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This article is a good start, but has a long way to go.. Highway 22:42, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
What does this mean? "A city can also be defined as an absence of physical space between people and firms."
AThousandYoung 23:02, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
A firm is a company. 75.172.38.26 21:21, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
I have added a picture of the very well known city of Sabadell (next to Barcelona, in Catalonia, Spain). I think it's good to show both faces of what we understand as city: by one side, the cold and inhuman face of city shown in the great cities of the United States, Canada, and some of the big cities of Europe, and Asia, etc. By the other side, I think it's good to show an image of a normal city, a warm and cool city. The face of the technology and the modernity and the face of the tradition and the cultural and social factor that a city plays to put together their citizens.
Onofre Bouvila 22:54, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Alston says this type of thing shouldn't be here, it should be in Wiktionary? Is this correct? It's very good though ;)
I've decided to redirect "City" to "Central Business District", because the latter word is the proper definition of the area.
(from JustAnyone) I thought it would be good to have a set of information about a city that includes how things work.
I'm surprised that in a list such as list of cities in Oklahoma it seems that any place in the US with a population of more than 1,000 is a city; anything less is a town. In the UK somewhere with only 1,000 people would be called a village. Is this nomenclature correct? Shantavira 18:26, 11 May 2004 (UTC)
What's up with the link to the toki pona 'pedia at the bottom of the page? It doesn't seem to be working too well...who is running that 'pedia anyways?
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05:11, 25 May 2004 (UTC)
Perhaps a merger or disambiguation or alternative use is in order, see
the City and
The_City_(book_by_Maximilian_Weber). --
Piotrus 10:11, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I removed the text below from the opening of the article. I honestly don't understand what it means or what it refers to. older≠ wiser 13:01, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)
The fact that you don't understand something does not mean it is not worthwhile for you to search. Look up http://www.intbau.org/essay5.htm and you might find some sense in that definition.
Hillel Schocken
"I removed the text below from the opening of the article. I honestly don't understand what it means or what it refers to. older≠wiser 13:01, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Definition of City: A fixed place of human habitation that allows people to form relations with others at various level of intimacy, while remaining entirely anonymous. (Presented at the Israeli pavillion at the 7th Venice Biennale. Exhibition curated by Architect Hillel Schocken)"
I always felt that there was some similarity between how Americans use "city" and how the King James Version of the Bible uses it - may there be a connection?-- PeterR 23:11, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
The "Modern Conceptions" section is not entirely credible. Who is taking this approach? Is this how most people conceive of cities, or is it a theory developed and held by a few academics? The entire section is written in the passive voice, and that's the lazy way to try to be authoritative without actually citing any authorities. More fundamentally, does this particular theory of urban function/development belong in the "Cities" article, or does it deserve its own article (i.e., "The x Theory of Urban Function")? LaurenceJA 01:54, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I have been bold and removed the entire section. It was:
However, I don't want to discourage the author, and I would like to thank them for contributing their time and energy to the article. Wikipedia tolerates unreferenced claims but generally the more academic, abstract or controversial the topic becomes, the more important it is for the contribution to be verifiable against sources.
Ben Arnold 23:55, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
I removed the Indian cities from the list of "global cities". They're very big cities but, frankly, they don't fit the description given. They're all recognisably Indian. I also removed KL. It just doesn't fit the bill either. I'm not that convinced by the cities listed as it is but I don't want to tread on toes by removing those whose claim is rather spurious. Is Seoul really a "global city" though? J'burg? Toronto!? Is Toronto more closely part of the global network of big cities than it is part of Canada? Not sure about that. Philip Arthur 03:43, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
Isn't the (maybe old) definition of city a town with a cathedral?
Don't understand why this article should open with a photo of Montreal. Could somebody place it better or remove it? Thanks. Cribananda 22:16, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
Becuase it is a good example of a modern, large and post industrial city relevant to the conext of todays history as an example, and as a visual representation of the article Bmgoau 06:12, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
It's atleast better placed now. That's fine. Cribananda 05:33, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
What is the nonsensical rubbish about what Americans think "city" means supposed to be all about? "Greater Los Angeles" certainly includes other cities and villages than LA, but the city of LA has over 3 million people, Greater LA, which has no legal status, has like 12 million. If Greater Birmingham has 2M, fine, but to say that if Birmingham, England were in the US, it would have over 2M ppl is -- nonsense. Who writes this crap? Tom e r talk 15:14, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
While they does not have proper legal or geographical status, "greater cities" do have some individual status, like the Metropolitan Police of London for example, it serves the Greater London area. And what about private organisations, like the YMCA, which has at least it's Seattle chapter as "YMCA of Greater Seattle", which includes Seattle and it's neighboring towns and villages. And the 'Kreisstadten' of Germany, which are like geographical Big Brothers to each other if one of them is larger. Oh, that was tiring.- Uagehry456| Talk Jordanhill Vote 06:54, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
MY DEFINITIONS
Settlement- less than 100 people
Village- at least 100
Town- at least 1,000
City- at least 20,000
Metropolis- at least 100,000
This article needs info on rent levels, which are simultaneously crucial in determining how a city develops and determined by the development. -- Espoo 13:50, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
As you see on these two stats, Stockholm count way more more area size than Copenhagen. And Copenhagen only need to add like 300 m2, to be bigger populated.
Stockholm:
Copenhagen:
So witch city is biggest?
-- 194.255.124.250 23:01, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
Well, you usually figure out which city is larger in population by comparing the city population, in this case, Sweden is the winner! - Uagehry456| Talk Jordanhill Vote 07:06, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Um, th-that's Stockholm, by the way. - Uagehry456| Talk Jordanhill Vote 07:07, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
What about something I heard (perhaps apocryphal?) that a European city can only be defined as such if it contains a cathedral? Thus, Vinci is a city as despite its tiny population and size, it contains a cathedral, and so forth. I'd be grateful for clarification.
I think (keyword: "think") that small towns with cathedrals can't be cities because the cathedrals were probably only there because of their importance in history, rather than a town of significant size. Just take the small (former) town of Cascades, Washington (state) for example. It was not important because of it's size, but because of the amount of trade between the Eastern and Western parts of the state that took place there. I used that example just because I live here, by the way. - Uagehry456| Talk Jordanhill Vote 07:18, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
I got the same definition from my high school english teacher. A city had a cathedral otherwise it was a a town. And if it's very large, it's just a very large town. The prerequicite is a cathedral. However, some rather small "towns" have cathedrals, such as Ribe and Haderslev, defining them (in my book) as cities.-- Nwinther ( talk) 21:06, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
Are there any lists of cities by prominent geographical feature (coast, lake shore, island, peninsula, river(s), etc)? fiberglassdolphin 20:53, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
No, but the closest I can get, though, is this:
Farther off but still helpful:
Good luck! - Uagehry456| Talk Jordanhill Vote 07:37, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
I notice both photos illustrating that article show cities from the USA. Is that normal? I think there should also be a slight diversification in the nature of the pictures: why should only towns with skyscrapers figure? I know plenty of "cities" (very important ones too) that don't have skyscrapers: London, Paris... No, definitely, the two photos show a slight bias in favour of the US. Daniel Montin 17:15, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
I have never seen any scientific evidence suggesting that tornados evade urban areas because of the presence of a heat island. In fact, tornados have done considerably damage to urban areas. Also, I do not believe a heat island leads to cloudier or windier weather (with the exception of urban areas with very tall buildings in which a funneling effect occurs). However, it may be that higher pollution levels in urban areas lead to haze which give a city sky a grayer appearance than rural areas.
