This is the
talk page for discussing improvements to the
Star Fox (1993 video game) article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject. |
Article policies
|
Find video game sources: "Star Fox" 1993 video game – news · newspapers · books · scholar · JSTOR · free images · free news sources · TWL · NYT · WP reference · VG/RS · VG/RL · WPVG/Talk |
![]() | This article is rated B-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||||||||
|
![]() | The following references may be useful when improving this article in the future:
|
In Super Play #04 February 1993 (British gaming magazine), there is this short article: Stop Press! Star Force - The first super FX game? Anybody wants to lay bets that this is the first cartridge chip to incorporate the new Super FX chip? (See pages 48-51). Set for release at the end of January in Japan and to be unveiled three weeks earlier at the Winter CES in Las Vegas, Star Force is a hi-tech 3D polygon shoot-'em-up where the player is in a team of four fighter planes attempting to overthrow the Andorf empire. It certainly sounds like the king of thing Argonaut (developers of the chip) specialise in. It seems the new chip has boosted the cart price to 9,800 Yen (approx £40). Expect it to cost a lot more on import from February though. More next month. -- Bergakungen91 ( talk) 15:33, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
As far as i know, the first 3D game by Nintendo was X for the Gameboy in 1992, made by Nintendo and Argonaut (the same duo of Star Fox) so... maybe this is wrong? -- Hayama Akito ( talk) 00:53, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Although I don't think there's much harm in mentioning sequels, I think we should remember there's an entire article on the information, found here: Star Fox series. K1Bond007 17:21, Feb 12, 2005 (UTC)
This picture used to be a part of the article when it was reletively short but may be worth readding when more content is added. I'm not sure where to put it or even if it is worth readding. -- TheDotGamer | Talk 20:44, Feb 14, 2005 (UTC)
I added a section about the gameplay of Star Fox compared to other scrolling shooters. I was going to also add in the game play section a blurb about your teammates, but I wasn't sure exactly what to write. Also, a story section would be nice in there. It's been a long time since I've played the game so I don't remember much of details of story other than you're fighting Andross in the Lylat System for some reason. I'll leave it to someone else to figure it out. Peace.
-- Shawn "If the Name Don't Rhyme It Ain't Mine" Conn 07:24, Feb 15, 2005 (UTC)
Does anyone know which paths, if any, are considered to be easier or harder than others? I remember playing Star Fox and getting destroyed if I chose one of the paths, I think. In any case, stating which path is the easiest and harders would be beneficial to readers. -- pie4all88 22:03, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Good start for the StarFox article!
The story about how StarFox came into being is really much more than what we can usually read though.
Since I'm working on a Level Editor for the original SNES StarFox, I've been doing a lot of research about the roots of StarFox.
I will try to officially contribute to the main article soon, but in the mean time, here is little snippet of StarFox history, in my own words.
Argonaut is a company based in England. Their most popular franchise in 1988 was StarGlider 2, one of the earliest 3d filled polygon game that ran on a variety of computers (PC, Mac, Amiga, Atari ST and others). Jez San, founder of the company when he was still a teen, programmed very fast polygon filling routines that enabled the game to display hundreds of polygons even on low-end computers.
Dylan Cuthbert, who joined Argonaut at 16 in 1988 started to work on 3d engine for the GameBoy around 1990. Miyamoto and Nintendo heard about it, and decided to give a contract to Argonaut so that they used the 3d technology in a GameBoy game in collaboration with them.
The resulting game is called "X", and was only released in Japan, it features mostly wireframe 3d graphics and the game is a little confusing at first, but if you look at the credits you'll see big names like Miyamoto and "Hip" Tanaka.
While working on "X", Argonaut convinced Nintendo that they could do 3d filled polygons on the SNES if only they could add a small chip. That would eventually become the FX chip. To realise all this, the whole Argonaut team was required to move to Kyoto Japan for a few years, to work on a 3d game with Miyamoto! Talk about a game programmer's dream come true :)
The first experiments Argonaut did with the FX chip on the SNES were based on StarGlider 2, with a free roaming 3d environment. Miyamoto felt that a forward shooter was a better avenue so that's where the original StarFox started to take the shape we now know.
There are some references to StarGlider 2 in StarFox like "Space Whales" that appear in both games. I would venture to say that StarGlider 2 is StarFox's direct ancestor. Argonaut did mainly the programming stuff, and the Japanese team the art stuff like music, 3d models, characters and scenario. But I'm sure Argonaut had some influence and added many ideas to the artistic part of the game.
There are many other things to document about the original StarFox, like all the tricks and cheats, more info about it's programmers and creators and what happened to them.
