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Every art museum has one or two pieces that are the anchors of their collection. For instance, at the MoMA, people who know very little about other art make a beeline for Starry Night. Do people know the major pieces of the other collections? It would be worth adding.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Danny ( talk • contribs) 31 July 2002
It seems to me that the only reasonable thing to do with this page is to move it to New York Museum of Modern Art and make the current Museum of Modern Art a disambiguation page. New York's is not the only museum with this name, so it should not be on this page. Unless somebody can provide a good argument why not, I will move the page and edit all the pages that link to it to link to New York Museum of Modern Art where that is the intended meaning. (unsigned)
It should be added here that it is a fact that the Museum of Modern Art (MoMA) in New York was the first such museum ever founded to collect solely modern art under any title, and was the inventor of the whole concept of modern art museums. Indeed, all other museums have followed its example--its influence has been enormous. By rights, the Museum of Modern Art holds this title exclusively to itself. Further discussion is unnecessary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.175.113.139 ( talk) 20:58, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
The preceding unsigned comment is incorrect. MoMA was not the first museum to collect solely modern art. That title actually belongs to the Société Anonyme whose founding predates that of MoMA by nine years. The Société, founded by Katherine Dreier, Marcel Duchamp and Man Ray, actually held the first exhibitions in America for Alexander Archipenko, Wassily Kandinsky, Paul Klee, and Ferdinand Leger, among others, all before MoMA was ever founded. The Museum of Modern Art didn't even hold that title exclusively to itself, either. The full title of the Société Anonyme was "Société Anonyme: Museum of Modern Art" (though Dreier later added the date 1920 to the end of the title to distinguish it from MoMA). All of this was conceded to even by MoMA founding board member Nelson Rockefeller in a letter to Katherine Dreier on the 30th of April 1950, which is reprinted in the article “An Artist’s Museum” by Jennifer R. Gross, in the exhibition catalogue The Société Anonyme: Modernism for America (page 5).
To that end, despite it's being footnoted, it is further incorrect for the article on MoMA to state that MoMA was the "first of its kind in Manhattan to exhibit European modernism." During the Société Anonyme’s first year alone, they held eight exhibitions of European modernism in their gallery at 19 East 47th street, including the aforementioned first American showing of the work of Archipenko. (again, this information is all in Jennifer Gross’s article as well as the Beinecke archives at Yale ). I'm not sure about the protocol of these things, so I don't want to leap in and change it myself... Duschamp ( talk) 00:55, 20 April 2008 (UTC). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.175.114.121 ( talk) 10:34, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
I think that what is being said here is that the "MoMA" was the first museum established permanently and fixedly anywhere that called itself simply (and not as with another, primary title like "Societe Anonyme") "The Museum of Modern Art," and while surely the above post is right in saying that the Societe Anonyme has precedence in terms of the idea, that collection, which I have always read was meant to be a traveling one (at least initially), neither survived as an independent entity or had the overwhelming/ongoing influence of Barr's institution (please correct me if I am wrong on that count). But, in any case, the important point here is that MoMA has the right to call itself "MoMA", which is a fact hardly invalidated by the above comment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ckkgourmet ( talk • contribs) 17:03, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
It is obvious that the Museum of Modern Art should refer to the one in New York because it is US-ian and everyone knows that the US trumps every other country in everything. The US has the most culture, the most history, the most literature, the most art, the most intelligence, the most style. It has the bigly-est president, who is the most intelligent ever. And the most knowledge about everythng, in the huge encyclopedia... the Wikipedia. The US is the world. The rest of the world is just a side-show. added on 14 February 2019 by User:86.175.56.67 ( contributions).
This article needs expansion. There is no mention of the original building, an important International Style design. There is little discussion of the history of curators, important exhibitions, publications, MOMA as a cultural force, etc. The article could be reclassified as "Start Class' until it is expanded. Chesterct ( talk) 02:04, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Why does the history section of this article end in 1939? The subsequent history with curators after Alfred Barr and the maturation of MOMA as an institution would seem to be worth addressing Sullivanesque ( talk) 20:17, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
Hello, I would like to propose some organizational edits to the MoMA page, and also to propose to add more images- this is a major art museum, so perhaps it should have more than one image presented. Anyone have any to offer? Any comments on the addition of a content box and headings? Below are four examples, which would go after the introduction:
Painting is allready represented in this article, but there is a diversity of art media at MoMA, so we should show that without too long of a list.
