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The freedom of movement in
Republic of Poland of Polish nationals holding dual citizenship is or might be unlawfully restricted by Polish government.
US Department of State is warning polish nationals holding dual citizenship, that Polish government despite that Poland joined the Schengen System are obliged to use polish travel documents (polish passport and within the Schengen zone as an alternative Polish National ID (Dowód Osobisty), or they will NOT be allowed to leave the country of Poland. It should be reminded that Poland is still a Police State.
The US State department is warning those who can be claimed as polish citizens to be aware.
The latest such incident is recorded as of January 15, 2008.
Poland requires Polish citizens (including American citizens who are or can be claimed as Polish citizens), or those who can be suspected to be Polish citizens, to enter and depart Poland using a Polish passport.
Poland does not recognize (although it does not prohibit) dual nationality.
A person holding Polish and U.S. citizenship is deemed by Poland to be a Pole and subject to Polish law.
US Embassy in Poland will NOT assist polish citizens in case of not being allowed to leave Poland.
Despite that Poland violates the international treaties
Universal Declaration of Human Rights (1948) and the
International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (1966), Poland will unlawfully violate the right to free movement to Polish citizens holding dual citizenship.
"It should be reminded that Poland is still a Police State." - What a piece of crapp. Go check what does "police state" mean or even better, go life in one (russia, china, or cuba) and then come back and share your adventures with us, by re-edit your worthless comment.~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.206.61.201 ( talk) 01:35, 12 August 2008 (UTC) Yeah, fully agree. what a stupid words. Hundreds if not thousands of American citizens who are or can be claimed as Polish citizens enter and leave Poland without ANY problems! If they were let in, they would be let out of the country. Simple as that. I always thought if you're an American citizen - you can't hold any other citizenship/s... So what is this all about? You're either a Polish or American citizen. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.69.27.20 ( talk) 02:44, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
There is no official motto. Neither in the Constitiution, nor in any other document. Please do not insert it again and again. Poszwa 02:27, 14 September 2005 (UTC) Is the motto not "Honor i Ojczyzna" (Honor and Fatherland)? I have this on many of my flags, both military and civilian.-- Gpriest 15:07, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
I have cuted my changes until the end of discussion at polish wiki. MaLu 22:29, 23 September 2006 (UTC) Hi, I'm from Poland and I wrote "God, Honour, Homeland" as motto. It is unofficial but believe me that it's always used as national motto. Poland was always catholic country and more than 90% of people in Poland are catholics, so word "God" isn't incorrect. I've looked everywhere on the internet and I've found: Stand in your faith, For your freedom and ours, and Don't forget us. Are any of those right??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.94.246.160 ( talk) 23:40, 11 December 2007 (UTC) There is no national motto. "God, Honour, Homeland" is definitely NOT "always used as national motto", because the country is neutral and such a motto is not defined in any law. Some people tend to use this as a slogan - mostly policians when the elections are near, but please note that a similar slogan "tak mi dopomóż Bóg" (a translation would be "so help me God") was not used by the former president Aleksander Kwaśniewski, after he got elected. Someone who writes that "90% of Polish population are catholic" is not a good source of any information on Poland as this claim is made on the basis of church statistics (it is very hard to become an apostate in Poland). "For your freedom" is probably a poor translation of "for your and our freedom" ("za wolność naszą i waszą") and was used during the Napoleonic era (e.g. when the Polish troops were send to Haiti by the French, where they slaughtered the Haitan rebels, who fought for their own freedom). Agameofchess ( talk) 16:05, 28 February 2008 (UTC) The unofficial Polish motto is to be discussed here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unofficial_mottos_of_Poland Agameofchess ( talk) 21:46, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
I removed this part because it is of no use to non-Polish-speaking readers and was constantly attracting spam links. Poszwa 13:57, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
Poland gdp is now around 1150 bilion zloty(gov.stat.pl), Rate of exchange for dollar is actually 2,28-2,30, so polish real gdp in dollars is 504,3. Polsih gdp (ppp) is in 2007 around 46500złoty so in dollars around 20300.
Poland gdp is now around 1150 bilion zloty(gov.stat.pl), Rate of exchange for dollar is actually 2,28-2,30, so polish real gdp in dollars is 504,3. Polsih gdp (ppp) is in 2007 around 46500złoty so in dollars around 20300. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.133.188.196 ( talk) 10:53, 13 March 2008 (UTC) Is Poland's GDP really $512.9 billion?
is saying that poland was not controlled by jews but russia was controlled by jews for 2000 years very anti semitic it is probably vandalism Bouse23 11:26, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Poland wasn't the fourth allies by the number of troop. It was France. In 1945, they were around 600,000 polish regulars east and west and 300,000 resistants while they were 1,500,000 frenchs (air force, navy and army, the army numbering 1,250,000 men) all regulars and on western front (except "normandy-niemen group") , 412,000 of whom were in germany. They were around 2 millions polish soldiers during the entire war (including the resistants) while they were 5 millions of french.clems78 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.68.28.200 ( talk) 18:28, 18 July 2008 (UTC) fvbres
I cannot beleive how silly the recent reverts regarding the presidency have been. Kwasniewski will remain president until the end of the year when Kaczynski is sworn in. Kaczynski is the President(he sucks).It seems obvious that the solution to this problem is to insert a line into the table to reflect that Kaczynski is President (elect) - (despite the fact that some may not like it). I'm not good with tables but I'll try to change it. If it doesn't work perhaps somebody with a mature approach to editing might want to make the change. Adz 12:47, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
-- Myszodorn 15:40, 25 October 2005 (UTC) why the map of border change after WWII shows Gdansk as the teritory which was a part of Germany? I thought it had been free town? Yes it was. But it was German (no matter if someone likes it or not - that is the fact). Native inhabitants were speaking German, streets'names were in German, etc. Besides all, Gdansk always had more german than polish style.
Well, I don't understand why some vandalism that I thought I'd reverted still persisted. Odd. Maybe I did click the wrong link. It's possible. But this is the second time this has happened. Oh well. I'll give the Wikipedia software the benefit of the doubt once more. -- A bit iffy 21:59, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
Could someone add a better map for this country? This seems to me to be a problem for most country and city entries throughout Wikipedia, there are no decent maps. The "administrative map" given here shows very few cities and no detail. Location maps for cities within Poland often show just a silhouette of the country with a dot giving an approximate location of the city. These lacks of detail make it difficult for anyone to get an idea on geography. DJProFusion
I think the detailed list of 40+ cities is unnecessary and makes the article messy. Lets keep only the small table with the voivodships and their capitals and if someone wants to see a more complete list of cities, they can visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_Poland Any comments? MD Just to clarify. Kaliningrad Oblast is NOT an enclave, its half-enclave, because it have a sea connection to Russia. It's a detail but it's really two diffrent things.
Why are you using the Polish city forms in the English names, and reverting changes? I don't care for your blind Polish nationalism imposing things on the English language. Here is how I see it:
1, The English language lacks the special characters in use in the majority of those names.
2, The English language lacks the basic SOUNDS as in Szczecin, and we say it as 'Stettin'. English IS a Germanic language, you see.
3, I have never seen the Polish city forms used in English atlases, only German or English-modified German forms (IE, Dantsic).
So stop trying to impose your versions of city names on the English wiki.
Antman
20:26, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
List:
Szczecin is pronounced 'Stettin' in English, and most Atlases use 'Stettin'.
Gdansk USED to be used as 'Danzig' in English, but after the Cold War we began to use Gdansk (no accent).
Wroclaw, we can't really make those sounds, most people I know who come from there who aren't Polish (German-ancestry or people referencing it) say Breslau.
We also don't use accented characters because our keyboards cannot easily make them.
Antman 20:29, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
Well British Embassy in Warsaw and US Departament of State has different opinion about those names than You. I belive them.
Radomil
talk 21:28, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
Why are you even editing here; this is an English Wiki.
Antman
22:42, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
No arguments? Is it so painfull? Radomil talk 23:21, 11 December 2005 (UTC) I realise rationality may be misplaced here, but... Antman's argument that Standard German forms should be used, since English is a Germanic language, is so specious as to be frankly laughable; one point does not follow from the other. Suffice it to say that modern English doesn't even use the German forms for all German cities --- often it's anglicised French ( Cologne for Köln, Vienna for Wien, Munich for München). As for the cities we're actually dealing with, I think it would be fairest to say that there are no English words for these cities, because people without some personal connection to them or the country they are in (unlike, say, Paris, Rome or even Warsaw) are unlikely to have even heard of them, much less know what to call them. There are two Polish cities which have clear, well-known English names: Warsaw and Cracow (and even the latter you see written more and more as "Kraków" nowadays). As for the rest, people who don't know anybody from the region will go by local usage, however hard it may be to pronounce. Incidentally, English speakers are perfectly capable of making every sound in the word "Szczecin" on its own, they're just not used to the spelling or order. Oh, and any claims along the lines of "most atlases use..." will be ignored without citations. ~ J. K. 00:58, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
I believe that this issue is resolved by the Talk:Gdansk/Vote. In the modern, post 1945, Szczecin is Szczecin, not Settin.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 02:31, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Xx236 12:19, 13 January 2006 (UTC) The translations of Polish province names into English! Good God! Where did we get these aberrations from? Cuiavian-Pomerania? Never heard of it in all my life! Let's just stick to the Polish names (minus the accented letters). Whatever next? The Boat's Voivodship or the Holy Cross Voivodship! It's like the Polish translator's passion for turning 'ul. Mickiewicza' into 'Mickiewicz Street'. Like one translates 'Bahnhofstrasse' into 'Bahnhof Street' or 'Rue de Paix' into 'Peace Road'. Or indeed 'Oxford Circus' into 'Cyrk Oksfordski' or 'Marlborough Street' into 'ul. Marlborough'a' Michael Dembinski
Hi Piotr (the name is spelt 'Michael') I have signed up. I am keen to see the principle of reciprocity on Wikipedia. The Polish site does not attempt to translate British place names into Polish, other than London/Londyn. So why the attempts to translate Polish place names into English (other than Warszawa/Warsaw)? (BTW I find it amusing that the very Poles who get upset by Australians' pronounciation of their highest peak as "Mount Koskee-usko" are also vehement that the northernmost stop on the Warsaw metro be pronounced "Plats Veelsona" rather than "Łylsona") The names of Polish cities should remain as they are in Polish. Szczecin should remain as Szczecin. The term 'Stettin' is usually only found in older atlases and this is because of the Germanic connection - it should now be considered offensive to use the German name for this Polish city. The same obviously applies to Wrocław (Wroclaw, Breslau) and so on. I can, however, understand not using Polish characters because not all PCs are set up to show Central European characters but the correct Polish spelling should at least be put in brackets. Xania 21:08, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
I do not agree that capital city of Poland is Warsaw. Name should be use as it is in original language: Warszawa. Did you see italians call Rome a Rzym or Italy a Wlochy? If Antman cannot pronunounce Szczecin, it is his problem, we will not change name to make him happy. Jacek T. ( don't call me Jack, Altman ) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.59.117.20 ( talk) 12:31, 22 October 2007 (UTC) World Book Encyclopedia & Rand McNally road atlas use: Warsaw & Krakow and all other cities in Polish form, however sometimes without special letters: Gdansk instead of Gdansk. However the fact that German names are considered offensive in Poland is just not true. Sure, a maybe loud but very minor right wing minority might find them offensive, but cities use them in promotional material. Szczecin uses Stettin and Wrocław uses Breslau, but in GERMAN and not ENGLISH language publications. BTW: Warsaw's city city information boards (the green stuff with theater posters etc.) actually has written: Warszawa - Warsaw - Warschau - Varsovie - Varsovia and then in cyrylic script, so the city doesn't find any name offensive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.205.150.49 ( talk) 21:50, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
"The citizens of Poland took pride in their ancient freedoms and parliamentary system, although the Szlachta monopolised most of the benefits. Since that time Poles have regarded freedom as their most important value. Poles often call themselves the nation of the free people." Authors have overlooked that the most part of Poles since the middle of the fourteenth century were serfs. The serfdom was severe. Landowners gained almost unlimited ownership over serfs. The Polish expansion on the East, in ancient russian princedoms, carried the serfdom to the Ukrainians and Belorussians Ben-Velvel 13:41, 5 January 2006 (UTC) read a bit before making comments. serfdom developed in second half odf XV and the begining of XVI century, while the countries (Poland and Lithuania) were bound already. Ukraininas and Belorussians were governed from Vilinus at that time.
