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It's just another urban myth that has been debunked many times. ( 109.158.178.72 ( talk) 22:54, 22 December 2016 (UTC))
Can't we do better than calling him "a central figure of the Holocaust" in the lede? It makes it sound like there were other figures just as, if not more, central to the Final Solution. Granted, Hitler didn't pull the trigger or drop the Zyklon B. But he animated the whole bloody enterprise. Himmler, Heydrich and all the others were carrying out his vision. No Hitler, no Holocaust. Scaleshombre ( talk) 02:24, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
Should Hitler be classified as an author and military related figure (whatever title may apply), along with his current status as a politician in the article? Just figuring because he wrote Mein Kampf and was in the military, I'm wondering if that should be added. Mein Kampf Military Career of Adolf Hitler J4l0rz ( talk) 22:53, 28 December 2016 (UTC) J4l0rz
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I would like to change the cause of death by adding "ballistic trauma" after suicide. He committed suicide by shooting himself in the head. Gunshot wounds are called "ballistic trauma" Edisonk ( talk) 02:13, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
@ Alexb102072: and @ Maurice Smith:, while your enthusiasm is commendable, there appears to be a consensus among other editors that these edits aren't actually improving the article. In particular, you are adding unnecessary links (please see WP:OVERLINKING for advice on links to avoid) and changing text to be unnecessarily wordy. Please discuss any further such proposed changes here rather than try to repeatedly insert them - this is considered edit warring, and will lead to you being blocked if it continues. Nick-D ( talk) 00:41, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
Is there any objection to the inclusion of the image of Hitler as a child at school?-- Maurice Smith ( talk) 02:19, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
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Add two new categories into Adolf Hitler. 2601:583:C205:19D0:8F1:DED4:DF3D:FE8B ( talk) 19:58, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
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I believe the Nazi unemployment facts aren't detailed enough and would like to add details to them Danielm2002 ( talk) 21:19, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
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Hitler actually ordered nightly bombing raids on Britain in early September 1940, not the end of October 1940. ( 2A00:23C4:638C:4500:11D1:D119:5891:E1C ( talk) 17:32, 25 January 2017 (UTC))
Suicide is not a cause of death.It is a manner of death. Tilak441 ( talk) 10:26, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
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The Blitz began on 7 September 1940, not the end of October: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/10/did-a-nazi-bomb-land-near-your-house-during-the-blitz/ ( Sideboard1 ( talk) 19:37, 3 February 2017 (UTC))
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https://vault.fbi.gov/adolf-hitler http://yournewswire.com/fbi-hitler-didnt-die-fled-to-argentina-stunning-admission/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amydempster18 ( talk • contribs) 02:51, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
True, but was the body a body double of Hitler's or the so called Hitler that lived WWII a body double of Hitler's!? I smell a Conspiracy theory! Arthurboyz1 ( talk) 12:42, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
The article currently states "By 1933 the Nazi Party was the largest elected party in the German Reichstag, which led to Hitler's appointment as Chancellor on 30 January 1933."
This strictly is not true. Hitler was not appointed Chancellor simply because the Nazis were the largest party. Could this sentence not be better worded?-- Donald Ivanov ( talk) 23:32, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
The article currently undermines and ignores the fact that prior to Frank's statement in his memoirs that opponents of Hitler had been accusing him of having Jewish ancestry since the 1920s.
The third possibility is that Adolf Hitler's grandfather was Jewish. Rumours to that effect circulated in Munich cafes in the early 1920s, and were fostered by sensationalist journalism of the foreign press during the 1930s. It was suggested that the name `Huttler' was Jewish, `revealed' that he could be traced to a Jewish family called Hitler in Bucharest, and even claimed that his father had been sired by Baron Rothschild, in whose house in Vienna his grandmother had allegedly spent some time as a servant. But the most serious speculation about Hitler's supposed Jewish background has occurred since the Second World War, and is directly traceable to the memoirs of the leading Nazi lawyer and Governor General of Poland, Hans Frank, dictated in his Nuremberg cell while awaiting the hangman.
http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/k/kershaw-hitler.html
Could the paragraph about Frank not be simplified whilst including something regarding all of the various different rumours that were spread about Hitler's alleged Jewish ancestry?-- Donald Ivanov ( talk) 08:32, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
Rumours suggesting that Hitler's paternal grandfather was Jewish have existed since the 1920s and include various different theories. The most serious of the allegations comes from Nazi official Hans Frank who wrote whilst awaiting execution at Nuremberg in his memoirs that when Maria Schicklgruber gave birth to Alois she was working for a Jewish family named Frankenberger as a household cook in the town of Graz, and that her child might have been conceived out of wedlock with the family's 19-year-old son, Leopold Frankenberger. Historians such as Ian Kershaw and Brigitte Hamann dismiss Frank's thesis, pointing out that there is no evidence of a Frankenberger family living in Graz at that time, the various inaccuracies in Frank's account and also that all Jews had been expelled from Styria (which includes Graz) in the 15th century and were not allowed to return until the 1860s, several decades after Alois was born.
