence "At the end of 2016, 61.2% of Swedes belonged to the Church of Sweden..." to "At the end of 2017, 59.4% of Swedes..."
/19-01-18 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.45.253.105 ( talk) 02:56, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
noi discussion of xenophobia and racism which is a big problem for foreigners in sweden.
@ Mechanical Keyboarder: Many countries have two versions of their name, one short and one long, e.g. Sweden and the Kingdom of Sweden. In the case of Sweden, the short name version is widely used, e.g. on the Swedish government's web site. As far as i understand, both name versions are official names. In order to distinguish the two versions from one another, the United Nations Group of Experts on Geographical Names (UNGEGN) calls the short version the short name and the longer version the formal name. Please see: http://unstats.un.org/unsd/geoinfo/geonames/ That's why I changed officially to formally on March 8, 2019. Besides, the Swedish foreign office (Utrikesdepartementet) also bases its nomenclature on UN usage and has published the Foreign namebook (Utrikes namnbok). In that, they also denote the Kingdom of Sweden to be the formal name. -- K1812 ( talk) 12:28, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
You might be interested in checking the versions predating april 2019. 102.98.25.45 ( talk) 21:34, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
Since 2003, the use of spaces as separators has been officially endorsed by SI/ISO 31-0 standard, as well as by the International Bureau of Weights and Measures and the International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry (IUPAC), the American Medical Association's widely followed AMA Manual of Style, and the Metrication Board, among others. So ... Can anyone sober (I'm not) fix this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.64.113.107 ( talk) 00:33, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
This is, in my opinion, unclear wording.
As per Statistics Sweden, 2.5 million have what would be termed a "full" foreign background, where either the child or both parents are born abroad, and an additional 0.77 million have a partial foreign background, where one parent is born in Sweden and another abroad. The definition of the unqualified term changed in 2003, from referring to a partial foreign background to a "full" foreign background.
An international reader can not be expected to be familiar with this nuance, and I can't seem to find any English-language sources on it. Thus, I would like to suggest that this wording be changed to something along the lines of note d, so as to not imply that the remainder (7.8 million) have no foreign background at all, which would be a misleading claim.
In case this is considered misleading, I would like to propose the following somewhat verbose but accurate description:
"Sweden has a total population of 10.3 million, of which 3.3 million (35%) have a full or partial foreign background, with those of a full foreign background (2.3 million, 25%), defined as being either born abroad or having two such parents, constituting the largest share of this group"
Another approach would be to keep the current wording, but add another reference to note d for further clarification.
Furthermore, note d should be updated. The statistics from December 2012 ("approximately 27% of the population had a full or partial foreign background") are no longer accurate, and more recent statistics are readily available.
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Please change the coat of arms of Sweden in the table - the one shown is not the coat of arms of Sweden, it is the coat of arms used by the princes, princesses and the government, and should be replaced by the "Great Coat of Arms", which is used by Their Majesties and the state of Sweden. ( /info/en/?search=Coat_of_arms_of_Sweden#/media/File:Great_coat_of_arms_of_Sweden.svg) Vidar.gustafsson ( talk) 14:29, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
The Swedish "Sverige" can also be pronounced as /svɛrjɛ/. [1] Should this be mentioned anywhere? Geolodus ( talk) 16:40, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
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Change "Kalmar fortress" to "Kalmar Castle".
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Could you please add /ˈswiːdn/ ? 85.193.247.94 ( talk) 02:20, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
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The figure of people in the Church of Sweden in the infobox to the right is wrong. It says 60.2% but it should be 57.3 according to the section Religion in the same page: /info/en/?search=Sweden#Religion 83.53.182.122 ( talk) 23:29, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
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The Vegetation section is strangely focused on the cultivation of spruce, with some mentioning other trees. Non-woody plants are not even mentioned. The distribution of tree species is largely flawed, see e.g. Hultens atlas (maps shown in denvirtuellafloran). Rowan occurs throughout Sweden, holly only occurred on one island off the west coast and is now extinct, etc. Bogs, covering over 10 % of the country, are not mentioned, neither is alpine vegetation, or seashores or lakes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.12.56.71 ( talk) 08:32, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
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Change loaned to borrowed. Terencerex ( talk) 23:14, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
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I see under the subject Vikings in the article of Sweden nothing about Frisia. in this article Frisian history underneath the subject 'kingdom of Frisia,' you can read that Vikings were also settled in Frisia in the 840s.