Xx236 12:25, 13 January 2006 (UTC) "went under rule of Poland and Lithuania and received the serfdom from Poland." Lithuania used to have its laws. When did Lithuania accept Polish laws regarding peasants? What was the name of the law? Xx236 13:54, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Hello. I new user has just created Polish National Government. I cannot immediately verify whether or not the page is factual or has any merit. I notice that this new user has already been warned once today about alleged vandalism to a user page. I hope that someone here will check out the page. Please let me know if it should be deleted. Thank you, Johntex\ talk 22:06, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
read a bit before making comments. serfdom developed in the begining of XVI century, while the countries were bound already.
Was Mieszko I only a prince his whole life or did he become a king later? Informationguy
There is the text History of Poland. Why to keep an another text, containing errors - Russia (should be Rus or Halich) or Kazimierz Wielki. Xx236 12:22, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
It's very hard to manage two different coherent articles. Probably the only way is to make the article "History" the best possible and to write its shorter version for "Poland". Corrections make a text different but I'm not sure if better. Xx236 12:00, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Would it be possible to replace the pictures of Katowice with some nicer ones? The ones that are up now (all three of them!) really don't do the city any justice! MD 10:33, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
I put up a picture of Torun and changed the picture of Katowice with the reflection in the window (!) for a nicer one of the Spodek but someone reverted that and posted the old ugly pictures again! :( Come on: if you really want to include pictures of Katowice, why not some nicer ones? -- MD 12:16, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
On a related sidenote, Portal:Poland/New_article_announcements#Images contains info on some Poland-related images which will soon be deleted, becaue uplodars didn't use image copyright tags or didn't link the images from any articles.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 00:12, 21 January 2006 (UTC) This picture situation is really getting out of hand. Is there any way to stop this nonsense, agree on a series of HIGH QUALITY NICE PICTURES and prevent users like the one that keeps putting up the picture with the reflection from sabotaging our article? -- MD 13:22, 21 January 2006 (UTC) I'm a bit confused with the picture of the Third Reich flag put as a Polish flag... Is it intended or just vandalism? -- Programming Hamster 18:56, 13 March 2006 (UTC) Apparently something has to be done about Gagabrain because he put that 3rd reich flag here twice (just checked a few earlier revisions) - Programming Hamster 18:13, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
Any idea on how to handle these pictures ? This is not a picture gallery. The photos should be representative for the country. I don't think we need any photo from Katowice in this article, and definitely not 3 of them. Also it would be good to pay attention to the quality of the photos. -- Lysy talk 19:09, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
I have nothing against Katowice but I'm not quite sure if we need a photo of every major Polish city here. First let's think how many and what kind of pictures do we want to illustrate the article. I think something like 20 images would be fine for now, including maps, drawings etc. That would leave us more or less 15 photos. What should there be ? Sure some major cities both historic sights and modern centres, possibly some city landscape pictures featuring landmarks rather than focusing on individual objects. Then some countryside pictures, different landscapes, mountains, seaside, lakes, forests. A typical village architecture. Do not foget about the nature, which is one of the major assets of Poland. Do you agree ? Any ideas ? -- Lysy talk 13:18, 21 January 2006 (UTC) I think if there is no agreement which picture of Katowice to choose, I'd prefer having none. I think Spodek is acceptable but is not particularly nice and the blue one with the reflection is horrible. Poszwa 19:27, 21 January 2006 (UTC) The infamous pictures are back again!! Is there a way of blocking the IP of the person responsible for this vandalism?! -- MD 14:06, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
Dobra. Słuchajcie. Obserwując ostatnio artykuł o Polsce można wywnioskować tylko jedno. Najpierw było mało zdjęć. Później dołożone zostały 3 zdjęcia Katowic: jedno w kategorii o miastach (gdzie są zdjęcia rynku największych miast) i pozostałe 2 zdjęcia z wieżowcami w kategorii o ekonomii (obok zdjęć wieżowców w Warszawie). Później się nagle wszyscy obudzili i zaczeli tkać tam swoje zdjęcia kasując poprzednie!!! Trzeba pójść na ugodę. Sprawa jest następująca. Zdjęcie rynku w Katowicach może zostać tak jak inne zdjęcia rynku innych największych polskich miast. Jeśli chodzi o dział ekonomia to powinien znaleźć się tak zdjęcie Spodka. Te drugie zdjęcie Katowic (wieżowce nocą) można wycofać z artykułu (jeśli chcecie). I teraz druga sprawa. Czy warto zostawiać zdjęcia jakiś wioch? Przecież to wstyd dla Polski. Polska będzie się kojarzyła z wioskami, a nie z cywilizowaną Europą. Zastanówcie się nad tym. I jeszcze dajcie tylko zdjęcie bociana... do artykułu o Polsce. Hehehe. Pozdrawiam -- LUCPOL 13:21, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
Well, I didn't call him "a troll", I only wanted to take greater attention on him from our Polish sub-community. One user that push his POV too hard, using for this purpose sock-puppets can destroy this delicate balance between different POV on Cetral Europe related articles. As for length of "picture block" - it's proportions with text depends on display resolution of Your monitor... Radomil talk 23:35, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
So let's try to make list of those 15 photos: Radomil talk 19:59, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
I'd suggest adding Łódź pic, if we want to have most major cities covered. Kraków is the most famous Polish city abroad, probably as famous as Warsaw, so I'd suggest 2 pics of it (especially if we want to pics of Wawa). In the case of Wawa, I'd suggest one of the pics to show the 'modern' city - the curren selection of castle+old town would be more suitable for Cracow, not our capital. Finally, on a related note: it's nice to see some activity here, and photos contribs are always welcome - please remember to use image copyright tags and put the image into Category:Images of Poland (or Category:Poland on commons), or into more specific city/region related subcategories.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 01:45, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
Well, IMO GOP it is important part of Poland (mayby not from Tourstiv POV, but it is). Perhaps e should put Łódź picture in place of one of "Village photos"? Radomil talk 23:38, 23 January 2006 (UTC) I think you should reconsider putting a photo (Lanckorona, I suggest very kindly :D). Poland is not only big cities but also towns and villages. As long as I know in villages live approximately 40% of the population in RP... Culture of the countryside seem to be much more absorbing than cosmopolitic cities like ugly and dirty (except the city centre) Berlin and its U-bahn stations which... smell. Warsaw has similar problem. Some People just don't like big cities and are passionate about regional culture with its roots in the countryside.
I believe that the Polish word "uczony" cannot be translated as "scientist", because "science" means "nauki scisłe". Xx236 11:27, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
How about a list of Polish Americans, I would like to include my Wife randazzo562-28-06
"and the government had large credits" - does it sound OK? I mean, it's probably supposed to mean that the Gierek's government took large loans (which they did). "Credit" is ambiguous IMHO but I'd rather some native speaker spoke out. Zbihniew 23:01, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
why it is not mentioned that Reymont has got Nobel prize? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.98.19.137 ( talk) 20:52, 14 March 2007
Reported by the BBC, the church has abused their power. Churches are constantly being built, and priest buy luxury cars, while Poland suffers extreme poverty. THe Government has recently been criticized by the E.U. for their extremist religious views.
Separation of Church and state The Polish government is a fundamentally catholic. The church has large say in affairs within the nation. The government forces children from as early as kindergarten ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/45622.stm) (as signed with the Vatican) to have Christian classes (in Public, state funded schools). But sectarianism is not the only issue.
Corrupt Church The Polish church has been many time criticized corruption (although some can be jailed for this, as under polish law a person who criticizes the government can be jailed, and as the Polish church holds a tight grip on government, a person who criticizes the church may be jailed). Many Poles probably know a lot of the corruption allegations. One is that the church does not have to pay VAT (taxes). In the early 90s the church would purchase large trucks of beer, and other suppliers for large events and then sell them to make large profits. The church has also been criticized for its extravagance. In a nation were the unemployment/poverty I very large, priest/bishops buy themselves expensive cars, build many church, and build their living quarters with supplies such as marble. The church has also been involved with many enterprises and profiting from the no tax. ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/363004.stm).