These comments need to be substantiated by scientific references or they should be removed.
On the other hand, urban heat islands lead to extended growing seasons since they keep night time temperatures warmer than surrounding areas. Also, they have been known to trigger the formation of thunder storms during summer in some areas of the world. I'll add that in if I find some sources.
-- Dba5 21:36, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
Why did this article fail GA nomination? How long ago was it? It looks to be in pretty good shape to me. Would it be worth renominating? -- Selket Talk 23:38, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Good NYC picture. New Yorkers like me appreciate that. :) SKREAM 00:22, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
In the Ancient times section it says 2500 ya, which is obviously some kind of measurement. Clicking on "ya" leads to a disambiguation page which has absolutely no reference to this use of ya. Unless they measured the city in arrow lengths (which would be very subjective), this is not a very obvious term. Years ago, Yards across, what does it mean?-- WPaulB 14:32, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Ya! That's surprising. Well, it's gone now, but I'll still respond. I like answering already answered questions. - Uagehry456| Talk Jordanhill Vote 07:42, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
It's just removed, not really answered, sorry. - Uagehry456| Talk Jordanhill Vote 00:25, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
It means years ago I believe most of the time, especially in this context. AThousandYoung 23:01, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
I think someone should not the reason cities are incorporated to begin with since that comes up so often. I, however, don't have the answer to that question. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.228.133.99 ( talk) 21:00, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
The map "Cities with at least a million inhabitants in 2006" is completely incorrect. In Germany for instance, ther're just 3 cities with more than 1 mio. inhabitants, whats about dubai & abu dhabi in VAE? The cities in Iran are at the wrong place... we have to delete this map from this page. -- Englishazadipedia ( talk) 21:45, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
I agree, this map is completely rediculous; there are only 9 cities in the United States with more than 1 million inhabitants and yet, this map suggests that there are 40. I am going to go ahead and remove it, if not for its inaccuracy, then for its misleading caption. I could understand if this map displayed all of the cities over say, 500k so inhabitants, but it is not mentioned on the image's page or its discussion page. If someone knows what it actually represents, feel free to put it up with the correct caption. Snagglepuss ( talk) 04:50, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
I believe it uses the population of cities' metropolitan areas, and not the official city populations. While this is a more objective criteria - the definition of what constitutes a "city" varies widely throughout the world (some places it's the dense core of a city area, sometimes it's the entire thing) - it may constitute original research. -- Aqwis ( talk – contributions) 10:09, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
This section is quite bad. Contrary to the opening text, archaeologists actually have considerable evidence about the birth and growth of the earliest cities. The "cities or agriculture first" section is a lot of hot air without any evidence. Again, archaeologists have LOTS of evidence, from around the world, about this (agriculture comes first, so why waste time on Jane Jacob's data-empty speculations?). If I find time I may try to fix this up. The section on the size of cities is very western-centric. Michael E. Smith ( talk) 02:12, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
This definition doesn't tell us anything.
"A city is generally an urban settlement with a large population..."
The problem I have with this definition is that 1) "urban" is a adjectival form of a synonym for "city", and "large" is a relative term. Is 1,000 people "large"? Or is 1,000,000 people "large"? If "large" cannot get us with three orders of magnitude, it's worthless.
I am adding the phrase "requiring the importation of resources". I can provide citations for Jared Diamond, Derrick Jensen, Paul Erlich all include this as part of their definition. I believe the truth of this is non-controversial, and also is an important component to the definition. -- Bill Huston (talk) 01:17, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
The whole article needs a thorough rewrite. At present it wanders, it is repetitive, overblown with padding and wording that makes it read like a paperback pot-boiler. As an example: What about "craftsman that develop in New Obsidian make"? Should it be "men"/ developed/made? or have a "the" and "age" or "culture"? But really what is it to do with City? Strikes me that overlong WP articles with masses of definition argument on their talk pages rarely get as far as the first "e" of "encyclopedic". I assume good faith but I do not subscribe to their religion.-- SilasW ( talk) 16:10, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
A city is bigger than a town, a town is bigger than a village, a village is bigger than a hamlet, a hamlet is bigger than a house and a house is bigger than a brick toilet.13 August 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.241.66.47 ( talk) 10:20, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
cities attract business people. How do cities provides the right business environment? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.13.249.37 ( talk) 09:21, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
This section is incredibly bad. I don't have time to fix it now, but maybe I can get to it later. The statement that there is insufficient evidence to understand the birth of cities is nonsense - there are LOTS of archaeological data. Jane Jacob's ideas that cities preceded agriculture are completely erroneous - there are hundreds of well-published excavations from all over the world that show this is not at all the case. The section on "why do cities form" is a speculative fringe view, unsupported by data (and there are LOTS of data). Michael E. Smith ( talk) 16:59, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
The article on “ city ” gives technical definitions for the US and Canada, but for Australia gives the common understanding of the term. Is this because the US and Canada only use the word “ city ” in a technical/political sense, much as “ state ” is only used in a technical/political sense ? In other words, would someone not talk about an urban settlement in Pennsylvania as a city simply because it needs to receive the charter, and would peope not refer to Hempstead (with 750 000 people) as a city simply because of its political status ? Or is the article simply inconsistent in the way it talks about these matters ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cassowary ( talk • contribs) 24 June 2008
As a casual passerby, I find it a bit weird that the article states that there is debate about wheter or not cities have become "obsolete" by the arrival of the internet. I know that it's a referenced statement so I won't argue that it's a POV that shouldn't be mentioned, but I would argue that it's such a minority opinion that it doesn't belong in the intro.
I am skeptical of the decision to have the obsolescence of the city as a debate in the lead. Certainly it is a major debate about cities, but I am skeptical that it is so much more important than any other debate about cities as to be worth mentioning in the lead - indeed, the debate seems to me several years old, given the recent change such that over 50% of the world population lives in cities, an equally major debate to my mind has been on the new centrality of cities.
Certainly the "are cities obsolete" theories are important, but I do not think they're lead-worthy. Phil Sandifer ( talk) 00:11, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
Someone please verify why Tel Aviv was part of that list. What are its qualifications that make it fit for the sub-article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.219.190.20 ( talk) 21:33, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
Does anyone object to me setting up automatic archiving for this page using MiszaBot? Unless otherwise agreed, I would set it to archive threads that have been inactive for 30 days and keep the last ten threads.-- Oneiros ( talk) 21:23, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
I took out the following sentance because i am quite sure that this is not true, because several cities, for example in China had populations of about 1 million.
