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Now that the parent article Boston, Massachusetts has been moved to Boston, should articles like Culture in Boston, Massachusetts and History of Boston, Massachusetts be moved to names without the "Massachusetts" qualifier? Cheers, Rai• me 16:25, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
The introductory photo montage has been changing daily, or more frequently, and in my opinion is getting steadily worse in terms of visual discord and clutter. Cramming so many images together risks lowering the overall visual appeal. I see this happening with the present version most of all. It is the worst yet because adjacent colors and shapes clash badly. It also helps when all or nearly all of the scenes included clearly are uniquely Bostonian, which they presently are not by any stretch. I believe a peak was reached with the version in place as of November 1, and would like to see us revert to that one and then leave it be with, at most, minor tweaks. What do others think? Hertz1888 ( talk) 22:34, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
Due to lack of objection (or any other reaction), I am changing the lead image, but not to the Nov. 1 version. No going back to that one—it's been yanked for copyright reasons—and no remaining with what we have, as the present version is about to follow suit. Therefore returning to the tried and true, no copyright issue, view of the Esplanade and Back Bay. Thanks, I think, are due Tyork for efforts to create a successful montage; unfortunately, the licensing problems appear to be insurmountable. In case any future changes of the lead image are contemplated, I hope we will see prior discussion, perhaps with an opportunity to vote on several alternatives. Hertz1888 ( talk) 20:31, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Bringing back Esplanade view pending further discussion. The aesthetic issues raised above remain unaddressed. Can File:Boston108.jpg or some close approximation of it be licensed and brought back? I stand by my assertion that nothing since works as well. Hoping others will join the discussion. Hertz1888 ( talk) 17:56, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
I loved the collage image and personally don't care for the Back Bay/Esplanade image at all. The scope of this image is extremely limited and does not represent the "City of Boston" well, IMHO. Other notable American cities, such as New York, Los Angeles, and Chicago have all employed the image collage to represent many different locales within the city -- I think Boston deserves something similar. And, for the record, I think including a photo of Fenway Park in the collage is very appropriate; It is, after all, a Boston landmark. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.97.84.26 ( talk) 18:35, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
i prefer this image over the other one. it encompasses A LOT more of boston than the backbay/pru... ie; fenway, beacon hill. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bostonsox07 ( talk • contribs) 18:09, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
I made this image because most other World Cities have main collage pictures similar to this one, show casing what they are known for. See New York, LA, Chicago, London, Paris… ect. This type of format is standard for cities of this level. I chose Back Bay, Beacon Hills Acorn St, the South End, The Common and Fenway Park because they are all icons of Boston.
I can change the ballpark part to show more of Fenway’s Green monster. I choose that picture because it’s a night shot and matching the night skyline shot on the top. This picture is a lot better than the picture of esplanade because it doesn’t show Boston at all, just John Hancock and the prudential center. I will work to create a picture that everyone enjoys and wants but in the meantime I think the collage picture should stay in order to give continuity. It’s clear that most people prefer the collage over the esplanade, so please stop changing it until we can settle on tweaking the collage. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tyork ( talk • contribs) 18:25, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Until we can agree on an image the collage is the better of the two and actually has a full image of the boston skyline and isn’t in violation… so STOP changing it until we settle on what should be up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bostonsox07 ( talk • contribs) 19:47, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Heres the first one I made.... as suggested I made the skyline bigger, showed green monster... took hertz suggestions and added the old state house, beacon hill, and i added faneuil hall. i also made it lighter than the current collage. suggestions?
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Quite honestly: I don't the fascination with cramming as many images as possible into what will typically be viewed as a 1.5" x 1.5" inch portion of a LCD. The Boston article is well developed and affords plenty of real estate to showcase a well balanced sampling of local scenery through out. Don't blow it all in an overly-busy lead image: just take a picture of some downtown buildings and be done with it. ccwaters ( talk) 18:21, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
I personally feel that most of those cities ( Paris, Tokyo, Berlin, Phoenix, Philadelphia, San Diego, Rome, Mexico City, San Francisco, Mumbai, Pittsburgh, Seoul ... )haven't gotten around to updating their pages to reflect the new trend towards collages as the main pictures in large / leading cities, but if people want a single image instead of the collage (like every small town, or little city) that's fine... I personal feel the collage separates all the small towns from the major cities... Because it shows we have more than a just skyline or a few buildings… it shows that Boston has one of a kind attractions, not just John Hancock, a park and the Prudential center, but quality one of a kind jewels… for example take NYC which has the UN, Brooklyn Bridge, Times Square and the Statue of Liberty in their collage and as their main picture... All those parts of the city make up NYC and just a photograph of the Empire State building wouldn’t do NYC justice just as a photograph of the Esplanade doesn’t do Boston justice but that’s my option. Post some suggestions here. This isn't a vote issue but I am not going to suggest we pursue a trend (collage photograph) that the veterans on this site don't want… ( Tyork ( talk) 22:00, 13 November 2008 (UTC))
So can I, or somebody, change the lead image back to a simple, clean, iconic view of Boston along the Charles?
Unless someone objects here soon, I will make the change myself, as it seems to me that the consensus among everyone but the montage's creator is to have a single image. -- Friejose ( talk) 16:02, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
I think this section has several misleading parts. Especially the first paragraph listing the companies. For instance, EMC Corp, Analog Devices, VistaPrint, and a few of the listed biotech companies do not have a presence in Boston. This section should be edited. Perhaps some items should be moved to the Greater Boston article or to Cambridge, Massachusetts 141.238.109.229 ( talk) 02:01, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Boston is the top life sciences cluster in the country. I want to include this in the Economy section, but there's not a good place to put it without disrupting the flow. Suggestions?-- Loodog ( talk) 15:41, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
I took Harvard out of the list of Boston's firsts, as Harvard is in the city of Cambridge, not Boston. The sentence that had mentioned Harvard specifically said "The city was the site of several firsts", which is a good lead-in but by definition does not include Cambridge. An article about the city of Boston should be about the city of Boston. Information on things like Harvard belongs in the Cambridge, Massachusetts or Greater Boston articles. -- Beirne ( talk) 12:29, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
In common usage, "Boston" means "Boston, Cambridge, Brookline". A sizable fraction of Boston residents don't actually know that Brookline isn't a part of Boston city proper, or even where the boundary is. "Greater Boston" tends to refer to the outlying metro area that reaches out to 128.-- Louiedog ( talk) 18:08, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
I've history merged a revision from Boston/redirects here. There were a couple of software errors probably due to the size of the page's history, so if you notice that I broke something just let me know. Thanks, Jafeluv ( talk) 20:48, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
Amirite? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Evolutionist6 ( talk • contribs) 15:40, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
I removed the following two paragraphs, as they are deceptively out of the scope of the article, which is about the city and not the region:
Greater Boston additionally has a sizable Jewish community, estimated at between 210,000 people, [1] [2] and 261,000 [3] or 5-6% of the Greater Boston metro population, compared with about 2% for the nation as a whole. Contrary to national trends, the number of Jews in Greater Boston has been growing, fueled by the fact that 60% of children in Jewish mixed-faith families are raised Jewish, compared with roughly one in three nationally. [1]
The City of Boston also has one of the largest LGBT populations per capita. It ranks 5th of all major cities in the country (behind San Francisco, and slightly behind Seattle, Atlanta, and Minneapolis respectively), with 12.3% of the city recognizing themselves as gay, lesbian, or bisexual. [4]
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The LGBT figures are ultimately sourced to http://www.law.ucla.edu/williamsinstitute/publications/samesexcouplesandglbpopacs.pdf which does state that 12.3% of the "largest city" in the Boston-Cambridge-Quincy "metropolitan area" are "gay, lesbian or bisexual". It is not clear whether that means the NECTA or the MSA. Either way, Atlanta is not listed on the top table on page 7 of the PDF. It is not that I dispute these figures at all, rather that in a featured article the refs should be less ambiguous than this. I do not think the Jewish figures as they were presented (copied above) belong in the section, as the Demographics section is about the city and not the metro region. If definitive figures for the city itself can be found there is no reason not to include them in the section. Sswonk ( talk) 21:05, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
Boston-Cambridge-Quincy, MA-NH 17,705 8,560 9,145 6.2% 201,344 Boston 4,876 2,755 2,121 12.3% 50,540
Why is the page named Boston, instead of Boston, Massachusetts is there a good reason for this. South Bay ( talk) 04:17, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
To me the the phrase "Bostonians are often considered to have a strong sense of cultural identity, perhaps as a result of its intellectual reputation; much of Boston's culture originates at its universities" is not very encyclopedia like. Especially when you consider that it is the best Wikipedia has to offer and the source [1] doesn't mention cultural identity is not mentioned at all. I request another source. Erikhansson1 ( talk) 22:48, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
