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Sonic Frontiers is scheduled for release on the Nintendo Switch, PlayStation 4, PlayStation 5, Windows, Xbox One, and Xbox Series X/S- no one is going to think the game is going to be hurled out of a building. Popcornfud ( talk) 14:41, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
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Regarding the statement "series composer Jun Senoue is contributing to the score.[13]" is not entirely true. It's confirmed that Tomoya Ohtani, the series veteran composer is set to be the game's lead composer.
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Southwestmetal has continued to attempt to replace the existing gameplay screenshot without explanation, despite repeated reversion. I believe that there is no reason to change the existing image. The open world gameplay is both the primary focus of the game and a new element to the Sonic franchise; similarly, the use of more elaborate combat sequences is something that has not been in past games. Having a gameplay screenshot that illustrates both of these new elements is far more helpful to readers than a screenshot of Sonic running through Cyberspace, which is both not the primary gameplay component and does not distinguish easily from the gameplay of the last 15 years' worth of 3D Sonic games. -- Cyberlink420 ( talk) 23:12, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
I'm aware this has been controversial in the past (for some reason), but when using terms such as a genre or the type media a project is, we should be putting the year as part of prose instead of in parenthesis behind it. It should mirror the same format that short descriptions use.
Basically, something like "The Sonic the Hedgehog (2020) feature film" seems forced, while "Development began after the release of Sonic Forces (2017)" is fine. ~ Dissident93 ( talk) 12:03, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
Has anyone gotten their hands on the new issue of Game Informer? I've seen multiple websites reporting on the Frontiers issue mentioning a fishing minigame with Big on Cyberspace, but since I'm not a subscriber and can't read it myself, I don't want to cite the issue unless it's for sure real. Could anyone with access to the issue please confirm? -- Cyberlink420 ( talk) 03:00, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
According to the latest Nintendo Direct Mini that came out on June 28, they revealed that Sonic Frontiers comes out Holiday 2022. So that’s why you need edit that release date section. Here’s the link if you want to make a reference: https://www.gameinformer.com/2022/07/01/nintendo-direct-mini-monster-hunter-rise-sunbreak-sonic-frontiers-all-things-nintendo?amp 70.41.154.159 ( talk) 18:58, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
Tomoya Ohtani has posted frequently on his twitter page that he is conposing for Frontiers and also confirmed in a livestream that he is the sound director. He has been the sound director for every mainline release since Sonic '06 and there has been nothing to suggest that Jun Senoue has taken over. For some reason though, his name is not listed as Composer and Jun Senoue this has instead been miscredited to Senoue.
This should either be ammended to include Ohtani or the composer section should remain blank until we get more official confirmation of Jun Senoue's involvement and what role he actually is playing in the composition. Senoue is most likely not actually doing any composition work but just providing guitar work similar to what he did for Sonic Forces.
https://www.gonintendo.com/contents/5467-sonic-frontiers-sound-director-talks-about-his-new-fresh-approach-to-the-game Skimbybimby ( talk) 21:00, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
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Change "give Sonic coemetics themed after Korone" to "give Sonic cosmetics themed after Korone" in the second paragraph of the 'Release' section. RayMairlot ( talk) 16:48, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
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KaioGabriel20 ( talk) 16:55, 10 November 2022 (UTC)'Sonic Frontiers received mixed to postive reviews; critics praised the open world and story, but found the gameplay repetitive. I saw that Fronteirs was good.
There seems to be some disagreement over whether or not to include mention of the user reception on Steam. Obviously citing Steam directly would be inappropriate, which is why I tried to find a suitable secondary source for it instead. However I can certainly get behind the opinion that maybe it is a little bit jumping the gun, and we should wait to see if the gulf in critical and player reception receives any more significant coverage (I can imagine it will, given time). Nonetheless, I'm perfectly fine with whichever position is the most accepted by everyone else. silvia ( inquire within) 15:48, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
Due to recent spikes in comments from Metacritic, a lot of which containing popularity bias due to an internet influencers comments on the game, I highly suggest that caution is used when using metacritic as a source for this article. Please scan the source for bias before using. PerryPerryD Talk To Me 03:57, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
My question here is simply, Should dunkey be mentioned in this article? Right now theres a source from Kotaku, however im concerned about the additions of Dunkey to the article, At least for now, Im wondering if dunkey should be mentioned, or if we should wait for the steam to calm down, or not include him at all. Im unsure about what should be done in this situation. PerryPerryD Talk To Me 16:37, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
While we have a short paragraph mentioning the player reception (which eclipses that of the critics'), I'm torn on whether it is necessary to include it in the lead as well. As I see it, this should depend on whether it is considered noteworthy enough and supported with enough reliable sources talking about it. Usually, any fan responses that are reported on and subsequently included in the lead of WP articles concern negative responses or a backlash (notable examples being The Last of Us Part II, Warcraft III: Reforged, and Mass Effect 3), which typically results in more coverage that we're not seeing with Sonic Frontiers; it's rare that there are examples of the reverse happening to a significant degree. Wikibenboy94 ( talk) 13:50, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
Hi,
Due to the recent reviews sorrounding the game, should we change it to polarising or put it as one of the most polarising games despite only releasing a few days? Because there's a lot of chaos between critics, fans, youtubers and the general public. 120.20.136.223 ( talk) 05:18, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
Fair enough, and also there are many reviewers praising the presentation, specifically the visuals, music and voice acting, in the latter there are many liking Sonia's more mature voice despite being odd at first. I can't add it as it's semi protected but can we add it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.68.205.9 ( talk) 10:44, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
Why are user reviews currently being cited for the reception section when (as far as I'm aware of) this is borderline never done for any other media article on Wikipedia? 102.182.230.106 ( talk) 09:22, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
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Hello, the Egg memo i'm talking about is number 11, it explains the Ancients are relatives to chaos, and that their DNA corroded and they became a new species, also their technology exists on Angel island as seen in Divergence. While it is not directly confirmed that they are Chao, it is heavily implied since they are the only inhabitants of Angel island alongside Knuckles, and chaos was the first guardian of the Master Emerald and became angry when the Echidnas invaded and particularly harmed the Chao. So, all of this worth mentioning doesn't it? Haji kiluu ( talk) 20:14, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
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Hello! This is my first review, so I encourage others to correct me, but my review should be here somewhat soon.
