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The President of Serbia was meeting with the Emperor when the earthquake hit. I think that's important enough to add it to the article.
I think the introduction should go on like this:
I think you should also include that it is the 7th largest in recorded history globally ( List of earthquakes) Please add wikilinks and other citations to the above. The introduction has been taken from the 2004 Indian Ocean Earthquake article. Rishabh Tatiraju ( talk) 08:06, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Someone deleted everything! Rthmn3021 ( talk) 08:01, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Why does the "Deaths and Casualties" section keep changing! Somebody keeps changing it back to "1 confirmed death" but there is no citation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rthmn3021 ( talk • contribs) 07:55, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
The death toll has reached 19 dead... Any change soon?-will —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.210.164.48 ( talk) 09:14, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
What happened to the nice map!?! Why is the USGS one back? I think both should be there for extra information.... (- rthmn3021) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rthmn3021 ( talk • contribs) 07:50, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
What's the source for the downgrade to magnitude 8.4? The page linked to as a citation still says 8.9. Dylan Thurston ( talk) 07:08, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Watching CNN and News ticker says "Yen has dropped sharply" -Anonymous
Actually, 8.4 seems to be the main one with two more around 7.4. At least one is aftershock but the other one seems to be caused by the main one.-- Revth ( talk) 07:17, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Rishabh Tatiraju ( talk) 07:24, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
It appears that the Japan Meteorological Service uses a different scale from the USGS, hence the 8.4 JMS rating and 8.9 USGS rating. Both are linked in the lead, so I think that's appropriate. rdfox 76 ( talk) 07:36, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Japan Meteorological Agency official named 東北地方太平洋沖地 in japan.-- 素手@Sudepedia ( talk) 07:38, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
The current scale is M 8.9 according to USGS. The event ID of the earthquake is usc0001xgp. That only reason i was created the article with the event ID here. Reason is, if a big earthquake is occured, later possible to so many aftershocks on the location. We are working for Integrated Tsunami Watcher Service since 2004 Indian ocean earthquake. That only reson my most contributions are based earthquake and tsunami. Gnuismail ( talk) 07:39, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
JMA announced that the estimate is now M8.8. This makes it the largest earthquake ever recorded in Japan by JMA. -- Revth ( talk) 08:39, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
JMA scale measures intensity, similar to the Modified Mercalli Intensity scale (MMI). JMA gave a Shindo number of 7 in the Northern Miyagi Prefecture, which would correlate to approximately 8-9 on the MMI scale. drgribb ( talk) 12:00, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
We might want to consider the article on the JMA's ratings. That article says clearly that the top is 7, while we are in this article showing citations of well above that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.177.146.240 ( talk) 14:21, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Do we need the "and tsunami", I mean is obvious many earthquakes have tsunamies and we do not list them in their titles. Tbhotch* ۩ ۞ 07:20, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
The official name of the earthquake has been released from Japan Meteorological Agency [1], "The 2011 off the Pacific coast of Tohoku Earthquake".-- 180.6.76.104 ( talk) 11:08, 11 March 2011 (UTC) Multiple webpages reporting the waves height in Hawaii as high as 6 feet (conservatively) Especially in Kahului Harbor —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.17.166.2 ( talk) 16:52, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Probably a good-faith edit, but the 113 number comes from this report, with an inset about a quake in New Zealand [2] -- joe decker talk to me 08:02, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Eight people confirmed dead according to your source, at least two from http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/mar/11/japan-earthquake — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elhehir ( talk • contribs) 08:45, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Just heard on the tv news that there is a tsunami watch for Alaska, Washington & Oregon coasts -- & I assume for the Canadian Pacific coasts too. Reported ETA for the first tsunami waves to reach Seaside, Oregon is 7:24am PST. -- llywrch ( talk) 08:07, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
a few mins ago i read that the est. death toll was 30 million. where did they get this number? it has since been removed.
Can't edit this myself, so: citation for Hawaii school closures is at http://doe.k12.hi.us/ under School Closures. [2] ScottLeibrand ( talk 09:08, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
new updated bulletins:
Bulletin 5 from WC&ATWC (1:45AM PST): [4] (text) [5] (graphic): OR, most of CA, and the aleutians under a Tsunami Warning, other area's under Tsunami Advisory.
Bulletin 5 for Hawaii from the PTWC (11:30 PM HST): [6] Warning for Hawaii.
Bulletin 5 for the Pacific basin from the PTWC (0930 UTC): [7] Tsunami warnings for JAPAN / RUSSIA / MARCUS IS. / N. MARIANAS / GUAM / WAKE IS. /
TAIWAN / YAP / PHILIPPINES / MARSHALL IS. / BELAU / MIDWAY IS. / POHNPEI / CHUUK / KOSRAE / INDONESIA / PAPUA NEW GUINEA / NAURU / JOHNSTON IS. / SOLOMON IS. / KIRIBATI / HOWLAND-BAKER / HAWAII / TUVALU / PALMYRA IS. / VANUATU / TOKELAU / JARVIS IS. / WALLIS-FUTUNA / SAMOA / AMERICAN SAMOA / COOK ISLANDS / NIUE / FIJI / NEW CALEDONIA / TONGA / MEXICO / KERMADEC IS / FR. POLYNESIA / PITCAIRN / GUATEMALA / EL SALVADOR / COSTA RICA / NICARAGUA / ANTARCTICA / PANAMA / HONDURAS / CHILE / ECUADOR / COLOMBIA / PERU
If someone wants to update from those, here's the ref's for you. Gecko G ( talk) 10:10, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
PTWC Tsunami Warning Bulletin 6 just came out. Ref: http://www.weather.gov/ptwc/text.php?id=pacific.2011.03.11.103059 From that, here are the wave activity measurements:
MEASUREMENTS OR REPORTS OF TSUNAMI WAVE ACTIVITY GAUGE LOCATION LAT LON TIME AMPL PER DART 21415 50.2N 171.8E 0845Z 0.27M / 0.9FT 52MIN WAKE US 19.3N 166.6E 0928Z 0.39M / 1.3FT 14MIN NAHA OKINAWA JP 26.2N 127.7E 0901Z 0.25M / 0.8FT 60MIN SAIPAN US 15.2N 145.7E 0916Z 0.65M / 2.1FT 30MIN TOSASHIMIZU SHIKOKU 32.8N 133.0E 0753Z 0.92M / 3.0FT 68MIN OMAEZAKI HONSHU JP 34.6N 138.2E 0818Z 1.42M / 4.6FT 56MIN DART 21419 44.5N 155.7E 0716Z 0.40M / 1.3FT 20MIN DART 21413 30.5N 152.1E 0659Z 0.76M / 2.5FT 32MIN HANASAKI HOKKAIDO J 43.3N 145.6E 0657Z 2.79M / 9.2FT 76MIN DART 21401 42.6N 152.6E 0643Z 0.67M / 2.2FT 40MIN DART 21418 38.7N 148.7E 0619Z 1.08M / 3.5FT 06MIN
Note that the DART locations are shown at: http://map.ngdc.noaa.gov/website/mgg/dart/viewer.htm BobC32 10:39, 11 March 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by BobC32 ( talk • contribs)
thanks BobC32, I was trying to add the same ref. Interestingly though bulletin 6 from the WC&ATWC has different tide guage reading for Wake & Saipan (and the other locations), so I'm not sure what to make of that. (here: [8]) Gecko G ( talk) 10:48, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
The image currently posted needs to be changed to reflect the universal earthquake map for notable quakes on Wikipedia. -- Ajcadoo ( talk) 08:11, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Aljazeera mentioned on the live video on youtube, but I don't know how to reference it.-- Packinheat2u ( talk) 08:45, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Germany offered its support as well, with Guido Westerwelle stating that “If help is necessary, the Germans will naturally come to the aid of our partner Japan,” he told broadcaster ZDF, adding that leaders there had not yet asked for help. http://www.thelocal.de/national/20110311-33655.html
Either the entire section should get deleted or every country offering aid should be listed, not just the US and UK. Wrong impression. 188.118.130.233 ( talk) 12:35, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
