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{{ editsemiprotected}} Under 'Geogrpahy' tab for the page on 'Afghanistan', the text "Tajikistan, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan border Afghanistan to the north, Iran to the west, Pakistan to the south and the People's Republic of China to the east." should be changed to read "Tajikistan, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan border Afghanistan to the north, Iran to the west, Pakistan to the south, India to the south east and the People's Republic of China to the east." This is because the disputed territory of Jammu & Kashmir, currently administered by Pakistan but claimed by India, borders Afghanistan. For political correctness, the edited text should be used. Vaidyanathanramani ( talk) 07:06, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
What India claims or does not claim has got nothing to do with reality of borders. Kashmir is a disputed territory (including the Indian administered area- from which they are connecting borders)- Putting some ones claim on the opening paragraph is ridiculous. Secondly, according to International Laws, Durand line IS the border between Afghanistan & Pakistan as successor states claim boundaries according to the U.N law. There is no international backing of this far-right claim in the world. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.136.250.4 ( talk) 22:09, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
Ahmed shahi ( talk) 15:50, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
Ahmed shahi ( talk) 18:06, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
Ahmed shahi ( talk) 21:51, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
I have fully protected this article for 1 month. I have no knowledge of this subject, so do not know who is correct and who is incorrect (hence why I just protected the version of the article as it currently stands, not knowing which version is the "correct" one).
Please discuss the issues here, and when you have decided on what should/should not be in the article, please leave a {{ editprotected}} request on this page. -- PhantomSteve/ talk| contribs\ 14:15, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
Ahmed shahi ( talk) 14:38, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
Ahmed shahi ( talk) 15:39, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
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There should be a inclusion of the Indian Mauryan Empire in the 2nd intro. paragraph. I am a Buddhist from Afghanistan and was forced to flee because of the Talibans in 1990s, this is a very important part of our history. Afghanistan was greatly influenced by the Indian Mauryan Empire and the religion that it brought. For some reason, the Muslim world does not want to recognize the other religions that influenced the region apart from Islam. For example, the Talibans destroyed the Buddhas of Bamyan in the Hazarajat region of central Afghanistan. Bamyan was part of the kingdom of Gandhara. It was the site of several Buddhist monasteries, and a thriving center for religion, philosophy, and Indian subcontinent art. It was a Buddhist religious site from the 2nd century up to the time of the Islamic invasion in the 9th century. Afghanistan was a very peaceful country but there has been a constant effort by the Muslim world to erase that past. I request the administrator to - PLEASE Don't erase our Past.
As an Afghan Minority this is very important to us. Thanks.
98.28.172.69 ( talk) 14:33, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
Ahmed shahi ( talk) 14:46, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
Agreed.. there were many Indian Empires that influenced the region but the Mauryan Empire was the crucial one since under Chandragupta, the Mauryan Empire conquered the trans-Indus region, which was under Macedonian rule. Chandragupta then defeated the invasion led by Seleucus I, a Greek general from Alexander's army. Under Chandragupta and his successors, both internal and external trade, and agriculture and economic activities, all thrived and expanded across India thanks to the creation of a single and efficient system of finance, administration and security
If the article mentions Alexander and other empire why exclude the Mauryans?? And one more thing its only one word that needs to be included and thats '''MAURYANS'''. I am not telling to give a history on it, if you are mentioning other empires why exclude the Mauryans??
Ahmed shahi ( talk) 15:44, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
Buddhist kingdoms and empires in Afghanistan have been included in the introduction. Kushans are responsible for the much great development of Buddhism in Afghanistan; and the product of their civilization is the Buddha Statues of Bamyan. Unlike other heterogeneous buddhist dynasties such as Indo-Greeks, Indo-Scythians and Indo-Parthians, Kushans spread the Buddhism in Afghanistan. However, Mauryans ruled mostly the southern parts of Afghanistan, and they did not conquer beyond the Hindu Kush mountains. During the presence of Mauryans in southern Afghanistan, Seleucids and Greco-Bactrians were present in the major parts of Bactria and their civilization (religion and language) were dominant in the region. Mauryans may have or do have a large importance in Indian and Pakistani territories, but their influence in Afghanistan is not significant. There are many other empires and dynasties which deserve more than Mauryans to be mentioned in the Introduction. You added some information on the Mauryans in the History section, no one removed it (except for the very details which were irrelevent), but adding Mauryans in the Intro is irrelevent. Ariana ( talk) 17:04, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
Buddhism in Afghanistan has a long history of thousands of years. Many monuments, such as the famous Buddhas of Bamyan, testify to the Buddhist culture in Afghanistan. It was during Ashoka The Great reign that Buddhism was introduced to what later became Afghanistan. Kanishka (120 to 160 B.C.) was a Buddhist who built many stupas. Many of the Iranian forebearers of the Pashtuns, including the Scythians followed Buddhism until the arrival of Islam. Hinduism in Afghanistan dates back to the Vedic periods when small areas of the country shared a common culture with India. Along with Buddhism and Zoroastrianism, Hinduism was practiced but to in much smaller numbers. Afghanistan gradually converted to Islam with the advent of Islam. The Mahabharata, a sacred text amongst the Hindus, mentions about King Shakuni who was the ruler of Kandahar region in Afghanistan[3]. The Kushanas worshipped Hindu gods as well as Buddha and local deities [4]. Some of them like Vasudeva were named after Hindu gods and heroes. The Shahi rulers of Afghanistan followed Hinduism and also supported Buddhism. The Shahi king Khingala installed one of the earliest Ganesha images, which was found in Gerdez. There are Hindu populations in major cities of Afghanistan. The Hindu-Sikh population in Afghanistan in 1990 was estimated to number around 30,000. Afghan Hindus and Afghan Sikhs often share places of worship. The main ethnic groups in Afghanistan which practice Hinduism are the Punjabis, and Sindhis who came as merchants to the region within the last few centuries. Along with Sikhs, they are all collectively known as the Hindki.Linguistic demographics among the Hindu community are diverse and generally follow regional origins: those hailing from Punjab generally speak Punjabi, Sindhis speak Sindhi, Kabulis and Kandharis speak both Pashto and the northern and southern dialects of Hindk. The Afghan Hindu community in Afghanistan is mostly based in the cities of Kabul and Kandahar. The Loya Jirga has two seats reserved for Hindus. More so than other ethnic groups, Afghan Hindus have fled to Pakistan and the West to escape religious persecution from the Taliban or to improve their economic well-being.
This is all due to the Mauryans, at least there are still Afghan sikhs and Hindus presently living in Kabul and Kandahar and some in Pakistan. WHERE ARE THE GREEKS????? apart from being bankrupt in Europe. So If you ask an Afghni he or she will relate to Indian Subcontinent rather than Greek. So If you are going to mention Alexander the Great, I think the Indians are also due their Credit.
Buddhism spread slowly in India until the time of the Mauryan emperor Ashoka, who was a public supporter of the religion. The support of Aśoka and his descendants led to the construction of more stūpas (Buddhist religious memorials) and to efforts to spread Buddhism throughout the enlarged Maurya empire and even into neighboring lands—particularly to the Iranian-speaking regions of Afghanistan and Central Asia, beyond the Mauryas' northwest border, and to the island of Sri Lanka south of India. These two missions, in opposite directions, would ultimately lead, in the first case to the spread of Buddhism into China, and in the second case, to the emergence of Theravāda Buddhism and its spread from Sri Lanka to the coastal lands of Southeast Asia consisting of Burma (Myanmar), Cambodia, Laos, Thailand, Vietnam and Peninsular Malaysia while the maritime section consists of Brunei, East Malaysia, East Timor, Indonesia, Papua New Guinea, the Philippines, and Singapore. The Indians don't like to brag about thier infulence in the world history. As Hu Shih, former Ambassador of China to USA said: India conquered And dominated China culturally for 20 centuries without ever having to send a single soldier across her border. So All I am saying if you mention Alexander just add two more word Indian Mauryans -which rulers adopted Bhuddism as a state religion and influenced the region culturally and economically.
Request disabled because i cannot see a clear consensus for a specific change. — TheDJ ( talk • contribs) 21:39, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
So If there is a mention of Alexander, I think Chandragupta should be mentioned too. or don't mention it It seems that you need to stroke your ego much more than an afghani. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.28.172.69 ( talk) 01:11, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
The intro should mention the
Maurya Empire something like this: The land has witnessed various invasions since antiquity, including by Alexander the Great and his Macedonian army,
Buddhist
Mauryans, Muslim Abbasids, Mongols and others.
These are worth mentioning because they brought new cultures or religions into Afghanistan. The
Kushan Empire did not introduce Buddhism and they were not invaders but a local kingdom. And, User:Ariana310 is once again making the list of local dynasties in the intro too long when it suppose to be short naming only 3 or 4 most popular local kingdoms. It even falsely includes the
Hephthalites (which was added in the list by User:Tajik) as a kingdom that rose to power in Afghanistan, this is wrong because they are mentioned in all sources as invaders to Afghanistan. I don't need to show evidence you can read anywhere and see for yourself. This is another example of User:Tajik who has no real knowledge about Afghanistan's history.
Ahmed shahi (
talk) 08:12, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
I would agree with you on removing the Hephthalites from the Intro in order to have a short listing. You should not mix up Greco-Bactrians with Seleucids. It was Seleucids who were the direct descendants of Alexander the Great's army. Greco-Bactrians are important to be mentioned.
We should add Muslim conquests; not mentioning the name of the caliphate (Umayyad or Abbasids).
Babur was NOT a Kabuli. He lived almost 20 years of his early life in Farghana and Samarkand. During the next 20 years (between 1504 and 1525), he did not live continuously in Kabul either. He was in move for capturing Herat, and re-conquering Samarkand and Bukhara. He might have stayed a couple of years, but not for a long time. We don't have any good reason to call him a Kabuli, or to call his empire a local empire. Ariana ( talk) 17:06, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
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Ahmed shahi ( talk) 19:53, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
“ | " Bābur, a descendant of Genghis Khan and Timur, had made Kabul the capital of an independent principality in 1504. He captured Kandahār in 1522, and in 1526 he marched on Delhi. He defeated Ibrāhīm, the last of the Lodī Afghan kings of India, and established the Mughal Empire, which lasted until the middle of the 19th century and included all of eastern Afghanistan south of the Hindu Kush. The capital was at Agra. Nine years after his death in 1530, the body of Bābur was taken to Kabul for burial." (source: [8]) | ” |
“ | "Kabul was the capital (1504–26) of the Mughal dynasty, under Bābur, and it remained under Mughal rule until 1738..." (source: [9]) | ” |
Ahmed shahi ( talk) 13:21, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
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I have tagged the history sections from around the 1980s to recent 2010 because it all reads like a blog. Someone needs to re-write this stuff like an encyclopedia. I feel that User:JCAla, User:Tajik, and User:Cabolitae should not remove the tags since they belong to the same particular group.-- Jrkso ( talk) 12:50, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
Don't always start a new section for the same discussion, Jrkso. We were discussing it here. The "appropriate tone" has been worked on extensively. So, we should be able to remove this tag also. Jrkso is the only one to constantly contemplate. After several demands from other editors for Jrkso to provide specific issues he wants to contest, he has not provided even one. JCAla ( talk) 19 November 2010 (UTC)
I'd have thought a lot the history section here was a bit too detailed and much of it should be factored out to the History of Afghanistan and History of Afghanistan since 1992 and what's here should mainly be the lead sections of those articles. Dmcq ( talk) 14:28, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
The disruptive User:Tajik is removing a dubious tag and the disruptive User:JCAla is making too many repeated Wikilinks in the same area of the section. The statement below found in Afghanistan#Etymology must be verified or removed. Tajik has argued last month extensively about needing verifiable sources for the Alexander letter but now he's trying to say that verifying things isn't important. [10]
Tajik also states that Hudud al-'alam is not a travel literature, then what is it?-- Jrkso ( talk) 20:18, 3 December 2010 (UTC)Pull out your sword and slay any one, that says Pashtun and Afghan are not one! Arabs know this and so do Romans: Afghans are Pashtuns, Pashtuns are Afghans! Source: extract from "Passion of the Afghan" by Khushal Khan Khattak; translated by C. Biddulph in "Afghan Poetry Of The 17th Century: Selections from the Poems of Khushal Khan Khattak", London, 1890.
Please see Wikipedia:Link rot for guidelines on dealing with links that no longer work. Removing them is not the automatic option. Dmcq ( talk) 09:21, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
CIA lists "languages spoken in Afghanistan" but all other references are talking about "native speakers". Most sources, such as Encyclopædia Iranica, Encyclopedia Britannica, SIL International ( Ethnologue), and others give the following estimates for native speakers of Dari and Pashto.