I just changed the wording to indicate that the Boston Marathon is the world's oldest annual marathon. This is the BAA's wording. I believe the modern Olympic Marathon is older, but not annual. Dduggan47 ( talk) 12:13, 18 February 2010 (UTC) Does it matter? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.252.68.75 ( talk) 01:37, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
I do a search for "Beantown" and am redirected to Boston. All very well and good, except now that I'm here, I find no mention of Beantown. Why is Boston nicknamed Beantown? Is it coffee beans, or Boston baked beans that gave it that name? In addition, has the name fallen into disfavor, and if so, why could that possibly be? —Preceding unsigned comment added by The Librarian at Terminus ( talk • contribs) 19:46, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
I've gotten this witty joke a few times and I always get a chuckle out of it. It's the view point of how any non-Bostonian would view Boston's actual geography. I was thinking it might be cool to put as a box quote somewhere but I have no idea who wrote it to quote them. Has anyone else seen it? When I google the first line a lot of hits turn up going to various Boston message boards but none of these seem to know the author. It goes:
“ | The geographical center of Boston is in Roxbury. Due north of the center we find the South End. This is not to be confused with South Boston which lies directly east from the South End. North of the South End is East Boston and southwest of East Boston is the North End. -Sig File | ” |
CaribDigita ( talk) 13:47, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
Boston has a quite bad rate of crime. It should be mentioned more prominently in this article. Many other cities features large sections on crime, and some even that are less dangerous than Boston. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.150.140.237 ( talk) 08:01, 21 September 2010 (UTC) How so? I have lived here my enitre life, Boston that is, and the crime rate has gone down significantlly over the past 20 years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.252.68.75 ( talk) 01:40, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress at Talk:Boston (disambiguation) which may be of interest Purple backpack89 04:15, 28 November 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Purplebackpackonthetrail ( talk • contribs)
The image showing colleges has a caption using the term "inner core". This term is not defined or elsewhere used in the article. (And as someone who lives in the area depicted, I have no idea what it means.) Unless this term can be defined and references sited, it should be removed.-- Ericjs ( talk) 06:40, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
In the article, Boston's climate is listed as Köppen Dfa "using the 0 °C (32 °F) isotherm preferred by some climatologists." The Köppen classification generally uses the −3 °C (27 °F) isotherm. The 0 °C (32 °F) isotherm is used unofficially by some US and Australian scientists. In the interest of appealing to a more global scientific consensus rather than a narrower American scientific opinion, I suggest that we eliminate the Dfa tag.
Instead, I propose that we list the climate classification as Cfa (humid subtropical). I understand that there are reservations about applying the term "subtropical" to an area like Boston, however the Cfa classification was originally designed to describe areas with primarily deciduous forests and rare to minimal snow cover during winter months. With rarely more than a few weeks of snow cover, deciduous forests, and temperatures within the bounds of the globally accepted Cfa classification, it seems more logical to label the climate as Cfa. Perhaps a sentence or two could mention the nearby border/influence of the Dfa climate.
Bluerunner 15:59, 22 January 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bluerunner ( talk • contribs)
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I would correct this omission myself, but for some reason, I've been unable to invoke edit mode for this article for the past 48 hrs.
Before that, I had drafted a criticism here, accusing this article of being deficient in its coverage of Boston history. Luckily, before posting it, it dawned on me that this topic might be covered in a separate article, which I then found. Hence, this article's custodians wasted my time--not to mention narrowly escaped incurring a false criticism of your efforts--by failing to include en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Boston in your list of See also references, at bottom. I mean, huh?
Correct this glaring bug pronto. --Jim Luedke Jimlue ( talk) 06:26, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
So, the demographics sections states that the cities black population has decreased but I looked at the census results and according to them it actually increased so I removed that sentenece. Also, the black percentage is wrong, that was only for non-hispanic blacks and not blacks as a whole so I changed that as well. Now, that I've explained that I hope someone doesn't revert it back to the way it was again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.64.104.4 ( talk) 03:26, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
As it stands the article would probably not meet the FA criteria, as many non constructive edits have been performed since the last review five years ago. I'm signalling this with the hope the article can be repaired so no further review will be needed. The most visible problems are:
These are just some of the most obvious. -- ELEKHH T 07:34, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
I dont know if it should even be on this page, but the sentence On April 15, 2013, at approximately 14:50 ET the city suffered two bombings during the Boston Marathon, killing 3 and wounding 183 people. certainly does not belong where it currently is in the history section. The mention in the sports section is less out of place, but even then it seems given unnecessary weight. Maybe a sentence in the crime section instead. nableezy - 04:47, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
Not that I'm Orwell or anything, but one of my personal writing tenets is to remember that every word added dilutes the effect of all the others, so one must ask whether, in sum, a given piece of information actually adds to or detracts from the readers ability to come away with a good understanding of the subject. I'm in a pissy mood so maybe some of these don't deserve to be listed here, but honestly, does the reader really want to learn (or be misinformed by)...
There are also some unsettling statements, including...
Like I said, I'm in a pissy mood. EEng ( talk) 09:12, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
I've moved the contents of Flag of Boston here as IMO that article doesn't merit being stand-alone (seriously, would anyone look up "Flag of Boston" rather than "Boston"?). I can't locate any reference from this article to F.O.B., but if there is one, it should be replaced with an intra-page reference. Chrismorey ( talk) 02:36, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
The section on History lists a peculiar set of colleges and universities, specifically, "Schools such as Boston University, the Harvard Medical School, Northeastern University, Wentworth Institute of Technology, Berklee College of Music and Boston Conservatory." Wentworth is a 3rd rate technical school that is largely a junior college. The Boston Conservatory is a very small school without the reputation of the much better known New England Conservatory of Music, which is also located in Boston. I suspect that people affiliated with these schools included their names in this section. Bostoner ( talk) 23:50, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
The article has the pronunciation /ˈbɔːstən/ listed as an option for the city. I was under the impression that local pronunciation was the only one mentioned for a city and differences in other accents were ignored. The local pronunciation then would only be /ˈbɒstən/. Otherwise why wouldn't also include /ˈbɑstən/ for how Canadians and the Western US say it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Weebro55 ( talk • contribs) 19:24, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Boston's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
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I've already presented my reasoning here - Talk:Miami#Request to undo full protection of the redirect at Miami, Florida-, and to a much lesser extent, here - Talk:San Diego#Request to remove full protection of the redirect at San Diego, California. I shouldn't need an administrator's permission just so I can add a redirect template or modify a category, and I shouldn't need to ask the admin to do it either. Dustin (talk) 05:43, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
I believe that Sports should become a subsection of Culture. JC · Talk · Contributions 09:17, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
I found:
This is about immigrants from Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania WhisperToMe ( talk) 08:44, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
Demographics for 2010:
CaribDigita ( talk) 21:26, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
Many of the numbers quoted seem to be from the numbeo.com website, and are based on the opinions of 16 visitors to their website who answered some multiple choice questions about how clean they think Boston is. There is no scientific basis. I would recommend removing the paragraph of "data". Ebony Jackson ( talk) 08:53, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
I have noticed a pattern of deliberate double vandalism from two separate accounts (both created recently and used only for vandalism). The more recent vandalism gets quickly reverted by Cluebot or manually, but the earlier vandalism persists unless it is also manually reverted. This pattern has been used on other Wikipedia articles, with similar results. New accounts include at least User:Brianbarnaby1, User:Name changerman 46, User:Changer10921, User:Down200, and User:Wikitroll51198. Only the last account has been blocked as of this writing. I want to alert other editors to this trick, so that they can look more carefully when reverting, and also check for further unnoticed vandalism. WP:PROTECT may be needed, and I also wonder if there is any other mechanism to watch for this trick at a broader level, or to alert other editors. Reify-tech ( talk) 17:43, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
What is missing from the recently created city timeline article? Please add relevant content. Contributions welcome. Thank you. -- M2545 ( talk) 15:39, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
How can this be listed as one of the biggest contributions to human civilization along with academics? Boston sports culture only affects Boston. 9 championships in the last 16 years doesn't make it the most impactful sports scene over NYC, Chicago, Philly, LA, etc. Los Angeles has 8 championships in 16 years. What happens if it ties Boston this year if the Rams/Clippers/Dodgers or Kings win? It's pretty stupid. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.170.198.130 ( talk) 17:26, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
Heard this interesting tidbit. I heard someone say because of municipal annexation, Boston wound up with the irregularity where it has the same street name 5 times and they don't necc. connect at all... I found them. Washington St. is the name.