I'm on a slower connection, so any time I try to edit it reports a edit conflict because others complete edits before I can get mine done. The Aftershock was 7.1, not 7.7, per the USGS. Someone wanna fix that please, thanks. Gecko G ( talk) 08:48, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
At the moment, the list of aftershocks -- per the USGS ---can be see at: http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/quakes_big.php ... which is showing quite a few; USGS showing the largest one as 7.7 BobC32 10:11, 11 March 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by BobC32 ( talk • contribs)
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184.144.160.156 (
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There's a geophysics map available: File:145 40.png
If we had a geophysics section, it would be good to place there. 184.144.160.156 ( talk) 09:06, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
JATWC issued a no threat bulletin at 7:07 PM EDT. Full bulletin here: http://www.bom.gov.au/tsunami/national.shtml — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tsangk ( talk • contribs) 09:30, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
According to the Hong Kong Observatory, which issued a tsunami information bulletin at 15:55 HKT / 16:55 JST [9] [10], the tsunami is expected to reach Hong Kong, and the height is estimated to be less than 0.5 metre. 09:32, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
“ | Tsunami Information and Warning
Tsunami Information Bulletin Tsunami Information Bulletin issued by the Hong Kong Observatory at 3:55 p.m. on 11 Mar 2011. A severe earthquake of magnitude 8.4 occurred near east coast of Honshu, Japan at about 1:47 p.m. on 11 Mar 2011. The earthquake has generated a tsunami which affects the Pacific. However, it is unlikely that Hong Kong and the neighbouring coastal areas will be significantly affected. The rise in the local sea level is expected to be less than half a metre, which is much lower than the normal day-to-day tidal variation of about one metre. Precautionary announcement: 1. Please stay tuned to the radio or television for further information. Dispatched by Hong Kong Observatory at 15:53 HKT on 11.03.2011 For Tsunami Information and Warning in the past three months, click here. [11] |
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It was forecast that the tsunami shall reach HK by 2100 HKT, 2200 JST or 1300 UTC. The Chief Executive of Hong Kong has sent condolence to the people of Japan, and the Hong Kong Government has issued a travel alert for Japan at the red level. 12:51, 11 March 2011 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.198.25.138 ( talk)
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184.144.160.156 ( talk) 09:45, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Done Ravendrop 09:48, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
I've removed the following section named "Destruction" since the sources don't support its content:
“ | Based on data from the Japan Meteorological Agency, it is estimated the town of Kurihara has been completely destroyed. [12] [13] | ” |
If there are proper sources for it feel free to add it back. Amalthea 10:13, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
FNC just reported on live TV Kurihara being "totally destroyed" as of 9:34 AM EST. Not putting back in pending confirmation, but that's what I just heard. rdfox 76 ( talk) 14:34, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Please see the Japan Meteorological Agency's Flash. Earthquakes are observed throughout Japan. I live 400 miles away from the epicenter. The tsunami reached a height of about 5feet 3hours after the earthquake.-- 218.222.108.203 ( talk) 10:32, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Hello, the earthquake was strongly felt as far as Tokyo, 1000km southward (!). Please help to collect sources to specify where the earthquake was perceived, and with which force. Yug 10:35, 11 March 2011 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.120.55.63 ( talk)
Please update with ETA for USA coast. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.191.199.130 ( talk) 10:37, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/03/11/AR2011031101285.html
Epicentre in the introduction should be changed to hypocentre, since that is what the sentence describes. 82.196.164.98 ( talk) 10:48, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
There are two tsunami maps now available, one or both might be useful in the tsunami section.
184.144.160.156 ( talk) 11:14, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
The infobox has an entry for aftershocks, but the various news channels are talking about several foreshocks. It would be good to add info about that. 184.144.160.156 ( talk) 11:16, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
http://www.businessinsider.com/fukushima-nuclear-plant-2011-3 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.190.232.60 ( talk) 11:43, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Sky reporting falling water levels confirmed — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.191.199.130 ( talk • contribs) 12:50, 11 March 2011
http://www.businessinsider.com/fukushima-nuclear-plant-2011-3 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42025882/ns/world_news-asiapacific/
These are valid sources. POST.
BBC News - Japan tsunami Is it possible to reference BBC's twitter/news feed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eug.galeotti ( talk • contribs) 12:13, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
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New international reactions to the earthquake,
http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/World/Story/STIStory_644053.html
76.97.4.84 ( talk) 12:20, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Massive earthquake and tsunamis hit Japan; 46 dead, many missing Eug.galeotti ( talk) 12:23, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Reuters has the same information, [17] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.97.4.84 ( talk) 12:31, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
I ask this because I don't really consider drops in oil prices as "Businesses" but rather as "Markets", so possibly renaming the topic? If it's fine as it is, then an update can be made. RTE.ie states that there was drop in oil prices as the quake in Japan struck, as well as anticipated demonstrations in Saudi Arabia; Oil prices drop after Japan quake. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eug.galeotti ( talk • contribs) 13:00, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Watching this video it is pretty obvious that the 40 dead we mention in the lede is going to be a vast understatement. I am looking for a reliable source now, not necessarily for the confirmed death total so far, but from someone who at least indicates in some reasonable way what the magnitude of this is.-- Jimbo Wales ( talk) 13:05, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
I added in the intro that total death toll is expected to be far higher (with sources), although I don't think wild estimates of the final total numbers are likely to be useful at this stage, even if sourced, which is why no reliable sources are giving such figures right now.-- Pontificalibus ( talk) 15:46, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011%E5%B9%B4%E6%9D%B1%E5%8C%97%E5%9C%B0%E6%96%B9%E5%A4%AA%E5%B9%B3%E6%B4%8B%E6%B2%96%E5%9C%B0%E9%9C%87 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.240.101.246 ( talk) 13:09, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
JMA is calling this "The 2011 off the Pacific coast of Tohoku Earthquake" - so is 2011 off the Pacific coast of Tohoku earthquake a reasonable article title? I realise it's awkward but if there is an official or commonly-used name we'd want to stick with it. Dcoetzee 13:17, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
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Just a small edit on the original magnitude of the quake measured, in the second sentence of the article: "It was measured at 7[3] on the Japan Meteorological Agency seismic intensity scale..." should actually be: "It was measured at 7.9[3] on the Japan Meteorological Agency seismic intensity scale..."
121.113.84.21 ( talk) 13:51, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
I want to write this but it's protected.
France64160 ( talk) 14:01, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
I notice we mention both 4 nuclear reactors shut down - and later say 11. Which is it? Also I didn't see any mention of the chemical plant fire (cosmo refinery) or of the whirlpool we see such amazing pictures of. Rmhermen ( talk) 14:08, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
88.000 missing people, that was just reported by the local agencies.