But if i am wrong correct me...
"It is estimated that ancient Rome had a population of around 1 million people by the end of the last century BCE, which is widely considered the only city to reach that number until the Industrial Revolution. "
NEEDS VERIFICATION
This statement is definitely wrong, in ancient China, lots of cities had population over 500,000.And several cities like Chang'an in Tang Dynasty, had population over 1M when at its peak of development. Do not always stay in your own world while thinking about the history of the whole world!!! -- unsigned comments
To show how different cities can be, the article needs a picture of a city in the Third World. I'm thinking of a city in sub-Saharan Africa with 1-5 million inhabitants. Anyone know of a good picture? -- Aqwis ( talk – contributions) 10:04, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bf/Ibadan_street_scene.jpg ^^ This picture seems usable for that. 85.101.59.39 ( talk) 17:21, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Some added the section on Jane Jacobs' faulty notion that cities may have preceeded agriculture. This is an erroneous position, and the fact that authors of this entry want to promote false information does not make me inclined to edit or add to this entry. I have blogged about this (see the ref). [1]
If you want scholarly citations, open up any textbook on world prehistory.
Michael E. Smith ( talk) 20:31, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
No, I think that some people WANT to promote false information. I had made some minor edits to bring the article in line with current scientific knowledge. But someone discarded my edits and returned to the version with the erroneous interpretations of Jane Jacobs.
Jane Jacobs has something of a cult following, and many planners think that anything she wrote must be good and true. I have blogged about this (see the link above), and some comments on my blog entry were really outraged that I would claim that agriculture preceded cities. Well, excuse me for promoting a model that is universally accepted by archaeologists, and supported by thousands of radiocarbon dates from hundreds of excavations. If the contrary-to-fact opinions of Jane Jacobs are to be favored over well-supported scientific knowledge, then why should I spend my time making corrections? Michael E. Smith ( talk) 22:32, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
I've added the requested cite or source and so removed the tags. But feel free to discuss this further although the reference is very clear and from the Chilean federal Government site.
I think that the header can now be removed too? Chuckarg33 ( talk) 15:45, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
I just came across this article and saw that it says that the German language does not differentiate between city and town (or village). That is incorrect. "Stadt" always refers to a city (large, urban settlement), while "Dorf" refers to a village (small, more agricultural settlement). The confusion might come from the way the word "town" is used in the US. In the US it can refer to a village (nobody uses that term to describe a small US settlement, everybody uses the word "town"). At the same time it is also used to describe a city: The sentence "We went into town" gives absolutely no clue of the size of the settlement, it could refer to a city or a small village. So the problem is not that German does not differentiate between city and town, but rather that in US English, town can both describe a city or a village. 66.90.155.121 ( talk) 23:11, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
It would be interesting to have statistics showing, e.g. how many population centers around the world exceed 10 million, 1 million, 100,000, etc. -- Beland ( talk) 06:41, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
What is the minimum population required for a city to be offically classified as such? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Biglulu ( talk • contribs) 00:34, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
In Europe, City rights (and no, NOT Cathedral) were the defining difference. However, these were usually only granted by exception after the main feudal period (say after 1600-1700). So communities that experienced the bulk of their growth after this date are often underrepresented (in the Netherlands, the classic example is the Hague, better know as "the village in the Dunes", despite having an half million agglomeration, because it never got city rights. Simularly, communities that were significant in medieval times (either due to fortifications, commercial activity or sheer populace), but didn't continue that status after, are overrrepresented. One of the penultimate examples of those are the Hanse cities that didn't continuate their status after early medieval times, like Bruges.
I grew up in a "City" with 3000 inhabitants. But it had a major castle in medieval times.... 88.159.64.117 ( talk)
I see that in the 21st century category, all cities are listed as 'city, country' but the United States entry lists city and state (I listed country earlier this week). I don't see the need to list the state as it links to the relevant article, not a disambiguation. None of the other cities listed have country sub-divisions listed so there seems no need for the entry for Coyote Springs. Zarcadia ( talk) 20:21, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
The article mentions a higher mortality rate for cities. I know that Western cities had higher mortality rates, and I'm assuming Asian cities did, too. But that's just an assumption. Does anyone know, and can we add this information to the article. Leadwind ( talk) 00:15, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
In the United Kingdom, city status is not granted by
Royal Charter as stated in this article but is granted by
Letters patent. See e.g.
Ely, which for a long time (Aikin, John (1800),
England delineated (IV ed.), J. Johnson, p. 206) had been thought of as a city anyway.
"No. 46255".
The London Gazette. 4 April 1974. The QUEEN has been pleased by Letters Patent under the 'Great Seal of the Realm, bearing date the 1st day of April 1974, to ordain that the Town of Ely shall have the status of a City.
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1st April 1974. The QUEEN has been pleased by Letters Patent under the Great Seal of the Realm, bearing date the 1st day of April 1974, to ordain that the Town of Ely shall have the status of a City.
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The article starts with "A city is a relatively large and permanent settlement." The section on the United States explains that almost any settlement can be called a city there, even those of very small size. This definition differs from both our definition and what seems normal in the rest of the world. How did it arise? Could the answer be included in the article please? HiLo48 ( talk) 04:54, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Not sure how those last two posts fit under this heading, but back to the definition... I posted this query at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cities and received absolutely no response. Very frustrating. Anyway, I submit that our lead is simply wrong when it comes to the USA, which has, as many defenders of US-centrism repeatedly remind me, a huge proportion of our readership. We really need to amend the lead to point out that "relatively large" does not apply there. (See Soldier, Kansas for evidence of this.) HiLo48 ( talk) 23:49, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
I was very surprised when I read this article that there wasn't a single picture of New York City, while there were two identical pictures of Shanghai. I might be unusually fond of New York, but I think others would agree that there should be at least one picture of it. I didn't go ahead and stick in a picture because I figured if there was this big of a gap, there must be some reason for it. Is there some problem with past pictures, or some other problem that I haven't heard about, or should I just put in a picture? Thanks, Vladmirfish ( talk) 20:31, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
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did Jericho was the first city in the world ? . פארוק ( talk) 16:50, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
Afaik, no, Jericho is only one of the claimholder for /continuously/ occupied cities, not oldest absolute. Don't worry though, the Jericho Tel is interesting enough without it:-) 88.159.64.117 ( talk) 21:53, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
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The section on early cities, including the discussion of Gordon Childe's 10 points, is outdated and could be improved and expanded. I've made a start and may work on this later if I find time. Michael E. Smith ( talk) 05:07, 14 March 2008 |
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is this considered the world's first urban culture ? פארוק ( talk) 23:32, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
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This may be a bit subtle, considering the modern misuse of encyclopedias, but other, non-encyclopedic sources might be found for this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.247.25.6 ( talk) 22:58, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
i want to ask should I also add a section on types of cities around the world by geographical area ? , like article on the types of cities around the world in urban geography. פארוק ( talk) 23:47, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
the Chinese city, the Middle Eastern city, the American City,the Yuruba city in Africa, and so on .......
that what i mean. פארוק ( talk) 07:24, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
this is article that i wrote and after than he was deleted. פארוק ( talk) 11:02, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
"The primary subdivisions for local government in the Republic of Ireland are 26 counties..."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_government_in_the_Republic_of_Ireland#County_and_city_councils 29 counties listed there.
