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I wonder if this content would not be better served by being chopped and edited into the article on Heteronormativity. I mean, the entire article is about heteronormativity. It's not a sufficiently independent subject to warrant a different article. To keep this separate gives us a very "meh" B class article on heteronorm. (which is a generous rating and would totally not fly in other communities with an article of that quality) and another "meh" probably C class article on a related and basically synonymous subject. Instead they could be combined to make a very high B class or A. I say merge them and make one stellar article on a widely important subject. Timothyjosephwood ( talk) 16:25, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
I think the RuPaul interview should read "palette" instead of "palate." Palate is the ability to taste, or the roof of the mouth. A palette is the set of colors an artist uses for a particular painting, or their preferred colors to use in all their paintings; it's also the object colors are mixed on. It's similar to "repertoire" in music or drama. Roches ( talk) 22:36, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
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Unfortunately, the page is not GA at this time. The lede intro sect still doesn't meet WP:LEAD standards, and there's still the at least eight (8) uses of heavy blockquoting and way too much quotations throughout the article itself. Doesn't meet WP:BIAS, as the Women sect is still much shorter than that for Men. Conclusion: There's been some good improvements, but still needs a lot of work. Please consider a Peer Review before renominating again for GA, and at the peer review try to ask for input by posting neutrally worded notices on talk pages of relevant WikiProjects. Good luck, it's a topic of value for the encyclopedia, for sure, — Cirt ( talk) 01:03, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
this edit removed the text: Often, more so in the gay male community, these gender roles are sexualised, with the "tops" and "bottoms" being considered "male" and "female". on the grounds that "tops and bottoms are terms within the gay male community". This was sourced, although the source may not be highly reliable. However, I am confident that the terms "tops" and "bottoms"are used in at least some sections of the lesbian community, although I don't have a source at hand, and those sections may be quite unrepresentative of the wider community. Still this removal seems to indicate a stereotype or an assumption about what terms are and are not used by women. Perhaps someone can find an actually reliable and comprehensive source or sources on the usage of these terms? Unstated and possibly unexamined assumptions can be risky. DES (talk) 00:10, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
I am confused about this passage:
Men's rights activists worked to stop second-wave feminists from having influence in the gay rights movement and promoted the idea of hypermasculinity as an inherent part of gay sexuality.[71]
Can one quote the source or reword it? (Hello @Zumoarirodoka? :) Zezen ( talk) 08:55, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
I think the sentence, "Following a period of non-recognition from the media, gay men have been presented in the media in a stereotypical feminine way, which is open to ridicule (as well as lesbians and transvestites), although films such as Brokeback Mountain are breaking this stereotype," could be changed to, "Following a period of non-recognition from the media, gay men have been presented in the media in a stereotypical feminine way, which is open to ridicule (as well as lesbians and transvestites), although films such as Brokeback Mountain challenge this stereotype." So "challenge" would replace "are breaking" to make this reference more applicable for future readers. Student02A ( talk) 19:44, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
I was considering adding the following: "While psychologists, Costa and Davies (2012), found that enforcing conservative gender roles, a social structure, is correlated with holding negative feelings and ideas for the LGBT community." I would put this after the Maggie Gallagher source and before the Margaret Somerville quotation. My intention is to balance the findings to reflect more widespread attitudes. The citation would be
Costa, P. A., & Davies, M. (2012). Portuguese Adolescents' Attitudes Toward Sexual Minorities:
I believe the following sources can be used in the expansion of the Parenting, marriage and the family section:, [1], [2], [3] and. [4] Student02A ( talk) 08:49, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
References
I was thinking of adding a new subsection on the division of labor within families because it would provide more insights into marriage and family life. This would be my proposed section:
Maura Kelly and Elizabeth Hauck conducted research on the division of labor within same-sex relationships through interviewing a sample of same-sex couples (2015). [1] Kelly and Hauck found that no division of labor within a same-sex relationship can be viewed as setting a precedent as to what gender roles are normal. A female partner in a same-sex relationship may perform chores that are considered feminine, like cooking, cleaning, and child rearing. However, the other female partner may perform chores that are considered masculine, like outside work and employment outside of the home. The partners’ behaviors do not support gender roles because all the roles performed are done by females. There is not an inherent distinction made between masculine and feminine because females are the ones performing both types of chores.
Kelly and Hauck’s study found that labor in same-sex couples is divided on the basis of time availability and personal preference.These factors are more influential in the division of labor than the belief that the labor should be divided evenly between the partners in same-sex couples.