There is much speculation that the Polish church is trying to become a political power, rather than a religious institution.
Conservatism In 2000, ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/692586.stm) the polish parliament wanted to implement a bill that banned all pornography (even soft core), with penalties of jail term up to two years (which would be the toughest law in Europe). Kwasniewski, President at the time, did not ratify it. The church is highly vocal on issues such as abortion, same-sex marriage. They have often persuaded the public to vote against candidates that support these issues ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3631707.stm). The church has criticized the EU for not allowing “God” to be mentioned in the constitution, having un-Christian morals, and not allowing the church to play a larger role in European affairs. Abortion laws in Poland are the strictest of any nation in [Europe?]. There has been a recent case where a women, that has three children already, would go blind if the abortion is not allowed. The government has not allowed her to go ahead with the abortion. This has sparked much criticism in the EU. The women receives state welfare, and is disabled as well. She would not be capable of supporting the next child as she is single ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4691192.stm). The nation has seen a rise in radicalism as well ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1565094.stm), both in government and in the public. With the party “league of Christian families”, there have been many “skin head” groups that have risen.
First of all, the goverment is not responsible for everything that is happening in Poland. Nor is the Church. (Yes, there are some municipal authorities, NGOs, political parties, pressure groups, media, trade unions, and even individuals that exist in Poland). Second, The Church is not a monolith. There are some priests that support Radio Maryja, but many other oppose it (including the primat and many bishops). You can be a catholic and disagree with RM policies. There is a no "rise in skinhead groups". This is plain rubbish. The "Ligue of Polish Families" (which - BTW - is nationalistic, but quite moderately) support in the poles is currently at about 2 or 3%. The only person sentenced for "offending religious feelings" was Dorota Nieznalska. She was sentenced to 6 months of community work (under appeal). The only person sentenced fot "offending a foreign head of state" was Jerzy Urban. He was sentenced to pay a fine. The Church does have some tax privileges - as it does in many other states - including the US. Some priests in the 1990s (not "The Church") have in fact discouraged their congregations of voting for certain candidates . But the effect was completly the opposite. So they ceased doing so. The abortion laws in Poland are not "the strictest" that you can imagine. In the case of Alicja Tysiac (the woman that was supposed to go blind unless she had an abortion - actually it did not happened) it was her doctor (not "the goverment") that had not allowed an abortion. P.S. The above quotations from the BBC are "a little" outdated. Furthermore, BBC is vary poorly informed about polish politics. -- Barry Kent 00:00, 21 April 2006 (UTC) Radio Maryja This radio station (which has a TV program as well) has come across much critics, even sometimes from the catholic church. It is blamed for fueling anti-Semitism, and xenophobic anger ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2758795.stm). The station has approximately 6 million listeners in Poland alone. -- GPRIEST -- Gpriest 14:56, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
The correct territory of Poland: 322575 km²
include:
The total area of the country according to the administrative division amounts to 312683 km² and includes a land area (including inland waters) of 311889 km² as well as a part of internal sea waters — 794 km², i.e.: Wisła Bay, including ports, Szczecin Bay, including: Lake Nowowarpieńskie, Lake Wicko Wielkie, Kamieński Bay and ports as well as Gulf of
Gdańsk ports and border ports.
Source:
CONCISE STATISTICAL YEARBOOK OF POLAND 2006
Aotearoa from Poland
22:01, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
According to Encyclopedia Britannica the total area of Polnad is 312,685 sq km => Link: [4]
According to Encyclopedia Britannica the total area of Polnad is 312,685 sq km => Link: [5] I agree with someone who posted the area of 312685 sq km earlier today. I went to see both sources mentioned by you User:Aotearoa and User talk:Aotearoa from Poland and User:Aotearoa from Poland as well as the TABLICE by Central Statistical Office of Poland (see references; Page 1)) and I have to conclude that we should consider the land are of Poland as 312685 sq km! Did you ever see any country's area posted in any media that would include external sea or ocean area! Please take a look around the internet and you will never see such things posted anywhere! Even though the area of Poland including the external sea is 322575 sq km, the land area including inland sea area in only 312685 sq km and this number should be posted to not confuse other users! Please come to Talk:Poland section to discuss this further. Once again, please do not confuse readers with your version of information (322575 sq km). The Central Statistical Office posted the total land area of POLAND on many of their documents as 312685 sq km. So, please stop damaging my work! Do not change the land area with your info! The area posted now, 312685 sq km, is the correct total land area referenced here by 3 sources and there are many more sources to support this fact out there! Thanks! -- Thomaspca 20:06, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
PAX. Aotearoa is definitely right - we must know what we want. And what is enwiki standard for this? Total areas are included, covering land and inland water bodies (lakes, reservoirs, rivers). Marine internal waters, territorial waters and Exclusive Economic Zones are not included. See List of countries and outlying territories by total area, the areas are (and should be kept) consistent with this article. So the correct value here is 311889+794=312683. We may add info about teritorial waters somewhere with an explicit explanation, but it is evident that the "oficial area" should be set to 312683. -- Beaumont (@) 12:01, 12 December 2006 (UTC) BTW, the 312685 standard has been accepted in other ecyclopedias: Britannica [6] or Polish PWN [7] (rounded). -- Beaumont (@) 12:35, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
No, this is not just a statistical number. There are two issues to consider.
I hope this clearly justifies the number (and some corrections that I make to the article). Best regards, -- Beaumont (@) 13:05, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
According to Encyclopedia Britannica the total area of Polnad is 312,685 sq km => Link: [8] It looks like this can of worms has been reopened, just read that Poland's area will now expand as a result of the Czech Republic returning some land because of border adjustment. [9] Good luck to anybody attempting to figure out what the area is now. JRWalko 00:42, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Is not the agricultural sector just 10% of the economy (and thus a problem)? This should be noted in the sentence about agriculture. Also, the figures from this article might be useful: http://www.ce-review.org/01/19/cave19.html -- Vegalabs 02:14, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
Due to continual vandalization, effective December 7, 2007, " Poland" has been granted semi-protection for 1 month. Also, a user has been blocked. Nihil novi ( talk) 15:38, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
I just wanted to let everyone know that there exists a conversion template: Template:Unit sqkm for all those ugly-looking X km² (Y sq mi) mentions that everyone seems to be so fond of. Here's the basic usage:
{{unit sqkm|SQUARE KILOMETERS|PRECISION}}
For example: {{unit sqkm|400|2}} produces:
400 square kilometres (154.44 sq mi)
You can also have it link to square kilometre and square mile; {{unit sqkm|4000|0|lk=on}} produces:
400 square kilometres (154.44 sq mi)
See also: Template:Unit m (for meter <=> foot) → ɧʒЖχ ( ГДĽК • КОИГЯІВ) 08:01, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
Poland’s territory extends across the ocean and five geographical regions. This has been in for days and I can't fix it. If you do semi-protection, you must proof read the whole thing.
I just came across this article by accident, but I think the remark about some statistics office considering Poland to be part of Eastern Europe - it's in the very first intro sentence - makes this sentence awkward to read. Plus it does not seem relevant at all. Even if that statistics offfice happens to be part of the UN, it does not give any indication that it's categorization is any more relevant or binding than the code number (616) it assigns to Poland. I wanted to delete the remark straight away, but then I read the comment that asked me to discuss the matter first. Yaan ( talk) 12:07, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
According to CIA Factbook and IMF Poland has never reached 20 000 per capita GDP (PPP). I wonder how did it make up from 16 700 to 20 080? Strange a bit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.61.120.154 ( talk) 11:59, 12 January 2008 (UTC) If you ask me, it is possible. Most probably it depends on the money exchange rate thus with low USD/PLN rate it would give you more dollars. Simple? As of today, the exchange rate is in the region of 3 PLN and the value of GDP (PPP) will go down.--JEDRZEJ POLAND 05:29, 27 October 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by JEDRZEJ GDANSK ( talk • contribs)
I grouped the "Demographics" and "Ethnicity and Religion" sections together, since it made little sense for them to be apart, and reworded some sentences in them. But I did not know what to do with the two conflicting statistics on the percentage of ethnic Polish people in Poland - one sentence claims that it is 96.74%, while another claims that it is 99.3%. I presume these come from separate censuses, but it's not clear which one is the more current. Whichever one it is, that one should be retained and the other one deleted. Funnyhat ( talk) 07:24, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
I know this will get me in trouble with some of our numerous Polish friends, but in English it sounds very odd to say "the first Polish state was baptized in 966." In English, 'to baptize' always refers to an individual human being, never to a country. In English, it sounds almost comical — as if an entire country could step up to the baptismal font or down into the river. Okay, so there's an English figure of speech, "baptism of fire," referring to an entity's first exposure to action — such a a military unit's first experience with combat. That doesn't have any bearing on the observation above. Generally historical articles say something like, "XXX was first mentioned in the historical record in ...," or "The origin of XXX is thought to date from ...." Sca ( talk) 20:47, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Sca ( talk) 21:10, 4 February 2008 (UTC) See also: baptism of Poland -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 21:19, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Photos are awful. Why nobody put here Krakow, Gdansk, Zamosc, Torun... or Morskie Oko pictures? Wisents and white storks are strictly boring and symblise nothing. Compare it to i.e. Slovakia page. IlluminatiX ( talk) 22:01, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm resuming with the inclusion of independent Kosovo in the maps of the countries that have recgonised it. Bardhylius ( talk) 14:01, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
Fairly self-explanatory, but I'll give my justification: the President of Poland actually has some power (including a meaningful if sparingly-used veto), so would it be accurate to characterize Poland as a parliamentary as opposed to semi-presidential republic? He can actually do things (not many, but some) when the Sejm is in session/outside of a state of emergency, making him much more powerful than the presidents of more classical parliamentary republics like the president of Germany and the president of India, neither of whom can do ANYTHING at all. Lockesdonkey ( talk) 23:41, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
This would be standard ! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.179.158.83 ( talk) 17:59, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
Please, someone, write an article for Polish People's Army. A number of our articles link to it, so it must be of some importance, but as of now it contains nothing but links to two people's names who were once in it. -- Xyzzyplugh ( talk) 08:53, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
The Commonwealth was at its "greatest extent" only for 10 years of history, between the Truce of Deulino (1619) and the Truce of Altmark (1629). We should clearly mark the external border of the Commonwealth with a thick red or black line, and put "1619-1629" in the map's caption on the Poland page. During this 1619-1629 time the Courlanders' colonization of Tobago and Gambia hadn't yet begun, so that insert box for colonies is slightly misleading unless we add some kind of footnote.
