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Several different numbers for the total population have been given from the 2011 census. The number used so far in the article has been the resident population (10,815,197). The number now introduced (10,939,727) is the de facto population. The de facto population is the number of people actually present when the counting was done. It is the resident population number that gives the most correct picture of the population, as the press release from ELSTAT says: "It should be noted that the De Facto Population refers to a different concept from that of the Resident Population. On 28/12/2012 (Gov. Gazette No. 3465/Β/28-12-2012) ELSTAT announced the results regarding the Resident Population, as defined in the European Regulation 763/2008 in order to be used in population censuses in member states of the European Union." I will therefore revert the introduction of the de facto number back to the resident number. -- T*U ( talk) 07:14, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
In the intro we read the above. This is wrong of course. It's not the lowest in the EU. There are plenthy of countries with lower HDI rankings (e.g. Portugal, Malta, Cyprus, Slovakia, etc.). Please correct this inaccuracy. 62.1.101.1 ( talk) 09:03, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
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heyyo yo yo lol
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.205.39.225 ( talk • contribs) 15:12, 15 September 2013
User Thiagoreis leon replaced some nice photos that were around for quite some while with some disgusting ones, particularly that of Syros. Can someone please revert back to the stable version? Thanks. 178.128.248.160 ( talk) 16:58, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
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Not sure about the latest additions to the lead [1]. What is a "competitive string of republics and monarchies"? "...was ended by the Greek military junta of 1967–74, which saw a a republican constitution enacted by the junta adapted by plebiscite, following the restoration of democratic government" is horribly complicated and confusing to those who are not familiar with the events, as is "it has consistently been the only country with the term in its name to bear the rank." What does that even mean? I also don't think the 2012 elections should be mentioned in the lede per WP:RECENT. Thoughts? Athenean ( talk) 00:20, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
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It is rather hard to explain, but fairly simple to correct. The Title of the Section is:'Cities'. Somebody placed an 'Anti-Obamacare'-GIF Image there. Under any circumstances the placement is utter rubbish and should be replaced IMMEDIATELY.
Emdeelf ( talk) 08:57, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
Hello everyone. I've been browsing through the Ancient history articles recently and something struck me about the first line in the third paragraph in the lede.
I note that the Ancient Greece article largely focuses on matters after the Greek Dark Ages and seems to skip over the Mycenaean period. I was wondering if anyone editors more au fait with the subject material could let me know if this was this deliberate? Dolescum ( talk) 12:50, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
This is not controversial anymore, 4 indices ( MSCI, Standard and Poor's, Dow Jones, and The Economist) have classified it as such. I don't see anything wrong with this since the richest country in the world ( China) is an " emerging market".-- Theparties ( talk) 00:29, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
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I'll take up this review - I'll have a read through now and given on the size and complexity of the article I will leave some initial comments within 48 hours. I mainly focus on copyediting issues. Thanks! ☠ Jag uar ☠ 15:59, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
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I'm sorry to say that this article did not pass this GAN. The notable problems in this article were the lack of referencing in some places, the issues with the lead and some citation needed tags still need addressing. I have left all information on how to deal with those problems below. The only reason why this GAN did not pass is that I thought that all this work could not be addressed within seven days. Please read the comments below!
