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"Prometheus" was an international organization with participation of prominent politicians from various nation struggling under the soviet occupation - including those from Ukraine, Georgia, Azerbaijan, as well as from Finland, Latvia, Lithuania. But the source of Prometheism is first and foremost Piłsudski and not the national struggle of the nations? Undoubtedly, Poland played a very important role, particularly after 1926, but this was an international project.
This article is excellent but it cites one source for all its information. Is anyone else worried that this article might be plagiarized? Can someone please check? Comatose51 14:48, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Doesn't prometheism date back to romanticism in Poland and the works of Adam Mickiewicz - Polska Chrystusem narodów? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 13:15, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
See also pl:Prometeizm. Should we link those articles with interwiki, or are they refering to different kinds of (Polish...) prometheism?-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 02:11, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
Is it just me or does this article have a strong pro-prometheist POV? What did the Russians have to say about all this? -- Nikodemos 06:43, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
Is there a subpage to opine on GAC nomination? This is incredible that someone even dares to nominates such stuff for GA but more later when I know where to express myself on this. -- Irpen 03:44, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
Some comments on this article as a GA candidate (but I've not fully reviewed it):
Now, I won't fail this nomination, as that could be construed as bad faith on my part, but I seriously urge the writers to consider these points. Errabee 11:36, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
I would leave the copyright enforcement to the WP copyright police. But as for the rest, to say that the article is one-sided is to say nothing. The article is completely biased and should be moved to the title: Collection of Documents by Lt. Col. Edmund Charaszkiewicz or, if seeing diactrics is important to some editors, then Zbiór dokumentów ppłk. Edmunda Charaszkiewicza whould make an equally good title for the article which is about nothing but a particular author's one-sided view on the complex international issue. When the article is moved and renominated, we can continue this discussion. -- Irpen 17:35, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
I wonder if the name of this article is appropriate. Consider the following results from Google Book Search:
From this it follows that Wikipedia certainly needs an article ( Prometheanism) about this apparently widely used concept in the humanities (244 Google Book Search hits is a lot). On the other hand, this article should be moved to a more descriptive name, like Polish interwar policies towards the minorites of the Soviet Union, for example. Balcer 19:01, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
I have also noticed that this term is relativly unpopular, however it is used by Snyder ( [1], [2]). although he uses the form ' Prometheanism'. I'd support move to that term, and further, creating a disambig there and moving this article to Prometheanism (Poland) (or politics?), as we need to discuss Prometheanism (ethics) (or philosophy, or humanities?), too.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 19:59, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
In that case, this is the article is biased as its only source is based on the views of the fierce proponent of certain political movement. -- Irpen 20:44, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
I would like to commend Grafikm for the analysis above. Generally, as a word of advise, trying to promote the politically controversial topics should only be done when articles are in tip top shape. -- Irpen 22:53, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
I also want to thank Grafikm for this list of suggestions. They seem very reasonable to me. I agree that a wider range of sources would be very useful. Are there any Russian or Soviet sources that could prove particularly relevant here? What kind of countermeasures did the Soviet intelligence services take against Prometheism? Balcer 23:01, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
That Holodomor is somehow related to Pilsudski's ideas seems like a brand new conspiracy theory (not the famine itself, which was indeed real and catastrophic.) OK, while whoever is interestes sort this all out, I assume we can call this nomination failed, can't we? -- Irpen 23:14, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
Hello, I was about to go through the article and then review it for the GA status. However, seeing that you are now about to act on very good suggestions on its improvement, then would you self-remove the GA nomination? Otherwise someone will have to fail the article. Just to add to Grafikm's suggestions, please take a look at the GA criteria as well. Good luck. RelHistBuff 11:02, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
While the article is getting worked on, I put up the fail template to move the article off the queue. I would also suggest that some research be done concerning the title. You may want to look at English sources to confirm if Prometheism is the accepted name in English. RelHistBuff 07:45, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
There is an interesting piece of art of Prometheus being "tortured" on Mount Caucasus in this article. Is there a source for Doré's supposed painting of this subject matter's taking place on Mt. Caucasus? Dr. Dan ( talk) 03:09, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi there. Is there any room left for this image in the article? This Prometheus monument in Tbilisi, Georgia, was inaugurated by the presidents Lech Kaczyński of Poland and Mikheil Saakashvili of Georgia on November 22, 2007. [3]. Thanks, -- Kober Talk 17:26, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
On 23 November, 2007, President Lech Kaczyński met President Micheil Saakashvili of Georgia. Both Presidents attended a ceremony of unveiling the Prometheus Monument. During the ceremony, President of the Republic of Poland was decorated with the Order of St. George. President Lech Kaczynski addressed the assembly with the following words: [...] You referred, Mr President, to Georgian officers in the Polish army. This gesture was not a coincidental one on the part of Marshal Pilsudski. After 1920, in Poland we had many officers from various armies but it was only Georgian officers and a few Azeri ones who could serve in our army on a par. This was an expression of our sense of affinity with you. This feeling of affinity is still alive and translates into excellent relations between us and into very good relations with Mr Micheil Saakashvili.