About one-third of the population of Afghanistan, i.e., about 5,000,000 people, speak Dari. It is the primary language of the Tadzhik, Hạzāra, and Chahar Aimak peoples. [2]
-- Lagoo sab ( talk) 23:56, 19 December 2010 (UTC)Paṧtō (1) is the native tongue of 50 to 55 percent of Afghans... [1]
The people of Afghanistan form a complex mosaic of ethnic and linguistic groups. Pashto and Persian ( Dari), both Indo-European languages, are the official languages of the country. More than two-fifths of the population speak Pashto, the language of the Pashtuns, while about half speak some dialect of Persian. While the Afghan dialect of Persian is generally termed “Dari,” a number of dialects are spoken among the Tajik, Ḥazāra, Chahar Aimak, and Kizilbash peoples, including dialects that are more closely akin to the Persian spoken in Iran (Farsi) or the Persian spoken in Tajikistan (Tajik). The Dari and Tajik dialects contain a number of Turkish and Mongolian words, and the transition from one dialect into another across the country is often imperceptible. Bilingualism is fairly common, and the correlation of language to ethnic group is not always exact. Some non-Pashtuns, for instance, speak Pashto, while a larger number of Pashtuns, particularly in urban areas, have adopted the use of one of the dialects of Persian.
I have quoted Britannica as my reference so that the Wikipedia community can understand my point. The mention of "larger number of Pashtuns, particularly in urban areas, have adopted the use of one of the dialects of Persian" is saying that many Pashtuns who live in cities use the Dari language, although Pashto is still their native tongue. These native Pashto-speaking Pashtuns are counted in CIA's 50% Dari, but in the other list it is showing percentage of native speakers of Pashto, not the numbers of speakers.-- Lagoo sab ( talk) 09:34, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
I am about to request a 3O again. Right now the section is a concise overview. All the additional sources, numbers and percentages are not needed as they differ not that much. Especially considering the last two surveys. If editors want to expand, expand in the main language lemma instead of here. If there is going to be constant reverting, I will again give two versions and request 3O. Please explain why you feel that there needs to be more in the section. Chartinael ( talk) 11:57, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
In the 1960s, 1970s and 1980s several major sources explained that Pashto is 50-55% and Dari 25-35% in Afghanistan. [19] The CIA Factbook's estimates in 1990 and 1991 stated "Pashto 50% and Afghan Persian (Dari) 35%". Then all of a sudden the following year in 1992 this was changed to "Afghan Persian (Dari) 50% and Pashto 35%". Since 1992 to the current 2010 version it hasn't been changed back or provide with an explanation why that occurred, click every year below for details.
Since CIA Factbook has a major flaw, we need to cite all reliable sources (including this and this from UCLA International Institute: Center for World Languages as well as this and this) in the article so it can be considered fair and balanced.-- Lagoo sab ( talk) 18:43, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
Lagoo sab, what is this about?! Can't you just stop for a while until the discussion is over?! Why can't you just be honest to yourself? At Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Question you were told by others to keep cool and to try to find a consensus. Everyone agrees that your edits are POV and that you are cherry picking the sources that suit your POV. If you disagree, why can't you just tag the section instead of deleting reliable sources and restoring your own cherry picked POV version?! Your behavior is very unhelpful and very tiring! And I am sure that most of the users in here agree with me! Tajik ( talk) 02:31, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
FYI - the next person in the locus of this dispute who makes use of an ad hominem or assumes bad faith for another editor (e.g., "You are neither interested in nor willing to accept a consensus" or an accusation of sockpuppetry) instead of talking about the content and/or a way to compromise, on this or any other of the Afghanistan-language related pages, will be blocked for violating WP:NPA. Thank you. Magog the Ogre ( talk) 03:30, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
Let us look at those sources again. Last time.
The following five sources should thus be included in the table:
Agree? JCAla ( talk) 23 December 2010 (UTC)
We now have my interesting opinion and Lagoo sab's interesting opinion. Anyone else? ... so that an editor consent of some sort can be created.
Sources already agreed on WP:RS to keep are:
Sources generally accepted on wikipedia:
Sources to keep or not to keep are:
For now I have said everything that I had to say about this issue. JCAla ( talk) 23 December 2010 (UTC)
Sorry guys for being absent this morning, had to do some christmas shopping. Needless to say, I so agree with Tajik, JCLA and Dmcq. I disagree with Magog calling Tajik's statement a PA. छातीऀनाएल - chartinael ( talk) 12:02, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
Can we reach an consensus on the below table to be used? (Simply state "yes" or "no".) The most recent sources available have been used (all sources are from 2000+ - only Britannica I am not so sure of). All these sources will probably be considered reliable on wikipedia.
Language (most recent estimates) | Afghan Government Estimates | Library of Congress | Columbia University Gulf Project | Encyclopaedia Britannica | Concise Encyclopedia |
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Dari Persian | 50 % | 50 % | over 50 % | 50 % | n. a. |
Pashto | 35 % | 35 % | over 25 % | 40 % | 60 % |
Uzbek and Turkmen | 11 % | 11 % | n. a. | n. a. | n. a. |
30 minority languages | 4 % | n. a. | n. a. | n. a. | n. a. |
Sources not used are:
In order to include Lagoo sab's point of view I propose a short text passage mentioning the historic numbers of a reliable sources, namely Encyclopaedia Iranica. The text could be something like: According to most recent sources today Dari Persian serves as the first language for a majority of Afghans. (see table) According to Encyclopaedia Iranica in the past Pashto served as the first language for a majority of Afghans. Encyclopaedia Iranica basing its estimates on research done in the 1960s and the 1980s stated that Pashto "is the native tongue of 50 to 55 percent of Afghans". JCAla ( talk) 24 December 2010 (UTC)
Experts in 1985 provided various estimates of the country’s population: all of these estimates were, of course, based on the earlier censuses. The Population Reference Bureau, a respected nonprofit agency in Washington, D.C., estimated the population at 14.7 million people, including refugees, whereas the United States Bureau of the Census used the same figure of 14.7 million but excluded refugees. The Population Reference Bureau’s figure is significantly lower than the Afghan government’s 1983 estimate of 15.5 million...
...within the national society the term Afghan usually refers specifically to a Pashto (or Pakhtu) speaker who is recognized as a member of one of the several Pashtun tribes (see Ethnicity and Tribe, ch. 2). An estimated 50 percent of the population-and reportedly over 50 percent of the refugees-are Pashtuns. The royal families from 1747 to 1973 were Pashtuns, and Babrak Karmal, who was installed as president by the Soviets in 1979 and who remained in nominal power in 1986, was a Pashtun. Although the figures were actually guesses, some observers suggested that Tajiks account for about 25 percent of the population and Uzbeks and Hazaras for about 9 percent each. Baluch, Turkmen, and other small ethnic groups compose the remainder (see fig. 5). The mother tongue of about half the population is Pashtu; Dari (Afghan Farsi or Persian) is the first language of about 35 percent...
_#_Language: Pashtu 50%, Afghan Persian (Dari) 35%, Turkic languages (primarily Uzbek and Turkmen) 11%, 30 minor languages (primarily Balochi and Pashai) 4%; much bilingualism
Name of language | Pre-1992 | 1992-present | Mehrdad Izady | UCLA | Concise Encyclopedia |
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Dari (Persian) | 35 % | 50 % | 50 % | 25 % | n. a. |
Pashto | 50 % | 35 % | over a quarter | 50 % | 60 % |
Uzbek and Turkmen | 11 % | 11 % | n. a. | n. a. | n. a. |
Other | 4 % | 4 % | n. a. | n. a. | n. a. |
Suggestion: We keep only the CIA Factbook 2010 numbers (and update the numbers whenever needed, based on the newest version of the Factbook) and 2 polls from Afghanistan (until newer survey numbers are published). All other sources will be removed and/or moved to the article Languages of Afghanistan where they will be listed in a NPOV manner. If you support this suggestion, please sign below.
As a temporary solution I changed the language section to as neutral as possible. I reduced the table to CIA World Factbook and Library of Congress only because of the agreement above and because the same sources were also used in the ethnicity section. JCAla ( talk) 27 December 2010 (UTC)
I think the sentence represents the sources at hand which were discussed above. It also includes the older sources in a way. But, I don't mind if the sentence is in the section or not. JCAla ( talk) 30 December 2010 (UTC)
This information is for sure wrong. The birth of current Afghanistan was in 1983 under Abdurrahman Khan when his british master and the czaristic Russia had drawn it´s borders. Officialy, Afghanistan´s creation was in 1911, unofficialy in 1919 with the independance from the British Empire. Someone should change this part which is only claimed by Pashtun nationalists.-- 188.107.12.104 ( talk) 10:42, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
@Lagoo Sab/@Nisarkand how comes you NOW use sources from Dupree and other european scholars to manifest your claims? On articles like Ghaznavids, Ghurids, Persian, Dari you were insulting them and calling them as unreliable. But now you use their sources to support your own claims and that of Pashtuns Daud Khan? Interesting-- 188.107.12.104 ( talk) 10:53, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
Hello,
Ibn Batuta´s statement was uncorrectly translated. His saying about Afghans has not been understood correctly. In the original Arabic tradition, he uses بَلَد which can means state or land, but not city. If he meaned the city, he had used بَلْدَة. Today, we would say Afghanistaniyya al-balad (the state of Afghanistan). In Cairo we have some copies of his writings. I could try to get a dublicate and upload it here. He meaned a state lying between Kabul and Peshauar and not a city or Kabul self. 62.119.28.111 ( talk) 11:48, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
The overwhelming majority of our articles about nations begin with the most commonly used name of the country (usually the article's title), and list the official name second. WP:PLACE states that this is the prefered style. I started a disussion about this at Wikipedia talk:MOS, and there doesn't seem to be a consensus. As such, I am adressing the articles that list the official name first one at a time. Is there any objection to beginning this article: "Afghanistan, (officially the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan),..."? Joefromrandb ( talk) 01:12, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
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Islamic Republic of Afghanistan
د افغانستان اسلامي جمهوریت
(Pashto: Da Afġānistān Islāmī Jomhoriyat)
جمهوری اسلامی افغانستان
(Persian: Jomhūrī-ye Eslāmī-ye Afġānistān)
Thanhas (
talk) 02:39, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
HELLO,
The majority of Afghanistan ARE pashtoon's and the first national language is Pashto, so just replease the lines above, for your kind info please check this link to know the reality,
http://www.worldpassports.org/asia/images/passportAfganistan.jpg
THANKS
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The link you give does not meet our reliable source guidelines, so you'll need to provide a reliable source to add that. In any event, the ordering of the languages doesn't imply that one is more important than the other. If there were a convincing reason to change (like the order right now doesn't have a good reason, and you had an RS to support Pashto being the majority), though, I guess it could be changed. If you do find a reliable source, please make a new edit request. Qwyrxian ( talk) 05:32, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
For example, Mughals were not from Afghanistan. Mughal Babur was from Farghana which is in modern day Uzbekistan, Tadjikistan. He made pillars from heads of modern day Afghons. Please don't ruin credibility of wikipedia because some inferiority complexed tribes want to fake their history. Also Ghaznavids were Turks not Afghan either, so is the case with Ghauris and Safavids. So please correct where it says it was source, as they were mainly invaded and defeated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.197.166.139 ( talk) 06:30, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
Afghanistan was a totally hindu country but nowhere in wikipedia it is mentioned.Why it is so afghanistan's captital Kandhar which mispronunciation of the Sanskrit term “Gandhar” which was the capital of a flourishing ancient Hindu kingdom. And this "Gandhar" names comes from the wife of King Dhritarastra who's wife name was Gandhari and it was her maternal place.It was a totally hindu country at that time and all the religion develop later invade bharat or hindu society because these was full of peace,fertile soil,prosper culture but newly develop religion were in desert and full of cruelty.Later afghanistan was invade by arab muslims,turk and mongols.Afghanistan people was lord shiva worshipers it was well explained in pakistan writer Dr. Rehman's book with collection of coins and some segments of lord shiva,ganesha and durga's idols.And during mahabharata war some Kaurva's descendants migrate to afghanistan then to iraq and saudi arab.I don't know why muslim country always hide such information truth is truth.But everyone knows who is he,from where he comes so hiding information is nothing but looser's work.Most of the religion now is very recent so they must be accurate about past.I am sorry for any misinterpretation but this is everyones right for right information.
A man from Matrix ( talk) 19:15, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
Further Edit: Massud Wais is also one of the remaining Jews in the country of Afghanistan.
The survey "Afghanistan: Where Things Stand" from 2006 has been replaced with that of 2010. I think it would be better to keep both surveys, that of 2006 and of 2010, because these are not definite numbers, but simply surveys. The change of percentages does not mean that a certain group has become bigger, smaller, etc. Please copy the table below (taken from the article Demography of Afghanistan) into the article. Thank you.
