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Please remove pictures that depict Prophet Muhammad PBUH receiving revelation from Angel Jabriel as it is misleading, inaccurate, and offensive to Muslims.
Thank you 196.133.0.66 ( talk) 03:58, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
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04:36, 3 May 2020 (UTC)Why would you expect Wikipedia to follow the norms of your regligion? -- Khajidha ( talk) 14:24, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
Balolay implemented 2 changes to
Muhammad. First, s/he changed the criticism section from a level 2 heading to a level 3 heading. Second, s/he added a picture from the book
Inferno depicting Muhammad being tortured in Hell. I
reverted these changes, saying "criticism is part of the legacy; current image has no [encyclopedic value], the work in which Mohammed is criticised and depicted is not discussed.
" Balolay reverted me today a few days after my original revert. I suggest we follow
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Muhammad is not the Founder of Islam. Muhammad is the Last Prophet of Islam.
Nashah25 ( talk) 14:15, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
Actually if you search online you can find many sources saying that. And a *Majority* of Muslims believe that Muhammad is not the founder but the last prophet. Or we can give the Quran as a source Rahbab Chowdhury ( talk) 21:11, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
And this isn't what I *personally* believe. All Muslims universally accept this Rahbab Chowdhury ( talk) 21:13, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
I agree that Muhammad was not the founder of Islam. The word Muslim is used for all those who followed the messenger/ prophet sent to them from Adam to now. Mikhail8881 ( talk) 16:45, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
Right people is it that hard to just write PBUH after the last holy prophets name, or is that politically incorrect - as it would seem “the recommended to remove” is a bit harsh and seriously lacks respect. LightningDTB ( talk) 02:39, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
Also isn’t it possible to have a separate page to address the belief of Shiites - although relatively they’re not truly deemed Muslims for in the month of Muharram they commit a huge sin of self infliction - which they do to seek retribution for the crimes of their ancestors at Karbala . LightningDTB ( talk) 02:43, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
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Replace 609–632 CE as religious leader with 609–present CE as religious leader as he is still the leader of Islam even if he died 🌸 1.Ayana 🌸 ( talk) 10:28, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
Muhammad is written as the founder of Islam. However he is not. Muslims include Adam and Eve etc. Everyone who followed the prophet/messenger sent to them is a Muslim in Islam. Muhammad was the one who gave it the name Islam. I request that you change this. Mikhail8881 ( talk) 16:43, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
I also think that picture shouldn't belong here as it is already present on other articles however the article deserves a separate section on criticism of Muhammad which is an extensive topic on its own and deserves a place in the article. Before my changes it wasn't even properly discussed in the legacy at all. Balolay ( talk) 09:22, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
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Remove the words “and he was founder of islam” islam existed since adam so Islam is not a new religion which was founded by muhammad(pbuh) Junaid1068 ( talk) 01:03, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
Khadijah I don’t know if you are a muslim or not but the religion muhammad pbuh started(as you think) was since the time of memorial. Even the first human being that is Adam was a follower of Islam....so spreading a misconception that Prophet Muhammad Pbuh is the founder of Islam is wrong because it makes people think that Islam is religion which was founded 1400 hundred years ago. Hope you do your research properly and then make statements......Thankyou Junaid1068 ( talk) 18:59, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
It is a historical fact that Islam existed before Prophet Muhammad pbuh because Prophet Moses was also a muslim and Prophet Jesus was also a muslim. Junaid1068 ( talk) 00:24, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
Mythological assertions generally hold much less weight than factual or scientific proof. 2605:A601:A880:8C00:A1D8:3E79:27E3:A581 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 00:51, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
You are rejecting this request as per your thinking and if you want talk about facts then even you would know that Islam “By scientifically FACTS” has been said to 80% out of 100% to be true 100% the remaining 20% is ambiguous (neither right nor wrong) and out of that 20% not even 0.00001% has been proved wrong. So “SCEINTIFICALLY” islam is right.
As you were saying that Jesus was a Christian. Let me tell you this Sister even Jesus was a muslim Because as per your “Wikipedia Definition”a Muslim mean submitting your will to god
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslims#cite_note-28
And the person who submits its will to god is a muslim read and “CROSS VERIFY” all what I’m saying
“I can of myself do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is righteous; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.” John 5:30 ASV Here it says Jesus Saying “I seek not my will but the will of who has sent me” As I mentioned above the definition of a muslim as per your “WIKIPEDIA”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslims#cite_note-28
And Muslim believed in one god same what Jesus believed in if you check bible
“Jesus answered, The first is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God, the Lord is one:” Mark 12:29 ASV
And as per your other Saying that jesus is god in bible check this he is been said to be a “MAN” .
“Ye men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God unto you by mighty works and wonders and signs which God did by him in the midst of you, even as ye yourselves know;” Acts 2:22 ASV
Nowhere in the bible Jesus says by “Himself” that He is God or Worship him
What People believe is the saying of the church not the Bible.
And BEFORE Stating any facts please check your OWN facts and refresh them Junaid1068 ( talk) 18:38, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
So on which basis you made the article that Muhammad (pbuh) is the founder of Islam.. What proof you have? Junaid1068 ( talk) 19:41, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
And i don’t think you read the article from my answer that I gave Muslim is an “ARABIC WORD” and its meaning in English is submitter Check this Article from Wikipedia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslims#cite_note-28 Junaid1068 ( talk) 19:48, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
You saying this proves that its an arabic word check this article https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslims#cite_note-28 Its written Muslim is an Arabic word Junaid1068 ( talk) 19:54, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
So that means the article which is written on Wikipedia is wrong so we should see the Original source,...is that what you want to say? Junaid1068 ( talk) 20:02, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
The definition could be wrong also as the person who defined it didn’t had the actual knowledge of the meaning of the text/word because he/she heard of it somewhereelse same as this the person who wrote the definition of Muslim in english didn’t had the actual knowledge of the meaning of the word. Junaid1068 ( talk) 21:21, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
Like you said you can’t believe in the holy books. So now how can u ask me to believe in the dictionaries, maybe the people who wrote that dictionary didn’t knew the meaning of the word because even they wrote the meaning of the Muslim just by what they heard from others Junaid1068 ( talk) 02:04, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
I agree if the English wants to know the Muslims he is gonna have to use the word in English, but a word can’t make you understand the whole scenario in what “context” it was written, is more important Junaid1068 ( talk) 09:18, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
But like your “WIKIPEDIA” says that Muslim is an ARABIC WORD so it should be seen as it is,Actual meaning in Arabic Junaid1068 ( talk) 11:03, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
Even you proved my point by saying the representation of the source was wrong same way the source from which you took about muhammad is represented wrong Junaid1068 ( talk) 00:08, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
You just proved what I have been trying to make you understand that calling a word in other language With the same pronunciation and spelling doesn’t change the word’s meaning. Like you said telephone is a greek word and has the same meaning which it means in english compared to as in greek so why are you changing the meaning of the word Muslim. Junaid1068 ( talk) 01:27, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
I know we are talking about a man(Mohammad pbuh) but the topic I was telling you about was that he was not the founder of Islam. Islam existed before Muhammad so to prove it I have to prove that even Muslims existed before him like Jesus(pbuh). So to prove that Muslims existed before Muhammad I have to talk you through what actually Muslim word means and that even Bible in it says the same for Jesus(pbuh). And as you gave the example of “Somberor” in spanish it means a general hat and in english it means a specific hat, but in the end it means in both of them the same that is hat. Like that “siso” means in english the same as in the hindi, it a play thing that is in park for children Junaid1068 ( talk) 09:03, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
First of all pilgrimage of mecca was done even before muhammad its there since Abraham check it here
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Hajj
And before Quran was given to Muhammad pbuh as he didn’t had the first revelation before he was 40 ,muslims were supposed to believe in Injeel(Gospel) which was given to Isa(Jesus) pbuh.
The english speaker that you talk about weren’t present at the time Before muhammad pbuh and after muhammad pbuh so whatever the english speakers “saying” are they are just theories without any proof.
Junaid1068 ( talk) 14:35, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
Like you said it says as per “the islamic writers believe”, same like this the least you can do is mention as per Non-islamic tradition Or as per the Historians it is believed that Muhammad is the founder of Islam or you can write it as per the Islamic tradition it is believed that Muhammad is not the founder of Islam but with the sentence even mention this(as per Historians or Non-Islamic) just don’t directly write that he is the founder of Islam because it gives wrong information to other. Junaid1068 ( talk) 01:02, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
The least you can do is include “according to English language definition of Islam Muhammad is the founder of Islam” this is the least you can do to give the right information to other.
“The belief was a foolish one built on lies and misinformation.” —Jason Medina Junaid1068 ( talk) 12:46, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
Given the majority non muslims will search about him and they will get the wrong information about it. In your inversion your first statement is wrong and the second statement is right that muhammad was the Last prophet in the series.
Lastly Its you who knows that its the English definition but not everyone knows that everyone is gonna think its the Islamic definition. Even dis is also like a “well,duh” Situation.
And providing people with wrong information is on you as you are the editor of the article Junaid1068 ( talk) 14:50, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
When a person reads about something he already presumes that Its the definition of that thing not that its the English definition about it.
Secondly it is mentioned “He is viewed as the final prophet of God in all the main branches of Islam, though some modern denominations diverge from this belief.” Like here you have mentioned that “modern denominations diverge from this belief” but for muhammad is the founder of the islam you don’t want to mention that muslims disagree with this statement is hypocrisy You at the least mention that it is believed by archaeologists that Muhammad is the founder of the Islam but Muslims disagree with this statement. Junaid1068 ( talk) 20:02, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
Nowhere it is mentioned in the article of the disagreement of muslims and Even it is somewhere where I haven’t been able to find it, it should be mentioned next to the line where it says that “Muhammad is the founder of islam” but Muslims disagree with it. Junaid1068 ( talk) 20:52, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
Maybe I don’t speak for all brands but all the brands are gonna support this point which I’m trying to make you understand and yes even i believe at this point, even you are just Bludgeoning. Junaid1068 ( talk) 22:50, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
Madam I don’t understand that including this statement that “Muslim don’t agree with Muhammad being the founder of Islam” would be harmful in anyway but in fact it will help to clear the misconception of people. Junaid1068 ( talk) 12:59, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
This discussion has been going on for ten days now, and it is clear to any outsider it is not going anywhere. Wikipedia talk pages are not forums, they only serve to engage constructively on how to improve the article. In that spirit, starting this discussion was perfectly ok, but the discussion has run its course. It is perfectly clear we will not make the proposed change; there is no consensus for it, and it is contrary to policy. Jeppiz ( talk) 11:12, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
I have tried making u understand(with proves and logic) but you have been acting on your accords, my job was to convey the message and that i have done but if you want keep it as per your convenience the sin for that is on you. Junaid1068 ( talk) 14:54, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
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Muhammad was a prophet of Allah and the last messenger according to Muslims. Upon whom Quran was revealed on wich is the last book of God. The Muhammad was known to be one of the finest personalities whose honesty and simplicity was known among all the tribes. 115.42.71.130 ( talk) 00:50, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
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It is not Muhammad, it is Mihammad PBUH Sameerazamalmadni ( talk) 15:25, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
The second paragraph of the leading section states:
Born approximately 570 CE ( Year of the Elephant) in the Arabian city of Mecca, Muhammad was orphaned at the age of six. . . . When he was 40, Muhammad reported being visited by Gabriel in the cave, and receiving his first revelation from God. Three years later, in 610, Muhammad started preaching these revelations publicly, . . .
Shouldn't it be "Three years later, in 613, . . ."? — UnladenSwallow ( talk) 00:06, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
The Quran was actually revealed through the Holy Spirit. Quran 16:102 says: "Say [O Muhammad], the Holy Spirit has brought it [the Quran] from thy Lord in Truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as a Guide and Glad Tidings to the Muslims.". The pronoun "it" in this verse refers to the Quran because the word Quran is mentioned in the last verses before this verse. Notice that Quran 16 is a Meccan Surah, which means it was revealed relatively early.-- Commenter7 ( talk) 07:56, 12 June 2020 (UTC) The Archangel Gabriel was a companion of Muhammad and supported him in his battles (for example, he descended with thousands of angels during the battle of Badr "see Quran 3:125" and this Hadith for example), but the Quran itself was revealed through the Holy Spirit not through Gabriel.-- Commenter7 ( talk) 08:04, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
The story about Gabriel bringing the revelation to Muhammad is most likely false. It seems to stem from some hadiths attributed to Aisha only. Many hadiths attributed to Aisha are incorrect.-- Commenter7 ( talk) 03:03, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
The first verses of Surah al-Muddathir were the first verses revealed to Muhammad. They were revealed after Muhammad saw God on the the clear horizon sitting on His Throne. (See Quran 81:23, and this Hadith for example "although the quality of the English translation provided on that website is very poor").-- Commenter7 ( talk) 03:37, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
Prophet muhammad (s. a) not founderof islam SHAJAHAN ADIKADALAYI ( talk) 15:16, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
Hello all, as we can see, this talk page is still used by people proposing to remove the images of Muhammad. I suggest adding the "Important notice" box as a edit notice of this talk page, so we remind people that don't read the banners at the page before clicking "new section". -- MrClog ( talk) 18:24, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
Mohammed peace be up on him is not the founder of Islam, infact He is the final prophet of islam religion and Islam is there on earth since the man sets his foot in earth. As per Islamic teachings Adam peace be up on him was the first human being on earth and first prophet of Islam as well. Please correct the statement on this page as Mohamed peace be up on him is the founder Islam. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8f8:1d39:ea13:e5e8:8b29:1909:483c ( talk) 18:06, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
As the above editor said, from a historical perspective Muhammad founded Islam. From your religious perspective, you may see things differently. But, facts don't lie or changed based on personal desire. 2605:A601:A880:8C00:34F2:BF61:921D:81E3 ( talk) 22:33, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
Kuran says about prayer in kuran and also about the fasting and even tells if you can't fast you must feed the poor for that. So the sentence that says its just sunnah should be changed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shahid699 ( talk • contribs) 10:44, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
In Sura 2/Chapter AlBaqara :
O you who have believed, decreed upon you is fasting as it was decreed upon those before you that you may become righteous - (183) [Fasting for] a limited number of days. So whoever among you is ill or on a journey [during them] - then an equal number of days [are to be made up]. And upon those who are able [to fast, but with hardship] - a ransom [as substitute] of feeding a poor person [each day]. And whoever volunteers excess - it is better for him. But to fast is best for you, if you only knew. (184) The month of Ramadhan [is that] in which was revealed the Qur'an, a guidance for the people and clear proofs of guidance and criterion. So whoever sights [the new moon of] the month, let him fast it; and whoever is ill or on a journey - then an equal number of other days. Allah intends for you ease and does not intend for you hardship and [wants] for you to complete the period and to glorify Allah for that [to] which He has guided you; and perhaps you will be grateful. (185)
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WaleedAhmadAddas ( talk) 14:01, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
No, an interpretation of the Quran is not (necessarily) Sunnah but is considered an understanding reached by a reader of the Quranic text and this should be performed in accordance to the rules of EXEGESIS. /info/en/?search=Exegesis.
