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"The roots of Polish history can be traced to the Iron Age," Hahaha yeah right. Maybe go back a bit further i'm sure there were "poles" around in the stone age as well. Jokes aside, if anything the article should follow the facts of what is known and start at the first mention of the polani and their duke, so somewhere in the 10th century i suppose. English wikipedia has slowly but surely turned into a polish state propaganda output. So much lying on the polish editors side, quite bizarre really. The sources are lacking as well, if there even are any at all.
1. Concerning the introduction: "The first ruling dynasty, the Piasts, emerged in the 10th century AD. Duke Mieszko I is considered the de facto creator of the Polish state and is widely recognized for his adoption of Western Christianity in 966 CE. Mieszko's dominion was formally reconstituted as a medieval kingdom in 1025 by his son Bolesław I the Brave, known for military expansion under his rule. The most successful and the last Piast monarch, Casimir III the Great, presided over a period of economic prosperity and territorial aggrandizement before his death in 1370 without male heirs."
Considering that the newly established Kingdom of Poland saw several periods without any centralized power, which allowed German and Bohemian rulers to exploit the situation to their benefit, it seems warranted to mention at least in some way, in a sentence or half-sentence, that Piast rule between the 10th and 14th century was intermittent and had to be re-established several times.
2. I would also add that Boreslaw I. established Poland among the Christian realms of Europe, safe-guarding it from Western intrusions under the pretense of spreading Christianity, while adding that very aspect to his own campaigns against pagan rules.
3. The entire article doesn't produce a single match for terms like "german/germanic migration", the first match for "germanization" is found in the section dealing with the early 20th century. A quote from the German WP entry on the time around 1250:
"This period saw increased colonisation of Polish territories by emigrants from the Holy Roman Empire. By 1250, large parts of Pomerania and Silesia had been settled with Germans and Flemings, who were brought into the country by local lords such as the Griffins in Pomerania and the Silesian Piasts. The Pomeranian nobles, as well as the Silesian princes, primarily hoped that the new settlers would bring them greater economic prosperity, better tax revenues and, above all, a faster connection to the (rural) economic-urban standards of Western Europe. Due to the number of new settlers and the personal commitment and promotion of eastern settlement by the Polish sovereigns, large parts of medieval Poland became part of the German-speaking area over the centuries and permanently lost their Slavic-Polish character. Also, some rulers, such as the Silesian Piasts, voluntarily opened themselves up to Germanism by appointing Germans to high offices in the state and in ecclesiastical structures and marrying princesses from German noble houses, which resulted in kinship ties to the German high nobility. The fact that the Griffin and the Silesian Piast were senior Polish dukes and the most powerful sovereigns in the first half of the 13th century further favoured eastern colonisation and the spread of Germanism in Silesia and beyond its borders. The deslavisation and the corresponding Germanisation took place peacefully and was not a brutal German land seizure of Polish territories - however, conflicts resulting from a lack of consideration of the interests of the local indigenous population through the process of eastern settlement between the long-established Poles and the immigrants, the majority of whom did not speak Slavic, cannot be ruled out. Only at the end of the 13th century and from the beginning of the 14th century did a contrary movement begin, whereby the cultural-economic dominance and influence of Germanism in the core provinces of Poland (Lesser and Greater Poland) was pushed back and which led to the repolonisation of wide swathes of land and many towns."
It seems that leaving out entirely the origins of the Ethnic German minority in Poland which will become very relevant later on when it comes to Post-WWII violent expropriation, expulsions and the transfer of half a million Ethnic Germans to forced labour camps - does not add to the integrity of the article. Hisredrighthand ⚔Tally-ho!⚔ 22:53, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
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The biggest layer of polish colonization history is not presented fairly. Ukrainians were deprived of their own houses, land and lives and became polish property. 81.66.219.75 ( talk) 15:21, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
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Change "case of successful elective king" to "case of a successful elective king" at the "First elective kings" section of Establishment. Meteorname ( talk) 16:55, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
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"The roots of Polish history can be traced to the Iron Age," Hahaha yeah right. Maybe go back a bit further i'm sure there were "poles" around in the stone age as well. Jokes aside, if anything the article should follow the facts of what is known and start at the first mention of the polani and their duke, so somewhere in the 10th century i suppose. English wikipedia has slowly but surely turned into a polish state propaganda output. So much lying on the polish editors side, quite bizarre really. The sources are lacking as well, if there even are any at all.
