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Thanks for your efforts Fowler&fowler and RegentsPark! Airbornemihir ( talk) 21:25, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
How can I fix the difference colours seen in the pictures. Is it my browser settings? I see some boxes as yellow some blue and some white. Is there some sort of meaning behind different colours?. 104.249.231.45 ( talk) 14:14, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
Dear IP, and others, please note that the topic is being discussed in a section above. Please continue the discussion there. No consensus has emerged, as far as I can tell. Forum shopping, whether within a talk page or elsewhere, is not helpful in a full discussion of the topic, only in several fragmented ones. Note also: all pictures other than two panaramas are now in WP default size of 220 px. Best regards, Fowler&fowler «Talk» 13:33, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
You cannot at the same time complain that the Surveying equipment image box is too wide (300px) and the individual images are too small (bottom row, right, is 100px). You cannot, on the one hand, complain that a a shade of white used in the background color of the tea garden image (on the left, and used in India) is unacceptable, but say nothing about the much darker pixie green of the picture on the left. This is not the place to for thrashing out WP Policy. Very best regards, Fowler&fowler «Talk» 16:42, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
I'm going away on vacation, so I won't be around for the proposed RfC. I'd like to record my gratitude to Moxy who over a month ago first informed me about Wikipedia image accessibility guidelines (to which I later discovered Wikipedia and MOS themselves pay short shrift) The accessibility page referenced the four color-blindness filters. These, in turn, led me to the pictures with background colors in their captions. (Before that I was unaware that there was an option to choose a background color. For the same reason, I had never used a background color in the hundreds of figures and images I have added to Wikipedia.) For each figure caption, the color I have chosen on the India page is the shade of white closest in RGB space to the average color presentation either of the entire image, or of the main feature in the image; the font size 110% of normal These values present the least issues in color blindness, especially for achromatopsia. You may compare the two versions: India: with no background color in figure captions and India: current version with background color in figure captions at the four color-blindness filters site using the fourth (Grey-level) filter. It will become painfully obvious that for achromatopsia the color caption backgrounds are much better than the white, especially for blue links. (For the other forms of color blindness, the two versions are the same.) And it has nothing to do with font size. You may reduce the font size to 100% and the results will be the same. Furthermore, the white captions (psycho-physically) distort the image perception by bleaching the pictures, as you will notice in the mist in the background in two versions of the Axix axis picture presented here. The distortion in perception is slight, but it is present nonetheless. The shade of white chosen in the top image, however, which is nearer in RGB space than is white to the average color presentation of the image, does not single out any one color for enhanced perception and distorts the image less. Clearly, also, as is apparent from the pixie green image "Adoxa" (see farther above on the left), background colors, more intense ones, are allowed by MOS. As for why the India article might be moving away from the Wikipedia norm, I can only repeat what user:Nichalp, the main author of the first version of this article, and the nominator at its first and only FA run in 2004, use to say: the India page has never quite toed the line, whether it is with the image rotation, the much greater emphasis on history, geography, biodiversity, and culture than on defense, government and politics, the general insistence on using featured pictures, or the general insistence on discussions before edits (witness is huge talk archive). Anyway, that is more or less what I have to say. I welcome, of course, the three new editors (Dream Linker, The Huhsz, and Begoon) as they make their first edits on this page. I also thank Begoon for his contributions to professional graphic designing and printing. I moreover empathize with Dream Linker's headache acquired in the course of viewing the colored backgrounds. I hope he has recovered. Best regards and good luck to all. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 10:40, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
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It is mentioned in the second paragraph that "Early political consolidations gave rise to the loose-knit Maurya and Gupta Empires based in the Ganges Basin.[27] Their collective era was suffused with wide-ranging creativity,[28] but also marked by the declining status of women,[29]". I think its baised assessment not appropriate because satus of women is lower to men in majority parts of the world until 20th century, women got voting rights in US and UK only in1920s. But it is not mentioned in their Wikipedia pages that until 1920s those countries have lower status for their women than men. It was in the very human evolution that women were declined equal status with men.
And can it be proved that before Mauryan and Gupta period the women had a better satus than in the Mauryan and Gupta period? The proof for that same should be added as a reference, if not the statement be removed for the better. BodduLokesh ( talk) 19:56, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
And when it is not mentioned in Wikipedia pages of any other country, selectively mentioning in the India wikipedia page and that too mentioned that in a peirod 2500 years ago seems abaurd. And reference required that women enjoyed superior/equal status to men before Mauryan and Gupta period, if not the statement be removed. Showing proof that low status of women existed in Gupta and Mauryan era says only that it existed in their era, it doesn't say whether it existed before them or not. So, proof is required that women are not treated lower to men before Mauryan and Gupta era, if not general assumption can be made there existed same situation for women even before Mauryan and Gupta period if this assumption/argument is not negated with proof. BodduLokesh ( talk) 20:05, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
I'm on vacation. Responding because I received an email. I won't be here to respond to more irrelevant points. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 05:27, 16 October 2019 (UTC)Political consolidations gave rise to the loose-knit Maurya and Gupta empires, [1] [2] [3] [4] their collective time span suffused with wide-ranging creativity, [5] [6] but also with the declining status of women, ..." [7] [8] [9]
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link) Quote: "The story of the growth of arithmetic from the ancient inheritance to the wealth passed on to the Renaissance is dramatic and passes through several cultures. The most groundbreaking achievement was the evolution of a positional number system, in which the position of a digit within a number determines its value according to powers (usually) of ten (e.g., in 3,285, the "2" refers to hundreds). Its extension to include decimal fractions and the procedures that were made possible by its adoption transformed the abilities of all who calculated, with an effect comparable to the modern invention of the electronic computer. Roughly speaking, this began in India, was transmitted to Islam, and then to the Latin West."
"Area controlled by India shown in dark green; regions claimed but not controlled shown in light green" you have written this... But now light green area is also controlled by Indian Government by revoking article 370 from Jammu and Kashmir... Please colour all area in dark green. Imvivekchaudhary007 ( talk) 01:08, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
A sentence in the lead paragraph currently reads It is the
seventh-largest country by area, the
second-most populous country, and the most populous
democracy in the world.
I propose that it be changed to It is the
second-most populous country, the most populous
democracy, and the
seventh-largest country by area.
This reordering helps to emphasize the traits that make India unique by listing them first. (In very basic terms, when one thinks of India, "lots of people" comes to mind before "lots of land.") I understand that listing area first has been a long-standing norm, but I think we ought to adapt to the noteworthy elements by country — readers won't take up pitchforks if we list population first here but area first for
Russia. Thoughts, everyone?
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FWIIW, I prefer the current order. Other than the logical sequencing, the most important thing is what we end with, not what we begin with. -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 18:45, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
It is the seventh-largest country by area, the second-most populous country, and the most populous democracy in the world. If I remember correctly from my history textbooks, I have always seen the area mentioned first and then the population/largest democracy. I did a search for Google books just now ("india the seventh largest country" without quotes) and checked the first new pages. A significant majority of the results state the area first and then the population.-- DreamLinker ( talk) 14:43, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
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remove that modern humans settled in India from Africa 55000 years ago. The OOAT is not proven and is still a theory. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.98.102.219 ( talk) 16:52, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
Which of the following sentences should be used as the second sentence of this article?
It is the seventh-largest country by area, the second-most populous country, and the most populous democracy in the world.
It is the second-most populous country, the most populous democracy, and the seventh-largest country by area.
It is the second-most populous country, the seventh-largest by area, and the most populous democracy in the world.
