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This article was recently proposed for deletion on the grounds that some content should be removed under WP:BLPCRIME and the rest would not meet WP:GNG. I'm not sure what needs to be removed and what can stay since I'm not familiar enough with BLPCRIME to know how it applies here, but I'm confident that Kottmann meets GNG either way. They have been the subject of significant coverage in reliable sources on several occasions, independent of the recent indictment, including a source code dump in summer 2020 as well as the Verkada hack. The article just needs expansion and more citations to reflect that. I’m away from my computer right now and therefore offwiki, so I’m leaving this note in hopes that anyone reading it will choose to improve the article rather than pursuing its deletion. ezlev. talk 19:36, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
I have observed in some chat rooms talk of how this page is to be written, I do believe that it is all in good faith, and wanting to be done in respect to WP's guidelines and polices. As I also have a COI, I have limited myself to tagging the page, and un-linking the word "gigabytes". LakesideMiners Come Talk To Me! 20:23, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
I'm a contributor here and I'm close to tillie, if someone could add the COI tag for me that would be great 4PERTURE xda ( talk) 15:24, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
Kottmann has posted on Mastodon to explicitly confirm for Wikipedia that "i was born on august 7th 1999 and that my pronouns are it/its fae/faer she/her they/them." The link is here. I believe this information can be used in the article per WP:ABOUTSELF, so I'm going to add it and cite the post, but this is uncharted territory for me and I'm creating this talk page section in case discussion is necessary. ezlev. talk 21:12, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
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This is good work for how much drama was surrounding it. It's a first attempt, and it does have some serious structural considerations. Some are relatively simple; some might require digging deep for resolution, or end up unable to be satisfactorily resolved.
My first points:
So that's where we're starting from. Will see how this evolves. Vaticidal prophet 08:51, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
born 1999, also known as deletescape and tillie crimewisn't a great way to present that information -- we generally have brackets reserved for dates of birth.
Tillie Kottmann (born August 7, 1999), also known as deletescape and tillie crimewis more typical. (Also, although as a subject with no particular ties to any English-speaking country you're free to use whatever DMY/MDY you want, note that this sometimes inspires WP:LAME edit wars. Not a GAN note, more a weary warning from experience.)
As you seem to be editing right now, I'll make some notes about "Personal life":
Vaticidal prophet 19:45, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
as of July 2020 she maintained a Telegram channel where she shared details about leaks by othersstands out to me. As I understand from her social media, a lot of that stuff was compromised or taken down at some point. Do we have any up-to-date idea of what happened to the channel? A less-good source is fine -- the "this is important enough to mention in the article" is already covered by the channel itself being covered in RSes. Vaticidal prophet 19:09, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
As of April 3, 2021, a crowdfunding campaign had been created to raise money for her to retain a lawyer in the United States and had raised $4,000 of its $10,000 goal. I can't imagine the campaign has the same number nearly two months on, and as a result I'm unsure we need to give a number for how much it's raised and when -- it gives an updates-up-to-the-minute impression that causes WP:NOTNEWS issues. I think this can be restructed to simply mention a crowdfund was created.
Vaticidalprophet, I'm realizing I should tell you I'll be completely offwiki from the 21st through most of July. I have no desire to rush you or this process – just wanted to let you know. ezlev ( user/ tlk/ ctrbs) 19:46, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
Alright, here we go. (Aside: I've removed the box, because they're annoying to update for something that's changed radically over the course of the GAN.) Prose and sourcing.
I'm still unconvinced that this should be one sentence. "Kottman is nonbinary and uses [pronouns]" (aside: is 'nonbinary' or 'transfeminine' more accurate for the article? both?), and as for her screen names, I'm not actually sure 'personal life' is where they fit most naturally. "Under the pseudonym 'deletescape', she did [thing X]" and "under the pseudonym 'tillie crimew', she did [thing Y]" in relevant sections appears to fit better. Also, though 'deletescape' is a notable pseudonym, I'm not sure there's any coverage regarding 'tillie crimew', and it's close enough to her actual name it may end up just being omitted if you can't find much about it elsewhere.