81.145.165.212 ( talk) 10:00, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
"Mesopotamia can claim the earliest cities, particularly Eridu, Uruk, and Ur." Certainly wrong. The earliest cities being Jericho, Tell Barak, Catal Hüyük e.a. Mesopotamian lowlands were unfit for permanent settlement due to annual inundations which displaced river beds and left vast stinking, rotting lakes for a few months. Only with neolithic technique could the lowlands be settled (Jemdet Nasr, from 5000 BC onwards).
Nuremberg - Ángel.García 131.188.3.20 ( talk) 09:30, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
In the section "Global cities" Istanbul is used as an example of both a global city and a non-global city. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HivMnd ( talk • contribs) 11:03, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
The section on ancient cities in Sub-Saharan Africa stated: "The oldest sites documented thus far are from around 500 AD including Awdaghust, Kumbi-Saleh the ancient capital of Ghana, and Maranda a center located on a trade rout between Egypt and Gao." This statement seems incorrect, as it does not account for the many urban developments that existed far before 500 AD. I went ahead and added some information about the third century BC urban center of Jenné-Jeno in modern-day Mali, and hopefully others can add more later. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sx1212 ( talk • contribs) 15:50, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
Under "global cities", Istanbul is listed in the first paragraph as an example of a global city, but on the third paragraph as an example of a historical city but not consider as a "global city".
So, what is it?
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I wonder why some cities have less than 100,000 inhabitants... 83.31.59.25 ( talk) 17:11, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
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There is a word missing from this sentence under Internal Structure: In cities such as and also Moscow, this pattern is still clearly visible. KannD86 ( talk) 15:36, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
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Is there a list of all cities of all countries, with a unique code per city (with a population greater than 2,000 or it has an airport with an IATA code)? So we can easily populate lists and that if a city changes its name then we can still keep referencial integrity to it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.201.33.24 ( talk) 18:39, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
Why are we using a picture of Palitana to demonstrate what a city is? Because Palitana is so pilgrimage-dependent, it seems like a strange choice to model the typical city. Mcavoybickford ( talk) 21:44, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
The section on urban ecology includes extensive discussion of the ecological and health detriments of cities without commensurate discussion of the benefits. In particular, the sentence "From one perspective, cities are not ecologically sustainable due to their resource needs" needs contextualization: is this comparing cities to rural areas or central cities to suburbs? What is assumed about global population and consumption in the absence of cities?
The section should mention the large and growing literature showing that compact development in central cities has lower environmental impact than sprawling development, and in particular, has lower carbon footprints in Western cities. [1] [2]
In addition, the discussion of health might mention that in Western countries, health and life expectancy is now higher in central cities than in suburbs and rural areas. [3]
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References
The last sentence of the intro (the last sentence of the 3rd paragraph of the article) makes no sense, unless I am overlooking something. Here is what it says: "Another example of relative age, is in the age of the oldest capital cities of the superpower and emerging superpower, they are the U.S. state capital of Santa Fe, New Mexico, and the Chinese prefecture capital of Xi'an, Shaanxi." Josh Theta ( talk) 02:06, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
I think it probably lost meaning after the rest of the paragraph was restructured. I attempted to correct it, but the edits were reverted. I also tried to correct some incorrect lists, and to back them with sources. But I guess that didn't help. Here are those fixes that I tried, for someone to potentially fix in the future. I can't be the only one to think it would be important to show some regional capital examples, as well as ancient cities in the Western hemisphere.
Other important traits of cities besides population include the capital city status and relative continued occupation of the city. For example, country capitals such as Beijing, London, Mexico City, Moscow, Nairobi, New Delhi, Paris, Rome, Seoul, Tokyo, and Washington, D.C. reflect the identity as national capitals. [capitaldraft 1] Some historic capitals, such as Kyoto in Japan's Kyoto Prefecture, Santa Fe in the US state of New Mexico, and Xi'an in China's Shaanxi province, maintain their reflection of cultural identity as regional capitals. [capitaldraft 2] [capitaldraft 3] [capitaldraft 4] There are former national capitals, like Alexandria and New York City, that continue to be globally recognized cultural and economic hubs. [capitaldraft 5] [capitaldraft 6] Religious holy sites offer another example of capital status within a religion, Vatican City, Varanasi, and Bodhgaya each hold significance. [capitaldraft 7] [capitaldraft 8] The old world cities of Jericho, Damascus, Aleppo, and Athens are among those laying claim to the longest continual inhabitation, [capitaldraft 9] while in the Americas among the oldest new world settlements are Cholula near Puebla, Florés in Petén, Oraibi near Kykotsmovi Village, and Acoma near Albuquerque. [capitaldraft 10]
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- ^ "Ch2". www-personal.umich.edu. Retrieved 2021-05-10.
- ^ Choi, Eunice. "Kyoto: History and Background". Columbia University in the City of New York. Retrieved 2021-07-25.
- ^ Kiprop, Victor (2018-03-13). "The 10 Oldest State Capitals". WorldAtlas. Retrieved 2021-07-19.
- ^ Mookherjee, Sheema (2013-10-25). "China's ancient capital rises again". BBC Travel. Retrieved 2021-07-19.
- ^ Mackie, J. Alan (2020-12-10). "History, Population, Map, & Facts". Encyclopedia Britannica. Retrieved 2021-07-25.
- ^ Lankevich, George (2020-10-23). "New York City - Layout, People, Economy, Culture, & History". Encyclopedia Britannica. Retrieved 2021-07-25.
- ^ {Cite web|title=Ch2|url= https://www.britannica.com/browse/Religious-Places%7Caccess-date=2021-07-25%7Cwebsite=Britannica}}
- ^ Huang, Juliane (2008-08-05). "The 5 Most Sacred Cities For The Spiritual Traveler". Matador Network. Retrieved 2021-07-25.
- ^ "11 oldest continuously inhabited cities in the world". Times of India Travel. 2014-07-08. Retrieved 2021-07-25.
- ^ Kiprop, Joseph (2017-07-18). "The Oldest Cities in North America". WorldAtlas. Retrieved 2021-07-25.
71.228.115.97 ( talk) 13:35, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
Then there's the City of Groton (Connecticut), which is a small part of the Town of Groton.... 104.153.40.58 ( talk) 01:24, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
I recently swapped out the image of the Eiffel Tower in the lead for one of Times Square, and John Maynard Friedman reverted. Although the Eiffel Tower is certainly a highly recognizable landmark around the world, I don't think it connotes a sense of urbanism as well as Times Square. What do others think? {{u| Sdkb}} talk 20:36, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
A tag was placed into this section, suggesting that a new article be carved out from it. Is there enough material to do so? What's currently here suggests that there's not. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 11:27, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
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This article is a good start, but has a long way to go.. Highway 22:42, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
What does this mean? "A city can also be defined as an absence of physical space between people and firms."