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The player can double jump, sidestep using their gamepad's shoulder buttons, drop dash, and boost with the right trigger if they have enough energy– You could probably remove the details on how these actions are performed and stick to that they can be performed— WP:GAMECRUFT #3 kind of covers this.
Sonic also has the ability to boost even faster upon collecting the maximum amount of rings, gaining a blue aura reminiscent of his counterpart from the Sonic the Hedgehog film series.– This is sourced to the game's Wiki Guide on IGN, which is unreliable per WP:UGC.
The world retains traditional Sonic elements, such as springs, boost pads, and grind rails, akin to past hub worlds in the series like Sonic Adventure and Sonic Unleashed but on a greater scale.– Is the comparison to Adventure and Unleashed needed here? As someone who hasn't played either game, it doesn't assist in my understanding of Frontiers' gameplay.
... and Memory Tokens, which are used to trigger cutscenes conversations with Sonic's friends — that either progress the plot (occasionally via minigames) or expand on their characters and relationships with Sonic in side stories.– This sentence doesn't really make sense until details on the plot are given—perhaps this information can be incorporated in that section.
The main quest takes 20–30 hours to finish, while finding all collectibles, exploring all parts of the islands, and completing all side stories takes as much as 60 hours– I don't think this information needs to be included.
"Cyber Space" — short, linear levels similar to those from previous Sonic games.(in § Gameplay) and
Cyber Space, a digital realm connected to the islands(in § Characters) — These explain the same thing with a different definition. Having played the game, I know that one is explaining it from a gameplay perspective and another from a story perspective, but perhaps that could be made more clear, and the explanations themselves could be combined.
A fishing minigame is also included ...– The word "minigame" is included above in "
occasionally via minigames", it should instead be linked on its first occurrence there.
Collecting all seven Chaos Emeralds allows the player to transform into Super Sonic, who is required to defeat the game's major bosses, the Titans.– Similar to the explanation of the Memory Tokens, this makes no sense until the plot section is read, which is lower in the article.
Although the game's difficulty can be changed at any time, the final boss, which is fought as Super Sonic and Sage (possessing the Supreme Titan) in a top-down shoot 'em up gameplay style similar to Ikaruga, requires the player to be playing on Hard to fight it and all of its phases– Is the fact that the player must be on hard difficulty to unlock the boss needed to explain the article? It may be WP:GAMEGUIDE material. Additionally, who is Sage? She's once again explained in the lower Characters section.
That's it for Gameplay, I'll continue with the rest of the sections shortly. DecafPotato ( talk) 23:16, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
Players control Sonic in exploring the Starfall Islands archipelago to collect the Chaos Emeralds and investigate the islands' relationship to them.– Most of this is duplicate information from the opening sentence of § Gameplay—all of this information could be incorporated there instead.
One of Sonic's objectives is to rescue three of his friends — Miles "Tails" Prower and Amy Rose, who initially accompany Sonic in his investigation; and Knuckles the Echidna, who was transported there earlier from the ruins above Angel Island — from Cyber Space, a digital realm connected to the islands. Sonic's friends project themselves as holograms in the real world while trapped, allowing them to interact with and advise Sonic.– This feels like information that should be given in § Plot or § Gameplay (along with the Memory Tokens), as it is heavily tied to that.
Big the Cat makes an appearance as a host for a fishing minigame.– Put this in § Gameplay where the fishing minigame is introduced.
Upon reaching and interacting with a portal to Cyber Space, several robotic defense units are summoned. Sage, detecting a threat signature from the defense units, ceases hijacking the portal and initiates a protection protocol, dragging Eggman into Cyber Space.– I feel as though this could be shortened a bit. Maybe "Upon reaching and interacting with a portal to Cyber Space, Sage detects a threat signature from summoned defense units, initiating a protection protocall and dragging Eggman into Cyber Space" could work? I didn't put a lot of thought into that, though. I'm sure you can think of something better.