I will include an additional citation on the last sentence of the first paragraph and the first sentence of the second paragraph as well. Student02A ( talk) 23:12, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
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I am planning to use the following sources in my contributions to the Parenting, marriage, and the family section:, [1], [2], [3] and. [4] Student02A ( talk) 19:28, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
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I wonder if this content would not be better served by being chopped and edited into the article on Heteronormativity. I mean, the entire article is about heteronormativity. It's not a sufficiently independent subject to warrant a different article. To keep this separate gives us a very "meh" B class article on heteronorm. (which is a generous rating and would totally not fly in other communities with an article of that quality) and another "meh" probably C class article on a related and basically synonymous subject. Instead they could be combined to make a very high B class or A. I say merge them and make one stellar article on a widely important subject. Timothyjosephwood ( talk) 16:25, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
I think the RuPaul interview should read "palette" instead of "palate." Palate is the ability to taste, or the roof of the mouth. A palette is the set of colors an artist uses for a particular painting, or their preferred colors to use in all their paintings; it's also the object colors are mixed on. It's similar to "repertoire" in music or drama. Roches ( talk) 22:36, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
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Unfortunately, the page is not GA at this time. The lede intro sect still doesn't meet WP:LEAD standards, and there's still the at least eight (8) uses of heavy blockquoting and way too much quotations throughout the article itself. Doesn't meet WP:BIAS, as the Women sect is still much shorter than that for Men. Conclusion: There's been some good improvements, but still needs a lot of work. Please consider a Peer Review before renominating again for GA, and at the peer review try to ask for input by posting neutrally worded notices on talk pages of relevant WikiProjects. Good luck, it's a topic of value for the encyclopedia, for sure, — Cirt ( talk) 01:03, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
this edit removed the text: Often, more so in the gay male community, these gender roles are sexualised, with the "tops" and "bottoms" being considered "male" and "female". on the grounds that "tops and bottoms are terms within the gay male community". This was sourced, although the source may not be highly reliable. However, I am confident that the terms "tops" and "bottoms"are used in at least some sections of the lesbian community, although I don't have a source at hand, and those sections may be quite unrepresentative of the wider community. Still this removal seems to indicate a stereotype or an assumption about what terms are and are not used by women. Perhaps someone can find an actually reliable and comprehensive source or sources on the usage of these terms? Unstated and possibly unexamined assumptions can be risky. DES (talk) 00:10, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
I am confused about this passage:
Men's rights activists worked to stop second-wave feminists from having influence in the gay rights movement and promoted the idea of hypermasculinity as an inherent part of gay sexuality.[71]
Can one quote the source or reword it? (Hello @Zumoarirodoka? :) Zezen ( talk) 08:55, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
I think the sentence, "Following a period of non-recognition from the media, gay men have been presented in the media in a stereotypical feminine way, which is open to ridicule (as well as lesbians and transvestites), although films such as Brokeback Mountain are breaking this stereotype," could be changed to, "Following a period of non-recognition from the media, gay men have been presented in the media in a stereotypical feminine way, which is open to ridicule (as well as lesbians and transvestites), although films such as Brokeback Mountain challenge this stereotype." So "challenge" would replace "are breaking" to make this reference more applicable for future readers. Student02A ( talk) 19:44, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
I was considering adding the following: "While psychologists, Costa and Davies (2012), found that enforcing conservative gender roles, a social structure, is correlated with holding negative feelings and ideas for the LGBT community." I would put this after the Maggie Gallagher source and before the Margaret Somerville quotation. My intention is to balance the findings to reflect more widespread attitudes. The citation would be
Costa, P. A., & Davies, M. (2012). Portuguese Adolescents' Attitudes Toward Sexual Minorities:
I believe the following sources can be used in the expansion of the Parenting, marriage and the family section:, [1], [2], [3] and. [4] Student02A ( talk) 08:49, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
References
I was thinking of adding a new subsection on the division of labor within families because it would provide more insights into marriage and family life. This would be my proposed section:
Maura Kelly and Elizabeth Hauck conducted research on the division of labor within same-sex relationships through interviewing a sample of same-sex couples (2015). [1] Kelly and Hauck found that no division of labor within a same-sex relationship can be viewed as setting a precedent as to what gender roles are normal. A female partner in a same-sex relationship may perform chores that are considered feminine, like cooking, cleaning, and child rearing. However, the other female partner may perform chores that are considered masculine, like outside work and employment outside of the home. The partners’ behaviors do not support gender roles because all the roles performed are done by females. There is not an inherent distinction made between masculine and feminine because females are the ones performing both types of chores.
Kelly and Hauck’s study found that labor in same-sex couples is divided on the basis of time availability and personal preference.These factors are more influential in the division of labor than the belief that the labor should be divided evenly between the partners in same-sex couples.
I will include an additional citation on the last sentence of the first paragraph and the first sentence of the second paragraph as well. Student02A ( talk) 23:12, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
References
References
I am planning to use the following sources in my contributions to the Parenting, marriage, and the family section:, [1], [2], [3] and. [4] Student02A ( talk) 19:28, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
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