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I find it vaguely offensive that this article states: "Boston most commonly refers to the following city: * Boston, Massachusetts, U.S.". In an American context this may be true, but historically, Boston, Lincolnshire is at least as important as its younger namesake. If I knew how it should be expressed I would give these two towns equal billing on the disambiguation page.
It also puzzles me that "North Boston" and "South Boston" are listed on this page, but that "New Boston" is linked to a separate page. I believe the term "North Boston" also has a specific meaning in Massachusetts, so surely they have similar status. I don't know whether that is an argument for listing the "New Boston" examples here or creating a new page for "North Boston". Maybe it is neither, but it deerves remark. SMeeds 18:42, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
I agree Boston should point to this disambiguation page, and Boston, Lincolnshire should be the first entry. See Newark, which is structured in this way. How many people does it take to reach a concensus on this? TiffaF 07:20, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
I've been around on Wikipedia for a while, but I'm no expert, so I'll put out a question on Wikipedia:Village pump (policy) SMeeds 09:56, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
I just Googled "Boston," on google.ca, and the first reference to Boston, England, didn't come up until the 256th result. Even on google.co.uk, only one of the first 50 results refer to the English city. The Boston, Mass., area has 6.1 million people; the Boston, England, area has less than 60,000. The Boston, Mass., area is home to Harvard and MIT; one of the world's largest concentrations of biotech companies; many important historical sites; the Massachusetts state government; and the Red Sox, Celtics, Bruins and Patriots (sort of). I'm sure Boston, England, is a wonderful place, but I can't imagine that anyone outside of the immediate vicinity is thinking of it when they say "Boston." No one complains that London directs to the city in England, even though London, Ontario, is a lot bigger than Boston, England. -- Mwalcoff 23:43, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
I find it rude that when I type Boston I didn't get either the general search or Boston Massachussetts. I had to go to Massachussetts and click on Boston there. I was redirected to some small town in europe in linconshire. That's not right! There are other Bostons out there. I never heard of the other boston was deeply offended it didn't direct to Boston in the USA. If there are other bostons then it should go to a disambiguation page! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.126.85.55 ( talk) 14:33, 13 December 2006
Actually 64.126.85.55, Boston redirects to Boston, Massachusetts, which I personally find to be a problem, though I understand there has been previous discussion on the matter and it was presumably decided by some Ameri-centric group that this is the way it should be; why anything with a disambig can't point to the disambig I don't understand. Mwalcoff, when I typed "boston" into Google it came up with Boston Borough Council - Home at 11th position - hardly 256th, and not bad at all considering the huge number of multi-nationals based in its daughter city. SMeeds 12:30, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Size or (relative) importance should not dictate where the redirect goes. In my opinion there is enough debate to justify pointing Boston to this disambiguation page, instead of to the supposed most important place with that name. Lenzar 12:06, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
WP policy is pretty clear. The criterion is not size or importance or age, but what the "well known primary meaning" is, "much more used than any other". I think it's pretty clear that in North America, the primary meaning is Boston, Massachusetts, so I checked some non-US sources. On the BBC site, of the first 10 search results for "Boston", 5 were for Mass., 2 were Boston Castle (in Yorks, not Lincs), and 2 were for Lincs. On The Times' site, 6 were for Mass., 2 were for companies (Boston Beer and Credit Suisse First Boston -- both related to Mass.), and 3 were for Lincs. On [site:au Boston] (.au Australian Web sites), 5 were for Mass., and 5 were for names of entities (Boston Marriage, Boston Globe, Boston Marks Group Ltd., Boston Legal -- three related to Mass.); none had anything to do with Lincs. So I think the evidence is quite clear that *even in the UK* (outside Lincs, presumably), Boston's "primary meaning" is Boston, Massachusetts. I haven't checked other non-UK, non-Commonwealth sources, but I'm quite sure that "Boston" in Moscow or Rio de Janeiro or Tokyo or Cairo also refers to Boston, Mass. -- Macrakis 16:56, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
Just a note, I've created an RFD to discuss where Boston should point. No sense in just discussing this on the disambiguation page. -- Bobblehead 18:43, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was do not move, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 23:50, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
Boston (disambiguation) → Boston — The city in Lincolnshire has significant importance, enough to distinguish it from the city in Massachusetts — Reginmund 00:36, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
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Wikipedia's naming conventions.1. The reason London isn't disambiguated is because it is the original city with that name and generally know all around the world to be in England. 2. Just because something is more popular on Google, doesn't mean it should be more popular here. If you searched Nirvana or Franz Ferdinand, the most common results are the bands, although Wikipedia doesn't redirect to the bands. Reginmund 18:13, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
Here are some more that supposedly exist, but don't seem to have entries yet:
And the spanish apparently know of more. -- Belg4mit 04:20, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
Which "Boston" came first does not need to be paraded about on the page. It isn't relevant to the disambiguation process, and it isn't even mentioned in the Boston, Lincolnshire article. Please stop adding it in. — Scouter Sig 20:40, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
The user 84.71.44.94 seems to be back as 131.111.200.200 and is intent on having his own way. Would someone please explain that "firstness" is not a qualification of "most-importantness?" It's a disambiguation page, intended for the most common forms. — Scouter Sig 23:32, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
'Boston, Boston, Boston, Thou has naught to boast on - A grand sluice, a mighty steeple, A proud, conceited, ignorant people: and a coast which souls are lost on!'