I would like to see an edit of the map and text.
(p.s. I am new here)
Thanks, FryskeKriger — Preceding unsigned comment added by FryskeKriger ( talk • contribs) 13:35, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
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I think there's a typo in the second last paragraph in Politics -> Administrative divisions -> each county administrative board(s) Danilosf ( talk) 00:25, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
We need something about Ikea STAT. — Preceding unsigned comment added by User 5643 ( talk • contribs) 04:10, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
Sweden participates in war in Afghanistan and occupation of this country - how does it agree with neutral status? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.165.173.131 ( talk) 13:56, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
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I request that following this sentence 'Every fourth (24.9%) resident in the country has immigrant background and every third (32.3%) has at least one parent born abroad.' in the 'Demographics' section, this be added: "Half (49.5%) of people born abroad were born in a Western country, defined as Europe, the Americas and Australia." Source: http://www.statistikdatabasen.scb.se/pxweb/sv/ssd/START__BE__BE0101__BE0101E/FodelselandArK/ (tool)
I also request that: 'There are no official statistics on ethnicity, but according to Statistics Sweden, around 3,311,312 (32.3%) inhabitants of Sweden were of a foreign background in 2018, defined as being born abroad or born in Sweden with at least one parent born abroad.' be changed to "There are no official statistics on ethnicity, but according to Statistics Sweden, around 2,634,967 (25.5%) inhabitants were of a foreign background in 2018, defined as being born abroad or born in Sweden with parents born abroad." since the definition for foreign background in the article is arbitrary and not the same as the Swedish Bureau of Statistics, SCB. People with one parent born in Sweden and another abroad are incorrectly counted as having a foreign background in the article. Source: (Swedish) https://www.statistikdatabasen.scb.se/pxweb/sv/ssd/START__BE__BE0101__BE0101Q/UtlSvBakgGrov/table/tableViewLayout1/)
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21:18, 20 January 2021 (UTC)I have made a new version of the map of the Swedish Empire from 1560 to 1815, and I was wondering if I would be allowed to replace the old one with the new one. The new one follows a more modern look and presents the information in a more simple fashion. I used the old map to produce the new one and as far as I'm aware the new one still preserves all the important information of the old one e.g. when territories were gained or lost.
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There seem to be drastically different claims for what percentage of the population follows Islam in Sweden from page to page and even from section to section of some pages. For example, in the infobox on this page it states the percentage following Islam in Sweden in 2017 to be 5.0%, whereas on the page Religion in Sweden it states the figure to be 8.1% for the same year. The page Islam in Sweden also states the figure for 2017 as 8.1%. In the Religion section of this page the percentage of those following Islam for the next year (2018) is stated to be 1.9%. It seems highly unlikely the population of those following Islam fell by around 6% in one year. I understand these statistics were recorded by different organisations but there still seems to be very large differences over very short periods of time. I think we should either seek more up to date statistics or at least make the figure more consistent across articles and articles sections, or just further explain/detail why such different figures may have been recorded. To summarise the articles and sections I'm referring to that need to be more consistent and/or detailed: the infobox of this page and the Religion section of this page, the pages Religion in Sweden and Islam in Sweden. Helper201 ( talk) 18:18, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
Was asked to bring this up on the talk page. Just going to mention that the actual numbers are not in dispute, the dispute would be whether they are worth including in the infobox. I added statistics on how many of the people of "foreign background" were foreign-born and the five countries from where most of them came. I feel it's important because with 25 % of foreign background, certain people will immediately jump to the far-right "Islam is overrunning Sweden" narrative, when two of the largest groups of immigrants are Finns and Poles.
