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Interesting fact - Bob brown had his first brush with the media when announcing to media that Jimi Hendrix had died at the hospital he was working at in London. See here - http://bulletin.ninemsn.com.au/bulletin/eddesk.nsf/All/5991B6D641758862CA256DD000073F7D
Jgritz 16:21, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)
What is wrong with wikifying Oberon? The remainder of my edit can be explained at Wikipedia:Manual of style. Please follow it. -- Jiang 06:41, 24 Oct 2003 (UTC)
Previously, this ariticle referred to Bob Brown as an Atheist, citing an abc interview where he states the following.
"…And had somebody tell me that the woman in charge – to my direction questioning – that people who hadn’t heard the name of Christ before Captain Cook arrived in the Pacific had all gone down to stoke coal. So I got up then and there and left. And I thought to myself ever since then, I’m amazed for so long I hung on to the mythical side of the old religions. But I’m very obliged to the ethical component which is very much part I think of human dignity and the reaching for a secure future that we have to get back into human affairs." Which cleary implies that he may be an atheist, at the very least he is no longer "religious" in any formal sense. Following on in that interview, however, he states the following "So when you decided to come out and recognise yourself as a gay man, did it mean rejecting God?
Bob Brown: No, it didn’t. It meant reformulating what the lifeforce is, and it is a mystery beyond comprehension. What are we doing here, How did we get here from the big bang and what was before that. Where are we going to? And why do we have this concept of purpose? To me evolution, creativity in the universe isn’t wasteful. So there is this concept of purpose which we as human beings have. And as best I can see it’s up to us to set that purpose." So what's the go? Atheist? New age mystic? The universe is god? Clive Hamilton has elsewhere stated that Bob is an atheist, and he is widely regarded as one. At the same time the only statement I can find from Bob on the matter was "lapsed presbyterian". So this is what I have put in the article. Please someone find a better reference! Puff Of Hot Air ( talk) 12:53, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
The notion that Bob is Anti American is an entirely contested concept. Like much of the Australian population Bob has NOT expressed anti american sentiments, but rather sentiments oposing the behaviour of the US administration. The ideas are quite different, and key to understanding the conceptual modalities of the 'left' ideologies.
Feel free to adapt the text to reflect your conceptual modalities. If I disagree I will conceptually modalify it back again. :) Adam 05:12, 29 Oct 2003 (UTC)
Is it really necessary to put a category "gay" on this page? It's about as relevant as having a Category:straight for John Howard. Jgritz 09:45, 2 Sep 2004 (UTC)
A minor change, I think. Bob was the "unoffical" leader of the Greens because they did not have enough seats to qualify. Now, with the smaller parliament they do, and Peg Putt is the leader. see http://www.parliament.tas.gov.au/ha/GreensCab.htm and http://www.parliament.tas.gov.au/tpl/datasheets/MP_State_Federal.htm
Im supposing my alterations won't stand, knowing how precious many Green party supporters are. I deleted 2 references to Brown's sexuality becuase it is irrelevant. Its already mentioned twice, and thats enough. He never stood as a homosexual campainger, and in his time in the Tasmania parliament it was never an issue. By littering the reference to what his sexual inclination is 4 times takes away from why and what being a Green is, and his broader stance on things. The article is, in my opinion, does him no justice at all. Whoever wrote it is probably gay themselves, as has used their issue to hijack the full story of Browns acheivments. I made reference to what Gunns is. Not everyone knows. Brown also no longer lives in Hobart, but I see that clarrification didnt stand either.
What you said there didn't make any sense. Do you mean clarify them without my political bias? I did, but you ignored them and wiped out my changes. I have no bias, I am actually a member of the Greens. I won't be attempting to make any further changes but I hope you'll take my opinions on board and maybe do them yourself. I'm sure potential Green voters come to look up at Brown on wikipedia and walk away with the view that his main claim to fame is being a homosexual crusader. Wrong. Not a representative view of who is, or what he stands for. Lastly, change the Hobart residence bit at the end if you want to be accurate. He lives with his partner 50km away now. I also think referring to the fact he will be 69, if he wins his Senate seat at the next election, and if he serves that full term, is irrelevant. Thats all I got to say. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 61.68.169.56 ( talk • contribs) .
I made a final comment here 4 days ago but it looks like it has been censored. Why censor my opinions? I have a problem with many Greens restricting the freedom of speech of others. They tend to be that way. What I will again say, in the interest of others, is there is no point in me altering anything, even carefully, because the changes and efforts I make will be reverted back again. I pointed out the big flaws in the article. Fix them if you will Ambi, and please leave this comment in this time without censoring me yet again! My vote relies on it! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 61.68.165.87 ( talk • contribs) .
Where is the reference that supports "In federal Parliament, however, he became more active on this issue, particularly when a second gay . . . "? Brown has not campaigned on gay issues/rights as far as I know. Michael Organ (Greens, Cunningham) spoke in Parliament on same sex marriage, and campaigned on that issue, not Brown. The phrase "During his parliamentary career in Tasmania, Brown was not particularly outspoken on gay rights issues, although he never concealed the fact that he was gay." is out of place - it should be back with his Tasmanian parliamentary service section. Also , the "never concealed" bit is entirely redundant as it is previously stated that he had "publicly come out". I am considering making some edits to sort this out. Peter Campbell 10:48, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
The number and prominence of references to Brown's sexuality seems disputed, so I'll just make this suggestion here: it seems to be overly prominent in the intro. There are two references in the first sentence, suggesting that his sexuality is as notable as his party leadership, which doesn't seem to be true given his main political focus: "Dr Robert James Brown (born December 27, 1944), is a homosexual far-left Australian Senator, the inaugural Parliamentary Leader of the Australian Greens and the first openly gay member of the Parliament of Australia." Deleting 'homosexual' would seem to be reasonable. Thayvian 04:18, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
I removed the statement "he would be 69 by the end of his third term" because I suggested it was not neutral point of view. The edit was reverted by Ambi who commented "It's true, and it's quite relevant" but that misses my point. As written on Wikipedia:NPOV_dispute:
It is conceivable that the reference to his age has been placed there to present a point of view about a weakness in Bob Brown. Should the reference stay or go? Barrylb 10:13, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
I couldn't care less how old Bob Brown is. It's not an issue of POV, bias or whatever. It's just not of any interest or any relevance as a worthwhile point to make. Who cares? Should we go through the whole article and at every point in his career say how old he was at the time? And how would you know if somebody was going to throw in the towel? Donald Rumsfeld is 75 (I think) and Natasha Stott Despoja didn't make it to 40! Having read the previous posts (as well as others that mention confusion as to when he will be 69 since he was born in 1944) I think it can go. Removing it. -- Theophilus Thistler 13:25, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
I dont think that the information "and became recognised as the national leader of the anti-war left." is either accurate or NPOV. I think this part of the sentence should be deleted. Who is the "anti war left"? (no reference is provided). I am not aware of any such group that would regard Brown as their national leader. The most that could be said is that Brown became "an unofficial spokesperson for the anti war/peace movement".