AThousandYoung 23:02, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
A firm is a company. 75.172.38.26 21:21, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
I have added a picture of the very well known city of Sabadell (next to Barcelona, in Catalonia, Spain). I think it's good to show both faces of what we understand as city: by one side, the cold and inhuman face of city shown in the great cities of the United States, Canada, and some of the big cities of Europe, and Asia, etc. By the other side, I think it's good to show an image of a normal city, a warm and cool city. The face of the technology and the modernity and the face of the tradition and the cultural and social factor that a city plays to put together their citizens.
Onofre Bouvila 22:54, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Alston says this type of thing shouldn't be here, it should be in Wiktionary? Is this correct? It's very good though ;)
I've decided to redirect "City" to "Central Business District", because the latter word is the proper definition of the area.
(from JustAnyone) I thought it would be good to have a set of information about a city that includes how things work.
I'm surprised that in a list such as list of cities in Oklahoma it seems that any place in the US with a population of more than 1,000 is a city; anything less is a town. In the UK somewhere with only 1,000 people would be called a village. Is this nomenclature correct? Shantavira 18:26, 11 May 2004 (UTC)
What's up with the link to the toki pona 'pedia at the bottom of the page? It doesn't seem to be working too well...who is running that 'pedia anyways?
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Perhaps a merger or disambiguation or alternative use is in order, see
the City and
The_City_(book_by_Maximilian_Weber). --
Piotrus 10:11, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I removed the text below from the opening of the article. I honestly don't understand what it means or what it refers to. older≠ wiser 13:01, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)
The fact that you don't understand something does not mean it is not worthwhile for you to search. Look up http://www.intbau.org/essay5.htm and you might find some sense in that definition.
Hillel Schocken
"I removed the text below from the opening of the article. I honestly don't understand what it means or what it refers to. older≠wiser 13:01, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Definition of City: A fixed place of human habitation that allows people to form relations with others at various level of intimacy, while remaining entirely anonymous. (Presented at the Israeli pavillion at the 7th Venice Biennale. Exhibition curated by Architect Hillel Schocken)"
I always felt that there was some similarity between how Americans use "city" and how the King James Version of the Bible uses it - may there be a connection?-- PeterR 23:11, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
The "Modern Conceptions" section is not entirely credible. Who is taking this approach? Is this how most people conceive of cities, or is it a theory developed and held by a few academics? The entire section is written in the passive voice, and that's the lazy way to try to be authoritative without actually citing any authorities. More fundamentally, does this particular theory of urban function/development belong in the "Cities" article, or does it deserve its own article (i.e., "The x Theory of Urban Function")? LaurenceJA 01:54, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I have been bold and removed the entire section. It was:
However, I don't want to discourage the author, and I would like to thank them for contributing their time and energy to the article. Wikipedia tolerates unreferenced claims but generally the more academic, abstract or controversial the topic becomes, the more important it is for the contribution to be verifiable against sources.
Ben Arnold 23:55, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
I removed the Indian cities from the list of "global cities". They're very big cities but, frankly, they don't fit the description given. They're all recognisably Indian. I also removed KL. It just doesn't fit the bill either. I'm not that convinced by the cities listed as it is but I don't want to tread on toes by removing those whose claim is rather spurious. Is Seoul really a "global city" though? J'burg? Toronto!? Is Toronto more closely part of the global network of big cities than it is part of Canada? Not sure about that. Philip Arthur 03:43, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
Isn't the (maybe old) definition of city a town with a cathedral?
Don't understand why this article should open with a photo of Montreal. Could somebody place it better or remove it? Thanks. Cribananda 22:16, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
Becuase it is a good example of a modern, large and post industrial city relevant to the conext of todays history as an example, and as a visual representation of the article Bmgoau 06:12, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
It's atleast better placed now. That's fine. Cribananda 05:33, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
What is the nonsensical rubbish about what Americans think "city" means supposed to be all about? "Greater Los Angeles" certainly includes other cities and villages than LA, but the city of LA has over 3 million people, Greater LA, which has no legal status, has like 12 million. If Greater Birmingham has 2M, fine, but to say that if Birmingham, England were in the US, it would have over 2M ppl is -- nonsense. Who writes this crap? Tom e r talk 15:14, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
While they does not have proper legal or geographical status, "greater cities" do have some individual status, like the Metropolitan Police of London for example, it serves the Greater London area. And what about private organisations, like the YMCA, which has at least it's Seattle chapter as "YMCA of Greater Seattle", which includes Seattle and it's neighboring towns and villages. And the 'Kreisstadten' of Germany, which are like geographical Big Brothers to each other if one of them is larger. Oh, that was tiring.- Uagehry456| Talk Jordanhill Vote 06:54, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
MY DEFINITIONS
Settlement- less than 100 people
Village- at least 100
Town- at least 1,000
City- at least 20,000
Metropolis- at least 100,000
This article needs info on rent levels, which are simultaneously crucial in determining how a city develops and determined by the development. -- Espoo 13:50, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
As you see on these two stats, Stockholm count way more more area size than Copenhagen. And Copenhagen only need to add like 300 m2, to be bigger populated.
Stockholm:
Copenhagen:
So witch city is biggest?
-- 194.255.124.250 23:01, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
Well, you usually figure out which city is larger in population by comparing the city population, in this case, Sweden is the winner! - Uagehry456| Talk Jordanhill Vote 07:06, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Um, th-that's Stockholm, by the way. - Uagehry456| Talk Jordanhill Vote 07:07, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
What about something I heard (perhaps apocryphal?) that a European city can only be defined as such if it contains a cathedral? Thus, Vinci is a city as despite its tiny population and size, it contains a cathedral, and so forth. I'd be grateful for clarification.
I think (keyword: "think") that small towns with cathedrals can't be cities because the cathedrals were probably only there because of their importance in history, rather than a town of significant size. Just take the small (former) town of Cascades, Washington (state) for example. It was not important because of it's size, but because of the amount of trade between the Eastern and Western parts of the state that took place there. I used that example just because I live here, by the way. - Uagehry456| Talk Jordanhill Vote 07:18, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
I got the same definition from my high school english teacher. A city had a cathedral otherwise it was a a town. And if it's very large, it's just a very large town. The prerequicite is a cathedral. However, some rather small "towns" have cathedrals, such as Ribe and Haderslev, defining them (in my book) as cities.-- Nwinther ( talk) 21:06, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
Are there any lists of cities by prominent geographical feature (coast, lake shore, island, peninsula, river(s), etc)? fiberglassdolphin 20:53, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
No, but the closest I can get, though, is this:
Farther off but still helpful:
Good luck! - Uagehry456| Talk Jordanhill Vote 07:37, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
I notice both photos illustrating that article show cities from the USA. Is that normal? I think there should also be a slight diversification in the nature of the pictures: why should only towns with skyscrapers figure? I know plenty of "cities" (very important ones too) that don't have skyscrapers: London, Paris... No, definitely, the two photos show a slight bias in favour of the US. Daniel Montin 17:15, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
I have never seen any scientific evidence suggesting that tornados evade urban areas because of the presence of a heat island. In fact, tornados have done considerably damage to urban areas. Also, I do not believe a heat island leads to cloudier or windier weather (with the exception of urban areas with very tall buildings in which a funneling effect occurs). However, it may be that higher pollution levels in urban areas lead to haze which give a city sky a grayer appearance than rural areas.