Ethnic group | "Afghanistan: Where Things Stand" (2004-2009) [6] | "A survey of the Afghan people" (2006) [7] | "A survey of the Afghan people" (2010) [8] |
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Pashtun | 38-46% | 41% | 42% |
Tajik | 37-39% | 37% | 31% |
Hazara | 6-13% | 9% | 10% |
Uzbek | 5-7% | 9% | 9% |
Aimak | 0-0% | 0% | 2% |
Turkmen | 1-2% | 2% | 2% |
Baloch | 1-3% | 1% | 1% |
Others (Nuristani, Arab, etc.) | 0-4% | 1% | 3% |
No opinion | 0-2% | 0% |
aslam o alaikum i hope is all this well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.177.94.149 ( talk) 14:31, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
Ok this is going to seem complicated, but give me a chance to explain.....Before the arrival of Islam, Afghanistan was predomenantaly a Hindu area......Lets go by what we know.......Afghanistan, before the arrival of Islam, was all one land connected with Ancient India and Ancient Iran. And the article even says, that Hinduism has been in Afghanistan almost as long as Hinduism itself. And the Hinduism article says that that Hinduism is the oldest religion. And, not only that, but there are places in Afghannistan that were Hindu, before the arrival of Islam. And, not only that, but the Aryans, followed Hinduism, and were in India, Iran, and Afghanistan, which was all one connnected land......And in this article it even says how Afghanistan is connected with India and Iran, and how there was a Hindu sphere before the arriveal of Islam....but....this article is not just....because.....when you go through the history section, it makes it seem like Afghanistan was only alittle Hindu, and more linked with Iran then India...And then later in the article it mentioens India and Hinduism to a lesser extent....Thats not just....It should be the other way around....The start of the history section should be more in linke with India and Hinduism, and then later mention Iran...I mean this did it bacwards....why?......iTS MIS LEADING.....because there people, including Afghans, who dont know about the links to India and Hinduism, and who dont want to be linked to India and Hinduism.....and so by writing more about Islam and Iran, you make it seem like Afhganistan is more linked with Iran and Islam, and was lesser linked to HInduism and India then.......
Even in other articles on wikipedia, there are articles that give the link more to India and Hinduism....and yet here....They give the history more with Iran and Islam, and then lesser mention to Hinduism and India then...why? 71.106.83.19 ( talk) 16:39, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
"Babur, a descendant of both Timur and Genghis Khan ..." - both of these cannot be true, as Timur was a Turk who was not descended from Genghis Khan (a Mongol). I seriously doubt that he was descended from Genghis, either - these various warlords claimed to be family of more famous warlords to gain more "honor" for their names. The statement is also unreferenced. This should be addressed. HammerFilmFan ( talk) 12:13, 13 June 2011 (UTC) HammerFilmFan
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HEI! i strongly request that wiki page about Afghanistan is totaly (vandalized. it is protected so i cant edit. seems like one afghan party (jamiatis) own this page. that is fine by me but as long as they atleast partioly care about our image. i am ashamed what people would think of reading this misinformation. these people destroyd our country physicaly now they want to wipe its history and honour too! where are the Afghans? the garbage about afghan civial wars and pretending that we were invaded by pakistanis is just to disgusting with no relaible source. my Afghan brothers any of u could this act now. Millions of non afghans read wiki and its a spit in our face.
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Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Try to phrase your request as "Please change "X" to "Y" so that it can be clearly understood and considered. Thanks, Doc Tropics 14:27, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
At the end of chapter "Islamic conquests and Mongol invasion", the last sentence actually. Afghanistan was ruled by 3 powers: Bukhara, Safavids and Mughals, and not Sultanate of Delhi which was replaced by Mughals at that time.
( Getzze ( talk) 09:09, 18 June 2011 (UTC))
Different articles disagree, see Afghana, Afghan (ethnonym) and Pashtun people. I'm not getting involved, but maybe someone should? Dougweller ( talk) 11:28, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
I've added the tag after restoring an edit which completely deleted the section. True, the number of words devoted to one sport or the other are disporportional but this is not justification for the total deletion. Balance can be obtained by editing the section -- and by making sure the Sport in Afghanistan page is balanced. This is a tag that should not have to remain long. -- S. Rich ( talk) 22:48, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
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I am not understanding why the article does not give much needed attention to the fact that Afghanistan was a part of Ancient india and its people were all Hindu at one time. Afghanistan is a old province of Bharat (ancient india) but this article does not show it. Hinduism was the dominant religion of all Afghanistani and in recent years, more and more afghans are marrying indians and becoming hindu again. I think this article needs to discuss this very important and key part of afghan history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.1.2.2 ( talk) 03:35, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
I assume the text in the lede and sidebar is Pashtun and Persian, but which is which? or are they Arabic? Someone who can read them, please add the {{ lang}} template or somehow specify it. — LlywelynII 14:24, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
The article needed some updating, and I did some restructuring, re-wording, swapped few images, and some cleaning up... I hope nobody has issues with my work but if you do you may write your concern here.Thanks!-- Jorge Koli ( talk) 17:37, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
Afghanistan's Buried Riches; Geologists say newfound deposits in the embattled country could fulfill the world's desire for rare earth and critical minerals and end opium's local stranglehold in the process by Sarah Simpson in September 22, 2011 issue of Scientific American. 97.87.29.188 ( talk) 19:09, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
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The word "brite" under "Mining in Afghanistan" is spelt wrong... 124.150.42.177 ( talk) 12:12, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
This article is incredibly bias, here's just on example: "After the 1978 Marxist revolution, the Soviet Union began a 10 year war in which hundreds of thousands of Afghan civilians were killed. This was followed by the Afghan civil war (1992-1996), the rise and fall of the extremist Taliban government and the 2001-present war. In December 2001, the United Nations Security Council authorized the creation of the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) to help maintain security in Afghanistan and assist the Karzai administration. While NATO and other countries are rebuilding war-torn Afghanistan, terrorist groups such as the Haqqani network with alleged support and guidance from Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) spy network are actively involved in a nationwide Taliban-led insurgency, which includes countless assassinations and suicide attacks. According to the United Nations, the insurgents were responsible for 75% of civilian casualties in 2010 and 80% in 2011." This is a clear pro-nato bias and should be removed or edited. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.255.247.69 ( talk) 11:19, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
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All three images in that section should be removed on grounds of "propaganda & original research". Hari7478 ( talk) 07:43, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
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In the beginning of the article, it said afghanistan was in south and central asia. Now it just says south asia. Please stop the vandalism and put central asia back, and possibly west asia as afghanstan can be either, but mostly it is considered central asian or middl eeastern.\} Metalman59 22:50, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
The article begins with: "officially the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan,". I assume there must have been a discussion about this but just from someone new to this article, it seems very wrong to not have the official name as the title. It seems to me as wrong as if the United States of America article would be titled simply "America". Mr.Grantevans2 ( talk) 19:35, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
The introduction to the article uses the word "countless" in the context "...nationwide Taliban-led insurgency,[21] which includes countless assassinations and suicide attacks..." However, there is no reference validating the notion that there are any assassinations or suicide attacks which have not been accounted for. Thus, it is inaccurate to claim that the number of attacks are "countless," and a different descriptor, such as "numerous," which indicates a large number but not an unaccountably large number, should be used. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.18.91.161 ( talk) 18:52, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
Can someone revert this vandalism in regarding Ethnic groups.-- KleeroyJ ( talk) 01:47, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
The "alternative" demonyms "Afghani" and "Afghanistani" shouldn't be listed here. It's true that they are sometimes used, but they are just plain wrong, officially and linguistically, and if they're going to be mentioned at all it should be in the context of somewhat common mistakes. 192.138.41.10 ( talk) 09:36, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
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Afghanistan is mentioned to be in the central of Asia forming Middle East, Central Asia and South Asia. From many sources such as tradtional fghan books, and a few pages on Wikipedia, Afghanistan is in the Middle East and sometimes Central Asia - South Asia is a mistake, maybe you meant Southwest Asia, here are a couple of pages from Wikipedia to prove it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_of_Afghanistan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Currencies_of_Asia
Please change it, as I don't want Wikipedia to be based on biased opinions, it should be based on facts - Afghanistan is in Central-West Asia.
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http://tr.wikipedia.org/?title=Dosya:LocationWestAsia.PNG&filetimestamp=20051103041337 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.25.213.251 ( talk) 16:25, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
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Afghanistan is west-central asia
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From experience and Afghan persepective Afghanistan is West Asian, regularly Central Asia, but hardly South Asia
I have found a source for you to add West Asia to Afghanistan again http://www12.statcan.ca/english/census06/data/topics/RetrieveProductTable.cfm?TPL=RETR&ALEVEL=3&APATH=3&CATNO=&DETAIL=0&DIM=&DS=99&FL=0&FREE=0&GAL=0&GC=99&GK=NA&GRP=1&IPS=&METH=0&ORDER=1&PID=92333&PTYPE=88971&RL=0&S=1&ShowAll=No&StartRow=1&SUB=801&Temporal=2006&Theme=80&VID=0&VNAMEE=&VNAMEF=
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Afghanistan is West Asia
Here is an actual source from Wikipedia: http://tr.wikipedia.org/?title=Dosya:LocationWestAsia.PNG&filetimestamp=20051103041337
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Hi, I have 3rd party proof to show Afghanistan is West Asian: http://www12.statcan.ca/english/census06/data/topics/RetrieveProductTable.cfm?TPL=RETR&ALEVEL=3&APATH=3&CATNO=&DETAIL=0&DIM=&DS=99&FL=0&FREE=0&GAL=0&GC=99&GK=NA&GRP=1&IPS=&METH=0&ORDER=1&PID=92333&PTYPE=88971&RL=0&S=1&ShowAll=No&StartRow=1&SUB=801&Temporal=2006&Theme=80&VID=0&VNAMEE=&VNAMEF=
This is a Canadian Census which puts Afghan national under West Asian, and not Central or South Asian
Also, the offical language is: Persian, and the University of Edinburgh highlight the fact that Persian is the 3rd most popular language in the Middle East (West Asia)
Please add Afghanistan being West Asian, thanks.
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Not done: See below. Celestra ( talk) 21:02, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
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Afghanistan is Middle Eastern, the 3rd party source I have found are:
[ [50]] - this source shows that Afghanistan has been placed on the Middle East/West Asia colum, if you look on the left hand page
[ [51]] - this source shows that Afghanistan has been placed under West Asia alongside its neighoubrs, Turkey, Iran, Iraq, etc.
[ [52]] - this source as you can clearly see than in 2006, "Afghanistan are runners-up to Bahrain in the Middle East Cup.""
Please add Afghanistan to being Middle Eastern too, I understand that this topic is severly contrevsersial, so Afghaistan can be identified as West-Central Asian. Thank you, please add Afghanistan as West Asian/Middle Eastern
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Afghanistan is Middle Eastern, the 3rd party source I have found are:
[ [53]] - this source shows that Afghanistan has been placed on the Middle East/West Asia colum, if you look on the left hand page
[ [54]] - this source shows that Afghanistan has been placed under West Asia alongside its neighoubrs, Turkey, Iran, Iraq, etc.
[ [55]] - this source as you can clearly see than in 2006, "Afghanistan are runners-up to Bahrain in the Middle East Cup.""
[ [56]] - this is the Canadian Cenusus that provides information showing that Afghanistan is West Asian, under the sub-heading 'Questions', it highlights "West Asian (e.g., Iranian, Afghan, etc.)", this shows that some evidence does prove of Afghanistan being West Asian
Please add Afghanistan to being Middle Eastern/West Asian. Wikipedia cuurently says "..is a landlocked sovereign state located in the centre of Asia, forming part of South Asia and Central Asia." I want it to be changed into "is a landlocked sovereign state located in the centre of Asia, forming part of the Middle East and Central Asia." As evidence here proves that Wikipedia have left this out. Thank you for understanding
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Before we start making requested edits, I think we should have a discussion here. What is the standard we apply for listing a country in a specific geographical region? What is the criteria for being part of the 'Middle east'? For example, here Middle east it is listed as being part of 'Greater middle east'. I looked at several of the other articles in 'greater middle east' and none of them I looked at listed the country in question as being part of the middle east. It seems there are conflicting sources. I don't think we should remove the 'South Asia' listing, because that is well backed up by the UN which is a significant source. I also feel that the crafts council and cricket listings are not that relevant; whether Canada and New Zealand statistics office categorization places them there is meaningful is up for debate. I think the key question is, in the broader context, when people talk about 'the middle east', is Afghanistan often understood to form part of that? The AP style guide may be useful here. In any case, let's not talk about 'proving' things here, because this is not a scientific experiment.-- KarlB ( talk) 16:47, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
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The Government of India regards Afghanistan as a bordering country, as it considers all of Kashmir to be part of India. However, this is disputed, and the region bordering Afghanistan is administered by Pakistan. Source: "Ministry of Home Affairs (Department of Border Management)" (DOC). Retrieved 1 September 2008..