Also, I think the anti war (peace) movement transcends "left" and "right". The Federal Cabinet might have fallen lockstep in with Howard's push for war, but a lot of Liberal voters are not happy about it [1]. Also, Kerry Nettle has been equally outspoken (but not as well covered by the media) on opposing the Iraq war. Peter Campbell 11:53, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
The Greens own page states that Norm Sanders was the first Green MP, even though he was an independent. Jgritz 23:22, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
I DONT THINK HE WAS BORN IN 1944, THAT CANT BE RIGHT.
Hmm interesting. He doesnt look that old.
Sorry about that.
Sorry for not clarifying on this earlier (thought it was fairly self explanatory), but I disagree with the opening "Despite his rather dour and humourless public manner, he is widely admired as a man of courage and conviction, even by those who disagree with him. One example of Brown at his most tolerant (as well as an indication of a dry sense of humour) is his welcoming of Fred Nile's intention to run as a Christian Democratic Party of Australia candidate for the Australian Senate in the 2004 federal election. Brown was quoted as saying "He will give the opportunity to highlight the Greens' humanitarian policies which have doubled the vote for the Greens in the last three or four years." Unless this is cited/cleaned up, I don't believe it should be in the article.
I'll re-delete the entry in 2 days unless its cleaned up.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Epsoul ( talk • contribs) 30 August 2006.
Could someone update the picture with his current parliamentary photo? http://www.aph.gov.au/senate/senators/homepages/senators.asp?id=QD4 The current one must be decades out of date. Sad mouse 00:55, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
Is this a fact? His Memo book and a PDF file on his website state his house is in central Tasmania on the Liffey River, in the shadow of some mountain. It could well be he has a "house" there but not a "home" there, so the Hobart reference may well be right. I'm sure a contributor to the article could straighten this one out. Peter1968 01:53, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
I was surprised that there was no mention of Bob's policy to ban coal exports. So I added it myself. I now know why there is no mention of this because a Greens supporter removed it within 15 minutes, claiming that my statement was incorrect (no - I didn't say ban within 3 years I said plan implemented within 3 years - Bob's own article said by the next election) and that my content was POV (no - it was fact. He did attract scorn from the media and major political parties) and that my reference was POV (no - it is in the media and stated the position of major party politician who disagrees, thereby proving my point). You are a self confessed Greens supporter (ie POV). I just thought it was of interest. Does anybody (including the above mentioned propaganda merchant) have anything to add to this debate?-- Theophilus Thistler 13:48, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia is better off for me having added what I added and it then being shaped into what it is (a better method would have been DISCUSSION - but we got there). Wikipedia is worse off for us having THIS discussion. You are experienced in the art of being loud in any media (I remember hearing a saying about noisy vessels but darned if I can remember it). Give Bob Brown a Nobel Prize if you want. But adhering to WP:NPOV and WP:CIVIL is recommended.-- Theophilus Thistler 17:32, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Maybe my brain's gone dead, but I have a clear recollection of Bob Brown being interviewed on radio some years ago, when he was asked about his birth name being Jack Spooner. He was quite open about it, he confirmed he had been born Jack Spooner and his name was later changed, but I don't remember the circumstances - for example, whether his mother remarried and he took his new father's name; or whether he changed it himself by deed poll. I checked on Google but nothing came up. Can anyone confirm this? -- JackofOz ( talk) 06:19, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
The article states that Brown pronounced Jimi Hendrix dead. The source quoted (see the PDF document) only infers Brown was a medical officer and present in the ward when Hendrix was admitted. Nothing in the source supports the article's speculation that Brown pronounced Hendrix dead. I have not found any other source indicating that Brown pronounced Hendrix dead.
On this basis, and also because its useless trivia anyway, I have deleted the Hendrix reference.-- Mkativerata ( talk) 05:00, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
The idea of a de-facto parliamentary leader (in the position box at the bottom of the page) is quite silly. There were only one or two AG senators during this period including Brown. It is completely contrary to Green principles to award any sort of leadership status without some form of approved process. It is also unprecedented to add a "de-facto" position in such a way for Australian political parties in Wikipedia. No such statement exists for Steve Fielding, or other minor party Senators who sat alone in the Senate (Greens WA, Nuclear Disarmament). Sambauers ( talk) 06:52, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
Reports on this are sketchy and do not contain specific quotes of Brown saying he wants the coal industry to pay the entire bill for the floods. Media sources that quote a snippet of a politician's statement then claim he said something contentious not backed by a direct quote are a bit suspect especially when the politician concerned is not popular with the media. I would like to see a more authoritative source for this otherwise it's POV. Philip Machanick ( talk) 12:07, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
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In 2010, Brown was selected by readers of Samesame as one of the 25 most influential gay Australians.
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Bob Brown has received the following awards:
Also, he has since published another book, titled "Earth" (2009) [4]
Finally, the last two paragraphs in "State Politics" should be integrated into the section "Personal life".
Charbono ( talk) 16:25, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
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I removed the following paragraph:
"In May 2011, Brown was involved in a dispute at a press conference where he attacked various journalists and described News Limited as the 'hate media'. He was widely condemed for this and was accused of being unable to 'take the pressure'. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/media-round-on-brown-over-attack-on-news-limited/story-fn59niix-1226059243419 |title=Media round on Brown over attack on News Ltd |work=The Australian |date=20 May 2011 |accessdate=22 May 2011 |first=James |last=Massola}}</ref>"
for not following Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. As explained in my edit summary, Brown's position regarding the media is notable, but this should be presented in a comprehensive encyclopaedic format and from a neutral point of view. The above summary relies on an obviously non-neutral source - the alleged "hate media". Furthermore the summary misrepresents the content, when asserting that the cited article would indicate that [Brown] "attacked various journalists", "he was widely condemed" and "was accused of being unable to 'take the pressure'". Please discuss this issue here before attempting to reinsert it into the article. -- Elekhh ( talk) 23:39, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
This reads like an endorsement, not a Wikipedia article. Facts, not conjecture.