To be fair to the questioner, the verse DOES allude (implicitly) to the five/multiplicity of daily prayers but is not explicit of the total five. As for indentation, am not sure what is meant here as my replies are all in separate paras WaleedAhmadAddas ( talk) 17:39, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
Dear Wikipedia,
In the article on Muhammad, the last Prophet of Islam, you had a section on criticism for marriage 0f Aisha at a very young age. This CLAIM HAS now been refuted by validated and corroborated research. In so, AND out of transparency, you may kindly update and add the footnote that a new research (by Dr Adnan Ibrahim) has shown that the marriage was consummated when Aisha was above 18.
See page 19 and 20 in the link of the university of Leiden research below.
Thanks for your updating the page.
(personal email removed)
https://zenodo.org/record/259600/files/12866608_A_Modern_Matn_Criticism_on_the_Tradition.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by WaleedAhmadAddas ( talk • contribs) 16:42, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for your feedback and also for your action to amend the sections, accordingly. The evidence brought forward (See the link of the university of Leiden research above) is overwhelming and may even deserve a new wiki page altogether on Aisha's Age at Marriage?
I hope to be of further support.— Preceding unsigned comment added by WaleedAhmadAddas ( talk • contribs)
Thanks and I urge the specialists or subject-matter experts at Wikipedia to READ carefully and Weigh-in this NEW evidence so as not to give-in to "feeding" more on this controversy --which should not have taken place considering the evidence. It only takes one black swan to refute the statement, "all swans are white". Please reconsider. WaleedAhmadAddas ( talk) 17:01, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
Then please make the adjustment as agreed earlier by Paul August and Gråbergs Gråa Sång. Also since this the first time for me to join Wiki Talks, I don't know what is the timeline for implementing the changes agreed to as I noticed here and in other few places that there is just "talk" and hardly any editorial adjustments made (and that can really "piss new contributors off" --as well said by Alivardi or Gråbergs Gråa Sång). WaleedAhmadAddas ( talk) 07:43, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
Thank you, however I find it very disturbing (if not a bit annoying) that every time one makes a contribution, that someone new (this time Tgeorgescu) joins the discussion and comes up with another comment!! You know too well that this could DILUTE the original understandings REACHED. We will not be able to reach any closure on this section or and in this manner. So kindly update the page as agreed and add the new resource that was shared. To summarize the outcomes of all your earlier contributions under this section, they are as follows: -crit section should mention that there are other age ideas; -Perhaps we should collapse this [crit] section...and we mention the dissenting option(s); -consider editing Aisha#Age_at_marriage/ Criticism_of_Muhammad#Age_of_3rd_wife_Aisha...this is one source among several, it may be worth adding somewhere; -and if you wish, you could all top it up by adding the full statement of Tgeorgescu as well: "Readers of Wikipedia, please note that Muhammad's marriage to Aisha is not a sin in Islam, not a sin in Christianity and not a sin in Judaism. It is only a "sin" in modern (i.e. fairly recent) secularism"... Wajaddas ( talk) 14:40, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
This "new research" is simply an opinion piece with no evidence of a peer-review process. It does not satisfy our WP:RS criteria for using academic work as sources. This is especially true when it comes to an area that has seen a lot of proper research. The proposition to throw all proper academic research out the window because one person wrote an opinion piece saying something else is a non-starter. Jeppiz ( talk) 15:20, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
I beg to differ, non-Muslims do not have the same authority to write on Islam as devout Muslim scholars — since it’s linked with the faith and the values. How could someone write on a subject not believing in its tenets or respecting its values or knowing the boundaries? I feel the writings on Prophet Muhammad or Islam in Wikipedia by non Muslims are biased and also disrespectful to many Muslim readers. I recommend to have a balance in the selection of contributors especially when it comes to the religious subjects. The objective of an encyclopaedia is to give a reader a first-hand understanding to go and do further research AND NOT TO CONFUSE OR PUT first-comers/readers OFF. I don’t know what percent of the scholars who wrote this page were from the faithfuls and you will now agree that it would be very odd if 100% were non-Muslims! I agree with you if the subject matter was any natural or social sciences but to understand the religious sphere, this is the domain of the true adherents of the faith. No one in his or her right mind will go to a non-Muslim to seek a better understanding of Islam. The same also applies to Christianity, Judaism and Hinduism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WaleedAhmadAddas ( talk • contribs) 21:21, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
The tendency which some females have, to underestimate their age needs no comment; it is well known to every one.Aisha, unconsciously, underestimated her age (like most women normally do). Since not a single person other than Aisha (not even her father Abu Bakr) reported that she was nine, there is no need to even think that she was nine. END OF STORY. [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2000:6A04:0:7916:E60F:202E:EE86 ( talk) 19:01, 7 July 2020 (UTC) References
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any reference to Qutham name? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2804:7F4:5082:F073:C4E1:BC39:BAEA:2A50 ( talk) 17:38, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
Greetings,
Planning to start a new article Draft:Islamic feminist views about Muhammad. Just informing here to see if any one interested to join in contributing newly planned article as part of Hermeneutics of feminism in Islam
Thanks
Bookku ( talk) 11:12, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
Prophet Muhammad was not the founder of Islam. According to Islamic beliefs, he was the last Prophet of Islam . And the founder of Islam was Adam. You can also check the Adam in Islam article.
According to Quran, Islam is believed to be started from the first human and nabi, Adam in Islam .
Kindly correct the information. TheChunky ( talk) 04:47, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
Lmao brother this article is about actual History and life Muhhamed Not islam's Sungpeshwe9 ( talk) 05:19, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
Hi.
If you feel interested in, then kindly do share your inputs on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Islam#Why is editorial participation of Muslim women on Wikipedia so low?
Thanks and regards
Bookku ( talk) 01:52, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
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Please add صلی اللہ تعالیٰ علیہ واٰلہٖ وسلَّم wherever the name of Muhammad صلی اللہ تعالیٰ علیہ واٰلہٖ وسلَّم is mentioned. 58.65.150.94 ( talk) 07:43, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
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Peace be upon him needed 64.222.180.90 ( talk) 13:16, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
Hello! I read many of the talk page questions and most of them seem to be offended by the pictures and other details. A notice is put up in the talk page but most people dont visit the talk page until necessary. I think there can be a notice saying something like "Content and images on this article may be offensive to some people" or a better phrased notice. Say your opinions. MRC2RULES ( talk) 07:34, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
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Similar to other pages Muhammad should have a| "venerated_in =" line. Doremon764 ( talk) 04:49, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
The chart on Muhammad in Islam has a Venerated section. Doremon764 ( talk) 01:46, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
Regarding the controversy over the Prophet being described as the "founder" of Islam: I'm not Muslim myself, but it seem to me that the word "founder" does not fully represent the complexity of his cultural role to many people, and a different phrase with a similar meaning may be more neutral and accommodating. I suggest "...was an Arab religious, social, and political leader and a foundational figure in Islam. According to Islamic doctrine, he was a prophet, sent to preach..."
It may also be worthwhile to include an infobox in the header that the Prophet's name is usually rendered "Muhammad ( pbuh)", "Muhammad ( SAW)" or similar by Muslims. Chinkeeyong ( talk) 13:33, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
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Your proposal is that we should tacitly state what amounts to a specific religious belief in Wikivoice, which is quite simply not going to happen. It’s been repeatedly requested, in some form or another. Often framed as out of consideration for the religious sensibilities of others, which is a violation of NPOV. Muhammad is universally regarded by mainstream secular scholarship as the historical founder of the religious movement we now refer to as “Islam”. So we state that. Editors all know and acknowledge that one of the primary beliefs in that religion is that Muhammad is part of a succession of prophets teaching the same general beliefs. That this is generally the worldview held by Muslims is likewise stated throughout this article, and others, as it should be. We describe the religious belief, but per NPOV, we also state that this is not accepted by mainstream scholarship, and by extension, the consensus that there is no supporting evidence for it. Symmachus Auxiliarus ( talk) 01:07, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
Fair enough, thanks for the well-reasoned reply. Chinkeeyong ( talk) 03:51, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
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Add ﷺ after muhammed 62.88.128.142 ( talk) 11:45, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
I have reviewed some parts of the debate and am familiar with how the reference is made in English, German and Arabic scholarly literature.
1. The transliteration common among Islamists, Arabists and Semitists writing in European languages should be included in addition to that of IPA. This is the most common spelling found in the specialized academic literature of these languages and the convention should not be ignored and because the article should also serve to familiarize the reader with what they might expect in further reading.
2. The teknonym and (the first 3/4 names in the) patronym should be included within the body of the text of the introduction directly following or preceding the common short name (see English article on Omar /info/en/?search=Omar for example). This is because inclusion of the nasab and the kunyah is the naming practice of the relevant epoch and region, the technical/scientific reference in the most relevant literature and Arab (and later Islamic) conventions and for purposes of disambiguation. (See also the article in German for an example, it translates as Mo/uhamme/ad with the full name... https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed)
3. Lastly, despite the fact that simply putting the most common first name in the world as "Muhammad" does serve to imply the article refers to the Muhammad, and contra English and German academic conventions I believe "Prophet Muhammad" should be the phrasing. Contrary to the previous debate, the term prophet is not technically honorific in and of itself (any more than Oracle of Delphi); it was not always so used nor is/was its absence in and of itself offensive. Furthermore, it is the most common reference worldwide and it serves to distinguish and define. Cotrary to popular belief, I believe this and the addition of the patronymic and teknonymic are, if anything, more rationally humanizing than piously aggrandizing: the term prophet is technical in nature in much Islamic/Muslim literature and the rest conforms with naming practices in the contemporary local culture.
This may seem to pile on yet another voice to a contentious and fruitless debate in which all possible opinions and arguments have already been put forth twice. This is especially true given that there is already a solid convention of naming the subject thus in the relevant lanuages. Nonetheless, given the globalized state of affairs, the fact that the subject is crossculturally identifiable, the technical soundness of better defining/distinguishing the subject and the fact that conventions may be altered for any number of reasons including elegance and accuracy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.203.147.253 ( talk) 13:03, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
No, we don't add honorifics to such things, any more than you'd like to see the Son of God, Jesus Christ. Please see /info/en/?search=MOS:PBUH 22:35, 27 October 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:A601:A880:8C00:D96A:516F:D88A:59B4 ( talk)
Add (Peace Be Upon Him) or (P.B.U.H.) after Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H.)'s name where this blessed and Holy name is mentioned in this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ghulamm-e-Mustafa ( talk • contribs) 11:44, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
Short 'NO' Wow, very polite.
That is ridiculous. What sort of absurd guideline that is to not to give due honor and respect to the beloved Prophet of billions of people around the world. We are not talking about some ordinary human being or some state's landlord. Ghulamm-e-Mustafa ( talk) 12:36, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
These comments are hilarious. These geniuses actually think Wikipedia is an moslem text, that will bend to their beliefs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.146.2.155 ( talk) 01:21, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
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Please add Prophet and 'Peace upon him' or (S) or saw, etc. Rayan-Zahid 358 ( talk) 18:11, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
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May you please get rid of the cartoons portraying the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). This is very disrespectful towards our religion. So may you please change them to images that do not contain him.
Thank you! Akthegreat1234 ( talk) 23:33, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
Europeans like to do that. His real name is Mohamed, but they want to add a letter "a" instead of "e", so we can get the word "mad". The same thing is that they twist the word "Quran" to Koran, and "Mosque" which is actually Masjid, to add the term "mosquit". Even in the French language, Muhammad, they write it as "Mahomet", and they refer to a satanic black idol with a goat's head "baphomet" . It is abhorrent racism against a messenger who is not white skin. Uryon988 ( talk) 15:04, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
I think you are mistaken. The word "Muhammad" has many pronunciations and I do not need a source to prove anything, but the fact that Europeans in medieval times used to distort the name of prophet to be more "demonic" such as "Magomed", "Mahound" and "Mahomet". Hyi9900 ( talk) 15:18, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
The same could be said for any peoples mate, the simplicity of the thing is that calling out racism due to name mispronunciations on an encyclopedia meant to be neutral is rather asinine.
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@ Hyi9900: I would point out here that this talk page is for discussing changes to the article only. Are there any changes being proposed here? Paul August ☎ 15:16, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
The article cites Medinan fever aggravated by stress as a possible cause of death, but it doesn't mention another cause of death, which is death by poisoning.
In some hadiths it is said that Muhammad was poisoned by a Jewish woman, and died because of it. Obviously I am not saying that this is 100% the cause of death, but I feel like that it should be mentioned, since Islamic scripture says that.
The hadiths that mention this are:
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Pls add a para on the journey of Prophet Muhammad to Taif, as it is missing from this page. thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.60.91.203 ( talk) 07:58, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for your reply. I found a section on the subject in Wikepedia : /info/en/?search=Muhammad%27s_visit_to_Ta%27if which tells the story of Muhammad's visit to Ta'if. Suggest to extract a suitable section from it and add it to the main page of Muhammad, thanks again.