Why was that notice put in the article? What needs to be verified? Since it was left by a anonymous person, I think they just put it there for no reason. Thunderbrand 15:47, May 26, 2005 (UTC)
I'm tempted to remove the "Hidden message" section that was just added, because it seems very POV. Does anyone else think so? Thunderbrand 14:25, August 13, 2005 (UTC)
A long long time ago I read in a magazine about a StarFox for Gameboy, never heard anything of it again, it never got released. Does anybody have details about what happened with tha Gameboy version of StarFox and why it was canceled? -- Grumbel 18:48, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Gabber Foxx 17:19, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
A Star fox D.S. game would be brilliant, I'd love it, I might have to talk to Nintendo about that(if I can work out how). Kiml
Could someone give me a screenshot of the secret level with the paper airplanes? - DizzyForPigs
I was under the impression that Star Fox has no rating, as it came out before the ESRB was established. Or has it been re-rated? Thunderbrand 16:30, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
I see on IGN and Gamestats that the North American release date for Star Fox is listed as March 1, 1993. Two things need to be emphasized here: First, IGN and Gamestats use the same dataset for their game release dates, so the two of them constitute only a single data source; and second, this data source is HORRIFICALLY inaccurate for older games (it's noticeably better from the late 90s on, but there are still extensive errors). The date of March 1 for Star Fox is particularly untrustworthy since a large majority of early 1990s game release dates in IGN/Gamestats have "01" for day, and in many, many cases month as well. This is a clear indication that an "01" in their dataset is a placeholder for unknown data. The date of March 1, 1993 cannot possibly be relied upon unless another (*different*) source is obtained.
My estimation of March 29, which I believe to be accurate within +/- 1 day, unfortunately comes totally from my own personal memory of lining up for the game on release day. It's a reliable, clear memory, and I never forget a date, but it violates WP:NOR, so I'm not sure whether it'd be best to include my figure of March 29, or simply omit the release day and give the date as March, 1993. But the date of March 1 has to go! Suggestions? -- Ecksemmess 23:02, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
Should be a small mention that Silpheed was the competing game at that time when polygons first hit the scene between Nintendo and Sega. Thanks, CarpD 4/23/07
The name on the box and the title of the article is clearly "StarFox" (one word). However, throughout the article it is spelled "Star Fox" (two words). I was going to edit the article to use StarFox as one word consistently through the article, but wanted to reach consensus first. Thoughts? ++ Arx Fortis ( talk) 17:54, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
>It was the first three-dimensional Nintendo game
That's quite a vague statement. Faceball 2000, which is arguably 3D, predated StarFox. Was Starfox the first to use polygons, or what exactly was meant by the statement? 204.108.8.5 ( talk) 20:11, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
The image Image:SNES Star Fox.png is used in this article under a claim of fair use, but it does not have an adequate explanation for why it meets the requirements for such images when used here. In particular, for each page the image is used on, it must have an explanation linking to that page which explains why it needs to be used on that page. Please check
This is an automated notice by FairuseBot. For assistance on the image use policy, see Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. -- 23:38, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
I think this article should be renamed from "Star Fox (SNES)" to "Star Fox", as per the accepted naming convention. Examples of said convention include:
The only thing that makes the Star Fox situation different from these examples is the fact that another game simply entitled "Star Fox" exists. However, that other Star Fox game for the Atari 2600 is nowhere near as noteworthy as the SNES game, and, thus, this page's name shouldn't have to conform to account for the 2600 Star Fox. - Sesu Prime ( talk) 01:22, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
I've checked various websites and search engines, such as Google, Yahoo!, Destructoid and Kotaku, but I've found nothing on StarWing. Is there any proof that it's been confirmed for Japan? Otherwise it needs to be removed for advertising false information.
The result of the move request was page moved (non-admin closure). Tevildo ( talk) 23:04, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
Star Fox (1993 video game) → Star Fox (video game) — - When there are only two subjects with the same name, with one's notability dependent on the other [ie, people know it because of the more notable subject), then the more notable subject clearly warrants the main title. We have dabs to put at the top of pages for a reason. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 20:57, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
...needs to have some parts of it rewritten. Why on Earth is it comparing Star Fox with scrolling shooters when it isn't one? If no one fixes it or gives me a reason why it should stay the way it is in 4 days, I'll remove the offending paragraphs. - 190.139.251.90 ( talk) 18:16, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
Hello, i am not really sure but i think the other Melody in the Slot Machine Level comes from the german Folk Song "Hänschen Klein". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%A4nschen_klein
The melody in this Song comes from a even older German Folk Song who is not so famous.
Listen from 0:42 to 0:54 ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zo--WWUjbtU.