(I would add the various sources if this were to be allowed to replace what is currently in the article.)-- Donald Ivanov ( talk) 12:36, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
A recent which has been reverted attempted to add into the article "Austrian-born" again. Is there a specific reason that this is regularly attempted to be added into the article? The article points out quite clearly that Hitler was born in Austria in the second paragraph and that he only became a German citizen in 1932 is mentioned in the article as well.-- Donald Ivanov ( talk) 11:24, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
Ok people have a misunderstanding that he was a German. He was not a German. He was Austrian, who got German citizenship. This should be noted by calling him what he was, he was not German. He was an Austrian-born German politican. Just calling him incorrectly German gives the incorrect implication that he was German. Even atlases mistakenly make statements such as " German soil gave birth to a Mozart and a Hitler." Wrong, Hitler was Austrian NOT German. That he obtained German citizenship later doesn't make him German. I was just trying to clarify the facts. I know it says he was born in Austria in the second paragraph. I just think it should be noted he was an Austrian NOT a German, although he did gain German citizenship. NapoleonX ( talk) 08:30, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
Pincrete, thank you for addressing my views in a respectful and informative matter. I appreciate that. I understand why Adolf Hitler's birth is addressed the way it is. NapoleonX ( talk) 02:08, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
"equate nationality with place of birth"
I would equate nationality with the state of birth and the citizenship of the parents, not necessarily the place of birth.:
As for Charlie Chaplin, he was officially banned from re-entering the United States in 1952. The decision belonged to United States Attorney General James P. McGranery. Between 1952 and 1955, Chaplin sold all his property which remained on American soil. His wife renounced her American citizenship and took British citizenship. He finally entered the United States again for a brief visit in 1972. Otherwise he spend the final 25 years of his life in Europe. Dimadick ( talk) 15:36, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
"supposedly german born" Adolf Hitler is actually An Austrian and is also a Hypocrite because he wanted everyone to have blond hair blue eyes but what did he have? Black hair, brown eyes plus he was also half Jewish he came to germany with a sudden hatred for jews when german citizens went in to debt but the jews were doing fine because in those day Jews were rich — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheRedstoneTinkerer ( talk • contribs) 23:43, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
Please do use the talk section for the aim of improving the article rather than just posting utter hogwash.-- Donald Ivanov ( talk) 02:52, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
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Er, I found out some more information, so I er, would like to edit and put it in here myself? Thank you. 123kdkd12 ( talk) 02:06, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
I find that Wikipedia has inconsistency with the use of this term. It is used in the first paragraph of this article yet in the articles of living dictators who called themselves prime ministers, it is not used; for example, Prayut Chan-o-cha, the current dictator(2014-2017) of Thailand. For a dedicated soul it would do Wikipedia good to use this term consistently throughout the website. Either these people all were/are dictators based on a certain criteria or they aren't at all. NaturalEquality ( talk) 11:30, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
Every April 30 is known in Germany and some neighboring countries as Walpurgis Night and according to History Channel's Hitler and the Occult, this festival has a connection to reincarnation. 2601:589:4705:C7C0:81EC:7A23:F060:3FE ( talk) 12:55, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
I think [ this] is the documentary that OP is referring to, if anyone wishes to investigate further.— Preceding
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The article currently states "Historians, philosophers, and politicians often use the word "evil" to describe the Nazi regime." referenced with the source David Welch's Hitler: Profile of a Dictator on page 2. Has anyone actually bothered to read the page? It does not say that, it states "The word most commonly associated with Hitler is "evil" and commentators have been quick to emphasize his role and personal responsibility for the undeniable crimes committed by the Nazi regime." and then goes on to say that it's simply a moral judgement to describe Hitler as "evil" and explains nothing.
Does this sentence even need to be included in the article? If so, another source should be used because Welch's book does not state what is currently in the article.-- 79.70.129.151 ( talk) 17:59, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
"a short section dealing with past and contemporary historical viewpoints"
We already have an article called Historiography of Adolf Hitler, which should address such viewpoints. Dimadick ( talk) 22:52, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
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Death date and location formally and offically are unknown as to the recent evidence in the past few years that uncovered the fact that he escaped germany Namelessbeaver ( talk) 18:13, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
Since the FBI openly admitted that they were aware of his life post WW2, wouldn't it be safe to revise this article and summarize the FBI documents to track his life past that point? I mean, he did at least make it to Argentina after the war - instead of saying he "died in the bunker with eva"
https://vault.fbi.gov/adolf-hitler/adolf-hitler-part-01-of-04/view — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.10.219.221 ( talk) 17:54, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
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37.106.139.197 ( talk) 16:34, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
Mohamed Medhat was Hitler's best friend
Perhaps his first name appearing as Adolfus on his birth certificate [3] should be included in the Childhood and education section? Mcljlm ( talk) 23:41, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
I've seen that document floating around the internet, but do we have any sources about its authenticity?-- Bellerophon5685 ( talk) 05:05, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
Historians such as William Carr, Gerhard Weinberg, and Kershaw have argued that one reason for Hitler's rush to war was his fear of an early death.
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The term "German Reich" is extremely ambiguous. "Reich" in German just means "empire." By the Nazi count, the "First Reich" is the Holy Roman Empire, and the "Second Reich" is the German Empire after unification. Nazis see the "Third Reich" under the Nazi Party as the "Third Reich." So the term "German Reich" is extremely ambiguous. It should be replaced by "Third Reich" with the explanation that it refers to Nazi Germany alongside claimed and conquered territories, as that's the reason why the the term "Third Reich" is used instead of Nazi Germany.
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As dictator of the German Reich, he initiated World War II in Europe with the invasion of Poland in September 1939, and was central to the Holocaust. To: As dictator over Nazi Germany, he initiated World War II in Europe with the invasion of Poland in September 1939, and was central to the Holocaust. But then user Kierzek reverted to "German Reich" because " it covers Nazi Germany and all claimed and conquered land" The term "German Reich" to refer to the "Third Reich" is just silly, so I changed the sentence to: As dictator over the Third Reich (Nazi Germany alongside claimed and conquered territories) Thanks everyone. New account 2 ( talk) 13:54, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
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I understand that most of it is common knowledge but there are no citations at the top part of the article. Things such as "Hitler frequently denounced international capitalism and communism as being part of a Jewish conspiracy" and "whom he and his followers deemed Untermenschen ("sub-humans") and socially undesirable," for example, should be cited... 47.197.39.194 ( talk) 16:42, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
Adolf Hitler (German: [ˈadɔlf ˈhɪtlɐ] ; 20 April 1889 – 30 April 1945) was a German politician who was the leader of the Nazi Party (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei; NSDAP), Chancellor of Germany from 1933 to 1945, and Führer ("Leader") of Nazi Germany from 1934 to 1945. As dictator, he initiated World War II in Europe with the invasion of Poland in September 1939, and was central to the Holocaust.
