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Hi Politicsfan4, let's discuss! I think describing Anwar al-Awlaki as "Yemeni" alone in the lead is misleading to the point of inaccuracy. Awlaki was born in the United States and held American citizenship his whole life. Not only that, but the reason Awlaki's killing is notable enough to be in the lead is because he was American - a number of other prominent Al-Qaeda guys were killed during Obama's tenure, but Awlaki stood out as a US citizen. That was the essence of the considerable controversy over his death. Describing him solely as Yemeni elides that important bit of history. I think "Yemeni-American" would be fine, but I think "American" is best - it doesn't matter what particular second nationality Awlaki was associated with, it matters that he an American suspected terrorist targeted for killing by the US government without trial. Ganesha811 ( talk) 02:16, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
I would like to reconsider the image in the infobox for Obama. There is a similar discussion on Ronald Reagan's talk page here regarding changing the lead image for Reagan. The consensus there seems to favor the current image in the infobox which is his first term official portrait. I would like to know if using the current image which is his official portrait for his second term is still good to use or we should use his first term official portrait. The reason why I'm asking this is that the quality of the images is important to Wikipedia and according to the editors in the discussion I linked above, the older photo is a better quality image than the more recent image. So my question would be is recency important when deciding which photo to use? Interstellarity ( talk) 22:35, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
Pinging @ Politicsfan4: for input about this discussion. Interstellarity ( talk) 14:30, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
Previous discussion at Talk:Barack_Obama/Archive_82#Recent_change_of_leadimage. Pinging participants Johnuniq Fireandblood02 Sundayclose Sean Stephens. It's rather subjective, my preference lands on the newer image. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 16:29, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
I can't figure out current footnote 124 in subsection 1.3.2: "University of Chicago Law School and civil rights attorney". The link to Gray, Steven (September 10, 2008). "Taking professor Obama's class". Time. Retrieved January 30, 2010. is dead, but I can't find the ref! (How annoying!) There's some kind of crazy abbreviated format that doesn't include the name of the author, the date, or the title of the article. Here's the link to the article if somebody who can navigate this format would please insert it into the ref:
http://content.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1835238,00.html
Thanks.
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Does anyone else feel like the "Post-presidency" section has sprawled a bit and could use significant trimming? Therapyisgood ( talk) 02:12, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
I noticed that a recent edit got reverted about Obama's interaction with the Mahabharata and the Ramayana. I think that this is significant for this article as these are major religious books, and thus Obama interacting with them during his childhood would let the reader know about this. I propose adding the following in the same place from where it was reverted:
In his book ‘ A Promised Land’, Obama tells that he spent his childhood years listening to the Ramayana and the Mahabharata. [1] Shakespeare143 ( talk) 22:12, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
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"Debbie Wasserman Schultz was addressed as the purported sender of the packages" should be changed to "Debbie Wasserman Schultz was LISTED as the purported sender of the packages" or alternatively, "The name and address of Debbie Wasserman Schultz were listed on the packages as the purported sender." 73.37.114.76 ( talk) 03:09, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
The introduction refers to "successful military interventions in Iraq and Syria in response to gains made by ISIL after the 2011 withdrawal from Iraq." I believe that "successful" is inappropriate editorializing. Apart from the inherently subjectivity in judging a military action as "successful," these are both ongoing conflicts, so the outcome of U.S. intervention is inconclusive at best. The word is also not used in the text of the article, nor are these interventions characterized as "successful" within the article, meaning that its use in the introduction is inappropriate. I am seeking a thumbs up to remove the word "successful" or an explanation of why it was used or is justified. I understand that any edits to this article will be naturally controversial, so am hoping to be talked out of it. -A-M-B-1996- ( talk) 02:52, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
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I suggest to change "He was born to an American mother of European descent and an African father" into "He was born to an American mother of European descent and a Kenyan father". 31.208.77.183 ( talk) 20:39, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
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contribs 20:48, 3 June 2021 (UTC)One of Barack Obama's residences is on Martha's Vineyard and I was wondering if it was notable enough to add there?
@
Iamreallygoodatcheckers: - you
[2] added to the article: Obama, for his 60th birthday, threw a party on the grounds of his Martha Vineyard mansion. The party had about 700 guests... Did it really? Your NBC Boston source
[3] stated: Obama had originally planned a lavish birthday bash featuring nearly 700 guests and staff...
Your New York Times source
[4] said: Obama’s decision to cut back the reported 475-person guest list (a number that Mr. Obama’s camp never officially confirmed)...
So, is your writing accurate? Which source gives the number of actual attendees?
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Obama is not notable enough as an attorney for it to be in the lead sentence. It's WP:UNDUE. It should only say politician. Iamreallygoodatcheckers ( talk) 02:52, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
What is required for a descriptor or profession to be sufficiently notable? Iluien theIlluminator ( talk) 03:43, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
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Typos and missing words in post presidency section. "Endorsed" missing. "Minister" misspell.
Current:
On October 16, 2019, five days ahead of the Canadian federal election, Obama publicly Canadian Prime Miniter Justin Trudeau and the Liberal Party for re-election 68.162.104.119 ( talk) 00:39, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
Hi watch page editors: at this article's FAR, it was commented that the Post-presidency section was bloated. I agree with that statement. In an effort to WP:BEBOLD, I am conducting a copyedit of that section to remove things that I perceive as off-topic or too much detail. I am not well versed in previous discussions about this article, and I will probably remove things that others find important. Please feel free to put information back into the article that I remove, but if you do so please make a note of it below so that it can be discussed further. Thanks. Z1720 ( talk) 02:06, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
As I conducted my copyedit, I noticed some statements that I hope others can help me with. Please see below:
I look forward to reading your comments. Z1720 ( talk) 02:52, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
The article says the bombing of Hiroshima ended ww2, but it didn't end until some days after the second bomb was dropped. Shall I just get rid of "that ended World War II."? Netanyahuserious ( talk) 11:26, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
That sounds much better. Netanyahuserious ( talk) 23:01, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
I really don't saw any correlation between this revert and its description:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/?title=Barack_Obama&oldid=1060011430
Why I can't write this proven fact down to this article? He was born in
Hawaii.
Penjogjoposioćio (
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A "neutrality disputed" tag was recently added to the article by User:X-Editor. The tag says that "Relevant discussion may be found on the talk page". This is the talk page; where is the discussion? What is being challenged so seriously as to need a neutrality tag?