Also, as some of you may be aware, ethnicity is a contested subject in Sweden. Are there reliable/official sources that use the term "Swedish background" and "foreign background"? "Swedish background" needs to be defined - it clearly disregards children of immigrants, despite them also being born in Sweden. Though they are relatively few in number, I also feel like it is an oversight to not include statistics on the actual officially recognized minority groups in Sweden; Jews, Romani people, Sweden Finns, Sámi people, and Tornedalians. Ichthyovenator ( talk) 17:13, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
Sweden was directly involved in World War II. Without the Swedish iron ore Germany's war effort would have collapsed in 1940. ( 86.132.155.226 ( talk) 13:10, 28 February 2021 (UTC))
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In the middle of the 17th century, Sweden was the third-largest country in Europe by land area, surpassed by only Russia and Spain. Sweden reached its largest territorial extent under the rule of Charles X after the treaty of Roskilde in 1658, following Charles X's risky but successful crossing of the Danish Belts.[64][65] The foundation of Sweden's success during this period is credited to Gustav I's major changes to the Swedish economy in the 16th century and his introduction of Protestantism.[66] In the 17th century, Sweden was engaged in many wars, for example with the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth, with both sides competing for territories of today's Baltic states, with the disastrous Battle of Kircholm being one of the highlights.[67] One-third of the Finnish population died in the devastating Great Famine of 1695–1697 that struck the country.[68] Famine also hit Sweden, killing roughly 10% of Sweden's population.[69]
The date of the Battle of Kircholm should be added as the article makes it look like it was near the end of the 17th century qith the famine, while in reality, it was in 1605 Carolean Penguin ( talk) 15:11, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
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I think under the head "Administrative divisions" it should read in the penultimate paragraph: "Each county administrative board (not: boards) is led ..." perhaps somebody who is entitled to edit would like to correct it? Dan Elin ( talk) 01:57, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
Magdalena Andersson officialy replaced Stefan Löfven as the swedish PM on the 24th of November. 88.89.238.243 ( talk) 14:47, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
Andersson doesn't officially take office as Prime Minister until November 26. [1] -- TylerBurden ( talk) 15:27, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
The speaker appoints the prime minister. It may not make sense to everyone but it is how it works in Sweden
https://www.riksdagen.se/sv/sa-funkar-riksdagen/talmannen/talmannens-uppdrag/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lirae22 ( talk • contribs) 16:12, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
Why is there a section regarding crime filed under Demographics? This does not appear to be standard procedure for country pages. Seems it should be moved to the Politics chapter, and possibly merged with the section on Judicial system. 193.150.216.5 ( talk) 23:38, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
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New Prime Minister of Sweden Updated 170.235.215.89 ( talk) 17:51, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
At the end of the paragraph "Language" is written:
This is wrong. There are three continental North Germanic languages – Swedish, Norwegian, Danish. These are the Scandinavian languages. Icelandic and Faroese are the insular North Germanic languages. The article "North Germanic languages" is full of this term "Continental Scandinavian". It might be used a lot elsewhere but it's nonsense, as Scandinavia isn't islands in the ocean but a part of continental Europe. Calling Faroese and Icelandic anything+Scandinavian is nonsensical too, as the Scandinavian languages are quite distantly related to old Scandinavian and Faroese+Icelandic. It'd make more sense to call Swedish, Norwegian and Danish "Continental Insular-North Germanic" as S-N-D are descendants of dialects/languages which resemble modern Faroese and Icelandic.