Some choice phrases from the current article: "where he experienced his first taste of civil disobedience – senior medical staff refused to certify young men who didn't wish to fight in the Vietnam War as fit to be conscripted.
"Brown announced that he had a gay partner[6] expressly in order to prevent discrimination and encourage law reform (homosexuality was a crime in Tasmania at that time)." Notice the use of "EXPRESSLY". Of course we're here to present Bob Brown and his supporter's views on every matter concerning him....
In 1976 he fasted for a week on top of Mt Wellington in protest against the arrival at Hobart of the nuclear powered warship USS Enterprise. This is relevant how?
During his first term of office, Brown introduced a wide range of private member's initiatives, including for freedom of information, death with dignity, lowering parliamentary salaries, gay law reform, banning the battery-hen industry and advocation for nuclear free Tasmania. His 1987 bill to ban semi-automatic guns was voted down by both Liberal and Labor members of Tasmania's House of Assembly, nine years before the Port Arthur massacre resulted in a successful federal Liberal bid to achieve the same results.
What a wonderful man - no wait, this is meant to be an unbiased Wikipedia article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.167.177.176 ( talk) 23:54, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
Hi, just wondering how/if a link could be put into 'Trunkey Public School' to connect it to the page for Trunkey Creek, but without misnaming the school itself. Wasn't sure how to do this, so I didn't want to act rashly and make a mistake. Cheers. 116.250.91.37 ( talk) 03:10, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
It seems pretty clear to me that this Bob Brown is the primary topic, as the founder and leader of a highly significant political party. A quick look through the other Bob Browns hasn't convinced me otherwise. In any case this move was made without consensus. Frickeg ( talk) 04:15, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
I've just moved the page back, as there's obviously no consensus to support the move. It appears to have been moved in good faith, however, and Seaeffel ( talk · contribs) should be commended for following WP:BOLD. No damage has been done by having this article at a different, but not illogical, name for a few hours and a few of the above comments seem a bit unfair. I know I made some mistakes when I was new here! Nick-D ( talk) 10:22, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
My, my, touched a nerve down under, did I? You Australians are certainly a parochial lot. Why is this Bob Brown any more important than, say, professional athletes, who'd I'd venture to say are far more well known than this guy? I can round up lots of secondary party leaders, and openly gay politicians (even those who were the first to come out) that don't deserve to be a primary topic (Canada has loads of them ...) Geez, lighten up. You are proving your (it seems well earned) reputation for thin skin. Seaeffel ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 19:39, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
Try typing in John Macdonald. Get lots of them, eh? Well you don't see Canadians jonesing to get the primary link to be John A. Macdonald, who just happens to be our first Prime Minister and one of the towering figures of Canadian history ... do you, mate? Founder of the Green Party, give me a break. Every country has lots of significant political parties led by hacks that will, with time, be consigned to the "dustbin of history." I bet you if 1000 people were searching Bob Brown, 999 would be surprised to end up on a gay Australian Green Politician page. That is for sure. I wasn't being bold, I was being sensible. Seaeffel ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:16, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
At least I'm honest. You people need some perspective. Its like being faced with Australian Group Green Think. Are you a cult? Try stepping back and trying to see what others see. We Canadians are particularly good at this, we have to be, our neighbour is USA. Bob Brown and the Tasmanian Green devils live in your belly button. Good luck. Seaeffel ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 00:10, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
Sigh, you people are so self-serving its see-through. Do you read what you write? Or just drink the same Kool-Aide? Of course Bob Brown (gay Aussie Green version) will have the most hits, its the flipping DEFAULT page! You go there by accident, as I did. How many of those users are surprised to end up on that page? And the good folk of Wikipedia, upon learning of my heinous act of renaming, fulminate, take up their pitch forks, and brand me idiotic. BUT ... I'm supposed to move on? Is this a Wiki thing, or an Australian thing, but maybe an APOLOGY is in order? This ringing a bell? Wait, let me check ... WP:NEVER APOLOGIZE. You are the saddest bunch lemmings I've come across on my 5+ years on wikipedia. At least 5 years. Here is the first article (I remember) I created: Roman Jarymowycz. I have so many discarded user names I honestly can't recall them all. 70.26.45.111 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 12:18, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
No I didn't. How do you know what I intended? Is he not gay, Aussie and Green? This is what I absolutely hate about wikipedia. Want to talk about self-righteous. You people have to get a life. That is the trouble with this place; half the people live to be judgmental, and the other half can't write. I'm going to finish with my Canadian Football League interests and drop out anyways. Thank you and come again. Have a nice day, eh. 70.26.45.111 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 13:25, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
Ah, RCHussar. Thanks for the memories. I could care less what you think of me. But, under my previous user name I think I created 200 articles over the past year, everyone scrupulously referenced and with a pithy and parsimonious writing style. I like researching, writing and editing (especially the endless stream of ultra poor prose here.) I have fun. 70.26.45.111 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 13:31, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
Timeshift wanted a more fulsome reply, which is here: Bob Brown. Seaeffel ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 14:35, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
The argument about Bob Brown being the default page is meaningless considering the same scenario applies to most other disambiguation debates. Still waiting for a valid reply to my disambig argument. And i'm still waiting to hear what Bob Brown you find when you google Bob Brown. :) Timeshift ( talk) 22:06, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
You ask for a reply, then delete it ...
Let me give you a little lesson in math and causation. Bob Brown is the default page for all searches on any Bob Brown. Soooo ... logically, we can posit that every search for a Bob Brown will access the gay Aussie Green Bob Brown first. I would then argue that a much more meaningful comparison of numbers would be Bob Brown versus the hits for all other Bob Browns combined, as every other Bob Brown search would, by design, have started with accessing the gay Aussie Green Bob Brown first.
Oh, and then your total for gay Aussie Green Bob should be reduced by whatever total you got for all other totals of the other Bobs combined, because we can deduce that all of these searches/hits had first accessed gay Aussie Green Bob by accident (and did not mean to search him) because, as stated, gay Aussie Green Bob's page is the default ... and now you have a much more meaningful comparison.