True, but the one in Jamaica Plain is technically a continuation of the one that begins in Downtown (in that the numbers continue on the street after Forest Hills) 209.6.159.185 ( talk) 15:46, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
Boston has to be the most flagrant example of image overload I have ever seen on a featured article. How it was allowed to fall apart so spectacularly, and how it's still granted featured status, is puzzling to say the least. - HappyWaldo ( talk) 03:45, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
When did the Irish become either the largest ethnic group or the majority of Boston's population? I would like to know and may be included in the study of Irish culture in Boston. Either this happened between 1850 and 1880, the peak of Irish immigration to the USA and a large proportion of Irish immigrants settled in Boston, except New York City has more Irish by numbers. The South Shore (Massachusetts) region about 25 miles south of Boston now has the US' highest percentage of ethnic Irish descent and the highest percentage of Irish in any town in the South Shore has to be 60 percent. 2605:E000:FDCA:4200:8CE3:33F8:10A3:5BB8 ( talk) 23:18, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
What is this building? Thanks. I looked the Boston Museum disambiguation page but the results didn't easily resolve the issue. Thanks. OrganicEarth ( talk) 21:48, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
Can someone please replace the title montage image? I'm sure there are better choices. Castncoot ( talk) 18:34, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
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Can someone work on the currently lead? (quote) The city is the economic and cultural anchor of a substantially larger metropolitan area called Greater Boston, home to 4.7 million people and the tenth-largest metropolitan statistical area in the country.[5] Greater Boston as a commuting region is home to 8.1 million people, making it the sixth-largest combined statistical area in the United States.[11] (end quote)
Is that a difference between a "metropolitan statistical area" and a "combined statistical area"? CaribDigita ( talk) 00:45, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
How are the Irish the largest Ethnicity when it says African Americans make up 25% of the population? That should be fixed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Semioplex ( talk • contribs) 23:28, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
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The intro scope notes at top say, "For the [sic] town, see Bolton, Massachusetts". That literally means "For the town of Boston, see Bolton". "Bolton" is a different English word than "Boston". Illogical, meaningless, obstructive, and a non sequitur. It smacks of hacking by someone trying to promote Bolton, Mass. by subversively naming it in an article about a different entity far more well known and merely spelled similarly to it. (1960s musical group The Beau Brummels were said to have selected their name because their LPs would be filed immediately after The Beatles'.) Delete it. Jimlue ( talk) 21:33, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
The red map of Boston is merely a schematic of the overall geometric shape of the city, with none of the many parts of Boston identified or delineated. (Unless topic "Sections of Boston" is treated in a separate Wiki article, in which case x-ref. to it.) Add a political map.
For that matter, offhand I don't see an integral list of Boston's named localities. The closest effort seems to be a table of neighborhoods, but those are neighborhoods. Uninhabited localities (see next comment) are excluded; to boot, it is filed in per-capita-income order. Name Boston's localities, in alpha order by same. Again, maybe shunting to a separate article would be good. Jimlue ( talk) 21:33, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
The red map shows Boston includes Deer Island. (I walk out there all the time, and until I saw the map just now, I assumed Deer Is. was in Winthrop--thru which you must go to get to Deer Is. I was stunned. So thanks for educating me.)
But a search (Safari for Mac) of "deer" in the text turns up nothing. Somewhere in the article, integrate mention of Deer Island as part of Boston. For that matter, the label-less red map seems to show that only PART of Deer Island is in Boston. Is that true? These things have got to be covered.
Still, we aver: A splendid article.
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Boston's status as the most populous city in the New England region of the northeastern United States is more significant than its status as the 22nd-most populous city in the U.S.—I would only consider it being in the top 5 most populous cities in the country to be significant, and this city doesn't even break the top 10 or top 20. I'm going to change the content in the article's lead, even though I would guess it is likely that I will be reverted. First past the post ( talk) 14:57, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
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Let's try to improve access to Boston weather/climate info. Averages are always the best place to start, and all-time record extremes are entertaining -- but the in-between understanding of typical historic statistical variations is quite important and also hard to find.
This website has a very useful "Days per month on average in Boston when the minimum temperature drops to 10, 20, or 32 °F or below" table. That kind of info would be helpful in some WP article. But the general Boston article is already rather overgrown -- can we have a Boston-area weather/climate article with more details?- 73.61.15.24 ( talk) 14:59, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
The Lead Section: The lead section here is fantastic. It is full of detail explaining some of the history of Boston, the universities in the city, etc.. I think the lead section reports most of the important information without explaining them in too much detail.
Structure: I feel as if the sections are organized perfectly and broken down into different sub sections which help with the organization.
Balance Honestly this article covers almost everything you need to know about Boston including demographics, economy and sports just to name a few. After reading through this I did not find that anything that was written was off topic at all.
Neutral The article is very neutral in tone and does not show any signs of bias. The author wanted to put every aspect of Boston on display to the readers. I was not able to find any words or phrases that don't seem neutral in this article. There are no examples of the article making claims on behalf of unnamed groups or people.
Reliable sources This is a very long article and they used just shy of 300 sources which is incredible. I was not able to find any unsourced statements in this article. There are 297 sources being used in this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dfranzosa5103 ( talk • contribs) 17:59, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
I replaced the image File:Boston Winter Snowfall Counts Distribution.png in the Climate section with an official NOAA image of snowfall counts in Boston (copyright-free because NOAA is an official agency of the US government). This is because the data was synthesized from several sources, namely a website showing yearly snowfall data, without the average and standard deviation listed on the site. Additionally, it does not graph the actual snowfall counts in the time period it spans, but instead graphs it as a bell curve assuming that snowfall in Boston is normally distributed with mean 43.4 inches and standard deviation 22 inches. The normal distribution is not an appropriate model for snowfall, and even then, fitting a distribution to the empirical amounts of snowfall is not very useful. In addition, an article on a city should not assume a background in probability theory. Esquivalience ( talk) 04:10, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
Categories are supposed to be defining characteristics of their subject, and I don't see how a global city like Boston or London or Paris can meet that definition. The term makes sense as an analogy to company town or mining town, where a single industry dominates. There's a discussion to delete the category at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 November 9#University towns. Maybe a rename or redefinition can save the concept. Please comment over there. -- Dennis Bratland ( talk) 22:15, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
I made a variety of improvements to punctuation and, in particular, to the layout which was rather scattered and messy. I have a series of comments.
1. "Despite cost-of-living issues, Boston ranks high on livability ratings, ranking 36th worldwide in quality of living in 2011 in a survey of 221 major cities".
The sample is ridiculous. The world alone has more than 200 countries. That information is pointless and meaningless. It should not even be in this article.
2. The cityscape images are way too big and they should be at the bottom in a gallery section.
3a. Two thirds of the section on "culture" are dedicated to music which should have its own section.
3b. "Symphony Hall (located west of Back Bay) is home to the Boston Symphony Orchestra and the related Boston Youth Symphony Orchestra, which is the largest youth orchestra in the nation, and to the Boston Pops Orchestra."
This sentence should be rewritten.
4. "On April 15, 2013, two explosions killed three people and injured hundreds at the marathon."
This sentence is unnecessary.
5. "Films have been made in Boston since as early as 1903, and it continues to be both a popular setting and a popular site for location shooting".
A few famous movies should be listed.
6. " In 2016, there are 1,461 bikes and 158 docking stations across the city".
This is old information in the present tense and it should be updated accordingly.
ICE77 ( talk) 07:52, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
These tables in the Demographics section are pretty silly - they assume the reader has zero arithmetic skills. I would drop them. 2602:306:CFEA:170:B414:10A2:8201:4E9A ( talk) 18:01, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
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Where was the Boston Stock Exchange? What is Boston? Correct! John Carpenter Hull was first Securities Director of Massachusetts, where was his office? hmmm What is the statehouse in Boston? Correct again! What is a large, bulbous, infragrant flower that only blooms for a week?