This looks to be a bit more discussed in the sources -- her slogan translates for me as "Capitalism destroys creativity" (there may be a more accurate translation?), and that seems to be a fun thing to mention. I think it would also work somewhat better from a 'show, don't tell' perspective about her ideologies. It's one thing to say she's an anti-capitalist anarchist, but it comes across better to readers if you instead focus on what she said to Bloomberg, her political memberships, her run for council...On that note, I think there's a bit too much focus on political motive. Her friends talking to Zentralplus seem to treat the hack as at least somewhat apolitical/driven by fun rather than ideology, and it's worth mentioning that.
"As a result" is superfluous. It may also be worth adding from the source that the Gigaleak was never on GitLab at all.
I don't really like this phrasing, and I'm not sure it isn't WP:PLEONASM. ("You mean a major mainstream internet corp isn't cool with data leaks?") At most, I think "suspended for violations of Twitter's terms of service after she used it to..." works better.
This is a quote from the Verge source. It's not -- so far as I can see? -- in the article, and seems worth mentioning that they used public information.
Bit of a run-on, I think. "Such as" flows a bit more naturally than 'included', and you may or may not want a comma after 'merchandise'.
I think this is better worded with the clauses flipped -- "people used the hashtag #freetillie to express support for Kottmann after the raid of her home".
zentralplus have a dewiki article, which should be linked accordingly (also in the refs). As for those refs with no articles on any project, I'm not sure they should be redlinked.
Otherwise, all broadly good. Vaticidal prophet 21:14, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
Being queer and experiencing discrimination contributed to the development of Kottmann's political viewsas the first sentence of the politics paragraph in personal life, when I think it fits better still coming after the label-description of what her politics are, so last sentence now. Vaticidal prophet 22:41, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
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I was browsing the Good Article list and came upon this page. I have absolutely no idea who this person is but the article lacks any criticism whatsoever of what amounts to an indicted criminal, regardless of supposed good intentions. I see now there's several
WP:COI suspicions and off-site coordination and as an uninvolved editor this frankly looks like textbook
WP:ADVOCACY and
astroturfing. The first source I checked is a random self-published blog
[1] that is used several times for sourcing statements... what the hell? The second is "zentralplus", a Swiss or German website that lacks a Wikipedia page and haven't seen anywhere across Wikipedia before. This website is used in almost every other sentence. I see several giveaways the subject is aware of this article and has tried to shape it, providing "statements for Wikipedia" and a selfie to Commons. The lede has a sentence that reads and the Swiss magazine Republik compared her to Jeremy Hammond and Aaron Swartz.
. Google Translate says the sentence reads "Because the young Lucerne woman is in the tradition of hackers like Jeremy Hammond or Aaron Swartz." and that's the amount of the comparison. I made sure to translate to Spanish and Portuguese which I'm versed on too and all three translations suggest the same meaning, the article is just mentioning hackers/hacktivists, it's a big reach to say "compared to".
Further on, the sentence On March 8, 2021, a group of hackers including Kottmann and calling themselves "
APT -
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linking to the number articles is a laughable
WP:OR, none of the sources make the connection to the name and cannabis culture, and it seems the author wanted to make clear the name of the hacker group and its meaning just because. The sentence During the hack, Kottmann tweeted "What if we just absolutely ended surveillance capitalism in two days?"
is sourced to
Newsweek which is on the
PERENNIAL SOURCES list and is considered generally unreliable. The sentence Hernâni Marques, a board member of the Swiss chapter of Chaos Computer Club, called for "solidarity" with Kottmann.
which is sourced to
20 Minuten a free, train commute local paper. To be honest I can barely see how this article passed the
NOTABILITY criteria. From what I can gather, she's textbook "notable only for a single event" (
WP:SINGLEEVENT), the Verkada hack, which isn't notable to have its own article. In coverage of this incident, there's a lot of quoting to her, or using self-published sources (blogs, tweets, etc.), but are used here as statements of fact.
I can't really tell how all of these went unnoticed by the people that suggested a GA status. For now I'm placing a COI tag. -- Loganmac ( talk) 22:16, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
Prosecutors in Seattle, however, sharply rebuked the view that the hacks had any redeeming quality. “Stealing credentials and data, and publishing source code and proprietary and sensitive information on the web is not protected speech -- it is theft and fraud,” Acting U.S. Attorney Tessa Gorman said in a statement announcing Kottmann’s indictment. “Wrapping oneself in an allegedly altruistic motive does not remove the criminal stench from such intrusion, theft, and fraud.”