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In the right box, change "Official Languages TO Union Languages". And, change "Recognised regional languages TO Official Languages". Hindi and English are not the only official languages, it is only used in the Union and it does not mean they are the only Official languages. When we search in google, it lists wikipedia content as the top search and says there are only two official languages in India - which is entirely misleading. Aru8 ( talk) 18:13, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
Please refer this link stating that Hindi and English are only used in the union. https://knowindia.gov.in/profile/the-union/official-language.php You can refer the below link for the list of languages recognized as Official langugages. https://mhrd.gov.in/sites/upload_files/mhrd/files/upload_document/languagebr.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aru8 ( talk • contribs) 07:14, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
The Indo-European languages are a language family of several hundred related languages and dialects. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.163.79.233 ( talk) 06:48, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
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India is one of the first Civilizations which emerged in the planet, it is contemporary to China and fertile crescent, called as Indus Valley today, Modern Indians share same genetic history to them Indus valley from basis of Modern Indian DNA., and Indus people form basis of Modern Indian DNA, Indus Culture brought earliest form of Hindu or Sanatana Dharma, Sari and other ancient clothing, Cotton farming, Yoga, Terracotta. I know that Indus Script is yet to be deciphered but it has proven connection to Dravidians/South India. Sagnique ( talk) 02:35, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
As mentioned in the Performing arts and media section, the bhaona of Assam is often "based on Hindu mythology, but also borrowing from medieval romances or social and political events". "It is a traditional form of entertainment, with religious messages, prevalent is Assam, India. It is a creation of Mahapurusha Srimanta Sankardeva, written in the early sixteenth century. He created the form to convey religious messages to villagers through entertainment. Later Srimanta Madhavdevaalso wrote some plays. The plays of bhaona are popularly known as Ankiya Nats and their staging is known as bhaona. Bhaona is generally staged at xatras and namghars in Assam. There are some special characteristics of Bhaona like the plays, dialogues, costumes, ornaments, entry and foot-steps of the characters. These characteristics helps to differentiate Bhaona from other plays." Therefore it should be included in the mentioned section. Abhroneel 09:21, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
@ Smjg: It goes back more than two centuries:
Oxford English Dictionary: (OED) Comprise 8b To constitute, make up, compose.
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c. passive. To be composed of, to consist of.
Webster's Unabridged:
Comprise (v): 5a : to consist of : be made up of <the fortress comprises many miles of entrenchment and well-hidden artillery positions> <the thirty-five essays it comprises … are mostly reprinted from previous collections — Harry Levin> b : to make up : constitute <the receipts … comprised the fifth-largest gate in boxing history — John Lardner>
May I respectfully suggest that you not change that sentence until you have gained consensus for it on this talk page. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 18:28, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
Those two require subscriptions. But here is one available freely online:
Longman Dictionary of Contemporary English
2 [transitive] to form part of a larger group of people or things SYN constitute, make up Women comprise a high proportion of part-time workers. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 18:49, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
Here's another: Collins/COBUILD Advanced English Dictionary:
2. verb The things or people that comprise something are the parts or members that form it.
Examples: The proposals exclude three of the four nations comprising the UK.. [VERB noun] Women comprise 44% of hospital medical staff. [VERB noun]
Synonyms: make up, form, constitute, compose Fowler&fowler «Talk» 18:56, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
@ Smjg: Who's residence? Not this article's.
Here is a history lesson. You will agree that "comprise" in the sense of "constitute" (hereafter CITSOC), or "make up," or "form" is documented in dictionaries. The evidence is overwhelming that CITSOC was used without dispute or controversy during the 18th and 19th centuries.
Unfortunately, early in the 20th, at the conclusion of the war to end all wars (hereasfter WTEAW), half my namesake, mourning the loss of the other half of my namesake from consumption contracted in the selfsame WTEAW, which in any case had not lived up to its name, forgot the dicta of their pre-WTEAW effort, viz.:
Prefer the familiar word to the far-fetched.
Prefer the concrete word to the abstract.
Prefer the single word to the circumlocution.
Prefer the short word to the long.
Prefer the Saxon word to the Romance. (hereafter PPPPP)
and began to wage a WTEAW of words (hereafter WTEAWOW) against CITSOC in his eponymous style guide. For half a century, thereafter, others such as the plain-speaking Ernest Gowers, also waged WTEAWOW against CITSOC. However, with the onset of detente, rapprochement, and the Fall of the Berlin Wall, WTEAWOW against CITSOC became a spent force. The pent-up yearnings of the people to employ CITSOC in the speech and writing were released and the evidence is again overwhelming for CITSOC. So where are we now? We could write, "India makes up the bulk of the Indian subcontinent." This would be in line with PPPPP. But that would sound too ordinary, befitting more the Simple Wikipedia. But, of the two sleeping dogs, comprise and constitute, one has precedence in the article, by many years, which is a strong case for letting them lie. I'm now returning to my vacation, as I've already stated twice upstairs. Best regards, Fowler&fowler «Talk» 05:18, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
India is not a fully federal nation.Its a quasi-federal strcucture.USA is a federal nation however India is holding together nation witha strong union so its quasi federal state Srijanx22 ( talk) 21:59, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
How does one make the colossal pictures smaller on this article so sentences are not fragmented? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.249.229.215 ( talk) 06:40, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
Hi, can someone please change the font in which the national anthem (Jana Gana Mana) is typed? It seems out of place in all the text here... RedBulbBlueBlood9911 ( talk) 13:31, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
Can we please add some sections or allow adding them with following subsections
* e.g. first true university was established which accommodated pupils from across the Asian and other regions * First formal treatise in grammatical linguistics was written in Sanskrit which paved the way for major academic work in other world languages
* positional value system was conceived and operational in India which lead to use of 0 (decimal zero) * close to accurate earlieestf approximations of Earth's circumference and astronomical observations with regards to planetary system with Sun being at the center and other planets revolving around. * Earliest conceptualization of quadratic inequalities and roots using Dharacharya method * Faster approaches for complex calculations with lesser steps required than present in modern day mathematics.
Despite western beliefs and history written by contemporary western historians, large part of India was always free and was flourishing in terms of cultural advancement and scientific way of thinking. The British and other colonial powers had influence only in smaller coastal areas where they had managed to be in peaceful nexus with local landlords or rulers. Indian subcontinent in its entirety was never part of any empire. By the end of circa 1000 AD, Indian western frontiers were the only regions in Asia which had successfully reciprocated Islam's spread for many centuries in India.
Also despite popular belief and literature about the effects of non-violent methods, its was the successful armed resistance which effectively routed the British out of India in 1st half of 20th century. The leading figures behind the armed but still patriotic resistance were Subhash Chandra Bose, Bhagat Singh, Chadra Shekhar Azad, Ashfaq Ullah Khan and many other freedom fighters whose efforts paved the way for formal declaration of Indian control over coastal regions which were arguably under any colonial influence.