1. Concerning the introduction: "The first ruling dynasty, the Piasts, emerged in the 10th century AD. Duke Mieszko I is considered the de facto creator of the Polish state and is widely recognized for his adoption of Western Christianity in 966 CE. Mieszko's dominion was formally reconstituted as a medieval kingdom in 1025 by his son Bolesław I the Brave, known for military expansion under his rule. The most successful and the last Piast monarch, Casimir III the Great, presided over a period of economic prosperity and territorial aggrandizement before his death in 1370 without male heirs."
Considering that the newly established Kingdom of Poland saw several periods without any centralized power, which allowed German and Bohemian rulers to exploit the situation to their benefit, it seems warranted to mention at least in some way, in a sentence or half-sentence, that Piast rule between the 10th and 14th century was intermittent and had to be re-established several times.
2. I would also add that Boreslaw I. established Poland among the Christian realms of Europe, safe-guarding it from Western intrusions under the pretense of spreading Christianity, while adding that very aspect to his own campaigns against pagan rules.
3. The entire article doesn't produce a single match for terms like "german/germanic migration", the first match for "germanization" is found in the section dealing with the early 20th century. A quote from the German WP entry on the time around 1250:
"This period saw increased colonisation of Polish territories by emigrants from the Holy Roman Empire. By 1250, large parts of Pomerania and Silesia had been settled with Germans and Flemings, who were brought into the country by local lords such as the Griffins in Pomerania and the Silesian Piasts. The Pomeranian nobles, as well as the Silesian princes, primarily hoped that the new settlers would bring them greater economic prosperity, better tax revenues and, above all, a faster connection to the (rural) economic-urban standards of Western Europe. Due to the number of new settlers and the personal commitment and promotion of eastern settlement by the Polish sovereigns, large parts of medieval Poland became part of the German-speaking area over the centuries and permanently lost their Slavic-Polish character. Also, some rulers, such as the Silesian Piasts, voluntarily opened themselves up to Germanism by appointing Germans to high offices in the state and in ecclesiastical structures and marrying princesses from German noble houses, which resulted in kinship ties to the German high nobility. The fact that the Griffin and the Silesian Piast were senior Polish dukes and the most powerful sovereigns in the first half of the 13th century further favoured eastern colonisation and the spread of Germanism in Silesia and beyond its borders. The deslavisation and the corresponding Germanisation took place peacefully and was not a brutal German land seizure of Polish territories - however, conflicts resulting from a lack of consideration of the interests of the local indigenous population through the process of eastern settlement between the long-established Poles and the immigrants, the majority of whom did not speak Slavic, cannot be ruled out. Only at the end of the 13th century and from the beginning of the 14th century did a contrary movement begin, whereby the cultural-economic dominance and influence of Germanism in the core provinces of Poland (Lesser and Greater Poland) was pushed back and which led to the repolonisation of wide swathes of land and many towns."
It seems that leaving out entirely the origins of the Ethnic German minority in Poland which will become very relevant later on when it comes to Post-WWII violent expropriation, expulsions and the transfer of half a million Ethnic Germans to forced labour camps - does not add to the integrity of the article. Hisredrighthand ⚔Tally-ho!⚔ 22:53, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
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81.66.219.75 ( talk) 15:17, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
The biggest layer of polish colonization history is not presented fairly. Ukrainians were deprived of their own houses, land and lives and became polish property. 81.66.219.75 ( talk) 15:21, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
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Change "case of successful elective king" to "case of a successful elective king" at the "First elective kings" section of Establishment. Meteorname ( talk) 16:55, 16 January 2024 (UTC)