Can't find proper english link yet, but several in other languages, like http://www.n-tv.de/panorama/Offenbar-88-000-Menschen-vermisst-article2810866.html. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.143.115.181 ( talk) 15:48, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Yes it seems many agencies are reporting 88,000 missing people, however I posted that on this wiki page but it was removed — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trendwick ( talk • contribs) 15:52, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
I guess there's no hurry, but it will have to be added sooner or later (I just hope the numbers won't get even worse). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.143.115.181 ( talk) 15:56, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
The source http://hken.ibtimes.com/articles/121789/20110311/japan-quake-death-toll-rises-to-500-8-9-magnitude-earthquake.htm claims 110,000 missing. I'm wary about that number though, seems rather arbitrary, and would wither wait for confirmation by other sources, or add this with a disclaimer that only this particular source reported that high number. Amalthea 17:47, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
The 80 000 missing is most likely a mistake from journalists (the beeb) in reading the wire from Kyodo saying "Death toll from Japan quake rises to 88, 349 missing: police", a wire followed "Death toll from Japan quake rises to 110, 350 missing: police". So 349 missing at that moment, not 80 000. Kyodo is the source I have seen quoted for the "80 000" statement, and Kyodo never had a wire saying "80 000". http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/index.html ThompsonSwe ( talk) 18:55, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYrJoWNR4Ho shows images, it was said on the BBC that the area was about 4,5x2,5 km large. Don't have a written source though. -- Yaamboo ( talk) 16:23, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Dutch response is not added yet. The Dutch Minister of Safety and Justice (Netherlands), Ivo W. Opstelten, has said his support to Japan and that the Netherlands would sent troops when necessary. Dutch Wikipedia says the same. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.71.189.148 ( talk) 16:36, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
I assume this is drawn from the chart here: Largest earthquakes#Largest earthquakes by magnitude
Two of the earthquakes listed higher took place before the invention of seismographs that recorded data in 1875. But here we see "[the 2011 earthquake is] the seventh largest in the world since records began." Records began in or after 1875, nicht wahr? 98.223.64.102 ( talk) 16:39, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
I ask this because I have already come across news sources about the Italian embassy reporting contact lost with 28 Italians ( Terremoto in Giappone, persi i contatti con 28 italiani) and the Singapore embassy in Tokyo has reported no Singaporeans are hurt ( Singaporeans unhurt in Japan quake: MFA). Just wondering if it may be suitable (or possibly still too soon/uncertain) to have this information added. Eug.galeotti ( talk) 17:03, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
The article currently says "It has also been confirmed that a ship carrying 100 people was swept away by the tsunami and smashed into north-eastern Japan", but the source given with that sentence doesn't say that the ship smashed into north-eastern Japan, the source says that the ship went missing and the tsunami smashed into north-eastern Japan. -- 94.134.216.119 ( talk) 17:23, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. -- 94.134.216.119 ( talk) 17:43, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
I've been watching the news, and so far I can tell you some of the damage seen firsthand. About 35 boats broke loose from their moorings in Crescent City, along with one in Santa Cruz. Crescent City so far seems to be getting the worst of it. Can someone gather data on the effects of the tsunami on the West Coast and record them in this article?-- Zhane Masaki ( talk) 17:50, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Gather the information yourself, Zhane. 217.41.243.16 ( talk) 17:57, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
"By 09:30 March 12 UTC, Google Person Finder, which was previously used in the Haiti, Chile, and Christchurch earthquakes, was collecting information about survivors and their locations.[49] [50]"
Shouldn't it be March 11? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.163.119.20 ( talk) 17:55, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
"The CEO of U.S. insurance firm Aflac says the company is making a 100 million yen ($1.2 million) donation to International Red Cross to aid relief efforts. He says that the firm's Tokyo office is open, the Sendai office is closed, and that 'we have assessed all of our [Japan] offices and they are all in good shape'." From the Reuters Liveblog. [22] Another addition is the wave is travelling at 1km per 4 seconds, approximately 559 mph. Also noted in the liveblog.
This is life footage of the quake. Just seconds after the earth stopped shaking, a computer screen is seen with a map of Japan, a mark for the epicenter and the zones of expected tsunami impact. Does anybody know how that warning system works – overruling other internet activity and bringing itself up on the screen? Henning Blatt ( talk) 18:02, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
NHK just announced that the Tokyo Electric Power Company will vent the Fukushima nuclear power plant to buy the coolant shipping more time. 70.162.4.214 ( talk) 19:08, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
It's articles like this one that really showcase the best of what wikipedia is capable of. Current events. This is so much more comprehensive and more readable than any one press release or article located elsewhere. Congrats to wikipedia on accomplishments such as this. Daniel Christensen ( talk) 19:22, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
agreed, breaking news stories on wikipedia read better and provide much more information than a single standalone news agency. Moreover, they provide up to the second updates that the same news agencies can't provide. JBDRanger ( talk) 19:56, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Ironically enough, Wikipedia is current acting as a more useful summary since it is citing its sources, something news outlets are too busy falling overthemselves to report terrible and imminent further tragedy to do. LionsPhil ( talk) 13:16, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
As noted on the history pages, some may consider the map too light a contrast for easy legibility. Some + 1. A compromise of a more medium tone might be in order, thanks. -- TheLastWordSword ( talk) 19:52, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
I do agree. Wipsenade ( talk) 20:01, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Can we get rid of the arrival times for the tsunami waves as they have already occurred hours ago? JBDRanger ( talk) 20:05, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Done. Wipsenade ( talk) 20:08, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Should we have a new article about the non-aftershock 6.6 12 March 2011 Nagano earthquake ? 184.144.160.156 ( talk) 20:11, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Probably yes. Wipsenade ( talk) 20:21, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Don't think so. Even if it's not non-aftershock due to science, it's connected in people's minds. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.94.85.186 ( talk) 20:53, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
O.K. Wipsenade ( talk) 10:56, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
Solive 24: http://weathernews.jp/solive24/ (In Japanese)
Live Earthquake map:
http://weathernews.jp/quake/ (In Japanese)
Both weathernews.jp, also has special section for this: http://weathernews.jp/tohoku_quake2011/
91.156.234.20 ( talk) 21:01, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Not sure where this would fit, but the Toronto District School Board offered a condolence notice for the Japanese community in Toronto:
WhisperToMe ( talk) 21:38, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Pope Benedict XVI was "deeply saddened by the brutal and tragic consequences of the severe earthquake and tsunami that struck north-eastern coastal regions" of Japan, a telegram sent by Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone on his behalf to Japan's Roman Catholic bishops says. The pope was praying for the dead and hoped that their families and friends would find "strength and consolation", it adds. - Ref: bbc.co.uk/news Kittybrewster ☎ 21:51, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
several sources state that there might have very well been a radiation leak at one of the Nuclear facicilies. JBDRanger ( talk) 21:53, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
I think it's insulting that so much detail is given on the deaths of a few morons who decided it was fun to get close to killer waves/currents. This is incredibly minor and should be removed, why on EARTH is it there? Do you know how bad it looks? -- Τασουλα (Shalom!) ( talk) 22:28, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
still a death... still a lost human life in this —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.10.66.198 ( talk) 22:30, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Western numbers for dead and missing are all over the map, and most of the numbers are highly dubious. As of 6 AM Japan time on March 12, TBS Japan is reporting confirmed 400 dead and 700+ missing. [23] Jpatokal ( talk) 22:40, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
I'm struggling to find a reliable source for the whirlpool created near the epicentre. The best I could find was this BBC page with a video clip included ( LINK). If this is acceptable enough, then I would ask if it would be possible for someone to add this to the article, as I am not so certain which section would be most suitable to place it in. Would the "Earthquake" section be more suitable? Eug.galeotti ( talk) 18:20, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
While we sit debating the name of the article, adding diplomat's boo-hoos, and reformulating dates in reference links, hasn't anyone noticed that none of the stuff that is showing non-stop of the news is actually in the article. No mention of the huge fires, the hundreds of homes washed to sea, the collapsed buildings hundreds of kilometers away, the closure of the airports and subways, .... Rmhermen ( talk) 18:30, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Daniel Christensen ( talk) 19:38, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
INSARAG Teams: USAID SAR Team 1 (Fairfax County, VA) IEC: Heavy USAR -- http://vosocc.unocha.org/USAR_Directory/USARTeam.asp?USARTeamID=96 USAID SAR Team 2 (Los Angeles, CA) IEC: Heavy USAR -- http://vosocc.unocha.org/USAR_Directory/USARTeam.asp?USARTeamID=108
http://www.usaid.gov/press/releases/2011/pr110311.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.96.91.120 ( talk) 18:55, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
All I heard are that 1 person died in Crescent City and 3 people are missing. -- Vrysxy! ( talk) 20:20, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
According to the sources, it lists five casualties, with one presumed dead. I am amending the casualties section in reference to this one man to "presumed dead" instead of the current "found dead" as there is no information leading to the conclusion that a body exists. It appears, based on the articles, authorities presume he is dead due to weather conditions but have not recovered a body. 173.28.153.124 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 00:06, 12 March 2011 (UTC).