“These kinds of individuals have to be held responsible,” said Nawrocki, now managing director of digital investigations and cyber defense at investigations firm Nardello & Co.. “Regardless of ideology, this is not white-hat hacking,” describing those who report computer bugs to companies so they can be fixed. “This is potentially inviting others to conduct hacking operations. To me, that’s criminal activity.”
consensus is to evaluate Newsweek content on a case-by-case basis, so there could definitely be further discussion about whether that particular article is a reliable source.
Per LightNightLights, I'm starting a discussion here to include the Anarchism sidebar in the article. maia is a self-identified anarchist, notes it on her blog/site, retweets tweets identifying her as such, etc. It is explicitly clear that her activism is centered on ideas in-line with anarchism (such that it fits descriptively) and also that it is how she views those actions herself. This is very much in-line with another anarchist hacker, Jeremy Hammond, who (1) has the Anarchism sidebar in their article in the same manner I added it to this one and (2) is even mentioned in the lede of this article as a comparison to maia.
LightNightLights mentioned in their revert of my edit that they view maia as more notable as a hacker than as an anarchist; that is completely irrelevant. People (and topics) contain multitudes and can be notable for multiple labels. This is true across the entire project of Wikipedia, especially when the subject is politically engaged, which is unambiguously the case here. Just has Hammond can be an anarchist hacker and notable as both, so can maia.
The Anarchist sidebar is appropriate here and should be included in the article. Additionally, maia should be added whatever the appropriate anarchist categories are (such as "Swiss anarchists"), just as others are, even when their anarchism is less notable than maia's in their larger identity. Dfsghjkgfhdg ( talk) 16:53, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
So Maia and journalists at Mother Jones are connected in a leak of over 2,600 emails with Anti-Trans orginzations and people. Mother Jones released an article about the secret working group while Maia released the raw files, but stressed that she was not the source of the leak.
Mother Jones: https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/03/anti-trans-transgender-health-care-ban-legislation-bill-minors-children-lgbtq/
Maia: https://maia.crimew.gay/posts/the-emails/
Maia's tweet about the source: https://twitter.com/_nyancrimew/status/1633524123065372672
Should we add a section to this article about this or wait until it cooks a bit? OrlandoApollosFan69 ( talk) 22:04, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
In relation to the series of edits by 216.246.154.38, maia doesn't capitalise her name, and she requests where possible that articles that refer to her do so with the lower case spelling. With regards to MOS:PERSONAL, this is one of the exceptions where the entire name is not capitalised, and is largely reflected by sources that discuss her (eg Daily Dot, Business Insider, Forbes, Them.us, Gizmodo). Sideswipe9th ( talk) 04:09, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi, @ Sideswipe9th! I noticed and disagree with your reversion. I put the applicable quote from the very same MoS section you mentioned in my edit summary in an attempt to demonstrate the justification, but it seems that you may have interpreted it differently. Here is the full applicable MoS quote (annotated, emphasis added): "An exception [to capitalising proper names] is made when the lowercase variant has received regular and established use in reliable independent sources. In these cases, the name is still capitalized when at the beginning of a sentence, per the normal rules of English." This MoS section specifically states that, even in cases when proper names are not capitalised due to regular & established use, they are still capitalised when at the beginning of a sentence. Could you please self-revert? Thanks, Tol ( talk | contribs) @ 16:11, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
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Remove the capital 'M' at the beginning of the article to maintain consistency with the rest of the name. 82.4.118.242 ( talk) 21:16, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
Hey, so crimew does use she/her but it prefers it/it's; should we change this? 2600:1004:B0CC:8558:0:44:ACF3:1E01 ( talk) 00:06, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
TypistMonkey, I hate to revert you so often recently, but this edit is really problematic from a BLP policy point of view. We need to be extremely careful around discussing people's mental health, even when they discuss it themselves. I've reincorporated the raid trauma mention because I think it's a reasonable thing to include, but adding chunks of text to an article graphically describing a raid, and describing their mental health falling apart, cited to a blog (even their blog), isn't appropriate by our very high standards for writing about living people. It's also a WP:DUE issue, because it's not very covered by secondary sources, which are what we need to mostly work from. Vaticidal prophet 22:19, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