'Proud' seems to be the key word here, and I'm proud to see that some of my fellow British Bostonians have been sticking up for the old place. However, despite Boston's historical importance, there's no doubt that Boston, Mass., is the more famous of the two. I've expanded the first sentence, which is now a touch on the long side for a disambiguation page, but which - I hope - now acknowledges both the origin of the name (in Lincolnshire) and its most well-known use (in Massachusetts). I know I'm late to this argument, but what do people think? It seems like a simple, good-faith way of handling the whole thing.
Bedesboy 20:33, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
I don't have the time or inclination to list them all here, or add them, as for now they'd mostly be redlinks; but search here for "Boston" and a bunch of other placenames will come up, including a ridge, some bays, and there are actually three Bostons in Ontario, plus Boston Mills, Ontario. Skookum1 ( talk) 17:16, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved. As there's no contentious debate here I'm going ahead and closing this per WP:SNOW (non-admin closure). DC T• C 19:48, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
Boston (disambiguation) → Boston — Per privious nomination, the town in Lincolnshire gives it's name to the American Boston, so is just as notable if not more notable. I would even go as far to say Boston, Lincolnshire should be the prime topic Crouch, Swale talk to me My contribs 15:24, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
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I find it vaguely offensive that this article states: "Boston most commonly refers to the following city: * Boston, Massachusetts, U.S.". In an American context this may be true, but historically, Boston, Lincolnshire is at least as important as its younger namesake. If I knew how it should be expressed I would give these two towns equal billing on the disambiguation page.
It also puzzles me that "North Boston" and "South Boston" are listed on this page, but that "New Boston" is linked to a separate page. I believe the term "North Boston" also has a specific meaning in Massachusetts, so surely they have similar status. I don't know whether that is an argument for listing the "New Boston" examples here or creating a new page for "North Boston". Maybe it is neither, but it deerves remark. SMeeds 18:42, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
I agree Boston should point to this disambiguation page, and Boston, Lincolnshire should be the first entry. See Newark, which is structured in this way. How many people does it take to reach a concensus on this? TiffaF 07:20, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
I've been around on Wikipedia for a while, but I'm no expert, so I'll put out a question on Wikipedia:Village pump (policy) SMeeds 09:56, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
I just Googled "Boston," on google.ca, and the first reference to Boston, England, didn't come up until the 256th result. Even on google.co.uk, only one of the first 50 results refer to the English city. The Boston, Mass., area has 6.1 million people; the Boston, England, area has less than 60,000. The Boston, Mass., area is home to Harvard and MIT; one of the world's largest concentrations of biotech companies; many important historical sites; the Massachusetts state government; and the Red Sox, Celtics, Bruins and Patriots (sort of). I'm sure Boston, England, is a wonderful place, but I can't imagine that anyone outside of the immediate vicinity is thinking of it when they say "Boston." No one complains that London directs to the city in England, even though London, Ontario, is a lot bigger than Boston, England. -- Mwalcoff 23:43, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
I find it rude that when I type Boston I didn't get either the general search or Boston Massachussetts. I had to go to Massachussetts and click on Boston there. I was redirected to some small town in europe in linconshire. That's not right! There are other Bostons out there. I never heard of the other boston was deeply offended it didn't direct to Boston in the USA. If there are other bostons then it should go to a disambiguation page! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.126.85.55 ( talk) 14:33, 13 December 2006
Actually 64.126.85.55, Boston redirects to Boston, Massachusetts, which I personally find to be a problem, though I understand there has been previous discussion on the matter and it was presumably decided by some Ameri-centric group that this is the way it should be; why anything with a disambig can't point to the disambig I don't understand. Mwalcoff, when I typed "boston" into Google it came up with Boston Borough Council - Home at 11th position - hardly 256th, and not bad at all considering the huge number of multi-nationals based in its daughter city. SMeeds 12:30, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Size or (relative) importance should not dictate where the redirect goes. In my opinion there is enough debate to justify pointing Boston to this disambiguation page, instead of to the supposed most important place with that name. Lenzar 12:06, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