The edit summary that went with this tag referenced the Wikipedia:Featured article review. I took a look at that discussion. Most of it has to do with bloat and attempts to trim the size of the article, focused on the suggestion to split out a separate Post-presidency article. There are also a few (two) comments pointing out instances of possible imbalance or unnecessary detail. Those corrections can be made and some have already been made; FAs do get tweaked as needed. But I don't see any justification for disfiguring a Featured Article with such a tag, which casts a pall of doubt over the whole page - a page which is viewed tens of thousands of times a day. I especially object to it given the absence of any such objection or discussion here at the talk page. I would like to see the tag removed, and I solicit other people's opinions. -- MelanieN ( talk) 15:35, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
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Obama was first elected in 2009. 96.246.90.202 ( talk) 12:57, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
Since the featured article review failed to adequately address the bias and neutrality issues, should we put a neutrality tag on the top of the article? X-Editor ( talk) 01:46, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
The first paragraph of this article states Obama "was the first African-American president of the United States." This is untrue. Barack Obama is a "mulatto" or "bi-racial" person. His mother was white. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CD8B:68F0:10CD:4908:4A0E:8A5C ( talk) 23:58, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
you need to put in something about Obama's comments about a real case of sexual assault that he called fake outrage. On Monday, juvenile court judge Pamela Brooks ruled that the boy - who has not been named - did force himself on the 15-year-old girl on May 28 in the bathroom at Stone Ridge High School in Leesburg, Virginia. He needs to aplolige to parents. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.200.27.9 ( talk) 10:31, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
Any source for this? Dimadick ( talk) 15:51, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
I don't have a strong opinion about whether the content warrants inclusion, but there are at least four problems with the response to the suggestion to include Obama's comments about "fake outrage" and "culture wars" during the historic Virginia 2021 election (in which the candidate that Obama endorsed and campaigned for, Terry McAuliffe, lost surprisingly to Republican Glenn Youngkin in a blue state that Biden won only the year before). The topic is deemed "not significant enough" and represented as "only [covered] in right wing sources". But, the topic is at least worthy of talk discussion, because:
represent all significant viewpoints that have been published by reliable sources, in proportion to the prominence of each viewpoint in the published, reliable sources. Giving due weight and avoiding giving undue weight means articles should not give minority views or aspects as much of or as detailed a description as more widely held views or widely supported aspects. Generally, the views of tiny minorities should not be included at all …
Youngkin’s victory is a kind of road map that other Republicans can use to run successful campaigns over the coming years. To respond effectively, Democrats will have to stop dismissing concerns over curricular “fake outrage.”
Apparently, moms and dads don't like being called terrorists. Nor do they appreciate it when former president Barack Obama shows up at a rally for McAuliffe and accuses them of "fake outrage" and stoking "phony, trumped-up culture wars".
Former president Barack Obama delivered a full-throated endorsement of Virginia's Democratic ticket here Saturday, describing the election next month as determining the future of the state and setting an example for the nation. … Obama also slammed the Republican for fanning "phony trumped-up culture wars" by stoking conservative anger over what's taught in public schools.
Pence criticized former President Barack Obama who said recently while campaigning for McAuliffe that voters should ignore the "fake outrage" and "phony trumped-up culture wars" being promoted on the right, particularly as it relates to the education system. The "outrage isn't fake, it's real," Pence said. "And it's grounded in love for this country and their kids."
Obama also attacked Youngkin for focusing on manufactured outrage over school curricula. "We don't have time to be wasting on these phony trumped-up culture wars, this fake outrage that right-wing media peddles to juice their ratings," he said Saturday. "And the fact that he's willing to go along with it, instead of talking about serious problems that actually affect serious people. That's a shame."
Former President Barack Obama waded into Virgina’s gubernatorial race, criticizing Republican candidate Glenn Youngkin for supporting “phony, trumped-up culture wars” in his bid to flip the state.
What’s more, as McAuliffe’s lead steadily slipped away, top Democrats flashed an inability or unwillingness to take concerns over school curriculum, critical race theory and other matters seriously. “We don’t have time to be wasted on these phony trumped-up culture wars, this fake outrage the right-wing media peddles to juice their ratings,” former President Barack Obama said while campaigning in Virginia on Oct. 23.
The Virginia governor's race has drawn attention even from former President Obama for the presence of what he called "phony culture wars" and "fake outrage" from the right-wing political and media sphere.
Summary: plenty of non-"right wing" reliable sources covered the topic, I haven't even listed all the conservative coverage, which is broad, but even if the sources were only conservative, conservatives do not represent a "tiny minority" so NPOV says we should include these viewpoints, and Obama's position vis-a-vis a historical election in which the candidate he campaigned for lost rather rather noticeably seems worthy of mention, as Obama was also singled out by left-wing sources as having missed the boat on this one.
This exclusion of information based on "only right wing sources" is ironic in an article that seems to have no problem using
WP:HUFFPOST (see Politics entry), or using sources like Politico and The Hill for the post-presidential section, or including a rental home in the Post-presidential section, where this content would fit (The family currently rents a house in Kalorama, Washington, D.C.
), among other examples of what looks like uneven application of standards for inclusion here. And, there is already a sentence in post-Presidential about wokeness and cancel culture, where one little sentence about a glaring Virginia fail would fit.
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Based on the relatively broad range of sourcing provided by SandyGeorgia describing this issue it definitely warrants some mention in this article. Iamreallygoodatcheckers ( talk) 00:22, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
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barack obama was dealing with racism in his childhood 216.185.74.218 ( talk) 17:52, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
Given that the answer leads with "...a section dedicated to criticisms and controversies is no more appropriate than a section dedicated solely to praise and is an indication of a poorly written article," I find that laughable because the page Public image of Barack Obama very much fits the description of an entire article "dedicated solely to praise," since any criticism or controversy is either heavily downplayed or removed outright. Under the "Public Image" section alone, the article heavily suggests that Obama had virtually near-universal support, evidenced from an intentionally misleading subsection that Obama was favored by conservatives before stating in the actual body that only 5-7% supported him (a very small minority).
The article in question could use a lot more objectivity by adding significant controversies and other criticisms to make a more objective approach at his public image rather than heavily slanted praise that this FAQ explicitly states is "an indication of a poorly-written article." By contrast, the page Public image of George W. Bush is the opposite, and is heavily negative (multiple controversies listed), with few positives that are also somewhat downplayed. Devious Diamondback ( talk) 18:37, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
"In mid-1981, Obama traveled to Indonesia to visit his mother and half-sister Maya, and visited the families of college friends in Pakistan and India for three weeks." No source for the India part of the trip in the citations, and this is contradicted by Obama's statement in A Promised Land: "I'd never to India before [this official trip as president], but the country had always held a special place in my imagination." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.13.132.238 ( talk) 12:16, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
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I am a knowledgeable person and would like to add facts about Obama that I know. 25baseball25 ( talk) 16:02, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
@ Nythar, why did you manually archive this page? The bot is set to leave the 4 latest threads independent of age, so people can see the latest discussions, even if it's been awhile. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 08:12, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
Also, per WP:TPO, don't remove other peoples comments from article talkpages. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 19:25, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
Why is one unable to submit words or quotes for person(s)? 75.109.193.4 ( talk) 15:02, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
Why is the Kunduz hospital airstrike mentioned in the lead section, which is supposed to summarize the article, even though it is not even present in the main body? Leontrooper ( talk) 22:40, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
@ SPECIFICO You're going to have to be more specific, what part of BLP are you referring to? X-Editor ( talk) 20:43, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
Im sorry, but is it somehow in dispute that Obama a. ordered the drone strike, and b. ordering the extrajudicial killing of an American citizen was controversial? nableezy - 02:43, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
I support the addition. GoodDay ( talk) 03:36, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
Hello everyone, I was gathering materials for literature review on the past leaders of the United States and something caught my attention on this page. I noticed inconsistency in the IPA used for the transcription of the name-- Barack Obama which I think is inappropriate. To be precise, I observe the the schwa /ә/ is represented in the transcription of "Barack", while in the diphthong which initiates Obama, the schwa is replaced with a different phoneme. That is, instead of /әʊ/, the variant /oʊ/ is used. I think this is rather infelicitous.