I think sortable would be better. Any objections? Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 23:21, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
I tried earlier, but with the difference in units (cm/m) i found it hard to do, but i don't know that much syntax to fix it. but i had the same thought a while ago. if you know how to do it better i have no objections. JBDRanger ( talk) 23:23, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Done i just converted the units as you suggested and it all works fine. JBDRanger ( talk) 23:56, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Which is right? The article says it is in the top five yet this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Largest_earthquakes#Largest_earthquakes_by_magnitude says it is number 6. 71.224.5.174 ( talk) 17:18, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
The article says the Pacific Plate is subducting under the North American Plate in the article. Pretty sure it's the eurasian plate. Not sure how to sign comments, I usually just make small edits to wikipedia so I don't bother with an account -Dimbulb0 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dimbulb0 ( talk • contribs) 02:08, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
The article now reads 1000 dead. The reuters article sourced says "set to exceed" and gives no confirmed toll. NHK World is reporting ~350, TBS is reporting ~400. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.189.158.9 ( talk) 18:56, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
CNN is reporting 1000 as the "official" death toll so far. Gingermint ( talk) 06:04, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
TF1 says at least 1,500 dead —Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.0.170.39 ( talk) 15:23, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
Preliminary Damage caused by 2011 earthquake off northeastern Taiheiyou Country is based on the 23:21 nuclear emergency law, to residents within a 3 km radius of a nuclear power plant Unit 2 of Fukushima, a 3 km radius outside the "evacuation instructions" issued. In addition, directed the evacuation of residents within the interior radius of 3 km to 10 km. District Name evacuation instruction: City Ookuma District 1, District 2, District 3,Kazuhisa Hiroshi Futabachō (Hosoya, Koriyama, Niiyama, Shimozyou, Yamada, Hamano)
平成23年東北地方太平洋沖地震による被害状況速報
詳しくは、こちらのページをご覧ください。
21時23分 国は原子力災害対策法にもとづき、福島第1原子力発電所2号機から半径3キロメートル以内の住民に対して、半径3キロメートル外への「避難指示」を出しました。 併せて、半径3キロメートルから10キロメートル以内の住民に対して屋内待避を指示しました。
According to this source, 19 people have died http://www.news24.jp/articles/2011/03/11/07177776.html 87.183.84.45 ( talk) 09:11, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
In the introductory paragraph, the article states that "There are over 1000 dead and 700+ missing in over 6 different prefectures", yet however this recent news article states that just over 400 are CONFIRMED dead and 700+ missing; http://www.smh.com.au/environment/more-than-1000-feared-killed-in-monster-quake-20110312-1brpt.html?from=smh_sb Obamas Barrack ( talk) 01:37, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
I see your point; I suppose we will have no reliable source of information until accurate statistics are put in. I would at least like the article to be consistent with the casualty numbers; In the introductory paragraph, it states "at least 1000 people have died and another 700+ are missing in six different prefectures", yet under Casualties it states "[The] Tokyo Broadcasting System (TBS) has confirmed approximately 400 dead and another approximately 700 missing in six different prefectures (also reported as over 1100 dead/missing combined)". I think that the intro paragraph statement should be changed accordingly to match the second one. Obamas Barrack ( talk) 01:59, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
The television footage shows a clearly unsurvivable wave of water arriving at coastal communities. This wave will have impacted a very long section of coastline. When the scope and consequence of this event are considered, clearly the casualty figures being stated are gross underestimations. The same early underestimation occurred in 2004. It is important that we don't "cheer the score along upward", this isn't a football game. It is also important that the magnitude of this tragedy is identified and that appropriate assistance activities are underway. Thankyou for your time reading this. Lyle. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.217.59.183 ( talk) 21:34, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
Altering the estimated death toll from 600 to 6,000,000 is not funny or clever. It just makes you a worthless piece of garbage with no respect for what's looking like over a thousand people who have died. Don't vandalize death reports on a current event. Oh, and go to hell. The Cap'n ( talk) 17:59, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
I also agree. If you have been noticing the "briefing-in" paragraph explaining what the earthquake was at the beginning of the article, someone has been repeatedly putting "It has been feared Godzilla has now been awakened and that the death toll is much higher now due to his greatness" or something. Plus, as a sidenote, from time to time someone will post random garbage, like "Ryan Woods is awesome" and so on. By the way, the whole Earthquake section of the article just vanished. Was this a vandal, or intended to happen until we get more accurate information on it? Obamas Barrack ( talk) 00:19, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
I just made [[Wikipedia:Requests for page protection# 2011_Sendai_earthquake_and_tsunami ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)|another request for semi-protection]] since the old one expired a few hours ago. Too many anonymous IP vandals to handle with the edit rate on this page otherwise... Flodded ( talk) 00:32, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, I agree about the trashy vandals being kiked out. Wipsenade ( talk) 10:06, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
Okay, I haven't seen any sources yet that put the figure anywhere NEAR that high, yet "over 9000" is a meme that has already been "joked" about on this article. Is this undetected vandalism, and by an established user? Could use some help checking. - Drlight11 ( talk) 20:56, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Source: BBC.) Back to Japan now: The official Kyodo news agency is reporting that about 88,000 people are missing. ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12307698?OCID=twwnabbc) — Preceding unsigned comment added by PeoBey ( talk • contribs) 21:22, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
We could list out thousands of places with tsunami warnings or that received a few extra cm of water. Obviously this is not feasible, nor is it encyclopedic. I suggest a good balance would be to only list places that have reported more than minor damage, have reported casualties, have reported large-scale evacuations in mainstream media, or are otherwise notable. Having a listing for a small island that reported "two small waves" and no damage, for example, seems rather excessive. Flodded ( talk) 21:13, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
AFP report "dam in NE Japan ruptures, homes washed away" need proper sourcing and writing up.
Rich
Farmbrough,
21:14, 11 March 2011 (UTC).
"Oil prices have also dropped as a result of the earthquake in Japan, as well as the ongoing violence in Libya and expected demonstrations in Saudi Arabia, seeing US crude drop as low as $99.01 from $100.08 by lunchtime, along with Brent crude falling $2.62 to $112.81." Can someone explain why these things, especially the second and third are attributed causes of oil prices to dropping. Rich Farmbrough, 21:30, 11 March 2011 (UTC).