Saying peace be upon him after Muhammad is mentioned in sufism section in the article, but it is not only the part of sufism, it is the part of the basic fundamental islamic custom, so I think the line should be transferred in Islamic tradition section. 43.245.121.56 ( talk) 19:30, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
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Kindly add ﷺ with Word Muhammad, anywhere found in this article...whole article ! Humzh Khalid ( talk) 18:45, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
The line in the first paragraph, "He is believed to be the last Prophet...", the word "believe must be removed, because He is the last Prophet whether someones believe it or not. Qureshi Bawa ( talk) 04:47, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
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Change X to Y X = Muhammad[n 1] (Arabic: مُحَمَّد, pronounced [muħammad];[n 2] c. 570 CE – 8 June 632 CE)[1] was an Arab religious, social, and political leader and the founder of Islam.[2] Y = Muhammad[n 1] (Arabic: مُحَمَّد, pronounced [muħammad];[n 2] c. 570 CE – 8 June 632 CE)[1] was the last prophet and messenger of Islam, commonly known as an Arab religious, social, and political leader.[2]
Explanation: Muhammad is not a founder of Islam, he is the last messenger of Islam. Islam simply means submitting to the will of the creator, which all the prophets did, and they (all prophets) called them self Muslims. 2600:1700:5862:F010:7181:CDA:8209:321 ( talk) 15:47, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
(Arabic: مُحَمَّد, pronounced [Muhammad] (PBUH); c. 570 CE – 8 June 632 CE) is Muslims religious, social, and political leader and the founder of Islam. The Holy Prophet Muhammad (Salah-u-Alihe Walihe Wasalam) is the last divine prophet of Allah. After His Eminence, no other prophet is going to be sent by Allah. The Prophet of Islam, from the beginning of his mission, introduced himself as the seal of the prophets and is accepted by the Muslims as such. The subject of finality of prophethood in [ Islamic doctrine] is considered to be an important matter and it is not in need of any evidence; as finality arbitration from Allah is clearly mentioned in the Holy Quran:
مَا كَانَ مُحَمَّدٌ أَبَآ أَحَدٍ مِّن رِّجَالِكُمْ وَلَكِن رَّسُولَ اللَّهِ وَخَاتَمَ النَّبِيِّينَ وَكَانَ اللَّهُ بِكُلِّ شَىْءٍ عَلِيماً
“Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but he is the Apostle of Allah and the Last of the prophets; and Allah is cognizant of all things.” (33:40) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eihtesham ( talk • contribs) 09:16, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
القول في تأويل قوله تعالى : مَا كَانَ مُحَمَّدٌ أَبَا أَحَدٍ مِنْ رِجَالِكُمْ وَلَكِنْ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ وَخَاتَمَ النَّبِيِّينَ وَكَانَ اللَّهُ بِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ عَلِيمًا (40) — Preceding
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أَشْهَدُ أَنْ لَا إِلَهَ إِلَّا اللَّهُ وَحْدَهُ لَا شَرِيكَ لَهُ وَأَشْهَدُ أَنَّ مُحَمَّدًا عَبْدُهُ وَرَسُولُهُ — Preceding
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I think it would be a good idea to add a Charlie Hebdo image of "Muhammad" to the Article. What do other people think? 68.206.249.124 ( talk) 14:14, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
Why not put caricatures on a page dedicated to Jesus? This is a page that relies on sources and is not nonsense Uryon988 ( talk) 14:50, 2 November 2020 (UTC) إِنَّ الْمُسْلِمِينَ وَالْمُسْلِمَاتِ وَالْمُؤْمِنِينَ وَالْمُؤْمِنَاتِ وَالْقَانِتِينَ وَالْقَانِتَاتِ وَالصَّادِقِينَ وَالصَّادِقَاتِ وَالصَّابِرِينَ وَالصَّابِرَاتِ وَالْخَاشِعِينَ وَالْخَاشِعَاتِ وَالْمُتَصَدِّقِينَ وَالْمُتَصَدِّقَاتِ وَالصَّائِمِينَ وَالصَّائِمَاتِ وَالْحَافِظِينَ فُرُوجَهُمْ وَالْحَافِظَاتِ وَالذَّاكِرِينَ اللَّهَ كَثِيرًا وَالذَّاكِرَاتِ أَعَدَّ اللَّهُ لَهُم مَّغْفِرَةً وَأَجْرًا عَظِيمًا (35) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.248.56.141 ( talk) 11:41, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
Preservation of Electronics Crimes Act 2016 (PECA) reserves the prohibition of any kind of misleading information especially regarding the Religious matters. People must be aware of that act before removing/adding any contents. Either we remove all sections under page "Muhammad[ [1]]" or avoid the conflicting statements altogether. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eihtesham ( talk • contribs) 16:00, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
I come on wikipedia thinking it's a reliable source but what do I see everywhere islam getting abused what's the matter with you I see no such thing with christanity buddhism I see no muslim bashing any other religion beliefs you all edit this page based on bukhari ever wondered how can book coming 2 centuries later describe the character of our prophet. Please for God's sake don't bash islam so much I know it's easy today because we are suppressed right now but our prophet is our honor please don't post unbearable contents about our islam on your page that would be pretty good from you guys Hjjhgt ( talk) 10:25, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
Man muslims are 2 billion in the world .2 billion muslims represent that man and you allowed wikipedia's to edit the criticism page.I saw jesus pbuh page nobody talks about his criticisms.My prophet is my life please for God's sake don't allow criticism page to be edited because criticsm are taken from sahih bukhari which is not entirely reliable source as it was written 150-200 years after our beloved prophet left this world how can a person now sitting on a comfort couch edit and malign our prophets image based on a book that came into this world almost 2 centuries later.Please my prophet was best in the world. He was best please delete criticisms page and correct it from reliable sources. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hjjhgt ( talk • contribs) 10:02, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
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Muhammad[n 1] (Arabic: مُحَمَّد, pronounced [muħammad];[n 2] c. 570 CE – 8 June 632 CE)[1] was an Arab religious, social, and political leader and the founder of Islam.
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Muhammad[n 1] (Arabic: مُحَمَّد, pronounced [muħammad];[n 2] c. 570 CE – 8 June 632 CE)[1] was a religious leader, who is considered by many academic sources in the Western world to be the "founder of Islam",[2] A.889 ( talk) 21:22, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
Rationale: source #2 in the article "The Oxford Encyclopedia" represents a major view in the Western academia. Thus, it should be stated that this is a view that belongs to the Western academia in order to be neutral. — Preceding unsigned comment added by A.889 ( talk • contribs) 21:27, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
Warning Please read WP:NOTAFORUM and adhere to it. I removed a flagrant violation of it. Additional warning at user talk page will follow. As for the matter at hand, it has already been answered. Wikipedia is about verifiable sources, in which the consensus is that Muhammad was rhe founder of Islam. We do not follow devotional views for any religion. Jeppiz ( talk) 19:10, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
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عَلَيْهِ ٱلسَّلَامُ 71.169.165.83 ( talk) 11:35, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
"The earliest surviving written sira ... Although the work was lost..." These contradictory phrases are applied to the same work. Please rewrite in a coherent manner. -- Khajidha ( talk) 14:10, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
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There doesn't appear to be any mention of statues. "For the first half of the 20th century, an eight-foot-tall marble statue of the Prophet Muhammad overlooked Madison Square Park from the rooftop of the Appellate Division Courthouse at Madison Avenue and 25th Street." Source NY Times: A Statue of Muhammad on a New York Courthouse More recently an artist in Australia with support from the Secular Party of Australia is building a statue mocking the prophet as an exercise in freedom of speech. Source: Wayne Smith building Muhammad Statue mocking the prophet. Art of Muhammad has not always been banned and indeeed nothing within the Quran actually forbids imagery depicting the prophet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.171.219.227 ( talk) 02:36, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
So you are saying I should add it to more pages? Good idea but I haven't the time really. Thought those two pages were the most relevant. The other is more relevant than this one? Ok. Fascinating. Don't see why you would bring it up but nice observational skills I guess possibly. Seems a minute thing to focus on though. Wait. No mention of statues required did you say? This figure from the barbaric 7th century has hardly any monuments to his bloodthirsty killings. Alexander had a library. Genghis Khan built cities. Hitler designed sports stadiums. Would you mention a great egyptian pharoah without reference to his pyramid? Stone outlasts the written word. Even legends die but monuments last thousands of years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.167.208.109 ( talk) 09:27, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
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Please change: "the founder of Islam" to the "the last prophet in the Islamic belief." 178.115.128.212 ( talk) 08:34, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
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The Article about Prophet dont mention about his supposed Peadophilic nature, As Wikipedia claim to be neutral therefore we should present that many leading Scholars agreed that he indeed has Tinge of being a Paaedophilic Man, I can quote scholars who said he was sexually attracted to Aisha at Minor Age but later Persian writters turned a saint and Prophet out of Muhammad. Should I add that ????
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According to Dan Gibson, this was the place where Muhammad lived his youth and received his first revelations. As the first Muslim mosques and cemeteries show, it was also the first Qibla direction of Muslims. [1] [2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.242.133.192 ( talk) 15:14, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
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I don't have to edit anything, just write (saw) or (pbuh) after Muhammad everytime .e.g, Muhammad saw or Muhammad pbuh.. 2409:4054:96:82B4:0:0:E7D:F0A0 ( talk) 17:08, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
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"change 'founder of Islam' to 'reviver of Islam' " 103.152.103.26 ( talk) 13:03, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
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Good day, in the Islamic world you can not say the Prophet Muhammeds name without saying the words "Peace Be Upon Him" afterwards. It is considered offensive and Muslims take it very personally. That being said, the repetitiveness in this instance would make it cumbersome for the reader. So a humble request that it be included in the heading at the very least. This would be greatly appreciated by the Islamic world. TIA.
May the Almighty guide us all! Ameen
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Since this website's goal is to state facts and not mere speculations, at least in the lists of a person's biography, I want to suggest this edit. It is almost unanimously agreed upon among the islamic scholars and biographers that Muhammad(SAW) had 11 wives. Rayhana(R) and Maria Al-Qibtiya(R) were his concubines, so they should be listed as such. Although there were a few weak narrations claiming that they were married by our Prophet(S), they were not proven and holds no weight to those claims. So I request the admins/editors to change it up. We muslims will be very grateful for this correction. Ishan87 ( talk) 10:59, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
"However, the most accepted position among the Muslims is that the Prophet manumitted her and married her." This statement definitely is not true. The most accepted position among muslims is that Muhammad (SAW) had 11 wives and she was not a wife. There's no historical evidence or strong hadith to suggest she was a wife. The link you provided is that sole weak mention which is heavily disputed. There is a strong hadith which basically says- Muhammad (SAW) asked her to be free and marry him, but she choose to remain Jewish and a concubine. Another narration says that later (probably after a year or so) she accepted islam, but there was absolutely no mention of her being freed or marriage. I don't remember the exactly remember the hadith or seerah books-chatper-page numbers, but you can look it up easily by searching. I can provide the links if necessary. As for Mary the Copt, I'm well aware of some people listing her as a wife, but it lacks evidence. There's literally no mention of our prophet marrying her. On the contrary, evidence suggests she remained a concubine. Anyway my point is, most of the scholars, biographers, historians, and books says Prophet Muhammad (SAW) has 11 wives, but nowadays young people prefer the internet for short n easy access, but the top site WP is showing the contradictory info which is sad. Btw, if you really want to go with "modern-day scholars" that the birthdate of Muhammad (S) should be changed as well, because it is not only suggested by modern scholars but modern calculations has suggested that 9th RA of 571 CE is the most likely date of his birth. I suggest you look that up too. Hope you get my point. Thank you.
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Concubines and any relationships out of wedlock is haraam and was preached so. Many hadeeth and quraanic verses can back this up. This is common knowledge amongst ALL scholars. The Prophet Muhammad SAW had no such relationships. Fatimah05 ( talk) 21:34, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
Add the word prophet before Muhammad peace be upon him he is a messenger of ALLAH like adam peace be upon him And isa Ibne mariya peace be upon him Shaqibsiddiqui19 ( talk) 19:28, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
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I need to fix this page. Because I thought it should not be written that the Prophet Muhammad was the founder of Islam if this article would be appropriate to neutral point of view. This is not the case with the belief of Islam. According to Islam, Islam sent by Allah. If this article denies or implies otherwise, it contains a biased expression. İsmail Kendir ( talk) 17:45, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
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I am a Muslim, in our belief Muhammad (pbuh) is not a founder, but a messenger. Therefore, the word "founder" refutes Islam as a term. We need to change it. İsmail Kendir ( talk) 16:57, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
Founder is not right word, secondly we dont use any photos of our beloved prophet, pls remove his imaginary pics... Mohammed Abrar Ahmed Khan ( talk) 09:15, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
I concure with @Anachronist Ip says: Work Better yes. ( talk) 23:28, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
I have a second suggestion. If you oppose to this suggest, ask yourself "why shouldn't I follow this suggestion?" instead of asking me "why should I follow this suggestion". The fact that you find this addition unnecessary cannot be regarded as an obstacle to fulfilling this recommendation. If making this change is not going to unhealthy for the page, let's do it.
It's not my problem if you try to to prove that I am wrong without reading and understanding all the sentences above:
{{Short description|Political and social leader, the last prophet in Islamic belief}}
Muhammad [n 1] ( Arabic: مُحَمَّد, pronounced [muˈħammad]; [n 2] c. 570 CE – 8 June 632 CE) [1] was a former merchant, an Arabian religious, philosophical, social and political leader, the last prophet in Islamic belief. İsmail Kendir ( talk) 13:54, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
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{{edit extended-protected|Muhammad|answered=yes} Alhamdulillah I am a Muslim. You have wrote on your page ( /info/en/?search=Depictions_of_Muhammad) that the permissibility of depictions of Muhammad in Islam has been a contentious issue. Today I was keenly visiting the page ( /info/en/?search=Muhammad) in order to acquire specific knowledge. At that visit, I've seen some controversial images titled:
1. Mohammed receiving revelation from the angel Gabriel 2. La.Vie.de.Mahomet
I strongly condemn these useless and controversial act. These images can provoke religious emotions of Muslims world-wide on notice. I request you to please remove this controversial content from wikipedia, wikimedia and all other pages you have access. Muslim user ( talk) 06:42, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
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There are some incorrect facts as muslims do not believe Peophet Muhammad was the founder of Islam rather they believe he is the last prophet of Islam Editingmachinee321 ( talk) 03:23, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
After so much discussion, I think we should now consider an alternative sentence. I tried to bring a sentence and short description that almost nobody would object to:
Muhammad [n 1] ( Arabic: مُحَمَّد, pronounced [muˈħammad]; [n 2] c. 570 CE – 8 June 632 CE) [1] was a former merchant, an Arabian religious, philosophical, social and political leader, the last prophet in Islam.