However, ALL IS NOT LOST! If you can address all of these issues below and either renominate this at GAN or ask me to review it again, then I'd say this article would have a high chance of passing. ☠ Jag uar ☠ 18:23, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
Greece was the 10th member to join the EEC (European Economic Community) as EU was called back then, in 1981. — Preceding unsigned comment added by EFGR ( talk • contribs) 22:05, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
This article is one of the most viewed and most popular on all of Wikipedia. The serious problems here are the referencing issues, tags that need to be addressed to and a few minor copyediting issues which I have mentioned above. All of this is considered too much work to do in seven days. However, all is not lost. If you can address all of these issues and find some references to link into a few times in some of the empty sections then this article does stand a chance. Once all of these issues have been fixed, you can renominate the article for GAN. You can ask me to review it again if you want it to be swiftly passed or you can get someone else to have another look! I'm so sorry that this didn't pass. However, I think it can be passed if all of these issues have been clarified and I wish it the very best of luck in doing that! ☠ Jag uar ☠ 18:27, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
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This page has been significaly changed over the years from people from the republic of fyrom altering the truth as it feats them to present minorities i wish to restore some maps to the way they where till 2009 and add some more discoveries . EleutheriosBenizelos ( talk) 00:06, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
Hellas as used by Homer seems to have indicated a region in the Greek mainland, possibly near Phthia or in Phthia. Currently a search for Hellas in English wikipedia leads to an article on modern Greece, without disambiguation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skamnelis ( talk • contribs) 15:16, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
Prior content in this article duplicated one or more previously published sources. The material was copied from: here and possibly here. Copied or closely paraphrased material has been rewritten or removed and must not be restored, unless it is duly released under a compatible license. (For more information, please see "using copyrighted works from others" if you are not the copyright holder of this material, or "donating copyrighted materials" if you are.) For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or published material; such additions will be deleted. Contributors may use copyrighted publications as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences or phrases. Accordingly, the material may be rewritten, but only if it does not infringe on the copyright of the original or plagiarize from that source. Please see our guideline on non-free text for how to properly implement limited quotations of copyrighted text. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. While we appreciate contributions, we must require all contributors to understand and comply with these policies. Thank you. Diannaa ( talk) 01:05, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
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there are extremely important mistakes in this page that need to be corrected in order to prevent racism and discrimination. The term Greece has to be changed to Hellas or Elada and the term Greek has to be changed to Hellenic. It is extremely inappropriate to say Greece and next to it in brackets to misinterpret this in the Hellenic Language and state that it is pronounced by the indigenous people as Elada. This is inaccurate and I would be more than happy to correct this whole text.
Iatros1 ( talk) 15:49, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
The demographics section is outdated. All the sources cited in the infobox and most in the article, have the 2001 census as its primary source of data. According to the 2011 census results Greeks are 91.6% of the total population, Albanians are 4.4%, Bulgarians are 0.7%, Romanians are 0.4% and so on. I suggest that the demography article sections get updated acccording to the most recent census. Hansi667 ( talk) 15:10, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
It appears that the 'ethnic groups' section should include the correspodent numbers. For example if a community belongs to ethnic group X, but at the same time are holders of citizenship Y, then in the section 'ethnic groups' they should be counted as X. Moreover, the fact that ethnicity data is based on the previous census (of 2001) doesn't mean that they should be removed from infobox. Alexikoua ( talk) 12:07, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
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In the beggining, you are saying "shares land borders with Albania to the northwest, the Republic of Macedonia and Bulgaria[...]" it is not Republic of Macedonia but F.Y.R.O.M. 84.205.231.43 ( talk) 07:20, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
Not done, please see WP:NCMAC. Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:00, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Greece's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "Harris":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 18:10, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
The "high standards of living" blurb in the Greek economy synopsis is straight out of the wikipedia article circa 2007. As if the economical crisis had no devastating results in the standard of living in Greece. Moreover, a bad faith editor presumed to delete a single passing reference to the country's 26% unemployment rate, supposedly because "the Greek crisis is discussed in another paragraph". What kind of logic is that? So the summary on the Greek economy will show outdated 2007 information about "high standards of living" and "developed country index" while the OECD has downgraded the country to "developing", and the standard of living has gone to the pits? Please keep your partisan "new democrat" political glasses out of editing. I will wait for some kind of justification for the 2007 summary on the Greek economy, and unless given one, will reedit the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.12.123.57 ( talk) 05:31, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
I don't feel like the following sentence is accurate for now because of the horror that is Golden Dawn:
...a high standard of living and a very high Human Development Index.
Was this addressed before or not? Did anyone ignore the chance to do so because they did not pay enough attention to the recent Greek protests? }I
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Somebody has been pushing hard [4] to get the date of the EU (or EEC) accession into the list of historical steps in the "Formation:" section of the infobox in this and other country articles. (As far as I can see, they have been the only editor to insert these entries in all those articles, silently, without any discussion anywhere; in some articles it has stuck so far, in others it was reverted. Here at Greece they stubbornly re-inserted it three times at least).
I'm not convinced the entry should be there. The section is headed "formation" for a reason; it means the steps that led towards the creation of the state as it is constituted today. The entry into the EEC in 1981 didn't turn Greece into a different state from what it was before.
