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I've removed several paragraphs of unreferenced vagueness. This leaves essentially nothing except Jon Entine. Some properly sourced alternative opinions are badly needed; the existing external links might be a good start. – Smyth\ talk 10:14, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
Outside of a few black supremacy groups, I have yet to see a compelling study indicating that African-Americans are naturally more athletic. In reality we only see black dominance in basketball, sprints, and to a lesser extent American football. I think until we actually discover more scientific research on this, it should be written a pseudo-scientific theory, not a credible work. Applez2Applez ( talk) 23:00, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
An article on race and sports should discuss racial discrimination in sports. The title move has defined race and sports very narrowly, forgetting to take this into account. On the other hand there are plenty of books on the subject—e.g."In black and white: race and sports in America" by Kenneth L. Shropshire—which cover racial discrimination. Readers will expect to see some coverage of that. Having chosen this new title for the article, it should therefore reflect this wider common usage of the term. Thanks, Mathsci ( talk) 05:45, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
Articles to use:
- Location ( talk) 16:54, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
Topics to address:
- Location ( talk) 21:16, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
There are unsourced statements by Location (which are correct and in the source I mentioned). The article is in a very poor state. Your own extensive interest in race—the only topic you edit on wikipedia—apparently appears to stop short of the topic of racial discrimination. If that is the case, why did you choose this title, which in the literature is almost exclusively concerned with racial discrimination in sports and access for minorities in sports? Mathsci ( talk) 20:57, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
There was also a 2005 statement by the United Nations inviting "Member States to demonstrate greater commitment in fighting racism in sport by conducting educational and awareness-raising activities and by strongly condemning the perpetrators of racist incidents, in cooperation with national and international sports organizations." [2] Mathsci ( talk) 04:07, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
I noticed that the discrepancies section was very biased, so I decided to add some sourced statistics based on various Olympic performances and championships.
I believe that it is important for the reader to know that there is no scientific basis behind this concept (race and sports), and that just because certain groups excell in different disciplines, does not mean that it is due to their ancestry or racial genetics.
There are tons of examples - non-white Tiger Woods in white dominated Golf, non-white Williams sisters in white dominated Tennis; the list could go on and on.
Also, I felt that it was a bit US-centric, because most of the percentages given were for the United States and not the world. Ex. Serbia/Yugoslavia has won more basketball world championships than the US, despite being 1/10th the size, and with all-white players on the teams. And the fact that African countries have never won any medals in international basketball, despite their large population and the race-sports stereotype. In terms of personal opinion, I think that this stereotype is definitely not international because I have lived in quite a few parts of the world, and the only ones where people stressed race/ethnicity and sports performance was the United States (and Canada, probably due to the cultural influence of the US.)-- Therexbanner ( talk) 15:27, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
As an aside, from the National Consortium for Academics and Sports's latest (2008) Gender and Race Equality Report, the MLB was 8.2% African American, 29.1% Latino, and 2.8% Asian. That means that the statement on the MLB is definitely incorrect. If anything, the MLB has less African Americans than the average population. "The 8.2 percent African-American player total in 2007 was the lowest percentage in the more than 20 years of the publication of the Report Card." Link to the report: http://www.ncasports.org/Articles/2008_RGRC.pdf Also, I think everyone should refrain from citing any numbers/"facts" provided by Jon Entine, as he and his book were deemed to be somewhat racist, and incorrect (the data was way off).-- Therexbanner ( talk) 18:27, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
Is there a {{idiotic}} tag somewhere that we could just slap on this piece of junk? Volunteer Marek ( talk) 01:57, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
For starters, all this score-keeping about which race is better at which sport needs to be simply removed, with extreme prejudice, from this article. Wikipedia is not a forum for this dysfunctional weird score keeping. Volunteer Marek ( talk) 02:04, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
In my opinion, an article entitled "Race and Sports" should discuss primarily 1) The history of Race and Sports and 2) the current situation. Things like which race is supposedly better at what sports are tertiary, if that. There's a little bit of 1) and 2) already in the article but it is woefully underdeveloped, especially given the vast number of sources on 1). Jackie Robinson, for example, gets a single sentence. But there are literally tens of millions of books written about him and his impact out there. Negro league baseball also gets only one line although, again, there are millions of sources on that. Basically, the core of the article should be something like the "Racial prejudices, discrimination, segregation, and integration" although I would re-title it "History of Race and Sports" or something, and make it more in line with such a heading. A section like "Portrayals in film", which should really be "Portrayals in media" is likewise just begging for an expansion - there's books, thesis, articles, whole journals devoted to this.