I think "Lightly Row" comes later.-- 91.1.208.30 ( talk) 18:05, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 4 external links on Star Fox (video game). Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 13:41, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified one external link on Star Fox (video game). Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 06:32, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion:
Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 01:39, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
This is the
talk page for discussing improvements to the
Star Fox (1993 video game) article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject. |
Article policies
|
Find video game sources: "Star Fox" 1993 video game – news · newspapers · books · scholar · JSTOR · free images · free news sources · TWL · NYT · WP reference · VG/RS · VG/RL · WPVG/Talk |
![]() | This article is rated B-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
![]() | The following references may be useful when improving this article in the future:
|
In Super Play #04 February 1993 (British gaming magazine), there is this short article: Stop Press! Star Force - The first super FX game? Anybody wants to lay bets that this is the first cartridge chip to incorporate the new Super FX chip? (See pages 48-51). Set for release at the end of January in Japan and to be unveiled three weeks earlier at the Winter CES in Las Vegas, Star Force is a hi-tech 3D polygon shoot-'em-up where the player is in a team of four fighter planes attempting to overthrow the Andorf empire. It certainly sounds like the king of thing Argonaut (developers of the chip) specialise in. It seems the new chip has boosted the cart price to 9,800 Yen (approx £40). Expect it to cost a lot more on import from February though. More next month. -- Bergakungen91 ( talk) 15:33, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
As far as i know, the first 3D game by Nintendo was X for the Gameboy in 1992, made by Nintendo and Argonaut (the same duo of Star Fox) so... maybe this is wrong? -- Hayama Akito ( talk) 00:53, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Although I don't think there's much harm in mentioning sequels, I think we should remember there's an entire article on the information, found here: Star Fox series. K1Bond007 17:21, Feb 12, 2005 (UTC)
This picture used to be a part of the article when it was reletively short but may be worth readding when more content is added. I'm not sure where to put it or even if it is worth readding. -- TheDotGamer | Talk 20:44, Feb 14, 2005 (UTC)
I added a section about the gameplay of Star Fox compared to other scrolling shooters. I was going to also add in the game play section a blurb about your teammates, but I wasn't sure exactly what to write. Also, a story section would be nice in there. It's been a long time since I've played the game so I don't remember much of details of story other than you're fighting Andross in the Lylat System for some reason. I'll leave it to someone else to figure it out. Peace.
-- Shawn "If the Name Don't Rhyme It Ain't Mine" Conn 07:24, Feb 15, 2005 (UTC)
Does anyone know which paths, if any, are considered to be easier or harder than others? I remember playing Star Fox and getting destroyed if I chose one of the paths, I think. In any case, stating which path is the easiest and harders would be beneficial to readers. -- pie4all88 22:03, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Good start for the StarFox article!
The story about how StarFox came into being is really much more than what we can usually read though.
Since I'm working on a Level Editor for the original SNES StarFox, I've been doing a lot of research about the roots of StarFox.
I will try to officially contribute to the main article soon, but in the mean time, here is little snippet of StarFox history, in my own words.
Argonaut is a company based in England. Their most popular franchise in 1988 was StarGlider 2, one of the earliest 3d filled polygon game that ran on a variety of computers (PC, Mac, Amiga, Atari ST and others). Jez San, founder of the company when he was still a teen, programmed very fast polygon filling routines that enabled the game to display hundreds of polygons even on low-end computers.
Dylan Cuthbert, who joined Argonaut at 16 in 1988 started to work on 3d engine for the GameBoy around 1990. Miyamoto and Nintendo heard about it, and decided to give a contract to Argonaut so that they used the 3d technology in a GameBoy game in collaboration with them.
The resulting game is called "X", and was only released in Japan, it features mostly wireframe 3d graphics and the game is a little confusing at first, but if you look at the credits you'll see big names like Miyamoto and "Hip" Tanaka.
While working on "X", Argonaut convinced Nintendo that they could do 3d filled polygons on the SNES if only they could add a small chip. That would eventually become the FX chip. To realise all this, the whole Argonaut team was required to move to Kyoto Japan for a few years, to work on a 3d game with Miyamoto! Talk about a game programmer's dream come true :)
The first experiments Argonaut did with the FX chip on the SNES were based on StarGlider 2, with a free roaming 3d environment. Miyamoto felt that a forward shooter was a better avenue so that's where the original StarFox started to take the shape we now know.
There are some references to StarGlider 2 in StarFox like "Space Whales" that appear in both games. I would venture to say that StarGlider 2 is StarFox's direct ancestor. Argonaut did mainly the programming stuff, and the Japanese team the art stuff like music, 3d models, characters and scenario. But I'm sure Argonaut had some influence and added many ideas to the artistic part of the game.
There are many other things to document about the original StarFox, like all the tricks and cheats, more info about it's programmers and creators and what happened to them.