These comments need to be substantiated by scientific references or they should be removed.
On the other hand, urban heat islands lead to extended growing seasons since they keep night time temperatures warmer than surrounding areas. Also, they have been known to trigger the formation of thunder storms during summer in some areas of the world. I'll add that in if I find some sources.
-- Dba5 21:36, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
Why did this article fail GA nomination? How long ago was it? It looks to be in pretty good shape to me. Would it be worth renominating? -- Selket Talk 23:38, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Good NYC picture. New Yorkers like me appreciate that. :) SKREAM 00:22, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
In the Ancient times section it says 2500 ya, which is obviously some kind of measurement. Clicking on "ya" leads to a disambiguation page which has absolutely no reference to this use of ya. Unless they measured the city in arrow lengths (which would be very subjective), this is not a very obvious term. Years ago, Yards across, what does it mean?-- WPaulB 14:32, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Ya! That's surprising. Well, it's gone now, but I'll still respond. I like answering already answered questions. - Uagehry456| Talk Jordanhill Vote 07:42, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
It's just removed, not really answered, sorry. - Uagehry456| Talk Jordanhill Vote 00:25, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
It means years ago I believe most of the time, especially in this context. AThousandYoung 23:01, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
I think someone should not the reason cities are incorporated to begin with since that comes up so often. I, however, don't have the answer to that question. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.228.133.99 ( talk) 21:00, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
The map "Cities with at least a million inhabitants in 2006" is completely incorrect. In Germany for instance, ther're just 3 cities with more than 1 mio. inhabitants, whats about dubai & abu dhabi in VAE? The cities in Iran are at the wrong place... we have to delete this map from this page. -- Englishazadipedia ( talk) 21:45, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
I agree, this map is completely rediculous; there are only 9 cities in the United States with more than 1 million inhabitants and yet, this map suggests that there are 40. I am going to go ahead and remove it, if not for its inaccuracy, then for its misleading caption. I could understand if this map displayed all of the cities over say, 500k so inhabitants, but it is not mentioned on the image's page or its discussion page. If someone knows what it actually represents, feel free to put it up with the correct caption. Snagglepuss ( talk) 04:50, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
I believe it uses the population of cities' metropolitan areas, and not the official city populations. While this is a more objective criteria - the definition of what constitutes a "city" varies widely throughout the world (some places it's the dense core of a city area, sometimes it's the entire thing) - it may constitute original research. -- Aqwis ( talk – contributions) 10:09, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
This section is quite bad. Contrary to the opening text, archaeologists actually have considerable evidence about the birth and growth of the earliest cities. The "cities or agriculture first" section is a lot of hot air without any evidence. Again, archaeologists have LOTS of evidence, from around the world, about this (agriculture comes first, so why waste time on Jane Jacob's data-empty speculations?). If I find time I may try to fix this up. The section on the size of cities is very western-centric. Michael E. Smith ( talk) 02:12, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
This definition doesn't tell us anything.
"A city is generally an urban settlement with a large population..."
The problem I have with this definition is that 1) "urban" is a adjectival form of a synonym for "city", and "large" is a relative term. Is 1,000 people "large"? Or is 1,000,000 people "large"? If "large" cannot get us with three orders of magnitude, it's worthless.
I am adding the phrase "requiring the importation of resources". I can provide citations for Jared Diamond, Derrick Jensen, Paul Erlich all include this as part of their definition. I believe the truth of this is non-controversial, and also is an important component to the definition. -- Bill Huston (talk) 01:17, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
The whole article needs a thorough rewrite. At present it wanders, it is repetitive, overblown with padding and wording that makes it read like a paperback pot-boiler. As an example: What about "craftsman that develop in New Obsidian make"? Should it be "men"/ developed/made? or have a "the" and "age" or "culture"? But really what is it to do with City? Strikes me that overlong WP articles with masses of definition argument on their talk pages rarely get as far as the first "e" of "encyclopedic". I assume good faith but I do not subscribe to their religion.-- SilasW ( talk) 16:10, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
A city is bigger than a town, a town is bigger than a village, a village is bigger than a hamlet, a hamlet is bigger than a house and a house is bigger than a brick toilet.13 August 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.241.66.47 ( talk) 10:20, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
cities attract business people. How do cities provides the right business environment? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.13.249.37 ( talk) 09:21, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
This section is incredibly bad. I don't have time to fix it now, but maybe I can get to it later. The statement that there is insufficient evidence to understand the birth of cities is nonsense - there are LOTS of archaeological data. Jane Jacob's ideas that cities preceded agriculture are completely erroneous - there are hundreds of well-published excavations from all over the world that show this is not at all the case. The section on "why do cities form" is a speculative fringe view, unsupported by data (and there are LOTS of data). Michael E. Smith ( talk) 16:59, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
The article on “ city ” gives technical definitions for the US and Canada, but for Australia gives the common understanding of the term. Is this because the US and Canada only use the word “ city ” in a technical/political sense, much as “ state ” is only used in a technical/political sense ? In other words, would someone not talk about an urban settlement in Pennsylvania as a city simply because it needs to receive the charter, and would peope not refer to Hempstead (with 750 000 people) as a city simply because of its political status ? Or is the article simply inconsistent in the way it talks about these matters ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cassowary ( talk • contribs) 24 June 2008
As a casual passerby, I find it a bit weird that the article states that there is debate about wheter or not cities have become "obsolete" by the arrival of the internet. I know that it's a referenced statement so I won't argue that it's a POV that shouldn't be mentioned, but I would argue that it's such a minority opinion that it doesn't belong in the intro.
I am skeptical of the decision to have the obsolescence of the city as a debate in the lead. Certainly it is a major debate about cities, but I am skeptical that it is so much more important than any other debate about cities as to be worth mentioning in the lead - indeed, the debate seems to me several years old, given the recent change such that over 50% of the world population lives in cities, an equally major debate to my mind has been on the new centrality of cities.
Certainly the "are cities obsolete" theories are important, but I do not think they're lead-worthy. Phil Sandifer ( talk) 00:11, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
Someone please verify why Tel Aviv was part of that list. What are its qualifications that make it fit for the sub-article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.219.190.20 ( talk) 21:33, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
Does anyone object to me setting up automatic archiving for this page using MiszaBot? Unless otherwise agreed, I would set it to archive threads that have been inactive for 30 days and keep the last ten threads.-- Oneiros ( talk) 21:23, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
I took out the following sentance because i am quite sure that this is not true, because several cities, for example in China had populations of about 1 million.