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change "rexperience" to "experience" near the end of the first paragraph of the section "Indictment" Y99dr451l ( talk) 12:04, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
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This article was recently proposed for deletion on the grounds that some content should be removed under WP:BLPCRIME and the rest would not meet WP:GNG. I'm not sure what needs to be removed and what can stay since I'm not familiar enough with BLPCRIME to know how it applies here, but I'm confident that Kottmann meets GNG either way. They have been the subject of significant coverage in reliable sources on several occasions, independent of the recent indictment, including a source code dump in summer 2020 as well as the Verkada hack. The article just needs expansion and more citations to reflect that. I’m away from my computer right now and therefore offwiki, so I’m leaving this note in hopes that anyone reading it will choose to improve the article rather than pursuing its deletion. ezlev. talk 19:36, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
I have observed in some chat rooms talk of how this page is to be written, I do believe that it is all in good faith, and wanting to be done in respect to WP's guidelines and polices. As I also have a COI, I have limited myself to tagging the page, and un-linking the word "gigabytes". LakesideMiners Come Talk To Me! 20:23, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
I'm a contributor here and I'm close to tillie, if someone could add the COI tag for me that would be great 4PERTURE xda ( talk) 15:24, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
Kottmann has posted on Mastodon to explicitly confirm for Wikipedia that "i was born on august 7th 1999 and that my pronouns are it/its fae/faer she/her they/them." The link is here. I believe this information can be used in the article per WP:ABOUTSELF, so I'm going to add it and cite the post, but this is uncharted territory for me and I'm creating this talk page section in case discussion is necessary. ezlev. talk 21:12, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
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This is good work for how much drama was surrounding it. It's a first attempt, and it does have some serious structural considerations. Some are relatively simple; some might require digging deep for resolution, or end up unable to be satisfactorily resolved.
My first points:
So that's where we're starting from. Will see how this evolves. Vaticidal prophet 08:51, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
born 1999, also known as deletescape and tillie crimewisn't a great way to present that information -- we generally have brackets reserved for dates of birth.
Tillie Kottmann (born August 7, 1999), also known as deletescape and tillie crimewis more typical. (Also, although as a subject with no particular ties to any English-speaking country you're free to use whatever DMY/MDY you want, note that this sometimes inspires WP:LAME edit wars. Not a GAN note, more a weary warning from experience.)
As you seem to be editing right now, I'll make some notes about "Personal life":
Vaticidal prophet 19:45, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
as of July 2020 she maintained a Telegram channel where she shared details about leaks by othersstands out to me. As I understand from her social media, a lot of that stuff was compromised or taken down at some point. Do we have any up-to-date idea of what happened to the channel? A less-good source is fine -- the "this is important enough to mention in the article" is already covered by the channel itself being covered in RSes. Vaticidal prophet 19:09, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
As of April 3, 2021, a crowdfunding campaign had been created to raise money for her to retain a lawyer in the United States and had raised $4,000 of its $10,000 goal. I can't imagine the campaign has the same number nearly two months on, and as a result I'm unsure we need to give a number for how much it's raised and when -- it gives an updates-up-to-the-minute impression that causes WP:NOTNEWS issues. I think this can be restructed to simply mention a crowdfund was created.
Vaticidalprophet, I'm realizing I should tell you I'll be completely offwiki from the 21st through most of July. I have no desire to rush you or this process – just wanted to let you know. ezlev ( user/ tlk/ ctrbs) 19:46, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
Alright, here we go. (Aside: I've removed the box, because they're annoying to update for something that's changed radically over the course of the GAN.) Prose and sourcing.
I'm still unconvinced that this should be one sentence. "Kottman is nonbinary and uses [pronouns]" (aside: is 'nonbinary' or 'transfeminine' more accurate for the article? both?), and as for her screen names, I'm not actually sure 'personal life' is where they fit most naturally. "Under the pseudonym 'deletescape', she did [thing X]" and "under the pseudonym 'tillie crimew', she did [thing Y]" in relevant sections appears to fit better. Also, though 'deletescape' is a notable pseudonym, I'm not sure there's any coverage regarding 'tillie crimew', and it's close enough to her actual name it may end up just being omitted if you can't find much about it elsewhere.