Give your support or opposition at the Central Europe talk page, since we are looking for a single definition for it. It's very important. ⇨ EconomistBR ⇦ Talk 17:09, 23 April 2008 (UTC) Thank you all that participated and gave their opinion on Proposal II. Proposal II was approved, 13 editors supported it and 5 editors opposed it. Proposal II is now in effect and it redefined Central Europe. ⇨ EconomistBR ⇦ Talk 23:42, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I'm trying to compile a list of notable references to support a Wikipedia article concerning a video editor. Two I have are in Polish - if there are any Polish speakers that could help by reading the articles this would be appreciated. The articles are here: Clesh#References If you believe from the article the video editor is notable please leave some form of comment here: AfD Many thanks, mk ( talk) 20:37, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Why do Poles drive around in the daytime with their headlights on? Intelligent Mr Toad ( talk) 19:59, 14 May 2008 (UTC) (currently in Gdansk)
Someone should correct the figures to reflect the data on the IMF web page. 217.98.25.107 ( talk) 04:48, 25 May 2008 (UTC) I agree. The correct GDP and nominal GDP per capita data is here GDP(PPP) per capita Magnus Dux ( talk) 16:05, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
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The picture comes probably from Germany. Xx236 ( talk) 09:23, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
There is no Commons for Poland but for Polska. Xx236 ( talk) 14:53, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
Telecommunication and IT Jest: the coverage mobile cellular is over 1000 users per 1000 people (2007) Telephones—mobile cellular: 38.7 million (Onet.pl & GUS Report, 2007) Powinno byc: the coverage mobile cellular is over 1090 users per 1000 people (2008) Telephones—mobile cellular: 42 million (Onet.pl & GUS Report, 2008) zrodlo: http://biznes.onet.pl/0,1786769,wiadomosci.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.59.140.15 ( talk) 04:51, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
"About 88% of the population belongs to the Roman Catholic Church, with 58% as practising Catholics according to 2005 survey by the Centre for Public Opinion Research.[5]" According to "information portal of Ministry of Foreigns Affairs of the Republic of Poland" "The biggest numbers belong to the Catholic Church, approximately 95% of the religious segment of Polish society." http://www.poland.gov.pl/?document=397 -- Krzyzowiec ( talk) 02:33, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
Some other statistics could be also helpful: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_literacy_rate, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_unemployment_rate —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jxa ( talk • contribs) 21:39, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Medial wage in Warsaw is about 3500 zlotychs, not 4600! The highest medial wages in Poland are in Katowice (3950 PLN), Gdansk (3900 PLN) and in Warsaw (3500). polacken ( talk) 13:03, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
I'm confused about the numbers in the Ethnicity and Religion section. I can't make out what percent of the population is Catholic. The Religion in Poland article doesn't help. It has different numbers. -- Elliskev 00:20, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
I would suggest that there is a great difference between being a Catholic and Practising Catholic. The 89% referes to those who would describe themselves as being Catholic. Practising Catholics, (Those attending church regularly), will vary region to region I would expect that in country area's over 50% would be possible, whilst in Metropolitan connurbations less that 25% would be the norm. Whilst the Polish people would describe themselves as Catholic, in my 15 years of living in Poland I would estimate that 80% are critical of the church. Have a look as [ http://www.about-poland.com for further information. Crayden ( talk) 05:34, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
i arent doing this homework got that —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.21.137.79 ( talk) 19:26, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
Sentence is wrong: "and emerged several years later as a socialist republic within the Eastern Bloc under strong Soviet influence." Poland wasn't socialist republic, it was independend country (formally), but within the Eastern Bloc under strong Soviet influence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.255.109.132 ( talk) 03:12, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
please remove idiotic map showing poland in the lands of Prussia, Jotuva and Pamare, while all history sources shows that you had a war with all those lands and Prussia was till Vistula...DO NOT FAKE STUPIDS YOUR OWN HISTIRY, THOSE LAND WILL BE GIVEN BACK TO ETHNIC PEOPLE AND NOT TO NAZZI DEGENERATES POLES —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.151.172.183 ( talk) 03:19, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
Why would you call Poles "Nazzi degenerates", considering Nazi in the WWII context refers to Germans? Please don't change history, own up to what happened! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.202.241.195 ( talk) 05:18, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
Like the unanswered comment in one of the above states, Why does the map of post-WW2 Polish land annexations have a description in the text saying that all the dark areas were German? Danzig was a Free City State based upon the 1919 Treaty of Versailles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.14.217.231 ( talk) 10:45, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
There is Eastern Europe mentioned in the Postwar Communist Poland paragraph. Due to the fact, that Poland is a part of Central, not Eastern Europe (mentioned also in the very beginning of this article - "Poland [ˈpoʊlənd] (help·info) (Polish: Polska), officially the Republic of Poland (Rzeczpospolita Polska), is a country in Central Europe.") I suggest that the link called "collapse of communism across Eastern Europe" should be re-written to "collapse of communism across Central Europe" -- Finrod Felagund, 2008-10-12 00:12 CEST —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.79.35.19 ( talk)
Poland is either Eastern or Central Europe depending on two systems of divison. The CIA Factbook uses Centrul Europe for instance, however the UN uses Eastern Europe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.205.150.49 ( talk) 21:53, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
UN definition is an outdated post-cold-war relict and not very useful any more. I think we should revert it back to Central Europe to make it consistent with other articles on Wikipedia such as "Hungary", "Germany" or "Austria" an which are also described as countries in Central Europe (not Western or Eastern Europe as it is in UN definition). Now it is a mess, some articles are using UN definition and the others not.
Is Tarnow the warmest city whole year? I would suggest Slubice or Legnica —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.105.131.120 ( talk) 11:40, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
Tarnów isn't the warmest city whole year. Average temperature in Tarnów is 9.0°C, but in Wrocław, Legnica and Słubice 9,1°C! [10]. I think that you should change it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.128.107.244 ( talk) 16:27, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
The Polish climate is described inaccurate: nowhere in Poland is above 0 degrees Celsius. The Northwestern part of Poland with the Towns Swnoucie and Stettin the average Januaru temperrature is from - 1 degree Celsius to minus 3 degrees Celsius. Check international statistics. The whoole part with the warmest city is irrelevant: not true and it tries to convey a pretty picture of a bleak Polish reality. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.140.72.238 ( talk) 14:19, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
I can't understand why there is no informations about polish uprisings in main article. I think that it should be mention at least. (1794, 1830, 1863 and 1944 at least). I am not able to write it in english but I know it is fundamental(!). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.24.130.36 ( talk) 22:20, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
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I was recently browsing the Poland wiki page to find out information about it's Growth Rate. When I saw it, I investigated further, by going onto the HDI page, and then selecting the 2008 section. [1] I found that Poland was now 39th, not,as was stated in the article,37th. I realise it says 2005 in the article, but if more recent information is available, why is it not displayed on the article? I would edit the article myself, but it is as yet protected, so I cannot. 20:31, 24 January 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.11.8.17 ( talk)
Why don't you change the data of Polish GDP per capita (PPP) ? Today it's 17,560 USD and the total is 669,0 bln USD —Preceding unsigned comment added by Msqe ( talk • contribs) 13:05, 2 February 2009 (UTC) https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/pl.html#Econ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.156.122.3 ( talk) 09:49, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
Yet again nominal GDP per capita is artificially uplifted according to the IMF World Economic Outlook, the source mentioned in the footnote, which is 14.980 not 16800 or something. As i can't edit this article due it is editing-protected, could anyone do this and follow the source as it should fe followed without distorting data? Thank you in advance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.61.59.236 ( talk) 13:33, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
Category:Poland is itself a category within Category:Countries bordering the Baltic Sea. — Robert Greer ( talk) 19:03, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
I would suggest reverting changes from user Kirk diamond, he uses articles just to promote himself (Dariusz Zawislak). There is a huge crosswiki spam from him:
http://toolserver.org/~luxo/contributions/contributions.php?user=Kirk+diamond&lang=
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Spock lone wolf (
talk) 14:30, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
i was born in poland szymon —Preceding
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Please change the geographical map of Poland; it should be in one language only. Cities should be in Polish, the way they are recognized around the world. English translations, or original names for each city can be found on city's own wikipedia page. 76.202.241.195 ( talk) 05:28, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
Poland A and B is a random article that I stumbled upon. I added a Wikipedia Project Poland template, but I am unsure whether this article is important, or not, and whether the information might be more appropriate elsewhere rather than a separate article. Can someone who knows more about Poland please follow up? -- DThomsen8 ( talk) 16:10, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
In 1629 Poland legally conceded Livonia in the Swedish-Polish Truce of Altmark. The Swedes had already occupied Livonia in 1625. So its better to change the date on the map to 1620. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.30.85.45 ( talk) 16:30, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
What is an efficient climate? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.144.32.165 ( talk) 06:38, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
The spelling of the soup listed in the cuisine section from the Russian version "borscht" which is generally served cold should be changed to the more typically Polish "barszcz" which is served hot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chrismachine ( talk • contribs) 19:37, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
The flag is of the old, communist 2nd Republic of Poland. The 3rd (or simply, Republic) of Poland has the coat of Arms on it, as seen: [11]
The official polish flag DOES NOT have a coat of arms on it. This version is only used by football fans and the like, never by official authorities. Also, communist Poland was not the 2nd Republic, the 2nd Republic lasted between 1918 and 1939 and was replaced by the People's Republic of Poland.
217.113.236.86 ( talk) 20:53, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
The photograph and information re Słowiński National Park should probably be under "The Coast" rather than "The Desert" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.212.6.92 ( talk) 18:31, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
Could somebody provide some reference claiming that Poland is a Slavic country? And what defines Slavic country? I can agree that Polish is a part of Western Slavic languages and that the Polish nation has a strong Slavic component (but also Teutonic and Jewish) but there is no such thing like a political or cultural organization which groups "Slavic countries". A country is a political organization which includes many, also non-Slavic ethnic groups so I think the category, especially when compared to the other ones (e.g. "European Union member states") is redundant, imprecise and not-encyclopedic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mb nl ( talk • contribs) 09:24, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
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The freedom of movement in
Republic of Poland of Polish nationals holding dual citizenship is or might be unlawfully restricted by Polish government.