A disembodied voice comments on Sonic's "impossible" escape, and tasks him with finding the Chaos Emeralds and destroying the island's robotic "Titans" to remove the boundary between the real and digital worlds.– Why are "Titans" in quotations here? They're already explained in § Gameplay.
... which resumes its attack on Earth using the last Titan, Supreme, prompting Sonic's friends to purge the corruption from him by sacrificing their physical forms.– The "him" in "purge the corruption from him" sounds like it may be referring to Supreme. Sonic isn't really the subject of the phrase "Sonic's friends"—his friends are, making Supreme the most recent subject of a sentence.
Sonic's friends are restored and leave the islands with him, now wishing to make a difference in their lives after their experiences.– Is the fact that they wish to make a difference in their lives worth including here?
TL;DR: Cut § Characters, shorten § Plot. Otherwise, looks good, and more sections will be reviewed soon. :) DecafPotato ( talk) 09:23, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
Iizuka felt the series needed to take an innovative direction that would inform future games, similar to how Sonic the Hedgehog (1991) and Sonic Adventure (1998) set templates used by later games– Should this not be included earlier when it states that Sonic Team aimed to find a consistent format for the next decade of Sonic?
As such, he declined to call it an open-world game, preferring the term "open zone".– Verifiability, not truth, sure, and I also just may be wrong, but isn't it "open-zone" because it's split into five zones rather than one cohesive world?
Sonic Team sought to address criticism that previous Sonic games were too short– This information is already included in § Conception.
With the Cyber Space levels, Kishimoto wanted Sonic to "once again... stand amongst the other 'stage-clear' action games" that he enjoyed– What's a 'stage-clear' action game? It can be explained in a footnote if you want, but it has to be explained regardless.
Ian Flynn, who wrote Sonic the Hedgehog comics published by Archie Comics– Sonic the Hedgehog (Archie Comics) is an article; is there a reason it links to Sonic comics in general?
Kishimoto did the Japanese localization using Flynn's script as a base, making changes to suit the Japanese market– Similarly, video game localization could be linked here.
... plays during the second phase of the battle against Supreme, the fourth and final Titan of the game– Supreme is introduced in § Plot, so only a name is needed here.
Sleeping with Sirens vocalist Kellin Quinn appears on three Titan battle themes; "Undefeatable", "Break Through It All" and "Find Your Flame", and vocalist and producer Tyler Smyth of DangerKids features on the latter track. The other two ending themes are "Dear Father" and "One Way Dream", performed by Quinn Barnitt and Nathan Sharp respectively. The latter song plays in place of "Vandalize" if the game is completed on hard difficulty.– All of this is unsourced.
Besides the above comments, the section looks good and was an interesting read, so thank you! DecafPotato ( talk) 21:44, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
The controls received mixed responses, you need to cite more than two sources to accurately represent the opinions of critics at large, especially when three other sources are cited within that paragraph (same for other paragraph).
Video Games Chronicles noted that the controls had been tightened up, but still occasionally had issuesand
... Shacknews also noted the "stunning visuals" of Frontiers, be wary of using the verb "noting" to describe anything but facts. (see the last bullet point of WP:CRS—while CRS isn't a WP:P&G, the relevant bit is rooted in them)
Some publications noted that user review scores were comparable to those for acclaimed games such as Breath of the Wild and Elden Ring (2022).– Although this is being sourced to reliable publications, I'm fairly sure that user review scores still should not be included in articles (the WaPo source is okay, though—it outlines the views of the community and doesn't lean on user review scores, instead judging community consensus itself). Besides, is this information worth including? User review scores are always weird, this is nothing special.
The game was nominated in the Players' Voice category at The Game Awards 2022– Did Frontiers not receive any other awards or nominations? If it did, a "accolades" or "awards and nominations" section (see Accolades|Celeste for an example) should be made.
over 26,000,
around 26,000, or maybe even just
26,000.
Section looks good overall! If I'm being honest I was kind of ready to say a LOT more about this section, but the expansion to it fixed a lot of those issues before I could even review the full thing! Only the lead (I forgot about
§ Release, lol) to go, now.
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It officially went gold on October 22, 2022, and finally released on November 8, 2022 ...– Does using the term "went gold" add anything? "Finished development" is more clear and more understandable to a general audience. And "finally released" is a bit non- NPoV-y—just "released" is fine.
In Japan, the game features various ...– Use "featured", past tense.
... who also serves as the Japanese brand ambassador of the Sonic series ...– The Japanese brand ambassador? Is she the only one?
The game's backstory detailing how Sonic and his friends come to the Islands was elaborated on via pre-release promotional media under the name Sonic Frontiers Prologue– This sentence feels clunky to me. A possible solution would be
Additional information that serves as a prelude to Frontiers' plot was detailed in pre-release promotional media titled Sonic Frontiers Prolouge—obviously improve that if you can, but I think it's a good starting point.