Views? Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:54, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
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Several different numbers for the total population have been given from the 2011 census. The number used so far in the article has been the resident population (10,815,197). The number now introduced (10,939,727) is the de facto population. The de facto population is the number of people actually present when the counting was done. It is the resident population number that gives the most correct picture of the population, as the press release from ELSTAT says: "It should be noted that the De Facto Population refers to a different concept from that of the Resident Population. On 28/12/2012 (Gov. Gazette No. 3465/Β/28-12-2012) ELSTAT announced the results regarding the Resident Population, as defined in the European Regulation 763/2008 in order to be used in population censuses in member states of the European Union." I will therefore revert the introduction of the de facto number back to the resident number. -- T*U ( talk) 07:14, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
In the intro we read the above. This is wrong of course. It's not the lowest in the EU. There are plenthy of countries with lower HDI rankings (e.g. Portugal, Malta, Cyprus, Slovakia, etc.). Please correct this inaccuracy. 62.1.101.1 ( talk) 09:03, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
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heyyo yo yo lol
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.205.39.225 ( talk • contribs) 15:12, 15 September 2013
User Thiagoreis leon replaced some nice photos that were around for quite some while with some disgusting ones, particularly that of Syros. Can someone please revert back to the stable version? Thanks. 178.128.248.160 ( talk) 16:58, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
( talk) 00:16, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
Not sure about the latest additions to the lead [1]. What is a "competitive string of republics and monarchies"? "...was ended by the Greek military junta of 1967–74, which saw a a republican constitution enacted by the junta adapted by plebiscite, following the restoration of democratic government" is horribly complicated and confusing to those who are not familiar with the events, as is "it has consistently been the only country with the term in its name to bear the rank." What does that even mean? I also don't think the 2012 elections should be mentioned in the lede per WP:RECENT. Thoughts? Athenean ( talk) 00:20, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
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It is rather hard to explain, but fairly simple to correct. The Title of the Section is:'Cities'. Somebody placed an 'Anti-Obamacare'-GIF Image there. Under any circumstances the placement is utter rubbish and should be replaced IMMEDIATELY.
Emdeelf ( talk) 08:57, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
Hello everyone. I've been browsing through the Ancient history articles recently and something struck me about the first line in the third paragraph in the lede.
I note that the Ancient Greece article largely focuses on matters after the Greek Dark Ages and seems to skip over the Mycenaean period. I was wondering if anyone editors more au fait with the subject material could let me know if this was this deliberate? Dolescum ( talk) 12:50, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
This is not controversial anymore, 4 indices ( MSCI, Standard and Poor's, Dow Jones, and The Economist) have classified it as such. I don't see anything wrong with this since the richest country in the world ( China) is an " emerging market".-- Theparties ( talk) 00:29, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
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I'll take up this review - I'll have a read through now and given on the size and complexity of the article I will leave some initial comments within 48 hours. I mainly focus on copyediting issues. Thanks! ☠ Jag uar ☠ 15:59, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria
I'm sorry to say that this article did not pass this GAN. The notable problems in this article were the lack of referencing in some places, the issues with the lead and some citation needed tags still need addressing. I have left all information on how to deal with those problems below. The only reason why this GAN did not pass is that I thought that all this work could not be addressed within seven days. Please read the comments below!
