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hey PLG, i saw your removal of a lot of the reaction info.
I think we can include a lot of it still.. As a general rule of thumb, if there is a news site covering much of it, it should be considered notable.
I think we can subsection the reactions though and give it a bit more structure. I'll try my hand at it. User:Sawerchessread ( talk) 23:25, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
User:Russ Woodroofe, thank you--yes, User:Sawerchessread, edits are usually not administrative actions. I'd appreciate it if you kept this talk page section a bit on focus; it reads like a running diary, and I can't really see what it is supposed to discuss--that's also because you keep making new, short paragraphs that are heavily indented, which are difficult to follow. A list of vigils is not encyclopedic content; "it's verified cause it was in the paper" is not much of an argument. It's like the "reactions" to the next school shooting: it's NOTMEMORIAL material.
And now I see you're pointing at other articles, but Charleston_church_shooting#Aftermath is totally on point and focused on events directly relevant to the shooting, unlike the vague "there were vigils". For Charleston there were vigils too, but they're not in the article. And I don't like Reactions to the murder of George Floyd, esp. not with the responses with the flaggies--but that Scotland decided to not export tear gas, rubber bullets, and riot gear to the US, that's actually important. Drmies ( talk) 13:53, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
Because this article is about the death of Nex Benedict, it seems to be vitally important to include known information about Nex's actual death in the lead sentence. At the moment, reliable sources say that Nex's death was a suicide caused by a drug overdose. This has been established for a month now, and no credible alternative has been produced.
I argue this should be stated in Wikivoice. But even if we disagree about whether such a claim should be attributed, it should still be included in the lead sentence qualified or not. Peter L Griffin ( talk) 00:32, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
The lead currently says that Nex was "required by state law" to use the girls' bathroom. This is not strictly correct. The state law in question requires schools to offer an alternative in the form of a single-occupancy bathroom.
[The bill] requires each school to provide a reasonable accommodation - a single-occupancy restroom or changing area - to anyone who does not wish to comply with the requirement.
Transgender students who decline to use the restroom required under the measure would have to use “a single-occupancy restroom or changing room” provided by the school.
Trans students who do not comply will be required to use a “single-occupancy restroom or changing room” at their school.
The article body is similarly inaccurate when it says that "Students are legally required to use a bathroom that corresponds with sex assigned at birth". It would be more accurate to say "Students are legally prohibited from using a bathroom that does not correspond..."
Astaire ( talk) 21:38, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
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According to Nex Benedict’s mother, Nex has been bullied by others since the beginning of the 2023 school year.
Source: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/nex-benedict-dead-oklahoma-b2501844.html TnDi Edits ( talk) 13:08, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
Understand they were non-binary, but as the state insists that people use the bathroom of their birth sex, what birth sex was Nex? It is not listed anywhere in the article, and this is needed to be stated so people can see if Nex was using the bathroom the state law says or not? 2A00:23C4:241:8C01:154F:D402:E3A0:D7E8 ( talk) 11:52, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
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hey PLG, i saw your removal of a lot of the reaction info.
I think we can include a lot of it still.. As a general rule of thumb, if there is a news site covering much of it, it should be considered notable.
I think we can subsection the reactions though and give it a bit more structure. I'll try my hand at it. User:Sawerchessread ( talk) 23:25, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
User:Russ Woodroofe, thank you--yes, User:Sawerchessread, edits are usually not administrative actions. I'd appreciate it if you kept this talk page section a bit on focus; it reads like a running diary, and I can't really see what it is supposed to discuss--that's also because you keep making new, short paragraphs that are heavily indented, which are difficult to follow. A list of vigils is not encyclopedic content; "it's verified cause it was in the paper" is not much of an argument. It's like the "reactions" to the next school shooting: it's NOTMEMORIAL material.
And now I see you're pointing at other articles, but Charleston_church_shooting#Aftermath is totally on point and focused on events directly relevant to the shooting, unlike the vague "there were vigils". For Charleston there were vigils too, but they're not in the article. And I don't like Reactions to the murder of George Floyd, esp. not with the responses with the flaggies--but that Scotland decided to not export tear gas, rubber bullets, and riot gear to the US, that's actually important. Drmies ( talk) 13:53, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
Because this article is about the death of Nex Benedict, it seems to be vitally important to include known information about Nex's actual death in the lead sentence. At the moment, reliable sources say that Nex's death was a suicide caused by a drug overdose. This has been established for a month now, and no credible alternative has been produced.
I argue this should be stated in Wikivoice. But even if we disagree about whether such a claim should be attributed, it should still be included in the lead sentence qualified or not. Peter L Griffin ( talk) 00:32, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
The lead currently says that Nex was "required by state law" to use the girls' bathroom. This is not strictly correct. The state law in question requires schools to offer an alternative in the form of a single-occupancy bathroom.
[The bill] requires each school to provide a reasonable accommodation - a single-occupancy restroom or changing area - to anyone who does not wish to comply with the requirement.
Transgender students who decline to use the restroom required under the measure would have to use “a single-occupancy restroom or changing room” provided by the school.
Trans students who do not comply will be required to use a “single-occupancy restroom or changing room” at their school.
The article body is similarly inaccurate when it says that "Students are legally required to use a bathroom that corresponds with sex assigned at birth". It would be more accurate to say "Students are legally prohibited from using a bathroom that does not correspond..."
Astaire ( talk) 21:38, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
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According to Nex Benedict’s mother, Nex has been bullied by others since the beginning of the 2023 school year.
Source: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/nex-benedict-dead-oklahoma-b2501844.html TnDi Edits ( talk) 13:08, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
Understand they were non-binary, but as the state insists that people use the bathroom of their birth sex, what birth sex was Nex? It is not listed anywhere in the article, and this is needed to be stated so people can see if Nex was using the bathroom the state law says or not? 2A00:23C4:241:8C01:154F:D402:E3A0:D7E8 ( talk) 11:52, 26 July 2024 (UTC)