I would like to know whether there is a reason for this substitution. Does this substitution have anything to do with the specific guidelines of the Wikipedia? Margob28 ( talk) 03:33, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
Are we able to use the new portrait unveiled today? Nerguy ( talk) 18:36, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
Obama supported Hillary Clinton during the 2016 presidential election, is this worth a mention in the lead of this article? 88.108.44.8 ( talk) 11:27, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
Someone has messed with the opening paragraph, and it now essentially reads “Barack Obama is a Muslim.” Please fix! 2600:6C64:687F:F7AE:2406:D3A1:9365:330E ( talk) 15:16, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
I wonder if this is a cacheing issue -- I still see the vandalism in incognito but not when signed in. Pas28 ( talk) 15:41, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
It used to be on his page. It's something he permitted under his administration, and I'm certain it would be on someone's page if it wasn't Obama who did it. Cawseases ( talk) 15:12, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
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Remove "Hussein" and II from the beginning of the article Tristancapuzzi ( talk) 07:40, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
He is known by his full name more than most former presidents, so I think it's fitting. FreshTec843 ( talk) 04:43, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
I know there is a note stating that the lead sentence should stay as is, but in the end, he IS a New York Times best selling author. If this were just a couple books he wrote and distributed a limited amount of, I'd understand that. But for the sheer number of book sales and how popular they were, I feel like it would make sense to say ".....an author and American politician....". Interested to hear everyone's thoughts. FreshTec843 ( talk) 04:54, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
While his political position undoubtedly helped the popularity of his book sales, 2 of the 3 books were written before he was elected president and one was written before he ever held public office at any level. I acknowledge that you do make some good points of your own on why to leave it be, but I still believe it deserves a little more consideration. FreshTec843 ( talk) 05:50, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
Since he was raised by his English-American mother, isn't it sexist to label him African?
And since his father was Kenyan, isn't it inappropriate to generalize using the African label? 193.242.214.5 ( talk) 01:37, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
As a European I would find it more appropriate to refer to Obama as a person with mixed African and European ancestry or part Black and part White.
By contrast, he is now called an African American as if he were just black. This could be explained by the "one drop rule" from the days of slavery by which a child always picks up the lower race from mixed parents. Who would want to stick to this rule now?
I'm not going to edit it myself as a foreigner, but I woul appreciate some feedback, and maybe a U.S. person can clarify the article on this point.
Aecur ( talk) 15:01, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
The fact Obama campaigned for candidates in the 2018 midterm elections are mentioned in the lead, can it also be added to the lead that he's doing the same in the current midterm elections? 92.15.144.174 ( talk) 00:12, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
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Greetings, i wanted to added several information on Barack Obama's education section by adding State Elementary School Menteng 01. I hope to edit the article for better quality and more information. RANDOM USER2121 ( talk) 03:01, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
How do you have an article on Barack Obama without mentioning Obama's mentor, Penny Pritzker, or the backing of the Pritzker family? Stevenmitchell ( talk) 19:28, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
Because referring to Penny Pritzker as a mentor is a significant stretch. Influential donor, advisor, and campaign strategist whose family certainly provided financial support to Obama's campaign? Yes. Worth a mention somewhere. But she also served as his Commerce Secretary and their history as friends going back to his days as a professor are documented in her article. "Mentor" is not a good choice of word. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.66.8.116 ( talk) 21:43, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
The citation style is currently inconsistent; needs a change to {{ sfn}} with works moved to the bibliography section. It's currently quite hard to find which book supports which statement. DFlhb ( talk) 01:41, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
I find the text " Obama's father, Barack Obama Sr. (1934–1982), was a married Luo Kenyan from Nyang'oma Kogelo" kind of unclear. A reader who sees the father was married to the mother (Dunham) at the time of birth could assume this is in reference this marriage (to Dunham), something rather typical, and not needing three citations. But, of course, it's really referring to the fact that the father didn't divorce his first (Kenyan) wife. Even it was clear in meaning, I think adding an adjective isn't a great way of mentioning the topic. So, we should either have a sentence explicitly stating the marriage situation, or not mention it at all. -- Rob ( talk) 07:05, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
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Í need to edit for someone
This sentence: “ Obama also appointed Supreme Court Justices Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan, the former became the first Hispanic American on the Supreme Court.”
It seems grammatically incorrect to me -- the punctuation should be a semicolon, or there should be a conjunction there. 2405:201:E00B:6E35:A429:8F69:3C87:EAE ( talk) 12:18, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
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TLDR; make the first appearance of the term "African American" the link to that related page.
I was playing wikispeedruns, trying to get from The Times to African-Americans. I did it in 2 clicks, by going through Barack Obama. But, it is only at the 6th time that the term African-American is used, that it is actually a link. I would like to see this changed to the first appearance of the term, like usual. RJTimmerman ( talk) 18:29, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
Not done for now: please establish a
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template. - I agree with this change, and I think it makes sense per wikipedia policy with regard to links - if this term is linked, it should occur on the first usage. HOWEVER - there's already a comment in the lede saying "do not link this," so clearly there is at least one person who disagrees. As such, this is not an uncontroversial change that I can make as a response to an edit request. And the archives for this page are understandably staggering, so the fact that I didn't find any discussion of this specific micro-issue doesn't mean it isn't there.
So... RJTimmerman and I think that the wikilink should be moved to the first occurrence. Other thoughts? PianoDan ( talk) 20:49, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
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Eejit43's suggestion to add the link at the 2nd non-quote use. Still, I think we need to wait a little longer, since this was apparently part of a discussion way back. I'd say if no objections are made within another week, the edit could be implemented; feel free to ping me when you reopen the request
RJTimmerman.
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I think you are wrong about his age. He is only 62 years old not 61 years old. He was born in 1961, and now I found his age in 2023 is 62 years old. Please fix his age. JimiDragon ( talk) 19:23, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
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Obama was a member of the Democrat Party, not democratic. The word democratic is an adjective pertaining to or of the nature of democracy or a democracy. 2601:205:380:5A10:1037:DA00:C529:F681 ( talk) 20:42, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
Is Obama's post-presidency notable enough for a split article? 2.97.212.181 ( talk) 11:35, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
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Obama ethnically isn’t african-american. African-american refers to the decedents of the african slaves brought to the USA. Obama’s father was born in Kenya, therefore the correct term to use for Barrack would either be Kenyan american, or black american. African american≠ black people in america nor can it be used universally to replace black. Considering every black american as african-american is like considering every asian-american as chinese. Easytoremember5712 ( talk) 21:41, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
African-american refers to the decedents of the african slaves brought to the USAis false. – Muboshgu ( talk) 22:25, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
Obama was the first black president. 192.68.163.171 ( talk) 19:54, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
Obama, a member of the Democratic Party, was the first African-American president of the United States, pretty well covers that angle, don't you? General Ization Talk 20:08, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
As per other Presidents’ pages (see George Bush, Bill Clinton etc), I am not sure whether and why it is appropriate to have Obama’s civil rights lawyer career mentioned in the very first para. To my knowledge he was not well known as a civil rights lawyer. Once president, that background became known and important, but hardly more so than Bush’s oil industry background etc. I don’t care whether it’s mentioned or not, just the inconsistency between similar wiki pages is what is irking me. Cbe46 ( talk) 20:21, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
I did notice the Nobel Peace Prize, but I'm curious whether it may be worth discussing this slight discrepancy between ostensibly presented morals and actual behavior. Of course, I ask this in the politest possible manner. I'd like to hope that the decision made by the Nobel Foundation was not in error.