Everything to do to with Boston ("this has almost nothing to do with Boston"). Can you be overruled? Theonomad ( talk) 21:07, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
If someone knows IPA or American Phonetics, it would be great if they were included on the Tremont Street article, thanks. -- Prisencolin ( talk) 05:13, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
Magnolia677 now says John C Hull, Speaker of the House Massachusetts, Securities Director of Massachusetts, based in Boston, presided over the Boston Stock Exchange for six years " has little relevance to Boston". Arguably the most important event of the last century - the crash of 1929. The current copy: "Boston went into decline by the early to mid-20th century, as factories became old and obsolete and businesses ..." is weak and factually incorrect. Leaving out WWI, the Spanish Flu, WWII, the Depression etc. leaves a giant hole in the copy. Now, if its Wikipedia's goal to mislead people and write for third grade comprehension tell me now. If not, there's better ways to handle differences in copy from deletion. Theonomad ( talk) 00:56, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
Was a great read..but WP:Sandwich made many parts allmost impossible to read on a tablet or cell.-- Moxy 🍁 00:58, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
Editors: Leave the flabby and fictitious "Boston went into decline by the early to mid-20th century, as factories became old and obsolete and businesses ..." in there or fill the 50 year void with factual content? Let me know Theonomad ( talk) 14:51, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
The benefit to historians is the history in question has already happened. The usual focus of history concerns people and events not wishy-washy central state dreamtimes. Only trying to improve the page. At present, it's litter box quality. Theonomad ( talk) 16:58, 12 November 2020 (UTC)PS: My disagreement Magnolia677 in on History of Boston page.
Grk1011 Anybody protecting this full litter box cannot have an appreciation for truth and goodness. Theonomad ( talk) 20:05, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
Dear, dear Magnolia677, hear you have some concerns that to be addressed. Lets talk it now. All those edits were found on Wikipedia. Theonomad ( talk) 19:13, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
20th century
Boston went into decline by the early to mid-20th century, as factories became old and obsolete and businesses moved out of the region for cheaper labor elsewhere.[73] Boston responded by initiating various urban renewal projects, under the direction of the Boston Redevelopment Authority (BRA) established in 1957. In 1958, BRA initiated a project to improve the historic West End neighborhood. Extensive demolition was met with strong public opposition, and thousands of families were displaced.[74]
The BRA continued implementing eminent domain projects, including the clearance of the vibrant Scollay Square area for construction of the modernist style Government Center. In 1965, the Columbia Point Health Center opened in the Dorchester neighborhood, the first Community Health Center in the United States. It mostly served the massive Columbia Point public housing complex adjoining it, which was built in 1953. The health center is still in operation and was rededicated in 1990 as the Geiger-Gibson Community Health Center.[75] The Columbia Point complex itself was redeveloped and revitalized from 1984 to 1990 into a mixed-income residential development called Harbor Point Apartments.[76]
By the 1970s, the city's economy had begun to recover after 30 years of economic downturn. A large number of high-rises were constructed in the Financial District and in Boston's Back Bay during this period.[77] This boom continued into the mid-1980s and resumed after a few pauses. Hospitals such as Massachusetts General Hospital, Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center, and Brigham and Women's Hospital lead the nation in medical innovation and patient care. Schools such as the Boston Architectural College, Boston College, Boston University, the Harvard Medical School, Tufts University School of Medicine, Northeastern University, Massachusetts College of Art and Design, Wentworth Institute of Technology, Berklee College of Music, the Boston Conservatory, and many others attract students to the area. Nevertheless, the city experienced conflict starting in 1974 over desegregation busing, which resulted in unrest and violence around public schools throughout the mid-1970s.[78] Theonomad ( talk) 20:49, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
@ Magnolia677: you said: "20th century: Not supported by source cited, which does not even mention Boston once " In the edit questioned, I mentioned Boston 8 times. I mentioned Massachusetts 5 times. Seriously - whats your problem? I'm here to help. Theonomad ( talk) 22:08, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
Good Morning Wham2001 ( talk, Grk1011 ( talk), FDW777 ( talk), and [User_talk:Magicpiano|♪piano]], I wanted to get your take on the Point Judith Rhode Island for example. I want to learn. I was told by editors to find new copy for various articles; then, told everything must be sourced. Please tell me, which is it? Below is current Point Judith Rhode Island on Wikipedia:
"Point Judith was named in the seventeenth century after Judith Thatcher who was a passenger on a small vessel with her father when it ran aground on the point and was almost wrecked. Allegedly, Judith rendered great service and as a result the vessel was saved. In remembrance of this the crew called the point after her name. [1] According to Edmund Quincy's 1874 biography of his father Josiah Quincy, Point Judith was named after Judith Hull by her husband John Hull. [2]
For discussion: This is a bad reference? [3] It leads nowhere. Of course, Josiah Quincy is right, he's the family of John and Judith Quincy Hull. Supporting references : [4], [5] [6] How would one rectify that situation?
How about the 20th century Boston? Much appreciated, Theonomad ( talk) 15:51, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
Magnolia677, I have been there. The sound is pure. You are being a pest. There are enough glaring deficiencies on this page for you get more than your fair share of knocking sandcastles down. I noted one. Anyone can destroy. You're a "Nelson" from the "The Simpsons" type.
History and architecture - Wikipedia On June 12, 1899, ground was broken and construction began on Symphony Hall after the Orchestra's original home (the Old Boston Music Hall) was threatened by road-building and subway construction. The building was completed 17 months later at a cost of $771,000.[4] The hall was inaugurated on October 15, 1900, Architects McKim, Mead and White engaged Wallace Clement Sabine, a young assistant professor of physics at Harvard University, as their acoustical consultant, and Symphony Hall became one of the first auditoria designed in accordance with scientifically derived acoustical principles. Admired for its lively acoustics from the time of its opening, the hall is often cited as one of the best sounding classical concert venues in the world.[5] Theonomad ( talk) 17:37, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
The Lead Section: Yes, the lead section is very well written. It includes most everything that I would want to know about Boston without having to completely dive into the article itself.
Structure: I like the history section and it obviously makes sense for this to be chronological. I think the sports section could probably be a bit bigger. Sports are a huge passion for Boston and the surrounding area and could be drilled down into a time period or different sections.
Balance: This Wikipedia article is very well-written. As one of the oldest and biggest cities in the US, Boston obviously has a lot of information to share. The article itself compares similarly to that of "New York City" and "Miami".
Neutral: The article is neutral in tone for the most part. The phrase "one of the best" comes up when describing the Boston Marathon and could be easily replaced with "one of the most famous" or "well-known"
Reliable sources: There are approximately 300 (!) sources used for this article. Most claims are in fact sourced. one thing I would be wary of is the fact that 2 Boston teams are currently competing in postseason play. This could make this page a target for fan-related memes and viral edits following a loss. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Coryadelson ( talk • contribs) 13:29, 3 May 2018 and 13:33, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
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At the turn of the century, Boston saw its acoustically superior Symphony Hall which houses the Boston Symphony Orchestra, and which continues to make the hall its home. In 1901, Boston Red Sox were founded, though Red Sox fans would have to wait until seventeen years later, at the height of the "Spanish Flu" until they won their first World Series in 1918.
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Many architecturally significant buildings were built during these early years of the 20th century: Horticultural Hall built on Massachusetts Avenue, the Tennis and Racquet Club, Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum, Fenway Studios, Jordan Hall as well as the Boston Opera Company. The Longfellow Bridge was built in 1906 and made famous by Robert McCloskey in Make Way for Ducklings for its iconic "salt and pepper" feature.
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With the "Roaring Twenties" in full swing, Logan International Airport opened on September 8, 1923, and was used mainly by the Massachusetts Air National Guard and the United States Army Air Corps. It was then called Jeffery Field, WBZ (AM) radio began broadcasting in Boston just in time for the Boston Bruins hockey team founding in 1924. The Bruins first game at the Boston Garden was in November, 1928.