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First of all Sikhs are a separate people from the Marathas
All his invasions were not victories as wrongly stated in the article. Below are the facts.
The Fifth Invasion and Encounter with the Marathas
Ahmad Shah Abdali’s first four attacks were devoted to annihilating the Mughal power in the northern India. In his fifth invasion he had to face the Marathas in the third Battle of Panipat. When Ahmad Shah Abdali annexed Sirhind, Punjab, Multan, Sindh and Kashmir, Adeena Beg the faujdar of Jalandhar invited Marathas from Delhi. He invited the Sikhs to conquer Sirhind, because he knew that the Sikhs were ever-ready to invade Sirhind and owing to the martyrdom of the younger Sahibzadas having taken place there called it “Gru damned Sirhind” (Guru Mari Sirhind). This way, the Sikhs and the Marhattas captured Sirhind and the later on they overran Lahore. The Abdali rule in the Punjab thus came to an end. The Marathas had their sway upto Attok and they appointed Adeena Beg the governor of the Punjab.
Ahmad Shah Abdali could not tolerate the seizing of the territory in the Punjab by Marathas and, therefore, he again invaded India with a fuller force. This was the fifth invasion by him. The Marathas also marched northwards from Deccan fully prepared. Abdali was commanding less troops, but by means of daring and superior military strategy, he carried the day against the Marathas who fell in the Battle of Panipat. Now, Abdali had one power in view, which he wanted to crush and it was the Sikhs.
Sixth Invasion the Massive Massacre of the Sikhs – Wada Ghullughara – 1762 The destroyer of the Mughal rule and the conqueror of the Marathas considered the Sikhs to be insignificant. The Sikhs had been affended by Afghans as they had destroyed Darbar Sahib, Amritsar. When Ahmad Shah Abdali’s son, Tamur Shah, and his general, Jahan Khan were returning to Kabul after ransacking Delhi, along with a lot of booty, the Sikh bands raided them seized a good quantity of plundered goods and chased the Durrani forces over a sufficient distance. It happened that in March 1757. Thereafter to wreak vengeance on the Sikhs, the Afghans attacked the town of Kartarpur (near Jalandhar) founded by Guru Arjun Sahib and set ablaze the Gurdwara Tham Sahib. On his way back from Delhi Abdali halted at Lahore where from he sent his troops to Amritsar and desecrated Sri Darbar Sahib.17 When Ahmad Shah Abdali was returning after his victory over Delhi, the Sikh bands attacked him near Goindwal and liberated about 2200 Hindu women from the clutches of the Afghans. The Sikhs bands pursued the Afghan forces upto the river Attock.18 In 1761 A.D. Ahmad Shah Abdali before leaving Lahore appointed Khwaja Ubaid the governor of Lahore and Khwaja Mirza Jaan the faujdar of Char Mahal (These char Mahals were Sialkot, Pasroor, Gujarat and Aurangabad). Mirza Jaan was killed while fighting the Sikhs, and thereafter Ahmad Shah sent Nooruddin to establish law and order in the Punjab. He was defeated by Charat Singh Shukarchakhia and he retired to Sialkot. Hearing this, Khwaja Ubaid who was the governor of Lahore gathered a large force and attacked Gujranwala, the capital city of the Shukarchakkia Misl. Charat Singh called upon the other Misaldars including Jassa Singh Ahluwalia, Jai Singh Ghanayya and Hari Singh Bhangi to come to his aid. The assembled Sikhs put Khwaja Ubaid to flight and he fled to shelter inside the Lahore fort. The Sikh chiefs pursued him and conquerred Lahore. Jassa Singh Ahluwalia made Saadat Khan faujdar flee. This way the Sikhs carried the day everywhere. The Sikhs decided to set right Aaqil Das Niranjania of Jandiala as he had been spying upon the Sikhs and reporting to Abdali. When Niranjani came to know of it he called Ahmed Shah Abdali to his support. Zain Khan the governor of Sirhind appointed by Abdali in Cis-Sutlej area was ill-at-ease on account of the Sikhs. He also persuaded Ahmad Shah to invade the Punjab to mend the Sikhs.19
Ahmed Shah Abdali made several invasions to occupy and annexe Punjab to Kabul kingdom. On every occasion he was harassed by the Sikh bands. The Sikh warriors bands, called Missal, began to occupy territory at various places. They conquered Lahore in 1765 and struck coin in the name of the Gurus. The Inscription of the coin was the same as that issued by Banda Singh Bahadur, viz Dego Tego Nusrat bedrang – Yaft as Nanak Guru Gobind Singh. The kettle and the sword (symbols of charity and power) victory and ready patronage have been obtained from Guru Nanak – Gobind Singh. The same inscription continued uptill 1849 when the Punjab was annexed. Most of the Punjab was occupied by the Sikh Misaldars. Ahmad Shah Abdali, the best horseman of his times in Asia, conqueror of Delhi, the age old capital of the Mughals, the victor of the Battle of Panipat where he gave crushing defeat to Marathas felt exhansted before the valiant Khalsa. He left Punjab and died in 1769 AD.
Writings about the Sikhs by a muslim:
A Tribute by Qazi Nur Mohammed Qazi Nur Mohammad son of Qazi Abdullah belonged to village Gunjaba in Baluchistan). He was with Nasir Khan of Kalat when the latter joined Ahmed Shah Abdali in his jehad against the Sikhs. Qazi Nur Mohammad has written the account of seventh invasion, of Ahmad Shah Adbali. Out of contempt for the Sikhs he calls them sag which is Persian means dog. dog of hell, pig eaters, accursed infidels, etc. But he has paid the highest tribute to the character of Sikhs of eighteenth century. A bigoted writer who has got strong prejudice against Sikhs paying such glowing tribute to their character, is a matter of pride for the Sikhs. he writes : Leaving aside their mode of fighting hear you another point in which they excel other fighting people. In no case they would slay a coward or put any obstacle in way of fugitive They do not plunder the wealth and ornament of women be she be a well to do lady or maid servant. There is no adultery among the dogs nor are these mischievous people given the thieving. Whether a woman young or old they call her 'budhya' an old lady and ask her to get out of the way. The word ' Buddya' in Indian lauguage means an old lady. There is no thief at all among these dogs nor is there any house breaker born amongst these miscreants. Because they do not make friend with adulterers and house breakers.32
The end result of Abdalis defeat and history onwards:
Subjugation of Afghan Turbulent Tribes of North Western Frontier The rule of Maharaja Ranjit Singh (1799-1839) will ever remain watershed in the annals of the trans-Indus regions especially Peshawar, Bannu as well as Hazara. All these areas alongwith Kashmir were a part of the Afghanistan. Olaf Caroe writes, "Ranjit Singh had wrested from Afghan their fairest provinces not only those east of Indus where Kabul rulers could claim no recial affinity, but Peshawar itself and Bannu, fertile gardens inhabited by proud people of Afghan and Pathan stock"33. Maharaja Ranjit singh undertook strong measures to subdue and control the ferocious tribes of north western frontier. These tribes had not ever been subjugated and brought under control as Attock District gazetteer, writes, "The Mughal sway was more nominal than real. They appear to have been content to levy revenue and there is nothing to show that any serious government was attempted. The whole district paid only half of a lakh of rupees and heads of each tribe were practically independent."34 After the conquest of Afghan principalities Kasur, Kashmir and Multan he led his legions across the Indus. This was a big challenge to the valiant Afghans who raised a cry of Jehad under Azim Khan ruler of Kabul. A big army was collected on the bank of river at Naushehra. (Distt Peshawar). Ranjit Singh won the decisive victory and surging crowds of Ghazis was dispersed in 1823 AD. Azim Khan died of the shock.35 After this decisive battle army of Ranjit Singh conquered Peshawar and its surrounding areas. Peshawar was annexed to Sikh kingdom in 1834 and Hari Singh Nalwa who has been described as an ideal Sikh soldier" by Olaf Caroe36 was appointed as its Governor. All these trans-Indus areas were never under any regular administration as it has been rightly stated by Olaf Caroe territorial link of administration has to be traced to its beginnings in the Sikh occupation of Peshawar."37 Maharaja Ranjit Singh and his general Hari Singh Nalwa dealt with the north western frontier tribes in two phases dividing it into two sectors viz(i) Hazara sector and (ii) Peshawar sector. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.113.202.252 ( talk) 03:35, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
Afghanistan Listeni/æfˈɡænɨstæn/ (Persian/Pashto: افغانستان, Afġānistān), officially the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan, is a landlocked country located in the centre of Asia, forming part of Central Asia, South Asia, and Greater Middle East,[9][10]
I can not find any information that supports Afghanistan as being part of the Greater Middle East. The references identified don't attribute or support Afghanistan as part of the Greater Middle East.
I would recommend striking the Middle East as it is not part of Afghanistan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crucible6 ( talk • contribs) 09:24, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
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Afghanistan Listeni/æfˈɡænɨstæn/ (Persian/Pashto: افغانستان, Afġānistān), officially the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan, is a landlocked country located in the centre of Asia, forming part of Central Asia, South Asia, and Greater Middle East,[9][10]
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Afghanistan Listeni/æfˈɡænɨstæn/ (Persian/Pashto: افغانستان, Afġānistān), officially the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan, is a landlocked country located in the centre of Asia, forming part of Central Asia and Southwest Asia.
Note: [9] [10] don't support Afghanistan as being a part of the Greater Middle East. Afghanistan is CLEARLY not part of the Middle East. Recommend deleting the two cites [9] and [10] and deleting "and Greater Middle East."
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please add to bibliography: Rob Johnson, The Afghan Way of War (Hurst and OUP, 2011) Drrobj ( talk) 11:18, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
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Afghanistan has never been considered to be East Asian 86.25.215.78 ( talk) 15:23, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
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The narrative should include a mention of the utter British defeat? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.121.204.129 ( talk) 14:26, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
The Time Zone says "D† (UTC+4:30)" (The 'D' is what assume Delta Time Zone, a military standard). Shouldn't this be "AFT (UTC+4:30)", so that it follows the time zone indication of all other countries on Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.196.133.253 ( talk) 16:49, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
"The grain exports had been beneficial to people employed in agriculture, and the Carter embargo marked the beginning of hardship for American farmers. That same year, Carter also made two of the most unpopular decisions of his entire Presidency: prohibiting American athletes from participating in the 1980 Summer Olympics in Moscow, and reinstating registration for the draft for young males. Following the Soviet invasion, the United States supported diplomatic efforts to achieve a Soviet withdrawal. In addition, generous U.S. contributions to the refugee program in Pakistan played a major part in efforts to assist Afghan refugees."
This is relevant to the US perspective, but I do not find it pertinent to this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.30.179.86 ( talk) 22:25, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
Ok, I am reluctant to start messing around with this first without asking, but isn't the last paragraph or two of the intro not really very neutral? It mentions the ISAF being in Afghanistan to 'maintain security' (when it was working with the very people who had invaded Afghanistan in the first place and was taken over by NATO, which cannot be considered as some kind of neutral peacekeeping force in the country); secondly, to talk of the international community as 'rebuilding' Afghanistan is deeply misleading since it was the 'international community' that destroyed it in the first. Yes, I know the Afghans themselves and even further back the Soviets played their part too, but presenting the presence of NATO, the ISAF, America, Britain etc. as being there to maintain security and rebuild the country, just seems bizarre. No matter what you think of the rights or wrongs of it, the fact is that it was they who invaded the country back in 2001, starting the current war. Gerrynobody ( talk) 02:07, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
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In the paragraph beginning "The political history of the modern state of Afghanistan...", "ultra-conservatives" at the end of that sentence is misspelled "unltra-conservatives". KnownIssues ( talk) 16:04, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
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Someone with the privileges please Ctrl+F for two instances of "On the positive side," and remove them. This isn't the place to convey information with patronizing judgment value, it's the place to convey information, period. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.123.35.135 ( talk) 01:44, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
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Other languages besides the 2 official languages should be added to the page. Uzbek, Turkmen, Kyrgyz, Hazaragi, Russian, and some other langusges are also spoken in their respective areas by several million of the population and should be added to reflect this fact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Afgzee ( talk • contribs) 23:18, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
I think this presentation is not objective. The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan is not explicitly mentioned,giving the false impression that the US played the same role with the Soviet Union in the events prior to 1990. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.0.32.214 ( talk) 18:11, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
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{{ editsemiprotected}} Under 'Geogrpahy' tab for the page on 'Afghanistan', the text "Tajikistan, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan border Afghanistan to the north, Iran to the west, Pakistan to the south and the People's Republic of China to the east." should be changed to read "Tajikistan, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan border Afghanistan to the north, Iran to the west, Pakistan to the south, India to the south east and the People's Republic of China to the east." This is because the disputed territory of Jammu & Kashmir, currently administered by Pakistan but claimed by India, borders Afghanistan. For political correctness, the edited text should be used. Vaidyanathanramani ( talk) 07:06, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
What India claims or does not claim has got nothing to do with reality of borders. Kashmir is a disputed territory (including the Indian administered area- from which they are connecting borders)- Putting some ones claim on the opening paragraph is ridiculous. Secondly, according to International Laws, Durand line IS the border between Afghanistan & Pakistan as successor states claim boundaries according to the U.N law. There is no international backing of this far-right claim in the world. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.136.250.4 ( talk) 22:09, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
Ahmed shahi ( talk) 15:50, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
Ahmed shahi ( talk) 18:06, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
Ahmed shahi ( talk) 21:51, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
I have fully protected this article for 1 month. I have no knowledge of this subject, so do not know who is correct and who is incorrect (hence why I just protected the version of the article as it currently stands, not knowing which version is the "correct" one).