Where is the international response article? Intoronto1125 ( talk) 23:12, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Because of transportation disruptions, it appears that a lot of newspapers in the Tokyo area were not delivered this morning, including mine. Since Japanese news doesn't have as much of an Internet presence, it means that, for right now, most of the breaking news on this earthquake within Japan will be via television. For the editors in Japan, remember, it's ok to cite a television news program in an article. Just put the news program, network, time, and date. Cla68 ( talk) 00:08, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
There's been a lot of vandalism on this article. Please Semi-Protect. OpenInfoForAll ( talk) 00:53, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
Just how long did the shaking go on? No mention of the duration at all in the article. 99.2.69.235 ( talk) 01:11, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
According to this eye-witness video ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzAs8V9tLaI&feature=related), in the description it says that the "real intense" parts of the earthquake lasted about 3 minutes, although there were many aftershocks and it didn't clarify which actual time it happened... Obamas Barrack ( talk) 01:24, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
This article could do with a more general timeline on top of that: First detection, warnings, main quake, tsunami warnings, tsunami making land, maximum extent of water, time for water to recede etc. 78.86.61.94 ( talk) 05:54, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
At this point even subjective descriptions are informative. I've been searching for seismigraph images but haven't found any as yet. The continuous-time recorders should give a good indication of the earthquake duration and progress over time. 99.2.69.235 ( talk) 06:03, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
The "Other regions affected" is starting to look silly. That big table consists mostly of areas where authorities took precautionary measures (as they should) but where the feared tsunami turned out to be nothing. If we were to add a column for "reported damage" it would for the most part consist of "none" or "minor". Yes I know, one guy in California is dead and a few docks were damaged here and there but we don't need a huge table to say this and in the wider picture these are anecdotes. We should stick to the principle of due weight. Pichpich ( talk) 01:38, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
Hi, could anybody please explain what is up with editing of this article. I want to contribute to this article, especially from the point of view of original Japanese language news sources which are scarcely cited here. Suddenly, I cannot contribute anything anymore because the article history says "protected" for 2 whole days until 14. That's a long time to wait. This is very surprising to me. I don't understand why the article is protected against editing by editors such as me. I am not a vandal. The big problem with the article is it is relying too much on English language sources which are relatively much more incomplete about the facts than the Japanese language news sources. Please help me!! Thank you. Sign: A Saku ( talk) 01:47, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
I suppose that you are not an "auto-confirmed" user, then. Because of the large amounts of vandals and vandalism that have occurred before, we had to put it under some sort of restriction, as they were deleting whole articles of information instead of just minor annoying inconveniences. You would have to talk to someone of a higher ranking than me if you wanted to edit the article, under these current circumstances. Obamas Barrack ( talk) 01:52, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
Was there really and truly a big problem of "large amounts" of vandals and vandalism? Sorry if I have misunderstood you, but looking at the history I can't see there was a serious problem. To my thinking, vandalism is very easy and quick to correct or remove by honest helpful editors. I am sure I not the only person in this situation. I would really very much like to contribute to the article. I can read/write Japanese and also have access to original Japanese language news sources, and would like to help improve the article. Can anybody please offer practical help about this issue? A Saku ( talk) 02:06, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
I see. Thank you to both of you for explaining that. Looking at the vandalism edits, I agree they are annoying, but it seems to me like a relatively small number of edits in total. It seems unnecessary to me to stop the article being edited in this way. I would be more than willing to volunteer to remove or undo all the vandalism edits I find for the next several hours if the protection could be removed! I would be happy to stand up to that. I would love to edit the article. It is very frustrating for me to see incorrect and missing information, and not be able to edit the article myself. I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "edit via the talk page here"? and "edit semi-protected requests". Do you mean that every time I would like to edit the article in any way, I would first have to make a comment here on this page? Sorry to be a nuisance, but could you explain how these things work a bit more please? A Saku ( talk) 02:31, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
A Saku, I have placed a request for your account to be 'confirmed' - here. I hope that will be processed soon, and then you will be able to edit the article. Chzz ► 02:30, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
Done
Thank you, Chzz. I must admit I don't fully understand the implications of "confirmed" status, but if it means I can resume editing of the article, I would be thrilled! Thank you to all of you for your helpful and patient explanations about the way things work. A Saku ( talk) 02:43, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
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In addition to an emergency at Fukushima Daichi a nuclear emergency has been declared at nearby Fukushima Daini nuclear power plant at 00:14 GMT, as the cooling systems for three reactors there have failed. An evacuation perimeter of 3 km has been declared around the second plant. Last-ditch cooling methods are not yet activated, but are reported as funtional and ready. Some radioactive steam has been vented in both stations to reduce pressure inside the reactor. [26], [27] (These last-ditch efforts are a bit agressive on the core and thus makes it harder to restart them, so they're really reserved for last-ditch efforts. That's not based on the sources, just my understanding of things and thus it's not possible to add it to the article.) Sorry, don't remember how to properly cite stuff anymore. Or sign, apparently : 193.40.10.181 ( talk) 02:28, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
Done Merged information on Fukushima II (Daini) into the Fukushima I section. It would be helpful if someone could edit the Fukushima II article to provide something closer to the level of detail that the Fukushima I article has. (Sources are sparse at the moment in English media, so help from Japanese speakers watching Japanese media would be appreciated!) Flodded ( talk) 08:07, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
This is NOAA's video of the tsunami's waves spreading out. File:20110311Houshu.ogg. I would insert it myself, but i have no clue where to put it. cheers -- Guerillero | My Talk 03:42, 12 March 2011 (UTC) Done
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Please add n:Earthquake-damaged Fukushima nuclear power plant triggers evacuation to the Wikinews banner.
184.144.160.156 ( talk) 04:05, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
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184.144.160.156 ( talk) 04:19, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
{{edit semi-protected}} The death toll has risen to over 1,000. (Source: 13 eyewitness news Houston) Can someone add that please... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.66.201.41 ( talk) 04:06, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
I would if it were true. It's not true according to Google News, at least not yet. We are very lucky to have an accurate count from Dave1185, who apparently can read Japanese. - SusanLesch ( talk) 04:12, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
See the discussion of the reliability of different sources at Talk:Fukushima I Nuclear Power Plant as well as links to what are probably some of the more reliable information sources.
At this point, most of what's out there that's reliable is ultimately coming from the
Japanese Nuclear Safety Commission (via the IAEA) and/or
Tokyo Electric Power Company -- in other words, from engineers at the plant. That's still sparse and, perhaps due to translation issues, sometimes ambiguous. Beyond these primary sources, the mainstream media is having difficulty understanding the technical issues, introducing further confusion. Finally, in some cases, the press is "filling in the blanks" in their coverage with commentary by various pundits that ranges from "this is no big deal" to "it's the Apocalypse"; regardless of the "experts'" academic or professional credentials, such material is just speculation until further hard facts come out of the plants on which to base assessments.
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Thanks. 220.100.15.15 ( talk) 05:38, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
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Can someone restore the Wikinews box?
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184.144.160.156 ( talk) 06:19, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
I just changed the magnitude back to 8.8-9.1 again. Someone had changed it to 9.0-9.1, and left a "don't lower it below 9.0 without updated ref., as currently cited by 2 others at 9.0-9.1" comment in the source, after adding in references that back up those values. I feel this is blatantly incorrect at this time; there are quite a few sources with different values (to name some at the moment, CNN, BBC, and the USGS are all still reporting it as 8.9.) Thus, until we have more information, it's better to leave the wider range. One cannot pick and choose which sources to use to decide what values to list... I also changed the comment to refer people to the talk page before changing it again. Flodded ( talk) 06:54, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
These links were removed here with an explanation that wikipedia is not a social networking site: http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=2011_Sendai_earthquake_and_tsunami&diff=418420392&oldid=418420359
While that is true, these links have nothing to do with social networking. They are directly related to this earthquake, saving lives, and helping people. People coming to this page will find these links useful in the short term and after a few weeks/months they can be removed. In the short term this allows wikipedia to be of immediate assistance to people in Japan, especially via the people finder.
If these links were in the main article I would agree that they are misplaced, but the See Also section is perfectly fine, especially for given the immediate concerns of this disater.
In the meantime I am undoing this deletion. And linking the person who removed them to this explanation. If the community decides to remove these links I won't object, but please post your thoughts here.
EDIT: Here is the charity link for reference so its easy to see what we're talking about: http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=content.view&cpid=1221
Zuchinni one ( talk) 07:36, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
An editor has re-added a disputed photo File:Okumatsushima tsunami P1130317 rotated.jpg (which he incidentally uploaded). It shows a static tsunami warming site, taken months before this tsunami. I question its relevance to the article, as it is not about the current event, but merely decorative. Any thoughts? WWGB ( talk) 08:00, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
I removed the picture with a note to see the talk page before readding it. It was really overwhelming the article since we have a ton of images around that section... Flodded ( talk) 08:32, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
This page contains numerous factual errors. They stem mostly from copying text from news sources in which the authors used incorrect words and notions out of ignorance.