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Stock prices rose 39% in 1928. To stop speculation, the Fed raised the discount rate. The Fed also sold securities to banks as part of its open market operations. "The Great Depression began in August 1929, when the economic expansion on of the Roaring Twenties came to an end. A series of financial crises punctuated the contraction. These crises included a stock market crash in 1929" and a panic in Boston. Governor of Massachusetts Frank G. Allen appointed John C. Hull the first Securities Director of Massachusetts in late 1929. [7] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theonomad ( talk • contribs) 14:22, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
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Now that the parent article Boston, Massachusetts has been moved to Boston, should articles like Culture in Boston, Massachusetts and History of Boston, Massachusetts be moved to names without the "Massachusetts" qualifier? Cheers, Rai• me 16:25, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
The introductory photo montage has been changing daily, or more frequently, and in my opinion is getting steadily worse in terms of visual discord and clutter. Cramming so many images together risks lowering the overall visual appeal. I see this happening with the present version most of all. It is the worst yet because adjacent colors and shapes clash badly. It also helps when all or nearly all of the scenes included clearly are uniquely Bostonian, which they presently are not by any stretch. I believe a peak was reached with the version in place as of November 1, and would like to see us revert to that one and then leave it be with, at most, minor tweaks. What do others think? Hertz1888 ( talk) 22:34, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
Due to lack of objection (or any other reaction), I am changing the lead image, but not to the Nov. 1 version. No going back to that one—it's been yanked for copyright reasons—and no remaining with what we have, as the present version is about to follow suit. Therefore returning to the tried and true, no copyright issue, view of the Esplanade and Back Bay. Thanks, I think, are due Tyork for efforts to create a successful montage; unfortunately, the licensing problems appear to be insurmountable. In case any future changes of the lead image are contemplated, I hope we will see prior discussion, perhaps with an opportunity to vote on several alternatives. Hertz1888 ( talk) 20:31, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Bringing back Esplanade view pending further discussion. The aesthetic issues raised above remain unaddressed. Can File:Boston108.jpg or some close approximation of it be licensed and brought back? I stand by my assertion that nothing since works as well. Hoping others will join the discussion. Hertz1888 ( talk) 17:56, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
I loved the collage image and personally don't care for the Back Bay/Esplanade image at all. The scope of this image is extremely limited and does not represent the "City of Boston" well, IMHO. Other notable American cities, such as New York, Los Angeles, and Chicago have all employed the image collage to represent many different locales within the city -- I think Boston deserves something similar. And, for the record, I think including a photo of Fenway Park in the collage is very appropriate; It is, after all, a Boston landmark. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.97.84.26 ( talk) 18:35, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
i prefer this image over the other one. it encompasses A LOT more of boston than the backbay/pru... ie; fenway, beacon hill. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bostonsox07 ( talk • contribs) 18:09, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
I made this image because most other World Cities have main collage pictures similar to this one, show casing what they are known for. See New York, LA, Chicago, London, Paris… ect. This type of format is standard for cities of this level. I chose Back Bay, Beacon Hills Acorn St, the South End, The Common and Fenway Park because they are all icons of Boston.
I can change the ballpark part to show more of Fenway’s Green monster. I choose that picture because it’s a night shot and matching the night skyline shot on the top. This picture is a lot better than the picture of esplanade because it doesn’t show Boston at all, just John Hancock and the prudential center. I will work to create a picture that everyone enjoys and wants but in the meantime I think the collage picture should stay in order to give continuity. It’s clear that most people prefer the collage over the esplanade, so please stop changing it until we can settle on tweaking the collage. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tyork ( talk • contribs) 18:25, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Until we can agree on an image the collage is the better of the two and actually has a full image of the boston skyline and isn’t in violation… so STOP changing it until we settle on what should be up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bostonsox07 ( talk • contribs) 19:47, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Heres the first one I made.... as suggested I made the skyline bigger, showed green monster... took hertz suggestions and added the old state house, beacon hill, and i added faneuil hall. i also made it lighter than the current collage. suggestions?
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Quite honestly: I don't the fascination with cramming as many images as possible into what will typically be viewed as a 1.5" x 1.5" inch portion of a LCD. The Boston article is well developed and affords plenty of real estate to showcase a well balanced sampling of local scenery through out. Don't blow it all in an overly-busy lead image: just take a picture of some downtown buildings and be done with it. ccwaters ( talk) 18:21, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
I personally feel that most of those cities ( Paris, Tokyo, Berlin, Phoenix, Philadelphia, San Diego, Rome, Mexico City, San Francisco, Mumbai, Pittsburgh, Seoul ... )haven't gotten around to updating their pages to reflect the new trend towards collages as the main pictures in large / leading cities, but if people want a single image instead of the collage (like every small town, or little city) that's fine... I personal feel the collage separates all the small towns from the major cities... Because it shows we have more than a just skyline or a few buildings… it shows that Boston has one of a kind attractions, not just John Hancock, a park and the Prudential center, but quality one of a kind jewels… for example take NYC which has the UN, Brooklyn Bridge, Times Square and the Statue of Liberty in their collage and as their main picture... All those parts of the city make up NYC and just a photograph of the Empire State building wouldn’t do NYC justice just as a photograph of the Esplanade doesn’t do Boston justice but that’s my option. Post some suggestions here. This isn't a vote issue but I am not going to suggest we pursue a trend (collage photograph) that the veterans on this site don't want… ( Tyork ( talk) 22:00, 13 November 2008 (UTC))
So can I, or somebody, change the lead image back to a simple, clean, iconic view of Boston along the Charles?
Unless someone objects here soon, I will make the change myself, as it seems to me that the consensus among everyone but the montage's creator is to have a single image. -- Friejose ( talk) 16:02, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
I think this section has several misleading parts. Especially the first paragraph listing the companies. For instance, EMC Corp, Analog Devices, VistaPrint, and a few of the listed biotech companies do not have a presence in Boston. This section should be edited. Perhaps some items should be moved to the Greater Boston article or to Cambridge, Massachusetts 141.238.109.229 ( talk) 02:01, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Boston is the top life sciences cluster in the country. I want to include this in the Economy section, but there's not a good place to put it without disrupting the flow. Suggestions?-- Loodog ( talk) 15:41, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
I took Harvard out of the list of Boston's firsts, as Harvard is in the city of Cambridge, not Boston. The sentence that had mentioned Harvard specifically said "The city was the site of several firsts", which is a good lead-in but by definition does not include Cambridge. An article about the city of Boston should be about the city of Boston. Information on things like Harvard belongs in the Cambridge, Massachusetts or Greater Boston articles. -- Beirne ( talk) 12:29, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
In common usage, "Boston" means "Boston, Cambridge, Brookline". A sizable fraction of Boston residents don't actually know that Brookline isn't a part of Boston city proper, or even where the boundary is. "Greater Boston" tends to refer to the outlying metro area that reaches out to 128.-- Louiedog ( talk) 18:08, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
I've history merged a revision from Boston/redirects here. There were a couple of software errors probably due to the size of the page's history, so if you notice that I broke something just let me know. Thanks, Jafeluv ( talk) 20:48, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
Amirite? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Evolutionist6 ( talk • contribs) 15:40, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
I removed the following two paragraphs, as they are deceptively out of the scope of the article, which is about the city and not the region:
Greater Boston additionally has a sizable Jewish community, estimated at between 210,000 people, [1] [2] and 261,000 [3] or 5-6% of the Greater Boston metro population, compared with about 2% for the nation as a whole. Contrary to national trends, the number of Jews in Greater Boston has been growing, fueled by the fact that 60% of children in Jewish mixed-faith families are raised Jewish, compared with roughly one in three nationally. [1]
The City of Boston also has one of the largest LGBT populations per capita. It ranks 5th of all major cities in the country (behind San Francisco, and slightly behind Seattle, Atlanta, and Minneapolis respectively), with 12.3% of the city recognizing themselves as gay, lesbian, or bisexual. [4]
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The LGBT figures are ultimately sourced to http://www.law.ucla.edu/williamsinstitute/publications/samesexcouplesandglbpopacs.pdf which does state that 12.3% of the "largest city" in the Boston-Cambridge-Quincy "metropolitan area" are "gay, lesbian or bisexual". It is not clear whether that means the NECTA or the MSA. Either way, Atlanta is not listed on the top table on page 7 of the PDF. It is not that I dispute these figures at all, rather that in a featured article the refs should be less ambiguous than this. I do not think the Jewish figures as they were presented (copied above) belong in the section, as the Demographics section is about the city and not the metro region. If definitive figures for the city itself can be found there is no reason not to include them in the section. Sswonk ( talk) 21:05, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
Boston-Cambridge-Quincy, MA-NH 17,705 8,560 9,145 6.2% 201,344 Boston 4,876 2,755 2,121 12.3% 50,540
Why is the page named Boston, instead of Boston, Massachusetts is there a good reason for this. South Bay ( talk) 04:17, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