Certainly it can be hard at times to assign Command responsibility. Maybe more experienced editors than me can take a look. Theheezy ( talk) 01:18, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
This is the only president of the United States whose citizenship is listed in the infobox. While this is of course a fact (and also quite obvious... the American president is... American), it really looks like youʼre pandering to the racists. I suggest you remove it. 2600:8800:2C00:BC00:61A6:43BB:1B95:6A51 ( talk) 19:23, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
Obama's page last month said correctly, that he was ranked in the "middle to upper tier of presidents". Now, without consensus, someone changed it to say "upper tier" only. Another editor wrote that on Reagan's page (that puts him in similar placements on the tier list as Barack Obama) - Reagan was "Higher than any President since LBJ except for Obama. In the public opinion polls, in 4 from 2014 to 2018 (by Quinnipiac University & Morning Consult poll), Reagan is at the top in all 4 as 'Best president since World War II'. In the 2021 Gallup poll, among the Presidents from Kennedy to Trump, Reagan's weighted average comes in only behind Kennedy and Obama (and just barely in the case of Obama). So I don't know that there is any basis to say 'his reputation has declined'" Yet, Reagan's page only states that he is in the middle to upper tier of presidents. There is a double standard being held on Wikipedia. Obama is not ranked universally as the top 4 of US Presidents in history and neither is Reagan. Therefore, this current edit needs to be fixed; editors should stop changing edits without consensus. Can the original edit of "middle to upper tier" be restored for Obama? 2600:1700:D090:3250:D4C3:3AE9:8F20:6660 ( talk) 06:11, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
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Change the word 'economists' to a capital letter just under the diagrams in the economic policy section of his presidency Samcast12345 ( talk) 19:59, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
I think that the following sentence During Obama's terms as president, the United States' reputation abroad, as well as the American economy, significantly improved.
should be removed from the last paragraph of the lead. It sounds too subjective and not necessarily in line with other president biographies on en-wiki. There is already sufficient
WP:DUE content in the lead to determine his accomplishments. Is anyone opposed to this?
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In the 198os, Obama wrote a letter talking about himself being "androgynous" and fantasizing about sexual relationship with men when he said he was “mak[ing] love to men daily, but in the imagination” [1] [2] Can we add LGBT tags? 104.255.169.111 ( talk) 22:11, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
While the source may be older, we can't deny that he has or at last had feelings for men that were sexual in the past. Barack Obama himself confirmed this. Also, how would it be against WP:BLP exactly if they are his exact words? 104.152.222.36 ( talk) 22:47, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
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@ ValarianB reverted my edit. Here you can see the before and after of my edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Barack_Obama&diff=1179538461&oldid=1179076229.
Being somewhat new to Wikipedia, I was not sure what to do, and so I went to the Teahouse where I started a discussion here: /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Teahouse#I_improved_the_English_of_part_of_an_article_and_it_was_reverted. and /info/en/?search=User:GoingBatty suggested I start a discussion on the article's talk page and invite the reverter to discuss it.
I would appreciate it if ValarianB would go into some more detail about what is wrong with my edit. "Middle school grammar", which I take to mean the type of grammar taught in middle school, sounds like "correct grammar" to me, so I think I can take that as a compliment.
PS Here is copy of the argument (which I still stand by, except that I would like to add that I will be taking much more care in future with my edit summaries, the importance of which I am now more aware than before) that I made in my OP at the Teahouse:
" About one hour ago, I improved a sentence in /info/en/?search=Barack_Obama by adding a few commas and connecting words, which made it clearer, and more of a pleasure to read, especially if you don't already Obama's life story, in short, much more readable, at the cost of a very few extra characters, IMHO.
But it it got reverted seven minutes later with no attempt at discussion on the Talk page, for allegedly not being an improvement. But after looking again at the edit, I am convinced that my edit was an improvement. Here's a link to the revision history page: https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Barack_Obama&action=history
I think the reverter attaches to much value to the number of characters. Adding a comma does not mean it takes longer to read the sentence. It is how long it takes the reader to read the sentence that counts, not how many characters are in the sentence, as I see it. The reversion, IMHO, is a case of the extreme compression of text, that calls to mind the style of a newspaper headline, where the number of characters really is an issue, or, to use a less extreme example, the style of a newspaper column where the number of characters or "inches" of text is limited. " Polar Apposite ( talk) 22:52, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
How many is "plenty"?, visiting the article and clicking 'Page information' shows: Number of page watchers = 4,132 and Number of page watchers who visited recent edits = 81. A successful editor needs to learn that people are different and will have different opinions. There is no point arguing about every detail and people won't bother. Per the comments above and WP:SILENCE, we assume that the current article has consensus. Johnuniq ( talk) 04:43, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
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Under "Presidential Campaigns - 2008, in the sentence, "On June 2, 2008, Obama had received enough votes to clinch his election.", I would suggest replacing "election" with "nomination", since this was during the primary process and not the general election. PlasticJones ( talk) 07:12, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
It feels odd that this main page on Obama devotes 6 paragraphs to health care reform and the ACA but does not mention the term "Obamacare".
By contrast, the Affordable_Care_Act (ACA) article summary starts with "The Affordable Care Act (ACA), formally known as the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA) and colloquially known as Obamacare, is a landmark U.S. federal statute "; a search for 'Obamacare' redirects to that page. Aliza250 ( talk) 17:43, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
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Obama was biracial (white and black), not African American. He was born in Hawaii. How can he be African? 2601:584:101:B0D0:81F:6831:7064:3DD5 ( talk) 01:09, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
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Hi,
What's the point of Early life and career of Barack Obama when Barack Obama article, goes into such a low-level detail as the "strong likelihood" of whom Obama's mother might be related to? This has zero bearing on Obama himself and should be left in the aforementioned Main Article. In general the entire Early life and career section should be summarized, instead of being a 16 thousand characters of text, all of which overlaps with the Early life and career of Barack Obama. SkywalkerPL ( talk) 07:29, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
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Please add Category:American agnostics. 98.47.36.255 ( talk) 23:19, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
I Find it Weird that his Page is Only Semi-Protected. It should Probably be Extended-Confirmed Protection. This is Because Some Troll User might Change his Birthplace to Kenya or something. 216.87.237.81 ( talk) 22:00, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
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At the beginning of the page, the page reads: "Barack Hussein Obama II (born August 4, 1961), commonly known as Barack Obama is an American politician..." I think that the part saying "commonly known as Barack Obama" should be removed because the page previously said at the start that his name is Barack Obama, but referred to him by his full name of "Barack Hussein Obama II."