This looks to be a bit more discussed in the sources -- her slogan translates for me as "Capitalism destroys creativity" (there may be a more accurate translation?), and that seems to be a fun thing to mention. I think it would also work somewhat better from a 'show, don't tell' perspective about her ideologies. It's one thing to say she's an anti-capitalist anarchist, but it comes across better to readers if you instead focus on what she said to Bloomberg, her political memberships, her run for council...On that note, I think there's a bit too much focus on political motive. Her friends talking to Zentralplus seem to treat the hack as at least somewhat apolitical/driven by fun rather than ideology, and it's worth mentioning that.
"As a result" is superfluous. It may also be worth adding from the source that the Gigaleak was never on GitLab at all.
I don't really like this phrasing, and I'm not sure it isn't WP:PLEONASM. ("You mean a major mainstream internet corp isn't cool with data leaks?") At most, I think "suspended for violations of Twitter's terms of service after she used it to..." works better.
This is a quote from the Verge source. It's not -- so far as I can see? -- in the article, and seems worth mentioning that they used public information.
Bit of a run-on, I think. "Such as" flows a bit more naturally than 'included', and you may or may not want a comma after 'merchandise'.
I think this is better worded with the clauses flipped -- "people used the hashtag #freetillie to express support for Kottmann after the raid of her home".
zentralplus have a dewiki article, which should be linked accordingly (also in the refs). As for those refs with no articles on any project, I'm not sure they should be redlinked.
Otherwise, all broadly good. Vaticidal prophet 21:14, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
Being queer and experiencing discrimination contributed to the development of Kottmann's political viewsas the first sentence of the politics paragraph in personal life, when I think it fits better still coming after the label-description of what her politics are, so last sentence now. Vaticidal prophet 22:41, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
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I was browsing the Good Article list and came upon this page. I have absolutely no idea who this person is but the article lacks any criticism whatsoever of what amounts to an indicted criminal, regardless of supposed good intentions. I see now there's several
WP:COI suspicions and off-site coordination and as an uninvolved editor this frankly looks like textbook
WP:ADVOCACY and
astroturfing. The first source I checked is a random self-published blog
[1] that is used several times for sourcing statements... what the hell? The second is "zentralplus", a Swiss or German website that lacks a Wikipedia page and haven't seen anywhere across Wikipedia before. This website is used in almost every other sentence. I see several giveaways the subject is aware of this article and has tried to shape it, providing "statements for Wikipedia" and a selfie to Commons. The lede has a sentence that reads and the Swiss magazine Republik compared her to Jeremy Hammond and Aaron Swartz.
. Google Translate says the sentence reads "Because the young Lucerne woman is in the tradition of hackers like Jeremy Hammond or Aaron Swartz." and that's the amount of the comparison. I made sure to translate to Spanish and Portuguese which I'm versed on too and all three translations suggest the same meaning, the article is just mentioning hackers/hacktivists, it's a big reach to say "compared to".
Further on, the sentence On March 8, 2021, a group of hackers including Kottmann and calling themselves "
APT -
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420 Arson Cats"
linking to the number articles is a laughable
WP:OR, none of the sources make the connection to the name and cannabis culture, and it seems the author wanted to make clear the name of the hacker group and its meaning just because. The sentence During the hack, Kottmann tweeted "What if we just absolutely ended surveillance capitalism in two days?"
is sourced to
Newsweek which is on the
PERENNIAL SOURCES list and is considered generally unreliable. The sentence Hernâni Marques, a board member of the Swiss chapter of Chaos Computer Club, called for "solidarity" with Kottmann.
which is sourced to
20 Minuten a free, train commute local paper. To be honest I can barely see how this article passed the
NOTABILITY criteria. From what I can gather, she's textbook "notable only for a single event" (
WP:SINGLEEVENT), the Verkada hack, which isn't notable to have its own article. In coverage of this incident, there's a lot of quoting to her, or using self-published sources (blogs, tweets, etc.), but are used here as statements of fact.
I can't really tell how all of these went unnoticed by the people that suggested a GA status. For now I'm placing a COI tag. -- Loganmac ( talk) 22:16, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
Prosecutors in Seattle, however, sharply rebuked the view that the hacks had any redeeming quality. “Stealing credentials and data, and publishing source code and proprietary and sensitive information on the web is not protected speech -- it is theft and fraud,” Acting U.S. Attorney Tessa Gorman said in a statement announcing Kottmann’s indictment. “Wrapping oneself in an allegedly altruistic motive does not remove the criminal stench from such intrusion, theft, and fraud.”