Please discuss the issues here, and when you have decided on what should/should not be in the article, please leave a {{ editprotected}} request on this page. -- PhantomSteve/ talk| contribs\ 14:15, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
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There should be a inclusion of the Indian Mauryan Empire in the 2nd intro. paragraph. I am a Buddhist from Afghanistan and was forced to flee because of the Talibans in 1990s, this is a very important part of our history. Afghanistan was greatly influenced by the Indian Mauryan Empire and the religion that it brought. For some reason, the Muslim world does not want to recognize the other religions that influenced the region apart from Islam. For example, the Talibans destroyed the Buddhas of Bamyan in the Hazarajat region of central Afghanistan. Bamyan was part of the kingdom of Gandhara. It was the site of several Buddhist monasteries, and a thriving center for religion, philosophy, and Indian subcontinent art. It was a Buddhist religious site from the 2nd century up to the time of the Islamic invasion in the 9th century. Afghanistan was a very peaceful country but there has been a constant effort by the Muslim world to erase that past. I request the administrator to - PLEASE Don't erase our Past.
As an Afghan Minority this is very important to us. Thanks.
98.28.172.69 ( talk) 14:33, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
Ahmed shahi ( talk) 14:46, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
Agreed.. there were many Indian Empires that influenced the region but the Mauryan Empire was the crucial one since under Chandragupta, the Mauryan Empire conquered the trans-Indus region, which was under Macedonian rule. Chandragupta then defeated the invasion led by Seleucus I, a Greek general from Alexander's army. Under Chandragupta and his successors, both internal and external trade, and agriculture and economic activities, all thrived and expanded across India thanks to the creation of a single and efficient system of finance, administration and security
If the article mentions Alexander and other empire why exclude the Mauryans?? And one more thing its only one word that needs to be included and thats '''MAURYANS'''. I am not telling to give a history on it, if you are mentioning other empires why exclude the Mauryans??
Ahmed shahi ( talk) 15:44, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
Buddhist kingdoms and empires in Afghanistan have been included in the introduction. Kushans are responsible for the much great development of Buddhism in Afghanistan; and the product of their civilization is the Buddha Statues of Bamyan. Unlike other heterogeneous buddhist dynasties such as Indo-Greeks, Indo-Scythians and Indo-Parthians, Kushans spread the Buddhism in Afghanistan. However, Mauryans ruled mostly the southern parts of Afghanistan, and they did not conquer beyond the Hindu Kush mountains. During the presence of Mauryans in southern Afghanistan, Seleucids and Greco-Bactrians were present in the major parts of Bactria and their civilization (religion and language) were dominant in the region. Mauryans may have or do have a large importance in Indian and Pakistani territories, but their influence in Afghanistan is not significant. There are many other empires and dynasties which deserve more than Mauryans to be mentioned in the Introduction. You added some information on the Mauryans in the History section, no one removed it (except for the very details which were irrelevent), but adding Mauryans in the Intro is irrelevent. Ariana ( talk) 17:04, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
Buddhism in Afghanistan has a long history of thousands of years. Many monuments, such as the famous Buddhas of Bamyan, testify to the Buddhist culture in Afghanistan. It was during Ashoka The Great reign that Buddhism was introduced to what later became Afghanistan. Kanishka (120 to 160 B.C.) was a Buddhist who built many stupas. Many of the Iranian forebearers of the Pashtuns, including the Scythians followed Buddhism until the arrival of Islam. Hinduism in Afghanistan dates back to the Vedic periods when small areas of the country shared a common culture with India. Along with Buddhism and Zoroastrianism, Hinduism was practiced but to in much smaller numbers. Afghanistan gradually converted to Islam with the advent of Islam. The Mahabharata, a sacred text amongst the Hindus, mentions about King Shakuni who was the ruler of Kandahar region in Afghanistan[3]. The Kushanas worshipped Hindu gods as well as Buddha and local deities [4]. Some of them like Vasudeva were named after Hindu gods and heroes. The Shahi rulers of Afghanistan followed Hinduism and also supported Buddhism. The Shahi king Khingala installed one of the earliest Ganesha images, which was found in Gerdez. There are Hindu populations in major cities of Afghanistan. The Hindu-Sikh population in Afghanistan in 1990 was estimated to number around 30,000. Afghan Hindus and Afghan Sikhs often share places of worship. The main ethnic groups in Afghanistan which practice Hinduism are the Punjabis, and Sindhis who came as merchants to the region within the last few centuries. Along with Sikhs, they are all collectively known as the Hindki.Linguistic demographics among the Hindu community are diverse and generally follow regional origins: those hailing from Punjab generally speak Punjabi, Sindhis speak Sindhi, Kabulis and Kandharis speak both Pashto and the northern and southern dialects of Hindk. The Afghan Hindu community in Afghanistan is mostly based in the cities of Kabul and Kandahar. The Loya Jirga has two seats reserved for Hindus. More so than other ethnic groups, Afghan Hindus have fled to Pakistan and the West to escape religious persecution from the Taliban or to improve their economic well-being.
This is all due to the Mauryans, at least there are still Afghan sikhs and Hindus presently living in Kabul and Kandahar and some in Pakistan. WHERE ARE THE GREEKS????? apart from being bankrupt in Europe. So If you ask an Afghni he or she will relate to Indian Subcontinent rather than Greek. So If you are going to mention Alexander the Great, I think the Indians are also due their Credit.
Buddhism spread slowly in India until the time of the Mauryan emperor Ashoka, who was a public supporter of the religion. The support of Aśoka and his descendants led to the construction of more stūpas (Buddhist religious memorials) and to efforts to spread Buddhism throughout the enlarged Maurya empire and even into neighboring lands—particularly to the Iranian-speaking regions of Afghanistan and Central Asia, beyond the Mauryas' northwest border, and to the island of Sri Lanka south of India. These two missions, in opposite directions, would ultimately lead, in the first case to the spread of Buddhism into China, and in the second case, to the emergence of Theravāda Buddhism and its spread from Sri Lanka to the coastal lands of Southeast Asia consisting of Burma (Myanmar), Cambodia, Laos, Thailand, Vietnam and Peninsular Malaysia while the maritime section consists of Brunei, East Malaysia, East Timor, Indonesia, Papua New Guinea, the Philippines, and Singapore. The Indians don't like to brag about thier infulence in the world history. As Hu Shih, former Ambassador of China to USA said: India conquered And dominated China culturally for 20 centuries without ever having to send a single soldier across her border. So All I am saying if you mention Alexander just add two more word Indian Mauryans -which rulers adopted Bhuddism as a state religion and influenced the region culturally and economically.
Request disabled because i cannot see a clear consensus for a specific change. — TheDJ ( talk • contribs) 21:39, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
So If there is a mention of Alexander, I think Chandragupta should be mentioned too. or don't mention it It seems that you need to stroke your ego much more than an afghani. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.28.172.69 ( talk) 01:11, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
The intro should mention the
Maurya Empire something like this: The land has witnessed various invasions since antiquity, including by Alexander the Great and his Macedonian army,
Buddhist
Mauryans, Muslim Abbasids, Mongols and others.
These are worth mentioning because they brought new cultures or religions into Afghanistan. The
Kushan Empire did not introduce Buddhism and they were not invaders but a local kingdom. And, User:Ariana310 is once again making the list of local dynasties in the intro too long when it suppose to be short naming only 3 or 4 most popular local kingdoms. It even falsely includes the
Hephthalites (which was added in the list by User:Tajik) as a kingdom that rose to power in Afghanistan, this is wrong because they are mentioned in all sources as invaders to Afghanistan. I don't need to show evidence you can read anywhere and see for yourself. This is another example of User:Tajik who has no real knowledge about Afghanistan's history.
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I would agree with you on removing the Hephthalites from the Intro in order to have a short listing. You should not mix up Greco-Bactrians with Seleucids. It was Seleucids who were the direct descendants of Alexander the Great's army. Greco-Bactrians are important to be mentioned.
We should add Muslim conquests; not mentioning the name of the caliphate (Umayyad or Abbasids).
Babur was NOT a Kabuli. He lived almost 20 years of his early life in Farghana and Samarkand. During the next 20 years (between 1504 and 1525), he did not live continuously in Kabul either. He was in move for capturing Herat, and re-conquering Samarkand and Bukhara. He might have stayed a couple of years, but not for a long time. We don't have any good reason to call him a Kabuli, or to call his empire a local empire. Ariana ( talk) 17:06, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
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Ahmed shahi ( talk) 19:53, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
“ | " Bābur, a descendant of Genghis Khan and Timur, had made Kabul the capital of an independent principality in 1504. He captured Kandahār in 1522, and in 1526 he marched on Delhi. He defeated Ibrāhīm, the last of the Lodī Afghan kings of India, and established the Mughal Empire, which lasted until the middle of the 19th century and included all of eastern Afghanistan south of the Hindu Kush. The capital was at Agra. Nine years after his death in 1530, the body of Bābur was taken to Kabul for burial." (source: [8]) | ” |
“ | "Kabul was the capital (1504–26) of the Mughal dynasty, under Bābur, and it remained under Mughal rule until 1738..." (source: [9]) | ” |
Ahmed shahi ( talk) 13:21, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
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I have tagged the history sections from around the 1980s to recent 2010 because it all reads like a blog. Someone needs to re-write this stuff like an encyclopedia. I feel that User:JCAla, User:Tajik, and User:Cabolitae should not remove the tags since they belong to the same particular group.-- Jrkso ( talk) 12:50, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
Don't always start a new section for the same discussion, Jrkso. We were discussing it here. The "appropriate tone" has been worked on extensively. So, we should be able to remove this tag also. Jrkso is the only one to constantly contemplate. After several demands from other editors for Jrkso to provide specific issues he wants to contest, he has not provided even one. JCAla ( talk) 19 November 2010 (UTC)
I'd have thought a lot the history section here was a bit too detailed and much of it should be factored out to the History of Afghanistan and History of Afghanistan since 1992 and what's here should mainly be the lead sections of those articles. Dmcq ( talk) 14:28, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
The disruptive User:Tajik is removing a dubious tag and the disruptive User:JCAla is making too many repeated Wikilinks in the same area of the section. The statement below found in Afghanistan#Etymology must be verified or removed. Tajik has argued last month extensively about needing verifiable sources for the Alexander letter but now he's trying to say that verifying things isn't important. [10]
Tajik also states that Hudud al-'alam is not a travel literature, then what is it?-- Jrkso ( talk) 20:18, 3 December 2010 (UTC)Pull out your sword and slay any one, that says Pashtun and Afghan are not one! Arabs know this and so do Romans: Afghans are Pashtuns, Pashtuns are Afghans! Source: extract from "Passion of the Afghan" by Khushal Khan Khattak; translated by C. Biddulph in "Afghan Poetry Of The 17th Century: Selections from the Poems of Khushal Khan Khattak", London, 1890.
Please see Wikipedia:Link rot for guidelines on dealing with links that no longer work. Removing them is not the automatic option. Dmcq ( talk) 09:21, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
CIA lists "languages spoken in Afghanistan" but all other references are talking about "native speakers". Most sources, such as Encyclopædia Iranica, Encyclopedia Britannica, SIL International ( Ethnologue), and others give the following estimates for native speakers of Dari and Pashto.