Can we also add some better images under culture and costume as the one currently there don't reflect the modern way of living in India. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sin nitins ( talk • contribs) 00:33, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
Right hand site driving happens in India now.... So change driving site in this article pls... KR studios ( talk) 03:26, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
can somenody change the nominal gdp per capita on the page? It's meant to be $2301. Thanks Kamthi732 ( talk) 09:45, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
This article should use the syntax described at MOS:IMAGESYNTAX instead. Hddty ( talk) 12:49, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
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Hi, somewhere in the article, the word 'defense' is mis-spelt as defence. Could you guys please fix that ? Thanks! 74.118.5.254 ( talk) 19:34, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
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Please add the line "India emerged as one of the first civilizations in the Indus river valley" in the beginning of second paragraph. [1] India is one of the first Civilizations which emerged in the planet, it is contemporary to China and fertile crescent, called as Indus Valley today, Modern Indians share same genetic history https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/09/genome-nearly-5000-year-old-woman-links-modern-indians-ancient-civilization and Indus people form basis of Modern Indian DNA, Indus Culture brought earliest form of Hindu or Sanatana Dharma, Sari and other ancient clothing, Cotton farming, Yoga, Terracotta, etc. I know that Indus Script is yet to be deciphered but it has proven connection to Dravidian's/South India. Sagnique ( talk) 17:05, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
"Pakistan has nothing to do with Indian history" is a very odd and inaccurate combination of words. Irtapil ( talk) 23:43, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
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That's absolutely crazy! India has started investing in both and it's time that the world's third-largest country (PPP GDP) gets that section. Healthcare, space exploration, nuclear and solar power can be included in the section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NervousRing ( talk • contribs) 14:36, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
Please, that Indians are also called Bharatis and Hindustanis. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ParadiseKingPMSAW ( talk • contribs) 09:09, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
Why is the country name not in Hindi in Devanagari script? Most other country pages have the name in the local script, so I was about to add it, then I realised that for such a big country if it's not there it's likely a deliberate omission? What's going on? There was a note in the info box "Do NOT remove this from the infobox as infobox translations and transliterations do not fall under WP:Manual of Style/India-related articles#Indic scripts in leads and infoboxes", but it was a bit unclear whether that was the reason it was only in Latin script, and i'm sure i've seen Indic script in info boxes on other pages. Can i add it to the body text but not the info box? Can we discuss whether we should include it, and if so where? I know some users may get blank boxes if their device doesn't interpret the characters properly, but currently nobody can see it. Irtapil ( talk) 04:03, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
For fairness / balance should the local name be in other major local scripts as well (Malayam, Gugerati, etc.)? which should be included, and are the Wikipedias in these languages an appropriate source for the names? Irtapil ( talk) 04:03, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
The article behins with "India (Hindi: Bhārat), ...". Please correct (Hindi: Bhārat) to (Hindi: भारत) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:647:4001:6A70:493F:5FD6:8BD6:5F8D ( talk) 04:36, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
Is there a good reason the name of India is not included in local script(s) such as Devanagari? details: - If it's because some readers might get empty boxes or "�" instead of the correct characters, surely it's better for some readers to see it than none? - If Indic script is incompatible with country boxes, can it at least go in the body text, please. (Though the box for Bangladesh has Bengali with no apparent glitch.) - If it is to avoid giving preferential treatment to Hindi/Devanagari we included a few others as well? - If there are far too many, could it be a separate table? - Alternatively, Hindi and English being the official National Languages seems to be justification to include just Devanagari and English, it's still better than just English. And lot of different Indian languages are written in Devanagari script currently as the main formal script (even if another script was used previously) e.g. Marathi, Maithili_language, Nepali language, Konkani language, Bodo language, or use Devanagari as an alternate script, e.g. Punjabi language, Gujarati language, Santali language, Kashmiri language, Sindhi language, Dogri language, and Urdu (Devanagari Urdu has some slightly different vocabulary to Hindi). Irtapil ( talk) 04:50, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
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I removed the template and I combined the edit request with the above section, does that fix the problem? Irtapil ( talk) 23:45, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
I already looked to see if it had previously been discussed, i couldn't find anything on this talk page that showed a prior consensus. I admit i haven't read every last word, but the only thing i can find is me and one anonymous user today suggesting that transliterations alone are insufficient. If it has been discussed already please specify which sub-section includes a consensus being reached on this issue? This is the only page i can find on en.wikipedia.org which omits relevant use of south Asian scripts. Irtapil ( talk) 23:50, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
Proposed simple solution, the list exists as a separate page, so in or after the first sentence someone add Names of India in its official languages, please. Irtapil ( talk) 04:08, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
I agree with @ User:Irtapil and Devagari should be used in every Indian political and informative page. Simply creating separate pages created completely in other Indian languages just won't work. Sagnique ( talk) 12:21, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
State given on the page is incomplete missing or incorrect. There are 28 states in India, which is stated correct, however while creating the chart there's 1 state is missing even the serial number as well. Under Administrative divisions point of the article the chart does not has Madhya Pradesh Mentioned on it, which should be on number 13. Kindly Include Madhya Pradesh as in the state on number 13, and also input number 13 in the serial number -- Shubham R. B. Tripathi ( talk) 12:45, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
Most major country Wikipedia pages have "Education" sections. Education is extremely important issue, especially in a large developing country like India. The following is my proposed content for a new "Education" section on this article with a link to Education in India as the main article:
-- Doc2129 ( talk) 04:39, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
Education in India is provided by
public schools (controlled and funded by three levels:
central,
state and
local) and
private schools. Under various articles of the
Indian Constitution, free and compulsory education is provided as a fundamental right to children between the ages of 6 and 14. At the primary and
secondary level, India has a large
private school system complementing the government run schools, with 29% of students receiving private education in the 6 to 14 age group.
[1] Secondary education covers children aged 14 to 18. Secondary education in India is examination-oriented and not course-based: students register for and take classes primarily to prepare for one of the centrally-administered examinations. After Secondary education students may opt for vocational education or university education. India's All India Council of Technical Education (AICTE) reported, in 2013, that there are more than 4,599 vocational institutions that offer degrees, diploma and post-diploma in architecture, engineering, hotel management, infrastructure, pharmacy, technology, town services and others.
[2] In January 2019, India had over 900 universities and 40,000 colleges.
[3] Three Indian universities were listed in the
Times Higher Education list of the world's top 200 universities —
Indian Institutes of Technology,
Indian Institutes of Management, and
Jawaharlal Nehru University in 2005 and 2006. In April 2015,
IIT Bombay launched the first U.S.-India joint EMBA program alongside
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Education in India is provided by public schools (controlled and funded by three levels: central, state and local) and private schools. Under various articles of the Indian Constitution, free and compulsory education is provided as a fundamental right to children between the ages of 6 and 14. As per the Annual Status of Education Report (ASER) 2012, 96.5% of all rural children between the ages of 6-14 were enrolled in school. This is the fourth annual survey to report enrolment above 96%. [1] However, numerous issues pervade contemporary education in India including inefficient teaching methods, grade inflation, an urban/rural gap, low completion levels, massive graduate unemployment, corruption, saffronisation, a gender gap, and the tremendous influence of a small number of elite secondary schools. [2] [3] [4] [5] Modern education in India is often criticised for being based on rote learning rather than problem solving. [6] Education in rural India is valued differently from in an urban setting, with lower rates of completion. [7] An imbalanced sex ratio exists within schools with 18% of males earning a high school diploma compared with only 10% of females. [8] The estimated number of children who have never attended school in India is near 100 million which reflects the low completion levels. [9] This is the largest concentration in the world of youth who haven't enrolled in school. [10]
