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I took the liberty to move this article back to Lipka Tatars. These were and are associated not only with Lithuania, but also with Poland, the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and even Russia. Instead of calling them Polish Tatars or Lithuanian Tatars let's stick to the universal name, shall we? Halibu tt 12:58, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
In the article (2008-03-15) is written: their origins can be traced back to the descendant states of the Mongol Empire of Genghis Khan - the White Horde, the Golden Horde, the Crimean Khanate and Kazan Khanate.
Article readers may be missinformed if Kipchaks / Cumans, Cumania and even Khazaria is not mentioned. -- Тимур ( talk) 08:30, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
An anonymous user keeps removing the information on the Abakanowicz family. The inclusion of these individuals is cited. If there are conflicting sources they need to be cited and discussed here on the talk page. The material should not be removed. Additionally the user keeps removing the photo of the Tatar Uhlans for unknown reasons. As a result I've requested protection for this article. radek ( talk) 06:32, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
And it's pretty obvious, as they all have non-Tatar names and surnames. and after all, they don't look Tatar to me.
Their supposed Tatar roots aren't well known. As opposed to well known Tatar origin of Charles Bronson's father.
I semi-protected the article for a week. Please discuss what you disagree about here. Thanks Renata ( talk) 13:20, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
Some of this is spurious although in other instances inline citations are indeed needed. In reference to the inserted tag, the source quotes a 16th century letter from Khan Mehmed I Giray to Zygmunt Stary in which he writes:
Żądamy od krajów lipkowskiego i polskiego 15.000 florenów polskich. Kraj lipkowski i polski obydwa znaczą dla nas to samo, a ich wrogowie są i naszymi wrogami..
Translation: We demand from the country of Poles and Lipkas 15,000 Polish florens. The country of the Lipkas and that of Poles are the same to us and their enemies our enemies.
So there you go. Also removing some of the more spurious tags. radek ( talk) 20:29, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
It'll but it numbered to be easy to distinguish between answers and allegations. 1. Does the user who on several days did put unreferenced information know when Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was founded.? 2. Was Grand Duchy of Lithuania ruled by the Grand Duke of Lithuania Vytautas the Great at the time when Lipka Tatars/Lithuanian Tatars were invited to Grand Duchy? Thank you for your answers.-- Lokyz ( talk) 20:43, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
Perhaps Lokyz refers to a series of errors in the article - for example, the PLC was reffered to in a period before the Union of Lublin, an obvious error. I've tried to correct such errors in my copyedit. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 19:50, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Lokyz, I really don't understand your thinking here. The sentence "living on the lands of the former..." refers to where the Lipkas live today. And today they live in Belarus, Lithuania, and Poland (btw, my ordering here was simply alphabetical which I though would be uncontroversial) - hence today they live in the lands of the former Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth. Now, when the Lipkas first settled in their original areas, in the 14th century, they settled in the Grand Duchy of Lithuania. But that's a different fact and a different sentence - and that's what the source you added supports, but this is not now nor ever was under dispute. I'm not sure if this isn't just a grammar/English misunderstanding. radek ( talk) 02:19, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
<-- And btw - and this should show that I'm operating in good faith here - I'm the one who actually added the info on the fact that "Lipkas kind of worship Vytautas": At the same time the Tatars held the Lithuanian Grand Duke Vytautas (Wattad, in Tatar or "defender of Muslims in non Muslim lands"), who encouraged and supported their settlement during the 15th century in great esteem, including him in many legends, prayers and their folklore.[3]. Note that I also took care to spell his name Vytautas rather than Witold. radek ( talk) 04:35, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
This article seems to say that most muslim communities do not treat women as liberated because of islam but lipka tatars do because of the influence of Christianity!It is attack on Islam and against neutrality policy of Wikipedia! 114.158.78.167 ( talk)
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Gentlemen, Turkics and Mongols are not the same when you finally understand. Little assimilation Mongols does not mean they're related. Calling Turkics as Mongols in past isn't smart. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.0.248.253 ( talk) 20:12, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
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Should this article be split into the historical Polish-Lithuania Tatars and the contemporary Polish Tatars/Tatars in Poland? Right now the lead is all about history but we have the Lipka_Tatars#Present_status section. This is also related to the recent creation and ongoing renaming discussion of the Tatars in modern Lithuania article (now under the grammatically incorrect name Lithuania Tatars). -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:01, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
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I took the liberty to move this article back to Lipka Tatars. These were and are associated not only with Lithuania, but also with Poland, the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and even Russia. Instead of calling them Polish Tatars or Lithuanian Tatars let's stick to the universal name, shall we? Halibu tt 12:58, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
In the article (2008-03-15) is written: their origins can be traced back to the descendant states of the Mongol Empire of Genghis Khan - the White Horde, the Golden Horde, the Crimean Khanate and Kazan Khanate.