To me the the phrase "Bostonians are often considered to have a strong sense of cultural identity, perhaps as a result of its intellectual reputation; much of Boston's culture originates at its universities" is not very encyclopedia like. Especially when you consider that it is the best Wikipedia has to offer and the source [1] doesn't mention cultural identity is not mentioned at all. I request another source. Erikhansson1 ( talk) 22:48, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
I just changed the wording to indicate that the Boston Marathon is the world's oldest annual marathon. This is the BAA's wording. I believe the modern Olympic Marathon is older, but not annual. Dduggan47 ( talk) 12:13, 18 February 2010 (UTC) Does it matter? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.252.68.75 ( talk) 01:37, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
I do a search for "Beantown" and am redirected to Boston. All very well and good, except now that I'm here, I find no mention of Beantown. Why is Boston nicknamed Beantown? Is it coffee beans, or Boston baked beans that gave it that name? In addition, has the name fallen into disfavor, and if so, why could that possibly be? —Preceding unsigned comment added by The Librarian at Terminus ( talk • contribs) 19:46, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
I've gotten this witty joke a few times and I always get a chuckle out of it. It's the view point of how any non-Bostonian would view Boston's actual geography. I was thinking it might be cool to put as a box quote somewhere but I have no idea who wrote it to quote them. Has anyone else seen it? When I google the first line a lot of hits turn up going to various Boston message boards but none of these seem to know the author. It goes:
“ | The geographical center of Boston is in Roxbury. Due north of the center we find the South End. This is not to be confused with South Boston which lies directly east from the South End. North of the South End is East Boston and southwest of East Boston is the North End. -Sig File | ” |
CaribDigita ( talk) 13:47, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
Boston has a quite bad rate of crime. It should be mentioned more prominently in this article. Many other cities features large sections on crime, and some even that are less dangerous than Boston. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.150.140.237 ( talk) 08:01, 21 September 2010 (UTC) How so? I have lived here my enitre life, Boston that is, and the crime rate has gone down significantlly over the past 20 years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.252.68.75 ( talk) 01:40, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress at Talk:Boston (disambiguation) which may be of interest Purple backpack89 04:15, 28 November 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Purplebackpackonthetrail ( talk • contribs)
The image showing colleges has a caption using the term "inner core". This term is not defined or elsewhere used in the article. (And as someone who lives in the area depicted, I have no idea what it means.) Unless this term can be defined and references sited, it should be removed.-- Ericjs ( talk) 06:40, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
In the article, Boston's climate is listed as Köppen Dfa "using the 0 °C (32 °F) isotherm preferred by some climatologists." The Köppen classification generally uses the −3 °C (27 °F) isotherm. The 0 °C (32 °F) isotherm is used unofficially by some US and Australian scientists. In the interest of appealing to a more global scientific consensus rather than a narrower American scientific opinion, I suggest that we eliminate the Dfa tag.
Instead, I propose that we list the climate classification as Cfa (humid subtropical). I understand that there are reservations about applying the term "subtropical" to an area like Boston, however the Cfa classification was originally designed to describe areas with primarily deciduous forests and rare to minimal snow cover during winter months. With rarely more than a few weeks of snow cover, deciduous forests, and temperatures within the bounds of the globally accepted Cfa classification, it seems more logical to label the climate as Cfa. Perhaps a sentence or two could mention the nearby border/influence of the Dfa climate.
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I would correct this omission myself, but for some reason, I've been unable to invoke edit mode for this article for the past 48 hrs.
Before that, I had drafted a criticism here, accusing this article of being deficient in its coverage of Boston history. Luckily, before posting it, it dawned on me that this topic might be covered in a separate article, which I then found. Hence, this article's custodians wasted my time--not to mention narrowly escaped incurring a false criticism of your efforts--by failing to include en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Boston in your list of See also references, at bottom. I mean, huh?
Correct this glaring bug pronto. --Jim Luedke Jimlue ( talk) 06:26, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
So, the demographics sections states that the cities black population has decreased but I looked at the census results and according to them it actually increased so I removed that sentenece. Also, the black percentage is wrong, that was only for non-hispanic blacks and not blacks as a whole so I changed that as well. Now, that I've explained that I hope someone doesn't revert it back to the way it was again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.64.104.4 ( talk) 03:26, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
As it stands the article would probably not meet the FA criteria, as many non constructive edits have been performed since the last review five years ago. I'm signalling this with the hope the article can be repaired so no further review will be needed. The most visible problems are:
These are just some of the most obvious. -- ELEKHH T 07:34, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
I dont know if it should even be on this page, but the sentence On April 15, 2013, at approximately 14:50 ET the city suffered two bombings during the Boston Marathon, killing 3 and wounding 183 people. certainly does not belong where it currently is in the history section. The mention in the sports section is less out of place, but even then it seems given unnecessary weight. Maybe a sentence in the crime section instead. nableezy - 04:47, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
Not that I'm Orwell or anything, but one of my personal writing tenets is to remember that every word added dilutes the effect of all the others, so one must ask whether, in sum, a given piece of information actually adds to or detracts from the readers ability to come away with a good understanding of the subject. I'm in a pissy mood so maybe some of these don't deserve to be listed here, but honestly, does the reader really want to learn (or be misinformed by)...
There are also some unsettling statements, including...
Like I said, I'm in a pissy mood. EEng ( talk) 09:12, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
I've moved the contents of Flag of Boston here as IMO that article doesn't merit being stand-alone (seriously, would anyone look up "Flag of Boston" rather than "Boston"?). I can't locate any reference from this article to F.O.B., but if there is one, it should be replaced with an intra-page reference. Chrismorey ( talk) 02:36, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
The section on History lists a peculiar set of colleges and universities, specifically, "Schools such as Boston University, the Harvard Medical School, Northeastern University, Wentworth Institute of Technology, Berklee College of Music and Boston Conservatory." Wentworth is a 3rd rate technical school that is largely a junior college. The Boston Conservatory is a very small school without the reputation of the much better known New England Conservatory of Music, which is also located in Boston. I suspect that people affiliated with these schools included their names in this section. Bostoner ( talk) 23:50, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
The article has the pronunciation /ˈbɔːstən/ listed as an option for the city. I was under the impression that local pronunciation was the only one mentioned for a city and differences in other accents were ignored. The local pronunciation then would only be /ˈbɒstən/. Otherwise why wouldn't also include /ˈbɑstən/ for how Canadians and the Western US say it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Weebro55 ( talk • contribs) 19:24, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Boston's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "HKO":
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help)I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 07:08, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
I've already presented my reasoning here - Talk:Miami#Request to undo full protection of the redirect at Miami, Florida-, and to a much lesser extent, here - Talk:San Diego#Request to remove full protection of the redirect at San Diego, California. I shouldn't need an administrator's permission just so I can add a redirect template or modify a category, and I shouldn't need to ask the admin to do it either. Dustin (talk) 05:43, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
I believe that Sports should become a subsection of Culture. JC · Talk · Contributions 09:17, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
I found:
This is about immigrants from Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania WhisperToMe ( talk) 08:44, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
Demographics for 2010:
CaribDigita ( talk) 21:26, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
Many of the numbers quoted seem to be from the numbeo.com website, and are based on the opinions of 16 visitors to their website who answered some multiple choice questions about how clean they think Boston is. There is no scientific basis. I would recommend removing the paragraph of "data". Ebony Jackson ( talk) 08:53, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
I have noticed a pattern of deliberate double vandalism from two separate accounts (both created recently and used only for vandalism). The more recent vandalism gets quickly reverted by Cluebot or manually, but the earlier vandalism persists unless it is also manually reverted. This pattern has been used on other Wikipedia articles, with similar results. New accounts include at least User:Brianbarnaby1, User:Name changerman 46, User:Changer10921, User:Down200, and User:Wikitroll51198. Only the last account has been blocked as of this writing. I want to alert other editors to this trick, so that they can look more carefully when reverting, and also check for further unnoticed vandalism. WP:PROTECT may be needed, and I also wonder if there is any other mechanism to watch for this trick at a broader level, or to alert other editors. Reify-tech ( talk) 17:43, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
What is missing from the recently created city timeline article? Please add relevant content. Contributions welcome. Thank you. -- M2545 ( talk) 15:39, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
How can this be listed as one of the biggest contributions to human civilization along with academics? Boston sports culture only affects Boston. 9 championships in the last 16 years doesn't make it the most impactful sports scene over NYC, Chicago, Philly, LA, etc. Los Angeles has 8 championships in 16 years. What happens if it ties Boston this year if the Rams/Clippers/Dodgers or Kings win? It's pretty stupid. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.170.198.130 ( talk) 17:26, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
Heard this interesting tidbit. I heard someone say because of municipal annexation, Boston wound up with the irregularity where it has the same street name 5 times and they don't necc. connect at all... I found them. Washington St. is the name.