... released in October 2022; and an accompanying animated short ...– Is this a proper use of a semi-colon?
Main thing here is that § Marketing and § Release could be combined and detailed (roughly) chronologically instead. Other than that, it looks good. Now it's actually only the lead to go. DecafPotato ( talk) 06:50, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
Frontiers integrates platforming and traditional Sonic elements—such as rings and grind rails—into the series' first open world environment– This makes it sound like platforming isn't a traditional Sonic element.
Players can solve puzzles, complete challenges, collect items and battle robotic enemies and colossal Titans. By accessing "Cyber Space" portals, players complete traditional platforming levels based on those from previous Sonic games.– I think this could be rephrased a bit. A quick idea from me is to say "Within the open world, players complete certain challenges and battle robotic enemies, and in "Cyber Space" levels, they can complete levels adapted from previous Sonic games".
Sega trademarked the title "Sonic Frontiers" in November 2021 ...– I don't know if this information is neccesarily important enough for the lead.
... and announced it at The Game Awards 2021 the next month– In line with the feedback directly above, I'd say this could be changed to just "Frontiers was announced in December 2021"—the venue isn't really needed here.
Sonic Frontiers was released for the Nintendo Switch, PlayStation 4, PlayStation 5, Windows, Xbox One, and Xbox Series X/S on November 8, 2022. Sonic Frontiers received mixed reviews from critics.– Two sentences in a row starting with "Sonic Frontiers" doesn't flow the best. The second sentence could be replaced with "Upon release, it received mixed reviews from critics".
They praised the open world, visuals, plot and soundtrack, but found aspects of the gameplay repetitive. However, it was received more favorably by fans of the series ...– The word "however" here may be a NPoV issue—these statements don't really seem to contrast each other, as what the article says critics disliked are completely separate to what it says fans did like.
... and set a record for the largest number of concurrent players for a Sonic game on Steam– Is this information noteworthy enough for the lead?
Sorry for the delay—as mentioned below, it's been a busy week. The lead looks good, though, and once these are adressed, I'll do one final look through the article, as certain sections have been adjusted/added to since I reviewed them. However, the article looks really good, and I don't foresee any issues with the article being passed. DecafPotato ( talk) 23:39, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
I just need the file source to be fixed, but the rest of the GA criteria seem to be met! (If an onlooker doesn't think so, now's the time to yell " Objection!") Otherwise, good work on the article, and Happy New Year! DecafPotato ( talk) 23:45, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
Shouldn't the Santa costume DLC be mentioned here? Visokor ( talk) 21:40, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
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https://manuals.sega.com/sonicfrontiers/en/ Meiaoal ( talk) 18:43, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
Okay, so I can confirm (based on official sources, such as Sega’s own financial reports at the end of fiscal years) that Sonic Frontiers had better initial sales than Heroes (1.42 million units sold from its release to March 31, 2004), Shadow’s game (1.59 million units sold from its release to March 31, 2006), Sonic 06 (870,000 units sold in the United States and Europe within four months, by March 31, 2007), Sonic Unleashed (2.45 million units combined by March 31, 2009, which means Frontiers defeated it in like 1/4 the time, as it did 2.5 million units in just over a month), Sonic Colors (2.18 million units sold across both the Wii and DS, as of March 31, 2011), and Sonic Generations (1.85 million copies worldwide across all platforms by March 31, 2012).
Either way, all of the figures came from Sega’s financial reports by the end of their respective fiscal years, ending by March 31 of said years, meaning Frontiers had faster initial units sold than all those games in less time.
To my knowledge, the only game that still sits undefeated is Sonic 2, having sold 3.2 million cartridges in just 2 weeks!
But other than that, is Frontiers actually the fastest selling (not lifetime sales) 3D Sonic game, or am I missing something?
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In the "Sales" section of Reception, add that it became the best selling 3D Sonic game of all time on May 8th, 2023. 192.154.116.70 ( talk) 16:02, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
This page is going to need to be heavily revisited after Sept. 28th and the Final Horizon update, isn't it. FerDeLancer ( talk) 12:24, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
Remember the controversy during the Game Awards, where Sonic fans and Genshin fans squabbled over the Player's Choice award? I am conflicted on whether that should be here or on a Game Awards related article. FerDeLancer ( talk) 00:30, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
Hey Sergecross73, whenever you remove the term "however", why would you strictly stated that there isn't a correlation between a mixed reception and fan reception. Sometimes it is. You just act like a mean jerk sometimes when it comes to editing and fixing Wikipedia articles. You just don't even get it like you always never will. 2601:196:4A01:D770:98AD:44F6:B229:3FCE ( talk) 02:44, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
I'm unsure whether to include James Stephanie Sterling's review [1] of this game. Their review may be significant. Also, them calling it the worst game of 2022 [2] may be significant. Ss0jse ( talk) 20:56, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
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Sonic Frontiers is scheduled for release on the Nintendo Switch, PlayStation 4, PlayStation 5, Windows, Xbox One, and Xbox Series X/S- no one is going to think the game is going to be hurled out of a building. Popcornfud ( talk) 14:41, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
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Regarding the statement "series composer Jun Senoue is contributing to the score.[13]" is not entirely true. It's confirmed that Tomoya Ohtani, the series veteran composer is set to be the game's lead composer.