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"Religious leader and main prophet of Islam"
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This comes up so frequently, I am surprised nobody has added an entry to Talk:Muhammad/FAQ by now. I suggest something like this:
That is pretty rough and would need revising (both the wording of the question as well as the answer). The answer should briefly summarize the arguments made in numerous archived discussions that led to the article using this term, so that any further discussion must focus on arguments not already made. It should probably be put after question #5. ~ Anachronist ( talk) 19:23, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
@ Jeppiz:I have never said your arguments are faulty. I have said that part of explanation provided for the FAQ in question that "The contention that Islam has always existed and Muhammad was its messenger is a religious belief, grounded in faith, and Wikipedia cannot promote religious beliefs as facts.” is faulty or in other words incorrect which I originally meant. I am sorry if it gives you that impression. It is incorrect because it is not true. And I never said Muhammad cannot be considered the historical founder of Islam. The fact that it is now being debated as to whether we can use it or not tells me that the statement is a controversial one, at least among the Muslims. Now we have resolved other problems surrounding Muhammad such as use of his image and so on. What I was in fact saying is as long as we can solve the problem in a more neutral way we should go for that. Here we can do that just by modifying the description a little. That is why, I am in favour of either providing a little context to the text added. Alternatively, we can simply state that he is the central figure of Islam. The question of scholarship is not that important here. The scholarship I am referring to is also stemming from these and other institutions from around the world so the CHOPSY test doesn't apply here. I am neither a citizen of United States nor greater Europe. Are you suggesting that other countries in the world is not producing scholarship suitable to include in Wikipedia? What problem there is if we simply refer to Muhammad as the central figure of Islam instead of saying he is the founder of Islam? Mosesheron ( talk) 13:53, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
7 Submit yourselves therefore to God (i.e be Muslims, because Muslims means: submitter to God). Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.. It is just that "Muslims" is an arabic word, so you shouldn't be searching for an arabic word in a Bible written in Greek. You need to look for the Greek word that is equivalent to the Arabic word "Muslim", and this is present in James 4:7.-- Zymogen ( talk) 20:58, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
And again, this section is about a new FAQ entry. The article is stable, and this topic keeps coming up, so we need a FAQ entry. Nobody has objected to my proposal except me. ~ Anachronist ( talk) 21:45, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
@ Anachronist: I think your proposal is a reasonable one. Although I would simply prefer to describe him as "the central figure of Islam" instead of perpetuating this founder of Islam "controversy". However, if the community decides to maintain the status quo, I would suggest to strike out the "and Muhammad was its messenger" part. Because although there exists such a belief among Muslims that Islam (not historical Islam) in its primordial sense has always existed, no one believes Muhammad was its messenger or the only messenger. He is believed to be rather the last prophet of this perceived primordial tradition that recognizes major prophets of other religions including prophets of Judaism and Christianity. Overall, I find no major problem with the text. But couldn't we simply add that he is "the central figure of Islam" in place of this much debated founder of Islam statement? I think that would be better. Anyway, that's a personal opinion after all. Mosesheron ( talk) 18:36, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
We're not conducting a debate here, we're merely explaining Wikipedia to you. You don't need to like them, but you do need to follow them. Please note that your constant beating of this dead horse is becoming disruptive, as others have already pointed out. Jeppiz ( talk) 14:39, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
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I'd like to fix the minor typos and strengthen the expression on the page. İsmail Kendir ( talk) 19:07, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
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Prophet Muhammad SAW died the same day he was born, It's strongly proved by history then why Prophet's Birthday Isn't mentioned certainty?
Prophet Muhammad SAW died the same day he was born, It's strongly proved by history then why Prophet's Birthday Isn't mentioned certainty? 103.242.21.225 ( talk) 22:16, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
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This line should be removed immediately. EditorOfWiki3002 ( talk) 11:37, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
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I'd like to get word "founder" in the first sentence changed; change the word which is assuming that Islam wasn't exists before Muhammad, so which is denying an Islamic teach, since that word expresses the prophet Muhammad from an anti Islamic Perspective instead of a neutral point of view. Please do not make an effort to convince me, change it if you agree or say that you do not accept if disagree. If you don't change it, you are responsible for this inexactitude. İsmail Kendir ( talk) 18:31, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
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My request is to change the name from “Muhammad” to “Muhammad S.A.W” or “Muhammad PBUH” PBUH stands for Peace Be Upon Him. Reason for that is that writing only “Muhammad” is not suitable and is not enough because of the status of Hazrat Muhammad S.A.W being a Prophet and massanger of Allah. And in Islam Being commanded by Allah and out of Respect “S.A.W” or “PBUH” must be written and spoken with the name of prophet Muhammad S.A.W. My request is to please update and you can do your research as well. May Allah give you hidayat. HamidAlikhanBaloch ( talk) 13:53, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
My request is to change the name from “Muhammad” to “Muhammad S.A.W” or “Muhammad PBUH” PBUH stands for Peace Be Upon Him. Reason for that is that writing only “Muhammad” is not suitable and is not enough because of the status of Hazrat Muhammad S.A.W being a Prophet and massanger of Allah. And in Islam Being commanded by Allah and out of Respect “S.A.W” or “PBUH” must be written and spoken with the name of prophet Muhammad S.A.W. My request is to please update and you can do your research as well. May Allah give you hidayat. HamidAlikhanBaloch ( talk) 13:55, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
Based on the discussion in the upper headline, I thought that the answer to the sixth question should be different. Look above to figure out why I say this:
"Let us explain why he is mentioned as the founder of Islam under two subhead. The word "Islam" on the page represents the
sharia only brought by Muhammad and does not refer to the laws believed to been sent by God to the prophets formerly. There's no specific name for the Islamic law brought by the Muhammad and that simply named as Islam by Muslims. That's why page says "Islam". And the word founder does not claims that Muhammad made up Islam or he was commissioned by God to found present Islamic faith. This word can be understand according both belief, changes depending to which point of view you look from."
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Let's analyze the proposal:
"The word 'Islam' on the page represents the sharia only brought by Muhammad and does not refer to the laws believed to been sent by God to the prophets formerly."
"There's no specific name for the Islamic law brought by the Muhammad and that simply named as Islam by Muslims. That's why the page says 'Islam'."
"And the word founder does not claims that Muhammad made up Islam or he was commissioned by God to found present Islamic faith. This word can be understand according both belief, changes depending to which point of view you look from."
In view of that last point, I have added a sentence to the FAQ entry about the intent of the context of the word "founder". ~ Anachronist ( talk) 17:35, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
User İsmail Kendir has been blocked indefinitely. -- Doctorx0079 ( talk) 14:46, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
The lede says: "Besides the Quran, Muhammad's teachings and practices (sunnah), found in the Hadith and sira (biography) literature, are also upheld and used as sources of Islamic law (see Sharia)." Am I to assume this is the consensus? It seems like common knowledge to me. Some sects want to word it differently but I think this is straightforward the way it is. -- Doctorx0079 ( talk) 21:00, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
User:Adigabrek is starting an edit war about similar wording in the Notes: "Muhammad united Arabia into a single Muslim polity, with the Quran as well as his teachings and practices forming the basis of Islamic religious belief." They keep deleting this sentence. I suspect that User:Adigabrek doesn't fully understand the wording. -- Doctorx0079 ( talk) 21:03, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
It seems there are sects other than Sunni and Shia that do not accept Muhammad's teachings and practices as part of Islam? Should this be mentioned in the lede? -- Doctorx0079 ( talk) 21:13, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
Adigabrek says "There is no historical reliability (which is what we look for in wikipedia, not religious views) that the traditionalist (Sunni/Shia) Islam was ever practiced by Muhammad." Does this work the other way around? Is there really historical basis for the view that Islam includes teachings and practices of Muhammad outside of the Quran? -- Doctorx0079 ( talk) 21:16, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
Would it be fair to add a caveat such as "According to Sunni and Shia tradition"? Trying to prove the teachings and practices of Muhammad is like trying to prove what Moses said. -- Doctorx0079 ( talk) 21:53, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
It is, however, certain that Muḥammad did speak in this place and utter the famous sentence, for the account of this event has been preserved, either in a concise form or in detail, not only by al-Yaʿḳūbī, whose sympathy for the ʿAlid cause is well known, but also in the collections of traditions which are considered as canonical, especially in the Musnad of Ibn Ḥanbal; and the ḥadīt̲h̲s are so numerous and so well attested by the different isnāds that it does not seem possible to reject them. [2]
The Sunnah represents actions and sayings of Muhammad (preserved in reports known as Hadith) and covers a broad array of activities and beliefs ranging from religious rituals, personal hygiene, and burial of the dead to the mystical questions involving the love between humans and God. The Sunnah is considered a model of emulation for pious Muslims and has to a great degree influenced the Muslim culture. The greeting that Muhammad taught Muslims to offer each other, "may peace be upon you" (Arabic: as-salamu 'alaykum) is used by Muslims throughout the world. Many details of major Islamic rituals such as daily prayers, the fasting and the annual pilgrimage are only found in the Sunnah and not the Quran. [2]
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muhammad was a young wise man with lots of motavations to be a professional book reader 194.81.46.163 ( talk) 09:09, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
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The statement that Mohammed United the entire Arab world under Islam is not based on fact. There would have been many liars who professed Islam and minorities who were forced to profess Islam or die. Therefore, the following sentence is questionable: "Muhammad united Arabia into a single Muslim polity" Minorities and those threatened into professing Islam being "part of a united Muslim polity" is an insult to Islam, and further an insult to Mohammed that he himself united the entire Arab world into one single Muslim polity as an undivided unit. 120.22.7.246 ( talk) 18:20, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
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First thing to edit is his life, age 6 to 12, there is another one in between namely 8 when his grandfather died and gave his responsibility to his uncle... at age 12, his uncle took him to syria. These are major errors and must be corrected 175.107.6.55 ( talk) 05:38, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
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Assalamu Alaikum, about the title of the article, could you please put Muhammad(Peace Be Upon Him) or just Muhammad(PBUH). Thank you! Amin ouargui ( talk) 05:29, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
History of Islam is mainly based on 9-10 century muslim traditions. I'd like to see 6-7 century historical records. TD&JP — Preceding unsigned comment added by TrickyDicky123 ( talk • contribs) 12:59, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
It would be advisable to add the term “central figure” instead of founder or last prophet as to end the controversy. Just as its done for the Wikipedia page of Jesus Christ /info/en/?search=Jesus Rasalghul1711 ( talk) 20:40, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
"Muhammad was a prophet loved by many. he was called (pronunciation: al-ameen.) the trustworthy because he would never tell a lie, and even men that wanted to KILL him gave him their money for safekeeping."-Muslimeen( 2001:8003:7844:9000:1805:4E1A:C6D1:354D ( talk))
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Hello, Kindly add PBUH (peace be upon him) after his name. Will be very much appreciated. 119.73.121.246 ( talk) 05:45, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
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The Line which has misinformation about Muslims having difference of opinion about end of Prophethood if FALSE. Please make an edit ASAP. The reference is clear throughout the Muslims and anybody who denies this isn’t considered a Muslim. Reflexa9 ( talk) 20:38, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
==Family tree==
Kilab ibn Murrah | Fatimah bint Sa'd | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Aminah mother |
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Thuwaybah first nurse |
Halimah second nurse |
Abu Talib paternal uncle |
`Abbas paternal half-uncle | Abu Lahab paternal half-uncle | 6 other sons and 6 daughters | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Khadija first wife |
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Fatimah daughter |
Ali paternal cousin and son-in-law family tree, descendants |
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Uthman second cousin and son-in-law family tree |
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Muhsin ibn Ali grandson |
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Husayn ibn Ali grandson family tree |
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Sawda third wife |
Umar father-in-law family tree |
Umm Salama sixth wife |
Juwayriya eighth wife |
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Aisha third wife Family tree | {{{Zaynab bint Khuzaymah}}} |
Hafsa fourth wife |
Zaynab seventh wife |
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Greetings, as per according to a book called: "The 100: A Ranking of the Most Influential Persons in History" written by Michael H. Hart, Muhammad is considered to be the most influential person in history. Namely, You can read more about it on the link below this request. As per this request, I would like to ask You to add this piece of information to the section Legacy, specifically its subsection "Modern historians"
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https://www.gainpeace.com/about-muhammad/most-influential-person-in-history-by-michael-h-hart Dzida888 ( talk) 15:09, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
In the 'Islamic tradition' section a quotation has the full stop both before and after the quotation mark. I thought I knew this rule but am beginning to doubt myself can someone fix it if needed. The internet has been a little contradictory hence my ask for help. From text: In Islamic belief, Muhammad is regarded as the last prophet sent by God.[254][255][256][257][258] Quran 10:37 states that "...it (the Quran) is a confirmation of (revelations) that went before it, and a fuller explanation of the Book—wherein there is no doubt—from The Lord of the Worlds.".
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"Foo bar baz.".
is an error. If the quoted material is a full sentence and ended with the dot, include the terminal punctuation inside the quotation marks ("Foo bar baz."
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). As that last sentence shows, however, material inside parentheses that ends with a dot – most often an abbreviation but in this case sample code – does not obviate a sentence-ending dot after the parenthetical if it ends the sentence. Finally, don't trust "the Internet" (i.e. millions of random strangers who have nothing authoritative to say about how to write on Wikipedia) on this or any other style question, or even trust other style guides like The Chicago Manual of Style or New Hart's Rules. You'll get different answers from every style source you consult. We have our own style manual for good reasons, most importantly inter-article consistency and reduction of editorial conflict over style trivia (which is inevitable if one is bible-thumping their copy of CMoS and another quoting NHR, or whatever). —
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In what sense is the word "founder" used on this page? J-ğğğ-ğğğ-J ( talk) 14:05, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
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Hi! Can you add this description to beginning of the Appearance section?
In one of the earliest sources, Ibn Sa'd's Kitab al-Tabaqat al-Kabir, there are numerous verbal descriptions of Muhammad. One description sourced to Ali ibn Abi Talib is as follows:
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In the introduction the following is stated:
He is believed to be the final prophet of God in all the main branches of Islam, though some modern denominations diverge from this belief.[n 2]
However, the note only contains a reference to the Ahmaddiya branch.
The sentence should be changed either to "though the Ahmaddiya branch diverge from this belief" OR more references should be added that supports the statement. It's either one denomination or more IF you back it up with more references.
Kind regards, AA — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.205.140.33 ( talk • contribs) 23:59, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
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Please also write the Peace Be Upon Him after the name of Holy Prophet Muhammad Peace Be Upon Him 182.186.28.105 ( talk) 04:36, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
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add this (ﷺ) with the name muhammad ﷺ. Mack13373 ( talk) 10:32, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
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was an Arab religious, social, and political leader and the messenger of the world religion of Islam.[2] According to Islamic doctrine, AdilAleem1281 ( talk) 16:37, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
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Mohammad (SAW) is the last and final messenger of Allah.Not a founder of Islam. Understand, Definitely you should use this word (SAW- Sallallahu alaihi wasallam) after every place of name mentioned.Eg; Mohammad (Saw) 2409:4072:6D9C:9531:0:0:2348:C05 ( talk) 09:05, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
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prophet Muhammad peace be upon him is not the founder of religion,he is the last messenger of Allah who preached Islam and Qur'an.please I kindly request you to change that! 2402:4000:1183:1456:2DF3:9358:953E:369E ( talk) 02:13, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
He was not only an Islamic prophet, but is also a Bahá'i, Druzi, Shabaki, Sikhi and other religion's prophet. Calling him only Islamic prophet is wrong. Either call him only prophet or Bahá'i, Druzi, Sikhi, Islamic and Shahabki prophet. I think the MOS:ISLAM should also change on this as it says Islamic prophet is recommended rather than only prophet. Mohhsiinn ( talk) 10:36, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
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Please can you add peace be upon him after everytime the Beloved prophets name is mentioned. Thanks Pk7869 ( talk) 14:50, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
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Please remove pictures that depict Prophet Muhammad PBUH receiving revelation from Angel Jabriel as it is misleading, inaccurate, and offensive to Muslims.
Thank you 196.133.0.66 ( talk) 03:58, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
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Muhammad is not the Founder of Islam. Muhammad is the Last Prophet of Islam.