The sections: "Participation and performance disparities", "Explanations for participation and performance disparities" and even "Public views and stereotypes" should go to the end of the article and be trimmed down. Some of the things in that section need to be simply removed. I would suggest not getting distracted and bogged down in discussing these aspects of the article, simply cut most of the inappropriate text from them, and instead concentrate on developing the parts that this article really should be about. Volunteer Marek ( talk) 20:55, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
I'd like to start a new section on racial disparities in athletic performance. The stereotypes about black people (can't swim) and white men (can't jump) could be caused either (a) by inherent potential (e.g., it's in their genes), (b) by culture, upbringing, and opportunity (black parents don't give their children as many swimming lessons, whites don't hang out at a playground with basketball hoops as much), or (c) a combination of both.
No one believes that Americans living in California have any special inherent ability in surfing; most people recognize that the surfing craze simply started there. For one thing, a lot of Californians had plenty of money and leisure time. No one thinks there's a "surfing gene" that Okies lack: there simply isn't anywhere to surf in the Great Plains. -- Uncle Ed ( talk) 17:22, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
Couldn't this at least get a mention? -- MacRusgail ( talk) 16:37, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
There is no mention of "Strength Sports", such as the Bench Press. These sports are White Man dominated, meaning that they go against the "Black brawn and White brain" stereotypes mentioned in the "black athletic superiority" section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.20.61.184 ( talk) 07:27, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
I'd love to see a chart showing black representation in various North American sports compared to the proportion of blacks in the national population - and how this has changed since the mid-twentieth century.
Something like this, maybe:
Year | Major leagues | Population | Ratio |
1945 | 2% | 10% | 1:5 |
1959 | 17% | 11% | 3:2 |
1975 | 27% | 11% | 5:2 |
1995 | 19% | 12% | 3:2 |
It seems like the under-representation of blacks in U.S. baseball ended during the early years of the Civil rights movement. -- Uncle Ed ( talk) 16:07, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
If the diversity of sources for the table is a problem, we can list each source in a cell. Better yet, let's find a source that has statistics for each year.
I don't like the idea of you or I drawing our own conclusions in a WP:SYNTHy way. Maybe we should quote someone who represents MLB, along with a critic of it, and let the reader choose whom to believe. The AP article you quoted implies that the current 1:1 ratio (a decline from 3:2) is due to lack of interest or subsidy support for youth baseball. Also, there is the question of whether dark-skinned Latinos are "[[black Americans|black]".
But I guess we agree on one thing: we should take a neutral approach to the color barrier / color line issue. -- Uncle Ed ( talk) 17:13, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
There is a longtime merger proposal in this article. I have opened a discussion at the Racism in sport talk page, and hopefully we can build a consensus on whether the article should be moved or not, and the merge tags can be deleted. Please comment at the Racism in sport talk page, and not at this page. Regards, Iselilja ( talk) 11:37, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
Not all East Africans or even black athletes are favoured genetically/physiologically, only a single ethnic group – and their descendants elsewhere in the world, see Kalenjin people#References. This needs to be rectified in the article. -- Florian Blaschke ( talk) 17:02, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
Section I-B entitled "Graduation Rates" is wholly irrelevant to a "Race and Sports" Wikipedia article. On that basis alone it should be deleted. In my personal opinion, I would also add that it kinda reads like: "Before you read this article about the relative dominance of blacks in American sports, you should know that blacks are stupid." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.229.130.192 ( talk) 17:32, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
The first two paragraphs of the section on physiological factors were placed there by an editor, Mre env, who is a collaborator of the author he cites. He's been adding non NPOV content related to Bejan's work in several articles, and it might be worth reviewing if that is the case here. The journal the article he cites was published in is even noted in its wikipedia page for potentially having very low standards: Wessex Institute of Technology#Design_and_Nature. 38.65.195.5 ( talk) 20:42, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
The article cries out for restructuring. Getting rid of the "and" in the title would be useful. This is why Wikipedia discourages "and" articles. Is this "Race in Sports"? "Racial factors determining success in sports" (which I think incorrect, though clear), "Participation in sports by race"? "Success in sports by race"? With an "and", the discussion kind of drifts and loses focus. Student7 ( talk) 23:21, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