US Department of State is warning polish nationals holding dual citizenship, that Polish government despite that Poland joined the Schengen System are obliged to use polish travel documents (polish passport and within the Schengen zone as an alternative Polish National ID (Dowód Osobisty), or they will NOT be allowed to leave the country of Poland. It should be reminded that Poland is still a Police State.
The US State department is warning those who can be claimed as polish citizens to be aware.
The latest such incident is recorded as of January 15, 2008.
Poland requires Polish citizens (including American citizens who are or can be claimed as Polish citizens), or those who can be suspected to be Polish citizens, to enter and depart Poland using a Polish passport.
Poland does not recognize (although it does not prohibit) dual nationality.
A person holding Polish and U.S. citizenship is deemed by Poland to be a Pole and subject to Polish law.
US Embassy in Poland will NOT assist polish citizens in case of not being allowed to leave Poland.
Despite that Poland violates the international treaties
Universal Declaration of Human Rights (1948) and the
International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (1966), Poland will unlawfully violate the right to free movement to Polish citizens holding dual citizenship.
"It should be reminded that Poland is still a Police State." - What a piece of crapp. Go check what does "police state" mean or even better, go life in one (russia, china, or cuba) and then come back and share your adventures with us, by re-edit your worthless comment.~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.206.61.201 ( talk) 01:35, 12 August 2008 (UTC) Yeah, fully agree. what a stupid words. Hundreds if not thousands of American citizens who are or can be claimed as Polish citizens enter and leave Poland without ANY problems! If they were let in, they would be let out of the country. Simple as that. I always thought if you're an American citizen - you can't hold any other citizenship/s... So what is this all about? You're either a Polish or American citizen. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.69.27.20 ( talk) 02:44, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
There is no official motto. Neither in the Constitiution, nor in any other document. Please do not insert it again and again. Poszwa 02:27, 14 September 2005 (UTC) Is the motto not "Honor i Ojczyzna" (Honor and Fatherland)? I have this on many of my flags, both military and civilian.-- Gpriest 15:07, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
I have cuted my changes until the end of discussion at polish wiki. MaLu 22:29, 23 September 2006 (UTC) Hi, I'm from Poland and I wrote "God, Honour, Homeland" as motto. It is unofficial but believe me that it's always used as national motto. Poland was always catholic country and more than 90% of people in Poland are catholics, so word "God" isn't incorrect. I've looked everywhere on the internet and I've found: Stand in your faith, For your freedom and ours, and Don't forget us. Are any of those right??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.94.246.160 ( talk) 23:40, 11 December 2007 (UTC) There is no national motto. "God, Honour, Homeland" is definitely NOT "always used as national motto", because the country is neutral and such a motto is not defined in any law. Some people tend to use this as a slogan - mostly policians when the elections are near, but please note that a similar slogan "tak mi dopomóż Bóg" (a translation would be "so help me God") was not used by the former president Aleksander Kwaśniewski, after he got elected. Someone who writes that "90% of Polish population are catholic" is not a good source of any information on Poland as this claim is made on the basis of church statistics (it is very hard to become an apostate in Poland). "For your freedom" is probably a poor translation of "for your and our freedom" ("za wolność naszą i waszą") and was used during the Napoleonic era (e.g. when the Polish troops were send to Haiti by the French, where they slaughtered the Haitan rebels, who fought for their own freedom). Agameofchess ( talk) 16:05, 28 February 2008 (UTC) The unofficial Polish motto is to be discussed here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unofficial_mottos_of_Poland Agameofchess ( talk) 21:46, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
I removed this part because it is of no use to non-Polish-speaking readers and was constantly attracting spam links. Poszwa 13:57, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
Poland gdp is now around 1150 bilion zloty(gov.stat.pl), Rate of exchange for dollar is actually 2,28-2,30, so polish real gdp in dollars is 504,3. Polsih gdp (ppp) is in 2007 around 46500złoty so in dollars around 20300.
Poland gdp is now around 1150 bilion zloty(gov.stat.pl), Rate of exchange for dollar is actually 2,28-2,30, so polish real gdp in dollars is 504,3. Polsih gdp (ppp) is in 2007 around 46500złoty so in dollars around 20300. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.133.188.196 ( talk) 10:53, 13 March 2008 (UTC) Is Poland's GDP really $512.9 billion?
is saying that poland was not controlled by jews but russia was controlled by jews for 2000 years very anti semitic it is probably vandalism Bouse23 11:26, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Poland wasn't the fourth allies by the number of troop. It was France. In 1945, they were around 600,000 polish regulars east and west and 300,000 resistants while they were 1,500,000 frenchs (air force, navy and army, the army numbering 1,250,000 men) all regulars and on western front (except "normandy-niemen group") , 412,000 of whom were in germany. They were around 2 millions polish soldiers during the entire war (including the resistants) while they were 5 millions of french.clems78 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.68.28.200 ( talk) 18:28, 18 July 2008 (UTC) fvbres
I cannot beleive how silly the recent reverts regarding the presidency have been. Kwasniewski will remain president until the end of the year when Kaczynski is sworn in. Kaczynski is the President(he sucks).It seems obvious that the solution to this problem is to insert a line into the table to reflect that Kaczynski is President (elect) - (despite the fact that some may not like it). I'm not good with tables but I'll try to change it. If it doesn't work perhaps somebody with a mature approach to editing might want to make the change. Adz 12:47, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
-- Myszodorn 15:40, 25 October 2005 (UTC) why the map of border change after WWII shows Gdansk as the teritory which was a part of Germany? I thought it had been free town? Yes it was. But it was German (no matter if someone likes it or not - that is the fact). Native inhabitants were speaking German, streets'names were in German, etc. Besides all, Gdansk always had more german than polish style.
Well, I don't understand why some vandalism that I thought I'd reverted still persisted. Odd. Maybe I did click the wrong link. It's possible. But this is the second time this has happened. Oh well. I'll give the Wikipedia software the benefit of the doubt once more. -- A bit iffy 21:59, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
Could someone add a better map for this country? This seems to me to be a problem for most country and city entries throughout Wikipedia, there are no decent maps. The "administrative map" given here shows very few cities and no detail. Location maps for cities within Poland often show just a silhouette of the country with a dot giving an approximate location of the city. These lacks of detail make it difficult for anyone to get an idea on geography. DJProFusion
I think the detailed list of 40+ cities is unnecessary and makes the article messy. Lets keep only the small table with the voivodships and their capitals and if someone wants to see a more complete list of cities, they can visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_Poland Any comments? MD Just to clarify. Kaliningrad Oblast is NOT an enclave, its half-enclave, because it have a sea connection to Russia. It's a detail but it's really two diffrent things.
Why are you using the Polish city forms in the English names, and reverting changes? I don't care for your blind Polish nationalism imposing things on the English language. Here is how I see it:
1, The English language lacks the special characters in use in the majority of those names.
2, The English language lacks the basic SOUNDS as in Szczecin, and we say it as 'Stettin'. English IS a Germanic language, you see.
3, I have never seen the Polish city forms used in English atlases, only German or English-modified German forms (IE, Dantsic).
So stop trying to impose your versions of city names on the English wiki.
Antman
20:26, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
List:
Szczecin is pronounced 'Stettin' in English, and most Atlases use 'Stettin'.
Gdansk USED to be used as 'Danzig' in English, but after the Cold War we began to use Gdansk (no accent).
Wroclaw, we can't really make those sounds, most people I know who come from there who aren't Polish (German-ancestry or people referencing it) say Breslau.
We also don't use accented characters because our keyboards cannot easily make them.
Antman 20:29, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
Well British Embassy in Warsaw and US Departament of State has different opinion about those names than You. I belive them.
Radomil
talk 21:28, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
Why are you even editing here; this is an English Wiki.
Antman
22:42, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
No arguments? Is it so painfull? Radomil talk 23:21, 11 December 2005 (UTC) I realise rationality may be misplaced here, but... Antman's argument that Standard German forms should be used, since English is a Germanic language, is so specious as to be frankly laughable; one point does not follow from the other. Suffice it to say that modern English doesn't even use the German forms for all German cities --- often it's anglicised French ( Cologne for Köln, Vienna for Wien, Munich for München). As for the cities we're actually dealing with, I think it would be fairest to say that there are no English words for these cities, because people without some personal connection to them or the country they are in (unlike, say, Paris, Rome or even Warsaw) are unlikely to have even heard of them, much less know what to call them. There are two Polish cities which have clear, well-known English names: Warsaw and Cracow (and even the latter you see written more and more as "Kraków" nowadays). As for the rest, people who don't know anybody from the region will go by local usage, however hard it may be to pronounce. Incidentally, English speakers are perfectly capable of making every sound in the word "Szczecin" on its own, they're just not used to the spelling or order. Oh, and any claims along the lines of "most atlases use..." will be ignored without citations. ~ J. K. 00:58, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
I believe that this issue is resolved by the Talk:Gdansk/Vote. In the modern, post 1945, Szczecin is Szczecin, not Settin.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 02:31, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Xx236 12:19, 13 January 2006 (UTC) The translations of Polish province names into English! Good God! Where did we get these aberrations from? Cuiavian-Pomerania? Never heard of it in all my life! Let's just stick to the Polish names (minus the accented letters). Whatever next? The Boat's Voivodship or the Holy Cross Voivodship! It's like the Polish translator's passion for turning 'ul. Mickiewicza' into 'Mickiewicz Street'. Like one translates 'Bahnhofstrasse' into 'Bahnhof Street' or 'Rue de Paix' into 'Peace Road'. Or indeed 'Oxford Circus' into 'Cyrk Oksfordski' or 'Marlborough Street' into 'ul. Marlborough'a' Michael Dembinski
Hi Piotr (the name is spelt 'Michael') I have signed up. I am keen to see the principle of reciprocity on Wikipedia. The Polish site does not attempt to translate British place names into Polish, other than London/Londyn. So why the attempts to translate Polish place names into English (other than Warszawa/Warsaw)? (BTW I find it amusing that the very Poles who get upset by Australians' pronounciation of their highest peak as "Mount Koskee-usko" are also vehement that the northernmost stop on the Warsaw metro be pronounced "Plats Veelsona" rather than "Łylsona") The names of Polish cities should remain as they are in Polish. Szczecin should remain as Szczecin. The term 'Stettin' is usually only found in older atlases and this is because of the Germanic connection - it should now be considered offensive to use the German name for this Polish city. The same obviously applies to Wrocław (Wroclaw, Breslau) and so on. I can, however, understand not using Polish characters because not all PCs are set up to show Central European characters but the correct Polish spelling should at least be put in brackets. Xania 21:08, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
I do not agree that capital city of Poland is Warsaw. Name should be use as it is in original language: Warszawa. Did you see italians call Rome a Rzym or Italy a Wlochy? If Antman cannot pronunounce Szczecin, it is his problem, we will not change name to make him happy. Jacek T. ( don't call me Jack, Altman ) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.59.117.20 ( talk) 12:31, 22 October 2007 (UTC) World Book Encyclopedia & Rand McNally road atlas use: Warsaw & Krakow and all other cities in Polish form, however sometimes without special letters: Gdansk instead of Gdansk. However the fact that German names are considered offensive in Poland is just not true. Sure, a maybe loud but very minor right wing minority might find them offensive, but cities use them in promotional material. Szczecin uses Stettin and Wrocław uses Breslau, but in GERMAN and not ENGLISH language publications. BTW: Warsaw's city city information boards (the green stuff with theater posters etc.) actually has written: Warszawa - Warsaw - Warschau - Varsovie - Varsovia and then in cyrylic script, so the city doesn't find any name offensive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.205.150.49 ( talk) 21:50, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
"The citizens of Poland took pride in their ancient freedoms and parliamentary system, although the Szlachta monopolised most of the benefits. Since that time Poles have regarded freedom as their most important value. Poles often call themselves the nation of the free people." Authors have overlooked that the most part of Poles since the middle of the fourteenth century were serfs. The serfdom was severe. Landowners gained almost unlimited ownership over serfs. The Polish expansion on the East, in ancient russian princedoms, carried the serfdom to the Ukrainians and Belorussians Ben-Velvel 13:41, 5 January 2006 (UTC) read a bit before making comments. serfdom developed in second half odf XV and the begining of XVI century, while the countries (Poland and Lithuania) were bound already. Ukraininas and Belorussians were governed from Vilinus at that time.