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Actually if you search online you can find many sources saying that. And a *Majority* of Muslims believe that Muhammad is not the founder but the last prophet. Or we can give the Quran as a source Rahbab Chowdhury ( talk) 21:11, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
And this isn't what I *personally* believe. All Muslims universally accept this Rahbab Chowdhury ( talk) 21:13, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
I agree that Muhammad was not the founder of Islam. The word Muslim is used for all those who followed the messenger/ prophet sent to them from Adam to now. Mikhail8881 ( talk) 16:45, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
Right people is it that hard to just write PBUH after the last holy prophets name, or is that politically incorrect - as it would seem “the recommended to remove” is a bit harsh and seriously lacks respect. LightningDTB ( talk) 02:39, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
Also isn’t it possible to have a separate page to address the belief of Shiites - although relatively they’re not truly deemed Muslims for in the month of Muharram they commit a huge sin of self infliction - which they do to seek retribution for the crimes of their ancestors at Karbala . LightningDTB ( talk) 02:43, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
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Replace 609–632 CE as religious leader with 609–present CE as religious leader as he is still the leader of Islam even if he died 🌸 1.Ayana 🌸 ( talk) 10:28, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
Muhammad is written as the founder of Islam. However he is not. Muslims include Adam and Eve etc. Everyone who followed the prophet/messenger sent to them is a Muslim in Islam. Muhammad was the one who gave it the name Islam. I request that you change this. Mikhail8881 ( talk) 16:43, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
I also think that picture shouldn't belong here as it is already present on other articles however the article deserves a separate section on criticism of Muhammad which is an extensive topic on its own and deserves a place in the article. Before my changes it wasn't even properly discussed in the legacy at all. Balolay ( talk) 09:22, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
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Remove the words “and he was founder of islam” islam existed since adam so Islam is not a new religion which was founded by muhammad(pbuh) Junaid1068 ( talk) 01:03, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
Khadijah I don’t know if you are a muslim or not but the religion muhammad pbuh started(as you think) was since the time of memorial. Even the first human being that is Adam was a follower of Islam....so spreading a misconception that Prophet Muhammad Pbuh is the founder of Islam is wrong because it makes people think that Islam is religion which was founded 1400 hundred years ago. Hope you do your research properly and then make statements......Thankyou Junaid1068 ( talk) 18:59, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
It is a historical fact that Islam existed before Prophet Muhammad pbuh because Prophet Moses was also a muslim and Prophet Jesus was also a muslim. Junaid1068 ( talk) 00:24, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
Mythological assertions generally hold much less weight than factual or scientific proof. 2605:A601:A880:8C00:A1D8:3E79:27E3:A581 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 00:51, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
You are rejecting this request as per your thinking and if you want talk about facts then even you would know that Islam “By scientifically FACTS” has been said to 80% out of 100% to be true 100% the remaining 20% is ambiguous (neither right nor wrong) and out of that 20% not even 0.00001% has been proved wrong. So “SCEINTIFICALLY” islam is right.
As you were saying that Jesus was a Christian. Let me tell you this Sister even Jesus was a muslim Because as per your “Wikipedia Definition”a Muslim mean submitting your will to god
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslims#cite_note-28
And the person who submits its will to god is a muslim read and “CROSS VERIFY” all what I’m saying
“I can of myself do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is righteous; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.” John 5:30 ASV Here it says Jesus Saying “I seek not my will but the will of who has sent me” As I mentioned above the definition of a muslim as per your “WIKIPEDIA”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslims#cite_note-28
And Muslim believed in one god same what Jesus believed in if you check bible
“Jesus answered, The first is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God, the Lord is one:” Mark 12:29 ASV
And as per your other Saying that jesus is god in bible check this he is been said to be a “MAN” .
“Ye men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God unto you by mighty works and wonders and signs which God did by him in the midst of you, even as ye yourselves know;” Acts 2:22 ASV
Nowhere in the bible Jesus says by “Himself” that He is God or Worship him
What People believe is the saying of the church not the Bible.
And BEFORE Stating any facts please check your OWN facts and refresh them Junaid1068 ( talk) 18:38, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
So on which basis you made the article that Muhammad (pbuh) is the founder of Islam.. What proof you have? Junaid1068 ( talk) 19:41, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
And i don’t think you read the article from my answer that I gave Muslim is an “ARABIC WORD” and its meaning in English is submitter Check this Article from Wikipedia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslims#cite_note-28 Junaid1068 ( talk) 19:48, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
You saying this proves that its an arabic word check this article https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslims#cite_note-28 Its written Muslim is an Arabic word Junaid1068 ( talk) 19:54, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
So that means the article which is written on Wikipedia is wrong so we should see the Original source,...is that what you want to say? Junaid1068 ( talk) 20:02, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
The definition could be wrong also as the person who defined it didn’t had the actual knowledge of the meaning of the text/word because he/she heard of it somewhereelse same as this the person who wrote the definition of Muslim in english didn’t had the actual knowledge of the meaning of the word. Junaid1068 ( talk) 21:21, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
Like you said you can’t believe in the holy books. So now how can u ask me to believe in the dictionaries, maybe the people who wrote that dictionary didn’t knew the meaning of the word because even they wrote the meaning of the Muslim just by what they heard from others Junaid1068 ( talk) 02:04, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
I agree if the English wants to know the Muslims he is gonna have to use the word in English, but a word can’t make you understand the whole scenario in what “context” it was written, is more important Junaid1068 ( talk) 09:18, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
But like your “WIKIPEDIA” says that Muslim is an ARABIC WORD so it should be seen as it is,Actual meaning in Arabic Junaid1068 ( talk) 11:03, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
Even you proved my point by saying the representation of the source was wrong same way the source from which you took about muhammad is represented wrong Junaid1068 ( talk) 00:08, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
You just proved what I have been trying to make you understand that calling a word in other language With the same pronunciation and spelling doesn’t change the word’s meaning. Like you said telephone is a greek word and has the same meaning which it means in english compared to as in greek so why are you changing the meaning of the word Muslim. Junaid1068 ( talk) 01:27, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
I know we are talking about a man(Mohammad pbuh) but the topic I was telling you about was that he was not the founder of Islam. Islam existed before Muhammad so to prove it I have to prove that even Muslims existed before him like Jesus(pbuh). So to prove that Muslims existed before Muhammad I have to talk you through what actually Muslim word means and that even Bible in it says the same for Jesus(pbuh). And as you gave the example of “Somberor” in spanish it means a general hat and in english it means a specific hat, but in the end it means in both of them the same that is hat. Like that “siso” means in english the same as in the hindi, it a play thing that is in park for children Junaid1068 ( talk) 09:03, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
First of all pilgrimage of mecca was done even before muhammad its there since Abraham check it here
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Hajj
And before Quran was given to Muhammad pbuh as he didn’t had the first revelation before he was 40 ,muslims were supposed to believe in Injeel(Gospel) which was given to Isa(Jesus) pbuh.
The english speaker that you talk about weren’t present at the time Before muhammad pbuh and after muhammad pbuh so whatever the english speakers “saying” are they are just theories without any proof.
Junaid1068 ( talk) 14:35, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
Like you said it says as per “the islamic writers believe”, same like this the least you can do is mention as per Non-islamic tradition Or as per the Historians it is believed that Muhammad is the founder of Islam or you can write it as per the Islamic tradition it is believed that Muhammad is not the founder of Islam but with the sentence even mention this(as per Historians or Non-Islamic) just don’t directly write that he is the founder of Islam because it gives wrong information to other. Junaid1068 ( talk) 01:02, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
The least you can do is include “according to English language definition of Islam Muhammad is the founder of Islam” this is the least you can do to give the right information to other.
“The belief was a foolish one built on lies and misinformation.” —Jason Medina Junaid1068 ( talk) 12:46, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
Given the majority non muslims will search about him and they will get the wrong information about it. In your inversion your first statement is wrong and the second statement is right that muhammad was the Last prophet in the series.
Lastly Its you who knows that its the English definition but not everyone knows that everyone is gonna think its the Islamic definition. Even dis is also like a “well,duh” Situation.
And providing people with wrong information is on you as you are the editor of the article Junaid1068 ( talk) 14:50, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
When a person reads about something he already presumes that Its the definition of that thing not that its the English definition about it.
Secondly it is mentioned “He is viewed as the final prophet of God in all the main branches of Islam, though some modern denominations diverge from this belief.” Like here you have mentioned that “modern denominations diverge from this belief” but for muhammad is the founder of the islam you don’t want to mention that muslims disagree with this statement is hypocrisy You at the least mention that it is believed by archaeologists that Muhammad is the founder of the Islam but Muslims disagree with this statement. Junaid1068 ( talk) 20:02, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
Nowhere it is mentioned in the article of the disagreement of muslims and Even it is somewhere where I haven’t been able to find it, it should be mentioned next to the line where it says that “Muhammad is the founder of islam” but Muslims disagree with it. Junaid1068 ( talk) 20:52, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
Maybe I don’t speak for all brands but all the brands are gonna support this point which I’m trying to make you understand and yes even i believe at this point, even you are just Bludgeoning. Junaid1068 ( talk) 22:50, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
Madam I don’t understand that including this statement that “Muslim don’t agree with Muhammad being the founder of Islam” would be harmful in anyway but in fact it will help to clear the misconception of people. Junaid1068 ( talk) 12:59, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
This discussion has been going on for ten days now, and it is clear to any outsider it is not going anywhere. Wikipedia talk pages are not forums, they only serve to engage constructively on how to improve the article. In that spirit, starting this discussion was perfectly ok, but the discussion has run its course. It is perfectly clear we will not make the proposed change; there is no consensus for it, and it is contrary to policy. Jeppiz ( talk) 11:12, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
I have tried making u understand(with proves and logic) but you have been acting on your accords, my job was to convey the message and that i have done but if you want keep it as per your convenience the sin for that is on you. Junaid1068 ( talk) 14:54, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
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Muhammad was a prophet of Allah and the last messenger according to Muslims. Upon whom Quran was revealed on wich is the last book of God. The Muhammad was known to be one of the finest personalities whose honesty and simplicity was known among all the tribes. 115.42.71.130 ( talk) 00:50, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
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It is not Muhammad, it is Mihammad PBUH Sameerazamalmadni ( talk) 15:25, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
The second paragraph of the leading section states:
Born approximately 570 CE ( Year of the Elephant) in the Arabian city of Mecca, Muhammad was orphaned at the age of six. . . . When he was 40, Muhammad reported being visited by Gabriel in the cave, and receiving his first revelation from God. Three years later, in 610, Muhammad started preaching these revelations publicly, . . .
Shouldn't it be "Three years later, in 613, . . ."? — UnladenSwallow ( talk) 00:06, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
The Quran was actually revealed through the Holy Spirit. Quran 16:102 says: "Say [O Muhammad], the Holy Spirit has brought it [the Quran] from thy Lord in Truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as a Guide and Glad Tidings to the Muslims.". The pronoun "it" in this verse refers to the Quran because the word Quran is mentioned in the last verses before this verse. Notice that Quran 16 is a Meccan Surah, which means it was revealed relatively early.-- Commenter7 ( talk) 07:56, 12 June 2020 (UTC) The Archangel Gabriel was a companion of Muhammad and supported him in his battles (for example, he descended with thousands of angels during the battle of Badr "see Quran 3:125" and this Hadith for example), but the Quran itself was revealed through the Holy Spirit not through Gabriel.-- Commenter7 ( talk) 08:04, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
The story about Gabriel bringing the revelation to Muhammad is most likely false. It seems to stem from some hadiths attributed to Aisha only. Many hadiths attributed to Aisha are incorrect.-- Commenter7 ( talk) 03:03, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
The first verses of Surah al-Muddathir were the first verses revealed to Muhammad. They were revealed after Muhammad saw God on the the clear horizon sitting on His Throne. (See Quran 81:23, and this Hadith for example "although the quality of the English translation provided on that website is very poor").-- Commenter7 ( talk) 03:37, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
Prophet muhammad (s. a) not founderof islam SHAJAHAN ADIKADALAYI ( talk) 15:16, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
Hello all, as we can see, this talk page is still used by people proposing to remove the images of Muhammad. I suggest adding the "Important notice" box as a edit notice of this talk page, so we remind people that don't read the banners at the page before clicking "new section". -- MrClog ( talk) 18:24, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
Mohammed peace be up on him is not the founder of Islam, infact He is the final prophet of islam religion and Islam is there on earth since the man sets his foot in earth. As per Islamic teachings Adam peace be up on him was the first human being on earth and first prophet of Islam as well. Please correct the statement on this page as Mohamed peace be up on him is the founder Islam. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8f8:1d39:ea13:e5e8:8b29:1909:483c ( talk) 18:06, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
As the above editor said, from a historical perspective Muhammad founded Islam. From your religious perspective, you may see things differently. But, facts don't lie or changed based on personal desire. 2605:A601:A880:8C00:34F2:BF61:921D:81E3 ( talk) 22:33, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
Kuran says about prayer in kuran and also about the fasting and even tells if you can't fast you must feed the poor for that. So the sentence that says its just sunnah should be changed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shahid699 ( talk • contribs) 10:44, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
In Sura 2/Chapter AlBaqara :
O you who have believed, decreed upon you is fasting as it was decreed upon those before you that you may become righteous - (183) [Fasting for] a limited number of days. So whoever among you is ill or on a journey [during them] - then an equal number of days [are to be made up]. And upon those who are able [to fast, but with hardship] - a ransom [as substitute] of feeding a poor person [each day]. And whoever volunteers excess - it is better for him. But to fast is best for you, if you only knew. (184) The month of Ramadhan [is that] in which was revealed the Qur'an, a guidance for the people and clear proofs of guidance and criterion. So whoever sights [the new moon of] the month, let him fast it; and whoever is ill or on a journey - then an equal number of other days. Allah intends for you ease and does not intend for you hardship and [wants] for you to complete the period and to glorify Allah for that [to] which He has guided you; and perhaps you will be grateful. (185)
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WaleedAhmadAddas ( talk) 14:01, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
No, an interpretation of the Quran is not (necessarily) Sunnah but is considered an understanding reached by a reader of the Quranic text and this should be performed in accordance to the rules of EXEGESIS. /info/en/?search=Exegesis.
To be fair to the questioner, the verse DOES allude (implicitly) to the five/multiplicity of daily prayers but is not explicit of the total five. As for indentation, am not sure what is meant here as my replies are all in separate paras WaleedAhmadAddas ( talk) 17:39, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
Dear Wikipedia,
In the article on Muhammad, the last Prophet of Islam, you had a section on criticism for marriage 0f Aisha at a very young age. This CLAIM HAS now been refuted by validated and corroborated research. In so, AND out of transparency, you may kindly update and add the footnote that a new research (by Dr Adnan Ibrahim) has shown that the marriage was consummated when Aisha was above 18.
See page 19 and 20 in the link of the university of Leiden research below.
Thanks for your updating the page.
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https://zenodo.org/record/259600/files/12866608_A_Modern_Matn_Criticism_on_the_Tradition.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by WaleedAhmadAddas ( talk • contribs) 16:42, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for your feedback and also for your action to amend the sections, accordingly. The evidence brought forward (See the link of the university of Leiden research above) is overwhelming and may even deserve a new wiki page altogether on Aisha's Age at Marriage?