Yeah, I know in reality this theory might not be perfect, but its better than your poorly analyzed assertion.
And as far as wikipedia notability goes, this is a standard for inclusion in wikipedia globally, but not a mechanism for making value judgments about articles already in wikipedia. I imagine what you are suggesting is actually determined by consensus. That said, its seems fairly clear to me that those who insist that gay Aussie Green Bob Brown be the default page for Bob Brown have their own agenda at work (the most obvious is that being the default page de facto advertises gay Aussie Green Bob Brown, which supporters of him would want.) I'll be the first to admit that wikipedia has its fair share of altruistic contributors (including a vast majority of those with official wiki status) but I would also argue, with a great deal of confidence, that an overwhelming majority of people who edit wiki do so with an agenda in mind. Its human nature, and intuitive. And some are much more determined to further their agenda than others (political party supporters come immediately to mind.) I recall once I redirected an article away from a fictional character to a real human being, making the mistake of thinking that a real person, having made real contributions, was more important. Someone corrected me by pointing out that the fictional character was better known and more popular, however trivial it may have been.
Yep, so I'd suggest that, for example, any of the Bob Browns that are or were professional athletes are so way more widely known than gay Aussie Green Bob. Come on? No matter what meaningful contributions to Australian political and civil life gay Aussie Green Bob may have made, and I am sure there are many, it will blanch in comparison to the goals or touchdowns some journeyman athlete scored ... however trivial. And unless Australia is different than every other country in the modern democratic world, people don't care about politicians anyways. Trust me, I have a graduate degree in study of political attitudes. And wikipedia shouldn't be the place to remedy this. If people want to eat cake, serve it to them on the fine china.
Have a nice day, eh, mate.
And with that, I take my leave, exit stage left. Seaeffel ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 22:17, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
Oh, dear! Please allow me to indulge in a Canadian trait (and weakness, we say "sorry" a lot) and apologize if I have offended anybody. Mind you, I am at a loss to see why, as gay, Aussie and Green, used either individually or together as I did, are not insults in Canada ... at all. And I chose this description because each term is prominently mentioned in the very first paragraph of this article about gay Aussie Green Bob. You have to get a thicker hide! I'd suggest a more meaningful reply would be to respond to my analysis of this article (and wikipedia generally) but I certainly understand why you wouldn't bother, as its not in your interests. Indeed, that was the point of what I wrote.
I'll give this article one thing, it is fairly well written, which is something you can't say about 90% of the stuff on wikipedia. Again, have a great day, eh, mate. 70.26.45.111 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:21, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
For crying out loud! Is whinging a national sport in Australia? I'm not giving primacy to Bob Brown's gayness, I am primarily concerned with the fact he has a very common NAME but might not be the most well known Bob Brown on this planet! I know a little bit about Australia, but not once I have I heard or read his name (and I know that Amanda Bishop does a pretty good Julia Gillard impersonation.) You people have commented on everything but my central argument, and in my estimation, for good reason, because there is very little other than your parochial self interest (in promoting gay Aussie Green Bob) to support your claim to primary topic. And give me a frigging break ... there is absolutely nothing wrong with acknowledging a person's sexuality, especially when the person has made a point of advertising it politically. What is wrong is when you discriminate based on the same. Its called the real world. And I'd differentiate between FDR and TR quite simply ... their darn names are different!!! Unlike gay Aussie Green Bob and his many identically named wiki entries. Geez Louise. I need to watch some hockey. 70.26.45.111 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 04:51, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
So wikipedia is all about attitude? God forfend that facts, argument and logic gets in the way. No wonder so few people take it seriously. (But don't get me wrong ... I love it!) 70.26.45.111 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 05:38, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
Bob Brown Greens leader is the primary noteability of Bob Brown compared to Bob Brown ALP MP. Therefore the article should not be disambiguated. Timeshift ( talk) 06:28, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. Armbrust The Homunculus 13:27, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
Bob Brown → Bob Brown (Australian Greens politician) – Disambiguation per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. There is no primary topic (and this Austrailian politician is certainly not the primary topic) therefore this term should be the title of a disambiguation page. Addition of parenthetical qualifier will enable subject's proper disambiguation from fellow political figure, Bob Brown (Australian Labor politician). Yarkees ( talk) 22:35, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
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Lacks references in particular. Somebody should read the published biography.-- Grahamec 06:47, 19 January 2007 (UTC) |
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The construction of the (Saint) [1] Bob Brown mythology continues! He was not a foundation of the world´s first Green Party in the world (the United Tasmania Group - UTG, which began in 1972). He became involved three years after UTG was formed. He was not the first Director of the Tasmanian Wilderness Society (he was the third). Norm Sanders was the first Green member elected to parliament (in Tasmania). Bob Brown has always been seen himself as charismatic leader, and while he helped to achieve many things he was as much as anything the protected product of an ´inner elite´ (which I covered in my sociology Honours thesis). Also, the Franklin River campaign was never the primary stimulus for the formation of the Tasmanian Wilderness Society. I can confirm all of these statement as former State Secretary of the United Tasmania Group and as Assistant Director when the Tasmanian Wilderness Society was first formed (Kevin Kiernan was the Director). [2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sarmiento2015 ( talk • contribs) 04:34, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
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The word "Resigns" as the Greens leader appears to be a rude gesture at his resignation - rather than say "Resigned" as the Greens leader as a fact of the past, just wondering why we are using that present active tense 132.234.228.133 ( talk) 11:39, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
@ The Drover's Wife: The statement in the lead that Brown was the first openly gay leader of an Australian political party is unsourced. While a quick google search shows many sources do actually say that in passing, this one attributes the title to Brian Greig, explicitly stating that although Bob Brown preceded him, "the Greens do not have the required five elected members to let Bob Brown" take the title: [2]. I'm not familiar with how many elected members a party needs to have a formal leader or how that technicality works, I'm just pointing out what the source says. Also apologies; Brown was the first openly gay senator. I conflated my sources on Grieg, who was the first openly gay politician and the first senator to campaign for LGBT rights. Damien Linnane ( talk) 01:35, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
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Interesting fact - Bob brown had his first brush with the media when announcing to media that Jimi Hendrix had died at the hospital he was working at in London. See here - http://bulletin.ninemsn.com.au/bulletin/eddesk.nsf/All/5991B6D641758862CA256DD000073F7D
Jgritz 16:21, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)
What is wrong with wikifying Oberon? The remainder of my edit can be explained at Wikipedia:Manual of style. Please follow it. -- Jiang 06:41, 24 Oct 2003 (UTC)
Previously, this ariticle referred to Bob Brown as an Atheist, citing an abc interview where he states the following.