So ... please stick to scientific sense (people are fallible) and write it out as it is: Continental North Germanic; Insular North Germanic (or if you must: Continental Nordic and Insular Nordic. Faroese and Icelanders don't see them selves as Scandinavians (and they really aren't, albeit their cultures obviously are related). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.175.5.176 ( talk) 11:29, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
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However gun violence in Sweden (Swedish: skjutningar or gängskjutningar) has increased steeply among males aged 15 to 29 in the two decades prior to 2018, in addition to a rising trend in gun violence there was also a high rate of gun violence in Sweden compared to other countries in Western Europe. [2]
By 2021, gun violence by crime gangs had increased tenfold since the early 1990s. [3]
According to a report published by academic researchers in 2017, shooting incidents with fatal outcomes are about 4 to 5 times as common in Sweden compared to neighbouring countries such as Germany and Norway when taking population size into account. The city with the highest prevalence of shootings was Malmö. [4] Based on 33 per cent of the population (2017), 58 per cent of those suspect for total crime on reasonable grounds are migrants. Regarding murder, manslaughter and attempted murder, the figures are 73 per cent, while the proportion of robbery is 70 per cent. Non-registered migrants are linked to about 13 per cent of total crime. Given the fact that this group is small, crime propensity among non-registered migrants is significant. [5] Policynerd3212 ( talk) 18:55, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
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I believe they supplied mostly iron ore, not refined steel to Nazi Germany ... this should be corrected. And also referenced. 50.111.1.101 ( talk) 04:35, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
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In the crime section it states: "Violence (both lethal and non-lethal) has been on a downward trend the last 25 years."
It cites the following source: https://www.government.se/articles/2017/02/facts-about-migration-and-crime-in-sweden/
However this source does not(!) mention anything regarding a downward trend in violence. In fact it states the opposite in regards to, for example, gun crime. Furthermore statistics from Brå's (The Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention) shows the exact opposite trend. Lethal violence has doubled since 2012: https://bra.se/bra-in-english/home/crime-and-statistics/murder-and-manslaughter.html
I propose the following changes: Violence ( both lethal violence and non-lethal) has increased since 2012. Lethal violence has nearly doubled. In 2020, 124 cases of lethal violence were confirmed in Sweden compared to 68 cases in 2012.
Sources: https://bra.se/bra-in-english/home/crime-and-statistics/murder-and-manslaughter.html https://bra.se/bra-in-english/home/crime-and-statistics/violence-and-assault.html https://d-nb.info/1161810137/34 https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Lethal-and-non-lethal-gun-victimization-rates-per-100-000-inhabitants-in-Sweden-1996-to_fig2_324992753 Policynerd3212 ( talk) 11:43, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
(Response not only to the request above but also to other edits by Policynerd3212): I don't oppose the removal of "Violence (both lethal and non-lethal) has been on a downward trend the last 25 years" (and have not added it back), not do I necessarily oppose the inclusion of more up-to-date statistics on crime or the percentage of the Swedish population that is muslim. I do however feel that this is a bit of a strange combination and I believe contested, controversial and politically charged issues such as this needs nuance and objectivity. I oppose adding that 8.1 % of the population is "documented" to be muslim when this is just one of the possible estimates (adding it as an estimate is fine, but it would also be good if it was accompanied with other estimates and that there are no official statistics, and perhaps if the media reaction to the study was mentioned). I also feel that these edits are politically motivated, not only given the removal of Adamson's ideological framework but also given the information in the edit request above and the content of the edits. This page was cited for an overall increase in crime, which is correct, but no mention was made of it also showing an ongoing decrease since 2018/2019. That hate crimes rooted in racism and other causes are also up was also never suggested to be added or edited in. This is a complex area and just adding in the statistics that support a certain narrative, without any comment, is IMO not the way to go. Ichthyovenator ( talk) 02:42, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
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--> "You just dropped some crime statistics in there without any commentary on them." I presented the statistics neutrally and clearly. You have not added anything of substance which changes the substance of the section since my edit.