I hope to be of further support.— Preceding unsigned comment added by WaleedAhmadAddas ( talk • contribs)
Thanks and I urge the specialists or subject-matter experts at Wikipedia to READ carefully and Weigh-in this NEW evidence so as not to give-in to "feeding" more on this controversy --which should not have taken place considering the evidence. It only takes one black swan to refute the statement, "all swans are white". Please reconsider. WaleedAhmadAddas ( talk) 17:01, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
Then please make the adjustment as agreed earlier by Paul August and Gråbergs Gråa Sång. Also since this the first time for me to join Wiki Talks, I don't know what is the timeline for implementing the changes agreed to as I noticed here and in other few places that there is just "talk" and hardly any editorial adjustments made (and that can really "piss new contributors off" --as well said by Alivardi or Gråbergs Gråa Sång). WaleedAhmadAddas ( talk) 07:43, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
Thank you, however I find it very disturbing (if not a bit annoying) that every time one makes a contribution, that someone new (this time Tgeorgescu) joins the discussion and comes up with another comment!! You know too well that this could DILUTE the original understandings REACHED. We will not be able to reach any closure on this section or and in this manner. So kindly update the page as agreed and add the new resource that was shared. To summarize the outcomes of all your earlier contributions under this section, they are as follows: -crit section should mention that there are other age ideas; -Perhaps we should collapse this [crit] section...and we mention the dissenting option(s); -consider editing Aisha#Age_at_marriage/ Criticism_of_Muhammad#Age_of_3rd_wife_Aisha...this is one source among several, it may be worth adding somewhere; -and if you wish, you could all top it up by adding the full statement of Tgeorgescu as well: "Readers of Wikipedia, please note that Muhammad's marriage to Aisha is not a sin in Islam, not a sin in Christianity and not a sin in Judaism. It is only a "sin" in modern (i.e. fairly recent) secularism"... Wajaddas ( talk) 14:40, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
This "new research" is simply an opinion piece with no evidence of a peer-review process. It does not satisfy our WP:RS criteria for using academic work as sources. This is especially true when it comes to an area that has seen a lot of proper research. The proposition to throw all proper academic research out the window because one person wrote an opinion piece saying something else is a non-starter. Jeppiz ( talk) 15:20, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
I beg to differ, non-Muslims do not have the same authority to write on Islam as devout Muslim scholars — since it’s linked with the faith and the values. How could someone write on a subject not believing in its tenets or respecting its values or knowing the boundaries? I feel the writings on Prophet Muhammad or Islam in Wikipedia by non Muslims are biased and also disrespectful to many Muslim readers. I recommend to have a balance in the selection of contributors especially when it comes to the religious subjects. The objective of an encyclopaedia is to give a reader a first-hand understanding to go and do further research AND NOT TO CONFUSE OR PUT first-comers/readers OFF. I don’t know what percent of the scholars who wrote this page were from the faithfuls and you will now agree that it would be very odd if 100% were non-Muslims! I agree with you if the subject matter was any natural or social sciences but to understand the religious sphere, this is the domain of the true adherents of the faith. No one in his or her right mind will go to a non-Muslim to seek a better understanding of Islam. The same also applies to Christianity, Judaism and Hinduism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WaleedAhmadAddas ( talk • contribs) 21:21, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
The tendency which some females have, to underestimate their age needs no comment; it is well known to every one.Aisha, unconsciously, underestimated her age (like most women normally do). Since not a single person other than Aisha (not even her father Abu Bakr) reported that she was nine, there is no need to even think that she was nine. END OF STORY. [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2000:6A04:0:7916:E60F:202E:EE86 ( talk) 19:01, 7 July 2020 (UTC) References
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any reference to Qutham name? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2804:7F4:5082:F073:C4E1:BC39:BAEA:2A50 ( talk) 17:38, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
Greetings,
Planning to start a new article Draft:Islamic feminist views about Muhammad. Just informing here to see if any one interested to join in contributing newly planned article as part of Hermeneutics of feminism in Islam
Thanks
Bookku ( talk) 11:12, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
Prophet Muhammad was not the founder of Islam. According to Islamic beliefs, he was the last Prophet of Islam . And the founder of Islam was Adam. You can also check the Adam in Islam article.
According to Quran, Islam is believed to be started from the first human and nabi, Adam in Islam .
Kindly correct the information. TheChunky ( talk) 04:47, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
Lmao brother this article is about actual History and life Muhhamed Not islam's Sungpeshwe9 ( talk) 05:19, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
Hi.
If you feel interested in, then kindly do share your inputs on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Islam#Why is editorial participation of Muslim women on Wikipedia so low?
Thanks and regards
Bookku ( talk) 01:52, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
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Please add صلی اللہ تعالیٰ علیہ واٰلہٖ وسلَّم wherever the name of Muhammad صلی اللہ تعالیٰ علیہ واٰلہٖ وسلَّم is mentioned. 58.65.150.94 ( talk) 07:43, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
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Peace be upon him needed 64.222.180.90 ( talk) 13:16, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
Hello! I read many of the talk page questions and most of them seem to be offended by the pictures and other details. A notice is put up in the talk page but most people dont visit the talk page until necessary. I think there can be a notice saying something like "Content and images on this article may be offensive to some people" or a better phrased notice. Say your opinions. MRC2RULES ( talk) 07:34, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
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Similar to other pages Muhammad should have a| "venerated_in =" line. Doremon764 ( talk) 04:49, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
The chart on Muhammad in Islam has a Venerated section. Doremon764 ( talk) 01:46, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
Regarding the controversy over the Prophet being described as the "founder" of Islam: I'm not Muslim myself, but it seem to me that the word "founder" does not fully represent the complexity of his cultural role to many people, and a different phrase with a similar meaning may be more neutral and accommodating. I suggest "...was an Arab religious, social, and political leader and a foundational figure in Islam. According to Islamic doctrine, he was a prophet, sent to preach..."
It may also be worthwhile to include an infobox in the header that the Prophet's name is usually rendered "Muhammad ( pbuh)", "Muhammad ( SAW)" or similar by Muslims. Chinkeeyong ( talk) 13:33, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
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Your proposal is that we should tacitly state what amounts to a specific religious belief in Wikivoice, which is quite simply not going to happen. It’s been repeatedly requested, in some form or another. Often framed as out of consideration for the religious sensibilities of others, which is a violation of NPOV. Muhammad is universally regarded by mainstream secular scholarship as the historical founder of the religious movement we now refer to as “Islam”. So we state that. Editors all know and acknowledge that one of the primary beliefs in that religion is that Muhammad is part of a succession of prophets teaching the same general beliefs. That this is generally the worldview held by Muslims is likewise stated throughout this article, and others, as it should be. We describe the religious belief, but per NPOV, we also state that this is not accepted by mainstream scholarship, and by extension, the consensus that there is no supporting evidence for it. Symmachus Auxiliarus ( talk) 01:07, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
Fair enough, thanks for the well-reasoned reply. Chinkeeyong ( talk) 03:51, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
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Add ﷺ after muhammed 62.88.128.142 ( talk) 11:45, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
I have reviewed some parts of the debate and am familiar with how the reference is made in English, German and Arabic scholarly literature.
1. The transliteration common among Islamists, Arabists and Semitists writing in European languages should be included in addition to that of IPA. This is the most common spelling found in the specialized academic literature of these languages and the convention should not be ignored and because the article should also serve to familiarize the reader with what they might expect in further reading.
2. The teknonym and (the first 3/4 names in the) patronym should be included within the body of the text of the introduction directly following or preceding the common short name (see English article on Omar /info/en/?search=Omar for example). This is because inclusion of the nasab and the kunyah is the naming practice of the relevant epoch and region, the technical/scientific reference in the most relevant literature and Arab (and later Islamic) conventions and for purposes of disambiguation. (See also the article in German for an example, it translates as Mo/uhamme/ad with the full name... https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed)
3. Lastly, despite the fact that simply putting the most common first name in the world as "Muhammad" does serve to imply the article refers to the Muhammad, and contra English and German academic conventions I believe "Prophet Muhammad" should be the phrasing. Contrary to the previous debate, the term prophet is not technically honorific in and of itself (any more than Oracle of Delphi); it was not always so used nor is/was its absence in and of itself offensive. Furthermore, it is the most common reference worldwide and it serves to distinguish and define. Cotrary to popular belief, I believe this and the addition of the patronymic and teknonymic are, if anything, more rationally humanizing than piously aggrandizing: the term prophet is technical in nature in much Islamic/Muslim literature and the rest conforms with naming practices in the contemporary local culture.
This may seem to pile on yet another voice to a contentious and fruitless debate in which all possible opinions and arguments have already been put forth twice. This is especially true given that there is already a solid convention of naming the subject thus in the relevant lanuages. Nonetheless, given the globalized state of affairs, the fact that the subject is crossculturally identifiable, the technical soundness of better defining/distinguishing the subject and the fact that conventions may be altered for any number of reasons including elegance and accuracy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.203.147.253 ( talk) 13:03, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
No, we don't add honorifics to such things, any more than you'd like to see the Son of God, Jesus Christ. Please see /info/en/?search=MOS:PBUH 22:35, 27 October 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:A601:A880:8C00:D96A:516F:D88A:59B4 ( talk)
Add (Peace Be Upon Him) or (P.B.U.H.) after Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H.)'s name where this blessed and Holy name is mentioned in this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ghulamm-e-Mustafa ( talk • contribs) 11:44, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
Short 'NO' Wow, very polite.
That is ridiculous. What sort of absurd guideline that is to not to give due honor and respect to the beloved Prophet of billions of people around the world. We are not talking about some ordinary human being or some state's landlord. Ghulamm-e-Mustafa ( talk) 12:36, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
These comments are hilarious. These geniuses actually think Wikipedia is an moslem text, that will bend to their beliefs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.146.2.155 ( talk) 01:21, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
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Please add Prophet and 'Peace upon him' or (S) or saw, etc. Rayan-Zahid 358 ( talk) 18:11, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
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May you please get rid of the cartoons portraying the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). This is very disrespectful towards our religion. So may you please change them to images that do not contain him.
Thank you! Akthegreat1234 ( talk) 23:33, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
Europeans like to do that. His real name is Mohamed, but they want to add a letter "a" instead of "e", so we can get the word "mad". The same thing is that they twist the word "Quran" to Koran, and "Mosque" which is actually Masjid, to add the term "mosquit". Even in the French language, Muhammad, they write it as "Mahomet", and they refer to a satanic black idol with a goat's head "baphomet" . It is abhorrent racism against a messenger who is not white skin. Uryon988 ( talk) 15:04, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
I think you are mistaken. The word "Muhammad" has many pronunciations and I do not need a source to prove anything, but the fact that Europeans in medieval times used to distort the name of prophet to be more "demonic" such as "Magomed", "Mahound" and "Mahomet". Hyi9900 ( talk) 15:18, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
The same could be said for any peoples mate, the simplicity of the thing is that calling out racism due to name mispronunciations on an encyclopedia meant to be neutral is rather asinine.
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@ Hyi9900: I would point out here that this talk page is for discussing changes to the article only. Are there any changes being proposed here? Paul August ☎ 15:16, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
The article cites Medinan fever aggravated by stress as a possible cause of death, but it doesn't mention another cause of death, which is death by poisoning.
In some hadiths it is said that Muhammad was poisoned by a Jewish woman, and died because of it. Obviously I am not saying that this is 100% the cause of death, but I feel like that it should be mentioned, since Islamic scripture says that.
The hadiths that mention this are:
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Pls add a para on the journey of Prophet Muhammad to Taif, as it is missing from this page. thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.60.91.203 ( talk) 07:58, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for your reply. I found a section on the subject in Wikepedia : /info/en/?search=Muhammad%27s_visit_to_Ta%27if which tells the story of Muhammad's visit to Ta'if. Suggest to extract a suitable section from it and add it to the main page of Muhammad, thanks again.