About one-third of the population of Afghanistan, i.e., about 5,000,000 people, speak Dari. It is the primary language of the Tadzhik, Hạzāra, and Chahar Aimak peoples. [2]
-- Lagoo sab ( talk) 23:56, 19 December 2010 (UTC)Paṧtō (1) is the native tongue of 50 to 55 percent of Afghans... [1]
The people of Afghanistan form a complex mosaic of ethnic and linguistic groups. Pashto and Persian ( Dari), both Indo-European languages, are the official languages of the country. More than two-fifths of the population speak Pashto, the language of the Pashtuns, while about half speak some dialect of Persian. While the Afghan dialect of Persian is generally termed “Dari,” a number of dialects are spoken among the Tajik, Ḥazāra, Chahar Aimak, and Kizilbash peoples, including dialects that are more closely akin to the Persian spoken in Iran (Farsi) or the Persian spoken in Tajikistan (Tajik). The Dari and Tajik dialects contain a number of Turkish and Mongolian words, and the transition from one dialect into another across the country is often imperceptible. Bilingualism is fairly common, and the correlation of language to ethnic group is not always exact. Some non-Pashtuns, for instance, speak Pashto, while a larger number of Pashtuns, particularly in urban areas, have adopted the use of one of the dialects of Persian.
I have quoted Britannica as my reference so that the Wikipedia community can understand my point. The mention of "larger number of Pashtuns, particularly in urban areas, have adopted the use of one of the dialects of Persian" is saying that many Pashtuns who live in cities use the Dari language, although Pashto is still their native tongue. These native Pashto-speaking Pashtuns are counted in CIA's 50% Dari, but in the other list it is showing percentage of native speakers of Pashto, not the numbers of speakers.-- Lagoo sab ( talk) 09:34, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
I am about to request a 3O again. Right now the section is a concise overview. All the additional sources, numbers and percentages are not needed as they differ not that much. Especially considering the last two surveys. If editors want to expand, expand in the main language lemma instead of here. If there is going to be constant reverting, I will again give two versions and request 3O. Please explain why you feel that there needs to be more in the section. Chartinael ( talk) 11:57, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
In the 1960s, 1970s and 1980s several major sources explained that Pashto is 50-55% and Dari 25-35% in Afghanistan. [19] The CIA Factbook's estimates in 1990 and 1991 stated "Pashto 50% and Afghan Persian (Dari) 35%". Then all of a sudden the following year in 1992 this was changed to "Afghan Persian (Dari) 50% and Pashto 35%". Since 1992 to the current 2010 version it hasn't been changed back or provide with an explanation why that occurred, click every year below for details.
Since CIA Factbook has a major flaw, we need to cite all reliable sources (including this and this from UCLA International Institute: Center for World Languages as well as this and this) in the article so it can be considered fair and balanced.-- Lagoo sab ( talk) 18:43, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
Lagoo sab, what is this about?! Can't you just stop for a while until the discussion is over?! Why can't you just be honest to yourself? At Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Question you were told by others to keep cool and to try to find a consensus. Everyone agrees that your edits are POV and that you are cherry picking the sources that suit your POV. If you disagree, why can't you just tag the section instead of deleting reliable sources and restoring your own cherry picked POV version?! Your behavior is very unhelpful and very tiring! And I am sure that most of the users in here agree with me! Tajik ( talk) 02:31, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
FYI - the next person in the locus of this dispute who makes use of an ad hominem or assumes bad faith for another editor (e.g., "You are neither interested in nor willing to accept a consensus" or an accusation of sockpuppetry) instead of talking about the content and/or a way to compromise, on this or any other of the Afghanistan-language related pages, will be blocked for violating WP:NPA. Thank you. Magog the Ogre ( talk) 03:30, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
Let us look at those sources again. Last time.
The following five sources should thus be included in the table:
Agree? JCAla ( talk) 23 December 2010 (UTC)
We now have my interesting opinion and Lagoo sab's interesting opinion. Anyone else? ... so that an editor consent of some sort can be created.
Sources already agreed on WP:RS to keep are:
Sources generally accepted on wikipedia:
Sources to keep or not to keep are:
For now I have said everything that I had to say about this issue. JCAla ( talk) 23 December 2010 (UTC)
Sorry guys for being absent this morning, had to do some christmas shopping. Needless to say, I so agree with Tajik, JCLA and Dmcq. I disagree with Magog calling Tajik's statement a PA. छातीऀनाएल - chartinael ( talk) 12:02, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
Can we reach an consensus on the below table to be used? (Simply state "yes" or "no".) The most recent sources available have been used (all sources are from 2000+ - only Britannica I am not so sure of). All these sources will probably be considered reliable on wikipedia.
Language (most recent estimates) | Afghan Government Estimates | Library of Congress | Columbia University Gulf Project | Encyclopaedia Britannica | Concise Encyclopedia |
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Dari Persian | 50 % | 50 % | over 50 % | 50 % | n. a. |
Pashto | 35 % | 35 % | over 25 % | 40 % | 60 % |
Uzbek and Turkmen | 11 % | 11 % | n. a. | n. a. | n. a. |
30 minority languages | 4 % | n. a. | n. a. | n. a. | n. a. |
Sources not used are:
In order to include Lagoo sab's point of view I propose a short text passage mentioning the historic numbers of a reliable sources, namely Encyclopaedia Iranica. The text could be something like: According to most recent sources today Dari Persian serves as the first language for a majority of Afghans. (see table) According to Encyclopaedia Iranica in the past Pashto served as the first language for a majority of Afghans. Encyclopaedia Iranica basing its estimates on research done in the 1960s and the 1980s stated that Pashto "is the native tongue of 50 to 55 percent of Afghans". JCAla ( talk) 24 December 2010 (UTC)
Experts in 1985 provided various estimates of the country’s population: all of these estimates were, of course, based on the earlier censuses. The Population Reference Bureau, a respected nonprofit agency in Washington, D.C., estimated the population at 14.7 million people, including refugees, whereas the United States Bureau of the Census used the same figure of 14.7 million but excluded refugees. The Population Reference Bureau’s figure is significantly lower than the Afghan government’s 1983 estimate of 15.5 million...
...within the national society the term Afghan usually refers specifically to a Pashto (or Pakhtu) speaker who is recognized as a member of one of the several Pashtun tribes (see Ethnicity and Tribe, ch. 2). An estimated 50 percent of the population-and reportedly over 50 percent of the refugees-are Pashtuns. The royal families from 1747 to 1973 were Pashtuns, and Babrak Karmal, who was installed as president by the Soviets in 1979 and who remained in nominal power in 1986, was a Pashtun. Although the figures were actually guesses, some observers suggested that Tajiks account for about 25 percent of the population and Uzbeks and Hazaras for about 9 percent each. Baluch, Turkmen, and other small ethnic groups compose the remainder (see fig. 5). The mother tongue of about half the population is Pashtu; Dari (Afghan Farsi or Persian) is the first language of about 35 percent...
_#_Language: Pashtu 50%, Afghan Persian (Dari) 35%, Turkic languages (primarily Uzbek and Turkmen) 11%, 30 minor languages (primarily Balochi and Pashai) 4%; much bilingualism
Name of language | Pre-1992 | 1992-present | Mehrdad Izady | UCLA | Concise Encyclopedia |
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Dari (Persian) | 35 % | 50 % | 50 % | 25 % | n. a. |
Pashto | 50 % | 35 % | over a quarter | 50 % | 60 % |
Uzbek and Turkmen | 11 % | 11 % | n. a. | n. a. | n. a. |
Other | 4 % | 4 % | n. a. | n. a. | n. a. |
Suggestion: We keep only the CIA Factbook 2010 numbers (and update the numbers whenever needed, based on the newest version of the Factbook) and 2 polls from Afghanistan (until newer survey numbers are published). All other sources will be removed and/or moved to the article Languages of Afghanistan where they will be listed in a NPOV manner. If you support this suggestion, please sign below.
As a temporary solution I changed the language section to as neutral as possible. I reduced the table to CIA World Factbook and Library of Congress only because of the agreement above and because the same sources were also used in the ethnicity section. JCAla ( talk) 27 December 2010 (UTC)
I think the sentence represents the sources at hand which were discussed above. It also includes the older sources in a way. But, I don't mind if the sentence is in the section or not. JCAla ( talk) 30 December 2010 (UTC)
This information is for sure wrong. The birth of current Afghanistan was in 1983 under Abdurrahman Khan when his british master and the czaristic Russia had drawn it´s borders. Officialy, Afghanistan´s creation was in 1911, unofficialy in 1919 with the independance from the British Empire. Someone should change this part which is only claimed by Pashtun nationalists.-- 188.107.12.104 ( talk) 10:42, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
@Lagoo Sab/@Nisarkand how comes you NOW use sources from Dupree and other european scholars to manifest your claims? On articles like Ghaznavids, Ghurids, Persian, Dari you were insulting them and calling them as unreliable. But now you use their sources to support your own claims and that of Pashtuns Daud Khan? Interesting-- 188.107.12.104 ( talk) 10:53, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
Hello,
Ibn Batuta´s statement was uncorrectly translated. His saying about Afghans has not been understood correctly. In the original Arabic tradition, he uses بَلَد which can means state or land, but not city. If he meaned the city, he had used بَلْدَة. Today, we would say Afghanistaniyya al-balad (the state of Afghanistan). In Cairo we have some copies of his writings. I could try to get a dublicate and upload it here. He meaned a state lying between Kabul and Peshauar and not a city or Kabul self. 62.119.28.111 ( talk) 11:48, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
The overwhelming majority of our articles about nations begin with the most commonly used name of the country (usually the article's title), and list the official name second. WP:PLACE states that this is the prefered style. I started a disussion about this at Wikipedia talk:MOS, and there doesn't seem to be a consensus. As such, I am adressing the articles that list the official name first one at a time. Is there any objection to beginning this article: "Afghanistan, (officially the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan),..."? Joefromrandb ( talk) 01:12, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
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Islamic Republic of Afghanistan
د افغانستان اسلامي جمهوریت
(Pashto: Da Afġānistān Islāmī Jomhoriyat)
جمهوری اسلامی افغانستان
(Persian: Jomhūrī-ye Eslāmī-ye Afġānistān)
Thanhas (
talk) 02:39, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
HELLO,
The majority of Afghanistan ARE pashtoon's and the first national language is Pashto, so just replease the lines above, for your kind info please check this link to know the reality,
http://www.worldpassports.org/asia/images/passportAfganistan.jpg
THANKS
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The link you give does not meet our reliable source guidelines, so you'll need to provide a reliable source to add that. In any event, the ordering of the languages doesn't imply that one is more important than the other. If there were a convincing reason to change (like the order right now doesn't have a good reason, and you had an RS to support Pashto being the majority), though, I guess it could be changed. If you do find a reliable source, please make a new edit request. Qwyrxian ( talk) 05:32, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
For example, Mughals were not from Afghanistan. Mughal Babur was from Farghana which is in modern day Uzbekistan, Tadjikistan. He made pillars from heads of modern day Afghons. Please don't ruin credibility of wikipedia because some inferiority complexed tribes want to fake their history. Also Ghaznavids were Turks not Afghan either, so is the case with Ghauris and Safavids. So please correct where it says it was source, as they were mainly invaded and defeated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.197.166.139 ( talk) 06:30, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
Afghanistan was a totally hindu country but nowhere in wikipedia it is mentioned.Why it is so afghanistan's captital Kandhar which mispronunciation of the Sanskrit term “Gandhar” which was the capital of a flourishing ancient Hindu kingdom. And this "Gandhar" names comes from the wife of King Dhritarastra who's wife name was Gandhari and it was her maternal place.It was a totally hindu country at that time and all the religion develop later invade bharat or hindu society because these was full of peace,fertile soil,prosper culture but newly develop religion were in desert and full of cruelty.Later afghanistan was invade by arab muslims,turk and mongols.Afghanistan people was lord shiva worshipers it was well explained in pakistan writer Dr. Rehman's book with collection of coins and some segments of lord shiva,ganesha and durga's idols.And during mahabharata war some Kaurva's descendants migrate to afghanistan then to iraq and saudi arab.I don't know why muslim country always hide such information truth is truth.But everyone knows who is he,from where he comes so hiding information is nothing but looser's work.Most of the religion now is very recent so they must be accurate about past.I am sorry for any misinterpretation but this is everyones right for right information.
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Further Edit: Massud Wais is also one of the remaining Jews in the country of Afghanistan.
The survey "Afghanistan: Where Things Stand" from 2006 has been replaced with that of 2010. I think it would be better to keep both surveys, that of 2006 and of 2010, because these are not definite numbers, but simply surveys. The change of percentages does not mean that a certain group has become bigger, smaller, etc. Please copy the table below (taken from the article Demography of Afghanistan) into the article. Thank you.