I am willing to help you correcting these errors, which are very serious in some cases. However, the page cannot be edited.
My credentials: PhD in seismology from CALTECH, professor of seismology for 20 years at Univ. of Colorado, endowed chair Univ. of Alaska 10 years, State Seismologist of Alaska, editor of Pure and Applied Geophys., Chairman of IASPEI's sub-commission on earthquake prediction, director of WAPMERR (www.wapmerr.org), served as adviser to governments and major international companies. Please let me know if you want my help in correcting such embarrassing errors as "a warning was sent to ... before the earthquake", which is complete nonsense and implies that the earthquake prediction problem has been solved. Also, it is elementary (even for science writers) to distinguish correctly between "magnitude" and "intensity". Maxwyss ( talk) 08:30, 12 March 2011 (UTC)Prof. Dr. Max Wyss, Director of WAPMERR
Interesting link to add: gdacs.org (Global Disaster Alert and Coordination System) a Joint Initiative of the United Nations and the European Commission and linked to the Virtual OSSOC (Used by SAR teams and other relief agents to coordinate their efforts). Mjjfthomas ( talk) 09:20, 12 March 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mjjfthomas ( talk • contribs) 09:16, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
Done Verified legitimacy, site has lots of useful info, added to external links. – flodded (gripe) 09:35, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
"US crude dropped as low as $99.01 from $100.08 by lunchtime, with Brent Crude falling $2.62 to $112.81." That's true but US crude then rose to $101.47 WTI chart and Brent to $114.57 Brent chart. I don't have a reference, just the charts as linked. Nurg ( talk) 09:24, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
This edit broke the metadata emitted by the infobox. {{ Start date}}, per its documentation, requires a timezone value be in numeric format (or "Z"). If anyone has concerns about the way that's displayed, please raise the matter on the {{ Start date}} talk page. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 11:40, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
I was looking for something like this...it's a bit of a pain to find since the main English NHK site embeds a small version of the stream that you can't zoom. Anyways, there is an excellent NHK stream in English on the NHK site here. Already learned a bunch of stuff in five minutes that the general worldwide media isn't reporting in English. :) – flodded ☃ (gripe) 12:14, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
According to danish media this town: Minamisanriku is missing as much as 10,000 people -about half the population. I have no english reference. [29] -- Thorseth ( talk) 14:13, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
There is also a fire at an JX oil refinery at Sendai http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/12/refinery-operations-jx-fire-idUSTKG00706520110312 please can someone add to the Oil section -- 87.127.117.246 ( talk) 14:35, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
This story quotes NHK as saying 10,000 missing in Minamisanriku, Miyagi alone. 121.45.193.241 ( talk) 14:56, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
As an inclusionist I hate to be the one to point this out, but a copyright violation is a copyright violation. The excellent Creative Commons images attributed to Danny Cho are not his, simple lifted from twitpic and what not and re-licensed when it doesn't seem to be his right to do so. Something should be done to contact the original photographers and attain real creative commons permission? I am sleeping here, so can't myself. Well, trying to sleep any way. Dang earthquakes. Nesnad ( talk) 14:59, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
Need to include what is being done to repair the damage, particularly by charities. Peaceworld111 ( talk) 15:01, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
Where are the is the breakdown of the International responses from various countries and their leaders? The person who removed them is doing a disservice to this article. At least make create a link to the various responses. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.214.201.167 ( talk) 15:06, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
According to Channel NewsAsia, the death toll currently stands at 1,000, with 10,000 uncounted for. [31] — Preceding unsigned comment added by LordThrall ( talk • contribs) 15:45, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
So, similar to the section above, there seems to be some confusion as to what was damaged during the blast at the Fukushima Nuclear Facility. All of the pictures, video footage, and documented reports state/show that the containment Building was destroyed by the blast (believed to be a hydrogen explosion via melted nuclear fuel). However, the inner, solid-steel containment Vessel was reported to be undamaged. How? I don't know. Given the design of a BWR reactor, melting fuel should have created a hydrogen bubble within the containment vessel itself... perhaps the explosion occured just as they were trying to vent pressure...
At any rate, the building was destroyed, the containment vessel was not. End-of-story. Therefore I edited the intro to reflect this. Please do not revert unless discussed here first, Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cwill151 ( talk • contribs) 16:23, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
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The President of Serbia was meeting with the Emperor when the earthquake hit. I think that's important enough to add it to the article.
I think the introduction should go on like this:
I think you should also include that it is the 7th largest in recorded history globally ( List of earthquakes) Please add wikilinks and other citations to the above. The introduction has been taken from the 2004 Indian Ocean Earthquake article. Rishabh Tatiraju ( talk) 08:06, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Someone deleted everything! Rthmn3021 ( talk) 08:01, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Why does the "Deaths and Casualties" section keep changing! Somebody keeps changing it back to "1 confirmed death" but there is no citation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rthmn3021 ( talk • contribs) 07:55, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
The death toll has reached 19 dead... Any change soon?-will —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.210.164.48 ( talk) 09:14, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
What happened to the nice map!?! Why is the USGS one back? I think both should be there for extra information.... (- rthmn3021) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rthmn3021 ( talk • contribs) 07:50, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
What's the source for the downgrade to magnitude 8.4? The page linked to as a citation still says 8.9. Dylan Thurston ( talk) 07:08, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Watching CNN and News ticker says "Yen has dropped sharply" -Anonymous
Actually, 8.4 seems to be the main one with two more around 7.4. At least one is aftershock but the other one seems to be caused by the main one.-- Revth ( talk) 07:17, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Rishabh Tatiraju ( talk) 07:24, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
It appears that the Japan Meteorological Service uses a different scale from the USGS, hence the 8.4 JMS rating and 8.9 USGS rating. Both are linked in the lead, so I think that's appropriate. rdfox 76 ( talk) 07:36, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Japan Meteorological Agency official named 東北地方太平洋沖地 in japan.-- 素手@Sudepedia ( talk) 07:38, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
The current scale is M 8.9 according to USGS. The event ID of the earthquake is usc0001xgp. That only reason i was created the article with the event ID here. Reason is, if a big earthquake is occured, later possible to so many aftershocks on the location. We are working for Integrated Tsunami Watcher Service since 2004 Indian ocean earthquake. That only reson my most contributions are based earthquake and tsunami. Gnuismail ( talk) 07:39, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
JMA announced that the estimate is now M8.8. This makes it the largest earthquake ever recorded in Japan by JMA. -- Revth ( talk) 08:39, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
JMA scale measures intensity, similar to the Modified Mercalli Intensity scale (MMI). JMA gave a Shindo number of 7 in the Northern Miyagi Prefecture, which would correlate to approximately 8-9 on the MMI scale. drgribb ( talk) 12:00, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
We might want to consider the article on the JMA's ratings. That article says clearly that the top is 7, while we are in this article showing citations of well above that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.177.146.240 ( talk) 14:21, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Do we need the "and tsunami", I mean is obvious many earthquakes have tsunamies and we do not list them in their titles. Tbhotch* ۩ ۞ 07:20, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
The official name of the earthquake has been released from Japan Meteorological Agency [1], "The 2011 off the Pacific coast of Tohoku Earthquake".-- 180.6.76.104 ( talk) 11:08, 11 March 2011 (UTC) Multiple webpages reporting the waves height in Hawaii as high as 6 feet (conservatively) Especially in Kahului Harbor —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.17.166.2 ( talk) 16:52, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Probably a good-faith edit, but the 113 number comes from this report, with an inset about a quake in New Zealand [2] -- joe decker talk to me 08:02, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Eight people confirmed dead according to your source, at least two from http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/mar/11/japan-earthquake — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elhehir ( talk • contribs) 08:45, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Just heard on the tv news that there is a tsunami watch for Alaska, Washington & Oregon coasts -- & I assume for the Canadian Pacific coasts too. Reported ETA for the first tsunami waves to reach Seaside, Oregon is 7:24am PST. -- llywrch ( talk) 08:07, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
a few mins ago i read that the est. death toll was 30 million. where did they get this number? it has since been removed.