"…And had somebody tell me that the woman in charge – to my direction questioning – that people who hadn’t heard the name of Christ before Captain Cook arrived in the Pacific had all gone down to stoke coal. So I got up then and there and left. And I thought to myself ever since then, I’m amazed for so long I hung on to the mythical side of the old religions. But I’m very obliged to the ethical component which is very much part I think of human dignity and the reaching for a secure future that we have to get back into human affairs." Which cleary implies that he may be an atheist, at the very least he is no longer "religious" in any formal sense. Following on in that interview, however, he states the following "So when you decided to come out and recognise yourself as a gay man, did it mean rejecting God?
Bob Brown: No, it didn’t. It meant reformulating what the lifeforce is, and it is a mystery beyond comprehension. What are we doing here, How did we get here from the big bang and what was before that. Where are we going to? And why do we have this concept of purpose? To me evolution, creativity in the universe isn’t wasteful. So there is this concept of purpose which we as human beings have. And as best I can see it’s up to us to set that purpose." So what's the go? Atheist? New age mystic? The universe is god? Clive Hamilton has elsewhere stated that Bob is an atheist, and he is widely regarded as one. At the same time the only statement I can find from Bob on the matter was "lapsed presbyterian". So this is what I have put in the article. Please someone find a better reference! Puff Of Hot Air ( talk) 12:53, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
The notion that Bob is Anti American is an entirely contested concept. Like much of the Australian population Bob has NOT expressed anti american sentiments, but rather sentiments oposing the behaviour of the US administration. The ideas are quite different, and key to understanding the conceptual modalities of the 'left' ideologies.
Feel free to adapt the text to reflect your conceptual modalities. If I disagree I will conceptually modalify it back again. :) Adam 05:12, 29 Oct 2003 (UTC)
Is it really necessary to put a category "gay" on this page? It's about as relevant as having a Category:straight for John Howard. Jgritz 09:45, 2 Sep 2004 (UTC)
A minor change, I think. Bob was the "unoffical" leader of the Greens because they did not have enough seats to qualify. Now, with the smaller parliament they do, and Peg Putt is the leader. see http://www.parliament.tas.gov.au/ha/GreensCab.htm and http://www.parliament.tas.gov.au/tpl/datasheets/MP_State_Federal.htm
Im supposing my alterations won't stand, knowing how precious many Green party supporters are. I deleted 2 references to Brown's sexuality becuase it is irrelevant. Its already mentioned twice, and thats enough. He never stood as a homosexual campainger, and in his time in the Tasmania parliament it was never an issue. By littering the reference to what his sexual inclination is 4 times takes away from why and what being a Green is, and his broader stance on things. The article is, in my opinion, does him no justice at all. Whoever wrote it is probably gay themselves, as has used their issue to hijack the full story of Browns acheivments. I made reference to what Gunns is. Not everyone knows. Brown also no longer lives in Hobart, but I see that clarrification didnt stand either.
What you said there didn't make any sense. Do you mean clarify them without my political bias? I did, but you ignored them and wiped out my changes. I have no bias, I am actually a member of the Greens. I won't be attempting to make any further changes but I hope you'll take my opinions on board and maybe do them yourself. I'm sure potential Green voters come to look up at Brown on wikipedia and walk away with the view that his main claim to fame is being a homosexual crusader. Wrong. Not a representative view of who is, or what he stands for. Lastly, change the Hobart residence bit at the end if you want to be accurate. He lives with his partner 50km away now. I also think referring to the fact he will be 69, if he wins his Senate seat at the next election, and if he serves that full term, is irrelevant. Thats all I got to say. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 61.68.169.56 ( talk • contribs) .
I made a final comment here 4 days ago but it looks like it has been censored. Why censor my opinions? I have a problem with many Greens restricting the freedom of speech of others. They tend to be that way. What I will again say, in the interest of others, is there is no point in me altering anything, even carefully, because the changes and efforts I make will be reverted back again. I pointed out the big flaws in the article. Fix them if you will Ambi, and please leave this comment in this time without censoring me yet again! My vote relies on it! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 61.68.165.87 ( talk • contribs) .
Where is the reference that supports "In federal Parliament, however, he became more active on this issue, particularly when a second gay . . . "? Brown has not campaigned on gay issues/rights as far as I know. Michael Organ (Greens, Cunningham) spoke in Parliament on same sex marriage, and campaigned on that issue, not Brown. The phrase "During his parliamentary career in Tasmania, Brown was not particularly outspoken on gay rights issues, although he never concealed the fact that he was gay." is out of place - it should be back with his Tasmanian parliamentary service section. Also , the "never concealed" bit is entirely redundant as it is previously stated that he had "publicly come out". I am considering making some edits to sort this out. Peter Campbell 10:48, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
The number and prominence of references to Brown's sexuality seems disputed, so I'll just make this suggestion here: it seems to be overly prominent in the intro. There are two references in the first sentence, suggesting that his sexuality is as notable as his party leadership, which doesn't seem to be true given his main political focus: "Dr Robert James Brown (born December 27, 1944), is a homosexual far-left Australian Senator, the inaugural Parliamentary Leader of the Australian Greens and the first openly gay member of the Parliament of Australia." Deleting 'homosexual' would seem to be reasonable. Thayvian 04:18, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
I removed the statement "he would be 69 by the end of his third term" because I suggested it was not neutral point of view. The edit was reverted by Ambi who commented "It's true, and it's quite relevant" but that misses my point. As written on Wikipedia:NPOV_dispute:
It is conceivable that the reference to his age has been placed there to present a point of view about a weakness in Bob Brown. Should the reference stay or go? Barrylb 10:13, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
I couldn't care less how old Bob Brown is. It's not an issue of POV, bias or whatever. It's just not of any interest or any relevance as a worthwhile point to make. Who cares? Should we go through the whole article and at every point in his career say how old he was at the time? And how would you know if somebody was going to throw in the towel? Donald Rumsfeld is 75 (I think) and Natasha Stott Despoja didn't make it to 40! Having read the previous posts (as well as others that mention confusion as to when he will be 69 since he was born in 1944) I think it can go. Removing it. -- Theophilus Thistler 13:25, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
I dont think that the information "and became recognised as the national leader of the anti-war left." is either accurate or NPOV. I think this part of the sentence should be deleted. Who is the "anti war left"? (no reference is provided). I am not aware of any such group that would regard Brown as their national leader. The most that could be said is that Brown became "an unofficial spokesperson for the anti war/peace movement".