At the primary and secondary level, India has a large private school system complementing the government run schools, with 29% of students receiving private education in the 6 to 14 age group. [11] [12] [13] Although there are private schools in India, they are highly regulated in terms of what they can teach, in what form they can operate (must be a non-profit to run any accredited educational institution) and all other aspects of operation. Hence, the differentiation of government schools and private schools can be misleading. [14] Secondary education covers children aged 14 to 18. Secondary education in India is examination-oriented and not course-based: students register for and take classes primarily to prepare for one of the centrally-administered examinations. After Secondary education students may opt for vocational education or university education. An analysis by the Center for Monitoring Indian Economy (CMIE) reported that between September and December of 2018 reached 13.2% (with a 35% rate for women) compared to an overall average unemployment rate of 6.7%. [15] The 2011 Census survey holds the National Literacy Rate to be 74.04%. [16] The youth literacy rate, measured within the age group of 15 to 24, is 81.1% (84.4% among males and 74.4% among females), [17] while 86% of boys and 72% of girls are literate in the 10-19 age group. [18] India's traditional emphasis on higher education during the later half of the 20th century, as opposed to a focus on primary education as in Sri Lanka or South Korea, has been a major factor in India's long lasting illiteracy, with wider societal consequences. [19] [20] Corruption in the Indian education system has been eroding the quality of education and has been creating long-term negative consequences for the society. Educational corruption in India is considered as one of the major contributors to domestic black money. [21]
India's higher education system is the third largest in the world, after China and the United States. [22] India's All India Council of Technical Education (AICTE) reported, in 2013, that there are more than 4,599 vocational institutions that offer degrees, diploma and post-diploma in architecture, engineering, hotel management, infrastructure, pharmacy, technology, town services and others. [23] In January 2019, India had over 900 universities and 40,000 colleges. [24] Three Indian universities were listed in the Times Higher Education list of the world's top 200 universities — Indian Institutes of Technology, Indian Institutes of Management, and Jawaharlal Nehru University in 2005 and 2006. In April 2015, IIT Bombay launched the first U.S.-India joint EMBA program alongside Washington University in St. Louis. [25]
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Is there a reason why the pictures are so big and have different colors?-- 2605:8D80:564:D499:C6A:C3B6:F618:F371 ( talk) 08:10, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
Education in India is provided by public schools (controlled and funded by three levels: central, state and local) and private schools. Under various articles of the Indian Constitution, free and compulsory education is provided as a fundamental right to children between the ages of 6 and 14. As per the Annual Status of Education Report (ASER) 2012, 96.5% of all rural children between the ages of 6-14 were enrolled in school. This is the fourth annual survey to report enrolment above 96%. [1] At the primary and secondary level, India has a large private school system complementing the government run schools, with 29% of students receiving private education in the 6 to 14 age group. [2] Although there are private schools in India, they are highly regulated in terms of what they can teach, in what form they can operate (must be a non-profit to run any accredited educational institution) and all other aspects of operation. Hence, the differentiation of government schools and private schools can be misleading. [3] Secondary education covers children aged 14 to 18. Secondary education in India is examination-oriented and not course-based: students register for and take classes primarily to prepare for one of the centrally-administered examinations. After Secondary education students may opt for vocational education or university education. India's higher education system is the third largest in the world, after China and the United States. [4] India's All India Council of Technical Education (AICTE) reported, in 2013, that there are more than 4,599 vocational institutions that offer degrees, diploma and post-diploma in architecture, engineering, hotel management, infrastructure, pharmacy, technology, town services and others. [5] In January 2019, India had over 900 universities and 40,000 colleges. [6] Three Indian universities were listed in the Times Higher Education list of the world's top 200 universities — Indian Institutes of Technology, Indian Institutes of Management, and Jawaharlal Nehru University in 2005 and 2006. In April 2015, IIT Bombay launched the first U.S.-India joint EMBA program alongside Washington University in St. Louis. [7]
Numerous issues pervade contemporary education in India including inefficient teaching methods, grade inflation, an urban/rural gap, low completion levels, massive graduate unemployment, corruption, a gender gap, and the tremendous influence of a small number of elite secondary schools. Modern education in India is often criticised for being based on rote learning rather than problem solving. [8] Education in rural India is valued differently from in an urban setting, with lower rates of completion. An imbalanced sex ratio exists within schools with 18% of males earning a high school diploma compared with only 10% of females. The estimated number of children who have never attended school in India is near 100 million which reflects the low completion levels. [9] This is the largest concentration in the world of youth who haven't enrolled in school. [10] An analysis by the Center for Monitoring Indian Economy (CMIE) reported that between September and December of 2018 reached 13.2% (with a 35% rate for women) compared to an overall average unemployment rate of 6.7%. [11] The 2011 Census survey holds the National Literacy Rate to be 74.04%. [12] The youth literacy rate, measured within the age group of 15 to 24, is 81.1% (84.4% among males and 74.4% among females), [13] while 86% of boys and 72% of girls are literate in the 10-19 age group. [14] Corruption in Indian education system has been eroding the quality of education and has been creating long-term negative consequences for the society. Educational corruption in India is considered as one of the major contributors to domestic black money. [15]
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Thank you Johnbod for the recommendations and Fowler&fowler for your reshuffle edit, it flows much better now. I will post the edited version below. Please let me know if you think there should be any last edits before posting it. Also, do you consider it is best if it is posted as a subtopic under "Culture"? -- Doc2129 ( talk) 06:59, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
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Jaura is not a town of India, it is from brazil. Require to update this to make it correct. Himanshu0920 ( talk) 21:13, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
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India is the 5th largest economy in the world by nominal GDP and 3rd largest by purchasing power parity (PPP). Also at 131, India is home to the most number of billionaires after US and China. Tyrion Lannister Maniac ( talk) 08:06, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
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India is a regional power and is also considered a great power and potential superpower. Tyrion Lannister Maniac ( talk) 08:08, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
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India has many official languages an not just 2 as stated here. I believe it has 22 offical langugates as per scheule 8 of the constituion Jsugumar ( talk) 01:43, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
Strangely, in the current version of the article [1] photographs of a modern India seem to be almost entirely lacking. Looking at the whole article, the most recent piece of technology appearing in photographs is an American tractor from the 50s . In the "Economy" paragraph, it's all about milking cows , and women in fields . In the "Industry" paragraph, otherwise mentioning Indian industrial prowesses in telecommunication technology or pharmaceuticals, the illustration is... a traditional tea field in Sikkim . The "Society" paragraph is illustrated by a Muslim in prayer in an old mosque in Srinagar ... is this really emblematic of today's Indian society? In the "Geography" article, the image of clustered rundown fishing boats could be advantageouly replaced by some nice landscape . Also, several of the current photographs are of a rather poor quality, and I am not sure they belong to a featured article, especially those related to clothing. Surely, we can do better than that. The general impression of this article in its current version is that of India as a backward nation, stuck in the past. What a difference with the China article for example!
So, I suggest we should do justice to some of the more modern aspects of India, by also illustrating some of its more recent achievements. For example:
I also suggest that we remove the cream-colored backgrounds of the photographs, as they give to the article an unnecessary decorative, stuffy, antiquated look, almost never seen elsewhere on Wikipedia.
I am not saying that everything in India is modern and beautiful, far from it, but at least we could be more objective and balanced in showing the various aspects of the country: modernity constrasting with backwardness, glamour contrasting with poverty, with a general trend towards improvement and modernization as the economy progresses year after year. पाटलिपुत्र Pat (talk) 07:42, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
This message is to Fowler&fowler. I am sorry but I have to disagree with your justifications. I would like to point some of the inaccuracies:
1) India's Agriculture Sector: I agree that the agriculture sector contributes the most in terms of employment in India. However, as you point out that 44% of the overall workforce and 57% of them female are in agricultural sector, " a shining new tractor" does not do justice to India's modern agriculture. Perhaps, the following source and image can be used as a more appropriate representation of Modern India Agriculture / Farming Sector. [1]
1.1) Hydroponic Farming image: [2]
2) India's Dairy Industry: As you rightly said, India is the largest producer in milk and almost half of it's output comes in "smallholder farms". Nonetheless, the following source and image displays how homegrown, modern and creative breakthroughs helped these "smallholder farms" to evolve rapidly and made the dairy industry to become more efficient and productive is more appropriate and contemporary. [3]
2.1) New Age Technologies: [4]
3) India's Jammu & Kashmir Demographics: The 95% Muslim majority population you are referring to and it's source is only about 'Kashmir Valley', not the whole Jammu & Kashmir territory. While Kashmir valley constitutes to 95% Muslims and 4% Hindus, Jammu valley constitutes to 66% Hindus and 30% Muslims.
3.1) Kashmir [5] 3.2) Jammu & Kashmir (State) [6] 3.3) Jammu & Kashmir (Union Territory) [7]
So, if you really considered about the "representative of regional society", the following images should also be posted along with other religious architecture.
Photo 1: Hindu Temple ruins in Kashmir region: [8]
Photo 2: Hindu Temple ruins in Kashmir region: [9]
Photo 3: Hindu Temple ruins in Kashmir region: [10]
Moreover, this page is about India and when you consider the "representative of regional society" more accurately, with 79.80% of Hindus, I would think an Hindu temple should also be depicted/represented along with other religion's photos in "Demographics, language and religion" category.