Is it just me, or is the IPA audio very quiet. If anyone else says so I'll increase the volume. Coulomb1 ( talk) 02:00, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
The beginning of the article says: "A member of the Democratic Party, he was the first African-American president in U.S. history." I think instead it should read: "As a member of the Democratic Party, he was the first African-American president in U.S. history." 91.136.184.190 ( talk) 20:45, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
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Hi Politicsfan4, let's discuss! I think describing Anwar al-Awlaki as "Yemeni" alone in the lead is misleading to the point of inaccuracy. Awlaki was born in the United States and held American citizenship his whole life. Not only that, but the reason Awlaki's killing is notable enough to be in the lead is because he was American - a number of other prominent Al-Qaeda guys were killed during Obama's tenure, but Awlaki stood out as a US citizen. That was the essence of the considerable controversy over his death. Describing him solely as Yemeni elides that important bit of history. I think "Yemeni-American" would be fine, but I think "American" is best - it doesn't matter what particular second nationality Awlaki was associated with, it matters that he an American suspected terrorist targeted for killing by the US government without trial. Ganesha811 ( talk) 02:16, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
I would like to reconsider the image in the infobox for Obama. There is a similar discussion on Ronald Reagan's talk page here regarding changing the lead image for Reagan. The consensus there seems to favor the current image in the infobox which is his first term official portrait. I would like to know if using the current image which is his official portrait for his second term is still good to use or we should use his first term official portrait. The reason why I'm asking this is that the quality of the images is important to Wikipedia and according to the editors in the discussion I linked above, the older photo is a better quality image than the more recent image. So my question would be is recency important when deciding which photo to use? Interstellarity ( talk) 22:35, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
Pinging @ Politicsfan4: for input about this discussion. Interstellarity ( talk) 14:30, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
Previous discussion at Talk:Barack_Obama/Archive_82#Recent_change_of_leadimage. Pinging participants Johnuniq Fireandblood02 Sundayclose Sean Stephens. It's rather subjective, my preference lands on the newer image. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 16:29, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
I can't figure out current footnote 124 in subsection 1.3.2: "University of Chicago Law School and civil rights attorney". The link to Gray, Steven (September 10, 2008). "Taking professor Obama's class". Time. Retrieved January 30, 2010. is dead, but I can't find the ref! (How annoying!) There's some kind of crazy abbreviated format that doesn't include the name of the author, the date, or the title of the article. Here's the link to the article if somebody who can navigate this format would please insert it into the ref:
http://content.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1835238,00.html
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Does anyone else feel like the "Post-presidency" section has sprawled a bit and could use significant trimming? Therapyisgood ( talk) 02:12, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
I noticed that a recent edit got reverted about Obama's interaction with the Mahabharata and the Ramayana. I think that this is significant for this article as these are major religious books, and thus Obama interacting with them during his childhood would let the reader know about this. I propose adding the following in the same place from where it was reverted:
In his book ‘ A Promised Land’, Obama tells that he spent his childhood years listening to the Ramayana and the Mahabharata. [1] Shakespeare143 ( talk) 22:12, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
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"Debbie Wasserman Schultz was addressed as the purported sender of the packages" should be changed to "Debbie Wasserman Schultz was LISTED as the purported sender of the packages" or alternatively, "The name and address of Debbie Wasserman Schultz were listed on the packages as the purported sender." 73.37.114.76 ( talk) 03:09, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
The introduction refers to "successful military interventions in Iraq and Syria in response to gains made by ISIL after the 2011 withdrawal from Iraq." I believe that "successful" is inappropriate editorializing. Apart from the inherently subjectivity in judging a military action as "successful," these are both ongoing conflicts, so the outcome of U.S. intervention is inconclusive at best. The word is also not used in the text of the article, nor are these interventions characterized as "successful" within the article, meaning that its use in the introduction is inappropriate. I am seeking a thumbs up to remove the word "successful" or an explanation of why it was used or is justified. I understand that any edits to this article will be naturally controversial, so am hoping to be talked out of it. -A-M-B-1996- ( talk) 02:52, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
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I suggest to change "He was born to an American mother of European descent and an African father" into "He was born to an American mother of European descent and a Kenyan father". 31.208.77.183 ( talk) 20:39, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
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contribs 20:48, 3 June 2021 (UTC)One of Barack Obama's residences is on Martha's Vineyard and I was wondering if it was notable enough to add there?
@
Iamreallygoodatcheckers: - you
[2] added to the article: Obama, for his 60th birthday, threw a party on the grounds of his Martha Vineyard mansion. The party had about 700 guests... Did it really? Your NBC Boston source
[3] stated: Obama had originally planned a lavish birthday bash featuring nearly 700 guests and staff...
Your New York Times source
[4] said: Obama’s decision to cut back the reported 475-person guest list (a number that Mr. Obama’s camp never officially confirmed)...
So, is your writing accurate? Which source gives the number of actual attendees?
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Obama is not notable enough as an attorney for it to be in the lead sentence. It's WP:UNDUE. It should only say politician. Iamreallygoodatcheckers ( talk) 02:52, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
What is required for a descriptor or profession to be sufficiently notable? Iluien theIlluminator ( talk) 03:43, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
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Typos and missing words in post presidency section. "Endorsed" missing. "Minister" misspell.
Current:
On October 16, 2019, five days ahead of the Canadian federal election, Obama publicly Canadian Prime Miniter Justin Trudeau and the Liberal Party for re-election 68.162.104.119 ( talk) 00:39, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
Hi watch page editors: at this article's FAR, it was commented that the Post-presidency section was bloated. I agree with that statement. In an effort to WP:BEBOLD, I am conducting a copyedit of that section to remove things that I perceive as off-topic or too much detail. I am not well versed in previous discussions about this article, and I will probably remove things that others find important. Please feel free to put information back into the article that I remove, but if you do so please make a note of it below so that it can be discussed further. Thanks. Z1720 ( talk) 02:06, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
As I conducted my copyedit, I noticed some statements that I hope others can help me with. Please see below:
I look forward to reading your comments. Z1720 ( talk) 02:52, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
The article says the bombing of Hiroshima ended ww2, but it didn't end until some days after the second bomb was dropped. Shall I just get rid of "that ended World War II."? Netanyahuserious ( talk) 11:26, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
That sounds much better. Netanyahuserious ( talk) 23:01, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
I really don't saw any correlation between this revert and its description:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/?title=Barack_Obama&oldid=1060011430
Why I can't write this proven fact down to this article? He was born in
Hawaii.
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A "neutrality disputed" tag was recently added to the article by User:X-Editor. The tag says that "Relevant discussion may be found on the talk page". This is the talk page; where is the discussion? What is being challenged so seriously as to need a neutrality tag?
