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The current text states that emojis have a very short history, they don't -- /info/en/?search=Smiley Alanthehat ( talk) 01:40, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) SITH (talk) 19:06, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
–
WP:COMMONNAME - the article title is usually the name ... of whatever ... the topic of the article is
. The "emoji" in the title of these articles is superfluous; it makes the titles be descriptive rather than reflect the
WP:COMMONNAME of each topic. There is no disambiguation issue:
Pile of poo and
Face with Tears of Joy already redirect to these respective articles;
Pile of Poo is currently red. Note that emojipedia uses
Face with Tears of Joy] and
Pile of Poo
В²C
☎
17:25, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
In the Starry Night painting van Gogh's night sky is ...[3], or
Tumbling across the centre of Van Gogh’s sky is the Starry Night painting’s most extraordinary feature[4]. Specifying the type of item after the name doesn't make the type part of the name. Such usage doesn't mean The Starry Night should be at The Starry Night painting. I really don't understand the distinction you guys are trying to make. -- В²C ☎ 20:05, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
Tumbling across the centre of Van Gogh’s sky is The Starry Night's most extraordinary feature. The same is not true with these emoji. "He ended the tweet with a Face with Tears of Joy emoji" sounds fine. "He ended the tweet with a Face with Tears of Joy" (or "with the Face with Tears of Joy" or "with Face With Tears of Joy") all strike me as bizarre. Colin M ( talk) 21:22, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. A merger discussion can take place separately. ( closed by non-admin page mover) feminist ( talk) 15:05, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
– WP:COMMONNAME and lack of indication that emoji names are proper names. – Þjarkur (talk) 01:50, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
As I mentioned above, I don't believe Unicode's names for the emojis are proper names, only descriptors. Emojipedia is a voting member on the Unicode Consortium and Emojipedia treats all its entries as proper names, including Three O’Clock and Large Orange Diamond. I don't believe 'large orange diamond' is a proper name any more than the left-to-right mark (U+200E LEFT-TO-RIGHT MARK). Unicode itself only publishes using allcaps: U+1F602 😂 FACE WITH TEARS OF JOY & U+1F4A9 💩 PILE OF POO and gives them the short names "face with tears of joy" & "pile of poo".
Now, the WP:COMMONNAME of the poop emoji does not appear to be "Pile of Poo" and it is rarely referred to as such. Here are all the instances I could find in a selection of 4 sources where the poop emoji is discussed:
Source | "Poop emoji" | "Poo emoji" | "Pile of poo(p)" | Other |
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NYTimes | [5] [6] [7] [8] (quoting Stephen Colbert) [9] [10] | the “Pile of Poo” emoji (linking to Emojipedia) | smiling poop emoji, smiling pile of poo | |
Wired | [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] | pile of poo emoji, pile of poop | smiling poo emoji, smiling pile of poo | |
Guardian | [17] [18] | [19] [20] [21] [22] [23] | the “pile of poop” emoji, the pile of poop emoji | smiling pile of poop, “smiling poop” emoji, happy poo emoji, smiling poop, smiling poo emoji |
BBC | [24] [25] [26] | [27] [28] [29] [30] [31] [32] | the "pile of poo" emoji | smiley poo emoji, cartoon poop |
"Poop emoji" is at least commonly used in all of those sources, although variantions are seen.
Now, when it comes to Face with Tears of Joy there are so many different ways of referring to it that I had a hard time assembling such a list. But, these are the sources we cite in our article:
All right, so here many of the cited sources use it as a proper name, but many are quoting the "official name" Oxford Dictionaries mention in their press release. Most of our cited sources don't refer to the emoji using this "official name" and instead describe it, and three sources use "face with tears of joy" as a descriptor.