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Southwestmetal has continued to attempt to replace the existing gameplay screenshot without explanation, despite repeated reversion. I believe that there is no reason to change the existing image. The open world gameplay is both the primary focus of the game and a new element to the Sonic franchise; similarly, the use of more elaborate combat sequences is something that has not been in past games. Having a gameplay screenshot that illustrates both of these new elements is far more helpful to readers than a screenshot of Sonic running through Cyberspace, which is both not the primary gameplay component and does not distinguish easily from the gameplay of the last 15 years' worth of 3D Sonic games. -- Cyberlink420 ( talk) 23:12, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
I'm aware this has been controversial in the past (for some reason), but when using terms such as a genre or the type media a project is, we should be putting the year as part of prose instead of in parenthesis behind it. It should mirror the same format that short descriptions use.
Basically, something like "The Sonic the Hedgehog (2020) feature film" seems forced, while "Development began after the release of Sonic Forces (2017)" is fine. ~ Dissident93 ( talk) 12:03, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
Has anyone gotten their hands on the new issue of Game Informer? I've seen multiple websites reporting on the Frontiers issue mentioning a fishing minigame with Big on Cyberspace, but since I'm not a subscriber and can't read it myself, I don't want to cite the issue unless it's for sure real. Could anyone with access to the issue please confirm? -- Cyberlink420 ( talk) 03:00, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
According to the latest Nintendo Direct Mini that came out on June 28, they revealed that Sonic Frontiers comes out Holiday 2022. So that’s why you need edit that release date section. Here’s the link if you want to make a reference: https://www.gameinformer.com/2022/07/01/nintendo-direct-mini-monster-hunter-rise-sunbreak-sonic-frontiers-all-things-nintendo?amp 70.41.154.159 ( talk) 18:58, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
Tomoya Ohtani has posted frequently on his twitter page that he is conposing for Frontiers and also confirmed in a livestream that he is the sound director. He has been the sound director for every mainline release since Sonic '06 and there has been nothing to suggest that Jun Senoue has taken over. For some reason though, his name is not listed as Composer and Jun Senoue this has instead been miscredited to Senoue.
This should either be ammended to include Ohtani or the composer section should remain blank until we get more official confirmation of Jun Senoue's involvement and what role he actually is playing in the composition. Senoue is most likely not actually doing any composition work but just providing guitar work similar to what he did for Sonic Forces.
https://www.gonintendo.com/contents/5467-sonic-frontiers-sound-director-talks-about-his-new-fresh-approach-to-the-game Skimbybimby ( talk) 21:00, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
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Change "give Sonic coemetics themed after Korone" to "give Sonic cosmetics themed after Korone" in the second paragraph of the 'Release' section. RayMairlot ( talk) 16:48, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
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KaioGabriel20 ( talk) 16:55, 10 November 2022 (UTC)'Sonic Frontiers received mixed to postive reviews; critics praised the open world and story, but found the gameplay repetitive. I saw that Fronteirs was good.
There seems to be some disagreement over whether or not to include mention of the user reception on Steam. Obviously citing Steam directly would be inappropriate, which is why I tried to find a suitable secondary source for it instead. However I can certainly get behind the opinion that maybe it is a little bit jumping the gun, and we should wait to see if the gulf in critical and player reception receives any more significant coverage (I can imagine it will, given time). Nonetheless, I'm perfectly fine with whichever position is the most accepted by everyone else. silvia ( inquire within) 15:48, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
Due to recent spikes in comments from Metacritic, a lot of which containing popularity bias due to an internet influencers comments on the game, I highly suggest that caution is used when using metacritic as a source for this article. Please scan the source for bias before using. PerryPerryD Talk To Me 03:57, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
My question here is simply, Should dunkey be mentioned in this article? Right now theres a source from Kotaku, however im concerned about the additions of Dunkey to the article, At least for now, Im wondering if dunkey should be mentioned, or if we should wait for the steam to calm down, or not include him at all. Im unsure about what should be done in this situation. PerryPerryD Talk To Me 16:37, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
While we have a short paragraph mentioning the player reception (which eclipses that of the critics'), I'm torn on whether it is necessary to include it in the lead as well. As I see it, this should depend on whether it is considered noteworthy enough and supported with enough reliable sources talking about it. Usually, any fan responses that are reported on and subsequently included in the lead of WP articles concern negative responses or a backlash (notable examples being The Last of Us Part II, Warcraft III: Reforged, and Mass Effect 3), which typically results in more coverage that we're not seeing with Sonic Frontiers; it's rare that there are examples of the reverse happening to a significant degree. Wikibenboy94 ( talk) 13:50, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
Hi,
Due to the recent reviews sorrounding the game, should we change it to polarising or put it as one of the most polarising games despite only releasing a few days? Because there's a lot of chaos between critics, fans, youtubers and the general public. 120.20.136.223 ( talk) 05:18, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
Fair enough, and also there are many reviewers praising the presentation, specifically the visuals, music and voice acting, in the latter there are many liking Sonia's more mature voice despite being odd at first. I can't add it as it's semi protected but can we add it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.68.205.9 ( talk) 10:44, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
Why are user reviews currently being cited for the reception section when (as far as I'm aware of) this is borderline never done for any other media article on Wikipedia? 102.182.230.106 ( talk) 09:22, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
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Edit the “Sonic Frontiers” page RoyBradSnell ( talk) 21:57, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
Hello, the Egg memo i'm talking about is number 11, it explains the Ancients are relatives to chaos, and that their DNA corroded and they became a new species, also their technology exists on Angel island as seen in Divergence. While it is not directly confirmed that they are Chao, it is heavily implied since they are the only inhabitants of Angel island alongside Knuckles, and chaos was the first guardian of the Master Emerald and became angry when the Echidnas invaded and particularly harmed the Chao. So, all of this worth mentioning doesn't it? Haji kiluu ( talk) 20:14, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
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Reviewer: DecafPotato ( talk · contribs) 22:14, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
Hello! This is my first review, so I encourage others to correct me, but my review should be here somewhat soon.