To:
Adolf Hitler (German: [ˈadɔlf ˈhɪtlɐ] ; 20 April 1889 – 30 April 1945) was a German politician who was the leader of the Nazi Party (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei; NSDAP), Chancellor of Germany from 1933 to 1945, and Führer ("Leader") of Nazi Germany from 1934 to 1945. As Führer, he assumed dictatorial control over Germany, initiated aggressive policies toward neighboring states, and imposed oppressive policies toward Jews. He initiated World War II in Europe with the invasion of Poland in September 1939, and was central to the Holocaust.
Better background info in the lede.
- New account 2 ( talk) 22:13, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
The dictatorship has a section of its own.
Oppressive policies toward Jews:
The Nazis embraced the concept of racial hygiene. On 15 September 1935, Hitler presented two laws—known as the Nuremberg Laws—to the Reichstag. The laws banned sexual relations and marriages between Aryans and Jews and were later extended to include "Gypsies, Negroes or their bastard offspring".[340] The laws stripped all non-Aryans of their German citizenship and forbade the employment of non-Jewish women under the age of 45 in Jewish households.[341] Hitler's early eugenic policies targeted children with physical and developmental disabilities in a programme dubbed Action Brandt, and he later authorised a euthanasia programme for adults with serious mental and physical disabilities, now referred to as Action T4.[342]
Aggressive policies toward neighboring states:
On 9 April, German forces invaded Denmark and Norway. On the same day Hitler proclaimed the birth of the Greater Germanic Reich, his vision of a united empire of Germanic nations of Europe in which the Dutch, Flemish, and Scandinavians were joined into a "racially pure" polity under German leadership.[250] In May 1940, Germany attacked France, and conquered Luxembourg, the Netherlands, and Belgium. These victories prompted Mussolini to have Italy join forces with Hitler on 10 June. France and Germany signed an armistice on 22 June.[251] Kershaw notes that Hitler's popularity within Germany – and German support for the war – reached its peak when he returned to Berlin on 6 July from his tour of Paris.[252] Following the unexpected swift victory, Hitler promoted twelve generals to the rank of field marshal during the 1940 Field Marshal Ceremony.[253][254]
I think these are only the main points we need to cover in the lede.
As to FlightTime, I don't know to which portion of the discussion you refer to.
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Adolf Hitler (German: [ˈadɔlf ˈhɪtlɐ] ; 20 April 1889 – 30 April 1945) was a German politician who was the leader of the Nazi Party (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei; NSDAP), Chancellor of Germany from 1933 to 1945, and Führer ("Leader") of Nazi Germany from 1934 to 1945. As Führer, he assumed dictatorial control over Germany, promoted fascism and militarism over Nazi Germany, initiated aggressive policies toward neighboring states, and imposed oppressive policies toward Jews. He initiated World War II in Europe with the invasion of Poland in September 1939, and was central to the Holocaust. - New account 2 ( talk) 18:00, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
The lead is fine as it is per Britmax and myself. Since New account 2 insists on wasting other editors time on similar issues (and the German Reich discussion above) I sill indorse a WP:DONTFEED attitude regarding this user, but please carry on as you wish. - FlightTime ( open channel) 16:14, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
To what extent do you believe that an argument on good faith edits is a "waste of time?"Because it is clear to me you have absolutely no intention on agreeing on anything except your version and now I'm going to go feed something that's worth nurturing. - FlightTime ( open channel) 16:49, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
By the time the German invasion of Poland began the Soviets had already agreed to invade Poland as well. ( 2A00:23C4:638D:D500:3D04:DBEE:16A3:4071 ( talk) 15:50, 22 July 2017 (UTC))
Whatever the timetable, the Soviets absolutely had blood on their hands in the mutilation of Poland. What made Germany's invasion the start of another world war in Europe, though, was Britain and France's decision to (finally) respond to Hitler's aggression with force. Scaleshombre ( talk) 17:11, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
Despite never being listed with such on any other official records, government or not, a French police record from 1924 lists Hitler's middle name as 'Jacob'. Idk if this was a common practice or just a fluke but if this record could be authenticated by someone who knows more about this sort of thing than I do, should it be noted somewhere on the article? BedrockPerson ( talk) 14:30, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
The website hosting the police record should remove any doubts about its historical "value" (and the webmaster's sanity). Scaleshombre ( talk) 03:47, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
Is there really any need for Hitler's christened name to be in the lede of the article? He certainly never addressed himself as "Adolphus" but just "Adolf".
It could be added into the "Childhood and education" bit but to stress it in the lede is a bit unnecessary if you ask me. Thoughts?-- Sein und Zeit ( talk) 13:26, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
In the section "Austria and Czechoslovakia" there is only one short sentence about the Anschluss with Austria yet there are a few paragraphs about Czechoslovakia. There were a few events prior to the actual annexation of Austria to Germany i.e the July Putsch in 1934, the Austrofascism period in which both Dollfuss and Schuschnigg hoped for the independence of Austria and opposed Hitler's plans to annex it to the Reich.
I have two proposals that could possibly make the information for Austria and Czechoslovakia more balanced:
1) A little bit more information regarding the Anschluss, I think a paragraph would probably be sufficient which would mention the idea of a Greater Germany uniting all Germans into a nation-state, a sentence about the Austrofascism opposition to it and Hitler's final demands and keeping the sentence that is currently in the article.
2) Somehow shorten some of the text about Czechoslovakia.
Thoughts?-- Sein und Zeit ( talk) 15:44, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
The article says that Hitler was the fourth of six children born to Alois Hitler and Klara Pölzl, and that three of his siblings — Gustav, Ida, and Otto — died in infancy. The article on Hitler's father says that Adolf Hitler was the third of six children of whom four — Gustav, Ida, Otto and Edmund — died in childhood. Who can say which is correct? Moletrouser ( talk) 16:32, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
Should the birth order of Adolf and his siblings be changed to show Adolf as third of six children born to Alois Hitler and Klara Pölzl?