Under this might be included all the building / facility related info, of which there is alot already in the article, and potentially alot more.
Two off the top of my head to write about are below, and there are more:
The International Style: Architecture Since 1922, curators: Philip Johnson, Henry-Russell Hitchcock Jr. 1932.
Deconstructivist Architecture, curators Philip Johnson and Mark Wigley. 1988.
Maybe here where we discuss the affiliation with P.S.1, difference to the Met., Louvre, etc. Please tell me what you think Davidrowe 03:14, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
I'm adding the Eameses, Noguchi, and some others to the list of designers whose works are in MOMA's collection. All can be confirmed at moma.org. R 16:37, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
There were photo curators besides Steichen and Szarkowski. Beaumont Newhall may have been the first; Peter Galassi is the current one; there may have been others.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.237.17.165 ( talk • contribs) 9 January 2006
What about modern art in other countries? Has anyone seen the Istanbul Modern. www.paulcooklin.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.104.46.205 ( talk • contribs) 5 October 2006
Anybody know MOMA's actual street address? Trekphiler 09:16, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
User 82.66.141.162 has made some major additions to the MOMA article, alleging CIA sponsorship of / involvement with the MOMA. I've removed this text.
I'm not in a position to judge whether this text is well-founded or not. I've removed it because, honestly, it's just not within the scope of this page. This page is a brief overview of the museum, its collection, and its history, and this text is far too narrowly focused. Secondly, regardless of their accuracy, controversial edits like this must be well-sourced, with a wide range of references. This text needs to be much better-sourced if it's to be included in Wikipedia. I suggest creating a separate page for this text, under its own title, and hashing out the quality issues (and NPOV issues) there.
Best, -- Docether 20:52, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
I´ve noticed the disambiguation page states only "For the São Francisco Museum of Modern Art...". I don´t think this seems adequate. There are thousands of museums all over the world which are named "Museum of Modern Art", like São Paulo, Rio de Janeiro, Mexico City, etc. Dornicke 19:48, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
The appellation of the subject museum is "The Museum of Modern Art" (see moma.org, the museum's official site, for that styling plastered all over (that is, when they don't use the "MoMA" common-use style) and i have conformed artcicle to reflect that (capping the The). However, I'm not skilled enough to emend the article's title to "Museum of Modern Art (The)" to complete my task. Perhaps a more-skilled wiki editor can do this? (btw, how does one get this symbol "|" from their keyboard?)-- 68.173.2.68 ( talk) 12:46, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
This article makes claims of greatness by third people without providing sources. Also, such claims of greatness are not very encyclopedic. -- Karljoos ( talk) 19:45, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
Is it relevant information for an article? -- Karljoos ( talk) 19:45, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
Please note this museum is participating in the Wikipedia:Wikipedia Loves Art ([Wikipedia:Wikipedia Loves Art/Museum of Modern Art]]). All interested editors are invited to participate in this project.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 18:40, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
It's terrific that the image of Malevich's "White on White" is being displayed, but it's not being displayed correctly. The white square is in the upper left corner and is skewed towards the upper left corner. Or for clarification go see the painting on display at the museum. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.20.93.123 ( talk) 05:06, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
Is a fair use image as is Broadway Boogie Woogie,, unlike the other images used in the gallery which are pd... Modernist ( talk) 11:40, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
As the new Wikipedia-in-Residence fostering institutional cooperation at the the Museum of Modern Art, I'd love to invite all interested Wikipedians to come participate! Let me also know if you have any further questions about this project (see also Wikipedia:GLAM/MoMA/Members).-- Pharos ( talk) 15:59, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
An editor is deleting images that have valid reasons for being in this article and valid Fair use Rationales. Please vent your opinions I'd like others input. I think the images should stay... Modernist ( talk) 00:50, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
These are not the points. This fails WP:NFCC#1, and is overuse of non-free material. The depiction of the work is replaceable by a link to the page about the painting. Yes, you are all right that depiction would give a fairer overview, but that is the same reasoning as 'I am driving 130 Mph here, even though I am allowed to do only 50 Mph, because driving 130 brings me home at least twice as fast'. You feel that certain decades are under-represented, you can also look at it that the others are overrepresented. Maybe a couple less images here would be fine, I can hardly follow the list of works anymore. -- Dirk Beetstra T C 11:58, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