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The player can double jump, sidestep using their gamepad's shoulder buttons, drop dash, and boost with the right trigger if they have enough energy– You could probably remove the details on how these actions are performed and stick to that they can be performed— WP:GAMECRUFT #3 kind of covers this.
Sonic also has the ability to boost even faster upon collecting the maximum amount of rings, gaining a blue aura reminiscent of his counterpart from the Sonic the Hedgehog film series.– This is sourced to the game's Wiki Guide on IGN, which is unreliable per WP:UGC.
The world retains traditional Sonic elements, such as springs, boost pads, and grind rails, akin to past hub worlds in the series like Sonic Adventure and Sonic Unleashed but on a greater scale.– Is the comparison to Adventure and Unleashed needed here? As someone who hasn't played either game, it doesn't assist in my understanding of Frontiers' gameplay.
... and Memory Tokens, which are used to trigger cutscenes conversations with Sonic's friends — that either progress the plot (occasionally via minigames) or expand on their characters and relationships with Sonic in side stories.– This sentence doesn't really make sense until details on the plot are given—perhaps this information can be incorporated in that section.
The main quest takes 20–30 hours to finish, while finding all collectibles, exploring all parts of the islands, and completing all side stories takes as much as 60 hours– I don't think this information needs to be included.
"Cyber Space" — short, linear levels similar to those from previous Sonic games.(in § Gameplay) and
Cyber Space, a digital realm connected to the islands(in § Characters) — These explain the same thing with a different definition. Having played the game, I know that one is explaining it from a gameplay perspective and another from a story perspective, but perhaps that could be made more clear, and the explanations themselves could be combined.
A fishing minigame is also included ...– The word "minigame" is included above in "
occasionally via minigames", it should instead be linked on its first occurrence there.
Collecting all seven Chaos Emeralds allows the player to transform into Super Sonic, who is required to defeat the game's major bosses, the Titans.– Similar to the explanation of the Memory Tokens, this makes no sense until the plot section is read, which is lower in the article.
Although the game's difficulty can be changed at any time, the final boss, which is fought as Super Sonic and Sage (possessing the Supreme Titan) in a top-down shoot 'em up gameplay style similar to Ikaruga, requires the player to be playing on Hard to fight it and all of its phases– Is the fact that the player must be on hard difficulty to unlock the boss needed to explain the article? It may be WP:GAMEGUIDE material. Additionally, who is Sage? She's once again explained in the lower Characters section.
That's it for Gameplay, I'll continue with the rest of the sections shortly. DecafPotato ( talk) 23:16, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
Players control Sonic in exploring the Starfall Islands archipelago to collect the Chaos Emeralds and investigate the islands' relationship to them.– Most of this is duplicate information from the opening sentence of § Gameplay—all of this information could be incorporated there instead.
One of Sonic's objectives is to rescue three of his friends — Miles "Tails" Prower and Amy Rose, who initially accompany Sonic in his investigation; and Knuckles the Echidna, who was transported there earlier from the ruins above Angel Island — from Cyber Space, a digital realm connected to the islands. Sonic's friends project themselves as holograms in the real world while trapped, allowing them to interact with and advise Sonic.– This feels like information that should be given in § Plot or § Gameplay (along with the Memory Tokens), as it is heavily tied to that.
Big the Cat makes an appearance as a host for a fishing minigame.– Put this in § Gameplay where the fishing minigame is introduced.
Upon reaching and interacting with a portal to Cyber Space, several robotic defense units are summoned. Sage, detecting a threat signature from the defense units, ceases hijacking the portal and initiates a protection protocol, dragging Eggman into Cyber Space.– I feel as though this could be shortened a bit. Maybe "Upon reaching and interacting with a portal to Cyber Space, Sage detects a threat signature from summoned defense units, initiating a protection protocall and dragging Eggman into Cyber Space" could work? I didn't put a lot of thought into that, though. I'm sure you can think of something better.