-- Kober Talk 06:41, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
[Saakashvili said:] Today our guest is the President of Poland, who has arrived to congratulate us on St. George’s day and the fourth anniversary of the Rose revolution, and it is not by chance that he attended the unveiling of the statue of Prometheus... A freedom league of the people, whose territories were occupied by the Bolsheviks, was founded by the Polish diplomats in Turkey in 20-30ies of the 20th century , by the leadership of the Marshal Plisutski, the league was called the "Prometheus league".
-- Kober Talk 06:48, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for the information and the photo. I've placed it at the chronologically appropriate location, where it nicely rounds out the article. I hope that meets with your approval. Feel free to add any further information as you deem fit. Nihil novi ( talk) 08:21, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
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The following is taken from a footnote to this article; I wonder whether it belongs in a main article or disambig page on Prometheism, with the title of this article made more specific:
"In ethics, "Prometheism" is an individual's voluntary subordination of self to the good of a larger social group or even all mankind. This altruistic concept relates to the myth of Prometheus, and denotes rebellion against divine decrees and natural forces, and self-sacrifice for the sake of the general good. In literature, the Promethean stance is exemplified by Kordian in Juliusz Słowacki's Romantic drama Kordian (1834); by Konrad in Part III of Adam Mickiewicz's Forefathers' Eve (Dziady); by Dr. Judym in Stefan Żeromski's Homeless People (Ludzie Bezdomni, 1899); by the Biblical Adam in Jan Kasprowicz's Dies irae (Latin for Day of Wrath); and by Dr. Rieux in Albert Camus's The Plague (1947)."
Good stuff. I imagine it would be tough to separate what constitutes an "-ism" and what is simply a literary exploration of the promethean theme. But as background, something of this may be important enough to pull out of the footnote as a supplement to the mythological allusion. Cynwolfe ( talk) 12:25, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Who is Henryk Suchanek-Suchecki? Corduroyalmond ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:19, 2 January 2011 (UTC).
I see a certain analogy to the US-American anticommunist post-war(wwII) program/action "Gladio". You too ?
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On 31 May 2024 a long second paragraph was added by User:Krispe13 to the Wikipedia " Prometheism" article lead:
"According to the information collected by American intelligence, "Prometheus" was created in Turkey by "various Russian and Caucasian peoples, mostly from those countries which had enjoyed independence from 1917-1923". Prometheus had to leave Turkey after Russian-Turkish treaty in 1921 and thus moved to Warsaw. French review "Promethee", published between 1927 and 1940 by Georgian journalist Giorgi Gvazava and edited by Ukrainian politician prof. Oleksander Shulhyn and his son Rostislav, was considered to be the "mouthpiece of the Prometheus organisation in Poland". Other important member of "Prometheus" included Azerbaijan politician Mahammad Amin Rasulzade, Kazakh politician Mirjaqyp Dulatuly (Mir Yakub) and Cafer Saydahmet (member of Crimean National Government) and professor of Ukrainian Free University– Roman Smal-Stocki. [1] [2] [3]"
It is not clear what relation, beyond a similarity of name, the subject matter of this added paragraph bears to the "political project initiated by Józef Piłsudski, a principal statesman of the Second Polish Republic from 1918 to 1935", which is the subject of the " Prometheism" article.
If the relation, if any, cannot be clarified, the added paragraph should be moved to a more appropriate article and deleted from the " Prometheism" article.