But this really needs to go to Wikipedia:Media copyright questions with this issue. This needs the eye of NFCC specialists. -- Dirk Beetstra T C 12:31, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
I've dealt with non-free image policy on Wikipedia for a long time, and I have years of experience with questions at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions, Wikipedia:Possibly unfree files, and Wikipedia:Files for deletion. We deal with questions like this one perennially, and every time the non-free images have to be removed from articles that aren't specifically about the subject, in order to comply with policy. If you want a more definitive answer, feel free to nominate the article at Wikipedia:Non-free content review. But I seriously doubt you'll get the answer you're looking for. All the best, – Quadell ( talk) 16:54, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
In this version of Glenn D. Lowry, the current version as I write, I converted a couple of external links into references for details that may also need coverage here. Apparently the museum went to unusual lengths and methods to assemble a financial package that would attract Lowry to the museum back in the 1990s. A related topic is the significant and disproportionate increase in admission price since the mid-1990s, though I haven't done any internet searches to determine what the history of its admission price has been or to confirm whether the ticket price increases are unusual when compare to other museums. 67.101.5.213 ( talk) 20:50, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
Could someone add this if you have the time please? 1 Regards, Reh man 04:05, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
Having the gallery imagery flush left is visually efficient and easier to read on small screens. My preference is to keep the imagery as is... Modernist ( talk) 12:28, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
The article has several
indiscriminate "list of names" sections. If these names are worth mentioning, aren't they supposed to be incorporated into prose? My recommendation, if there is consensus or no objection, is to move the lists here to the talk page, and to work the names into the prose where appropriate.
czar
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13:18, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
==Officers and the Board of Trustees==
... (prose) ...
- Honorary Chairman – David Rockefeller
- Honorary Chairman – Ronald S. Lauder
- Chairman Emeritus – Robert B. Menschel
- President Emerita – Agnes Gund
- President Emeritus – Donald B. Marron
- Chairman – Jerry I. Speyer
- President – Marie-Josée Kravis
- Vice Chairmen
- Sid R. Bass
- Leon D. Black
- Mimi Haas
- Richard E. Salomon
- Director – Glenn D. Lowry
- Treasurer – Richard E. Salomon
- Assistant Treasurer – James Gara
- Secretary – Patty Lipshultz
===Board of Trustees===
- Board of Trustees
- Wallis Annenberg
- Sid R. Bass
- Lawrence B. Benenson
- Leon D. Black
- Clarissa Alcock Bronfman
- Donald L. Bryant, Jr.
- Patricia Phelps de Cisneros
- Paula Crown
- David Dechman
- Glenn Dubin
- Joel S. Ehrenkranz
- John Elkann
- Laurence D. Fink
- Kathleen Fuld
- Howard Gardner
- Anne Dias-Griffin
- Agnes Gund
- Mimi Haas
- Alexandra A. Herzan
- Marlene Hess
- Jill Kraus
- Marie-Josée Kravis
- Ronald S. Lauder
- Thomas H. Lee
- Michael Lynne
- Donald B. Marron
- Philip S. Niarchos
- James G. Niven
- Peter Norton
- Maja Oeri
- Michael S. Ovitz
- Richard D. Parsons
- Emily Rauh Pulitzer
- David Rockefeller, Jr.
- Sharon Percy Rockefeller
- Richard E. Salomon
- Marcus Samuelsson
- Anna Marie Shapiro
- Anna Deavere Smith
- Jerry I. Speyer
- Ricardo Steinbruch
- Alice M. Tisch
- Edgar Wachenheim III
- Gary Winnick
====Life Trustees====
- Celeste Bartos
- Eli Broad
- Douglas S. Cramer
- Gianluigi Gabetti
- Barbara Jakobson
- Werner H. Kramarsky
- June Noble Larkin
- Donald Marron
- Robert B. Menschel
- Peter G. Peterson
- Gifford Phillips
- David Rockefeller
- Joanne M. Stern
- Jeanne C. Thayer
- Joan Tisch
- Honorary Trustees
- Lin Arison
- Mrs. Jan Cowles
- Lewis B. Cullman
- H.R.H. Duke Franz of Bavaria
- Maurice R. Greenberg
- Wynton Marsalis
- Richard E. Oldenburg*
- Carroll Petrie
- Richard Rogers
- Ted Sann
- Gilbert Silverman
- Yoshio Taniguchi
- David Teiger
- Eugene V. Thaw
==Directors==
- Glenn D. Lowry (1995-)
- Richard Oldenburg (1972-1995)
- John Brantley Hightower (1970-1972)
- Bates Lowry (1968-1969)
- Rene d'Harnoncourt (1949-1968)
- No director (1943-1949) (job was handled by the chairman of the museum's Coordinaton Committee and Director of Curatorial Department) [Directors 1] [Directors 2]
- Alfred H. Barr, Jr. (1929-1943)
==Chief Curators==
- Klaus Biesenbach Director of MoMA PS1 and Chief Curator at Large from 2009
- Barry Bergdoll, Chief Curator of Architecture and Design from 2007
- Sabine Breitwieser, Chief Curator of Media and Performance Art from 2010
- Connie Butler, Chief Curator of Drawings from 2005
- Quentin Bajac, Chief Curator of Photography from 2012
- Rajendra Roy, Chief Curator of Film from 2007
- Ann Temkin, Chief Curator of Painting and Sculpture from 2008
- Christophe Cherix, Chief Curator of Prints and Illustrated Books from 2010
Notes (Directors)
- ^ "Promoted to Director Of Modern Art Museum". New York Times.