I sincerely wish you or any other moderator here will earnestly consider my points without any colonial bias/favoritism. Vishme21 ( talk) 23:47, 18 March 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vishme21 ( talk • contribs) 23:37, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
Perhaps the following images (which are labelled for noncommercial reuse) of Ranganathaswamy Temple [11], which is the largest functioning Hindu Temple in the world would be appropriate in my opinion:
Image 1: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sri_Ranganathaswamy_Temple_Vaishnavism_India.jpg
Image 2: https://live.staticflickr.com/3274/3033520679_879b8439b4_b.jpg Vishme21 ( talk) 03:58, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
@ RegentsPark: This is a complicated situation. As you know we use to have rotating images. It was a lot easier to accommodate different likes and dislikes then. Now we have less room. At the time of the TFA I had gone back to Nichalp's old standard of using Featured Pictures (as much as is possible). I can't seem to find any FPs of temples with crowds. Assuming, though, that you would like to give a reader a sense of the activity, the ritual, the ceremony, associated with Hindu worship, the picture of a temple might not be the best thing. It might be better to have a picture we use to have, but one we took out. I have attached it here. In the other pictures Sikh, Jain, Christian, Muslim, or Buddhist, we have in the article, some aspect of worship is conveyed. This being India, and Hinduism being the majority religion, something more in-depth would be appropriate, such as the picture I have attached here. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 23:46, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
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India has 22 officialy spoken lamguages. In a state called Tamilnadu there is a very negligible population knowing Hindi. Only 0.6% of the people in Kerala are native speakers of Hindi, the least in India, and Tamil Nadu has the smallest percentage !-- Write your request ABOVE this line and do not remove the tildes and curly brackets below. --> Arunrajahkl ( talk) 12:11, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
Is there a way to view the pictures in a normal way. Not sure why the article is showing up so weird compared to other India articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:8D80:566:BBBE:41A3:DF73:AB7A:50FD ( talk) 21:31, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
India has 28 states and 9 union territory as jammu and kashmir is no longer states it divided into two union territory after the revoke of 370. Please correct the data Gauravtheeditor ( talk) 17:53, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
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Hindi is not the official language of India but its the most commonly used language 02nipun94 ( talk) 22:55, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
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Thanks for your efforts Fowler&fowler and RegentsPark! Airbornemihir ( talk) 21:25, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
How can I fix the difference colours seen in the pictures. Is it my browser settings? I see some boxes as yellow some blue and some white. Is there some sort of meaning behind different colours?. 104.249.231.45 ( talk) 14:14, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
Dear IP, and others, please note that the topic is being discussed in a section above. Please continue the discussion there. No consensus has emerged, as far as I can tell. Forum shopping, whether within a talk page or elsewhere, is not helpful in a full discussion of the topic, only in several fragmented ones. Note also: all pictures other than two panaramas are now in WP default size of 220 px. Best regards, Fowler&fowler «Talk» 13:33, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
You cannot at the same time complain that the Surveying equipment image box is too wide (300px) and the individual images are too small (bottom row, right, is 100px). You cannot, on the one hand, complain that a a shade of white used in the background color of the tea garden image (on the left, and used in India) is unacceptable, but say nothing about the much darker pixie green of the picture on the left. This is not the place to for thrashing out WP Policy. Very best regards, Fowler&fowler «Talk» 16:42, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
I'm going away on vacation, so I won't be around for the proposed RfC. I'd like to record my gratitude to Moxy who over a month ago first informed me about Wikipedia image accessibility guidelines (to which I later discovered Wikipedia and MOS themselves pay short shrift) The accessibility page referenced the four color-blindness filters. These, in turn, led me to the pictures with background colors in their captions. (Before that I was unaware that there was an option to choose a background color. For the same reason, I had never used a background color in the hundreds of figures and images I have added to Wikipedia.) For each figure caption, the color I have chosen on the India page is the shade of white closest in RGB space to the average color presentation either of the entire image, or of the main feature in the image; the font size 110% of normal These values present the least issues in color blindness, especially for achromatopsia. You may compare the two versions: India: with no background color in figure captions and India: current version with background color in figure captions at the four color-blindness filters site using the fourth (Grey-level) filter. It will become painfully obvious that for achromatopsia the color caption backgrounds are much better than the white, especially for blue links. (For the other forms of color blindness, the two versions are the same.) And it has nothing to do with font size. You may reduce the font size to 100% and the results will be the same. Furthermore, the white captions (psycho-physically) distort the image perception by bleaching the pictures, as you will notice in the mist in the background in two versions of the Axix axis picture presented here. The distortion in perception is slight, but it is present nonetheless. The shade of white chosen in the top image, however, which is nearer in RGB space than is white to the average color presentation of the image, does not single out any one color for enhanced perception and distorts the image less. Clearly, also, as is apparent from the pixie green image "Adoxa" (see farther above on the left), background colors, more intense ones, are allowed by MOS. As for why the India article might be moving away from the Wikipedia norm, I can only repeat what user:Nichalp, the main author of the first version of this article, and the nominator at its first and only FA run in 2004, use to say: the India page has never quite toed the line, whether it is with the image rotation, the much greater emphasis on history, geography, biodiversity, and culture than on defense, government and politics, the general insistence on using featured pictures, or the general insistence on discussions before edits (witness is huge talk archive). Anyway, that is more or less what I have to say. I welcome, of course, the three new editors (Dream Linker, The Huhsz, and Begoon) as they make their first edits on this page. I also thank Begoon for his contributions to professional graphic designing and printing. I moreover empathize with Dream Linker's headache acquired in the course of viewing the colored backgrounds. I hope he has recovered. Best regards and good luck to all. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 10:40, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
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It is mentioned in the second paragraph that "Early political consolidations gave rise to the loose-knit Maurya and Gupta Empires based in the Ganges Basin.[27] Their collective era was suffused with wide-ranging creativity,[28] but also marked by the declining status of women,[29]". I think its baised assessment not appropriate because satus of women is lower to men in majority parts of the world until 20th century, women got voting rights in US and UK only in1920s. But it is not mentioned in their Wikipedia pages that until 1920s those countries have lower status for their women than men. It was in the very human evolution that women were declined equal status with men.
And can it be proved that before Mauryan and Gupta period the women had a better satus than in the Mauryan and Gupta period? The proof for that same should be added as a reference, if not the statement be removed for the better. BodduLokesh ( talk) 19:56, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
And when it is not mentioned in Wikipedia pages of any other country, selectively mentioning in the India wikipedia page and that too mentioned that in a peirod 2500 years ago seems abaurd. And reference required that women enjoyed superior/equal status to men before Mauryan and Gupta period, if not the statement be removed. Showing proof that low status of women existed in Gupta and Mauryan era says only that it existed in their era, it doesn't say whether it existed before them or not. So, proof is required that women are not treated lower to men before Mauryan and Gupta era, if not general assumption can be made there existed same situation for women even before Mauryan and Gupta period if this assumption/argument is not negated with proof. BodduLokesh ( talk) 20:05, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
I'm on vacation. Responding because I received an email. I won't be here to respond to more irrelevant points. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 05:27, 16 October 2019 (UTC)Political consolidations gave rise to the loose-knit Maurya and Gupta empires, [1] [2] [3] [4] their collective time span suffused with wide-ranging creativity, [5] [6] but also with the declining status of women, ..." [7] [8] [9]
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link) Quote: "The story of the growth of arithmetic from the ancient inheritance to the wealth passed on to the Renaissance is dramatic and passes through several cultures. The most groundbreaking achievement was the evolution of a positional number system, in which the position of a digit within a number determines its value according to powers (usually) of ten (e.g., in 3,285, the "2" refers to hundreds). Its extension to include decimal fractions and the procedures that were made possible by its adoption transformed the abilities of all who calculated, with an effect comparable to the modern invention of the electronic computer. Roughly speaking, this began in India, was transmitted to Islam, and then to the Latin West."
"Area controlled by India shown in dark green; regions claimed but not controlled shown in light green" you have written this... But now light green area is also controlled by Indian Government by revoking article 370 from Jammu and Kashmir... Please colour all area in dark green. Imvivekchaudhary007 ( talk) 01:08, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
A sentence in the lead paragraph currently reads It is the
seventh-largest country by area, the
second-most populous country, and the most populous
democracy in the world.
I propose that it be changed to It is the
second-most populous country, the most populous
democracy, and the
seventh-largest country by area.
This reordering helps to emphasize the traits that make India unique by listing them first. (In very basic terms, when one thinks of India, "lots of people" comes to mind before "lots of land.") I understand that listing area first has been a long-standing norm, but I think we ought to adapt to the noteworthy elements by country — readers won't take up pitchforks if we list population first here but area first for
Russia. Thoughts, everyone?
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FWIIW, I prefer the current order. Other than the logical sequencing, the most important thing is what we end with, not what we begin with. -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 18:45, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
It is the seventh-largest country by area, the second-most populous country, and the most populous democracy in the world. If I remember correctly from my history textbooks, I have always seen the area mentioned first and then the population/largest democracy. I did a search for Google books just now ("india the seventh largest country" without quotes) and checked the first new pages. A significant majority of the results state the area first and then the population.-- DreamLinker ( talk) 14:43, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
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remove that modern humans settled in India from Africa 55000 years ago. The OOAT is not proven and is still a theory. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.98.102.219 ( talk) 16:52, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
Which of the following sentences should be used as the second sentence of this article?
It is the seventh-largest country by area, the second-most populous country, and the most populous democracy in the world.
It is the second-most populous country, the most populous democracy, and the seventh-largest country by area.
It is the second-most populous country, the seventh-largest by area, and the most populous democracy in the world.