--> "the issue is in how you used [the statistics] them (what information you used, what information you didn't use etc), this should be obvious from everything else I said. You claimed that there's been a constant increase, while we're currently seeing a decrease." This is inaccurate. Over the last 10 years we have seen a significant increase in crime in Sweden and the trend has been going up. Your argument is like saying that climate change isn't real, because on a year by year basis the temperature sometimes has gone down compared to the previous year. But you have to look at larger period of time to call it a 'trend'. Otherwise it is just an outlier. Ask any scientist.
--> "not a single data point" Yes, it is a single yearly datapoint. Compared to the overall data/picture looking at the last 10 years. Picking one year out is cherry-picking data.
--> "I find it suspicious that your focus is on only adding statistics on crime and the muslim population." You are the only one connecting the muslim demographic and crime. As BA.scient.pol myself I am interested in data. Therefore I have updated significantly out-dated data on the Swedish page. These are separate edits. Come from reliable sources and have nothing to do with each other.
--> With regards to the Göransson and Sarnecki edit, You are implying a bias for one and at the same omit Sarnecki, who is himself a controversial expert in the field. This is problematic. To me this seems like you are trying to give weight to one expert and discredit the other instead of presenting them both neutrally. Policynerd3212 ( talk) 20:28, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
"I'm pointing out that you've aggressively added tenditious statistics in regard to both - that is a concerning pattern and I think you understand why."
--> I have not 'aggressively' added anything 'tenditious'. I have presented the data as is. There has been a decline in sexual crimes since 2017, but over the last 10 year we have certainly seen quite an increase in crime in general. Which I wrote in the original edit. The edit was meant to made update the section as it previously stated: "Violence (both lethal and non-lethal) has been on a downward trend the last 25 years." When the exact opposite was true.
--> I further find it weird that you object to demographic insight from Pewresearch. But yes we certainly need an outside party to weigh in. Policynerd3212 ( talk) 22:12, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
--> 1. I am relatively content with the crime section as it stands now. I think Ichthyovenator in general added useful details, so I have no substantial objections. Although I would add that the decrease in 2020 probably is most likely due to corona-restrictions. Source: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33072489/ and https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-021-01139-z. I
--> 2. I would also remove the ideological position of Adam Göransson. If we are adding idiological/political positions of experts such as Adam Göransson, we should also add it for all other social scientists. Jerzy Sarnecki for example has been criticized, by among else, experts and journalists from SVT, the national Swedish broadcasting company and others, for stating opinions on crime which are not based on data. But there is no information on this on the page. To me this seems like you are trying to give weight to one expert and discredit the other instead of presenting them both neutrally. But Ichthyovenator seems to be fine with adding this, so maybe there is no dispute here?
--> 3. I do not understand why the added information on religion is all that controversial if these are the facts from a reliable sources. Certainly the muslim population isn't under 2% as the section stated previously. Ichthyovenator seems to think, that I am trying to link crime and religion together (and thus that this datapoint is implicitly racist/xenophobic), and that this why he objects to this information being updated. But neither the crime section nor the religion section link religion to crime. These are separate sections on different subjects. Policynerd3212 ( talk) 09:17, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
1. I do not believe in rewriting a whole section which multiple different people have contributed to. As I said I am content with the crime section as it stands now including your previous edits, but I would simply add that the decrease in 2020 is most likely due to corona-restrictions. And I would remove the political stance of the respective experts.