Ethnic group | "Afghanistan: Where Things Stand" (2004-2009) [6] | "A survey of the Afghan people" (2006) [7] | "A survey of the Afghan people" (2010) [8] |
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Pashtun | 38-46% | 41% | 42% |
Tajik | 37-39% | 37% | 31% |
Hazara | 6-13% | 9% | 10% |
Uzbek | 5-7% | 9% | 9% |
Aimak | 0-0% | 0% | 2% |
Turkmen | 1-2% | 2% | 2% |
Baloch | 1-3% | 1% | 1% |
Others (Nuristani, Arab, etc.) | 0-4% | 1% | 3% |
No opinion | 0-2% | 0% |
aslam o alaikum i hope is all this well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.177.94.149 ( talk) 14:31, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
Ok this is going to seem complicated, but give me a chance to explain.....Before the arrival of Islam, Afghanistan was predomenantaly a Hindu area......Lets go by what we know.......Afghanistan, before the arrival of Islam, was all one land connected with Ancient India and Ancient Iran. And the article even says, that Hinduism has been in Afghanistan almost as long as Hinduism itself. And the Hinduism article says that that Hinduism is the oldest religion. And, not only that, but there are places in Afghannistan that were Hindu, before the arrival of Islam. And, not only that, but the Aryans, followed Hinduism, and were in India, Iran, and Afghanistan, which was all one connnected land......And in this article it even says how Afghanistan is connected with India and Iran, and how there was a Hindu sphere before the arriveal of Islam....but....this article is not just....because.....when you go through the history section, it makes it seem like Afghanistan was only alittle Hindu, and more linked with Iran then India...And then later in the article it mentioens India and Hinduism to a lesser extent....Thats not just....It should be the other way around....The start of the history section should be more in linke with India and Hinduism, and then later mention Iran...I mean this did it bacwards....why?......iTS MIS LEADING.....because there people, including Afghans, who dont know about the links to India and Hinduism, and who dont want to be linked to India and Hinduism.....and so by writing more about Islam and Iran, you make it seem like Afhganistan is more linked with Iran and Islam, and was lesser linked to HInduism and India then.......
Even in other articles on wikipedia, there are articles that give the link more to India and Hinduism....and yet here....They give the history more with Iran and Islam, and then lesser mention to Hinduism and India then...why? 71.106.83.19 ( talk) 16:39, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
"Babur, a descendant of both Timur and Genghis Khan ..." - both of these cannot be true, as Timur was a Turk who was not descended from Genghis Khan (a Mongol). I seriously doubt that he was descended from Genghis, either - these various warlords claimed to be family of more famous warlords to gain more "honor" for their names. The statement is also unreferenced. This should be addressed. HammerFilmFan ( talk) 12:13, 13 June 2011 (UTC) HammerFilmFan
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HEI! i strongly request that wiki page about Afghanistan is totaly (vandalized. it is protected so i cant edit. seems like one afghan party (jamiatis) own this page. that is fine by me but as long as they atleast partioly care about our image. i am ashamed what people would think of reading this misinformation. these people destroyd our country physicaly now they want to wipe its history and honour too! where are the Afghans? the garbage about afghan civial wars and pretending that we were invaded by pakistanis is just to disgusting with no relaible source. my Afghan brothers any of u could this act now. Millions of non afghans read wiki and its a spit in our face.
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Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Try to phrase your request as "Please change "X" to "Y" so that it can be clearly understood and considered. Thanks, Doc Tropics 14:27, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
At the end of chapter "Islamic conquests and Mongol invasion", the last sentence actually. Afghanistan was ruled by 3 powers: Bukhara, Safavids and Mughals, and not Sultanate of Delhi which was replaced by Mughals at that time.
( Getzze ( talk) 09:09, 18 June 2011 (UTC))
Different articles disagree, see Afghana, Afghan (ethnonym) and Pashtun people. I'm not getting involved, but maybe someone should? Dougweller ( talk) 11:28, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
I've added the tag after restoring an edit which completely deleted the section. True, the number of words devoted to one sport or the other are disporportional but this is not justification for the total deletion. Balance can be obtained by editing the section -- and by making sure the Sport in Afghanistan page is balanced. This is a tag that should not have to remain long. -- S. Rich ( talk) 22:48, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
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I am not understanding why the article does not give much needed attention to the fact that Afghanistan was a part of Ancient india and its people were all Hindu at one time. Afghanistan is a old province of Bharat (ancient india) but this article does not show it. Hinduism was the dominant religion of all Afghanistani and in recent years, more and more afghans are marrying indians and becoming hindu again. I think this article needs to discuss this very important and key part of afghan history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.1.2.2 ( talk) 03:35, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
I assume the text in the lede and sidebar is Pashtun and Persian, but which is which? or are they Arabic? Someone who can read them, please add the {{ lang}} template or somehow specify it. — LlywelynII 14:24, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
The article needed some updating, and I did some restructuring, re-wording, swapped few images, and some cleaning up... I hope nobody has issues with my work but if you do you may write your concern here.Thanks!-- Jorge Koli ( talk) 17:37, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
Afghanistan's Buried Riches; Geologists say newfound deposits in the embattled country could fulfill the world's desire for rare earth and critical minerals and end opium's local stranglehold in the process by Sarah Simpson in September 22, 2011 issue of Scientific American. 97.87.29.188 ( talk) 19:09, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
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The word "brite" under "Mining in Afghanistan" is spelt wrong... 124.150.42.177 ( talk) 12:12, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
This article is incredibly bias, here's just on example: "After the 1978 Marxist revolution, the Soviet Union began a 10 year war in which hundreds of thousands of Afghan civilians were killed. This was followed by the Afghan civil war (1992-1996), the rise and fall of the extremist Taliban government and the 2001-present war. In December 2001, the United Nations Security Council authorized the creation of the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) to help maintain security in Afghanistan and assist the Karzai administration. While NATO and other countries are rebuilding war-torn Afghanistan, terrorist groups such as the Haqqani network with alleged support and guidance from Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) spy network are actively involved in a nationwide Taliban-led insurgency, which includes countless assassinations and suicide attacks. According to the United Nations, the insurgents were responsible for 75% of civilian casualties in 2010 and 80% in 2011." This is a clear pro-nato bias and should be removed or edited. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.255.247.69 ( talk) 11:19, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
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All three images in that section should be removed on grounds of "propaganda & original research". Hari7478 ( talk) 07:43, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
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In the beginning of the article, it said afghanistan was in south and central asia. Now it just says south asia. Please stop the vandalism and put central asia back, and possibly west asia as afghanstan can be either, but mostly it is considered central asian or middl eeastern.\} Metalman59 22:50, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
The article begins with: "officially the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan,". I assume there must have been a discussion about this but just from someone new to this article, it seems very wrong to not have the official name as the title. It seems to me as wrong as if the United States of America article would be titled simply "America". Mr.Grantevans2 ( talk) 19:35, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
The introduction to the article uses the word "countless" in the context "...nationwide Taliban-led insurgency,[21] which includes countless assassinations and suicide attacks..." However, there is no reference validating the notion that there are any assassinations or suicide attacks which have not been accounted for. Thus, it is inaccurate to claim that the number of attacks are "countless," and a different descriptor, such as "numerous," which indicates a large number but not an unaccountably large number, should be used. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.18.91.161 ( talk) 18:52, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
Can someone revert this vandalism in regarding Ethnic groups.-- KleeroyJ ( talk) 01:47, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
The "alternative" demonyms "Afghani" and "Afghanistani" shouldn't be listed here. It's true that they are sometimes used, but they are just plain wrong, officially and linguistically, and if they're going to be mentioned at all it should be in the context of somewhat common mistakes. 192.138.41.10 ( talk) 09:36, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
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Afghanistan is mentioned to be in the central of Asia forming Middle East, Central Asia and South Asia. From many sources such as tradtional fghan books, and a few pages on Wikipedia, Afghanistan is in the Middle East and sometimes Central Asia - South Asia is a mistake, maybe you meant Southwest Asia, here are a couple of pages from Wikipedia to prove it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_of_Afghanistan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Currencies_of_Asia
Please change it, as I don't want Wikipedia to be based on biased opinions, it should be based on facts - Afghanistan is in Central-West Asia.
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http://tr.wikipedia.org/?title=Dosya:LocationWestAsia.PNG&filetimestamp=20051103041337 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.25.213.251 ( talk) 16:25, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
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Afghanistan is west-central asia
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From experience and Afghan persepective Afghanistan is West Asian, regularly Central Asia, but hardly South Asia
I have found a source for you to add West Asia to Afghanistan again http://www12.statcan.ca/english/census06/data/topics/RetrieveProductTable.cfm?TPL=RETR&ALEVEL=3&APATH=3&CATNO=&DETAIL=0&DIM=&DS=99&FL=0&FREE=0&GAL=0&GC=99&GK=NA&GRP=1&IPS=&METH=0&ORDER=1&PID=92333&PTYPE=88971&RL=0&S=1&ShowAll=No&StartRow=1&SUB=801&Temporal=2006&Theme=80&VID=0&VNAMEE=&VNAMEF=
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Afghanistan is West Asia
Here is an actual source from Wikipedia: http://tr.wikipedia.org/?title=Dosya:LocationWestAsia.PNG&filetimestamp=20051103041337
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Hi, I have 3rd party proof to show Afghanistan is West Asian: http://www12.statcan.ca/english/census06/data/topics/RetrieveProductTable.cfm?TPL=RETR&ALEVEL=3&APATH=3&CATNO=&DETAIL=0&DIM=&DS=99&FL=0&FREE=0&GAL=0&GC=99&GK=NA&GRP=1&IPS=&METH=0&ORDER=1&PID=92333&PTYPE=88971&RL=0&S=1&ShowAll=No&StartRow=1&SUB=801&Temporal=2006&Theme=80&VID=0&VNAMEE=&VNAMEF=
This is a Canadian Census which puts Afghan national under West Asian, and not Central or South Asian
Also, the offical language is: Persian, and the University of Edinburgh highlight the fact that Persian is the 3rd most popular language in the Middle East (West Asia)
Please add Afghanistan being West Asian, thanks.
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Not done: See below. Celestra ( talk) 21:02, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
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Afghanistan is Middle Eastern, the 3rd party source I have found are:
[ [50]] - this source shows that Afghanistan has been placed on the Middle East/West Asia colum, if you look on the left hand page
[ [51]] - this source shows that Afghanistan has been placed under West Asia alongside its neighoubrs, Turkey, Iran, Iraq, etc.
[ [52]] - this source as you can clearly see than in 2006, "Afghanistan are runners-up to Bahrain in the Middle East Cup.""
Please add Afghanistan to being Middle Eastern too, I understand that this topic is severly contrevsersial, so Afghaistan can be identified as West-Central Asian. Thank you, please add Afghanistan as West Asian/Middle Eastern
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Afghanistan is Middle Eastern, the 3rd party source I have found are:
[ [53]] - this source shows that Afghanistan has been placed on the Middle East/West Asia colum, if you look on the left hand page
[ [54]] - this source shows that Afghanistan has been placed under West Asia alongside its neighoubrs, Turkey, Iran, Iraq, etc.
[ [55]] - this source as you can clearly see than in 2006, "Afghanistan are runners-up to Bahrain in the Middle East Cup.""
[ [56]] - this is the Canadian Cenusus that provides information showing that Afghanistan is West Asian, under the sub-heading 'Questions', it highlights "West Asian (e.g., Iranian, Afghan, etc.)", this shows that some evidence does prove of Afghanistan being West Asian
Please add Afghanistan to being Middle Eastern/West Asian. Wikipedia cuurently says "..is a landlocked sovereign state located in the centre of Asia, forming part of South Asia and Central Asia." I want it to be changed into "is a landlocked sovereign state located in the centre of Asia, forming part of the Middle East and Central Asia." As evidence here proves that Wikipedia have left this out. Thank you for understanding
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Before we start making requested edits, I think we should have a discussion here. What is the standard we apply for listing a country in a specific geographical region? What is the criteria for being part of the 'Middle east'? For example, here Middle east it is listed as being part of 'Greater middle east'. I looked at several of the other articles in 'greater middle east' and none of them I looked at listed the country in question as being part of the middle east. It seems there are conflicting sources. I don't think we should remove the 'South Asia' listing, because that is well backed up by the UN which is a significant source. I also feel that the crafts council and cricket listings are not that relevant; whether Canada and New Zealand statistics office categorization places them there is meaningful is up for debate. I think the key question is, in the broader context, when people talk about 'the middle east', is Afghanistan often understood to form part of that? The AP style guide may be useful here. In any case, let's not talk about 'proving' things here, because this is not a scientific experiment.-- KarlB ( talk) 16:47, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
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The Government of India regards Afghanistan as a bordering country, as it considers all of Kashmir to be part of India. However, this is disputed, and the region bordering Afghanistan is administered by Pakistan. Source: "Ministry of Home Affairs (Department of Border Management)" (DOC). Retrieved 1 September 2008..