Also, I think the anti war (peace) movement transcends "left" and "right". The Federal Cabinet might have fallen lockstep in with Howard's push for war, but a lot of Liberal voters are not happy about it [1]. Also, Kerry Nettle has been equally outspoken (but not as well covered by the media) on opposing the Iraq war. Peter Campbell 11:53, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
The Greens own page states that Norm Sanders was the first Green MP, even though he was an independent. Jgritz 23:22, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
I DONT THINK HE WAS BORN IN 1944, THAT CANT BE RIGHT.
Hmm interesting. He doesnt look that old.
Sorry about that.
Sorry for not clarifying on this earlier (thought it was fairly self explanatory), but I disagree with the opening "Despite his rather dour and humourless public manner, he is widely admired as a man of courage and conviction, even by those who disagree with him. One example of Brown at his most tolerant (as well as an indication of a dry sense of humour) is his welcoming of Fred Nile's intention to run as a Christian Democratic Party of Australia candidate for the Australian Senate in the 2004 federal election. Brown was quoted as saying "He will give the opportunity to highlight the Greens' humanitarian policies which have doubled the vote for the Greens in the last three or four years." Unless this is cited/cleaned up, I don't believe it should be in the article.
I'll re-delete the entry in 2 days unless its cleaned up.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Epsoul ( talk • contribs) 30 August 2006.
Could someone update the picture with his current parliamentary photo? http://www.aph.gov.au/senate/senators/homepages/senators.asp?id=QD4 The current one must be decades out of date. Sad mouse 00:55, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
Is this a fact? His Memo book and a PDF file on his website state his house is in central Tasmania on the Liffey River, in the shadow of some mountain. It could well be he has a "house" there but not a "home" there, so the Hobart reference may well be right. I'm sure a contributor to the article could straighten this one out. Peter1968 01:53, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
I was surprised that there was no mention of Bob's policy to ban coal exports. So I added it myself. I now know why there is no mention of this because a Greens supporter removed it within 15 minutes, claiming that my statement was incorrect (no - I didn't say ban within 3 years I said plan implemented within 3 years - Bob's own article said by the next election) and that my content was POV (no - it was fact. He did attract scorn from the media and major political parties) and that my reference was POV (no - it is in the media and stated the position of major party politician who disagrees, thereby proving my point). You are a self confessed Greens supporter (ie POV). I just thought it was of interest. Does anybody (including the above mentioned propaganda merchant) have anything to add to this debate?-- Theophilus Thistler 13:48, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia is better off for me having added what I added and it then being shaped into what it is (a better method would have been DISCUSSION - but we got there). Wikipedia is worse off for us having THIS discussion. You are experienced in the art of being loud in any media (I remember hearing a saying about noisy vessels but darned if I can remember it). Give Bob Brown a Nobel Prize if you want. But adhering to WP:NPOV and WP:CIVIL is recommended.-- Theophilus Thistler 17:32, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Maybe my brain's gone dead, but I have a clear recollection of Bob Brown being interviewed on radio some years ago, when he was asked about his birth name being Jack Spooner. He was quite open about it, he confirmed he had been born Jack Spooner and his name was later changed, but I don't remember the circumstances - for example, whether his mother remarried and he took his new father's name; or whether he changed it himself by deed poll. I checked on Google but nothing came up. Can anyone confirm this? -- JackofOz ( talk) 06:19, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
The article states that Brown pronounced Jimi Hendrix dead. The source quoted (see the PDF document) only infers Brown was a medical officer and present in the ward when Hendrix was admitted. Nothing in the source supports the article's speculation that Brown pronounced Hendrix dead. I have not found any other source indicating that Brown pronounced Hendrix dead.
On this basis, and also because its useless trivia anyway, I have deleted the Hendrix reference.-- Mkativerata ( talk) 05:00, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
The idea of a de-facto parliamentary leader (in the position box at the bottom of the page) is quite silly. There were only one or two AG senators during this period including Brown. It is completely contrary to Green principles to award any sort of leadership status without some form of approved process. It is also unprecedented to add a "de-facto" position in such a way for Australian political parties in Wikipedia. No such statement exists for Steve Fielding, or other minor party Senators who sat alone in the Senate (Greens WA, Nuclear Disarmament). Sambauers ( talk) 06:52, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
Reports on this are sketchy and do not contain specific quotes of Brown saying he wants the coal industry to pay the entire bill for the floods. Media sources that quote a snippet of a politician's statement then claim he said something contentious not backed by a direct quote are a bit suspect especially when the politician concerned is not popular with the media. I would like to see a more authoritative source for this otherwise it's POV. Philip Machanick ( talk) 12:07, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
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In 2010, Brown was selected by readers of Samesame as one of the 25 most influential gay Australians.
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Bob Brown has received the following awards:
Also, he has since published another book, titled "Earth" (2009) [4]
Finally, the last two paragraphs in "State Politics" should be integrated into the section "Personal life".
Charbono ( talk) 16:25, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
References
I removed the following paragraph:
"In May 2011, Brown was involved in a dispute at a press conference where he attacked various journalists and described News Limited as the 'hate media'. He was widely condemed for this and was accused of being unable to 'take the pressure'. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/media-round-on-brown-over-attack-on-news-limited/story-fn59niix-1226059243419 |title=Media round on Brown over attack on News Ltd |work=The Australian |date=20 May 2011 |accessdate=22 May 2011 |first=James |last=Massola}}</ref>"
for not following Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. As explained in my edit summary, Brown's position regarding the media is notable, but this should be presented in a comprehensive encyclopaedic format and from a neutral point of view. The above summary relies on an obviously non-neutral source - the alleged "hate media". Furthermore the summary misrepresents the content, when asserting that the cited article would indicate that [Brown] "attacked various journalists", "he was widely condemed" and "was accused of being unable to 'take the pressure'". Please discuss this issue here before attempting to reinsert it into the article. -- Elekhh ( talk) 23:39, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
This reads like an endorsement, not a Wikipedia article. Facts, not conjecture.