The edit summary that went with this tag referenced the Wikipedia:Featured article review. I took a look at that discussion. Most of it has to do with bloat and attempts to trim the size of the article, focused on the suggestion to split out a separate Post-presidency article. There are also a few (two) comments pointing out instances of possible imbalance or unnecessary detail. Those corrections can be made and some have already been made; FAs do get tweaked as needed. But I don't see any justification for disfiguring a Featured Article with such a tag, which casts a pall of doubt over the whole page - a page which is viewed tens of thousands of times a day. I especially object to it given the absence of any such objection or discussion here at the talk page. I would like to see the tag removed, and I solicit other people's opinions. -- MelanieN ( talk) 15:35, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
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Obama was first elected in 2009. 96.246.90.202 ( talk) 12:57, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
Since the featured article review failed to adequately address the bias and neutrality issues, should we put a neutrality tag on the top of the article? X-Editor ( talk) 01:46, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
The first paragraph of this article states Obama "was the first African-American president of the United States." This is untrue. Barack Obama is a "mulatto" or "bi-racial" person. His mother was white. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CD8B:68F0:10CD:4908:4A0E:8A5C ( talk) 23:58, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
you need to put in something about Obama's comments about a real case of sexual assault that he called fake outrage. On Monday, juvenile court judge Pamela Brooks ruled that the boy - who has not been named - did force himself on the 15-year-old girl on May 28 in the bathroom at Stone Ridge High School in Leesburg, Virginia. He needs to aplolige to parents. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.200.27.9 ( talk) 10:31, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
Any source for this? Dimadick ( talk) 15:51, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
I don't have a strong opinion about whether the content warrants inclusion, but there are at least four problems with the response to the suggestion to include Obama's comments about "fake outrage" and "culture wars" during the historic Virginia 2021 election (in which the candidate that Obama endorsed and campaigned for, Terry McAuliffe, lost surprisingly to Republican Glenn Youngkin in a blue state that Biden won only the year before). The topic is deemed "not significant enough" and represented as "only [covered] in right wing sources". But, the topic is at least worthy of talk discussion, because:
represent all significant viewpoints that have been published by reliable sources, in proportion to the prominence of each viewpoint in the published, reliable sources. Giving due weight and avoiding giving undue weight means articles should not give minority views or aspects as much of or as detailed a description as more widely held views or widely supported aspects. Generally, the views of tiny minorities should not be included at all …
Youngkin’s victory is a kind of road map that other Republicans can use to run successful campaigns over the coming years. To respond effectively, Democrats will have to stop dismissing concerns over curricular “fake outrage.”
Apparently, moms and dads don't like being called terrorists. Nor do they appreciate it when former president Barack Obama shows up at a rally for McAuliffe and accuses them of "fake outrage" and stoking "phony, trumped-up culture wars".
Former president Barack Obama delivered a full-throated endorsement of Virginia's Democratic ticket here Saturday, describing the election next month as determining the future of the state and setting an example for the nation. … Obama also slammed the Republican for fanning "phony trumped-up culture wars" by stoking conservative anger over what's taught in public schools.
Pence criticized former President Barack Obama who said recently while campaigning for McAuliffe that voters should ignore the "fake outrage" and "phony trumped-up culture wars" being promoted on the right, particularly as it relates to the education system. The "outrage isn't fake, it's real," Pence said. "And it's grounded in love for this country and their kids."
Obama also attacked Youngkin for focusing on manufactured outrage over school curricula. "We don't have time to be wasting on these phony trumped-up culture wars, this fake outrage that right-wing media peddles to juice their ratings," he said Saturday. "And the fact that he's willing to go along with it, instead of talking about serious problems that actually affect serious people. That's a shame."
Former President Barack Obama waded into Virgina’s gubernatorial race, criticizing Republican candidate Glenn Youngkin for supporting “phony, trumped-up culture wars” in his bid to flip the state.
What’s more, as McAuliffe’s lead steadily slipped away, top Democrats flashed an inability or unwillingness to take concerns over school curriculum, critical race theory and other matters seriously. “We don’t have time to be wasted on these phony trumped-up culture wars, this fake outrage the right-wing media peddles to juice their ratings,” former President Barack Obama said while campaigning in Virginia on Oct. 23.
The Virginia governor's race has drawn attention even from former President Obama for the presence of what he called "phony culture wars" and "fake outrage" from the right-wing political and media sphere.
Summary: plenty of non-"right wing" reliable sources covered the topic, I haven't even listed all the conservative coverage, which is broad, but even if the sources were only conservative, conservatives do not represent a "tiny minority" so NPOV says we should include these viewpoints, and Obama's position vis-a-vis a historical election in which the candidate he campaigned for lost rather rather noticeably seems worthy of mention, as Obama was also singled out by left-wing sources as having missed the boat on this one.
This exclusion of information based on "only right wing sources" is ironic in an article that seems to have no problem using
WP:HUFFPOST (see Politics entry), or using sources like Politico and The Hill for the post-presidential section, or including a rental home in the Post-presidential section, where this content would fit (The family currently rents a house in Kalorama, Washington, D.C.
), among other examples of what looks like uneven application of standards for inclusion here. And, there is already a sentence in post-Presidential about wokeness and cancel culture, where one little sentence about a glaring Virginia fail would fit.
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Based on the relatively broad range of sourcing provided by SandyGeorgia describing this issue it definitely warrants some mention in this article. Iamreallygoodatcheckers ( talk) 00:22, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
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barack obama was dealing with racism in his childhood 216.185.74.218 ( talk) 17:52, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
Given that the answer leads with "...a section dedicated to criticisms and controversies is no more appropriate than a section dedicated solely to praise and is an indication of a poorly written article," I find that laughable because the page Public image of Barack Obama very much fits the description of an entire article "dedicated solely to praise," since any criticism or controversy is either heavily downplayed or removed outright. Under the "Public Image" section alone, the article heavily suggests that Obama had virtually near-universal support, evidenced from an intentionally misleading subsection that Obama was favored by conservatives before stating in the actual body that only 5-7% supported him (a very small minority).
The article in question could use a lot more objectivity by adding significant controversies and other criticisms to make a more objective approach at his public image rather than heavily slanted praise that this FAQ explicitly states is "an indication of a poorly-written article." By contrast, the page Public image of George W. Bush is the opposite, and is heavily negative (multiple controversies listed), with few positives that are also somewhat downplayed. Devious Diamondback ( talk) 18:37, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
"In mid-1981, Obama traveled to Indonesia to visit his mother and half-sister Maya, and visited the families of college friends in Pakistan and India for three weeks." No source for the India part of the trip in the citations, and this is contradicted by Obama's statement in A Promised Land: "I'd never to India before [this official trip as president], but the country had always held a special place in my imagination." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.13.132.238 ( talk) 12:16, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
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I am a knowledgeable person and would like to add facts about Obama that I know. 25baseball25 ( talk) 16:02, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
@ Nythar, why did you manually archive this page? The bot is set to leave the 4 latest threads independent of age, so people can see the latest discussions, even if it's been awhile. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 08:12, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
Also, per WP:TPO, don't remove other peoples comments from article talkpages. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 19:25, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
Why is one unable to submit words or quotes for person(s)? 75.109.193.4 ( talk) 15:02, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
Why is the Kunduz hospital airstrike mentioned in the lead section, which is supposed to summarize the article, even though it is not even present in the main body? Leontrooper ( talk) 22:40, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
@ SPECIFICO You're going to have to be more specific, what part of BLP are you referring to? X-Editor ( talk) 20:43, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
Im sorry, but is it somehow in dispute that Obama a. ordered the drone strike, and b. ordering the extrajudicial killing of an American citizen was controversial? nableezy - 02:43, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
I support the addition. GoodDay ( talk) 03:36, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
Hello everyone, I was gathering materials for literature review on the past leaders of the United States and something caught my attention on this page. I noticed inconsistency in the IPA used for the transcription of the name-- Barack Obama which I think is inappropriate. To be precise, I observe the the schwa /ә/ is represented in the transcription of "Barack", while in the diphthong which initiates Obama, the schwa is replaced with a different phoneme. That is, instead of /әʊ/, the variant /oʊ/ is used. I think this is rather infelicitous.