- ^ "A.H. BARR JR. RETIRES AT MODERN MUSEUM; Director Since 1929 to Devote His Full Time to Writing on Art". New York Times.
I condensed this section into a single sentence, linking to And babies article. The MoMA is constantly involved in controversies -- the exhibitions, funding, architecture, ticket prices, etc. Devoting a whole paragraph to this particular controversy was disproportionate. Everything in the paragraph is covered in detail in that article. Other controversies are already covered in other sections, so I don't know if we even need a "Controversies" section. -- Margin1522 ( talk) 22:28, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
See the Removing imagery images section above [3]- this has been argued ad infinitum... Modernist ( talk) 01:18, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
It is pretty common to caption a photo with the title of the work listed first—that is what you are looking at—rather than the name of the artist who produced it. I have changed all the listings to title, artist, year in both the list and the captions.
I still feel all the text needs to come before the gallery rather than breaking the reading flow with images and then returning to more information about the collection.
By using "undo this edit", a few typos crept in; they've been fixed as well. 108.98.76.187 ( talk) 05:49, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
An important part of MoMA's collection. It has a fair use rationale and needs to be included in this article, absolutely in compliance with NFCC... Modernist ( talk) 23:28, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
@ Modernist, we should try to avoid "controversy" sections if possible. Can the section not be merged with the rest of the institution's thematic history? – czar 14:06, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
The nonfree image is the subject of commentary in the article only insofar as it relates to a dispute over ownership of the painting. As such, it falls squarely under WP:NFC#UUI, which states plainly that this type of nonfree image use is unacceptable: "An image to illustrate an article passage about the image, if the image has its own article (in which case the image may be described and a link provided to the article about the image)". The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) ( talk) 16:35, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
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Research has been done on MoMA's socio-cultural impact and should be included in the MoMA article. Adding such research is central to understanding the museum, its impact on society and history, including the museum's role as a gate-keeper, and understanding the present context of the museum.
The research is peer-reviewed, published and empirically based. Acting as if this is an opinion is a poor rhetorical attempt to retain rights to censorship. Denial and deletion is not research nor evidence. Deleting referenced academic work and empirically based facts about the MOMA is simply suppression of information and bullying. If the editor can offer published empirical work that refutes the fact the MoMA serves as an important gate-keeper in the art world, then it can be used to balance the facts presented in the edit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BarbTorba ( talk • contribs) 20:23, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Museum of Modern Art's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
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What a gross, US-centric presumption to call one of their museums "the" Museum of Modern Art. The are numerous such museums sounds the world. That a US institution cause itself such and that a would-be encyclopaedia defends the stance says much about the US's opinion of itself.