– Þjarkur (talk) 01:50, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
Some Chinese people seem to use this as an awkward smile, alleging that the "laughing hard" semantics are a Western reinterpretation ( blog post on Languagelog). Is there any evidence about how the emoji was originally used on Japanese cellphones? -- 2.204.224.18 ( talk) 13:59, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. Though the nominator showed that there is some usage of the proposed title, consensus is that the current article title is the current WP:COMMONNAME. Participation was fairly light, so no prejudice to a subsequent RM if usage continues to shift. ( non-admin closure) ModernDayTrilobite ( talk • contribs) 16:49, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
Face with Tears of Joy emoji → Tears of Joy emoji – Following on from Pile of Poo emoji move discussion, I believe that "Face with" should be dropped from the title to a) simplify the format in line with other emoji related pages (e.g. Red Heart emoji and Eggplant emoji and b) due to WP:COMMONNAME. FelixFLB ( talk) 14:43, 24 August 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Amakuru ( talk) 10:41, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Hi there! I'll be handling this review :) expect full comments in about a week. Thanks! theleekycauldron ( talk • contribs) (she/her) 22:24, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
pre-unicode→
pre- Unicode
it has different names and meanings in different regions and cultures, but also
The emoji is used in communication to portray joking and teasing on messaging platforms? Also, are emojis used outside of communication?
wasn't→
was not
due to the limited adoption of the product, it wasn't popularthat seems tautological. Why wasn't it widely adopted?
the digital smiley movement?
the CEO of The Smiley Company. In 2001, The Smiley Company→
CEO of The Smiley Company. In 2001, The Smiley Company
developed and launched The Smiley Dictionary. The Dictionary provided a list→
developed and launched The Smiley Dictionary, which provided a list
including the "Face with Tears of Joy" emoji. was introducednot sure what's happening here
This along with other providers and online platforms taking similar routes with adoption of emoji keyboards, meant a boom in usage of emojis.rather clunky. Recommend
This, along with other providers and online platforms taking similar routes regarding the adoption of emoji keyboards, created a boom in usage of emojis.
up from 4% and 9% respectively, from→
up from 4% and 9% respectively in
Since DoCoMo's i-Mode emoji set derived from a Japanese visual style commonly found in manga and anime, combined with kaomoji, they symbolise facial expressions?
So sorry about the delays,
Soulbust!
On hold while the issues are rectified.
theleekycauldron (
talk •
contribs) (she/her)
23:31, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
![]() | Face with Tears of Joy emoji was nominated as a Social sciences and society good article, but it did not meet the good article criteria at the time (December 31, 2022, reviewed version). There are suggestions on the review page for improving the article. If you can improve it, please do; it may then be renominated. |
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The current text states that emojis have a very short history, they don't -- /info/en/?search=Smiley Alanthehat ( talk) 01:40, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) SITH (talk) 19:06, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
–
WP:COMMONNAME - the article title is usually the name ... of whatever ... the topic of the article is
. The "emoji" in the title of these articles is superfluous; it makes the titles be descriptive rather than reflect the
WP:COMMONNAME of each topic. There is no disambiguation issue:
Pile of poo and
Face with Tears of Joy already redirect to these respective articles;
Pile of Poo is currently red. Note that emojipedia uses
Face with Tears of Joy] and
Pile of Poo
В²C
☎
17:25, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
In the Starry Night painting van Gogh's night sky is ...[3], or
Tumbling across the centre of Van Gogh’s sky is the Starry Night painting’s most extraordinary feature[4]. Specifying the type of item after the name doesn't make the type part of the name. Such usage doesn't mean The Starry Night should be at The Starry Night painting. I really don't understand the distinction you guys are trying to make. -- В²C ☎ 20:05, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
Tumbling across the centre of Van Gogh’s sky is The Starry Night's most extraordinary feature. The same is not true with these emoji. "He ended the tweet with a Face with Tears of Joy emoji" sounds fine. "He ended the tweet with a Face with Tears of Joy" (or "with the Face with Tears of Joy" or "with Face With Tears of Joy") all strike me as bizarre. Colin M ( talk) 21:22, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. A merger discussion can take place separately. ( closed by non-admin page mover) feminist ( talk) 15:05, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
– WP:COMMONNAME and lack of indication that emoji names are proper names. – Þjarkur (talk) 01:50, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
As I mentioned above, I don't believe Unicode's names for the emojis are proper names, only descriptors. Emojipedia is a voting member on the Unicode Consortium and Emojipedia treats all its entries as proper names, including Three O’Clock and Large Orange Diamond. I don't believe 'large orange diamond' is a proper name any more than the left-to-right mark (U+200E LEFT-TO-RIGHT MARK). Unicode itself only publishes using allcaps: U+1F602 😂 FACE WITH TEARS OF JOY & U+1F4A9 💩 PILE OF POO and gives them the short names "face with tears of joy" & "pile of poo".