I would like to know whether there is a reason for this substitution. Does this substitution have anything to do with the specific guidelines of the Wikipedia? Margob28 ( talk) 03:33, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
Are we able to use the new portrait unveiled today? Nerguy ( talk) 18:36, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
Obama supported Hillary Clinton during the 2016 presidential election, is this worth a mention in the lead of this article? 88.108.44.8 ( talk) 11:27, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
Someone has messed with the opening paragraph, and it now essentially reads “Barack Obama is a Muslim.” Please fix! 2600:6C64:687F:F7AE:2406:D3A1:9365:330E ( talk) 15:16, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
I wonder if this is a cacheing issue -- I still see the vandalism in incognito but not when signed in. Pas28 ( talk) 15:41, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
It used to be on his page. It's something he permitted under his administration, and I'm certain it would be on someone's page if it wasn't Obama who did it. Cawseases ( talk) 15:12, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
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Remove "Hussein" and II from the beginning of the article Tristancapuzzi ( talk) 07:40, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
He is known by his full name more than most former presidents, so I think it's fitting. FreshTec843 ( talk) 04:43, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
I know there is a note stating that the lead sentence should stay as is, but in the end, he IS a New York Times best selling author. If this were just a couple books he wrote and distributed a limited amount of, I'd understand that. But for the sheer number of book sales and how popular they were, I feel like it would make sense to say ".....an author and American politician....". Interested to hear everyone's thoughts. FreshTec843 ( talk) 04:54, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
While his political position undoubtedly helped the popularity of his book sales, 2 of the 3 books were written before he was elected president and one was written before he ever held public office at any level. I acknowledge that you do make some good points of your own on why to leave it be, but I still believe it deserves a little more consideration. FreshTec843 ( talk) 05:50, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
Since he was raised by his English-American mother, isn't it sexist to label him African?
And since his father was Kenyan, isn't it inappropriate to generalize using the African label? 193.242.214.5 ( talk) 01:37, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
As a European I would find it more appropriate to refer to Obama as a person with mixed African and European ancestry or part Black and part White.
By contrast, he is now called an African American as if he were just black. This could be explained by the "one drop rule" from the days of slavery by which a child always picks up the lower race from mixed parents. Who would want to stick to this rule now?
I'm not going to edit it myself as a foreigner, but I woul appreciate some feedback, and maybe a U.S. person can clarify the article on this point.
Aecur ( talk) 15:01, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
The fact Obama campaigned for candidates in the 2018 midterm elections are mentioned in the lead, can it also be added to the lead that he's doing the same in the current midterm elections? 92.15.144.174 ( talk) 00:12, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
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Greetings, i wanted to added several information on Barack Obama's education section by adding State Elementary School Menteng 01. I hope to edit the article for better quality and more information. RANDOM USER2121 ( talk) 03:01, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
How do you have an article on Barack Obama without mentioning Obama's mentor, Penny Pritzker, or the backing of the Pritzker family? Stevenmitchell ( talk) 19:28, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
Because referring to Penny Pritzker as a mentor is a significant stretch. Influential donor, advisor, and campaign strategist whose family certainly provided financial support to Obama's campaign? Yes. Worth a mention somewhere. But she also served as his Commerce Secretary and their history as friends going back to his days as a professor are documented in her article. "Mentor" is not a good choice of word. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.66.8.116 ( talk) 21:43, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
The citation style is currently inconsistent; needs a change to {{ sfn}} with works moved to the bibliography section. It's currently quite hard to find which book supports which statement. DFlhb ( talk) 01:41, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
I find the text " Obama's father, Barack Obama Sr. (1934–1982), was a married Luo Kenyan from Nyang'oma Kogelo" kind of unclear. A reader who sees the father was married to the mother (Dunham) at the time of birth could assume this is in reference this marriage (to Dunham), something rather typical, and not needing three citations. But, of course, it's really referring to the fact that the father didn't divorce his first (Kenyan) wife. Even it was clear in meaning, I think adding an adjective isn't a great way of mentioning the topic. So, we should either have a sentence explicitly stating the marriage situation, or not mention it at all. -- Rob ( talk) 07:05, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
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Í need to edit for someone
This sentence: “ Obama also appointed Supreme Court Justices Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan, the former became the first Hispanic American on the Supreme Court.”
It seems grammatically incorrect to me -- the punctuation should be a semicolon, or there should be a conjunction there. 2405:201:E00B:6E35:A429:8F69:3C87:EAE ( talk) 12:18, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
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TLDR; make the first appearance of the term "African American" the link to that related page.
I was playing wikispeedruns, trying to get from The Times to African-Americans. I did it in 2 clicks, by going through Barack Obama. But, it is only at the 6th time that the term African-American is used, that it is actually a link. I would like to see this changed to the first appearance of the term, like usual. RJTimmerman ( talk) 18:29, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
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template. - I agree with this change, and I think it makes sense per wikipedia policy with regard to links - if this term is linked, it should occur on the first usage. HOWEVER - there's already a comment in the lede saying "do not link this," so clearly there is at least one person who disagrees. As such, this is not an uncontroversial change that I can make as a response to an edit request. And the archives for this page are understandably staggering, so the fact that I didn't find any discussion of this specific micro-issue doesn't mean it isn't there.
So... RJTimmerman and I think that the wikilink should be moved to the first occurrence. Other thoughts? PianoDan ( talk) 20:49, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
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Eejit43's suggestion to add the link at the 2nd non-quote use. Still, I think we need to wait a little longer, since this was apparently part of a discussion way back. I'd say if no objections are made within another week, the edit could be implemented; feel free to ping me when you reopen the request
RJTimmerman.
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I think you are wrong about his age. He is only 62 years old not 61 years old. He was born in 1961, and now I found his age in 2023 is 62 years old. Please fix his age. JimiDragon ( talk) 19:23, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
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Obama was a member of the Democrat Party, not democratic. The word democratic is an adjective pertaining to or of the nature of democracy or a democracy. 2601:205:380:5A10:1037:DA00:C529:F681 ( talk) 20:42, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
Is Obama's post-presidency notable enough for a split article? 2.97.212.181 ( talk) 11:35, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
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Obama ethnically isn’t african-american. African-american refers to the decedents of the african slaves brought to the USA. Obama’s father was born in Kenya, therefore the correct term to use for Barrack would either be Kenyan american, or black american. African american≠ black people in america nor can it be used universally to replace black. Considering every black american as african-american is like considering every asian-american as chinese. Easytoremember5712 ( talk) 21:41, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
African-american refers to the decedents of the african slaves brought to the USAis false. – Muboshgu ( talk) 22:25, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
Obama was the first black president. 192.68.163.171 ( talk) 19:54, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
Obama, a member of the Democratic Party, was the first African-American president of the United States, pretty well covers that angle, don't you? General Ization Talk 20:08, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
As per other Presidents’ pages (see George Bush, Bill Clinton etc), I am not sure whether and why it is appropriate to have Obama’s civil rights lawyer career mentioned in the very first para. To my knowledge he was not well known as a civil rights lawyer. Once president, that background became known and important, but hardly more so than Bush’s oil industry background etc. I don’t care whether it’s mentioned or not, just the inconsistency between similar wiki pages is what is irking me. Cbe46 ( talk) 20:21, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
I did notice the Nobel Peace Prize, but I'm curious whether it may be worth discussing this slight discrepancy between ostensibly presented morals and actual behavior. Of course, I ask this in the politest possible manner. I'd like to hope that the decision made by the Nobel Foundation was not in error.