A more neutral, encyclopaedic title would be "The Museum of Modern Art (New York)" or "The Museum of Modern Art (US of A)" 86.191.214.39 ( talk) 20:44, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
Can't find if it's already been discussed in the talk page before, but it seems there are competing claims for the "first" museum devoted to modern art in the United States. The Phillips Collection explicitly calls itself "America's first modern art museum," and the article for the Phillips includes that claim. This article for MoMA claims in the lede that MoMA was the first. The Phillips opened first, but they have some very small holdings of pre-modern art (a few El Grecos, mainly) despite being a modern & contemporary museum. Anyone have any insight as to which claim should be preserved on here? 19h00s ( talk) 21:17, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
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Every art museum has one or two pieces that are the anchors of their collection. For instance, at the MoMA, people who know very little about other art make a beeline for Starry Night. Do people know the major pieces of the other collections? It would be worth adding.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Danny ( talk • contribs) 31 July 2002
It seems to me that the only reasonable thing to do with this page is to move it to New York Museum of Modern Art and make the current Museum of Modern Art a disambiguation page. New York's is not the only museum with this name, so it should not be on this page. Unless somebody can provide a good argument why not, I will move the page and edit all the pages that link to it to link to New York Museum of Modern Art where that is the intended meaning. (unsigned)
It should be added here that it is a fact that the Museum of Modern Art (MoMA) in New York was the first such museum ever founded to collect solely modern art under any title, and was the inventor of the whole concept of modern art museums. Indeed, all other museums have followed its example--its influence has been enormous. By rights, the Museum of Modern Art holds this title exclusively to itself. Further discussion is unnecessary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.175.113.139 ( talk) 20:58, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
The preceding unsigned comment is incorrect. MoMA was not the first museum to collect solely modern art. That title actually belongs to the Société Anonyme whose founding predates that of MoMA by nine years. The Société, founded by Katherine Dreier, Marcel Duchamp and Man Ray, actually held the first exhibitions in America for Alexander Archipenko, Wassily Kandinsky, Paul Klee, and Ferdinand Leger, among others, all before MoMA was ever founded. The Museum of Modern Art didn't even hold that title exclusively to itself, either. The full title of the Société Anonyme was "Société Anonyme: Museum of Modern Art" (though Dreier later added the date 1920 to the end of the title to distinguish it from MoMA). All of this was conceded to even by MoMA founding board member Nelson Rockefeller in a letter to Katherine Dreier on the 30th of April 1950, which is reprinted in the article “An Artist’s Museum” by Jennifer R. Gross, in the exhibition catalogue The Société Anonyme: Modernism for America (page 5).
To that end, despite it's being footnoted, it is further incorrect for the article on MoMA to state that MoMA was the "first of its kind in Manhattan to exhibit European modernism." During the Société Anonyme’s first year alone, they held eight exhibitions of European modernism in their gallery at 19 East 47th street, including the aforementioned first American showing of the work of Archipenko. (again, this information is all in Jennifer Gross’s article as well as the Beinecke archives at Yale ). I'm not sure about the protocol of these things, so I don't want to leap in and change it myself... Duschamp ( talk) 00:55, 20 April 2008 (UTC). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.175.114.121 ( talk) 10:34, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
I think that what is being said here is that the "MoMA" was the first museum established permanently and fixedly anywhere that called itself simply (and not as with another, primary title like "Societe Anonyme") "The Museum of Modern Art," and while surely the above post is right in saying that the Societe Anonyme has precedence in terms of the idea, that collection, which I have always read was meant to be a traveling one (at least initially), neither survived as an independent entity or had the overwhelming/ongoing influence of Barr's institution (please correct me if I am wrong on that count). But, in any case, the important point here is that MoMA has the right to call itself "MoMA", which is a fact hardly invalidated by the above comment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ckkgourmet ( talk • contribs) 17:03, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
It is obvious that the Museum of Modern Art should refer to the one in New York because it is US-ian and everyone knows that the US trumps every other country in everything. The US has the most culture, the most history, the most literature, the most art, the most intelligence, the most style. It has the bigly-est president, who is the most intelligent ever. And the most knowledge about everythng, in the huge encyclopedia... the Wikipedia. The US is the world. The rest of the world is just a side-show. added on 14 February 2019 by User:86.175.56.67 ( contributions).
This article needs expansion. There is no mention of the original building, an important International Style design. There is little discussion of the history of curators, important exhibitions, publications, MOMA as a cultural force, etc. The article could be reclassified as "Start Class' until it is expanded. Chesterct ( talk) 02:04, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Why does the history section of this article end in 1939? The subsequent history with curators after Alfred Barr and the maturation of MOMA as an institution would seem to be worth addressing Sullivanesque ( talk) 20:17, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
Hello, I would like to propose some organizational edits to the MoMA page, and also to propose to add more images- this is a major art museum, so perhaps it should have more than one image presented. Anyone have any to offer? Any comments on the addition of a content box and headings? Below are four examples, which would go after the introduction:
Painting is allready represented in this article, but there is a diversity of art media at MoMA, so we should show that without too long of a list.