True, but the one in Jamaica Plain is technically a continuation of the one that begins in Downtown (in that the numbers continue on the street after Forest Hills) 209.6.159.185 ( talk) 15:46, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
Boston has to be the most flagrant example of image overload I have ever seen on a featured article. How it was allowed to fall apart so spectacularly, and how it's still granted featured status, is puzzling to say the least. - HappyWaldo ( talk) 03:45, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
When did the Irish become either the largest ethnic group or the majority of Boston's population? I would like to know and may be included in the study of Irish culture in Boston. Either this happened between 1850 and 1880, the peak of Irish immigration to the USA and a large proportion of Irish immigrants settled in Boston, except New York City has more Irish by numbers. The South Shore (Massachusetts) region about 25 miles south of Boston now has the US' highest percentage of ethnic Irish descent and the highest percentage of Irish in any town in the South Shore has to be 60 percent. 2605:E000:FDCA:4200:8CE3:33F8:10A3:5BB8 ( talk) 23:18, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
What is this building? Thanks. I looked the Boston Museum disambiguation page but the results didn't easily resolve the issue. Thanks. OrganicEarth ( talk) 21:48, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
Can someone please replace the title montage image? I'm sure there are better choices. Castncoot ( talk) 18:34, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
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Can someone work on the currently lead? (quote) The city is the economic and cultural anchor of a substantially larger metropolitan area called Greater Boston, home to 4.7 million people and the tenth-largest metropolitan statistical area in the country.[5] Greater Boston as a commuting region is home to 8.1 million people, making it the sixth-largest combined statistical area in the United States.[11] (end quote)
Is that a difference between a "metropolitan statistical area" and a "combined statistical area"? CaribDigita ( talk) 00:45, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
How are the Irish the largest Ethnicity when it says African Americans make up 25% of the population? That should be fixed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Semioplex ( talk • contribs) 23:28, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
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The intro scope notes at top say, "For the [sic] town, see Bolton, Massachusetts". That literally means "For the town of Boston, see Bolton". "Bolton" is a different English word than "Boston". Illogical, meaningless, obstructive, and a non sequitur. It smacks of hacking by someone trying to promote Bolton, Mass. by subversively naming it in an article about a different entity far more well known and merely spelled similarly to it. (1960s musical group The Beau Brummels were said to have selected their name because their LPs would be filed immediately after The Beatles'.) Delete it. Jimlue ( talk) 21:33, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
The red map of Boston is merely a schematic of the overall geometric shape of the city, with none of the many parts of Boston identified or delineated. (Unless topic "Sections of Boston" is treated in a separate Wiki article, in which case x-ref. to it.) Add a political map.
For that matter, offhand I don't see an integral list of Boston's named localities. The closest effort seems to be a table of neighborhoods, but those are neighborhoods. Uninhabited localities (see next comment) are excluded; to boot, it is filed in per-capita-income order. Name Boston's localities, in alpha order by same. Again, maybe shunting to a separate article would be good. Jimlue ( talk) 21:33, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
The red map shows Boston includes Deer Island. (I walk out there all the time, and until I saw the map just now, I assumed Deer Is. was in Winthrop--thru which you must go to get to Deer Is. I was stunned. So thanks for educating me.)
But a search (Safari for Mac) of "deer" in the text turns up nothing. Somewhere in the article, integrate mention of Deer Island as part of Boston. For that matter, the label-less red map seems to show that only PART of Deer Island is in Boston. Is that true? These things have got to be covered.
Still, we aver: A splendid article.
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Boston's status as the most populous city in the New England region of the northeastern United States is more significant than its status as the 22nd-most populous city in the U.S.—I would only consider it being in the top 5 most populous cities in the country to be significant, and this city doesn't even break the top 10 or top 20. I'm going to change the content in the article's lead, even though I would guess it is likely that I will be reverted. First past the post ( talk) 14:57, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
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Let's try to improve access to Boston weather/climate info. Averages are always the best place to start, and all-time record extremes are entertaining -- but the in-between understanding of typical historic statistical variations is quite important and also hard to find.
This website has a very useful "Days per month on average in Boston when the minimum temperature drops to 10, 20, or 32 °F or below" table. That kind of info would be helpful in some WP article. But the general Boston article is already rather overgrown -- can we have a Boston-area weather/climate article with more details?- 73.61.15.24 ( talk) 14:59, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
The Lead Section: The lead section here is fantastic. It is full of detail explaining some of the history of Boston, the universities in the city, etc.. I think the lead section reports most of the important information without explaining them in too much detail.
Structure: I feel as if the sections are organized perfectly and broken down into different sub sections which help with the organization.
Balance Honestly this article covers almost everything you need to know about Boston including demographics, economy and sports just to name a few. After reading through this I did not find that anything that was written was off topic at all.
Neutral The article is very neutral in tone and does not show any signs of bias. The author wanted to put every aspect of Boston on display to the readers. I was not able to find any words or phrases that don't seem neutral in this article. There are no examples of the article making claims on behalf of unnamed groups or people.
Reliable sources This is a very long article and they used just shy of 300 sources which is incredible. I was not able to find any unsourced statements in this article. There are 297 sources being used in this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dfranzosa5103 ( talk • contribs) 17:59, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
I replaced the image File:Boston Winter Snowfall Counts Distribution.png in the Climate section with an official NOAA image of snowfall counts in Boston (copyright-free because NOAA is an official agency of the US government). This is because the data was synthesized from several sources, namely a website showing yearly snowfall data, without the average and standard deviation listed on the site. Additionally, it does not graph the actual snowfall counts in the time period it spans, but instead graphs it as a bell curve assuming that snowfall in Boston is normally distributed with mean 43.4 inches and standard deviation 22 inches. The normal distribution is not an appropriate model for snowfall, and even then, fitting a distribution to the empirical amounts of snowfall is not very useful. In addition, an article on a city should not assume a background in probability theory. Esquivalience ( talk) 04:10, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
Categories are supposed to be defining characteristics of their subject, and I don't see how a global city like Boston or London or Paris can meet that definition. The term makes sense as an analogy to company town or mining town, where a single industry dominates. There's a discussion to delete the category at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 November 9#University towns. Maybe a rename or redefinition can save the concept. Please comment over there. -- Dennis Bratland ( talk) 22:15, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
I made a variety of improvements to punctuation and, in particular, to the layout which was rather scattered and messy. I have a series of comments.
1. "Despite cost-of-living issues, Boston ranks high on livability ratings, ranking 36th worldwide in quality of living in 2011 in a survey of 221 major cities".
The sample is ridiculous. The world alone has more than 200 countries. That information is pointless and meaningless. It should not even be in this article.
2. The cityscape images are way too big and they should be at the bottom in a gallery section.
3a. Two thirds of the section on "culture" are dedicated to music which should have its own section.
3b. "Symphony Hall (located west of Back Bay) is home to the Boston Symphony Orchestra and the related Boston Youth Symphony Orchestra, which is the largest youth orchestra in the nation, and to the Boston Pops Orchestra."
This sentence should be rewritten.
4. "On April 15, 2013, two explosions killed three people and injured hundreds at the marathon."
This sentence is unnecessary.
5. "Films have been made in Boston since as early as 1903, and it continues to be both a popular setting and a popular site for location shooting".
A few famous movies should be listed.
6. " In 2016, there are 1,461 bikes and 158 docking stations across the city".
This is old information in the present tense and it should be updated accordingly.
ICE77 ( talk) 07:52, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
These tables in the Demographics section are pretty silly - they assume the reader has zero arithmetic skills. I would drop them. 2602:306:CFEA:170:B414:10A2:8201:4E9A ( talk) 18:01, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
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Where was the Boston Stock Exchange? What is Boston? Correct! John Carpenter Hull was first Securities Director of Massachusetts, where was his office? hmmm What is the statehouse in Boston? Correct again! What is a large, bulbous, infragrant flower that only blooms for a week?