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In the right box, change "Official Languages TO Union Languages". And, change "Recognised regional languages TO Official Languages". Hindi and English are not the only official languages, it is only used in the Union and it does not mean they are the only Official languages. When we search in google, it lists wikipedia content as the top search and says there are only two official languages in India - which is entirely misleading. Aru8 ( talk) 18:13, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
Please refer this link stating that Hindi and English are only used in the union. https://knowindia.gov.in/profile/the-union/official-language.php You can refer the below link for the list of languages recognized as Official langugages. https://mhrd.gov.in/sites/upload_files/mhrd/files/upload_document/languagebr.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aru8 ( talk • contribs) 07:14, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
The Indo-European languages are a language family of several hundred related languages and dialects. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.163.79.233 ( talk) 06:48, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
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India is one of the first Civilizations which emerged in the planet, it is contemporary to China and fertile crescent, called as Indus Valley today, Modern Indians share same genetic history to them Indus valley from basis of Modern Indian DNA., and Indus people form basis of Modern Indian DNA, Indus Culture brought earliest form of Hindu or Sanatana Dharma, Sari and other ancient clothing, Cotton farming, Yoga, Terracotta. I know that Indus Script is yet to be deciphered but it has proven connection to Dravidians/South India. Sagnique ( talk) 02:35, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
As mentioned in the Performing arts and media section, the bhaona of Assam is often "based on Hindu mythology, but also borrowing from medieval romances or social and political events". "It is a traditional form of entertainment, with religious messages, prevalent is Assam, India. It is a creation of Mahapurusha Srimanta Sankardeva, written in the early sixteenth century. He created the form to convey religious messages to villagers through entertainment. Later Srimanta Madhavdevaalso wrote some plays. The plays of bhaona are popularly known as Ankiya Nats and their staging is known as bhaona. Bhaona is generally staged at xatras and namghars in Assam. There are some special characteristics of Bhaona like the plays, dialogues, costumes, ornaments, entry and foot-steps of the characters. These characteristics helps to differentiate Bhaona from other plays." Therefore it should be included in the mentioned section. Abhroneel 09:21, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
@ Smjg: It goes back more than two centuries:
Oxford English Dictionary: (OED) Comprise 8b To constitute, make up, compose.
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c. passive. To be composed of, to consist of.
Webster's Unabridged:
Comprise (v): 5a : to consist of : be made up of <the fortress comprises many miles of entrenchment and well-hidden artillery positions> <the thirty-five essays it comprises … are mostly reprinted from previous collections — Harry Levin> b : to make up : constitute <the receipts … comprised the fifth-largest gate in boxing history — John Lardner>
May I respectfully suggest that you not change that sentence until you have gained consensus for it on this talk page. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 18:28, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
Those two require subscriptions. But here is one available freely online:
Longman Dictionary of Contemporary English
2 [transitive] to form part of a larger group of people or things SYN constitute, make up Women comprise a high proportion of part-time workers. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 18:49, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
Here's another: Collins/COBUILD Advanced English Dictionary:
2. verb The things or people that comprise something are the parts or members that form it.
Examples: The proposals exclude three of the four nations comprising the UK.. [VERB noun] Women comprise 44% of hospital medical staff. [VERB noun]
Synonyms: make up, form, constitute, compose Fowler&fowler «Talk» 18:56, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
@ Smjg: Who's residence? Not this article's.
Here is a history lesson. You will agree that "comprise" in the sense of "constitute" (hereafter CITSOC), or "make up," or "form" is documented in dictionaries. The evidence is overwhelming that CITSOC was used without dispute or controversy during the 18th and 19th centuries.
Unfortunately, early in the 20th, at the conclusion of the war to end all wars (hereasfter WTEAW), half my namesake, mourning the loss of the other half of my namesake from consumption contracted in the selfsame WTEAW, which in any case had not lived up to its name, forgot the dicta of their pre-WTEAW effort, viz.:
Prefer the familiar word to the far-fetched.
Prefer the concrete word to the abstract.
Prefer the single word to the circumlocution.
Prefer the short word to the long.
Prefer the Saxon word to the Romance. (hereafter PPPPP)
and began to wage a WTEAW of words (hereafter WTEAWOW) against CITSOC in his eponymous style guide. For half a century, thereafter, others such as the plain-speaking Ernest Gowers, also waged WTEAWOW against CITSOC. However, with the onset of detente, rapprochement, and the Fall of the Berlin Wall, WTEAWOW against CITSOC became a spent force. The pent-up yearnings of the people to employ CITSOC in the speech and writing were released and the evidence is again overwhelming for CITSOC. So where are we now? We could write, "India makes up the bulk of the Indian subcontinent." This would be in line with PPPPP. But that would sound too ordinary, befitting more the Simple Wikipedia. But, of the two sleeping dogs, comprise and constitute, one has precedence in the article, by many years, which is a strong case for letting them lie. I'm now returning to my vacation, as I've already stated twice upstairs. Best regards, Fowler&fowler «Talk» 05:18, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
India is not a fully federal nation.Its a quasi-federal strcucture.USA is a federal nation however India is holding together nation witha strong union so its quasi federal state Srijanx22 ( talk) 21:59, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
How does one make the colossal pictures smaller on this article so sentences are not fragmented? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.249.229.215 ( talk) 06:40, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
Hi, can someone please change the font in which the national anthem (Jana Gana Mana) is typed? It seems out of place in all the text here... RedBulbBlueBlood9911 ( talk) 13:31, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
Can we please add some sections or allow adding them with following subsections
* e.g. first true university was established which accommodated pupils from across the Asian and other regions * First formal treatise in grammatical linguistics was written in Sanskrit which paved the way for major academic work in other world languages
* positional value system was conceived and operational in India which lead to use of 0 (decimal zero) * close to accurate earlieestf approximations of Earth's circumference and astronomical observations with regards to planetary system with Sun being at the center and other planets revolving around. * Earliest conceptualization of quadratic inequalities and roots using Dharacharya method * Faster approaches for complex calculations with lesser steps required than present in modern day mathematics.
Despite western beliefs and history written by contemporary western historians, large part of India was always free and was flourishing in terms of cultural advancement and scientific way of thinking. The British and other colonial powers had influence only in smaller coastal areas where they had managed to be in peaceful nexus with local landlords or rulers. Indian subcontinent in its entirety was never part of any empire. By the end of circa 1000 AD, Indian western frontiers were the only regions in Asia which had successfully reciprocated Islam's spread for many centuries in India.
Also despite popular belief and literature about the effects of non-violent methods, its was the successful armed resistance which effectively routed the British out of India in 1st half of 20th century. The leading figures behind the armed but still patriotic resistance were Subhash Chandra Bose, Bhagat Singh, Chadra Shekhar Azad, Ashfaq Ullah Khan and many other freedom fighters whose efforts paved the way for formal declaration of Indian control over coastal regions which were arguably under any colonial influence.