Sources showing Adolf as fourth-born include:
Kershaw lists the six siblings as follows:
I'm not sure whether the division into "survey" and "threaded discussion" serves its purpose. Anyway, let's continue with the different related topics:
Here is the parish register in perfect quality. While most readers here are certainly not able to read Kurrent, still it's similar enough to undoubtedly identify the key facts. Year is 1892 (upper left corner). Entry 44 is Otto, son of Alois Hitler, customs officer, and Klara Pölzl (mothers are consistently registered with their maiden names), born 17 June, 1892, baptised the next day, died on 23 June 1892. There is no margin left for doubt or error. No comment of historians is needed for confirmation, unless you seriously suspect a huge conspiracy to fake those data. Wikipedia's job is to collect secured knowledge, and this is secured knowledge. -- KnightMove ( talk) 15:39, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
Historians have regarded Hitler's rank in the birth order as noteworthy. What would be the base to claim it were not? Who are we to claim as noteworthy that Adolf was the oldest surviving child of his parents? With those older two half-siblings living among them, that might be perfectly irrelevant. -- KnightMove ( talk) 15:39, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
As the article infant informs us, there are different definitions and usages of the term. Edmund died at the age of six and may well be counted... or not. Here we can't just give one unqualified statement of "three". -- KnightMove ( talk) 15:39, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
I have an original authentic german silver SS ring with a devil gie has no armor on bud does have hornes. Could anyone tell me anything about it? Michelle357 ( talk) 18:02, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
The article currently states that Hitler joined the same day as when Anton Drexler gave him a copy of his own pamphlet My Political Awakening, this is not true.
Kershaw writes:
According to Hitler's own account, unable to sleep he read Drexler's pamphlet in the early, and it struck a chord with him, reminding him, he claimed, of his own 'political awakening' twelve years earlier. Within a week of attending the meeting, he then received a postcard informing him that he had been accepted as a member, and should attend a committee meeting of the party a few days later to discuss the matter. Though his immediate reaction, he wrote, was a negative one - he allegedly wanted to found a party of his own - curiosity overcame him and he want along to a dimly-lit meeting of the small leadership group in the Altres Rosenbag, a shabby pub in Herrenstraße. He sympathized with the political aims of those he met. But he was appalled, he later wrote, at the small-minded organisization he encountered - 'club life of the worst manner and sort', he dubbed it. After a few days of indecision, he added, he finally made up his mind to join. What determined him was the feeling that such a small organization offered 'the individual an opportunity for real personal activity' - the prospect, that is, of quickly making his mark and dominating it. Some time during the second half of September, Hitler joined the German Workers' Party, and was given the membership number 555. He was not, as he always claimed, the seventh member.
— Hitler 1889-1936: Hubris, pp. 126-127
-- Sein und Zeit ( talk) 18:15, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
Go for it! Even in the current source (Routledge Companion to Nazi Germany), I couldn't find anything backing up the claim that Hitler joined the same day Drexler gave him his pamphlet. In fact, it doesn't even mention the pamphlet. Scaleshombre ( talk) 20:07, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
I think it would be better if "Austrian Germans" were changed to "German Austrians". The German-speaking Austrians (ethnic Germans) of the Austro-Hungarian Empire generally referred to themselves as "German Austrians" and after WWI the name of Austria was "German-Austria" not "Austria-German". Hitler referred to the Austrians as "German Austrians" as did the other Austrian pan-Germans such as Schönerer (see Brigitte Hamann Hitler's Vienna for numerous of references). The majority of the books I've read also use "German Austrians" over "Austrian Germans" when referring to the ethnic Germans of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, like Hitler. When it comes to Hitler himself, a Bavarian judge at the Beer Hall Putsch refused to deport Hitler back to Austria and described him as a "German-Austrian". I don't really see how such a change is controversial in the slightest or even a reason to be reverted.
Also, "Hitler began to develop" vs "Hitler developed" both essentially mean the same thing to the reader.-- Sein und Zeit ( talk) 12:36, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
You said in your reason for reverting that "In English this has a reverse meaning....as in born in Germany. ....is is simply not how we say this in English" - that is not true. The usage of both "Austrian Germans" or "German Austrians" doesn't in any way imply an Austrian-born who has moved to Germany or a German-born who has moved to Austria, they are both specifically talking about Austrians belonging to the ethnic group Germans. The facts are that the Austrian pan-Germans emphasised their German identity by considering themselves as German Austrians, Hitler was one of them. As I've also mentioned, a judge from Germany at the trial for his involvement in the Beer Hall Putsch refused to deport him because he regarded Hitler as a "German-Austrian" (note - not the other way around).-- Sein und Zeit ( talk) 18:17, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
Hi, there seems to be somewhat of a reluctance to add any material that would significantly increase the size of this article because it's already passed the recommended 10,000 words but if we look at other significant figures such as Churchill (18752 words), Stalin (18401 words) and Napoleon (15900 words), then why is there a certain apprehension about adding more words to this article? There are several areas of Hitler's life in the article that have very little mention or could certainly be expanded.-- Sein und Zeit ( talk) 11:08, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
User:Moxy reverted my edit here with the claim that my attribution was "oddly placed" and "makes flow all wrong". Really? The paragraph where I added the information is about Hitler's first expression of antisemitism and my edit was about Hitler's first publicly known antisemitic remarks in a letter to Adolf Gemlich in 1919. Does no one else think that this material should be included into the article?-- Sein und Zeit ( talk) 18:08, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