Some choice phrases from the current article: "where he experienced his first taste of civil disobedience – senior medical staff refused to certify young men who didn't wish to fight in the Vietnam War as fit to be conscripted.
"Brown announced that he had a gay partner[6] expressly in order to prevent discrimination and encourage law reform (homosexuality was a crime in Tasmania at that time)." Notice the use of "EXPRESSLY". Of course we're here to present Bob Brown and his supporter's views on every matter concerning him....
In 1976 he fasted for a week on top of Mt Wellington in protest against the arrival at Hobart of the nuclear powered warship USS Enterprise. This is relevant how?
During his first term of office, Brown introduced a wide range of private member's initiatives, including for freedom of information, death with dignity, lowering parliamentary salaries, gay law reform, banning the battery-hen industry and advocation for nuclear free Tasmania. His 1987 bill to ban semi-automatic guns was voted down by both Liberal and Labor members of Tasmania's House of Assembly, nine years before the Port Arthur massacre resulted in a successful federal Liberal bid to achieve the same results.
What a wonderful man - no wait, this is meant to be an unbiased Wikipedia article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.167.177.176 ( talk) 23:54, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
Hi, just wondering how/if a link could be put into 'Trunkey Public School' to connect it to the page for Trunkey Creek, but without misnaming the school itself. Wasn't sure how to do this, so I didn't want to act rashly and make a mistake. Cheers. 116.250.91.37 ( talk) 03:10, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
It seems pretty clear to me that this Bob Brown is the primary topic, as the founder and leader of a highly significant political party. A quick look through the other Bob Browns hasn't convinced me otherwise. In any case this move was made without consensus. Frickeg ( talk) 04:15, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
I've just moved the page back, as there's obviously no consensus to support the move. It appears to have been moved in good faith, however, and Seaeffel ( talk · contribs) should be commended for following WP:BOLD. No damage has been done by having this article at a different, but not illogical, name for a few hours and a few of the above comments seem a bit unfair. I know I made some mistakes when I was new here! Nick-D ( talk) 10:22, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
My, my, touched a nerve down under, did I? You Australians are certainly a parochial lot. Why is this Bob Brown any more important than, say, professional athletes, who'd I'd venture to say are far more well known than this guy? I can round up lots of secondary party leaders, and openly gay politicians (even those who were the first to come out) that don't deserve to be a primary topic (Canada has loads of them ...) Geez, lighten up. You are proving your (it seems well earned) reputation for thin skin. Seaeffel ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 19:39, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
Try typing in John Macdonald. Get lots of them, eh? Well you don't see Canadians jonesing to get the primary link to be John A. Macdonald, who just happens to be our first Prime Minister and one of the towering figures of Canadian history ... do you, mate? Founder of the Green Party, give me a break. Every country has lots of significant political parties led by hacks that will, with time, be consigned to the "dustbin of history." I bet you if 1000 people were searching Bob Brown, 999 would be surprised to end up on a gay Australian Green Politician page. That is for sure. I wasn't being bold, I was being sensible. Seaeffel ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:16, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
At least I'm honest. You people need some perspective. Its like being faced with Australian Group Green Think. Are you a cult? Try stepping back and trying to see what others see. We Canadians are particularly good at this, we have to be, our neighbour is USA. Bob Brown and the Tasmanian Green devils live in your belly button. Good luck. Seaeffel ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 00:10, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
Sigh, you people are so self-serving its see-through. Do you read what you write? Or just drink the same Kool-Aide? Of course Bob Brown (gay Aussie Green version) will have the most hits, its the flipping DEFAULT page! You go there by accident, as I did. How many of those users are surprised to end up on that page? And the good folk of Wikipedia, upon learning of my heinous act of renaming, fulminate, take up their pitch forks, and brand me idiotic. BUT ... I'm supposed to move on? Is this a Wiki thing, or an Australian thing, but maybe an APOLOGY is in order? This ringing a bell? Wait, let me check ... WP:NEVER APOLOGIZE. You are the saddest bunch lemmings I've come across on my 5+ years on wikipedia. At least 5 years. Here is the first article (I remember) I created: Roman Jarymowycz. I have so many discarded user names I honestly can't recall them all. 70.26.45.111 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 12:18, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
No I didn't. How do you know what I intended? Is he not gay, Aussie and Green? This is what I absolutely hate about wikipedia. Want to talk about self-righteous. You people have to get a life. That is the trouble with this place; half the people live to be judgmental, and the other half can't write. I'm going to finish with my Canadian Football League interests and drop out anyways. Thank you and come again. Have a nice day, eh. 70.26.45.111 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 13:25, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
Ah, RCHussar. Thanks for the memories. I could care less what you think of me. But, under my previous user name I think I created 200 articles over the past year, everyone scrupulously referenced and with a pithy and parsimonious writing style. I like researching, writing and editing (especially the endless stream of ultra poor prose here.) I have fun. 70.26.45.111 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 13:31, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
Timeshift wanted a more fulsome reply, which is here: Bob Brown. Seaeffel ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 14:35, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
The argument about Bob Brown being the default page is meaningless considering the same scenario applies to most other disambiguation debates. Still waiting for a valid reply to my disambig argument. And i'm still waiting to hear what Bob Brown you find when you google Bob Brown. :) Timeshift ( talk) 22:06, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
You ask for a reply, then delete it ...
Let me give you a little lesson in math and causation. Bob Brown is the default page for all searches on any Bob Brown. Soooo ... logically, we can posit that every search for a Bob Brown will access the gay Aussie Green Bob Brown first. I would then argue that a much more meaningful comparison of numbers would be Bob Brown versus the hits for all other Bob Browns combined, as every other Bob Brown search would, by design, have started with accessing the gay Aussie Green Bob Brown first.
Oh, and then your total for gay Aussie Green Bob should be reduced by whatever total you got for all other totals of the other Bobs combined, because we can deduce that all of these searches/hits had first accessed gay Aussie Green Bob by accident (and did not mean to search him) because, as stated, gay Aussie Green Bob's page is the default ... and now you have a much more meaningful comparison.
Yeah, I know in reality this theory might not be perfect, but its better than your poorly analyzed assertion.