Can we also add some better images under culture and costume as the one currently there don't reflect the modern way of living in India. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sin nitins ( talk • contribs) 00:33, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
Right hand site driving happens in India now.... So change driving site in this article pls... KR studios ( talk) 03:26, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
can somenody change the nominal gdp per capita on the page? It's meant to be $2301. Thanks Kamthi732 ( talk) 09:45, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
This article should use the syntax described at MOS:IMAGESYNTAX instead. Hddty ( talk) 12:49, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
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Hi, somewhere in the article, the word 'defense' is mis-spelt as defence. Could you guys please fix that ? Thanks! 74.118.5.254 ( talk) 19:34, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
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Please add the line "India emerged as one of the first civilizations in the Indus river valley" in the beginning of second paragraph. [1] India is one of the first Civilizations which emerged in the planet, it is contemporary to China and fertile crescent, called as Indus Valley today, Modern Indians share same genetic history https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/09/genome-nearly-5000-year-old-woman-links-modern-indians-ancient-civilization and Indus people form basis of Modern Indian DNA, Indus Culture brought earliest form of Hindu or Sanatana Dharma, Sari and other ancient clothing, Cotton farming, Yoga, Terracotta, etc. I know that Indus Script is yet to be deciphered but it has proven connection to Dravidian's/South India. Sagnique ( talk) 17:05, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
"Pakistan has nothing to do with Indian history" is a very odd and inaccurate combination of words. Irtapil ( talk) 23:43, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
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That's absolutely crazy! India has started investing in both and it's time that the world's third-largest country (PPP GDP) gets that section. Healthcare, space exploration, nuclear and solar power can be included in the section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NervousRing ( talk • contribs) 14:36, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
Please, that Indians are also called Bharatis and Hindustanis. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ParadiseKingPMSAW ( talk • contribs) 09:09, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
Why is the country name not in Hindi in Devanagari script? Most other country pages have the name in the local script, so I was about to add it, then I realised that for such a big country if it's not there it's likely a deliberate omission? What's going on? There was a note in the info box "Do NOT remove this from the infobox as infobox translations and transliterations do not fall under WP:Manual of Style/India-related articles#Indic scripts in leads and infoboxes", but it was a bit unclear whether that was the reason it was only in Latin script, and i'm sure i've seen Indic script in info boxes on other pages. Can i add it to the body text but not the info box? Can we discuss whether we should include it, and if so where? I know some users may get blank boxes if their device doesn't interpret the characters properly, but currently nobody can see it. Irtapil ( talk) 04:03, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
For fairness / balance should the local name be in other major local scripts as well (Malayam, Gugerati, etc.)? which should be included, and are the Wikipedias in these languages an appropriate source for the names? Irtapil ( talk) 04:03, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
The article behins with "India (Hindi: Bhārat), ...". Please correct (Hindi: Bhārat) to (Hindi: भारत) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:647:4001:6A70:493F:5FD6:8BD6:5F8D ( talk) 04:36, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
Is there a good reason the name of India is not included in local script(s) such as Devanagari? details: - If it's because some readers might get empty boxes or "�" instead of the correct characters, surely it's better for some readers to see it than none? - If Indic script is incompatible with country boxes, can it at least go in the body text, please. (Though the box for Bangladesh has Bengali with no apparent glitch.) - If it is to avoid giving preferential treatment to Hindi/Devanagari we included a few others as well? - If there are far too many, could it be a separate table? - Alternatively, Hindi and English being the official National Languages seems to be justification to include just Devanagari and English, it's still better than just English. And lot of different Indian languages are written in Devanagari script currently as the main formal script (even if another script was used previously) e.g. Marathi, Maithili_language, Nepali language, Konkani language, Bodo language, or use Devanagari as an alternate script, e.g. Punjabi language, Gujarati language, Santali language, Kashmiri language, Sindhi language, Dogri language, and Urdu (Devanagari Urdu has some slightly different vocabulary to Hindi). Irtapil ( talk) 04:50, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
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I removed the template and I combined the edit request with the above section, does that fix the problem? Irtapil ( talk) 23:45, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
I already looked to see if it had previously been discussed, i couldn't find anything on this talk page that showed a prior consensus. I admit i haven't read every last word, but the only thing i can find is me and one anonymous user today suggesting that transliterations alone are insufficient. If it has been discussed already please specify which sub-section includes a consensus being reached on this issue? This is the only page i can find on en.wikipedia.org which omits relevant use of south Asian scripts. Irtapil ( talk) 23:50, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
Proposed simple solution, the list exists as a separate page, so in or after the first sentence someone add Names of India in its official languages, please. Irtapil ( talk) 04:08, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
I agree with @ User:Irtapil and Devagari should be used in every Indian political and informative page. Simply creating separate pages created completely in other Indian languages just won't work. Sagnique ( talk) 12:21, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
State given on the page is incomplete missing or incorrect. There are 28 states in India, which is stated correct, however while creating the chart there's 1 state is missing even the serial number as well. Under Administrative divisions point of the article the chart does not has Madhya Pradesh Mentioned on it, which should be on number 13. Kindly Include Madhya Pradesh as in the state on number 13, and also input number 13 in the serial number -- Shubham R. B. Tripathi ( talk) 12:45, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
Most major country Wikipedia pages have "Education" sections. Education is extremely important issue, especially in a large developing country like India. The following is my proposed content for a new "Education" section on this article with a link to Education in India as the main article:
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Education in India is provided by
public schools (controlled and funded by three levels:
central,
state and
local) and
private schools. Under various articles of the
Indian Constitution, free and compulsory education is provided as a fundamental right to children between the ages of 6 and 14. At the primary and
secondary level, India has a large
private school system complementing the government run schools, with 29% of students receiving private education in the 6 to 14 age group.
[1] Secondary education covers children aged 14 to 18. Secondary education in India is examination-oriented and not course-based: students register for and take classes primarily to prepare for one of the centrally-administered examinations. After Secondary education students may opt for vocational education or university education. India's All India Council of Technical Education (AICTE) reported, in 2013, that there are more than 4,599 vocational institutions that offer degrees, diploma and post-diploma in architecture, engineering, hotel management, infrastructure, pharmacy, technology, town services and others.
[2] In January 2019, India had over 900 universities and 40,000 colleges.
[3] Three Indian universities were listed in the
Times Higher Education list of the world's top 200 universities —
Indian Institutes of Technology,
Indian Institutes of Management, and
Jawaharlal Nehru University in 2005 and 2006. In April 2015,
IIT Bombay launched the first U.S.-India joint EMBA program alongside
Washington University in St. Louis.
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Education in India is provided by public schools (controlled and funded by three levels: central, state and local) and private schools. Under various articles of the Indian Constitution, free and compulsory education is provided as a fundamental right to children between the ages of 6 and 14. As per the Annual Status of Education Report (ASER) 2012, 96.5% of all rural children between the ages of 6-14 were enrolled in school. This is the fourth annual survey to report enrolment above 96%. [1] However, numerous issues pervade contemporary education in India including inefficient teaching methods, grade inflation, an urban/rural gap, low completion levels, massive graduate unemployment, corruption, saffronisation, a gender gap, and the tremendous influence of a small number of elite secondary schools. [2] [3] [4] [5] Modern education in India is often criticised for being based on rote learning rather than problem solving. [6] Education in rural India is valued differently from in an urban setting, with lower rates of completion. [7] An imbalanced sex ratio exists within schools with 18% of males earning a high school diploma compared with only 10% of females. [8] The estimated number of children who have never attended school in India is near 100 million which reflects the low completion levels. [9] This is the largest concentration in the world of youth who haven't enrolled in school. [10]
At the primary and secondary level, India has a large private school system complementing the government run schools, with 29% of students receiving private education in the 6 to 14 age group. [11] [12] [13] Although there are private schools in India, they are highly regulated in terms of what they can teach, in what form they can operate (must be a non-profit to run any accredited educational institution) and all other aspects of operation. Hence, the differentiation of government schools and private schools can be misleading. [14] Secondary education covers children aged 14 to 18. Secondary education in India is examination-oriented and not course-based: students register for and take classes primarily to prepare for one of the centrally-administered examinations. After Secondary education students may opt for vocational education or university education. An analysis by the Center for Monitoring Indian Economy (CMIE) reported that between September and December of 2018 reached 13.2% (with a 35% rate for women) compared to an overall average unemployment rate of 6.7%. [15] The 2011 Census survey holds the National Literacy Rate to be 74.04%. [16] The youth literacy rate, measured within the age group of 15 to 24, is 81.1% (84.4% among males and 74.4% among females), [17] while 86% of boys and 72% of girls are literate in the 10-19 age group. [18] India's traditional emphasis on higher education during the later half of the 20th century, as opposed to a focus on primary education as in Sri Lanka or South Korea, has been a major factor in India's long lasting illiteracy, with wider societal consequences. [19] [20] Corruption in the Indian education system has been eroding the quality of education and has been creating long-term negative consequences for the society. Educational corruption in India is considered as one of the major contributors to domestic black money. [21]