But if i am wrong correct me...
"It is estimated that ancient Rome had a population of around 1 million people by the end of the last century BCE, which is widely considered the only city to reach that number until the Industrial Revolution. "
NEEDS VERIFICATION
This statement is definitely wrong, in ancient China, lots of cities had population over 500,000.And several cities like Chang'an in Tang Dynasty, had population over 1M when at its peak of development. Do not always stay in your own world while thinking about the history of the whole world!!! -- unsigned comments
To show how different cities can be, the article needs a picture of a city in the Third World. I'm thinking of a city in sub-Saharan Africa with 1-5 million inhabitants. Anyone know of a good picture? -- Aqwis ( talk – contributions) 10:04, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bf/Ibadan_street_scene.jpg ^^ This picture seems usable for that. 85.101.59.39 ( talk) 17:21, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Some added the section on Jane Jacobs' faulty notion that cities may have preceeded agriculture. This is an erroneous position, and the fact that authors of this entry want to promote false information does not make me inclined to edit or add to this entry. I have blogged about this (see the ref). [1]
If you want scholarly citations, open up any textbook on world prehistory.
Michael E. Smith ( talk) 20:31, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
No, I think that some people WANT to promote false information. I had made some minor edits to bring the article in line with current scientific knowledge. But someone discarded my edits and returned to the version with the erroneous interpretations of Jane Jacobs.
Jane Jacobs has something of a cult following, and many planners think that anything she wrote must be good and true. I have blogged about this (see the link above), and some comments on my blog entry were really outraged that I would claim that agriculture preceded cities. Well, excuse me for promoting a model that is universally accepted by archaeologists, and supported by thousands of radiocarbon dates from hundreds of excavations. If the contrary-to-fact opinions of Jane Jacobs are to be favored over well-supported scientific knowledge, then why should I spend my time making corrections? Michael E. Smith ( talk) 22:32, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
I've added the requested cite or source and so removed the tags. But feel free to discuss this further although the reference is very clear and from the Chilean federal Government site.
I think that the header can now be removed too? Chuckarg33 ( talk) 15:45, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
I just came across this article and saw that it says that the German language does not differentiate between city and town (or village). That is incorrect. "Stadt" always refers to a city (large, urban settlement), while "Dorf" refers to a village (small, more agricultural settlement). The confusion might come from the way the word "town" is used in the US. In the US it can refer to a village (nobody uses that term to describe a small US settlement, everybody uses the word "town"). At the same time it is also used to describe a city: The sentence "We went into town" gives absolutely no clue of the size of the settlement, it could refer to a city or a small village. So the problem is not that German does not differentiate between city and town, but rather that in US English, town can both describe a city or a village. 66.90.155.121 ( talk) 23:11, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
It would be interesting to have statistics showing, e.g. how many population centers around the world exceed 10 million, 1 million, 100,000, etc. -- Beland ( talk) 06:41, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
What is the minimum population required for a city to be offically classified as such? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Biglulu ( talk • contribs) 00:34, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
In Europe, City rights (and no, NOT Cathedral) were the defining difference. However, these were usually only granted by exception after the main feudal period (say after 1600-1700). So communities that experienced the bulk of their growth after this date are often underrepresented (in the Netherlands, the classic example is the Hague, better know as "the village in the Dunes", despite having an half million agglomeration, because it never got city rights. Simularly, communities that were significant in medieval times (either due to fortifications, commercial activity or sheer populace), but didn't continue that status after, are overrrepresented. One of the penultimate examples of those are the Hanse cities that didn't continuate their status after early medieval times, like Bruges.
I grew up in a "City" with 3000 inhabitants. But it had a major castle in medieval times.... 88.159.64.117 ( talk)
I see that in the 21st century category, all cities are listed as 'city, country' but the United States entry lists city and state (I listed country earlier this week). I don't see the need to list the state as it links to the relevant article, not a disambiguation. None of the other cities listed have country sub-divisions listed so there seems no need for the entry for Coyote Springs. Zarcadia ( talk) 20:21, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
The article mentions a higher mortality rate for cities. I know that Western cities had higher mortality rates, and I'm assuming Asian cities did, too. But that's just an assumption. Does anyone know, and can we add this information to the article. Leadwind ( talk) 00:15, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
In the United Kingdom, city status is not granted by
Royal Charter as stated in this article but is granted by
Letters patent. See e.g.
Ely, which for a long time (Aikin, John (1800),
England delineated (IV ed.), J. Johnson, p. 206) had been thought of as a city anyway.
"No. 46255".
The London Gazette. 4 April 1974. The QUEEN has been pleased by Letters Patent under the 'Great Seal of the Realm, bearing date the 1st day of April 1974, to ordain that the Town of Ely shall have the status of a City.
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1st April 1974. The QUEEN has been pleased by Letters Patent under the Great Seal of the Realm, bearing date the 1st day of April 1974, to ordain that the Town of Ely shall have the status of a City.
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The article starts with "A city is a relatively large and permanent settlement." The section on the United States explains that almost any settlement can be called a city there, even those of very small size. This definition differs from both our definition and what seems normal in the rest of the world. How did it arise? Could the answer be included in the article please? HiLo48 ( talk) 04:54, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Not sure how those last two posts fit under this heading, but back to the definition... I posted this query at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cities and received absolutely no response. Very frustrating. Anyway, I submit that our lead is simply wrong when it comes to the USA, which has, as many defenders of US-centrism repeatedly remind me, a huge proportion of our readership. We really need to amend the lead to point out that "relatively large" does not apply there. (See Soldier, Kansas for evidence of this.) HiLo48 ( talk) 23:49, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
I was very surprised when I read this article that there wasn't a single picture of New York City, while there were two identical pictures of Shanghai. I might be unusually fond of New York, but I think others would agree that there should be at least one picture of it. I didn't go ahead and stick in a picture because I figured if there was this big of a gap, there must be some reason for it. Is there some problem with past pictures, or some other problem that I haven't heard about, or should I just put in a picture? Thanks, Vladmirfish ( talk) 20:31, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
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did Jericho was the first city in the world ? . פארוק ( talk) 16:50, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
Afaik, no, Jericho is only one of the claimholder for /continuously/ occupied cities, not oldest absolute. Don't worry though, the Jericho Tel is interesting enough without it:-) 88.159.64.117 ( talk) 21:53, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
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is this considered the world's first urban culture ? פארוק ( talk) 23:32, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
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This may be a bit subtle, considering the modern misuse of encyclopedias, but other, non-encyclopedic sources might be found for this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.247.25.6 ( talk) 22:58, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
i want to ask should I also add a section on types of cities around the world by geographical area ? , like article on the types of cities around the world in urban geography. פארוק ( talk) 23:47, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
the Chinese city, the Middle Eastern city, the American City,the Yuruba city in Africa, and so on .......
that what i mean. פארוק ( talk) 07:24, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
this is article that i wrote and after than he was deleted. פארוק ( talk) 11:02, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
"The primary subdivisions for local government in the Republic of Ireland are 26 counties..."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_government_in_the_Republic_of_Ireland#County_and_city_councils 29 counties listed there.