Under this might be included all the building / facility related info, of which there is alot already in the article, and potentially alot more.
Two off the top of my head to write about are below, and there are more:
The International Style: Architecture Since 1922, curators: Philip Johnson, Henry-Russell Hitchcock Jr. 1932.
Deconstructivist Architecture, curators Philip Johnson and Mark Wigley. 1988.
Maybe here where we discuss the affiliation with P.S.1, difference to the Met., Louvre, etc. Please tell me what you think Davidrowe 03:14, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
I'm adding the Eameses, Noguchi, and some others to the list of designers whose works are in MOMA's collection. All can be confirmed at moma.org. R 16:37, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
There were photo curators besides Steichen and Szarkowski. Beaumont Newhall may have been the first; Peter Galassi is the current one; there may have been others.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.237.17.165 ( talk • contribs) 9 January 2006
What about modern art in other countries? Has anyone seen the Istanbul Modern. www.paulcooklin.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.104.46.205 ( talk • contribs) 5 October 2006
Anybody know MOMA's actual street address? Trekphiler 09:16, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
User 82.66.141.162 has made some major additions to the MOMA article, alleging CIA sponsorship of / involvement with the MOMA. I've removed this text.
I'm not in a position to judge whether this text is well-founded or not. I've removed it because, honestly, it's just not within the scope of this page. This page is a brief overview of the museum, its collection, and its history, and this text is far too narrowly focused. Secondly, regardless of their accuracy, controversial edits like this must be well-sourced, with a wide range of references. This text needs to be much better-sourced if it's to be included in Wikipedia. I suggest creating a separate page for this text, under its own title, and hashing out the quality issues (and NPOV issues) there.
Best, -- Docether 20:52, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
I´ve noticed the disambiguation page states only "For the São Francisco Museum of Modern Art...". I don´t think this seems adequate. There are thousands of museums all over the world which are named "Museum of Modern Art", like São Paulo, Rio de Janeiro, Mexico City, etc. Dornicke 19:48, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
The appellation of the subject museum is "The Museum of Modern Art" (see moma.org, the museum's official site, for that styling plastered all over (that is, when they don't use the "MoMA" common-use style) and i have conformed artcicle to reflect that (capping the The). However, I'm not skilled enough to emend the article's title to "Museum of Modern Art (The)" to complete my task. Perhaps a more-skilled wiki editor can do this? (btw, how does one get this symbol "|" from their keyboard?)-- 68.173.2.68 ( talk) 12:46, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
This article makes claims of greatness by third people without providing sources. Also, such claims of greatness are not very encyclopedic. -- Karljoos ( talk) 19:45, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
Is it relevant information for an article? -- Karljoos ( talk) 19:45, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
Please note this museum is participating in the Wikipedia:Wikipedia Loves Art ([Wikipedia:Wikipedia Loves Art/Museum of Modern Art]]). All interested editors are invited to participate in this project.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 18:40, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
It's terrific that the image of Malevich's "White on White" is being displayed, but it's not being displayed correctly. The white square is in the upper left corner and is skewed towards the upper left corner. Or for clarification go see the painting on display at the museum. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.20.93.123 ( talk) 05:06, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
Is a fair use image as is Broadway Boogie Woogie,, unlike the other images used in the gallery which are pd... Modernist ( talk) 11:40, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
As the new Wikipedia-in-Residence fostering institutional cooperation at the the Museum of Modern Art, I'd love to invite all interested Wikipedians to come participate! Let me also know if you have any further questions about this project (see also Wikipedia:GLAM/MoMA/Members).-- Pharos ( talk) 15:59, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
An editor is deleting images that have valid reasons for being in this article and valid Fair use Rationales. Please vent your opinions I'd like others input. I think the images should stay... Modernist ( talk) 00:50, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
These are not the points. This fails WP:NFCC#1, and is overuse of non-free material. The depiction of the work is replaceable by a link to the page about the painting. Yes, you are all right that depiction would give a fairer overview, but that is the same reasoning as 'I am driving 130 Mph here, even though I am allowed to do only 50 Mph, because driving 130 brings me home at least twice as fast'. You feel that certain decades are under-represented, you can also look at it that the others are overrepresented. Maybe a couple less images here would be fine, I can hardly follow the list of works anymore. -- Dirk Beetstra T C 11:58, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