Saying peace be upon him after Muhammad is mentioned in sufism section in the article, but it is not only the part of sufism, it is the part of the basic fundamental islamic custom, so I think the line should be transferred in Islamic tradition section. 43.245.121.56 ( talk) 19:30, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
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Kindly add ﷺ with Word Muhammad, anywhere found in this article...whole article ! Humzh Khalid ( talk) 18:45, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
The line in the first paragraph, "He is believed to be the last Prophet...", the word "believe must be removed, because He is the last Prophet whether someones believe it or not. Qureshi Bawa ( talk) 04:47, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
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Change X to Y X = Muhammad[n 1] (Arabic: مُحَمَّد, pronounced [muħammad];[n 2] c. 570 CE – 8 June 632 CE)[1] was an Arab religious, social, and political leader and the founder of Islam.[2] Y = Muhammad[n 1] (Arabic: مُحَمَّد, pronounced [muħammad];[n 2] c. 570 CE – 8 June 632 CE)[1] was the last prophet and messenger of Islam, commonly known as an Arab religious, social, and political leader.[2]
Explanation: Muhammad is not a founder of Islam, he is the last messenger of Islam. Islam simply means submitting to the will of the creator, which all the prophets did, and they (all prophets) called them self Muslims. 2600:1700:5862:F010:7181:CDA:8209:321 ( talk) 15:47, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
(Arabic: مُحَمَّد, pronounced [Muhammad] (PBUH); c. 570 CE – 8 June 632 CE) is Muslims religious, social, and political leader and the founder of Islam. The Holy Prophet Muhammad (Salah-u-Alihe Walihe Wasalam) is the last divine prophet of Allah. After His Eminence, no other prophet is going to be sent by Allah. The Prophet of Islam, from the beginning of his mission, introduced himself as the seal of the prophets and is accepted by the Muslims as such. The subject of finality of prophethood in [ Islamic doctrine] is considered to be an important matter and it is not in need of any evidence; as finality arbitration from Allah is clearly mentioned in the Holy Quran:
مَا كَانَ مُحَمَّدٌ أَبَآ أَحَدٍ مِّن رِّجَالِكُمْ وَلَكِن رَّسُولَ اللَّهِ وَخَاتَمَ النَّبِيِّينَ وَكَانَ اللَّهُ بِكُلِّ شَىْءٍ عَلِيماً
“Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but he is the Apostle of Allah and the Last of the prophets; and Allah is cognizant of all things.” (33:40) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eihtesham ( talk • contribs) 09:16, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
القول في تأويل قوله تعالى : مَا كَانَ مُحَمَّدٌ أَبَا أَحَدٍ مِنْ رِجَالِكُمْ وَلَكِنْ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ وَخَاتَمَ النَّبِيِّينَ وَكَانَ اللَّهُ بِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ عَلِيمًا (40) — Preceding
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أَشْهَدُ أَنْ لَا إِلَهَ إِلَّا اللَّهُ وَحْدَهُ لَا شَرِيكَ لَهُ وَأَشْهَدُ أَنَّ مُحَمَّدًا عَبْدُهُ وَرَسُولُهُ — Preceding
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I think it would be a good idea to add a Charlie Hebdo image of "Muhammad" to the Article. What do other people think? 68.206.249.124 ( talk) 14:14, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
Why not put caricatures on a page dedicated to Jesus? This is a page that relies on sources and is not nonsense Uryon988 ( talk) 14:50, 2 November 2020 (UTC) إِنَّ الْمُسْلِمِينَ وَالْمُسْلِمَاتِ وَالْمُؤْمِنِينَ وَالْمُؤْمِنَاتِ وَالْقَانِتِينَ وَالْقَانِتَاتِ وَالصَّادِقِينَ وَالصَّادِقَاتِ وَالصَّابِرِينَ وَالصَّابِرَاتِ وَالْخَاشِعِينَ وَالْخَاشِعَاتِ وَالْمُتَصَدِّقِينَ وَالْمُتَصَدِّقَاتِ وَالصَّائِمِينَ وَالصَّائِمَاتِ وَالْحَافِظِينَ فُرُوجَهُمْ وَالْحَافِظَاتِ وَالذَّاكِرِينَ اللَّهَ كَثِيرًا وَالذَّاكِرَاتِ أَعَدَّ اللَّهُ لَهُم مَّغْفِرَةً وَأَجْرًا عَظِيمًا (35) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.248.56.141 ( talk) 11:41, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
Preservation of Electronics Crimes Act 2016 (PECA) reserves the prohibition of any kind of misleading information especially regarding the Religious matters. People must be aware of that act before removing/adding any contents. Either we remove all sections under page "Muhammad[ [1]]" or avoid the conflicting statements altogether. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eihtesham ( talk • contribs) 16:00, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
I come on wikipedia thinking it's a reliable source but what do I see everywhere islam getting abused what's the matter with you I see no such thing with christanity buddhism I see no muslim bashing any other religion beliefs you all edit this page based on bukhari ever wondered how can book coming 2 centuries later describe the character of our prophet. Please for God's sake don't bash islam so much I know it's easy today because we are suppressed right now but our prophet is our honor please don't post unbearable contents about our islam on your page that would be pretty good from you guys Hjjhgt ( talk) 10:25, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
Man muslims are 2 billion in the world .2 billion muslims represent that man and you allowed wikipedia's to edit the criticism page.I saw jesus pbuh page nobody talks about his criticisms.My prophet is my life please for God's sake don't allow criticism page to be edited because criticsm are taken from sahih bukhari which is not entirely reliable source as it was written 150-200 years after our beloved prophet left this world how can a person now sitting on a comfort couch edit and malign our prophets image based on a book that came into this world almost 2 centuries later.Please my prophet was best in the world. He was best please delete criticisms page and correct it from reliable sources. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hjjhgt ( talk • contribs) 10:02, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
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Muhammad[n 1] (Arabic: مُحَمَّد, pronounced [muħammad];[n 2] c. 570 CE – 8 June 632 CE)[1] was an Arab religious, social, and political leader and the founder of Islam.
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Muhammad[n 1] (Arabic: مُحَمَّد, pronounced [muħammad];[n 2] c. 570 CE – 8 June 632 CE)[1] was a religious leader, who is considered by many academic sources in the Western world to be the "founder of Islam",[2] A.889 ( talk) 21:22, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
Rationale: source #2 in the article "The Oxford Encyclopedia" represents a major view in the Western academia. Thus, it should be stated that this is a view that belongs to the Western academia in order to be neutral. — Preceding unsigned comment added by A.889 ( talk • contribs) 21:27, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
Warning Please read WP:NOTAFORUM and adhere to it. I removed a flagrant violation of it. Additional warning at user talk page will follow. As for the matter at hand, it has already been answered. Wikipedia is about verifiable sources, in which the consensus is that Muhammad was rhe founder of Islam. We do not follow devotional views for any religion. Jeppiz ( talk) 19:10, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
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عَلَيْهِ ٱلسَّلَامُ 71.169.165.83 ( talk) 11:35, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
"The earliest surviving written sira ... Although the work was lost..." These contradictory phrases are applied to the same work. Please rewrite in a coherent manner. -- Khajidha ( talk) 14:10, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
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There doesn't appear to be any mention of statues. "For the first half of the 20th century, an eight-foot-tall marble statue of the Prophet Muhammad overlooked Madison Square Park from the rooftop of the Appellate Division Courthouse at Madison Avenue and 25th Street." Source NY Times: A Statue of Muhammad on a New York Courthouse More recently an artist in Australia with support from the Secular Party of Australia is building a statue mocking the prophet as an exercise in freedom of speech. Source: Wayne Smith building Muhammad Statue mocking the prophet. Art of Muhammad has not always been banned and indeeed nothing within the Quran actually forbids imagery depicting the prophet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.171.219.227 ( talk) 02:36, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
So you are saying I should add it to more pages? Good idea but I haven't the time really. Thought those two pages were the most relevant. The other is more relevant than this one? Ok. Fascinating. Don't see why you would bring it up but nice observational skills I guess possibly. Seems a minute thing to focus on though. Wait. No mention of statues required did you say? This figure from the barbaric 7th century has hardly any monuments to his bloodthirsty killings. Alexander had a library. Genghis Khan built cities. Hitler designed sports stadiums. Would you mention a great egyptian pharoah without reference to his pyramid? Stone outlasts the written word. Even legends die but monuments last thousands of years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.167.208.109 ( talk) 09:27, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
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Please change: "the founder of Islam" to the "the last prophet in the Islamic belief." 178.115.128.212 ( talk) 08:34, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
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The Article about Prophet dont mention about his supposed Peadophilic nature, As Wikipedia claim to be neutral therefore we should present that many leading Scholars agreed that he indeed has Tinge of being a Paaedophilic Man, I can quote scholars who said he was sexually attracted to Aisha at Minor Age but later Persian writters turned a saint and Prophet out of Muhammad. Should I add that ????
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According to Dan Gibson, this was the place where Muhammad lived his youth and received his first revelations. As the first Muslim mosques and cemeteries show, it was also the first Qibla direction of Muslims. [1] [2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.242.133.192 ( talk) 15:14, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
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I don't have to edit anything, just write (saw) or (pbuh) after Muhammad everytime .e.g, Muhammad saw or Muhammad pbuh.. 2409:4054:96:82B4:0:0:E7D:F0A0 ( talk) 17:08, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
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"change 'founder of Islam' to 'reviver of Islam' " 103.152.103.26 ( talk) 13:03, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
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Good day, in the Islamic world you can not say the Prophet Muhammeds name without saying the words "Peace Be Upon Him" afterwards. It is considered offensive and Muslims take it very personally. That being said, the repetitiveness in this instance would make it cumbersome for the reader. So a humble request that it be included in the heading at the very least. This would be greatly appreciated by the Islamic world. TIA.
May the Almighty guide us all! Ameen
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Since this website's goal is to state facts and not mere speculations, at least in the lists of a person's biography, I want to suggest this edit. It is almost unanimously agreed upon among the islamic scholars and biographers that Muhammad(SAW) had 11 wives. Rayhana(R) and Maria Al-Qibtiya(R) were his concubines, so they should be listed as such. Although there were a few weak narrations claiming that they were married by our Prophet(S), they were not proven and holds no weight to those claims. So I request the admins/editors to change it up. We muslims will be very grateful for this correction. Ishan87 ( talk) 10:59, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
"However, the most accepted position among the Muslims is that the Prophet manumitted her and married her." This statement definitely is not true. The most accepted position among muslims is that Muhammad (SAW) had 11 wives and she was not a wife. There's no historical evidence or strong hadith to suggest she was a wife. The link you provided is that sole weak mention which is heavily disputed. There is a strong hadith which basically says- Muhammad (SAW) asked her to be free and marry him, but she choose to remain Jewish and a concubine. Another narration says that later (probably after a year or so) she accepted islam, but there was absolutely no mention of her being freed or marriage. I don't remember the exactly remember the hadith or seerah books-chatper-page numbers, but you can look it up easily by searching. I can provide the links if necessary. As for Mary the Copt, I'm well aware of some people listing her as a wife, but it lacks evidence. There's literally no mention of our prophet marrying her. On the contrary, evidence suggests she remained a concubine. Anyway my point is, most of the scholars, biographers, historians, and books says Prophet Muhammad (SAW) has 11 wives, but nowadays young people prefer the internet for short n easy access, but the top site WP is showing the contradictory info which is sad. Btw, if you really want to go with "modern-day scholars" that the birthdate of Muhammad (S) should be changed as well, because it is not only suggested by modern scholars but modern calculations has suggested that 9th RA of 571 CE is the most likely date of his birth. I suggest you look that up too. Hope you get my point. Thank you.
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Concubines and any relationships out of wedlock is haraam and was preached so. Many hadeeth and quraanic verses can back this up. This is common knowledge amongst ALL scholars. The Prophet Muhammad SAW had no such relationships. Fatimah05 ( talk) 21:34, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
Add the word prophet before Muhammad peace be upon him he is a messenger of ALLAH like adam peace be upon him And isa Ibne mariya peace be upon him Shaqibsiddiqui19 ( talk) 19:28, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
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I need to fix this page. Because I thought it should not be written that the Prophet Muhammad was the founder of Islam if this article would be appropriate to neutral point of view. This is not the case with the belief of Islam. According to Islam, Islam sent by Allah. If this article denies or implies otherwise, it contains a biased expression. İsmail Kendir ( talk) 17:45, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
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I am a Muslim, in our belief Muhammad (pbuh) is not a founder, but a messenger. Therefore, the word "founder" refutes Islam as a term. We need to change it. İsmail Kendir ( talk) 16:57, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
Founder is not right word, secondly we dont use any photos of our beloved prophet, pls remove his imaginary pics... Mohammed Abrar Ahmed Khan ( talk) 09:15, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
I concure with @Anachronist Ip says: Work Better yes. ( talk) 23:28, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
I have a second suggestion. If you oppose to this suggest, ask yourself "why shouldn't I follow this suggestion?" instead of asking me "why should I follow this suggestion". The fact that you find this addition unnecessary cannot be regarded as an obstacle to fulfilling this recommendation. If making this change is not going to unhealthy for the page, let's do it.
It's not my problem if you try to to prove that I am wrong without reading and understanding all the sentences above:
{{Short description|Political and social leader, the last prophet in Islamic belief}}
Muhammad [n 1] ( Arabic: مُحَمَّد, pronounced [muˈħammad]; [n 2] c. 570 CE – 8 June 632 CE) [1] was a former merchant, an Arabian religious, philosophical, social and political leader, the last prophet in Islamic belief. İsmail Kendir ( talk) 13:54, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
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{{edit extended-protected|Muhammad|answered=yes} Alhamdulillah I am a Muslim. You have wrote on your page ( /info/en/?search=Depictions_of_Muhammad) that the permissibility of depictions of Muhammad in Islam has been a contentious issue. Today I was keenly visiting the page ( /info/en/?search=Muhammad) in order to acquire specific knowledge. At that visit, I've seen some controversial images titled:
1. Mohammed receiving revelation from the angel Gabriel 2. La.Vie.de.Mahomet
I strongly condemn these useless and controversial act. These images can provoke religious emotions of Muslims world-wide on notice. I request you to please remove this controversial content from wikipedia, wikimedia and all other pages you have access. Muslim user ( talk) 06:42, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
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There are some incorrect facts as muslims do not believe Peophet Muhammad was the founder of Islam rather they believe he is the last prophet of Islam Editingmachinee321 ( talk) 03:23, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
After so much discussion, I think we should now consider an alternative sentence. I tried to bring a sentence and short description that almost nobody would object to:
Muhammad [n 1] ( Arabic: مُحَمَّد, pronounced [muˈħammad]; [n 2] c. 570 CE – 8 June 632 CE) [1] was a former merchant, an Arabian religious, philosophical, social and political leader, the last prophet in Islam.
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"Religious leader and main prophet of Islam"
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This comes up so frequently, I am surprised nobody has added an entry to Talk:Muhammad/FAQ by now. I suggest something like this:
That is pretty rough and would need revising (both the wording of the question as well as the answer). The answer should briefly summarize the arguments made in numerous archived discussions that led to the article using this term, so that any further discussion must focus on arguments not already made. It should probably be put after question #5. ~ Anachronist ( talk) 19:23, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
@ Jeppiz:I have never said your arguments are faulty. I have said that part of explanation provided for the FAQ in question that "The contention that Islam has always existed and Muhammad was its messenger is a religious belief, grounded in faith, and Wikipedia cannot promote religious beliefs as facts.” is faulty or in other words incorrect which I originally meant. I am sorry if it gives you that impression. It is incorrect because it is not true. And I never said Muhammad cannot be considered the historical founder of Islam. The fact that it is now being debated as to whether we can use it or not tells me that the statement is a controversial one, at least among the Muslims. Now we have resolved other problems surrounding Muhammad such as use of his image and so on. What I was in fact saying is as long as we can solve the problem in a more neutral way we should go for that. Here we can do that just by modifying the description a little. That is why, I am in favour of either providing a little context to the text added. Alternatively, we can simply state that he is the central figure of Islam. The question of scholarship is not that important here. The scholarship I am referring to is also stemming from these and other institutions from around the world so the CHOPSY test doesn't apply here. I am neither a citizen of United States nor greater Europe. Are you suggesting that other countries in the world is not producing scholarship suitable to include in Wikipedia? What problem there is if we simply refer to Muhammad as the central figure of Islam instead of saying he is the founder of Islam? Mosesheron ( talk) 13:53, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
7 Submit yourselves therefore to God (i.e be Muslims, because Muslims means: submitter to God). Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.. It is just that "Muslims" is an arabic word, so you shouldn't be searching for an arabic word in a Bible written in Greek. You need to look for the Greek word that is equivalent to the Arabic word "Muslim", and this is present in James 4:7.-- Zymogen ( talk) 20:58, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
And again, this section is about a new FAQ entry. The article is stable, and this topic keeps coming up, so we need a FAQ entry. Nobody has objected to my proposal except me. ~ Anachronist ( talk) 21:45, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
@ Anachronist: I think your proposal is a reasonable one. Although I would simply prefer to describe him as "the central figure of Islam" instead of perpetuating this founder of Islam "controversy". However, if the community decides to maintain the status quo, I would suggest to strike out the "and Muhammad was its messenger" part. Because although there exists such a belief among Muslims that Islam (not historical Islam) in its primordial sense has always existed, no one believes Muhammad was its messenger or the only messenger. He is believed to be rather the last prophet of this perceived primordial tradition that recognizes major prophets of other religions including prophets of Judaism and Christianity. Overall, I find no major problem with the text. But couldn't we simply add that he is "the central figure of Islam" in place of this much debated founder of Islam statement? I think that would be better. Anyway, that's a personal opinion after all. Mosesheron ( talk) 18:36, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
We're not conducting a debate here, we're merely explaining Wikipedia to you. You don't need to like them, but you do need to follow them. Please note that your constant beating of this dead horse is becoming disruptive, as others have already pointed out. Jeppiz ( talk) 14:39, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
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I'd like to fix the minor typos and strengthen the expression on the page. İsmail Kendir ( talk) 19:07, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
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Prophet Muhammad SAW died the same day he was born, It's strongly proved by history then why Prophet's Birthday Isn't mentioned certainty?