However, ALL IS NOT LOST! If you can address all of these issues below and either renominate this at GAN or ask me to review it again, then I'd say this article would have a high chance of passing. ☠ Jag uar ☠ 18:23, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
Greece was the 10th member to join the EEC (European Economic Community) as EU was called back then, in 1981. — Preceding unsigned comment added by EFGR ( talk • contribs) 22:05, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
This article is one of the most viewed and most popular on all of Wikipedia. The serious problems here are the referencing issues, tags that need to be addressed to and a few minor copyediting issues which I have mentioned above. All of this is considered too much work to do in seven days. However, all is not lost. If you can address all of these issues and find some references to link into a few times in some of the empty sections then this article does stand a chance. Once all of these issues have been fixed, you can renominate the article for GAN. You can ask me to review it again if you want it to be swiftly passed or you can get someone else to have another look! I'm so sorry that this didn't pass. However, I think it can be passed if all of these issues have been clarified and I wish it the very best of luck in doing that! ☠ Jag uar ☠ 18:27, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
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This page has been significaly changed over the years from people from the republic of fyrom altering the truth as it feats them to present minorities i wish to restore some maps to the way they where till 2009 and add some more discoveries . EleutheriosBenizelos ( talk) 00:06, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
Hellas as used by Homer seems to have indicated a region in the Greek mainland, possibly near Phthia or in Phthia. Currently a search for Hellas in English wikipedia leads to an article on modern Greece, without disambiguation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skamnelis ( talk • contribs) 15:16, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
Prior content in this article duplicated one or more previously published sources. The material was copied from: here and possibly here. Copied or closely paraphrased material has been rewritten or removed and must not be restored, unless it is duly released under a compatible license. (For more information, please see "using copyrighted works from others" if you are not the copyright holder of this material, or "donating copyrighted materials" if you are.) For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or published material; such additions will be deleted. Contributors may use copyrighted publications as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences or phrases. Accordingly, the material may be rewritten, but only if it does not infringe on the copyright of the original or plagiarize from that source. Please see our guideline on non-free text for how to properly implement limited quotations of copyrighted text. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. While we appreciate contributions, we must require all contributors to understand and comply with these policies. Thank you. Diannaa ( talk) 01:05, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
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there are extremely important mistakes in this page that need to be corrected in order to prevent racism and discrimination. The term Greece has to be changed to Hellas or Elada and the term Greek has to be changed to Hellenic. It is extremely inappropriate to say Greece and next to it in brackets to misinterpret this in the Hellenic Language and state that it is pronounced by the indigenous people as Elada. This is inaccurate and I would be more than happy to correct this whole text.
Iatros1 ( talk) 15:49, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
The demographics section is outdated. All the sources cited in the infobox and most in the article, have the 2001 census as its primary source of data. According to the 2011 census results Greeks are 91.6% of the total population, Albanians are 4.4%, Bulgarians are 0.7%, Romanians are 0.4% and so on. I suggest that the demography article sections get updated acccording to the most recent census. Hansi667 ( talk) 15:10, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
It appears that the 'ethnic groups' section should include the correspodent numbers. For example if a community belongs to ethnic group X, but at the same time are holders of citizenship Y, then in the section 'ethnic groups' they should be counted as X. Moreover, the fact that ethnicity data is based on the previous census (of 2001) doesn't mean that they should be removed from infobox. Alexikoua ( talk) 12:07, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
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In the beggining, you are saying "shares land borders with Albania to the northwest, the Republic of Macedonia and Bulgaria[...]" it is not Republic of Macedonia but F.Y.R.O.M. 84.205.231.43 ( talk) 07:20, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
Not done, please see WP:NCMAC. Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:00, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Greece's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "Harris":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 18:10, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
The "high standards of living" blurb in the Greek economy synopsis is straight out of the wikipedia article circa 2007. As if the economical crisis had no devastating results in the standard of living in Greece. Moreover, a bad faith editor presumed to delete a single passing reference to the country's 26% unemployment rate, supposedly because "the Greek crisis is discussed in another paragraph". What kind of logic is that? So the summary on the Greek economy will show outdated 2007 information about "high standards of living" and "developed country index" while the OECD has downgraded the country to "developing", and the standard of living has gone to the pits? Please keep your partisan "new democrat" political glasses out of editing. I will wait for some kind of justification for the 2007 summary on the Greek economy, and unless given one, will reedit the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.12.123.57 ( talk) 05:31, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
I don't feel like the following sentence is accurate for now because of the horror that is Golden Dawn:
...a high standard of living and a very high Human Development Index.
Was this addressed before or not? Did anyone ignore the chance to do so because they did not pay enough attention to the recent Greek protests? }I
Mr*|
(60nna)I{ 20:54, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
Somebody has been pushing hard [4] to get the date of the EU (or EEC) accession into the list of historical steps in the "Formation:" section of the infobox in this and other country articles. (As far as I can see, they have been the only editor to insert these entries in all those articles, silently, without any discussion anywhere; in some articles it has stuck so far, in others it was reverted. Here at Greece they stubbornly re-inserted it three times at least).
I'm not convinced the entry should be there. The section is headed "formation" for a reason; it means the steps that led towards the creation of the state as it is constituted today. The entry into the EEC in 1981 didn't turn Greece into a different state from what it was before.
Views? Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:54, 20 July 2014 (UTC)