I've removed it as it disturbs the timeline of the whole page and because this subsection on AH's developing anti-semitism is a complex topic that disturbs the clarity of this section of his early life in Vienna and Munich. It needs to be dealt with in the kind of detail you are providing elsewhere. See previous discussion on this. -- Mystichumwipe ( talk) 18:21, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
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It's just another urban myth that has been debunked many times. ( 109.158.178.72 ( talk) 22:54, 22 December 2016 (UTC))
Can't we do better than calling him "a central figure of the Holocaust" in the lede? It makes it sound like there were other figures just as, if not more, central to the Final Solution. Granted, Hitler didn't pull the trigger or drop the Zyklon B. But he animated the whole bloody enterprise. Himmler, Heydrich and all the others were carrying out his vision. No Hitler, no Holocaust. Scaleshombre ( talk) 02:24, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
Should Hitler be classified as an author and military related figure (whatever title may apply), along with his current status as a politician in the article? Just figuring because he wrote Mein Kampf and was in the military, I'm wondering if that should be added. Mein Kampf Military Career of Adolf Hitler J4l0rz ( talk) 22:53, 28 December 2016 (UTC) J4l0rz
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I would like to change the cause of death by adding "ballistic trauma" after suicide. He committed suicide by shooting himself in the head. Gunshot wounds are called "ballistic trauma" Edisonk ( talk) 02:13, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
@ Alexb102072: and @ Maurice Smith:, while your enthusiasm is commendable, there appears to be a consensus among other editors that these edits aren't actually improving the article. In particular, you are adding unnecessary links (please see WP:OVERLINKING for advice on links to avoid) and changing text to be unnecessarily wordy. Please discuss any further such proposed changes here rather than try to repeatedly insert them - this is considered edit warring, and will lead to you being blocked if it continues. Nick-D ( talk) 00:41, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
Is there any objection to the inclusion of the image of Hitler as a child at school?-- Maurice Smith ( talk) 02:19, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
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Add two new categories into Adolf Hitler. 2601:583:C205:19D0:8F1:DED4:DF3D:FE8B ( talk) 19:58, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
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I believe the Nazi unemployment facts aren't detailed enough and would like to add details to them Danielm2002 ( talk) 21:19, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
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Hitler actually ordered nightly bombing raids on Britain in early September 1940, not the end of October 1940. ( 2A00:23C4:638C:4500:11D1:D119:5891:E1C ( talk) 17:32, 25 January 2017 (UTC))
Suicide is not a cause of death.It is a manner of death. Tilak441 ( talk) 10:26, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
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The Blitz began on 7 September 1940, not the end of October: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/10/did-a-nazi-bomb-land-near-your-house-during-the-blitz/ ( Sideboard1 ( talk) 19:37, 3 February 2017 (UTC))
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https://vault.fbi.gov/adolf-hitler http://yournewswire.com/fbi-hitler-didnt-die-fled-to-argentina-stunning-admission/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amydempster18 ( talk • contribs) 02:51, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
True, but was the body a body double of Hitler's or the so called Hitler that lived WWII a body double of Hitler's!? I smell a Conspiracy theory! Arthurboyz1 ( talk) 12:42, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
The article currently states "By 1933 the Nazi Party was the largest elected party in the German Reichstag, which led to Hitler's appointment as Chancellor on 30 January 1933."
This strictly is not true. Hitler was not appointed Chancellor simply because the Nazis were the largest party. Could this sentence not be better worded?-- Donald Ivanov ( talk) 23:32, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
The article currently undermines and ignores the fact that prior to Frank's statement in his memoirs that opponents of Hitler had been accusing him of having Jewish ancestry since the 1920s.
The third possibility is that Adolf Hitler's grandfather was Jewish. Rumours to that effect circulated in Munich cafes in the early 1920s, and were fostered by sensationalist journalism of the foreign press during the 1930s. It was suggested that the name `Huttler' was Jewish, `revealed' that he could be traced to a Jewish family called Hitler in Bucharest, and even claimed that his father had been sired by Baron Rothschild, in whose house in Vienna his grandmother had allegedly spent some time as a servant. But the most serious speculation about Hitler's supposed Jewish background has occurred since the Second World War, and is directly traceable to the memoirs of the leading Nazi lawyer and Governor General of Poland, Hans Frank, dictated in his Nuremberg cell while awaiting the hangman.
http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/k/kershaw-hitler.html
Could the paragraph about Frank not be simplified whilst including something regarding all of the various different rumours that were spread about Hitler's alleged Jewish ancestry?-- Donald Ivanov ( talk) 08:32, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
Rumours suggesting that Hitler's paternal grandfather was Jewish have existed since the 1920s and include various different theories. The most serious of the allegations comes from Nazi official Hans Frank who wrote whilst awaiting execution at Nuremberg in his memoirs that when Maria Schicklgruber gave birth to Alois she was working for a Jewish family named Frankenberger as a household cook in the town of Graz, and that her child might have been conceived out of wedlock with the family's 19-year-old son, Leopold Frankenberger. Historians such as Ian Kershaw and Brigitte Hamann dismiss Frank's thesis, pointing out that there is no evidence of a Frankenberger family living in Graz at that time, the various inaccuracies in Frank's account and also that all Jews had been expelled from Styria (which includes Graz) in the 15th century and were not allowed to return until the 1860s, several decades after Alois was born.