Can't edit this myself, so: citation for Hawaii school closures is at http://doe.k12.hi.us/ under School Closures. [2] ScottLeibrand ( talk 09:08, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
new updated bulletins:
Bulletin 5 from WC&ATWC (1:45AM PST): [4] (text) [5] (graphic): OR, most of CA, and the aleutians under a Tsunami Warning, other area's under Tsunami Advisory.
Bulletin 5 for Hawaii from the PTWC (11:30 PM HST): [6] Warning for Hawaii.
Bulletin 5 for the Pacific basin from the PTWC (0930 UTC): [7] Tsunami warnings for JAPAN / RUSSIA / MARCUS IS. / N. MARIANAS / GUAM / WAKE IS. /
TAIWAN / YAP / PHILIPPINES / MARSHALL IS. / BELAU / MIDWAY IS. / POHNPEI / CHUUK / KOSRAE / INDONESIA / PAPUA NEW GUINEA / NAURU / JOHNSTON IS. / SOLOMON IS. / KIRIBATI / HOWLAND-BAKER / HAWAII / TUVALU / PALMYRA IS. / VANUATU / TOKELAU / JARVIS IS. / WALLIS-FUTUNA / SAMOA / AMERICAN SAMOA / COOK ISLANDS / NIUE / FIJI / NEW CALEDONIA / TONGA / MEXICO / KERMADEC IS / FR. POLYNESIA / PITCAIRN / GUATEMALA / EL SALVADOR / COSTA RICA / NICARAGUA / ANTARCTICA / PANAMA / HONDURAS / CHILE / ECUADOR / COLOMBIA / PERU
If someone wants to update from those, here's the ref's for you. Gecko G ( talk) 10:10, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
PTWC Tsunami Warning Bulletin 6 just came out. Ref: http://www.weather.gov/ptwc/text.php?id=pacific.2011.03.11.103059 From that, here are the wave activity measurements:
MEASUREMENTS OR REPORTS OF TSUNAMI WAVE ACTIVITY GAUGE LOCATION LAT LON TIME AMPL PER DART 21415 50.2N 171.8E 0845Z 0.27M / 0.9FT 52MIN WAKE US 19.3N 166.6E 0928Z 0.39M / 1.3FT 14MIN NAHA OKINAWA JP 26.2N 127.7E 0901Z 0.25M / 0.8FT 60MIN SAIPAN US 15.2N 145.7E 0916Z 0.65M / 2.1FT 30MIN TOSASHIMIZU SHIKOKU 32.8N 133.0E 0753Z 0.92M / 3.0FT 68MIN OMAEZAKI HONSHU JP 34.6N 138.2E 0818Z 1.42M / 4.6FT 56MIN DART 21419 44.5N 155.7E 0716Z 0.40M / 1.3FT 20MIN DART 21413 30.5N 152.1E 0659Z 0.76M / 2.5FT 32MIN HANASAKI HOKKAIDO J 43.3N 145.6E 0657Z 2.79M / 9.2FT 76MIN DART 21401 42.6N 152.6E 0643Z 0.67M / 2.2FT 40MIN DART 21418 38.7N 148.7E 0619Z 1.08M / 3.5FT 06MIN
Note that the DART locations are shown at: http://map.ngdc.noaa.gov/website/mgg/dart/viewer.htm BobC32 10:39, 11 March 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by BobC32 ( talk • contribs)
thanks BobC32, I was trying to add the same ref. Interestingly though bulletin 6 from the WC&ATWC has different tide guage reading for Wake & Saipan (and the other locations), so I'm not sure what to make of that. (here: [8]) Gecko G ( talk) 10:48, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
The image currently posted needs to be changed to reflect the universal earthquake map for notable quakes on Wikipedia. -- Ajcadoo ( talk) 08:11, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Aljazeera mentioned on the live video on youtube, but I don't know how to reference it.-- Packinheat2u ( talk) 08:45, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Germany offered its support as well, with Guido Westerwelle stating that “If help is necessary, the Germans will naturally come to the aid of our partner Japan,” he told broadcaster ZDF, adding that leaders there had not yet asked for help. http://www.thelocal.de/national/20110311-33655.html
Either the entire section should get deleted or every country offering aid should be listed, not just the US and UK. Wrong impression. 188.118.130.233 ( talk) 12:35, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
I'm on a slower connection, so any time I try to edit it reports a edit conflict because others complete edits before I can get mine done. The Aftershock was 7.1, not 7.7, per the USGS. Someone wanna fix that please, thanks. Gecko G ( talk) 08:48, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
At the moment, the list of aftershocks -- per the USGS ---can be see at: http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/quakes_big.php ... which is showing quite a few; USGS showing the largest one as 7.7 BobC32 10:11, 11 March 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by BobC32 ( talk • contribs)
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There's a geophysics map available: File:145 40.png
If we had a geophysics section, it would be good to place there. 184.144.160.156 ( talk) 09:06, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
JATWC issued a no threat bulletin at 7:07 PM EDT. Full bulletin here: http://www.bom.gov.au/tsunami/national.shtml — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tsangk ( talk • contribs) 09:30, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
According to the Hong Kong Observatory, which issued a tsunami information bulletin at 15:55 HKT / 16:55 JST [9] [10], the tsunami is expected to reach Hong Kong, and the height is estimated to be less than 0.5 metre. 09:32, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
“ | Tsunami Information and Warning
Tsunami Information Bulletin Tsunami Information Bulletin issued by the Hong Kong Observatory at 3:55 p.m. on 11 Mar 2011. A severe earthquake of magnitude 8.4 occurred near east coast of Honshu, Japan at about 1:47 p.m. on 11 Mar 2011. The earthquake has generated a tsunami which affects the Pacific. However, it is unlikely that Hong Kong and the neighbouring coastal areas will be significantly affected. The rise in the local sea level is expected to be less than half a metre, which is much lower than the normal day-to-day tidal variation of about one metre. Precautionary announcement: 1. Please stay tuned to the radio or television for further information. Dispatched by Hong Kong Observatory at 15:53 HKT on 11.03.2011 For Tsunami Information and Warning in the past three months, click here. [11] |
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It was forecast that the tsunami shall reach HK by 2100 HKT, 2200 JST or 1300 UTC. The Chief Executive of Hong Kong has sent condolence to the people of Japan, and the Hong Kong Government has issued a travel alert for Japan at the red level. 12:51, 11 March 2011 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.198.25.138 ( talk)
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184.144.160.156 ( talk) 09:45, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Done Ravendrop 09:48, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
I've removed the following section named "Destruction" since the sources don't support its content:
“ | Based on data from the Japan Meteorological Agency, it is estimated the town of Kurihara has been completely destroyed. [12] [13] | ” |
If there are proper sources for it feel free to add it back. Amalthea 10:13, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
FNC just reported on live TV Kurihara being "totally destroyed" as of 9:34 AM EST. Not putting back in pending confirmation, but that's what I just heard. rdfox 76 ( talk) 14:34, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Please see the Japan Meteorological Agency's Flash. Earthquakes are observed throughout Japan. I live 400 miles away from the epicenter. The tsunami reached a height of about 5feet 3hours after the earthquake.-- 218.222.108.203 ( talk) 10:32, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Hello, the earthquake was strongly felt as far as Tokyo, 1000km southward (!). Please help to collect sources to specify where the earthquake was perceived, and with which force. Yug 10:35, 11 March 2011 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.120.55.63 ( talk)
Please update with ETA for USA coast. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.191.199.130 ( talk) 10:37, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/03/11/AR2011031101285.html
Epicentre in the introduction should be changed to hypocentre, since that is what the sentence describes. 82.196.164.98 ( talk) 10:48, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
There are two tsunami maps now available, one or both might be useful in the tsunami section.