Everything to do to with Boston ("this has almost nothing to do with Boston"). Can you be overruled? Theonomad ( talk) 21:07, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
If someone knows IPA or American Phonetics, it would be great if they were included on the Tremont Street article, thanks. -- Prisencolin ( talk) 05:13, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
Magnolia677 now says John C Hull, Speaker of the House Massachusetts, Securities Director of Massachusetts, based in Boston, presided over the Boston Stock Exchange for six years " has little relevance to Boston". Arguably the most important event of the last century - the crash of 1929. The current copy: "Boston went into decline by the early to mid-20th century, as factories became old and obsolete and businesses ..." is weak and factually incorrect. Leaving out WWI, the Spanish Flu, WWII, the Depression etc. leaves a giant hole in the copy. Now, if its Wikipedia's goal to mislead people and write for third grade comprehension tell me now. If not, there's better ways to handle differences in copy from deletion. Theonomad ( talk) 00:56, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
Was a great read..but WP:Sandwich made many parts allmost impossible to read on a tablet or cell.-- Moxy 🍁 00:58, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
Editors: Leave the flabby and fictitious "Boston went into decline by the early to mid-20th century, as factories became old and obsolete and businesses ..." in there or fill the 50 year void with factual content? Let me know Theonomad ( talk) 14:51, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
The benefit to historians is the history in question has already happened. The usual focus of history concerns people and events not wishy-washy central state dreamtimes. Only trying to improve the page. At present, it's litter box quality. Theonomad ( talk) 16:58, 12 November 2020 (UTC)PS: My disagreement Magnolia677 in on History of Boston page.
Grk1011 Anybody protecting this full litter box cannot have an appreciation for truth and goodness. Theonomad ( talk) 20:05, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
Dear, dear Magnolia677, hear you have some concerns that to be addressed. Lets talk it now. All those edits were found on Wikipedia. Theonomad ( talk) 19:13, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
20th century
Boston went into decline by the early to mid-20th century, as factories became old and obsolete and businesses moved out of the region for cheaper labor elsewhere.[73] Boston responded by initiating various urban renewal projects, under the direction of the Boston Redevelopment Authority (BRA) established in 1957. In 1958, BRA initiated a project to improve the historic West End neighborhood. Extensive demolition was met with strong public opposition, and thousands of families were displaced.[74]
The BRA continued implementing eminent domain projects, including the clearance of the vibrant Scollay Square area for construction of the modernist style Government Center. In 1965, the Columbia Point Health Center opened in the Dorchester neighborhood, the first Community Health Center in the United States. It mostly served the massive Columbia Point public housing complex adjoining it, which was built in 1953. The health center is still in operation and was rededicated in 1990 as the Geiger-Gibson Community Health Center.[75] The Columbia Point complex itself was redeveloped and revitalized from 1984 to 1990 into a mixed-income residential development called Harbor Point Apartments.[76]
By the 1970s, the city's economy had begun to recover after 30 years of economic downturn. A large number of high-rises were constructed in the Financial District and in Boston's Back Bay during this period.[77] This boom continued into the mid-1980s and resumed after a few pauses. Hospitals such as Massachusetts General Hospital, Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center, and Brigham and Women's Hospital lead the nation in medical innovation and patient care. Schools such as the Boston Architectural College, Boston College, Boston University, the Harvard Medical School, Tufts University School of Medicine, Northeastern University, Massachusetts College of Art and Design, Wentworth Institute of Technology, Berklee College of Music, the Boston Conservatory, and many others attract students to the area. Nevertheless, the city experienced conflict starting in 1974 over desegregation busing, which resulted in unrest and violence around public schools throughout the mid-1970s.[78] Theonomad ( talk) 20:49, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
@ Magnolia677: you said: "20th century: Not supported by source cited, which does not even mention Boston once " In the edit questioned, I mentioned Boston 8 times. I mentioned Massachusetts 5 times. Seriously - whats your problem? I'm here to help. Theonomad ( talk) 22:08, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
Good Morning Wham2001 ( talk, Grk1011 ( talk), FDW777 ( talk), and [User_talk:Magicpiano|♪piano]], I wanted to get your take on the Point Judith Rhode Island for example. I want to learn. I was told by editors to find new copy for various articles; then, told everything must be sourced. Please tell me, which is it? Below is current Point Judith Rhode Island on Wikipedia:
"Point Judith was named in the seventeenth century after Judith Thatcher who was a passenger on a small vessel with her father when it ran aground on the point and was almost wrecked. Allegedly, Judith rendered great service and as a result the vessel was saved. In remembrance of this the crew called the point after her name. [1] According to Edmund Quincy's 1874 biography of his father Josiah Quincy, Point Judith was named after Judith Hull by her husband John Hull. [2]
For discussion: This is a bad reference? [3] It leads nowhere. Of course, Josiah Quincy is right, he's the family of John and Judith Quincy Hull. Supporting references : [4], [5] [6] How would one rectify that situation?
How about the 20th century Boston? Much appreciated, Theonomad ( talk) 15:51, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
Magnolia677, I have been there. The sound is pure. You are being a pest. There are enough glaring deficiencies on this page for you get more than your fair share of knocking sandcastles down. I noted one. Anyone can destroy. You're a "Nelson" from the "The Simpsons" type.
History and architecture - Wikipedia On June 12, 1899, ground was broken and construction began on Symphony Hall after the Orchestra's original home (the Old Boston Music Hall) was threatened by road-building and subway construction. The building was completed 17 months later at a cost of $771,000.[4] The hall was inaugurated on October 15, 1900, Architects McKim, Mead and White engaged Wallace Clement Sabine, a young assistant professor of physics at Harvard University, as their acoustical consultant, and Symphony Hall became one of the first auditoria designed in accordance with scientifically derived acoustical principles. Admired for its lively acoustics from the time of its opening, the hall is often cited as one of the best sounding classical concert venues in the world.[5] Theonomad ( talk) 17:37, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
The Lead Section: Yes, the lead section is very well written. It includes most everything that I would want to know about Boston without having to completely dive into the article itself.
Structure: I like the history section and it obviously makes sense for this to be chronological. I think the sports section could probably be a bit bigger. Sports are a huge passion for Boston and the surrounding area and could be drilled down into a time period or different sections.
Balance: This Wikipedia article is very well-written. As one of the oldest and biggest cities in the US, Boston obviously has a lot of information to share. The article itself compares similarly to that of "New York City" and "Miami".
Neutral: The article is neutral in tone for the most part. The phrase "one of the best" comes up when describing the Boston Marathon and could be easily replaced with "one of the most famous" or "well-known"
Reliable sources: There are approximately 300 (!) sources used for this article. Most claims are in fact sourced. one thing I would be wary of is the fact that 2 Boston teams are currently competing in postseason play. This could make this page a target for fan-related memes and viral edits following a loss. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Coryadelson ( talk • contribs) 13:29, 3 May 2018 and 13:33, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
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At the turn of the century, Boston saw its acoustically superior Symphony Hall which houses the Boston Symphony Orchestra, and which continues to make the hall its home. In 1901, Boston Red Sox were founded, though Red Sox fans would have to wait until seventeen years later, at the height of the "Spanish Flu" until they won their first World Series in 1918.
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Many architecturally significant buildings were built during these early years of the 20th century: Horticultural Hall built on Massachusetts Avenue, the Tennis and Racquet Club, Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum, Fenway Studios, Jordan Hall as well as the Boston Opera Company. The Longfellow Bridge was built in 1906 and made famous by Robert McCloskey in Make Way for Ducklings for its iconic "salt and pepper" feature.
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With the "Roaring Twenties" in full swing, Logan International Airport opened on September 8, 1923, and was used mainly by the Massachusetts Air National Guard and the United States Army Air Corps. It was then called Jeffery Field, WBZ (AM) radio began broadcasting in Boston just in time for the Boston Bruins hockey team founding in 1924. The Bruins first game at the Boston Garden was in November, 1928.
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Stock prices rose 39% in 1928. To stop speculation, the Fed raised the discount rate. The Fed also sold securities to banks as part of its open market operations. "The Great Depression began in August 1929, when the economic expansion on of the Roaring Twenties came to an end. A series of financial crises punctuated the contraction. These crises included a stock market crash in 1929" and a panic in Boston. Governor of Massachusetts Frank G. Allen appointed John C. Hull the first Securities Director of Massachusetts in late 1929. [7] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theonomad ( talk • contribs) 14:22, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
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