(I would add the various sources if this were to be allowed to replace what is currently in the article.)-- Donald Ivanov ( talk) 12:36, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
A recent which has been reverted attempted to add into the article "Austrian-born" again. Is there a specific reason that this is regularly attempted to be added into the article? The article points out quite clearly that Hitler was born in Austria in the second paragraph and that he only became a German citizen in 1932 is mentioned in the article as well.-- Donald Ivanov ( talk) 11:24, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
Ok people have a misunderstanding that he was a German. He was not a German. He was Austrian, who got German citizenship. This should be noted by calling him what he was, he was not German. He was an Austrian-born German politican. Just calling him incorrectly German gives the incorrect implication that he was German. Even atlases mistakenly make statements such as " German soil gave birth to a Mozart and a Hitler." Wrong, Hitler was Austrian NOT German. That he obtained German citizenship later doesn't make him German. I was just trying to clarify the facts. I know it says he was born in Austria in the second paragraph. I just think it should be noted he was an Austrian NOT a German, although he did gain German citizenship. NapoleonX ( talk) 08:30, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
Pincrete, thank you for addressing my views in a respectful and informative matter. I appreciate that. I understand why Adolf Hitler's birth is addressed the way it is. NapoleonX ( talk) 02:08, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
"equate nationality with place of birth"
I would equate nationality with the state of birth and the citizenship of the parents, not necessarily the place of birth.:
As for Charlie Chaplin, he was officially banned from re-entering the United States in 1952. The decision belonged to United States Attorney General James P. McGranery. Between 1952 and 1955, Chaplin sold all his property which remained on American soil. His wife renounced her American citizenship and took British citizenship. He finally entered the United States again for a brief visit in 1972. Otherwise he spend the final 25 years of his life in Europe. Dimadick ( talk) 15:36, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
"supposedly german born" Adolf Hitler is actually An Austrian and is also a Hypocrite because he wanted everyone to have blond hair blue eyes but what did he have? Black hair, brown eyes plus he was also half Jewish he came to germany with a sudden hatred for jews when german citizens went in to debt but the jews were doing fine because in those day Jews were rich — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheRedstoneTinkerer ( talk • contribs) 23:43, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
Please do use the talk section for the aim of improving the article rather than just posting utter hogwash.-- Donald Ivanov ( talk) 02:52, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
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Er, I found out some more information, so I er, would like to edit and put it in here myself? Thank you. 123kdkd12 ( talk) 02:06, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
I find that Wikipedia has inconsistency with the use of this term. It is used in the first paragraph of this article yet in the articles of living dictators who called themselves prime ministers, it is not used; for example, Prayut Chan-o-cha, the current dictator(2014-2017) of Thailand. For a dedicated soul it would do Wikipedia good to use this term consistently throughout the website. Either these people all were/are dictators based on a certain criteria or they aren't at all. NaturalEquality ( talk) 11:30, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
Every April 30 is known in Germany and some neighboring countries as Walpurgis Night and according to History Channel's Hitler and the Occult, this festival has a connection to reincarnation. 2601:589:4705:C7C0:81EC:7A23:F060:3FE ( talk) 12:55, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
I think [ this] is the documentary that OP is referring to, if anyone wishes to investigate further.— Preceding
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The article currently states "Historians, philosophers, and politicians often use the word "evil" to describe the Nazi regime." referenced with the source David Welch's Hitler: Profile of a Dictator on page 2. Has anyone actually bothered to read the page? It does not say that, it states "The word most commonly associated with Hitler is "evil" and commentators have been quick to emphasize his role and personal responsibility for the undeniable crimes committed by the Nazi regime." and then goes on to say that it's simply a moral judgement to describe Hitler as "evil" and explains nothing.
Does this sentence even need to be included in the article? If so, another source should be used because Welch's book does not state what is currently in the article.-- 79.70.129.151 ( talk) 17:59, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
"a short section dealing with past and contemporary historical viewpoints"
We already have an article called Historiography of Adolf Hitler, which should address such viewpoints. Dimadick ( talk) 22:52, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
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Death date and location formally and offically are unknown as to the recent evidence in the past few years that uncovered the fact that he escaped germany Namelessbeaver ( talk) 18:13, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
Since the FBI openly admitted that they were aware of his life post WW2, wouldn't it be safe to revise this article and summarize the FBI documents to track his life past that point? I mean, he did at least make it to Argentina after the war - instead of saying he "died in the bunker with eva"
https://vault.fbi.gov/adolf-hitler/adolf-hitler-part-01-of-04/view — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.10.219.221 ( talk) 17:54, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
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37.106.139.197 ( talk) 16:34, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
Mohamed Medhat was Hitler's best friend
Perhaps his first name appearing as Adolfus on his birth certificate [3] should be included in the Childhood and education section? Mcljlm ( talk) 23:41, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
I've seen that document floating around the internet, but do we have any sources about its authenticity?-- Bellerophon5685 ( talk) 05:05, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
Historians such as William Carr, Gerhard Weinberg, and Kershaw have argued that one reason for Hitler's rush to war was his fear of an early death.
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The term "German Reich" is extremely ambiguous. "Reich" in German just means "empire." By the Nazi count, the "First Reich" is the Holy Roman Empire, and the "Second Reich" is the German Empire after unification. Nazis see the "Third Reich" under the Nazi Party as the "Third Reich." So the term "German Reich" is extremely ambiguous. It should be replaced by "Third Reich" with the explanation that it refers to Nazi Germany alongside claimed and conquered territories, as that's the reason why the the term "Third Reich" is used instead of Nazi Germany.
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As dictator of the German Reich, he initiated World War II in Europe with the invasion of Poland in September 1939, and was central to the Holocaust. To: As dictator over Nazi Germany, he initiated World War II in Europe with the invasion of Poland in September 1939, and was central to the Holocaust. But then user Kierzek reverted to "German Reich" because " it covers Nazi Germany and all claimed and conquered land" The term "German Reich" to refer to the "Third Reich" is just silly, so I changed the sentence to: As dictator over the Third Reich (Nazi Germany alongside claimed and conquered territories) Thanks everyone. New account 2 ( talk) 13:54, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
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I understand that most of it is common knowledge but there are no citations at the top part of the article. Things such as "Hitler frequently denounced international capitalism and communism as being part of a Jewish conspiracy" and "whom he and his followers deemed Untermenschen ("sub-humans") and socially undesirable," for example, should be cited... 47.197.39.194 ( talk) 16:42, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
Adolf Hitler (German: [ˈadɔlf ˈhɪtlɐ] ; 20 April 1889 – 30 April 1945) was a German politician who was the leader of the Nazi Party (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei; NSDAP), Chancellor of Germany from 1933 to 1945, and Führer ("Leader") of Nazi Germany from 1934 to 1945. As dictator, he initiated World War II in Europe with the invasion of Poland in September 1939, and was central to the Holocaust.