In America, at least, "racial" differences have been disproved by a study showing that a white person, selected at random, has more similar genetics to any black person, selected at random, than any two blacks persons, selected at random. This might differ in other countries, but the article is mostly about the US. Student7 ( talk) 23:21, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
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Appearantly, humans have attained the CMAH gene, helping them to become much better in distance running. See here and here. I'm not sure however whether mutations of that gene (which all humans have) exist between races (for example Kenyan runners). Perhaps it can be looked into, and obtained info can be added to this page ? Genetics4good ( talk) 17:47, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
I don't know much about this topic, but from what I've read/heard, it is generally accepted today that the concept of race is inherently a social construct, thus "socially constructed races" seems redundant & repetitive (and possibly confusing). "Socially constructed races" implies that there is some type/concept of race that isn't a social construct, and what is being referred to is specifically socially constructed. Is there any reason to specify "socially constructed"? The only other reason that I can think of is to stress that race is a social construct, but I don't see why it would be particularly important to stress that in the context of this article (any more so than any other), and even if it should be included to stress the point, it would seem more correct to include it as parenthetical I.E. 'races (which is a social construct)' rather than as an adjective. Yaakovaryeh ( talk) 19:43, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
There's a sentence which says According to a report by the Green Bay Packers, the NFL earned $7,808,000 from TV deals, and split it among its 32 teams evenly. This means that each NFL owner “made $244m last year in 2016”
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"If there is a 'black gene' that leads to athletic prowess, why then do African Americans, 90 percent of whom have at least one white ancestor, outperform blacks from African nations in every sport except long distance running?"
African countries are extremely poor. People there are malnourished. They don't develop their maximum athletic qualities. Also, there is not enough money to found the training of all the athletes needed to be able to compete in professional sports. This question is not serious and wikipedia should be serious so please remove it.
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I've removed several paragraphs of unreferenced vagueness. This leaves essentially nothing except Jon Entine. Some properly sourced alternative opinions are badly needed; the existing external links might be a good start. – Smyth\ talk 10:14, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
Outside of a few black supremacy groups, I have yet to see a compelling study indicating that African-Americans are naturally more athletic. In reality we only see black dominance in basketball, sprints, and to a lesser extent American football. I think until we actually discover more scientific research on this, it should be written a pseudo-scientific theory, not a credible work. Applez2Applez ( talk) 23:00, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
An article on race and sports should discuss racial discrimination in sports. The title move has defined race and sports very narrowly, forgetting to take this into account. On the other hand there are plenty of books on the subject—e.g."In black and white: race and sports in America" by Kenneth L. Shropshire—which cover racial discrimination. Readers will expect to see some coverage of that. Having chosen this new title for the article, it should therefore reflect this wider common usage of the term. Thanks, Mathsci ( talk) 05:45, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
Articles to use:
- Location ( talk) 16:54, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
Topics to address:
- Location ( talk) 21:16, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
There are unsourced statements by Location (which are correct and in the source I mentioned). The article is in a very poor state. Your own extensive interest in race—the only topic you edit on wikipedia—apparently appears to stop short of the topic of racial discrimination. If that is the case, why did you choose this title, which in the literature is almost exclusively concerned with racial discrimination in sports and access for minorities in sports? Mathsci ( talk) 20:57, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
There was also a 2005 statement by the United Nations inviting "Member States to demonstrate greater commitment in fighting racism in sport by conducting educational and awareness-raising activities and by strongly condemning the perpetrators of racist incidents, in cooperation with national and international sports organizations." [2] Mathsci ( talk) 04:07, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
I noticed that the discrepancies section was very biased, so I decided to add some sourced statistics based on various Olympic performances and championships.
I believe that it is important for the reader to know that there is no scientific basis behind this concept (race and sports), and that just because certain groups excell in different disciplines, does not mean that it is due to their ancestry or racial genetics.
There are tons of examples - non-white Tiger Woods in white dominated Golf, non-white Williams sisters in white dominated Tennis; the list could go on and on.