A disembodied voice comments on Sonic's "impossible" escape, and tasks him with finding the Chaos Emeralds and destroying the island's robotic "Titans" to remove the boundary between the real and digital worlds.– Why are "Titans" in quotations here? They're already explained in § Gameplay.
... which resumes its attack on Earth using the last Titan, Supreme, prompting Sonic's friends to purge the corruption from him by sacrificing their physical forms.– The "him" in "purge the corruption from him" sounds like it may be referring to Supreme. Sonic isn't really the subject of the phrase "Sonic's friends"—his friends are, making Supreme the most recent subject of a sentence.
Sonic's friends are restored and leave the islands with him, now wishing to make a difference in their lives after their experiences.– Is the fact that they wish to make a difference in their lives worth including here?
TL;DR: Cut § Characters, shorten § Plot. Otherwise, looks good, and more sections will be reviewed soon. :) DecafPotato ( talk) 09:23, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
Iizuka felt the series needed to take an innovative direction that would inform future games, similar to how Sonic the Hedgehog (1991) and Sonic Adventure (1998) set templates used by later games– Should this not be included earlier when it states that Sonic Team aimed to find a consistent format for the next decade of Sonic?
As such, he declined to call it an open-world game, preferring the term "open zone".– Verifiability, not truth, sure, and I also just may be wrong, but isn't it "open-zone" because it's split into five zones rather than one cohesive world?
Sonic Team sought to address criticism that previous Sonic games were too short– This information is already included in § Conception.
With the Cyber Space levels, Kishimoto wanted Sonic to "once again... stand amongst the other 'stage-clear' action games" that he enjoyed– What's a 'stage-clear' action game? It can be explained in a footnote if you want, but it has to be explained regardless.
Ian Flynn, who wrote Sonic the Hedgehog comics published by Archie Comics– Sonic the Hedgehog (Archie Comics) is an article; is there a reason it links to Sonic comics in general?
Kishimoto did the Japanese localization using Flynn's script as a base, making changes to suit the Japanese market– Similarly, video game localization could be linked here.
... plays during the second phase of the battle against Supreme, the fourth and final Titan of the game– Supreme is introduced in § Plot, so only a name is needed here.
Sleeping with Sirens vocalist Kellin Quinn appears on three Titan battle themes; "Undefeatable", "Break Through It All" and "Find Your Flame", and vocalist and producer Tyler Smyth of DangerKids features on the latter track. The other two ending themes are "Dear Father" and "One Way Dream", performed by Quinn Barnitt and Nathan Sharp respectively. The latter song plays in place of "Vandalize" if the game is completed on hard difficulty.– All of this is unsourced.
Besides the above comments, the section looks good and was an interesting read, so thank you! DecafPotato ( talk) 21:44, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
The controls received mixed responses, you need to cite more than two sources to accurately represent the opinions of critics at large, especially when three other sources are cited within that paragraph (same for other paragraph).
Video Games Chronicles noted that the controls had been tightened up, but still occasionally had issuesand
... Shacknews also noted the "stunning visuals" of Frontiers, be wary of using the verb "noting" to describe anything but facts. (see the last bullet point of WP:CRS—while CRS isn't a WP:P&G, the relevant bit is rooted in them)
Some publications noted that user review scores were comparable to those for acclaimed games such as Breath of the Wild and Elden Ring (2022).– Although this is being sourced to reliable publications, I'm fairly sure that user review scores still should not be included in articles (the WaPo source is okay, though—it outlines the views of the community and doesn't lean on user review scores, instead judging community consensus itself). Besides, is this information worth including? User review scores are always weird, this is nothing special.
The game was nominated in the Players' Voice category at The Game Awards 2022– Did Frontiers not receive any other awards or nominations? If it did, a "accolades" or "awards and nominations" section (see Accolades|Celeste for an example) should be made.
over 26,000,
around 26,000, or maybe even just
26,000.
Section looks good overall! If I'm being honest I was kind of ready to say a LOT more about this section, but the expansion to it fixed a lot of those issues before I could even review the full thing! Only the lead (I forgot about
§ Release, lol) to go, now.
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It officially went gold on October 22, 2022, and finally released on November 8, 2022 ...– Does using the term "went gold" add anything? "Finished development" is more clear and more understandable to a general audience. And "finally released" is a bit non- NPoV-y—just "released" is fine.
In Japan, the game features various ...– Use "featured", past tense.
... who also serves as the Japanese brand ambassador of the Sonic series ...– The Japanese brand ambassador? Is she the only one?
The game's backstory detailing how Sonic and his friends come to the Islands was elaborated on via pre-release promotional media under the name Sonic Frontiers Prologue– This sentence feels clunky to me. A possible solution would be
Additional information that serves as a prelude to Frontiers' plot was detailed in pre-release promotional media titled Sonic Frontiers Prolouge—obviously improve that if you can, but I think it's a good starting point.