2. If you have other reliable sources which disputes the figure, you can add it. But 8,1% is probably a low estimate anyway given the continued influx of immigration from muslim majority countries (due to familiy-re-unification) since the estimate was made. Policynerd3212 ( talk) 10:33, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
@ Ichthyovenator and Policynerd3212: I am reading your responses and the sources. I can see this is going to be difficult, so I hope you will both be able compromise a little. Pious Brother ( talk) 04:26, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
Sources: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/imig.12520 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/S00148-017-0636-1 Policynerd3212 ( talk) 20:03, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
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The date is dd/mm/yy and not yy/mm/dd Jwiw8 ( talk) 18:09, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- "% muslim population needs to be seriously updated -- last source citation was from 2018; it needs to be reflected in the demographics section -- pie chart (often the only thing people look at) as it is well over 1.2% cited" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.69.148.34 ( talk) 16:56, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
I don't believe this article needs the TOOLONG tag. It's sizeable, but to be expected for a country that has been around for a couple thousand years. It's well sectioned off and not superfluous. Lindsey40186 ( talk) 23:50, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
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The "GDP (PPP) Total" and "GDP (nominal) Total" numbers in the right hand side panel should have decimal dots in them, not commas. 176.10.136.227 ( talk) 16:26, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
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Minor edit: update to modern terminology
In the section "Government and politics", subsection "Constitutional framework", there is a reference to Swedish regional self-administration. In the text the outdated terms "regional COUNTY council" and "landsting" are used. The Swedish County Councils (sv: landsting) were formally renamed "regions" (sv. regioner) a few years back. I suggest updating the text to follow new terminology as follows, or similar:
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local authorities:[e] the latter include Regional Councils (Swedish: regioner)
The Wikipedia main article "Regions of Sweden" seems to have it all right, and also refers to official sources that are likely sufficient to support my claim.
Thanks for doing a good job, and best regards! LJLiman ( talk) 06:53, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
There seems to be a editor here who strongly thinks that ethnicity in Sweden does not exist, or thinks that Swedish-background =/= Swedish. This is weird. Looking at other articles of Western Countries (Denmark, Finland, Norway, Netherlands, Austria, Switzerland, Belgium, France, Luxembourg, Iceland, Spain, Portugal), they have the ethnicity statistics and percentages based on immigrants/country of origin/background/nationality, as they do not keep statistics on ethnicity.
Country of origin/background country is linked with ethnicity. Even a report by the Swedish police which examines ethnicity in Sweden uses the countries of origin as data (see https://www.regeringen.se/49bb9b/contentassets/7d4b40eebdc34df5929113cf2b0879a5/del-2-katastrofbranden-i-goteborg-drabbade---medier---myndigheter). So, is that wrong? If so, then all those other articles should be changed to delete any mention of ethnicity as they are based on similar statistics that Sweden has that apparently are not suitable for the ”ethnicity section”. That would mean changing a dozen articles. If not change those, then why are the statistics not suitable for Sweden but are for other countries? Where is the consistency?
I don’t want a edit war so I’m not going to edit it for now. All I want is discussion. Just saying ”don’t edit it anymore” isn’t enough. Finlandestonia ( talk) 11:57, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
Would changing it to describe nationality be better? Like in the France article? (Also the report was from the Swedish government not the police) Finlandestonia ( talk) 12:07, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
Well the official Statistcial Central Bureau has statistics on country of origin which I did in fact reference. Is that a good enough source to put under ”nationality”? Finlandestonia ( talk) 12:23, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
Also don’t agree that I cherrypicked the countries. While not all Western European countries have that statistic (like Germany), most do (the exception being Italy, UK and Ireland, the latter two having their own ethnicity statistics. All other Western European countries use the country of origin statistics as base for ethnicity (but I agree nationality sounds better fit) Finlandestonia ( talk) 12:25, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
I would like to add that we have previously had a discussion on this topic where TylerBurden insisted on not updating a 5 year old section and keeping a lot of incorrect information as well as deleting relevant updates. I think Finlandestonia and/or others should update the section as it desperately needs a new rewrite given the 1 + million immigrants which have come to Sweden over the last decade (with a population of just 10 million). Furthermore nationality of the immigrants/refugees is very relevant to an immigration section which is why most country pages has added these. Policynerd3212 ( talk) 21:33, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
In the first sentence this “lots of lakes” bit has such an imprecise and casual tone, can it be changed to “an abundance of lakes” or something of the sort at the very least? 2601:283:4400:5A:E500:C180:DF42:3D3C ( talk) 08:24, 21 October 2022 (UTC)