India's higher education system is the third largest in the world, after China and the United States. [22] India's All India Council of Technical Education (AICTE) reported, in 2013, that there are more than 4,599 vocational institutions that offer degrees, diploma and post-diploma in architecture, engineering, hotel management, infrastructure, pharmacy, technology, town services and others. [23] In January 2019, India had over 900 universities and 40,000 colleges. [24] Three Indian universities were listed in the Times Higher Education list of the world's top 200 universities — Indian Institutes of Technology, Indian Institutes of Management, and Jawaharlal Nehru University in 2005 and 2006. In April 2015, IIT Bombay launched the first U.S.-India joint EMBA program alongside Washington University in St. Louis. [25]
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Is there a reason why the pictures are so big and have different colors?-- 2605:8D80:564:D499:C6A:C3B6:F618:F371 ( talk) 08:10, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
Education in India is provided by public schools (controlled and funded by three levels: central, state and local) and private schools. Under various articles of the Indian Constitution, free and compulsory education is provided as a fundamental right to children between the ages of 6 and 14. As per the Annual Status of Education Report (ASER) 2012, 96.5% of all rural children between the ages of 6-14 were enrolled in school. This is the fourth annual survey to report enrolment above 96%. [1] At the primary and secondary level, India has a large private school system complementing the government run schools, with 29% of students receiving private education in the 6 to 14 age group. [2] Although there are private schools in India, they are highly regulated in terms of what they can teach, in what form they can operate (must be a non-profit to run any accredited educational institution) and all other aspects of operation. Hence, the differentiation of government schools and private schools can be misleading. [3] Secondary education covers children aged 14 to 18. Secondary education in India is examination-oriented and not course-based: students register for and take classes primarily to prepare for one of the centrally-administered examinations. After Secondary education students may opt for vocational education or university education. India's higher education system is the third largest in the world, after China and the United States. [4] India's All India Council of Technical Education (AICTE) reported, in 2013, that there are more than 4,599 vocational institutions that offer degrees, diploma and post-diploma in architecture, engineering, hotel management, infrastructure, pharmacy, technology, town services and others. [5] In January 2019, India had over 900 universities and 40,000 colleges. [6] Three Indian universities were listed in the Times Higher Education list of the world's top 200 universities — Indian Institutes of Technology, Indian Institutes of Management, and Jawaharlal Nehru University in 2005 and 2006. In April 2015, IIT Bombay launched the first U.S.-India joint EMBA program alongside Washington University in St. Louis. [7]
Numerous issues pervade contemporary education in India including inefficient teaching methods, grade inflation, an urban/rural gap, low completion levels, massive graduate unemployment, corruption, a gender gap, and the tremendous influence of a small number of elite secondary schools. Modern education in India is often criticised for being based on rote learning rather than problem solving. [8] Education in rural India is valued differently from in an urban setting, with lower rates of completion. An imbalanced sex ratio exists within schools with 18% of males earning a high school diploma compared with only 10% of females. The estimated number of children who have never attended school in India is near 100 million which reflects the low completion levels. [9] This is the largest concentration in the world of youth who haven't enrolled in school. [10] An analysis by the Center for Monitoring Indian Economy (CMIE) reported that between September and December of 2018 reached 13.2% (with a 35% rate for women) compared to an overall average unemployment rate of 6.7%. [11] The 2011 Census survey holds the National Literacy Rate to be 74.04%. [12] The youth literacy rate, measured within the age group of 15 to 24, is 81.1% (84.4% among males and 74.4% among females), [13] while 86% of boys and 72% of girls are literate in the 10-19 age group. [14] Corruption in Indian education system has been eroding the quality of education and has been creating long-term negative consequences for the society. Educational corruption in India is considered as one of the major contributors to domestic black money. [15]
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Thank you Johnbod for the recommendations and Fowler&fowler for your reshuffle edit, it flows much better now. I will post the edited version below. Please let me know if you think there should be any last edits before posting it. Also, do you consider it is best if it is posted as a subtopic under "Culture"? -- Doc2129 ( talk) 06:59, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
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Jaura is not a town of India, it is from brazil. Require to update this to make it correct. Himanshu0920 ( talk) 21:13, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
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India is the 5th largest economy in the world by nominal GDP and 3rd largest by purchasing power parity (PPP). Also at 131, India is home to the most number of billionaires after US and China. Tyrion Lannister Maniac ( talk) 08:06, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
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India is a regional power and is also considered a great power and potential superpower. Tyrion Lannister Maniac ( talk) 08:08, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
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India has many official languages an not just 2 as stated here. I believe it has 22 offical langugates as per scheule 8 of the constituion Jsugumar ( talk) 01:43, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
Strangely, in the current version of the article [1] photographs of a modern India seem to be almost entirely lacking. Looking at the whole article, the most recent piece of technology appearing in photographs is an American tractor from the 50s . In the "Economy" paragraph, it's all about milking cows , and women in fields . In the "Industry" paragraph, otherwise mentioning Indian industrial prowesses in telecommunication technology or pharmaceuticals, the illustration is... a traditional tea field in Sikkim . The "Society" paragraph is illustrated by a Muslim in prayer in an old mosque in Srinagar ... is this really emblematic of today's Indian society? In the "Geography" article, the image of clustered rundown fishing boats could be advantageouly replaced by some nice landscape . Also, several of the current photographs are of a rather poor quality, and I am not sure they belong to a featured article, especially those related to clothing. Surely, we can do better than that. The general impression of this article in its current version is that of India as a backward nation, stuck in the past. What a difference with the China article for example!
So, I suggest we should do justice to some of the more modern aspects of India, by also illustrating some of its more recent achievements. For example:
I also suggest that we remove the cream-colored backgrounds of the photographs, as they give to the article an unnecessary decorative, stuffy, antiquated look, almost never seen elsewhere on Wikipedia.
I am not saying that everything in India is modern and beautiful, far from it, but at least we could be more objective and balanced in showing the various aspects of the country: modernity constrasting with backwardness, glamour contrasting with poverty, with a general trend towards improvement and modernization as the economy progresses year after year. पाटलिपुत्र Pat (talk) 07:42, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
This message is to Fowler&fowler. I am sorry but I have to disagree with your justifications. I would like to point some of the inaccuracies:
1) India's Agriculture Sector: I agree that the agriculture sector contributes the most in terms of employment in India. However, as you point out that 44% of the overall workforce and 57% of them female are in agricultural sector, " a shining new tractor" does not do justice to India's modern agriculture. Perhaps, the following source and image can be used as a more appropriate representation of Modern India Agriculture / Farming Sector. [1]
1.1) Hydroponic Farming image: [2]
2) India's Dairy Industry: As you rightly said, India is the largest producer in milk and almost half of it's output comes in "smallholder farms". Nonetheless, the following source and image displays how homegrown, modern and creative breakthroughs helped these "smallholder farms" to evolve rapidly and made the dairy industry to become more efficient and productive is more appropriate and contemporary. [3]
2.1) New Age Technologies: [4]
3) India's Jammu & Kashmir Demographics: The 95% Muslim majority population you are referring to and it's source is only about 'Kashmir Valley', not the whole Jammu & Kashmir territory. While Kashmir valley constitutes to 95% Muslims and 4% Hindus, Jammu valley constitutes to 66% Hindus and 30% Muslims.
3.1) Kashmir [5] 3.2) Jammu & Kashmir (State) [6] 3.3) Jammu & Kashmir (Union Territory) [7]
So, if you really considered about the "representative of regional society", the following images should also be posted along with other religious architecture.
Photo 1: Hindu Temple ruins in Kashmir region: [8]
Photo 2: Hindu Temple ruins in Kashmir region: [9]
Photo 3: Hindu Temple ruins in Kashmir region: [10]
Moreover, this page is about India and when you consider the "representative of regional society" more accurately, with 79.80% of Hindus, I would think an Hindu temple should also be depicted/represented along with other religion's photos in "Demographics, language and religion" category.
I sincerely wish you or any other moderator here will earnestly consider my points without any colonial bias/favoritism. Vishme21 ( talk) 23:47, 18 March 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vishme21 ( talk • contribs) 23:37, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
Perhaps the following images (which are labelled for noncommercial reuse) of Ranganathaswamy Temple [11], which is the largest functioning Hindu Temple in the world would be appropriate in my opinion:
Image 1: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sri_Ranganathaswamy_Temple_Vaishnavism_India.jpg
Image 2: https://live.staticflickr.com/3274/3033520679_879b8439b4_b.jpg Vishme21 ( talk) 03:58, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
@ RegentsPark: This is a complicated situation. As you know we use to have rotating images. It was a lot easier to accommodate different likes and dislikes then. Now we have less room. At the time of the TFA I had gone back to Nichalp's old standard of using Featured Pictures (as much as is possible). I can't seem to find any FPs of temples with crowds. Assuming, though, that you would like to give a reader a sense of the activity, the ritual, the ceremony, associated with Hindu worship, the picture of a temple might not be the best thing. It might be better to have a picture we use to have, but one we took out. I have attached it here. In the other pictures Sikh, Jain, Christian, Muslim, or Buddhist, we have in the article, some aspect of worship is conveyed. This being India, and Hinduism being the majority religion, something more in-depth would be appropriate, such as the picture I have attached here. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 23:46, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
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India has 22 officialy spoken lamguages. In a state called Tamilnadu there is a very negligible population knowing Hindi. Only 0.6% of the people in Kerala are native speakers of Hindi, the least in India, and Tamil Nadu has the smallest percentage !-- Write your request ABOVE this line and do not remove the tildes and curly brackets below. --> Arunrajahkl ( talk) 12:11, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
Is there a way to view the pictures in a normal way. Not sure why the article is showing up so weird compared to other India articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:8D80:566:BBBE:41A3:DF73:AB7A:50FD ( talk) 21:31, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
India has 28 states and 9 union territory as jammu and kashmir is no longer states it divided into two union territory after the revoke of 370. Please correct the data Gauravtheeditor ( talk) 17:53, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
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Hindi is not the official language of India but its the most commonly used language 02nipun94 ( talk) 22:55, 7 April 2020 (UTC)