But this really needs to go to Wikipedia:Media copyright questions with this issue. This needs the eye of NFCC specialists. -- Dirk Beetstra T C 12:31, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
I've dealt with non-free image policy on Wikipedia for a long time, and I have years of experience with questions at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions, Wikipedia:Possibly unfree files, and Wikipedia:Files for deletion. We deal with questions like this one perennially, and every time the non-free images have to be removed from articles that aren't specifically about the subject, in order to comply with policy. If you want a more definitive answer, feel free to nominate the article at Wikipedia:Non-free content review. But I seriously doubt you'll get the answer you're looking for. All the best, – Quadell ( talk) 16:54, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
In this version of Glenn D. Lowry, the current version as I write, I converted a couple of external links into references for details that may also need coverage here. Apparently the museum went to unusual lengths and methods to assemble a financial package that would attract Lowry to the museum back in the 1990s. A related topic is the significant and disproportionate increase in admission price since the mid-1990s, though I haven't done any internet searches to determine what the history of its admission price has been or to confirm whether the ticket price increases are unusual when compare to other museums. 67.101.5.213 ( talk) 20:50, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
Could someone add this if you have the time please? 1 Regards, Reh man 04:05, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
Having the gallery imagery flush left is visually efficient and easier to read on small screens. My preference is to keep the imagery as is... Modernist ( talk) 12:28, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
The article has several
indiscriminate "list of names" sections. If these names are worth mentioning, aren't they supposed to be incorporated into prose? My recommendation, if there is consensus or no objection, is to move the lists here to the talk page, and to work the names into the prose where appropriate.
czar
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13:18, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
==Officers and the Board of Trustees==
... (prose) ...
- Honorary Chairman – David Rockefeller
- Honorary Chairman – Ronald S. Lauder
- Chairman Emeritus – Robert B. Menschel
- President Emerita – Agnes Gund
- President Emeritus – Donald B. Marron
- Chairman – Jerry I. Speyer
- President – Marie-Josée Kravis
- Vice Chairmen
- Sid R. Bass
- Leon D. Black
- Mimi Haas
- Richard E. Salomon
- Director – Glenn D. Lowry
- Treasurer – Richard E. Salomon
- Assistant Treasurer – James Gara
- Secretary – Patty Lipshultz
===Board of Trustees===
- Board of Trustees
- Wallis Annenberg
- Sid R. Bass
- Lawrence B. Benenson
- Leon D. Black
- Clarissa Alcock Bronfman
- Donald L. Bryant, Jr.
- Patricia Phelps de Cisneros
- Paula Crown
- David Dechman
- Glenn Dubin
- Joel S. Ehrenkranz
- John Elkann
- Laurence D. Fink
- Kathleen Fuld
- Howard Gardner
- Anne Dias-Griffin
- Agnes Gund
- Mimi Haas
- Alexandra A. Herzan
- Marlene Hess
- Jill Kraus
- Marie-Josée Kravis
- Ronald S. Lauder
- Thomas H. Lee
- Michael Lynne
- Donald B. Marron
- Philip S. Niarchos
- James G. Niven
- Peter Norton
- Maja Oeri
- Michael S. Ovitz
- Richard D. Parsons
- Emily Rauh Pulitzer
- David Rockefeller, Jr.
- Sharon Percy Rockefeller
- Richard E. Salomon
- Marcus Samuelsson
- Anna Marie Shapiro
- Anna Deavere Smith
- Jerry I. Speyer
- Ricardo Steinbruch
- Alice M. Tisch
- Edgar Wachenheim III
- Gary Winnick
====Life Trustees====
- Celeste Bartos
- Eli Broad
- Douglas S. Cramer
- Gianluigi Gabetti
- Barbara Jakobson
- Werner H. Kramarsky
- June Noble Larkin
- Donald Marron
- Robert B. Menschel
- Peter G. Peterson
- Gifford Phillips
- David Rockefeller
- Joanne M. Stern
- Jeanne C. Thayer
- Joan Tisch
- Honorary Trustees
- Lin Arison
- Mrs. Jan Cowles
- Lewis B. Cullman
- H.R.H. Duke Franz of Bavaria
- Maurice R. Greenberg
- Wynton Marsalis
- Richard E. Oldenburg*
- Carroll Petrie
- Richard Rogers
- Ted Sann
- Gilbert Silverman
- Yoshio Taniguchi
- David Teiger
- Eugene V. Thaw
==Directors==
- Glenn D. Lowry (1995-)
- Richard Oldenburg (1972-1995)
- John Brantley Hightower (1970-1972)
- Bates Lowry (1968-1969)
- Rene d'Harnoncourt (1949-1968)
- No director (1943-1949) (job was handled by the chairman of the museum's Coordinaton Committee and Director of Curatorial Department) [Directors 1] [Directors 2]
- Alfred H. Barr, Jr. (1929-1943)
==Chief Curators==
- Klaus Biesenbach Director of MoMA PS1 and Chief Curator at Large from 2009
- Barry Bergdoll, Chief Curator of Architecture and Design from 2007
- Sabine Breitwieser, Chief Curator of Media and Performance Art from 2010
- Connie Butler, Chief Curator of Drawings from 2005
- Quentin Bajac, Chief Curator of Photography from 2012
- Rajendra Roy, Chief Curator of Film from 2007
- Ann Temkin, Chief Curator of Painting and Sculpture from 2008
- Christophe Cherix, Chief Curator of Prints and Illustrated Books from 2010
Notes (Directors)
- ^ "Promoted to Director Of Modern Art Museum". New York Times.