Xx236 12:25, 13 January 2006 (UTC) "went under rule of Poland and Lithuania and received the serfdom from Poland." Lithuania used to have its laws. When did Lithuania accept Polish laws regarding peasants? What was the name of the law? Xx236 13:54, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Hello. I new user has just created Polish National Government. I cannot immediately verify whether or not the page is factual or has any merit. I notice that this new user has already been warned once today about alleged vandalism to a user page. I hope that someone here will check out the page. Please let me know if it should be deleted. Thank you, Johntex\ talk 22:06, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
read a bit before making comments. serfdom developed in the begining of XVI century, while the countries were bound already.
Was Mieszko I only a prince his whole life or did he become a king later? Informationguy
There is the text History of Poland. Why to keep an another text, containing errors - Russia (should be Rus or Halich) or Kazimierz Wielki. Xx236 12:22, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
It's very hard to manage two different coherent articles. Probably the only way is to make the article "History" the best possible and to write its shorter version for "Poland". Corrections make a text different but I'm not sure if better. Xx236 12:00, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Would it be possible to replace the pictures of Katowice with some nicer ones? The ones that are up now (all three of them!) really don't do the city any justice! MD 10:33, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
I put up a picture of Torun and changed the picture of Katowice with the reflection in the window (!) for a nicer one of the Spodek but someone reverted that and posted the old ugly pictures again! :( Come on: if you really want to include pictures of Katowice, why not some nicer ones? -- MD 12:16, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
On a related sidenote, Portal:Poland/New_article_announcements#Images contains info on some Poland-related images which will soon be deleted, becaue uplodars didn't use image copyright tags or didn't link the images from any articles.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 00:12, 21 January 2006 (UTC) This picture situation is really getting out of hand. Is there any way to stop this nonsense, agree on a series of HIGH QUALITY NICE PICTURES and prevent users like the one that keeps putting up the picture with the reflection from sabotaging our article? -- MD 13:22, 21 January 2006 (UTC) I'm a bit confused with the picture of the Third Reich flag put as a Polish flag... Is it intended or just vandalism? -- Programming Hamster 18:56, 13 March 2006 (UTC) Apparently something has to be done about Gagabrain because he put that 3rd reich flag here twice (just checked a few earlier revisions) - Programming Hamster 18:13, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
Any idea on how to handle these pictures ? This is not a picture gallery. The photos should be representative for the country. I don't think we need any photo from Katowice in this article, and definitely not 3 of them. Also it would be good to pay attention to the quality of the photos. -- Lysy talk 19:09, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
I have nothing against Katowice but I'm not quite sure if we need a photo of every major Polish city here. First let's think how many and what kind of pictures do we want to illustrate the article. I think something like 20 images would be fine for now, including maps, drawings etc. That would leave us more or less 15 photos. What should there be ? Sure some major cities both historic sights and modern centres, possibly some city landscape pictures featuring landmarks rather than focusing on individual objects. Then some countryside pictures, different landscapes, mountains, seaside, lakes, forests. A typical village architecture. Do not foget about the nature, which is one of the major assets of Poland. Do you agree ? Any ideas ? -- Lysy talk 13:18, 21 January 2006 (UTC) I think if there is no agreement which picture of Katowice to choose, I'd prefer having none. I think Spodek is acceptable but is not particularly nice and the blue one with the reflection is horrible. Poszwa 19:27, 21 January 2006 (UTC) The infamous pictures are back again!! Is there a way of blocking the IP of the person responsible for this vandalism?! -- MD 14:06, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
Dobra. Słuchajcie. Obserwując ostatnio artykuł o Polsce można wywnioskować tylko jedno. Najpierw było mało zdjęć. Później dołożone zostały 3 zdjęcia Katowic: jedno w kategorii o miastach (gdzie są zdjęcia rynku największych miast) i pozostałe 2 zdjęcia z wieżowcami w kategorii o ekonomii (obok zdjęć wieżowców w Warszawie). Później się nagle wszyscy obudzili i zaczeli tkać tam swoje zdjęcia kasując poprzednie!!! Trzeba pójść na ugodę. Sprawa jest następująca. Zdjęcie rynku w Katowicach może zostać tak jak inne zdjęcia rynku innych największych polskich miast. Jeśli chodzi o dział ekonomia to powinien znaleźć się tak zdjęcie Spodka. Te drugie zdjęcie Katowic (wieżowce nocą) można wycofać z artykułu (jeśli chcecie). I teraz druga sprawa. Czy warto zostawiać zdjęcia jakiś wioch? Przecież to wstyd dla Polski. Polska będzie się kojarzyła z wioskami, a nie z cywilizowaną Europą. Zastanówcie się nad tym. I jeszcze dajcie tylko zdjęcie bociana... do artykułu o Polsce. Hehehe. Pozdrawiam -- LUCPOL 13:21, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
Well, I didn't call him "a troll", I only wanted to take greater attention on him from our Polish sub-community. One user that push his POV too hard, using for this purpose sock-puppets can destroy this delicate balance between different POV on Cetral Europe related articles. As for length of "picture block" - it's proportions with text depends on display resolution of Your monitor... Radomil talk 23:35, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
So let's try to make list of those 15 photos: Radomil talk 19:59, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
I'd suggest adding Łódź pic, if we want to have most major cities covered. Kraków is the most famous Polish city abroad, probably as famous as Warsaw, so I'd suggest 2 pics of it (especially if we want to pics of Wawa). In the case of Wawa, I'd suggest one of the pics to show the 'modern' city - the curren selection of castle+old town would be more suitable for Cracow, not our capital. Finally, on a related note: it's nice to see some activity here, and photos contribs are always welcome - please remember to use image copyright tags and put the image into Category:Images of Poland (or Category:Poland on commons), or into more specific city/region related subcategories.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 01:45, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
Well, IMO GOP it is important part of Poland (mayby not from Tourstiv POV, but it is). Perhaps e should put Łódź picture in place of one of "Village photos"? Radomil talk 23:38, 23 January 2006 (UTC) I think you should reconsider putting a photo (Lanckorona, I suggest very kindly :D). Poland is not only big cities but also towns and villages. As long as I know in villages live approximately 40% of the population in RP... Culture of the countryside seem to be much more absorbing than cosmopolitic cities like ugly and dirty (except the city centre) Berlin and its U-bahn stations which... smell. Warsaw has similar problem. Some People just don't like big cities and are passionate about regional culture with its roots in the countryside.
I believe that the Polish word "uczony" cannot be translated as "scientist", because "science" means "nauki scisłe". Xx236 11:27, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
How about a list of Polish Americans, I would like to include my Wife randazzo562-28-06
"and the government had large credits" - does it sound OK? I mean, it's probably supposed to mean that the Gierek's government took large loans (which they did). "Credit" is ambiguous IMHO but I'd rather some native speaker spoke out. Zbihniew 23:01, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
why it is not mentioned that Reymont has got Nobel prize? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.98.19.137 ( talk) 20:52, 14 March 2007
Reported by the BBC, the church has abused their power. Churches are constantly being built, and priest buy luxury cars, while Poland suffers extreme poverty. THe Government has recently been criticized by the E.U. for their extremist religious views.
Separation of Church and state The Polish government is a fundamentally catholic. The church has large say in affairs within the nation. The government forces children from as early as kindergarten ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/45622.stm) (as signed with the Vatican) to have Christian classes (in Public, state funded schools). But sectarianism is not the only issue.
Corrupt Church The Polish church has been many time criticized corruption (although some can be jailed for this, as under polish law a person who criticizes the government can be jailed, and as the Polish church holds a tight grip on government, a person who criticizes the church may be jailed). Many Poles probably know a lot of the corruption allegations. One is that the church does not have to pay VAT (taxes). In the early 90s the church would purchase large trucks of beer, and other suppliers for large events and then sell them to make large profits. The church has also been criticized for its extravagance. In a nation were the unemployment/poverty I very large, priest/bishops buy themselves expensive cars, build many church, and build their living quarters with supplies such as marble. The church has also been involved with many enterprises and profiting from the no tax. ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/363004.stm).