“These kinds of individuals have to be held responsible,” said Nawrocki, now managing director of digital investigations and cyber defense at investigations firm Nardello & Co.. “Regardless of ideology, this is not white-hat hacking,” describing those who report computer bugs to companies so they can be fixed. “This is potentially inviting others to conduct hacking operations. To me, that’s criminal activity.”
consensus is to evaluate Newsweek content on a case-by-case basis, so there could definitely be further discussion about whether that particular article is a reliable source.
Per LightNightLights, I'm starting a discussion here to include the Anarchism sidebar in the article. maia is a self-identified anarchist, notes it on her blog/site, retweets tweets identifying her as such, etc. It is explicitly clear that her activism is centered on ideas in-line with anarchism (such that it fits descriptively) and also that it is how she views those actions herself. This is very much in-line with another anarchist hacker, Jeremy Hammond, who (1) has the Anarchism sidebar in their article in the same manner I added it to this one and (2) is even mentioned in the lede of this article as a comparison to maia.
LightNightLights mentioned in their revert of my edit that they view maia as more notable as a hacker than as an anarchist; that is completely irrelevant. People (and topics) contain multitudes and can be notable for multiple labels. This is true across the entire project of Wikipedia, especially when the subject is politically engaged, which is unambiguously the case here. Just has Hammond can be an anarchist hacker and notable as both, so can maia.
The Anarchist sidebar is appropriate here and should be included in the article. Additionally, maia should be added whatever the appropriate anarchist categories are (such as "Swiss anarchists"), just as others are, even when their anarchism is less notable than maia's in their larger identity. Dfsghjkgfhdg ( talk) 16:53, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
So Maia and journalists at Mother Jones are connected in a leak of over 2,600 emails with Anti-Trans orginzations and people. Mother Jones released an article about the secret working group while Maia released the raw files, but stressed that she was not the source of the leak.
Mother Jones: https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/03/anti-trans-transgender-health-care-ban-legislation-bill-minors-children-lgbtq/
Maia: https://maia.crimew.gay/posts/the-emails/
Maia's tweet about the source: https://twitter.com/_nyancrimew/status/1633524123065372672
Should we add a section to this article about this or wait until it cooks a bit? OrlandoApollosFan69 ( talk) 22:04, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
In relation to the series of edits by 216.246.154.38, maia doesn't capitalise her name, and she requests where possible that articles that refer to her do so with the lower case spelling. With regards to MOS:PERSONAL, this is one of the exceptions where the entire name is not capitalised, and is largely reflected by sources that discuss her (eg Daily Dot, Business Insider, Forbes, Them.us, Gizmodo). Sideswipe9th ( talk) 04:09, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi, @ Sideswipe9th! I noticed and disagree with your reversion. I put the applicable quote from the very same MoS section you mentioned in my edit summary in an attempt to demonstrate the justification, but it seems that you may have interpreted it differently. Here is the full applicable MoS quote (annotated, emphasis added): "An exception [to capitalising proper names] is made when the lowercase variant has received regular and established use in reliable independent sources. In these cases, the name is still capitalized when at the beginning of a sentence, per the normal rules of English." This MoS section specifically states that, even in cases when proper names are not capitalised due to regular & established use, they are still capitalised when at the beginning of a sentence. Could you please self-revert? Thanks, Tol ( talk | contribs) @ 16:11, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
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Remove the capital 'M' at the beginning of the article to maintain consistency with the rest of the name. 82.4.118.242 ( talk) 21:16, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
Hey, so crimew does use she/her but it prefers it/it's; should we change this? 2600:1004:B0CC:8558:0:44:ACF3:1E01 ( talk) 00:06, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
TypistMonkey, I hate to revert you so often recently, but this edit is really problematic from a BLP policy point of view. We need to be extremely careful around discussing people's mental health, even when they discuss it themselves. I've reincorporated the raid trauma mention because I think it's a reasonable thing to include, but adding chunks of text to an article graphically describing a raid, and describing their mental health falling apart, cited to a blog (even their blog), isn't appropriate by our very high standards for writing about living people. It's also a WP:DUE issue, because it's not very covered by secondary sources, which are what we need to mostly work from. Vaticidal prophet 22:19, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
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change "rexperience" to "experience" near the end of the first paragraph of the section "Indictment" Y99dr451l ( talk) 12:04, 16 August 2023 (UTC)