Also, I felt that it was a bit US-centric, because most of the percentages given were for the United States and not the world. Ex. Serbia/Yugoslavia has won more basketball world championships than the US, despite being 1/10th the size, and with all-white players on the teams. And the fact that African countries have never won any medals in international basketball, despite their large population and the race-sports stereotype. In terms of personal opinion, I think that this stereotype is definitely not international because I have lived in quite a few parts of the world, and the only ones where people stressed race/ethnicity and sports performance was the United States (and Canada, probably due to the cultural influence of the US.)-- Therexbanner ( talk) 15:27, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
As an aside, from the National Consortium for Academics and Sports's latest (2008) Gender and Race Equality Report, the MLB was 8.2% African American, 29.1% Latino, and 2.8% Asian. That means that the statement on the MLB is definitely incorrect. If anything, the MLB has less African Americans than the average population. "The 8.2 percent African-American player total in 2007 was the lowest percentage in the more than 20 years of the publication of the Report Card." Link to the report: http://www.ncasports.org/Articles/2008_RGRC.pdf Also, I think everyone should refrain from citing any numbers/"facts" provided by Jon Entine, as he and his book were deemed to be somewhat racist, and incorrect (the data was way off).-- Therexbanner ( talk) 18:27, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
Is there a {{idiotic}} tag somewhere that we could just slap on this piece of junk? Volunteer Marek ( talk) 01:57, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
For starters, all this score-keeping about which race is better at which sport needs to be simply removed, with extreme prejudice, from this article. Wikipedia is not a forum for this dysfunctional weird score keeping. Volunteer Marek ( talk) 02:04, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
In my opinion, an article entitled "Race and Sports" should discuss primarily 1) The history of Race and Sports and 2) the current situation. Things like which race is supposedly better at what sports are tertiary, if that. There's a little bit of 1) and 2) already in the article but it is woefully underdeveloped, especially given the vast number of sources on 1). Jackie Robinson, for example, gets a single sentence. But there are literally tens of millions of books written about him and his impact out there. Negro league baseball also gets only one line although, again, there are millions of sources on that. Basically, the core of the article should be something like the "Racial prejudices, discrimination, segregation, and integration" although I would re-title it "History of Race and Sports" or something, and make it more in line with such a heading. A section like "Portrayals in film", which should really be "Portrayals in media" is likewise just begging for an expansion - there's books, thesis, articles, whole journals devoted to this.
The sections: "Participation and performance disparities", "Explanations for participation and performance disparities" and even "Public views and stereotypes" should go to the end of the article and be trimmed down. Some of the things in that section need to be simply removed. I would suggest not getting distracted and bogged down in discussing these aspects of the article, simply cut most of the inappropriate text from them, and instead concentrate on developing the parts that this article really should be about. Volunteer Marek ( talk) 20:55, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
I'd like to start a new section on racial disparities in athletic performance. The stereotypes about black people (can't swim) and white men (can't jump) could be caused either (a) by inherent potential (e.g., it's in their genes), (b) by culture, upbringing, and opportunity (black parents don't give their children as many swimming lessons, whites don't hang out at a playground with basketball hoops as much), or (c) a combination of both.
No one believes that Americans living in California have any special inherent ability in surfing; most people recognize that the surfing craze simply started there. For one thing, a lot of Californians had plenty of money and leisure time. No one thinks there's a "surfing gene" that Okies lack: there simply isn't anywhere to surf in the Great Plains. -- Uncle Ed ( talk) 17:22, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
Couldn't this at least get a mention? -- MacRusgail ( talk) 16:37, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
There is no mention of "Strength Sports", such as the Bench Press. These sports are White Man dominated, meaning that they go against the "Black brawn and White brain" stereotypes mentioned in the "black athletic superiority" section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.20.61.184 ( talk) 07:27, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
I'd love to see a chart showing black representation in various North American sports compared to the proportion of blacks in the national population - and how this has changed since the mid-twentieth century.
Something like this, maybe:
Year | Major leagues | Population | Ratio |
1945 | 2% | 10% | 1:5 |
1959 | 17% | 11% | 3:2 |
1975 | 27% | 11% | 5:2 |
1995 | 19% | 12% | 3:2 |
It seems like the under-representation of blacks in U.S. baseball ended during the early years of the Civil rights movement. -- Uncle Ed ( talk) 16:07, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
If the diversity of sources for the table is a problem, we can list each source in a cell. Better yet, let's find a source that has statistics for each year.