There is much speculation that the Polish church is trying to become a political power, rather than a religious institution.
Conservatism In 2000, ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/692586.stm) the polish parliament wanted to implement a bill that banned all pornography (even soft core), with penalties of jail term up to two years (which would be the toughest law in Europe). Kwasniewski, President at the time, did not ratify it. The church is highly vocal on issues such as abortion, same-sex marriage. They have often persuaded the public to vote against candidates that support these issues ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3631707.stm). The church has criticized the EU for not allowing “God” to be mentioned in the constitution, having un-Christian morals, and not allowing the church to play a larger role in European affairs. Abortion laws in Poland are the strictest of any nation in [Europe?]. There has been a recent case where a women, that has three children already, would go blind if the abortion is not allowed. The government has not allowed her to go ahead with the abortion. This has sparked much criticism in the EU. The women receives state welfare, and is disabled as well. She would not be capable of supporting the next child as she is single ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4691192.stm). The nation has seen a rise in radicalism as well ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1565094.stm), both in government and in the public. With the party “league of Christian families”, there have been many “skin head” groups that have risen.
First of all, the goverment is not responsible for everything that is happening in Poland. Nor is the Church. (Yes, there are some municipal authorities, NGOs, political parties, pressure groups, media, trade unions, and even individuals that exist in Poland). Second, The Church is not a monolith. There are some priests that support Radio Maryja, but many other oppose it (including the primat and many bishops). You can be a catholic and disagree with RM policies. There is a no "rise in skinhead groups". This is plain rubbish. The "Ligue of Polish Families" (which - BTW - is nationalistic, but quite moderately) support in the poles is currently at about 2 or 3%. The only person sentenced for "offending religious feelings" was Dorota Nieznalska. She was sentenced to 6 months of community work (under appeal). The only person sentenced fot "offending a foreign head of state" was Jerzy Urban. He was sentenced to pay a fine. The Church does have some tax privileges - as it does in many other states - including the US. Some priests in the 1990s (not "The Church") have in fact discouraged their congregations of voting for certain candidates . But the effect was completly the opposite. So they ceased doing so. The abortion laws in Poland are not "the strictest" that you can imagine. In the case of Alicja Tysiac (the woman that was supposed to go blind unless she had an abortion - actually it did not happened) it was her doctor (not "the goverment") that had not allowed an abortion. P.S. The above quotations from the BBC are "a little" outdated. Furthermore, BBC is vary poorly informed about polish politics. -- Barry Kent 00:00, 21 April 2006 (UTC) Radio Maryja This radio station (which has a TV program as well) has come across much critics, even sometimes from the catholic church. It is blamed for fueling anti-Semitism, and xenophobic anger ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2758795.stm). The station has approximately 6 million listeners in Poland alone. -- GPRIEST -- Gpriest 14:56, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
The correct territory of Poland: 322575 km²
include:
The total area of the country according to the administrative division amounts to 312683 km² and includes a land area (including inland waters) of 311889 km² as well as a part of internal sea waters — 794 km², i.e.: Wisła Bay, including ports, Szczecin Bay, including: Lake Nowowarpieńskie, Lake Wicko Wielkie, Kamieński Bay and ports as well as Gulf of
Gdańsk ports and border ports.
Source:
CONCISE STATISTICAL YEARBOOK OF POLAND 2006
Aotearoa from Poland
22:01, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
According to Encyclopedia Britannica the total area of Polnad is 312,685 sq km => Link: [4]
According to Encyclopedia Britannica the total area of Polnad is 312,685 sq km => Link: [5] I agree with someone who posted the area of 312685 sq km earlier today. I went to see both sources mentioned by you User:Aotearoa and User talk:Aotearoa from Poland and User:Aotearoa from Poland as well as the TABLICE by Central Statistical Office of Poland (see references; Page 1)) and I have to conclude that we should consider the land are of Poland as 312685 sq km! Did you ever see any country's area posted in any media that would include external sea or ocean area! Please take a look around the internet and you will never see such things posted anywhere! Even though the area of Poland including the external sea is 322575 sq km, the land area including inland sea area in only 312685 sq km and this number should be posted to not confuse other users! Please come to Talk:Poland section to discuss this further. Once again, please do not confuse readers with your version of information (322575 sq km). The Central Statistical Office posted the total land area of POLAND on many of their documents as 312685 sq km. So, please stop damaging my work! Do not change the land area with your info! The area posted now, 312685 sq km, is the correct total land area referenced here by 3 sources and there are many more sources to support this fact out there! Thanks! -- Thomaspca 20:06, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
PAX. Aotearoa is definitely right - we must know what we want. And what is enwiki standard for this? Total areas are included, covering land and inland water bodies (lakes, reservoirs, rivers). Marine internal waters, territorial waters and Exclusive Economic Zones are not included. See List of countries and outlying territories by total area, the areas are (and should be kept) consistent with this article. So the correct value here is 311889+794=312683. We may add info about teritorial waters somewhere with an explicit explanation, but it is evident that the "oficial area" should be set to 312683. -- Beaumont (@) 12:01, 12 December 2006 (UTC) BTW, the 312685 standard has been accepted in other ecyclopedias: Britannica [6] or Polish PWN [7] (rounded). -- Beaumont (@) 12:35, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
No, this is not just a statistical number. There are two issues to consider.
I hope this clearly justifies the number (and some corrections that I make to the article). Best regards, -- Beaumont (@) 13:05, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
According to Encyclopedia Britannica the total area of Polnad is 312,685 sq km => Link: [8] It looks like this can of worms has been reopened, just read that Poland's area will now expand as a result of the Czech Republic returning some land because of border adjustment. [9] Good luck to anybody attempting to figure out what the area is now. JRWalko 00:42, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Is not the agricultural sector just 10% of the economy (and thus a problem)? This should be noted in the sentence about agriculture. Also, the figures from this article might be useful: http://www.ce-review.org/01/19/cave19.html -- Vegalabs 02:14, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
Due to continual vandalization, effective December 7, 2007, " Poland" has been granted semi-protection for 1 month. Also, a user has been blocked. Nihil novi ( talk) 15:38, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
I just wanted to let everyone know that there exists a conversion template: Template:Unit sqkm for all those ugly-looking X km² (Y sq mi) mentions that everyone seems to be so fond of. Here's the basic usage:
{{unit sqkm|SQUARE KILOMETERS|PRECISION}}
For example: {{unit sqkm|400|2}} produces:
400 square kilometres (154.44 sq mi)
You can also have it link to square kilometre and square mile; {{unit sqkm|4000|0|lk=on}} produces:
400 square kilometres (154.44 sq mi)
See also: Template:Unit m (for meter <=> foot) → ɧʒЖχ ( ГДĽК • КОИГЯІВ) 08:01, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
Poland’s territory extends across the ocean and five geographical regions. This has been in for days and I can't fix it. If you do semi-protection, you must proof read the whole thing.
I just came across this article by accident, but I think the remark about some statistics office considering Poland to be part of Eastern Europe - it's in the very first intro sentence - makes this sentence awkward to read. Plus it does not seem relevant at all. Even if that statistics offfice happens to be part of the UN, it does not give any indication that it's categorization is any more relevant or binding than the code number (616) it assigns to Poland. I wanted to delete the remark straight away, but then I read the comment that asked me to discuss the matter first. Yaan ( talk) 12:07, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
According to CIA Factbook and IMF Poland has never reached 20 000 per capita GDP (PPP). I wonder how did it make up from 16 700 to 20 080? Strange a bit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.61.120.154 ( talk) 11:59, 12 January 2008 (UTC) If you ask me, it is possible. Most probably it depends on the money exchange rate thus with low USD/PLN rate it would give you more dollars. Simple? As of today, the exchange rate is in the region of 3 PLN and the value of GDP (PPP) will go down.--JEDRZEJ POLAND 05:29, 27 October 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by JEDRZEJ GDANSK ( talk • contribs)
I grouped the "Demographics" and "Ethnicity and Religion" sections together, since it made little sense for them to be apart, and reworded some sentences in them. But I did not know what to do with the two conflicting statistics on the percentage of ethnic Polish people in Poland - one sentence claims that it is 96.74%, while another claims that it is 99.3%. I presume these come from separate censuses, but it's not clear which one is the more current. Whichever one it is, that one should be retained and the other one deleted. Funnyhat ( talk) 07:24, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
I know this will get me in trouble with some of our numerous Polish friends, but in English it sounds very odd to say "the first Polish state was baptized in 966." In English, 'to baptize' always refers to an individual human being, never to a country. In English, it sounds almost comical — as if an entire country could step up to the baptismal font or down into the river. Okay, so there's an English figure of speech, "baptism of fire," referring to an entity's first exposure to action — such a a military unit's first experience with combat. That doesn't have any bearing on the observation above. Generally historical articles say something like, "XXX was first mentioned in the historical record in ...," or "The origin of XXX is thought to date from ...." Sca ( talk) 20:47, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Sca ( talk) 21:10, 4 February 2008 (UTC) See also: baptism of Poland -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 21:19, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Photos are awful. Why nobody put here Krakow, Gdansk, Zamosc, Torun... or Morskie Oko pictures? Wisents and white storks are strictly boring and symblise nothing. Compare it to i.e. Slovakia page. IlluminatiX ( talk) 22:01, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm resuming with the inclusion of independent Kosovo in the maps of the countries that have recgonised it. Bardhylius ( talk) 14:01, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
Fairly self-explanatory, but I'll give my justification: the President of Poland actually has some power (including a meaningful if sparingly-used veto), so would it be accurate to characterize Poland as a parliamentary as opposed to semi-presidential republic? He can actually do things (not many, but some) when the Sejm is in session/outside of a state of emergency, making him much more powerful than the presidents of more classical parliamentary republics like the president of Germany and the president of India, neither of whom can do ANYTHING at all. Lockesdonkey ( talk) 23:41, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
This would be standard ! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.179.158.83 ( talk) 17:59, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
Please, someone, write an article for Polish People's Army. A number of our articles link to it, so it must be of some importance, but as of now it contains nothing but links to two people's names who were once in it. -- Xyzzyplugh ( talk) 08:53, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
The Commonwealth was at its "greatest extent" only for 10 years of history, between the Truce of Deulino (1619) and the Truce of Altmark (1629). We should clearly mark the external border of the Commonwealth with a thick red or black line, and put "1619-1629" in the map's caption on the Poland page. During this 1619-1629 time the Courlanders' colonization of Tobago and Gambia hadn't yet begun, so that insert box for colonies is slightly misleading unless we add some kind of footnote.