- ^ "A.H. BARR JR. RETIRES AT MODERN MUSEUM; Director Since 1929 to Devote His Full Time to Writing on Art". New York Times.
I condensed this section into a single sentence, linking to And babies article. The MoMA is constantly involved in controversies -- the exhibitions, funding, architecture, ticket prices, etc. Devoting a whole paragraph to this particular controversy was disproportionate. Everything in the paragraph is covered in detail in that article. Other controversies are already covered in other sections, so I don't know if we even need a "Controversies" section. -- Margin1522 ( talk) 22:28, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
See the Removing imagery images section above [3]- this has been argued ad infinitum... Modernist ( talk) 01:18, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
It is pretty common to caption a photo with the title of the work listed first—that is what you are looking at—rather than the name of the artist who produced it. I have changed all the listings to title, artist, year in both the list and the captions.
I still feel all the text needs to come before the gallery rather than breaking the reading flow with images and then returning to more information about the collection.
By using "undo this edit", a few typos crept in; they've been fixed as well. 108.98.76.187 ( talk) 05:49, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
An important part of MoMA's collection. It has a fair use rationale and needs to be included in this article, absolutely in compliance with NFCC... Modernist ( talk) 23:28, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
@ Modernist, we should try to avoid "controversy" sections if possible. Can the section not be merged with the rest of the institution's thematic history? – czar 14:06, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
The nonfree image is the subject of commentary in the article only insofar as it relates to a dispute over ownership of the painting. As such, it falls squarely under WP:NFC#UUI, which states plainly that this type of nonfree image use is unacceptable: "An image to illustrate an article passage about the image, if the image has its own article (in which case the image may be described and a link provided to the article about the image)". The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) ( talk) 16:35, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
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Research has been done on MoMA's socio-cultural impact and should be included in the MoMA article. Adding such research is central to understanding the museum, its impact on society and history, including the museum's role as a gate-keeper, and understanding the present context of the museum.
The research is peer-reviewed, published and empirically based. Acting as if this is an opinion is a poor rhetorical attempt to retain rights to censorship. Denial and deletion is not research nor evidence. Deleting referenced academic work and empirically based facts about the MOMA is simply suppression of information and bullying. If the editor can offer published empirical work that refutes the fact the MoMA serves as an important gate-keeper in the art world, then it can be used to balance the facts presented in the edit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BarbTorba ( talk • contribs) 20:23, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Museum of Modern Art's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
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What a gross, US-centric presumption to call one of their museums "the" Museum of Modern Art. The are numerous such museums sounds the world. That a US institution cause itself such and that a would-be encyclopaedia defends the stance says much about the US's opinion of itself.
A more neutral, encyclopaedic title would be "The Museum of Modern Art (New York)" or "The Museum of Modern Art (US of A)" 86.191.214.39 ( talk) 20:44, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
Can't find if it's already been discussed in the talk page before, but it seems there are competing claims for the "first" museum devoted to modern art in the United States. The Phillips Collection explicitly calls itself "America's first modern art museum," and the article for the Phillips includes that claim. This article for MoMA claims in the lede that MoMA was the first. The Phillips opened first, but they have some very small holdings of pre-modern art (a few El Grecos, mainly) despite being a modern & contemporary museum. Anyone have any insight as to which claim should be preserved on here? 19h00s ( talk) 21:17, 8 January 2024 (UTC)