WP policy is pretty clear. The criterion is not size or importance or age, but what the "well known primary meaning" is, "much more used than any other". I think it's pretty clear that in North America, the primary meaning is Boston, Massachusetts, so I checked some non-US sources. On the BBC site, of the first 10 search results for "Boston", 5 were for Mass., 2 were Boston Castle (in Yorks, not Lincs), and 2 were for Lincs. On The Times' site, 6 were for Mass., 2 were for companies (Boston Beer and Credit Suisse First Boston -- both related to Mass.), and 3 were for Lincs. On [site:au Boston] (.au Australian Web sites), 5 were for Mass., and 5 were for names of entities (Boston Marriage, Boston Globe, Boston Marks Group Ltd., Boston Legal -- three related to Mass.); none had anything to do with Lincs. So I think the evidence is quite clear that *even in the UK* (outside Lincs, presumably), Boston's "primary meaning" is Boston, Massachusetts. I haven't checked other non-UK, non-Commonwealth sources, but I'm quite sure that "Boston" in Moscow or Rio de Janeiro or Tokyo or Cairo also refers to Boston, Mass. -- Macrakis 16:56, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
Just a note, I've created an RFD to discuss where Boston should point. No sense in just discussing this on the disambiguation page. -- Bobblehead 18:43, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was do not move, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 23:50, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
Boston (disambiguation) → Boston — The city in Lincolnshire has significant importance, enough to distinguish it from the city in Massachusetts — Reginmund 00:36, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Support'''
or *'''Oppose'''
, then sign your comment with ~~~~
. Since
polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account
Wikipedia's naming conventions.1. The reason London isn't disambiguated is because it is the original city with that name and generally know all around the world to be in England. 2. Just because something is more popular on Google, doesn't mean it should be more popular here. If you searched Nirvana or Franz Ferdinand, the most common results are the bands, although Wikipedia doesn't redirect to the bands. Reginmund 18:13, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
Here are some more that supposedly exist, but don't seem to have entries yet:
And the spanish apparently know of more. -- Belg4mit 04:20, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
Which "Boston" came first does not need to be paraded about on the page. It isn't relevant to the disambiguation process, and it isn't even mentioned in the Boston, Lincolnshire article. Please stop adding it in. — Scouter Sig 20:40, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
The user 84.71.44.94 seems to be back as 131.111.200.200 and is intent on having his own way. Would someone please explain that "firstness" is not a qualification of "most-importantness?" It's a disambiguation page, intended for the most common forms. — Scouter Sig 23:32, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
'Boston, Boston, Boston, Thou has naught to boast on - A grand sluice, a mighty steeple, A proud, conceited, ignorant people: and a coast which souls are lost on!'
'Proud' seems to be the key word here, and I'm proud to see that some of my fellow British Bostonians have been sticking up for the old place. However, despite Boston's historical importance, there's no doubt that Boston, Mass., is the more famous of the two. I've expanded the first sentence, which is now a touch on the long side for a disambiguation page, but which - I hope - now acknowledges both the origin of the name (in Lincolnshire) and its most well-known use (in Massachusetts). I know I'm late to this argument, but what do people think? It seems like a simple, good-faith way of handling the whole thing.
Bedesboy 20:33, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
I don't have the time or inclination to list them all here, or add them, as for now they'd mostly be redlinks; but search here for "Boston" and a bunch of other placenames will come up, including a ridge, some bays, and there are actually three Bostons in Ontario, plus Boston Mills, Ontario. Skookum1 ( talk) 17:16, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved. As there's no contentious debate here I'm going ahead and closing this per WP:SNOW (non-admin closure). DC T• C 19:48, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
Boston (disambiguation) → Boston — Per privious nomination, the town in Lincolnshire gives it's name to the American Boston, so is just as notable if not more notable. I would even go as far to say Boston, Lincolnshire should be the prime topic Crouch, Swale talk to me My contribs 15:24, 27 November 2010 (UTC)