Give your support or opposition at the Central Europe talk page, since we are looking for a single definition for it. It's very important. ⇨ EconomistBR ⇦ Talk 17:09, 23 April 2008 (UTC) Thank you all that participated and gave their opinion on Proposal II. Proposal II was approved, 13 editors supported it and 5 editors opposed it. Proposal II is now in effect and it redefined Central Europe. ⇨ EconomistBR ⇦ Talk 23:42, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I'm trying to compile a list of notable references to support a Wikipedia article concerning a video editor. Two I have are in Polish - if there are any Polish speakers that could help by reading the articles this would be appreciated. The articles are here: Clesh#References If you believe from the article the video editor is notable please leave some form of comment here: AfD Many thanks, mk ( talk) 20:37, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Why do Poles drive around in the daytime with their headlights on? Intelligent Mr Toad ( talk) 19:59, 14 May 2008 (UTC) (currently in Gdansk)
Someone should correct the figures to reflect the data on the IMF web page. 217.98.25.107 ( talk) 04:48, 25 May 2008 (UTC) I agree. The correct GDP and nominal GDP per capita data is here GDP(PPP) per capita Magnus Dux ( talk) 16:05, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
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The picture comes probably from Germany. Xx236 ( talk) 09:23, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
There is no Commons for Poland but for Polska. Xx236 ( talk) 14:53, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
Telecommunication and IT Jest: the coverage mobile cellular is over 1000 users per 1000 people (2007) Telephones—mobile cellular: 38.7 million (Onet.pl & GUS Report, 2007) Powinno byc: the coverage mobile cellular is over 1090 users per 1000 people (2008) Telephones—mobile cellular: 42 million (Onet.pl & GUS Report, 2008) zrodlo: http://biznes.onet.pl/0,1786769,wiadomosci.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.59.140.15 ( talk) 04:51, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
"About 88% of the population belongs to the Roman Catholic Church, with 58% as practising Catholics according to 2005 survey by the Centre for Public Opinion Research.[5]" According to "information portal of Ministry of Foreigns Affairs of the Republic of Poland" "The biggest numbers belong to the Catholic Church, approximately 95% of the religious segment of Polish society." http://www.poland.gov.pl/?document=397 -- Krzyzowiec ( talk) 02:33, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
Some other statistics could be also helpful: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_literacy_rate, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_unemployment_rate —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jxa ( talk • contribs) 21:39, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Medial wage in Warsaw is about 3500 zlotychs, not 4600! The highest medial wages in Poland are in Katowice (3950 PLN), Gdansk (3900 PLN) and in Warsaw (3500). polacken ( talk) 13:03, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
I'm confused about the numbers in the Ethnicity and Religion section. I can't make out what percent of the population is Catholic. The Religion in Poland article doesn't help. It has different numbers. -- Elliskev 00:20, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
I would suggest that there is a great difference between being a Catholic and Practising Catholic. The 89% referes to those who would describe themselves as being Catholic. Practising Catholics, (Those attending church regularly), will vary region to region I would expect that in country area's over 50% would be possible, whilst in Metropolitan connurbations less that 25% would be the norm. Whilst the Polish people would describe themselves as Catholic, in my 15 years of living in Poland I would estimate that 80% are critical of the church. Have a look as [ http://www.about-poland.com for further information. Crayden ( talk) 05:34, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
i arent doing this homework got that —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.21.137.79 ( talk) 19:26, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
Sentence is wrong: "and emerged several years later as a socialist republic within the Eastern Bloc under strong Soviet influence." Poland wasn't socialist republic, it was independend country (formally), but within the Eastern Bloc under strong Soviet influence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.255.109.132 ( talk) 03:12, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
please remove idiotic map showing poland in the lands of Prussia, Jotuva and Pamare, while all history sources shows that you had a war with all those lands and Prussia was till Vistula...DO NOT FAKE STUPIDS YOUR OWN HISTIRY, THOSE LAND WILL BE GIVEN BACK TO ETHNIC PEOPLE AND NOT TO NAZZI DEGENERATES POLES —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.151.172.183 ( talk) 03:19, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
Why would you call Poles "Nazzi degenerates", considering Nazi in the WWII context refers to Germans? Please don't change history, own up to what happened! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.202.241.195 ( talk) 05:18, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
Like the unanswered comment in one of the above states, Why does the map of post-WW2 Polish land annexations have a description in the text saying that all the dark areas were German? Danzig was a Free City State based upon the 1919 Treaty of Versailles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.14.217.231 ( talk) 10:45, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
There is Eastern Europe mentioned in the Postwar Communist Poland paragraph. Due to the fact, that Poland is a part of Central, not Eastern Europe (mentioned also in the very beginning of this article - "Poland [ˈpoʊlənd] (help·info) (Polish: Polska), officially the Republic of Poland (Rzeczpospolita Polska), is a country in Central Europe.") I suggest that the link called "collapse of communism across Eastern Europe" should be re-written to "collapse of communism across Central Europe" -- Finrod Felagund, 2008-10-12 00:12 CEST —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.79.35.19 ( talk)
Poland is either Eastern or Central Europe depending on two systems of divison. The CIA Factbook uses Centrul Europe for instance, however the UN uses Eastern Europe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.205.150.49 ( talk) 21:53, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
UN definition is an outdated post-cold-war relict and not very useful any more. I think we should revert it back to Central Europe to make it consistent with other articles on Wikipedia such as "Hungary", "Germany" or "Austria" an which are also described as countries in Central Europe (not Western or Eastern Europe as it is in UN definition). Now it is a mess, some articles are using UN definition and the others not.
Is Tarnow the warmest city whole year? I would suggest Slubice or Legnica —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.105.131.120 ( talk) 11:40, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
Tarnów isn't the warmest city whole year. Average temperature in Tarnów is 9.0°C, but in Wrocław, Legnica and Słubice 9,1°C! [10]. I think that you should change it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.128.107.244 ( talk) 16:27, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
The Polish climate is described inaccurate: nowhere in Poland is above 0 degrees Celsius. The Northwestern part of Poland with the Towns Swnoucie and Stettin the average Januaru temperrature is from - 1 degree Celsius to minus 3 degrees Celsius. Check international statistics. The whoole part with the warmest city is irrelevant: not true and it tries to convey a pretty picture of a bleak Polish reality. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.140.72.238 ( talk) 14:19, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
I can't understand why there is no informations about polish uprisings in main article. I think that it should be mention at least. (1794, 1830, 1863 and 1944 at least). I am not able to write it in english but I know it is fundamental(!). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.24.130.36 ( talk) 22:20, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
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I was recently browsing the Poland wiki page to find out information about it's Growth Rate. When I saw it, I investigated further, by going onto the HDI page, and then selecting the 2008 section. [1] I found that Poland was now 39th, not,as was stated in the article,37th. I realise it says 2005 in the article, but if more recent information is available, why is it not displayed on the article? I would edit the article myself, but it is as yet protected, so I cannot. 20:31, 24 January 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.11.8.17 ( talk)
Why don't you change the data of Polish GDP per capita (PPP) ? Today it's 17,560 USD and the total is 669,0 bln USD —Preceding unsigned comment added by Msqe ( talk • contribs) 13:05, 2 February 2009 (UTC) https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/pl.html#Econ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.156.122.3 ( talk) 09:49, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
Yet again nominal GDP per capita is artificially uplifted according to the IMF World Economic Outlook, the source mentioned in the footnote, which is 14.980 not 16800 or something. As i can't edit this article due it is editing-protected, could anyone do this and follow the source as it should fe followed without distorting data? Thank you in advance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.61.59.236 ( talk) 13:33, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
Category:Poland is itself a category within Category:Countries bordering the Baltic Sea. — Robert Greer ( talk) 19:03, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
I would suggest reverting changes from user Kirk diamond, he uses articles just to promote himself (Dariusz Zawislak). There is a huge crosswiki spam from him:
http://toolserver.org/~luxo/contributions/contributions.php?user=Kirk+diamond&lang=
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i was born in poland szymon —Preceding
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Please change the geographical map of Poland; it should be in one language only. Cities should be in Polish, the way they are recognized around the world. English translations, or original names for each city can be found on city's own wikipedia page. 76.202.241.195 ( talk) 05:28, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
Poland A and B is a random article that I stumbled upon. I added a Wikipedia Project Poland template, but I am unsure whether this article is important, or not, and whether the information might be more appropriate elsewhere rather than a separate article. Can someone who knows more about Poland please follow up? -- DThomsen8 ( talk) 16:10, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
In 1629 Poland legally conceded Livonia in the Swedish-Polish Truce of Altmark. The Swedes had already occupied Livonia in 1625. So its better to change the date on the map to 1620. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.30.85.45 ( talk) 16:30, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
What is an efficient climate? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.144.32.165 ( talk) 06:38, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
The spelling of the soup listed in the cuisine section from the Russian version "borscht" which is generally served cold should be changed to the more typically Polish "barszcz" which is served hot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chrismachine ( talk • contribs) 19:37, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
The flag is of the old, communist 2nd Republic of Poland. The 3rd (or simply, Republic) of Poland has the coat of Arms on it, as seen: [11]
The official polish flag DOES NOT have a coat of arms on it. This version is only used by football fans and the like, never by official authorities. Also, communist Poland was not the 2nd Republic, the 2nd Republic lasted between 1918 and 1939 and was replaced by the People's Republic of Poland.
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The photograph and information re Słowiński National Park should probably be under "The Coast" rather than "The Desert" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.212.6.92 ( talk) 18:31, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
Could somebody provide some reference claiming that Poland is a Slavic country? And what defines Slavic country? I can agree that Polish is a part of Western Slavic languages and that the Polish nation has a strong Slavic component (but also Teutonic and Jewish) but there is no such thing like a political or cultural organization which groups "Slavic countries". A country is a political organization which includes many, also non-Slavic ethnic groups so I think the category, especially when compared to the other ones (e.g. "European Union member states") is redundant, imprecise and not-encyclopedic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mb nl ( talk • contribs) 09:24, 22 October 2009 (UTC)