Certainly it can be hard at times to assign Command responsibility. Maybe more experienced editors than me can take a look. Theheezy ( talk) 01:18, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
This is the only president of the United States whose citizenship is listed in the infobox. While this is of course a fact (and also quite obvious... the American president is... American), it really looks like youʼre pandering to the racists. I suggest you remove it. 2600:8800:2C00:BC00:61A6:43BB:1B95:6A51 ( talk) 19:23, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
Obama's page last month said correctly, that he was ranked in the "middle to upper tier of presidents". Now, without consensus, someone changed it to say "upper tier" only. Another editor wrote that on Reagan's page (that puts him in similar placements on the tier list as Barack Obama) - Reagan was "Higher than any President since LBJ except for Obama. In the public opinion polls, in 4 from 2014 to 2018 (by Quinnipiac University & Morning Consult poll), Reagan is at the top in all 4 as 'Best president since World War II'. In the 2021 Gallup poll, among the Presidents from Kennedy to Trump, Reagan's weighted average comes in only behind Kennedy and Obama (and just barely in the case of Obama). So I don't know that there is any basis to say 'his reputation has declined'" Yet, Reagan's page only states that he is in the middle to upper tier of presidents. There is a double standard being held on Wikipedia. Obama is not ranked universally as the top 4 of US Presidents in history and neither is Reagan. Therefore, this current edit needs to be fixed; editors should stop changing edits without consensus. Can the original edit of "middle to upper tier" be restored for Obama? 2600:1700:D090:3250:D4C3:3AE9:8F20:6660 ( talk) 06:11, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
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Change the word 'economists' to a capital letter just under the diagrams in the economic policy section of his presidency Samcast12345 ( talk) 19:59, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
I think that the following sentence During Obama's terms as president, the United States' reputation abroad, as well as the American economy, significantly improved.
should be removed from the last paragraph of the lead. It sounds too subjective and not necessarily in line with other president biographies on en-wiki. There is already sufficient
WP:DUE content in the lead to determine his accomplishments. Is anyone opposed to this?
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In the 198os, Obama wrote a letter talking about himself being "androgynous" and fantasizing about sexual relationship with men when he said he was “mak[ing] love to men daily, but in the imagination” [1] [2] Can we add LGBT tags? 104.255.169.111 ( talk) 22:11, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
While the source may be older, we can't deny that he has or at last had feelings for men that were sexual in the past. Barack Obama himself confirmed this. Also, how would it be against WP:BLP exactly if they are his exact words? 104.152.222.36 ( talk) 22:47, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
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@ ValarianB reverted my edit. Here you can see the before and after of my edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Barack_Obama&diff=1179538461&oldid=1179076229.
Being somewhat new to Wikipedia, I was not sure what to do, and so I went to the Teahouse where I started a discussion here: /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Teahouse#I_improved_the_English_of_part_of_an_article_and_it_was_reverted. and /info/en/?search=User:GoingBatty suggested I start a discussion on the article's talk page and invite the reverter to discuss it.
I would appreciate it if ValarianB would go into some more detail about what is wrong with my edit. "Middle school grammar", which I take to mean the type of grammar taught in middle school, sounds like "correct grammar" to me, so I think I can take that as a compliment.
PS Here is copy of the argument (which I still stand by, except that I would like to add that I will be taking much more care in future with my edit summaries, the importance of which I am now more aware than before) that I made in my OP at the Teahouse:
" About one hour ago, I improved a sentence in /info/en/?search=Barack_Obama by adding a few commas and connecting words, which made it clearer, and more of a pleasure to read, especially if you don't already Obama's life story, in short, much more readable, at the cost of a very few extra characters, IMHO.
But it it got reverted seven minutes later with no attempt at discussion on the Talk page, for allegedly not being an improvement. But after looking again at the edit, I am convinced that my edit was an improvement. Here's a link to the revision history page: https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Barack_Obama&action=history
I think the reverter attaches to much value to the number of characters. Adding a comma does not mean it takes longer to read the sentence. It is how long it takes the reader to read the sentence that counts, not how many characters are in the sentence, as I see it. The reversion, IMHO, is a case of the extreme compression of text, that calls to mind the style of a newspaper headline, where the number of characters really is an issue, or, to use a less extreme example, the style of a newspaper column where the number of characters or "inches" of text is limited. " Polar Apposite ( talk) 22:52, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
How many is "plenty"?, visiting the article and clicking 'Page information' shows: Number of page watchers = 4,132 and Number of page watchers who visited recent edits = 81. A successful editor needs to learn that people are different and will have different opinions. There is no point arguing about every detail and people won't bother. Per the comments above and WP:SILENCE, we assume that the current article has consensus. Johnuniq ( talk) 04:43, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
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Under "Presidential Campaigns - 2008, in the sentence, "On June 2, 2008, Obama had received enough votes to clinch his election.", I would suggest replacing "election" with "nomination", since this was during the primary process and not the general election. PlasticJones ( talk) 07:12, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
It feels odd that this main page on Obama devotes 6 paragraphs to health care reform and the ACA but does not mention the term "Obamacare".
By contrast, the Affordable_Care_Act (ACA) article summary starts with "The Affordable Care Act (ACA), formally known as the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA) and colloquially known as Obamacare, is a landmark U.S. federal statute "; a search for 'Obamacare' redirects to that page. Aliza250 ( talk) 17:43, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
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Obama was biracial (white and black), not African American. He was born in Hawaii. How can he be African? 2601:584:101:B0D0:81F:6831:7064:3DD5 ( talk) 01:09, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
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What's the point of Early life and career of Barack Obama when Barack Obama article, goes into such a low-level detail as the "strong likelihood" of whom Obama's mother might be related to? This has zero bearing on Obama himself and should be left in the aforementioned Main Article. In general the entire Early life and career section should be summarized, instead of being a 16 thousand characters of text, all of which overlaps with the Early life and career of Barack Obama. SkywalkerPL ( talk) 07:29, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
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Please add Category:American agnostics. 98.47.36.255 ( talk) 23:19, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
I Find it Weird that his Page is Only Semi-Protected. It should Probably be Extended-Confirmed Protection. This is Because Some Troll User might Change his Birthplace to Kenya or something. 216.87.237.81 ( talk) 22:00, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
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38.81.150.88 ( talk) 02:25, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
At the beginning of the page, the page reads: "Barack Hussein Obama II (born August 4, 1961), commonly known as Barack Obama is an American politician..." I think that the part saying "commonly known as Barack Obama" should be removed because the page previously said at the start that his name is Barack Obama, but referred to him by his full name of "Barack Hussein Obama II."
Is it just me, or is the IPA audio very quiet. If anyone else says so I'll increase the volume. Coulomb1 ( talk) 02:00, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
The beginning of the article says: "A member of the Democratic Party, he was the first African-American president in U.S. history." I think instead it should read: "As a member of the Democratic Party, he was the first African-American president in U.S. history." 91.136.184.190 ( talk) 20:45, 7 February 2024 (UTC)