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205.202.34.34 ( talk) 20:06, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
First of all Sikhs are a separate people from the Marathas
All his invasions were not victories as wrongly stated in the article. Below are the facts.
The Fifth Invasion and Encounter with the Marathas
Ahmad Shah Abdali’s first four attacks were devoted to annihilating the Mughal power in the northern India. In his fifth invasion he had to face the Marathas in the third Battle of Panipat. When Ahmad Shah Abdali annexed Sirhind, Punjab, Multan, Sindh and Kashmir, Adeena Beg the faujdar of Jalandhar invited Marathas from Delhi. He invited the Sikhs to conquer Sirhind, because he knew that the Sikhs were ever-ready to invade Sirhind and owing to the martyrdom of the younger Sahibzadas having taken place there called it “Gru damned Sirhind” (Guru Mari Sirhind). This way, the Sikhs and the Marhattas captured Sirhind and the later on they overran Lahore. The Abdali rule in the Punjab thus came to an end. The Marathas had their sway upto Attok and they appointed Adeena Beg the governor of the Punjab.
Ahmad Shah Abdali could not tolerate the seizing of the territory in the Punjab by Marathas and, therefore, he again invaded India with a fuller force. This was the fifth invasion by him. The Marathas also marched northwards from Deccan fully prepared. Abdali was commanding less troops, but by means of daring and superior military strategy, he carried the day against the Marathas who fell in the Battle of Panipat. Now, Abdali had one power in view, which he wanted to crush and it was the Sikhs.
Sixth Invasion the Massive Massacre of the Sikhs – Wada Ghullughara – 1762 The destroyer of the Mughal rule and the conqueror of the Marathas considered the Sikhs to be insignificant. The Sikhs had been affended by Afghans as they had destroyed Darbar Sahib, Amritsar. When Ahmad Shah Abdali’s son, Tamur Shah, and his general, Jahan Khan were returning to Kabul after ransacking Delhi, along with a lot of booty, the Sikh bands raided them seized a good quantity of plundered goods and chased the Durrani forces over a sufficient distance. It happened that in March 1757. Thereafter to wreak vengeance on the Sikhs, the Afghans attacked the town of Kartarpur (near Jalandhar) founded by Guru Arjun Sahib and set ablaze the Gurdwara Tham Sahib. On his way back from Delhi Abdali halted at Lahore where from he sent his troops to Amritsar and desecrated Sri Darbar Sahib.17 When Ahmad Shah Abdali was returning after his victory over Delhi, the Sikh bands attacked him near Goindwal and liberated about 2200 Hindu women from the clutches of the Afghans. The Sikhs bands pursued the Afghan forces upto the river Attock.18 In 1761 A.D. Ahmad Shah Abdali before leaving Lahore appointed Khwaja Ubaid the governor of Lahore and Khwaja Mirza Jaan the faujdar of Char Mahal (These char Mahals were Sialkot, Pasroor, Gujarat and Aurangabad). Mirza Jaan was killed while fighting the Sikhs, and thereafter Ahmad Shah sent Nooruddin to establish law and order in the Punjab. He was defeated by Charat Singh Shukarchakhia and he retired to Sialkot. Hearing this, Khwaja Ubaid who was the governor of Lahore gathered a large force and attacked Gujranwala, the capital city of the Shukarchakkia Misl. Charat Singh called upon the other Misaldars including Jassa Singh Ahluwalia, Jai Singh Ghanayya and Hari Singh Bhangi to come to his aid. The assembled Sikhs put Khwaja Ubaid to flight and he fled to shelter inside the Lahore fort. The Sikh chiefs pursued him and conquerred Lahore. Jassa Singh Ahluwalia made Saadat Khan faujdar flee. This way the Sikhs carried the day everywhere. The Sikhs decided to set right Aaqil Das Niranjania of Jandiala as he had been spying upon the Sikhs and reporting to Abdali. When Niranjani came to know of it he called Ahmed Shah Abdali to his support. Zain Khan the governor of Sirhind appointed by Abdali in Cis-Sutlej area was ill-at-ease on account of the Sikhs. He also persuaded Ahmad Shah to invade the Punjab to mend the Sikhs.19
Ahmed Shah Abdali made several invasions to occupy and annexe Punjab to Kabul kingdom. On every occasion he was harassed by the Sikh bands. The Sikh warriors bands, called Missal, began to occupy territory at various places. They conquered Lahore in 1765 and struck coin in the name of the Gurus. The Inscription of the coin was the same as that issued by Banda Singh Bahadur, viz Dego Tego Nusrat bedrang – Yaft as Nanak Guru Gobind Singh. The kettle and the sword (symbols of charity and power) victory and ready patronage have been obtained from Guru Nanak – Gobind Singh. The same inscription continued uptill 1849 when the Punjab was annexed. Most of the Punjab was occupied by the Sikh Misaldars. Ahmad Shah Abdali, the best horseman of his times in Asia, conqueror of Delhi, the age old capital of the Mughals, the victor of the Battle of Panipat where he gave crushing defeat to Marathas felt exhansted before the valiant Khalsa. He left Punjab and died in 1769 AD.
Writings about the Sikhs by a muslim:
A Tribute by Qazi Nur Mohammed Qazi Nur Mohammad son of Qazi Abdullah belonged to village Gunjaba in Baluchistan). He was with Nasir Khan of Kalat when the latter joined Ahmed Shah Abdali in his jehad against the Sikhs. Qazi Nur Mohammad has written the account of seventh invasion, of Ahmad Shah Adbali. Out of contempt for the Sikhs he calls them sag which is Persian means dog. dog of hell, pig eaters, accursed infidels, etc. But he has paid the highest tribute to the character of Sikhs of eighteenth century. A bigoted writer who has got strong prejudice against Sikhs paying such glowing tribute to their character, is a matter of pride for the Sikhs. he writes : Leaving aside their mode of fighting hear you another point in which they excel other fighting people. In no case they would slay a coward or put any obstacle in way of fugitive They do not plunder the wealth and ornament of women be she be a well to do lady or maid servant. There is no adultery among the dogs nor are these mischievous people given the thieving. Whether a woman young or old they call her 'budhya' an old lady and ask her to get out of the way. The word ' Buddya' in Indian lauguage means an old lady. There is no thief at all among these dogs nor is there any house breaker born amongst these miscreants. Because they do not make friend with adulterers and house breakers.32
The end result of Abdalis defeat and history onwards:
Subjugation of Afghan Turbulent Tribes of North Western Frontier The rule of Maharaja Ranjit Singh (1799-1839) will ever remain watershed in the annals of the trans-Indus regions especially Peshawar, Bannu as well as Hazara. All these areas alongwith Kashmir were a part of the Afghanistan. Olaf Caroe writes, "Ranjit Singh had wrested from Afghan their fairest provinces not only those east of Indus where Kabul rulers could claim no recial affinity, but Peshawar itself and Bannu, fertile gardens inhabited by proud people of Afghan and Pathan stock"33. Maharaja Ranjit singh undertook strong measures to subdue and control the ferocious tribes of north western frontier. These tribes had not ever been subjugated and brought under control as Attock District gazetteer, writes, "The Mughal sway was more nominal than real. They appear to have been content to levy revenue and there is nothing to show that any serious government was attempted. The whole district paid only half of a lakh of rupees and heads of each tribe were practically independent."34 After the conquest of Afghan principalities Kasur, Kashmir and Multan he led his legions across the Indus. This was a big challenge to the valiant Afghans who raised a cry of Jehad under Azim Khan ruler of Kabul. A big army was collected on the bank of river at Naushehra. (Distt Peshawar). Ranjit Singh won the decisive victory and surging crowds of Ghazis was dispersed in 1823 AD. Azim Khan died of the shock.35 After this decisive battle army of Ranjit Singh conquered Peshawar and its surrounding areas. Peshawar was annexed to Sikh kingdom in 1834 and Hari Singh Nalwa who has been described as an ideal Sikh soldier" by Olaf Caroe36 was appointed as its Governor. All these trans-Indus areas were never under any regular administration as it has been rightly stated by Olaf Caroe territorial link of administration has to be traced to its beginnings in the Sikh occupation of Peshawar."37 Maharaja Ranjit Singh and his general Hari Singh Nalwa dealt with the north western frontier tribes in two phases dividing it into two sectors viz(i) Hazara sector and (ii) Peshawar sector. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.113.202.252 ( talk) 03:35, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
Afghanistan Listeni/æfˈɡænɨstæn/ (Persian/Pashto: افغانستان, Afġānistān), officially the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan, is a landlocked country located in the centre of Asia, forming part of Central Asia, South Asia, and Greater Middle East,[9][10]
I can not find any information that supports Afghanistan as being part of the Greater Middle East. The references identified don't attribute or support Afghanistan as part of the Greater Middle East.
I would recommend striking the Middle East as it is not part of Afghanistan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crucible6 ( talk • contribs) 09:24, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
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Afghanistan Listeni/æfˈɡænɨstæn/ (Persian/Pashto: افغانستان, Afġānistān), officially the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan, is a landlocked country located in the centre of Asia, forming part of Central Asia, South Asia, and Greater Middle East,[9][10]
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Afghanistan Listeni/æfˈɡænɨstæn/ (Persian/Pashto: افغانستان, Afġānistān), officially the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan, is a landlocked country located in the centre of Asia, forming part of Central Asia and Southwest Asia.
Note: [9] [10] don't support Afghanistan as being a part of the Greater Middle East. Afghanistan is CLEARLY not part of the Middle East. Recommend deleting the two cites [9] and [10] and deleting "and Greater Middle East."
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please add to bibliography: Rob Johnson, The Afghan Way of War (Hurst and OUP, 2011) Drrobj ( talk) 11:18, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
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Afghanistan has never been considered to be East Asian 86.25.215.78 ( talk) 15:23, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
{{edit semi-protected|answered=no} Under Demographics the population of Kandahar is listed as 3,200. Kandahar lists the population as 512,200 cited by
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The narrative should include a mention of the utter British defeat? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.121.204.129 ( talk) 14:26, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
The Time Zone says "D† (UTC+4:30)" (The 'D' is what assume Delta Time Zone, a military standard). Shouldn't this be "AFT (UTC+4:30)", so that it follows the time zone indication of all other countries on Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.196.133.253 ( talk) 16:49, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
"The grain exports had been beneficial to people employed in agriculture, and the Carter embargo marked the beginning of hardship for American farmers. That same year, Carter also made two of the most unpopular decisions of his entire Presidency: prohibiting American athletes from participating in the 1980 Summer Olympics in Moscow, and reinstating registration for the draft for young males. Following the Soviet invasion, the United States supported diplomatic efforts to achieve a Soviet withdrawal. In addition, generous U.S. contributions to the refugee program in Pakistan played a major part in efforts to assist Afghan refugees."
This is relevant to the US perspective, but I do not find it pertinent to this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.30.179.86 ( talk) 22:25, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
Ok, I am reluctant to start messing around with this first without asking, but isn't the last paragraph or two of the intro not really very neutral? It mentions the ISAF being in Afghanistan to 'maintain security' (when it was working with the very people who had invaded Afghanistan in the first place and was taken over by NATO, which cannot be considered as some kind of neutral peacekeeping force in the country); secondly, to talk of the international community as 'rebuilding' Afghanistan is deeply misleading since it was the 'international community' that destroyed it in the first. Yes, I know the Afghans themselves and even further back the Soviets played their part too, but presenting the presence of NATO, the ISAF, America, Britain etc. as being there to maintain security and rebuild the country, just seems bizarre. No matter what you think of the rights or wrongs of it, the fact is that it was they who invaded the country back in 2001, starting the current war. Gerrynobody ( talk) 02:07, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
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In the paragraph beginning "The political history of the modern state of Afghanistan...", "ultra-conservatives" at the end of that sentence is misspelled "unltra-conservatives". KnownIssues ( talk) 16:04, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
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Someone with the privileges please Ctrl+F for two instances of "On the positive side," and remove them. This isn't the place to convey information with patronizing judgment value, it's the place to convey information, period. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.123.35.135 ( talk) 01:44, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
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Other languages besides the 2 official languages should be added to the page. Uzbek, Turkmen, Kyrgyz, Hazaragi, Russian, and some other langusges are also spoken in their respective areas by several million of the population and should be added to reflect this fact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Afgzee ( talk • contribs) 23:18, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
I think this presentation is not objective. The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan is not explicitly mentioned,giving the false impression that the US played the same role with the Soviet Union in the events prior to 1990. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.0.32.214 ( talk) 18:11, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
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Pashto, which is mainly spoken south of the mountain range of the Hindu Kush, is reportedly the mother tongue of 60% of the Afghan population.
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