Now, the WP:COMMONNAME of the poop emoji does not appear to be "Pile of Poo" and it is rarely referred to as such. Here are all the instances I could find in a selection of 4 sources where the poop emoji is discussed:
Source | "Poop emoji" | "Poo emoji" | "Pile of poo(p)" | Other |
---|---|---|---|---|
NYTimes | [5] [6] [7] [8] (quoting Stephen Colbert) [9] [10] | the “Pile of Poo” emoji (linking to Emojipedia) | smiling poop emoji, smiling pile of poo | |
Wired | [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] | pile of poo emoji, pile of poop | smiling poo emoji, smiling pile of poo | |
Guardian | [17] [18] | [19] [20] [21] [22] [23] | the “pile of poop” emoji, the pile of poop emoji | smiling pile of poop, “smiling poop” emoji, happy poo emoji, smiling poop, smiling poo emoji |
BBC | [24] [25] [26] | [27] [28] [29] [30] [31] [32] | the "pile of poo" emoji | smiley poo emoji, cartoon poop |
"Poop emoji" is at least commonly used in all of those sources, although variantions are seen.
Now, when it comes to Face with Tears of Joy there are so many different ways of referring to it that I had a hard time assembling such a list. But, these are the sources we cite in our article:
All right, so here many of the cited sources use it as a proper name, but many are quoting the "official name" Oxford Dictionaries mention in their press release. Most of our cited sources don't refer to the emoji using this "official name" and instead describe it, and three sources use "face with tears of joy" as a descriptor.
– Þjarkur (talk) 01:50, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
Some Chinese people seem to use this as an awkward smile, alleging that the "laughing hard" semantics are a Western reinterpretation ( blog post on Languagelog). Is there any evidence about how the emoji was originally used on Japanese cellphones? -- 2.204.224.18 ( talk) 13:59, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. Though the nominator showed that there is some usage of the proposed title, consensus is that the current article title is the current WP:COMMONNAME. Participation was fairly light, so no prejudice to a subsequent RM if usage continues to shift. ( non-admin closure) ModernDayTrilobite ( talk • contribs) 16:49, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
Face with Tears of Joy emoji → Tears of Joy emoji – Following on from Pile of Poo emoji move discussion, I believe that "Face with" should be dropped from the title to a) simplify the format in line with other emoji related pages (e.g. Red Heart emoji and Eggplant emoji and b) due to WP:COMMONNAME. FelixFLB ( talk) 14:43, 24 August 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Amakuru ( talk) 10:41, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Reviewer: theleekycauldron ( talk • contribs) 22:24, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
Hi there! I'll be handling this review :) expect full comments in about a week. Thanks! theleekycauldron ( talk • contribs) (she/her) 22:24, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
pre-unicode→
pre- Unicode
it has different names and meanings in different regions and cultures, but also
The emoji is used in communication to portray joking and teasing on messaging platforms? Also, are emojis used outside of communication?
wasn't→
was not
due to the limited adoption of the product, it wasn't popularthat seems tautological. Why wasn't it widely adopted?
the digital smiley movement?
the CEO of The Smiley Company. In 2001, The Smiley Company→
CEO of The Smiley Company. In 2001, The Smiley Company
developed and launched The Smiley Dictionary. The Dictionary provided a list→
developed and launched The Smiley Dictionary, which provided a list
including the "Face with Tears of Joy" emoji. was introducednot sure what's happening here
This along with other providers and online platforms taking similar routes with adoption of emoji keyboards, meant a boom in usage of emojis.rather clunky. Recommend
This, along with other providers and online platforms taking similar routes regarding the adoption of emoji keyboards, created a boom in usage of emojis.
up from 4% and 9% respectively, from→
up from 4% and 9% respectively in
Since DoCoMo's i-Mode emoji set derived from a Japanese visual style commonly found in manga and anime, combined with kaomoji, they symbolise facial expressions?
So sorry about the delays,
Soulbust!
On hold while the issues are rectified.
theleekycauldron (
talk •
contribs) (she/her)
23:31, 12 November 2022 (UTC)