Nihil novi ( talk) 13:46, 31 May 2024 (UTC) Nihil novi ( talk) 13:46, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
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"Prometheus" was an international organization with participation of prominent politicians from various nation struggling under the soviet occupation - including those from Ukraine, Georgia, Azerbaijan, as well as from Finland, Latvia, Lithuania. But the source of Prometheism is first and foremost Piłsudski and not the national struggle of the nations? Undoubtedly, Poland played a very important role, particularly after 1926, but this was an international project.
This article is excellent but it cites one source for all its information. Is anyone else worried that this article might be plagiarized? Can someone please check? Comatose51 14:48, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Doesn't prometheism date back to romanticism in Poland and the works of Adam Mickiewicz - Polska Chrystusem narodów? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 13:15, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
See also pl:Prometeizm. Should we link those articles with interwiki, or are they refering to different kinds of (Polish...) prometheism?-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 02:11, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
Is it just me or does this article have a strong pro-prometheist POV? What did the Russians have to say about all this? -- Nikodemos 06:43, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
Is there a subpage to opine on GAC nomination? This is incredible that someone even dares to nominates such stuff for GA but more later when I know where to express myself on this. -- Irpen 03:44, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
Some comments on this article as a GA candidate (but I've not fully reviewed it):
Now, I won't fail this nomination, as that could be construed as bad faith on my part, but I seriously urge the writers to consider these points. Errabee 11:36, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
I would leave the copyright enforcement to the WP copyright police. But as for the rest, to say that the article is one-sided is to say nothing. The article is completely biased and should be moved to the title: Collection of Documents by Lt. Col. Edmund Charaszkiewicz or, if seeing diactrics is important to some editors, then Zbiór dokumentów ppłk. Edmunda Charaszkiewicza whould make an equally good title for the article which is about nothing but a particular author's one-sided view on the complex international issue. When the article is moved and renominated, we can continue this discussion. -- Irpen 17:35, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
I wonder if the name of this article is appropriate. Consider the following results from Google Book Search:
From this it follows that Wikipedia certainly needs an article ( Prometheanism) about this apparently widely used concept in the humanities (244 Google Book Search hits is a lot). On the other hand, this article should be moved to a more descriptive name, like Polish interwar policies towards the minorites of the Soviet Union, for example. Balcer 19:01, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
I have also noticed that this term is relativly unpopular, however it is used by Snyder ( [1], [2]). although he uses the form ' Prometheanism'. I'd support move to that term, and further, creating a disambig there and moving this article to Prometheanism (Poland) (or politics?), as we need to discuss Prometheanism (ethics) (or philosophy, or humanities?), too.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 19:59, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
In that case, this is the article is biased as its only source is based on the views of the fierce proponent of certain political movement. -- Irpen 20:44, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
I would like to commend Grafikm for the analysis above. Generally, as a word of advise, trying to promote the politically controversial topics should only be done when articles are in tip top shape. -- Irpen 22:53, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
I also want to thank Grafikm for this list of suggestions. They seem very reasonable to me. I agree that a wider range of sources would be very useful. Are there any Russian or Soviet sources that could prove particularly relevant here? What kind of countermeasures did the Soviet intelligence services take against Prometheism? Balcer 23:01, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
That Holodomor is somehow related to Pilsudski's ideas seems like a brand new conspiracy theory (not the famine itself, which was indeed real and catastrophic.) OK, while whoever is interestes sort this all out, I assume we can call this nomination failed, can't we? -- Irpen 23:14, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
Hello, I was about to go through the article and then review it for the GA status. However, seeing that you are now about to act on very good suggestions on its improvement, then would you self-remove the GA nomination? Otherwise someone will have to fail the article. Just to add to Grafikm's suggestions, please take a look at the GA criteria as well. Good luck. RelHistBuff 11:02, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
While the article is getting worked on, I put up the fail template to move the article off the queue. I would also suggest that some research be done concerning the title. You may want to look at English sources to confirm if Prometheism is the accepted name in English. RelHistBuff 07:45, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
There is an interesting piece of art of Prometheus being "tortured" on Mount Caucasus in this article. Is there a source for Doré's supposed painting of this subject matter's taking place on Mt. Caucasus? Dr. Dan ( talk) 03:09, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi there. Is there any room left for this image in the article? This Prometheus monument in Tbilisi, Georgia, was inaugurated by the presidents Lech Kaczyński of Poland and Mikheil Saakashvili of Georgia on November 22, 2007. [3]. Thanks, -- Kober Talk 17:26, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
On 23 November, 2007, President Lech Kaczyński met President Micheil Saakashvili of Georgia. Both Presidents attended a ceremony of unveiling the Prometheus Monument. During the ceremony, President of the Republic of Poland was decorated with the Order of St. George. President Lech Kaczynski addressed the assembly with the following words: [...] You referred, Mr President, to Georgian officers in the Polish army. This gesture was not a coincidental one on the part of Marshal Pilsudski. After 1920, in Poland we had many officers from various armies but it was only Georgian officers and a few Azeri ones who could serve in our army on a par. This was an expression of our sense of affinity with you. This feeling of affinity is still alive and translates into excellent relations between us and into very good relations with Mr Micheil Saakashvili.