Prophet Muhammad SAW died the same day he was born, It's strongly proved by history then why Prophet's Birthday Isn't mentioned certainty? 103.242.21.225 ( talk) 22:16, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
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This line should be removed immediately. EditorOfWiki3002 ( talk) 11:37, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
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I'd like to get word "founder" in the first sentence changed; change the word which is assuming that Islam wasn't exists before Muhammad, so which is denying an Islamic teach, since that word expresses the prophet Muhammad from an anti Islamic Perspective instead of a neutral point of view. Please do not make an effort to convince me, change it if you agree or say that you do not accept if disagree. If you don't change it, you are responsible for this inexactitude. İsmail Kendir ( talk) 18:31, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
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My request is to change the name from “Muhammad” to “Muhammad S.A.W” or “Muhammad PBUH” PBUH stands for Peace Be Upon Him. Reason for that is that writing only “Muhammad” is not suitable and is not enough because of the status of Hazrat Muhammad S.A.W being a Prophet and massanger of Allah. And in Islam Being commanded by Allah and out of Respect “S.A.W” or “PBUH” must be written and spoken with the name of prophet Muhammad S.A.W. My request is to please update and you can do your research as well. May Allah give you hidayat. HamidAlikhanBaloch ( talk) 13:53, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
My request is to change the name from “Muhammad” to “Muhammad S.A.W” or “Muhammad PBUH” PBUH stands for Peace Be Upon Him. Reason for that is that writing only “Muhammad” is not suitable and is not enough because of the status of Hazrat Muhammad S.A.W being a Prophet and massanger of Allah. And in Islam Being commanded by Allah and out of Respect “S.A.W” or “PBUH” must be written and spoken with the name of prophet Muhammad S.A.W. My request is to please update and you can do your research as well. May Allah give you hidayat. HamidAlikhanBaloch ( talk) 13:55, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
Based on the discussion in the upper headline, I thought that the answer to the sixth question should be different. Look above to figure out why I say this:
"Let us explain why he is mentioned as the founder of Islam under two subhead. The word "Islam" on the page represents the
sharia only brought by Muhammad and does not refer to the laws believed to been sent by God to the prophets formerly. There's no specific name for the Islamic law brought by the Muhammad and that simply named as Islam by Muslims. That's why page says "Islam". And the word founder does not claims that Muhammad made up Islam or he was commissioned by God to found present Islamic faith. This word can be understand according both belief, changes depending to which point of view you look from."
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Let's analyze the proposal:
"The word 'Islam' on the page represents the sharia only brought by Muhammad and does not refer to the laws believed to been sent by God to the prophets formerly."
"There's no specific name for the Islamic law brought by the Muhammad and that simply named as Islam by Muslims. That's why the page says 'Islam'."
"And the word founder does not claims that Muhammad made up Islam or he was commissioned by God to found present Islamic faith. This word can be understand according both belief, changes depending to which point of view you look from."
In view of that last point, I have added a sentence to the FAQ entry about the intent of the context of the word "founder". ~ Anachronist ( talk) 17:35, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
User İsmail Kendir has been blocked indefinitely. -- Doctorx0079 ( talk) 14:46, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
The lede says: "Besides the Quran, Muhammad's teachings and practices (sunnah), found in the Hadith and sira (biography) literature, are also upheld and used as sources of Islamic law (see Sharia)." Am I to assume this is the consensus? It seems like common knowledge to me. Some sects want to word it differently but I think this is straightforward the way it is. -- Doctorx0079 ( talk) 21:00, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
User:Adigabrek is starting an edit war about similar wording in the Notes: "Muhammad united Arabia into a single Muslim polity, with the Quran as well as his teachings and practices forming the basis of Islamic religious belief." They keep deleting this sentence. I suspect that User:Adigabrek doesn't fully understand the wording. -- Doctorx0079 ( talk) 21:03, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
It seems there are sects other than Sunni and Shia that do not accept Muhammad's teachings and practices as part of Islam? Should this be mentioned in the lede? -- Doctorx0079 ( talk) 21:13, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
Adigabrek says "There is no historical reliability (which is what we look for in wikipedia, not religious views) that the traditionalist (Sunni/Shia) Islam was ever practiced by Muhammad." Does this work the other way around? Is there really historical basis for the view that Islam includes teachings and practices of Muhammad outside of the Quran? -- Doctorx0079 ( talk) 21:16, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
Would it be fair to add a caveat such as "According to Sunni and Shia tradition"? Trying to prove the teachings and practices of Muhammad is like trying to prove what Moses said. -- Doctorx0079 ( talk) 21:53, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
It is, however, certain that Muḥammad did speak in this place and utter the famous sentence, for the account of this event has been preserved, either in a concise form or in detail, not only by al-Yaʿḳūbī, whose sympathy for the ʿAlid cause is well known, but also in the collections of traditions which are considered as canonical, especially in the Musnad of Ibn Ḥanbal; and the ḥadīt̲h̲s are so numerous and so well attested by the different isnāds that it does not seem possible to reject them. [2]
The Sunnah represents actions and sayings of Muhammad (preserved in reports known as Hadith) and covers a broad array of activities and beliefs ranging from religious rituals, personal hygiene, and burial of the dead to the mystical questions involving the love between humans and God. The Sunnah is considered a model of emulation for pious Muslims and has to a great degree influenced the Muslim culture. The greeting that Muhammad taught Muslims to offer each other, "may peace be upon you" (Arabic: as-salamu 'alaykum) is used by Muslims throughout the world. Many details of major Islamic rituals such as daily prayers, the fasting and the annual pilgrimage are only found in the Sunnah and not the Quran. [2]
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muhammad was a young wise man with lots of motavations to be a professional book reader 194.81.46.163 ( talk) 09:09, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
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The statement that Mohammed United the entire Arab world under Islam is not based on fact. There would have been many liars who professed Islam and minorities who were forced to profess Islam or die. Therefore, the following sentence is questionable: "Muhammad united Arabia into a single Muslim polity" Minorities and those threatened into professing Islam being "part of a united Muslim polity" is an insult to Islam, and further an insult to Mohammed that he himself united the entire Arab world into one single Muslim polity as an undivided unit. 120.22.7.246 ( talk) 18:20, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
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First thing to edit is his life, age 6 to 12, there is another one in between namely 8 when his grandfather died and gave his responsibility to his uncle... at age 12, his uncle took him to syria. These are major errors and must be corrected 175.107.6.55 ( talk) 05:38, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
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Assalamu Alaikum, about the title of the article, could you please put Muhammad(Peace Be Upon Him) or just Muhammad(PBUH). Thank you! Amin ouargui ( talk) 05:29, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
History of Islam is mainly based on 9-10 century muslim traditions. I'd like to see 6-7 century historical records. TD&JP — Preceding unsigned comment added by TrickyDicky123 ( talk • contribs) 12:59, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
It would be advisable to add the term “central figure” instead of founder or last prophet as to end the controversy. Just as its done for the Wikipedia page of Jesus Christ /info/en/?search=Jesus Rasalghul1711 ( talk) 20:40, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
"Muhammad was a prophet loved by many. he was called (pronunciation: al-ameen.) the trustworthy because he would never tell a lie, and even men that wanted to KILL him gave him their money for safekeeping."-Muslimeen( 2001:8003:7844:9000:1805:4E1A:C6D1:354D ( talk))
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Hello, Kindly add PBUH (peace be upon him) after his name. Will be very much appreciated. 119.73.121.246 ( talk) 05:45, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
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The Line which has misinformation about Muslims having difference of opinion about end of Prophethood if FALSE. Please make an edit ASAP. The reference is clear throughout the Muslims and anybody who denies this isn’t considered a Muslim. Reflexa9 ( talk) 20:38, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
==Family tree==
Kilab ibn Murrah | Fatimah bint Sa'd | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Zuhrah ibn Kilab (progenitor of Banu Zuhrah) maternal great-great-grandfather |
Qusai ibn Kilab paternal great-great-great-grandfather |
Hubba bint Hulail paternal great-great-great-grandmother | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Abd Manaf ibn Zuhrah maternal great-grandfather | `
Abd Manaf ibn Qusai paternal great-great-grandfather |
Atikah bint Murrah paternal great-great-grandmother | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Wahb ibn `Abd Manaf maternal grandfather |
Hashim ibn 'Abd Manaf (progenitor of Banu Hashim) paternal great-grandfather |
Salma bint `Amr paternal great-grandmother | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Fatimah bint `Amr paternal grandmother | `
Abdul-Muttalib paternal grandfather |
Halah bint Wuhayb paternal step-grandmother | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Aminah mother |
`Abdullah father |
Az-Zubayr paternal uncle |
Harith paternal half-uncle |
Hamza paternal half-uncle | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Thuwaybah first nurse |
Halimah second nurse |
Abu Talib paternal uncle |
`Abbas paternal half-uncle | Abu Lahab paternal half-uncle | 6 other sons and 6 daughters | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Muhammad |
Khadija first wife |
`Abd Allah ibn `Abbas paternal cousin | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Fatimah daughter |
Ali paternal cousin and son-in-law family tree, descendants |
Qasim son |
`Abd-Allah son | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Zainab daughter |
Ruqayyah daughter |
Uthman second cousin and son-in-law family tree |
Umm Kulthum daughter |
Zayd adopted son | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Ali ibn Zainab grandson |
Umamah bint Zainab granddaughter | `
Abd-Allah ibn Uthman grandson |
Rayhana bint Zayd wife |
Usama ibn Zayd adoptive grandson | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Muhsin ibn Ali grandson |
Hasan ibn Ali grandson |
Husayn ibn Ali grandson family tree |
Umm Kulthum bint Ali granddaughter |
Zaynab bint Ali granddaughter |
Safiyya tenth wife | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Abu Bakr father-in-law family tree |
Sawda third wife |
Umar father-in-law family tree |
Umm Salama sixth wife |
Juwayriya eighth wife |
Maymuna eleventh wife | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Aisha third wife Family tree | {{{Zaynab bint Khuzaymah}}} |
Hafsa fourth wife |
Zaynab seventh wife |
Umm Habiba ninth wife |
Maria al-Qibtiyya twelfth wife | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Ibrahim son | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Greetings, as per according to a book called: "The 100: A Ranking of the Most Influential Persons in History" written by Michael H. Hart, Muhammad is considered to be the most influential person in history. Namely, You can read more about it on the link below this request. As per this request, I would like to ask You to add this piece of information to the section Legacy, specifically its subsection "Modern historians"
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https://www.gainpeace.com/about-muhammad/most-influential-person-in-history-by-michael-h-hart Dzida888 ( talk) 15:09, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
In the 'Islamic tradition' section a quotation has the full stop both before and after the quotation mark. I thought I knew this rule but am beginning to doubt myself can someone fix it if needed. The internet has been a little contradictory hence my ask for help. From text: In Islamic belief, Muhammad is regarded as the last prophet sent by God.[254][255][256][257][258] Quran 10:37 states that "...it (the Quran) is a confirmation of (revelations) that went before it, and a fuller explanation of the Book—wherein there is no doubt—from The Lord of the Worlds.".
Dushan Jugum ( talk) 11:38, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
"Foo bar baz.".
is an error. If the quoted material is a full sentence and ended with the dot, include the terminal punctuation inside the quotation marks ("Foo bar baz."
); put it outside otherwise ("Foo bar baz".
). As that last sentence shows, however, material inside parentheses that ends with a dot – most often an abbreviation but in this case sample code – does not obviate a sentence-ending dot after the parenthetical if it ends the sentence. Finally, don't trust "the Internet" (i.e. millions of random strangers who have nothing authoritative to say about how to write on Wikipedia) on this or any other style question, or even trust other style guides like The Chicago Manual of Style or New Hart's Rules. You'll get different answers from every style source you consult. We have our own style manual for good reasons, most importantly inter-article consistency and reduction of editorial conflict over style trivia (which is inevitable if one is bible-thumping their copy of CMoS and another quoting NHR, or whatever). —
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14:13, 30 July 2021 (UTC)Fixed. The original ends with a period. -- Doctorx0079 ( talk) 14:54, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
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In what sense is the word "founder" used on this page? J-ğğğ-ğğğ-J ( talk) 14:05, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
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Hi! Can you add this description to beginning of the Appearance section?
In one of the earliest sources, Ibn Sa'd's Kitab al-Tabaqat al-Kabir, there are numerous verbal descriptions of Muhammad. One description sourced to Ali ibn Abi Talib is as follows:
References
In the introduction the following is stated:
He is believed to be the final prophet of God in all the main branches of Islam, though some modern denominations diverge from this belief.[n 2]
However, the note only contains a reference to the Ahmaddiya branch.
The sentence should be changed either to "though the Ahmaddiya branch diverge from this belief" OR more references should be added that supports the statement. It's either one denomination or more IF you back it up with more references.
Kind regards, AA — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.205.140.33 ( talk • contribs) 23:59, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
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Please also write the Peace Be Upon Him after the name of Holy Prophet Muhammad Peace Be Upon Him 182.186.28.105 ( talk) 04:36, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
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add this (ﷺ) with the name muhammad ﷺ. Mack13373 ( talk) 10:32, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
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was an Arab religious, social, and political leader and the messenger of the world religion of Islam.[2] According to Islamic doctrine, AdilAleem1281 ( talk) 16:37, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
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Mohammad (SAW) is the last and final messenger of Allah.Not a founder of Islam. Understand, Definitely you should use this word (SAW- Sallallahu alaihi wasallam) after every place of name mentioned.Eg; Mohammad (Saw) 2409:4072:6D9C:9531:0:0:2348:C05 ( talk) 09:05, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
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prophet Muhammad peace be upon him is not the founder of religion,he is the last messenger of Allah who preached Islam and Qur'an.please I kindly request you to change that! 2402:4000:1183:1456:2DF3:9358:953E:369E ( talk) 02:13, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
He was not only an Islamic prophet, but is also a Bahá'i, Druzi, Shabaki, Sikhi and other religion's prophet. Calling him only Islamic prophet is wrong. Either call him only prophet or Bahá'i, Druzi, Sikhi, Islamic and Shahabki prophet. I think the MOS:ISLAM should also change on this as it says Islamic prophet is recommended rather than only prophet. Mohhsiinn ( talk) 10:36, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
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Please can you add peace be upon him after everytime the Beloved prophets name is mentioned. Thanks Pk7869 ( talk) 14:50, 19 August 2021 (UTC)