81.145.165.212 ( talk) 10:00, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
"Mesopotamia can claim the earliest cities, particularly Eridu, Uruk, and Ur." Certainly wrong. The earliest cities being Jericho, Tell Barak, Catal Hüyük e.a. Mesopotamian lowlands were unfit for permanent settlement due to annual inundations which displaced river beds and left vast stinking, rotting lakes for a few months. Only with neolithic technique could the lowlands be settled (Jemdet Nasr, from 5000 BC onwards).
Nuremberg - Ángel.García 131.188.3.20 ( talk) 09:30, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
In the section "Global cities" Istanbul is used as an example of both a global city and a non-global city. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HivMnd ( talk • contribs) 11:03, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
The section on ancient cities in Sub-Saharan Africa stated: "The oldest sites documented thus far are from around 500 AD including Awdaghust, Kumbi-Saleh the ancient capital of Ghana, and Maranda a center located on a trade rout between Egypt and Gao." This statement seems incorrect, as it does not account for the many urban developments that existed far before 500 AD. I went ahead and added some information about the third century BC urban center of Jenné-Jeno in modern-day Mali, and hopefully others can add more later. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sx1212 ( talk • contribs) 15:50, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
Under "global cities", Istanbul is listed in the first paragraph as an example of a global city, but on the third paragraph as an example of a historical city but not consider as a "global city".
So, what is it?
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I wonder why some cities have less than 100,000 inhabitants... 83.31.59.25 ( talk) 17:11, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
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There is a word missing from this sentence under Internal Structure: In cities such as and also Moscow, this pattern is still clearly visible. KannD86 ( talk) 15:36, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
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Is there a list of all cities of all countries, with a unique code per city (with a population greater than 2,000 or it has an airport with an IATA code)? So we can easily populate lists and that if a city changes its name then we can still keep referencial integrity to it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.201.33.24 ( talk) 18:39, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
Why are we using a picture of Palitana to demonstrate what a city is? Because Palitana is so pilgrimage-dependent, it seems like a strange choice to model the typical city. Mcavoybickford ( talk) 21:44, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
The section on urban ecology includes extensive discussion of the ecological and health detriments of cities without commensurate discussion of the benefits. In particular, the sentence "From one perspective, cities are not ecologically sustainable due to their resource needs" needs contextualization: is this comparing cities to rural areas or central cities to suburbs? What is assumed about global population and consumption in the absence of cities?
The section should mention the large and growing literature showing that compact development in central cities has lower environmental impact than sprawling development, and in particular, has lower carbon footprints in Western cities. [1] [2]
In addition, the discussion of health might mention that in Western countries, health and life expectancy is now higher in central cities than in suburbs and rural areas. [3]
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References
The last sentence of the intro (the last sentence of the 3rd paragraph of the article) makes no sense, unless I am overlooking something. Here is what it says: "Another example of relative age, is in the age of the oldest capital cities of the superpower and emerging superpower, they are the U.S. state capital of Santa Fe, New Mexico, and the Chinese prefecture capital of Xi'an, Shaanxi." Josh Theta ( talk) 02:06, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
I think it probably lost meaning after the rest of the paragraph was restructured. I attempted to correct it, but the edits were reverted. I also tried to correct some incorrect lists, and to back them with sources. But I guess that didn't help. Here are those fixes that I tried, for someone to potentially fix in the future. I can't be the only one to think it would be important to show some regional capital examples, as well as ancient cities in the Western hemisphere.
Other important traits of cities besides population include the capital city status and relative continued occupation of the city. For example, country capitals such as Beijing, London, Mexico City, Moscow, Nairobi, New Delhi, Paris, Rome, Seoul, Tokyo, and Washington, D.C. reflect the identity as national capitals. [capitaldraft 1] Some historic capitals, such as Kyoto in Japan's Kyoto Prefecture, Santa Fe in the US state of New Mexico, and Xi'an in China's Shaanxi province, maintain their reflection of cultural identity as regional capitals. [capitaldraft 2] [capitaldraft 3] [capitaldraft 4] There are former national capitals, like Alexandria and New York City, that continue to be globally recognized cultural and economic hubs. [capitaldraft 5] [capitaldraft 6] Religious holy sites offer another example of capital status within a religion, Vatican City, Varanasi, and Bodhgaya each hold significance. [capitaldraft 7] [capitaldraft 8] The old world cities of Jericho, Damascus, Aleppo, and Athens are among those laying claim to the longest continual inhabitation, [capitaldraft 9] while in the Americas among the oldest new world settlements are Cholula near Puebla, Florés in Petén, Oraibi near Kykotsmovi Village, and Acoma near Albuquerque. [capitaldraft 10]
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- ^ "Ch2". www-personal.umich.edu. Retrieved 2021-05-10.
- ^ Choi, Eunice. "Kyoto: History and Background". Columbia University in the City of New York. Retrieved 2021-07-25.
- ^ Kiprop, Victor (2018-03-13). "The 10 Oldest State Capitals". WorldAtlas. Retrieved 2021-07-19.
- ^ Mookherjee, Sheema (2013-10-25). "China's ancient capital rises again". BBC Travel. Retrieved 2021-07-19.
- ^ Mackie, J. Alan (2020-12-10). "History, Population, Map, & Facts". Encyclopedia Britannica. Retrieved 2021-07-25.
- ^ Lankevich, George (2020-10-23). "New York City - Layout, People, Economy, Culture, & History". Encyclopedia Britannica. Retrieved 2021-07-25.
- ^ {Cite web|title=Ch2|url= https://www.britannica.com/browse/Religious-Places%7Caccess-date=2021-07-25%7Cwebsite=Britannica}}
- ^ Huang, Juliane (2008-08-05). "The 5 Most Sacred Cities For The Spiritual Traveler". Matador Network. Retrieved 2021-07-25.
- ^ "11 oldest continuously inhabited cities in the world". Times of India Travel. 2014-07-08. Retrieved 2021-07-25.
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71.228.115.97 ( talk) 13:35, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
Then there's the City of Groton (Connecticut), which is a small part of the Town of Groton.... 104.153.40.58 ( talk) 01:24, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
I recently swapped out the image of the Eiffel Tower in the lead for one of Times Square, and John Maynard Friedman reverted. Although the Eiffel Tower is certainly a highly recognizable landmark around the world, I don't think it connotes a sense of urbanism as well as Times Square. What do others think? {{u| Sdkb}} talk 20:36, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
A tag was placed into this section, suggesting that a new article be carved out from it. Is there enough material to do so? What's currently here suggests that there's not. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 11:27, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
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