Article readers may be missinformed if Kipchaks / Cumans, Cumania and even Khazaria is not mentioned. -- Тимур ( talk) 08:30, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
An anonymous user keeps removing the information on the Abakanowicz family. The inclusion of these individuals is cited. If there are conflicting sources they need to be cited and discussed here on the talk page. The material should not be removed. Additionally the user keeps removing the photo of the Tatar Uhlans for unknown reasons. As a result I've requested protection for this article. radek ( talk) 06:32, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
And it's pretty obvious, as they all have non-Tatar names and surnames. and after all, they don't look Tatar to me.
Their supposed Tatar roots aren't well known. As opposed to well known Tatar origin of Charles Bronson's father.
I semi-protected the article for a week. Please discuss what you disagree about here. Thanks Renata ( talk) 13:20, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
Some of this is spurious although in other instances inline citations are indeed needed. In reference to the inserted tag, the source quotes a 16th century letter from Khan Mehmed I Giray to Zygmunt Stary in which he writes:
Żądamy od krajów lipkowskiego i polskiego 15.000 florenów polskich. Kraj lipkowski i polski obydwa znaczą dla nas to samo, a ich wrogowie są i naszymi wrogami..
Translation: We demand from the country of Poles and Lipkas 15,000 Polish florens. The country of the Lipkas and that of Poles are the same to us and their enemies our enemies.
So there you go. Also removing some of the more spurious tags. radek ( talk) 20:29, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
It'll but it numbered to be easy to distinguish between answers and allegations. 1. Does the user who on several days did put unreferenced information know when Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was founded.? 2. Was Grand Duchy of Lithuania ruled by the Grand Duke of Lithuania Vytautas the Great at the time when Lipka Tatars/Lithuanian Tatars were invited to Grand Duchy? Thank you for your answers.-- Lokyz ( talk) 20:43, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
Perhaps Lokyz refers to a series of errors in the article - for example, the PLC was reffered to in a period before the Union of Lublin, an obvious error. I've tried to correct such errors in my copyedit. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 19:50, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Lokyz, I really don't understand your thinking here. The sentence "living on the lands of the former..." refers to where the Lipkas live today. And today they live in Belarus, Lithuania, and Poland (btw, my ordering here was simply alphabetical which I though would be uncontroversial) - hence today they live in the lands of the former Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth. Now, when the Lipkas first settled in their original areas, in the 14th century, they settled in the Grand Duchy of Lithuania. But that's a different fact and a different sentence - and that's what the source you added supports, but this is not now nor ever was under dispute. I'm not sure if this isn't just a grammar/English misunderstanding. radek ( talk) 02:19, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
<-- And btw - and this should show that I'm operating in good faith here - I'm the one who actually added the info on the fact that "Lipkas kind of worship Vytautas": At the same time the Tatars held the Lithuanian Grand Duke Vytautas (Wattad, in Tatar or "defender of Muslims in non Muslim lands"), who encouraged and supported their settlement during the 15th century in great esteem, including him in many legends, prayers and their folklore.[3]. Note that I also took care to spell his name Vytautas rather than Witold. radek ( talk) 04:35, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
This article seems to say that most muslim communities do not treat women as liberated because of islam but lipka tatars do because of the influence of Christianity!It is attack on Islam and against neutrality policy of Wikipedia! 114.158.78.167 ( talk)
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Gentlemen, Turkics and Mongols are not the same when you finally understand. Little assimilation Mongols does not mean they're related. Calling Turkics as Mongols in past isn't smart. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.0.248.253 ( talk) 20:12, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
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Should this article be split into the historical Polish-Lithuania Tatars and the contemporary Polish Tatars/Tatars in Poland? Right now the lead is all about history but we have the Lipka_Tatars#Present_status section. This is also related to the recent creation and ongoing renaming discussion of the Tatars in modern Lithuania article (now under the grammatically incorrect name Lithuania Tatars). -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:01, 12 January 2021 (UTC)