... released in October 2022; and an accompanying animated short ...– Is this a proper use of a semi-colon?
Main thing here is that § Marketing and § Release could be combined and detailed (roughly) chronologically instead. Other than that, it looks good. Now it's actually only the lead to go. DecafPotato ( talk) 06:50, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
Frontiers integrates platforming and traditional Sonic elements—such as rings and grind rails—into the series' first open world environment– This makes it sound like platforming isn't a traditional Sonic element.
Players can solve puzzles, complete challenges, collect items and battle robotic enemies and colossal Titans. By accessing "Cyber Space" portals, players complete traditional platforming levels based on those from previous Sonic games.– I think this could be rephrased a bit. A quick idea from me is to say "Within the open world, players complete certain challenges and battle robotic enemies, and in "Cyber Space" levels, they can complete levels adapted from previous Sonic games".
Sega trademarked the title "Sonic Frontiers" in November 2021 ...– I don't know if this information is neccesarily important enough for the lead.
... and announced it at The Game Awards 2021 the next month– In line with the feedback directly above, I'd say this could be changed to just "Frontiers was announced in December 2021"—the venue isn't really needed here.
Sonic Frontiers was released for the Nintendo Switch, PlayStation 4, PlayStation 5, Windows, Xbox One, and Xbox Series X/S on November 8, 2022. Sonic Frontiers received mixed reviews from critics.– Two sentences in a row starting with "Sonic Frontiers" doesn't flow the best. The second sentence could be replaced with "Upon release, it received mixed reviews from critics".
They praised the open world, visuals, plot and soundtrack, but found aspects of the gameplay repetitive. However, it was received more favorably by fans of the series ...– The word "however" here may be a NPoV issue—these statements don't really seem to contrast each other, as what the article says critics disliked are completely separate to what it says fans did like.
... and set a record for the largest number of concurrent players for a Sonic game on Steam– Is this information noteworthy enough for the lead?
Sorry for the delay—as mentioned below, it's been a busy week. The lead looks good, though, and once these are adressed, I'll do one final look through the article, as certain sections have been adjusted/added to since I reviewed them. However, the article looks really good, and I don't foresee any issues with the article being passed. DecafPotato ( talk) 23:39, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
I just need the file source to be fixed, but the rest of the GA criteria seem to be met! (If an onlooker doesn't think so, now's the time to yell " Objection!") Otherwise, good work on the article, and Happy New Year! DecafPotato ( talk) 23:45, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
Shouldn't the Santa costume DLC be mentioned here? Visokor ( talk) 21:40, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
https://asia.sega.com/SonicFrontiers/en/comic/comic01.html Ikalzlkr ( talk) 14:07, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
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web manual in multiple languages
https://manuals.sega.com/sonicfrontiers/en/ Meiaoal ( talk) 18:43, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
Okay, so I can confirm (based on official sources, such as Sega’s own financial reports at the end of fiscal years) that Sonic Frontiers had better initial sales than Heroes (1.42 million units sold from its release to March 31, 2004), Shadow’s game (1.59 million units sold from its release to March 31, 2006), Sonic 06 (870,000 units sold in the United States and Europe within four months, by March 31, 2007), Sonic Unleashed (2.45 million units combined by March 31, 2009, which means Frontiers defeated it in like 1/4 the time, as it did 2.5 million units in just over a month), Sonic Colors (2.18 million units sold across both the Wii and DS, as of March 31, 2011), and Sonic Generations (1.85 million copies worldwide across all platforms by March 31, 2012).
Either way, all of the figures came from Sega’s financial reports by the end of their respective fiscal years, ending by March 31 of said years, meaning Frontiers had faster initial units sold than all those games in less time.
To my knowledge, the only game that still sits undefeated is Sonic 2, having sold 3.2 million cartridges in just 2 weeks!
But other than that, is Frontiers actually the fastest selling (not lifetime sales) 3D Sonic game, or am I missing something?
Thanks. :)
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In the "Sales" section of Reception, add that it became the best selling 3D Sonic game of all time on May 8th, 2023. 192.154.116.70 ( talk) 16:02, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
This page is going to need to be heavily revisited after Sept. 28th and the Final Horizon update, isn't it. FerDeLancer ( talk) 12:24, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
Remember the controversy during the Game Awards, where Sonic fans and Genshin fans squabbled over the Player's Choice award? I am conflicted on whether that should be here or on a Game Awards related article. FerDeLancer ( talk) 00:30, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
Hey Sergecross73, whenever you remove the term "however", why would you strictly stated that there isn't a correlation between a mixed reception and fan reception. Sometimes it is. You just act like a mean jerk sometimes when it comes to editing and fixing Wikipedia articles. You just don't even get it like you always never will. 2601:196:4A01:D770:98AD:44F6:B229:3FCE ( talk) 02:44, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
I'm unsure whether to include James Stephanie Sterling's review [1] of this game. Their review may be significant. Also, them calling it the worst game of 2022 [2] may be significant. Ss0jse ( talk) 20:56, 8 July 2024 (UTC)