I don't like the idea of you or I drawing our own conclusions in a WP:SYNTHy way. Maybe we should quote someone who represents MLB, along with a critic of it, and let the reader choose whom to believe. The AP article you quoted implies that the current 1:1 ratio (a decline from 3:2) is due to lack of interest or subsidy support for youth baseball. Also, there is the question of whether dark-skinned Latinos are "[[black Americans|black]".
But I guess we agree on one thing: we should take a neutral approach to the color barrier / color line issue. -- Uncle Ed ( talk) 17:13, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
There is a longtime merger proposal in this article. I have opened a discussion at the Racism in sport talk page, and hopefully we can build a consensus on whether the article should be moved or not, and the merge tags can be deleted. Please comment at the Racism in sport talk page, and not at this page. Regards, Iselilja ( talk) 11:37, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
Not all East Africans or even black athletes are favoured genetically/physiologically, only a single ethnic group – and their descendants elsewhere in the world, see Kalenjin people#References. This needs to be rectified in the article. -- Florian Blaschke ( talk) 17:02, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
Section I-B entitled "Graduation Rates" is wholly irrelevant to a "Race and Sports" Wikipedia article. On that basis alone it should be deleted. In my personal opinion, I would also add that it kinda reads like: "Before you read this article about the relative dominance of blacks in American sports, you should know that blacks are stupid." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.229.130.192 ( talk) 17:32, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
The first two paragraphs of the section on physiological factors were placed there by an editor, Mre env, who is a collaborator of the author he cites. He's been adding non NPOV content related to Bejan's work in several articles, and it might be worth reviewing if that is the case here. The journal the article he cites was published in is even noted in its wikipedia page for potentially having very low standards: Wessex Institute of Technology#Design_and_Nature. 38.65.195.5 ( talk) 20:42, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
The article cries out for restructuring. Getting rid of the "and" in the title would be useful. This is why Wikipedia discourages "and" articles. Is this "Race in Sports"? "Racial factors determining success in sports" (which I think incorrect, though clear), "Participation in sports by race"? "Success in sports by race"? With an "and", the discussion kind of drifts and loses focus. Student7 ( talk) 23:21, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
In America, at least, "racial" differences have been disproved by a study showing that a white person, selected at random, has more similar genetics to any black person, selected at random, than any two blacks persons, selected at random. This might differ in other countries, but the article is mostly about the US. Student7 ( talk) 23:21, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
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Appearantly, humans have attained the CMAH gene, helping them to become much better in distance running. See here and here. I'm not sure however whether mutations of that gene (which all humans have) exist between races (for example Kenyan runners). Perhaps it can be looked into, and obtained info can be added to this page ? Genetics4good ( talk) 17:47, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
I don't know much about this topic, but from what I've read/heard, it is generally accepted today that the concept of race is inherently a social construct, thus "socially constructed races" seems redundant & repetitive (and possibly confusing). "Socially constructed races" implies that there is some type/concept of race that isn't a social construct, and what is being referred to is specifically socially constructed. Is there any reason to specify "socially constructed"? The only other reason that I can think of is to stress that race is a social construct, but I don't see why it would be particularly important to stress that in the context of this article (any more so than any other), and even if it should be included to stress the point, it would seem more correct to include it as parenthetical I.E. 'races (which is a social construct)' rather than as an adjective. Yaakovaryeh ( talk) 19:43, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
There's a sentence which says According to a report by the Green Bay Packers, the NFL earned $7,808,000 from TV deals, and split it among its 32 teams evenly. This means that each NFL owner “made $244m last year in 2016”
. Does not compute. And the quoted words do not appear in the reference. What is intended/missing here?
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"If there is a 'black gene' that leads to athletic prowess, why then do African Americans, 90 percent of whom have at least one white ancestor, outperform blacks from African nations in every sport except long distance running?"
African countries are extremely poor. People there are malnourished. They don't develop their maximum athletic qualities. Also, there is not enough money to found the training of all the athletes needed to be able to compete in professional sports. This question is not serious and wikipedia should be serious so please remove it.
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