To:
Adolf Hitler (German: [ˈadɔlf ˈhɪtlɐ] ; 20 April 1889 – 30 April 1945) was a German politician who was the leader of the Nazi Party (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei; NSDAP), Chancellor of Germany from 1933 to 1945, and Führer ("Leader") of Nazi Germany from 1934 to 1945. As Führer, he assumed dictatorial control over Germany, initiated aggressive policies toward neighboring states, and imposed oppressive policies toward Jews. He initiated World War II in Europe with the invasion of Poland in September 1939, and was central to the Holocaust.
Better background info in the lede.
- New account 2 ( talk) 22:13, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
The dictatorship has a section of its own.
Oppressive policies toward Jews:
The Nazis embraced the concept of racial hygiene. On 15 September 1935, Hitler presented two laws—known as the Nuremberg Laws—to the Reichstag. The laws banned sexual relations and marriages between Aryans and Jews and were later extended to include "Gypsies, Negroes or their bastard offspring".[340] The laws stripped all non-Aryans of their German citizenship and forbade the employment of non-Jewish women under the age of 45 in Jewish households.[341] Hitler's early eugenic policies targeted children with physical and developmental disabilities in a programme dubbed Action Brandt, and he later authorised a euthanasia programme for adults with serious mental and physical disabilities, now referred to as Action T4.[342]
Aggressive policies toward neighboring states:
On 9 April, German forces invaded Denmark and Norway. On the same day Hitler proclaimed the birth of the Greater Germanic Reich, his vision of a united empire of Germanic nations of Europe in which the Dutch, Flemish, and Scandinavians were joined into a "racially pure" polity under German leadership.[250] In May 1940, Germany attacked France, and conquered Luxembourg, the Netherlands, and Belgium. These victories prompted Mussolini to have Italy join forces with Hitler on 10 June. France and Germany signed an armistice on 22 June.[251] Kershaw notes that Hitler's popularity within Germany – and German support for the war – reached its peak when he returned to Berlin on 6 July from his tour of Paris.[252] Following the unexpected swift victory, Hitler promoted twelve generals to the rank of field marshal during the 1940 Field Marshal Ceremony.[253][254]
I think these are only the main points we need to cover in the lede.
As to FlightTime, I don't know to which portion of the discussion you refer to.
- New account 2 ( talk) 22:42, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
Adolf Hitler (German: [ˈadɔlf ˈhɪtlɐ] ; 20 April 1889 – 30 April 1945) was a German politician who was the leader of the Nazi Party (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei; NSDAP), Chancellor of Germany from 1933 to 1945, and Führer ("Leader") of Nazi Germany from 1934 to 1945. As Führer, he assumed dictatorial control over Germany, promoted fascism and militarism over Nazi Germany, initiated aggressive policies toward neighboring states, and imposed oppressive policies toward Jews. He initiated World War II in Europe with the invasion of Poland in September 1939, and was central to the Holocaust. - New account 2 ( talk) 18:00, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
The lead is fine as it is per Britmax and myself. Since New account 2 insists on wasting other editors time on similar issues (and the German Reich discussion above) I sill indorse a WP:DONTFEED attitude regarding this user, but please carry on as you wish. - FlightTime ( open channel) 16:14, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
To what extent do you believe that an argument on good faith edits is a "waste of time?"Because it is clear to me you have absolutely no intention on agreeing on anything except your version and now I'm going to go feed something that's worth nurturing. - FlightTime ( open channel) 16:49, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
By the time the German invasion of Poland began the Soviets had already agreed to invade Poland as well. ( 2A00:23C4:638D:D500:3D04:DBEE:16A3:4071 ( talk) 15:50, 22 July 2017 (UTC))
Whatever the timetable, the Soviets absolutely had blood on their hands in the mutilation of Poland. What made Germany's invasion the start of another world war in Europe, though, was Britain and France's decision to (finally) respond to Hitler's aggression with force. Scaleshombre ( talk) 17:11, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
Despite never being listed with such on any other official records, government or not, a French police record from 1924 lists Hitler's middle name as 'Jacob'. Idk if this was a common practice or just a fluke but if this record could be authenticated by someone who knows more about this sort of thing than I do, should it be noted somewhere on the article? BedrockPerson ( talk) 14:30, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
The website hosting the police record should remove any doubts about its historical "value" (and the webmaster's sanity). Scaleshombre ( talk) 03:47, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
Is there really any need for Hitler's christened name to be in the lede of the article? He certainly never addressed himself as "Adolphus" but just "Adolf".
It could be added into the "Childhood and education" bit but to stress it in the lede is a bit unnecessary if you ask me. Thoughts?-- Sein und Zeit ( talk) 13:26, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
In the section "Austria and Czechoslovakia" there is only one short sentence about the Anschluss with Austria yet there are a few paragraphs about Czechoslovakia. There were a few events prior to the actual annexation of Austria to Germany i.e the July Putsch in 1934, the Austrofascism period in which both Dollfuss and Schuschnigg hoped for the independence of Austria and opposed Hitler's plans to annex it to the Reich.
I have two proposals that could possibly make the information for Austria and Czechoslovakia more balanced:
1) A little bit more information regarding the Anschluss, I think a paragraph would probably be sufficient which would mention the idea of a Greater Germany uniting all Germans into a nation-state, a sentence about the Austrofascism opposition to it and Hitler's final demands and keeping the sentence that is currently in the article.
2) Somehow shorten some of the text about Czechoslovakia.
Thoughts?-- Sein und Zeit ( talk) 15:44, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
The article says that Hitler was the fourth of six children born to Alois Hitler and Klara Pölzl, and that three of his siblings — Gustav, Ida, and Otto — died in infancy. The article on Hitler's father says that Adolf Hitler was the third of six children of whom four — Gustav, Ida, Otto and Edmund — died in childhood. Who can say which is correct? Moletrouser ( talk) 16:32, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
Should the birth order of Adolf and his siblings be changed to show Adolf as third of six children born to Alois Hitler and Klara Pölzl?