-- Kober Talk 06:41, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
[Saakashvili said:] Today our guest is the President of Poland, who has arrived to congratulate us on St. George’s day and the fourth anniversary of the Rose revolution, and it is not by chance that he attended the unveiling of the statue of Prometheus... A freedom league of the people, whose territories were occupied by the Bolsheviks, was founded by the Polish diplomats in Turkey in 20-30ies of the 20th century , by the leadership of the Marshal Plisutski, the league was called the "Prometheus league".
-- Kober Talk 06:48, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for the information and the photo. I've placed it at the chronologically appropriate location, where it nicely rounds out the article. I hope that meets with your approval. Feel free to add any further information as you deem fit. Nihil novi ( talk) 08:21, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
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The following is taken from a footnote to this article; I wonder whether it belongs in a main article or disambig page on Prometheism, with the title of this article made more specific:
"In ethics, "Prometheism" is an individual's voluntary subordination of self to the good of a larger social group or even all mankind. This altruistic concept relates to the myth of Prometheus, and denotes rebellion against divine decrees and natural forces, and self-sacrifice for the sake of the general good. In literature, the Promethean stance is exemplified by Kordian in Juliusz Słowacki's Romantic drama Kordian (1834); by Konrad in Part III of Adam Mickiewicz's Forefathers' Eve (Dziady); by Dr. Judym in Stefan Żeromski's Homeless People (Ludzie Bezdomni, 1899); by the Biblical Adam in Jan Kasprowicz's Dies irae (Latin for Day of Wrath); and by Dr. Rieux in Albert Camus's The Plague (1947)."
Good stuff. I imagine it would be tough to separate what constitutes an "-ism" and what is simply a literary exploration of the promethean theme. But as background, something of this may be important enough to pull out of the footnote as a supplement to the mythological allusion. Cynwolfe ( talk) 12:25, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Who is Henryk Suchanek-Suchecki? Corduroyalmond ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:19, 2 January 2011 (UTC).
I see a certain analogy to the US-American anticommunist post-war(wwII) program/action "Gladio". You too ?
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On 31 May 2024 a long second paragraph was added by User:Krispe13 to the Wikipedia " Prometheism" article lead:
"According to the information collected by American intelligence, "Prometheus" was created in Turkey by "various Russian and Caucasian peoples, mostly from those countries which had enjoyed independence from 1917-1923". Prometheus had to leave Turkey after Russian-Turkish treaty in 1921 and thus moved to Warsaw. French review "Promethee", published between 1927 and 1940 by Georgian journalist Giorgi Gvazava and edited by Ukrainian politician prof. Oleksander Shulhyn and his son Rostislav, was considered to be the "mouthpiece of the Prometheus organisation in Poland". Other important member of "Prometheus" included Azerbaijan politician Mahammad Amin Rasulzade, Kazakh politician Mirjaqyp Dulatuly (Mir Yakub) and Cafer Saydahmet (member of Crimean National Government) and professor of Ukrainian Free University– Roman Smal-Stocki. [1] [2] [3]"
It is not clear what relation, beyond a similarity of name, the subject matter of this added paragraph bears to the "political project initiated by Józef Piłsudski, a principal statesman of the Second Polish Republic from 1918 to 1935", which is the subject of the " Prometheism" article.
If the relation, if any, cannot be clarified, the added paragraph should be moved to a more appropriate article and deleted from the " Prometheism" article.
Nihil novi ( talk) 13:46, 31 May 2024 (UTC) Nihil novi ( talk) 13:46, 31 May 2024 (UTC)