And as far as wikipedia notability goes, this is a standard for inclusion in wikipedia globally, but not a mechanism for making value judgments about articles already in wikipedia. I imagine what you are suggesting is actually determined by consensus. That said, its seems fairly clear to me that those who insist that gay Aussie Green Bob Brown be the default page for Bob Brown have their own agenda at work (the most obvious is that being the default page de facto advertises gay Aussie Green Bob Brown, which supporters of him would want.) I'll be the first to admit that wikipedia has its fair share of altruistic contributors (including a vast majority of those with official wiki status) but I would also argue, with a great deal of confidence, that an overwhelming majority of people who edit wiki do so with an agenda in mind. Its human nature, and intuitive. And some are much more determined to further their agenda than others (political party supporters come immediately to mind.) I recall once I redirected an article away from a fictional character to a real human being, making the mistake of thinking that a real person, having made real contributions, was more important. Someone corrected me by pointing out that the fictional character was better known and more popular, however trivial it may have been.
Yep, so I'd suggest that, for example, any of the Bob Browns that are or were professional athletes are so way more widely known than gay Aussie Green Bob. Come on? No matter what meaningful contributions to Australian political and civil life gay Aussie Green Bob may have made, and I am sure there are many, it will blanch in comparison to the goals or touchdowns some journeyman athlete scored ... however trivial. And unless Australia is different than every other country in the modern democratic world, people don't care about politicians anyways. Trust me, I have a graduate degree in study of political attitudes. And wikipedia shouldn't be the place to remedy this. If people want to eat cake, serve it to them on the fine china.
Have a nice day, eh, mate.
And with that, I take my leave, exit stage left. Seaeffel ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 22:17, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
Oh, dear! Please allow me to indulge in a Canadian trait (and weakness, we say "sorry" a lot) and apologize if I have offended anybody. Mind you, I am at a loss to see why, as gay, Aussie and Green, used either individually or together as I did, are not insults in Canada ... at all. And I chose this description because each term is prominently mentioned in the very first paragraph of this article about gay Aussie Green Bob. You have to get a thicker hide! I'd suggest a more meaningful reply would be to respond to my analysis of this article (and wikipedia generally) but I certainly understand why you wouldn't bother, as its not in your interests. Indeed, that was the point of what I wrote.
I'll give this article one thing, it is fairly well written, which is something you can't say about 90% of the stuff on wikipedia. Again, have a great day, eh, mate. 70.26.45.111 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:21, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
For crying out loud! Is whinging a national sport in Australia? I'm not giving primacy to Bob Brown's gayness, I am primarily concerned with the fact he has a very common NAME but might not be the most well known Bob Brown on this planet! I know a little bit about Australia, but not once I have I heard or read his name (and I know that Amanda Bishop does a pretty good Julia Gillard impersonation.) You people have commented on everything but my central argument, and in my estimation, for good reason, because there is very little other than your parochial self interest (in promoting gay Aussie Green Bob) to support your claim to primary topic. And give me a frigging break ... there is absolutely nothing wrong with acknowledging a person's sexuality, especially when the person has made a point of advertising it politically. What is wrong is when you discriminate based on the same. Its called the real world. And I'd differentiate between FDR and TR quite simply ... their darn names are different!!! Unlike gay Aussie Green Bob and his many identically named wiki entries. Geez Louise. I need to watch some hockey. 70.26.45.111 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 04:51, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
So wikipedia is all about attitude? God forfend that facts, argument and logic gets in the way. No wonder so few people take it seriously. (But don't get me wrong ... I love it!) 70.26.45.111 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 05:38, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
Bob Brown Greens leader is the primary noteability of Bob Brown compared to Bob Brown ALP MP. Therefore the article should not be disambiguated. Timeshift ( talk) 06:28, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. Armbrust The Homunculus 13:27, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
Bob Brown → Bob Brown (Australian Greens politician) – Disambiguation per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. There is no primary topic (and this Austrailian politician is certainly not the primary topic) therefore this term should be the title of a disambiguation page. Addition of parenthetical qualifier will enable subject's proper disambiguation from fellow political figure, Bob Brown (Australian Labor politician). Yarkees ( talk) 22:35, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
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Lacks references in particular. Somebody should read the published biography.-- Grahamec 06:47, 19 January 2007 (UTC) |
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– Retired political figure [the reason for the proposed extended qualifier is the presence of Bob Brown (Australian Labor politician)]. Even politicians who still hold office and were once WP:PRIMARYTOPICS may no longer be considered as primary [e.g. Scott Walker moved to Scott Walker (politician)]. There are 22 Bob Browns listed at the Bob Brown (disambiguation) page, to say nothing of the 17 Bobby Browns at Bobby Brown (disambiguation), 5 Rob Browns at Rob Brown (disambiguation) and 68 Robert Browns at Robert Brown (disambiguation). The most recent nomination discussion here was over two-and-a-half years ago and the subject should be re-evaluated. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 20:11, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
The construction of the (Saint) [1] Bob Brown mythology continues! He was not a foundation of the world´s first Green Party in the world (the United Tasmania Group - UTG, which began in 1972). He became involved three years after UTG was formed. He was not the first Director of the Tasmanian Wilderness Society (he was the third). Norm Sanders was the first Green member elected to parliament (in Tasmania). Bob Brown has always been seen himself as charismatic leader, and while he helped to achieve many things he was as much as anything the protected product of an ´inner elite´ (which I covered in my sociology Honours thesis). Also, the Franklin River campaign was never the primary stimulus for the formation of the Tasmanian Wilderness Society. I can confirm all of these statement as former State Secretary of the United Tasmania Group and as Assistant Director when the Tasmanian Wilderness Society was first formed (Kevin Kiernan was the Director). [2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sarmiento2015 ( talk • contribs) 04:34, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
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The word "Resigns" as the Greens leader appears to be a rude gesture at his resignation - rather than say "Resigned" as the Greens leader as a fact of the past, just wondering why we are using that present active tense 132.234.228.133 ( talk) 11:39, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
@ The Drover's Wife: The statement in the lead that Brown was the first openly gay leader of an Australian political party is unsourced. While a quick google search shows many sources do actually say that in passing, this one attributes the title to Brian Greig, explicitly stating that although Bob Brown preceded him, "the Greens do not have the required five elected members to let Bob Brown" take the title: [2]. I'm not familiar with how many elected members a party needs to have a formal leader or how that technicality works, I'm just pointing out what the source says. Also apologies; Brown was the first openly gay senator. I conflated my sources on Grieg, who was the first openly gay politician and the first senator to campaign for LGBT rights. Damien Linnane ( talk) 01:35, 9 August 2021 (UTC)