Sources showing Adolf as fourth-born include:
Kershaw lists the six siblings as follows:
I'm not sure whether the division into "survey" and "threaded discussion" serves its purpose. Anyway, let's continue with the different related topics:
Here is the parish register in perfect quality. While most readers here are certainly not able to read Kurrent, still it's similar enough to undoubtedly identify the key facts. Year is 1892 (upper left corner). Entry 44 is Otto, son of Alois Hitler, customs officer, and Klara Pölzl (mothers are consistently registered with their maiden names), born 17 June, 1892, baptised the next day, died on 23 June 1892. There is no margin left for doubt or error. No comment of historians is needed for confirmation, unless you seriously suspect a huge conspiracy to fake those data. Wikipedia's job is to collect secured knowledge, and this is secured knowledge. -- KnightMove ( talk) 15:39, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
Historians have regarded Hitler's rank in the birth order as noteworthy. What would be the base to claim it were not? Who are we to claim as noteworthy that Adolf was the oldest surviving child of his parents? With those older two half-siblings living among them, that might be perfectly irrelevant. -- KnightMove ( talk) 15:39, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
As the article infant informs us, there are different definitions and usages of the term. Edmund died at the age of six and may well be counted... or not. Here we can't just give one unqualified statement of "three". -- KnightMove ( talk) 15:39, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
I have an original authentic german silver SS ring with a devil gie has no armor on bud does have hornes. Could anyone tell me anything about it? Michelle357 ( talk) 18:02, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
The article currently states that Hitler joined the same day as when Anton Drexler gave him a copy of his own pamphlet My Political Awakening, this is not true.
Kershaw writes:
According to Hitler's own account, unable to sleep he read Drexler's pamphlet in the early, and it struck a chord with him, reminding him, he claimed, of his own 'political awakening' twelve years earlier. Within a week of attending the meeting, he then received a postcard informing him that he had been accepted as a member, and should attend a committee meeting of the party a few days later to discuss the matter. Though his immediate reaction, he wrote, was a negative one - he allegedly wanted to found a party of his own - curiosity overcame him and he want along to a dimly-lit meeting of the small leadership group in the Altres Rosenbag, a shabby pub in Herrenstraße. He sympathized with the political aims of those he met. But he was appalled, he later wrote, at the small-minded organisization he encountered - 'club life of the worst manner and sort', he dubbed it. After a few days of indecision, he added, he finally made up his mind to join. What determined him was the feeling that such a small organization offered 'the individual an opportunity for real personal activity' - the prospect, that is, of quickly making his mark and dominating it. Some time during the second half of September, Hitler joined the German Workers' Party, and was given the membership number 555. He was not, as he always claimed, the seventh member.
— Hitler 1889-1936: Hubris, pp. 126-127
-- Sein und Zeit ( talk) 18:15, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
Go for it! Even in the current source (Routledge Companion to Nazi Germany), I couldn't find anything backing up the claim that Hitler joined the same day Drexler gave him his pamphlet. In fact, it doesn't even mention the pamphlet. Scaleshombre ( talk) 20:07, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
I think it would be better if "Austrian Germans" were changed to "German Austrians". The German-speaking Austrians (ethnic Germans) of the Austro-Hungarian Empire generally referred to themselves as "German Austrians" and after WWI the name of Austria was "German-Austria" not "Austria-German". Hitler referred to the Austrians as "German Austrians" as did the other Austrian pan-Germans such as Schönerer (see Brigitte Hamann Hitler's Vienna for numerous of references). The majority of the books I've read also use "German Austrians" over "Austrian Germans" when referring to the ethnic Germans of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, like Hitler. When it comes to Hitler himself, a Bavarian judge at the Beer Hall Putsch refused to deport Hitler back to Austria and described him as a "German-Austrian". I don't really see how such a change is controversial in the slightest or even a reason to be reverted.
Also, "Hitler began to develop" vs "Hitler developed" both essentially mean the same thing to the reader.-- Sein und Zeit ( talk) 12:36, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
You said in your reason for reverting that "In English this has a reverse meaning....as in born in Germany. ....is is simply not how we say this in English" - that is not true. The usage of both "Austrian Germans" or "German Austrians" doesn't in any way imply an Austrian-born who has moved to Germany or a German-born who has moved to Austria, they are both specifically talking about Austrians belonging to the ethnic group Germans. The facts are that the Austrian pan-Germans emphasised their German identity by considering themselves as German Austrians, Hitler was one of them. As I've also mentioned, a judge from Germany at the trial for his involvement in the Beer Hall Putsch refused to deport him because he regarded Hitler as a "German-Austrian" (note - not the other way around).-- Sein und Zeit ( talk) 18:17, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
Hi, there seems to be somewhat of a reluctance to add any material that would significantly increase the size of this article because it's already passed the recommended 10,000 words but if we look at other significant figures such as Churchill (18752 words), Stalin (18401 words) and Napoleon (15900 words), then why is there a certain apprehension about adding more words to this article? There are several areas of Hitler's life in the article that have very little mention or could certainly be expanded.-- Sein und Zeit ( talk) 11:08, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
User:Moxy reverted my edit here with the claim that my attribution was "oddly placed" and "makes flow all wrong". Really? The paragraph where I added the information is about Hitler's first expression of antisemitism and my edit was about Hitler's first publicly known antisemitic remarks in a letter to Adolf Gemlich in 1919. Does no one else think that this material should be included into the article?-- Sein und Zeit ( talk) 18:08, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
I've removed it as it disturbs the timeline of the whole page and because this subsection on AH's developing anti-semitism is a complex topic that disturbs the clarity of this section of his early life in Vienna and Munich. It needs to be dealt with in the kind of detail you are providing elsewhere. See previous discussion on this. -- Mystichumwipe ( talk) 18:21, 14 August 2017 (UTC)