Why was that notice put in the article? What needs to be verified? Since it was left by a anonymous person, I think they just put it there for no reason. Thunderbrand 15:47, May 26, 2005 (UTC)
I'm tempted to remove the "Hidden message" section that was just added, because it seems very POV. Does anyone else think so? Thunderbrand 14:25, August 13, 2005 (UTC)
A long long time ago I read in a magazine about a StarFox for Gameboy, never heard anything of it again, it never got released. Does anybody have details about what happened with tha Gameboy version of StarFox and why it was canceled? -- Grumbel 18:48, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Gabber Foxx 17:19, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
A Star fox D.S. game would be brilliant, I'd love it, I might have to talk to Nintendo about that(if I can work out how). Kiml
Could someone give me a screenshot of the secret level with the paper airplanes? - DizzyForPigs
I was under the impression that Star Fox has no rating, as it came out before the ESRB was established. Or has it been re-rated? Thunderbrand 16:30, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
I see on IGN and Gamestats that the North American release date for Star Fox is listed as March 1, 1993. Two things need to be emphasized here: First, IGN and Gamestats use the same dataset for their game release dates, so the two of them constitute only a single data source; and second, this data source is HORRIFICALLY inaccurate for older games (it's noticeably better from the late 90s on, but there are still extensive errors). The date of March 1 for Star Fox is particularly untrustworthy since a large majority of early 1990s game release dates in IGN/Gamestats have "01" for day, and in many, many cases month as well. This is a clear indication that an "01" in their dataset is a placeholder for unknown data. The date of March 1, 1993 cannot possibly be relied upon unless another (*different*) source is obtained.
My estimation of March 29, which I believe to be accurate within +/- 1 day, unfortunately comes totally from my own personal memory of lining up for the game on release day. It's a reliable, clear memory, and I never forget a date, but it violates WP:NOR, so I'm not sure whether it'd be best to include my figure of March 29, or simply omit the release day and give the date as March, 1993. But the date of March 1 has to go! Suggestions? -- Ecksemmess 23:02, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
Should be a small mention that Silpheed was the competing game at that time when polygons first hit the scene between Nintendo and Sega. Thanks, CarpD 4/23/07
The name on the box and the title of the article is clearly "StarFox" (one word). However, throughout the article it is spelled "Star Fox" (two words). I was going to edit the article to use StarFox as one word consistently through the article, but wanted to reach consensus first. Thoughts? ++ Arx Fortis ( talk) 17:54, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
>It was the first three-dimensional Nintendo game
That's quite a vague statement. Faceball 2000, which is arguably 3D, predated StarFox. Was Starfox the first to use polygons, or what exactly was meant by the statement? 204.108.8.5 ( talk) 20:11, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
The image Image:SNES Star Fox.png is used in this article under a claim of fair use, but it does not have an adequate explanation for why it meets the requirements for such images when used here. In particular, for each page the image is used on, it must have an explanation linking to that page which explains why it needs to be used on that page. Please check
This is an automated notice by FairuseBot. For assistance on the image use policy, see Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. -- 23:38, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
I think this article should be renamed from "Star Fox (SNES)" to "Star Fox", as per the accepted naming convention. Examples of said convention include:
The only thing that makes the Star Fox situation different from these examples is the fact that another game simply entitled "Star Fox" exists. However, that other Star Fox game for the Atari 2600 is nowhere near as noteworthy as the SNES game, and, thus, this page's name shouldn't have to conform to account for the 2600 Star Fox. - Sesu Prime ( talk) 01:22, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
I've checked various websites and search engines, such as Google, Yahoo!, Destructoid and Kotaku, but I've found nothing on StarWing. Is there any proof that it's been confirmed for Japan? Otherwise it needs to be removed for advertising false information.
The result of the move request was page moved (non-admin closure). Tevildo ( talk) 23:04, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
Star Fox (1993 video game) → Star Fox (video game) — - When there are only two subjects with the same name, with one's notability dependent on the other [ie, people know it because of the more notable subject), then the more notable subject clearly warrants the main title. We have dabs to put at the top of pages for a reason. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 20:57, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
...needs to have some parts of it rewritten. Why on Earth is it comparing Star Fox with scrolling shooters when it isn't one? If no one fixes it or gives me a reason why it should stay the way it is in 4 days, I'll remove the offending paragraphs. - 190.139.251.90 ( talk) 18:16, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
Hello, i am not really sure but i think the other Melody in the Slot Machine Level comes from the german Folk Song "Hänschen Klein". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%A4nschen_klein
The melody in this Song comes from a even older German Folk Song who is not so famous.
Listen from 0:42 to 0:54 ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zo--WWUjbtU.
I think "Lightly Row" comes later.-- 91.1.208.30 ( talk) 18:05, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 4 external links on Star Fox (video game). Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 13:41, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified one external link on Star Fox (video game). Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 06:32, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion:
Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 01:39, 26 December 2018 (UTC)