184.144.160.156 ( talk) 11:14, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
The infobox has an entry for aftershocks, but the various news channels are talking about several foreshocks. It would be good to add info about that. 184.144.160.156 ( talk) 11:16, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
http://www.businessinsider.com/fukushima-nuclear-plant-2011-3 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.190.232.60 ( talk) 11:43, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Sky reporting falling water levels confirmed — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.191.199.130 ( talk • contribs) 12:50, 11 March 2011
http://www.businessinsider.com/fukushima-nuclear-plant-2011-3 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42025882/ns/world_news-asiapacific/
These are valid sources. POST.
BBC News - Japan tsunami Is it possible to reference BBC's twitter/news feed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eug.galeotti ( talk • contribs) 12:13, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
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http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/World/Story/STIStory_644053.html
76.97.4.84 ( talk) 12:20, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Massive earthquake and tsunamis hit Japan; 46 dead, many missing Eug.galeotti ( talk) 12:23, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Reuters has the same information, [17] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.97.4.84 ( talk) 12:31, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
I ask this because I don't really consider drops in oil prices as "Businesses" but rather as "Markets", so possibly renaming the topic? If it's fine as it is, then an update can be made. RTE.ie states that there was drop in oil prices as the quake in Japan struck, as well as anticipated demonstrations in Saudi Arabia; Oil prices drop after Japan quake. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eug.galeotti ( talk • contribs) 13:00, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Watching this video it is pretty obvious that the 40 dead we mention in the lede is going to be a vast understatement. I am looking for a reliable source now, not necessarily for the confirmed death total so far, but from someone who at least indicates in some reasonable way what the magnitude of this is.-- Jimbo Wales ( talk) 13:05, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
I added in the intro that total death toll is expected to be far higher (with sources), although I don't think wild estimates of the final total numbers are likely to be useful at this stage, even if sourced, which is why no reliable sources are giving such figures right now.-- Pontificalibus ( talk) 15:46, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011%E5%B9%B4%E6%9D%B1%E5%8C%97%E5%9C%B0%E6%96%B9%E5%A4%AA%E5%B9%B3%E6%B4%8B%E6%B2%96%E5%9C%B0%E9%9C%87 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.240.101.246 ( talk) 13:09, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
JMA is calling this "The 2011 off the Pacific coast of Tohoku Earthquake" - so is 2011 off the Pacific coast of Tohoku earthquake a reasonable article title? I realise it's awkward but if there is an official or commonly-used name we'd want to stick with it. Dcoetzee 13:17, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
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Just a small edit on the original magnitude of the quake measured, in the second sentence of the article: "It was measured at 7[3] on the Japan Meteorological Agency seismic intensity scale..." should actually be: "It was measured at 7.9[3] on the Japan Meteorological Agency seismic intensity scale..."
121.113.84.21 ( talk) 13:51, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
I want to write this but it's protected.
France64160 ( talk) 14:01, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
I notice we mention both 4 nuclear reactors shut down - and later say 11. Which is it? Also I didn't see any mention of the chemical plant fire (cosmo refinery) or of the whirlpool we see such amazing pictures of. Rmhermen ( talk) 14:08, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
88.000 missing people, that was just reported by the local agencies.
Can't find proper english link yet, but several in other languages, like http://www.n-tv.de/panorama/Offenbar-88-000-Menschen-vermisst-article2810866.html. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.143.115.181 ( talk) 15:48, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Yes it seems many agencies are reporting 88,000 missing people, however I posted that on this wiki page but it was removed — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trendwick ( talk • contribs) 15:52, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
I guess there's no hurry, but it will have to be added sooner or later (I just hope the numbers won't get even worse). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.143.115.181 ( talk) 15:56, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
The source http://hken.ibtimes.com/articles/121789/20110311/japan-quake-death-toll-rises-to-500-8-9-magnitude-earthquake.htm claims 110,000 missing. I'm wary about that number though, seems rather arbitrary, and would wither wait for confirmation by other sources, or add this with a disclaimer that only this particular source reported that high number. Amalthea 17:47, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
The 80 000 missing is most likely a mistake from journalists (the beeb) in reading the wire from Kyodo saying "Death toll from Japan quake rises to 88, 349 missing: police", a wire followed "Death toll from Japan quake rises to 110, 350 missing: police". So 349 missing at that moment, not 80 000. Kyodo is the source I have seen quoted for the "80 000" statement, and Kyodo never had a wire saying "80 000". http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/index.html ThompsonSwe ( talk) 18:55, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYrJoWNR4Ho shows images, it was said on the BBC that the area was about 4,5x2,5 km large. Don't have a written source though. -- Yaamboo ( talk) 16:23, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Dutch response is not added yet. The Dutch Minister of Safety and Justice (Netherlands), Ivo W. Opstelten, has said his support to Japan and that the Netherlands would sent troops when necessary. Dutch Wikipedia says the same. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.71.189.148 ( talk) 16:36, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
I assume this is drawn from the chart here: Largest earthquakes#Largest earthquakes by magnitude
Two of the earthquakes listed higher took place before the invention of seismographs that recorded data in 1875. But here we see "[the 2011 earthquake is] the seventh largest in the world since records began." Records began in or after 1875, nicht wahr? 98.223.64.102 ( talk) 16:39, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
I ask this because I have already come across news sources about the Italian embassy reporting contact lost with 28 Italians ( Terremoto in Giappone, persi i contatti con 28 italiani) and the Singapore embassy in Tokyo has reported no Singaporeans are hurt ( Singaporeans unhurt in Japan quake: MFA). Just wondering if it may be suitable (or possibly still too soon/uncertain) to have this information added. Eug.galeotti ( talk) 17:03, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
The article currently says "It has also been confirmed that a ship carrying 100 people was swept away by the tsunami and smashed into north-eastern Japan", but the source given with that sentence doesn't say that the ship smashed into north-eastern Japan, the source says that the ship went missing and the tsunami smashed into north-eastern Japan. -- 94.134.216.119 ( talk) 17:23, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. -- 94.134.216.119 ( talk) 17:43, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
I've been watching the news, and so far I can tell you some of the damage seen firsthand. About 35 boats broke loose from their moorings in Crescent City, along with one in Santa Cruz. Crescent City so far seems to be getting the worst of it. Can someone gather data on the effects of the tsunami on the West Coast and record them in this article?-- Zhane Masaki ( talk) 17:50, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Gather the information yourself, Zhane. 217.41.243.16 ( talk) 17:57, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
"By 09:30 March 12 UTC, Google Person Finder, which was previously used in the Haiti, Chile, and Christchurch earthquakes, was collecting information about survivors and their locations.[49] [50]"
Shouldn't it be March 11? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.163.119.20 ( talk) 17:55, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
"The CEO of U.S. insurance firm Aflac says the company is making a 100 million yen ($1.2 million) donation to International Red Cross to aid relief efforts. He says that the firm's Tokyo office is open, the Sendai office is closed, and that 'we have assessed all of our [Japan] offices and they are all in good shape'." From the Reuters Liveblog. [22] Another addition is the wave is travelling at 1km per 4 seconds, approximately 559 mph. Also noted in the liveblog.
This is life footage of the quake. Just seconds after the earth stopped shaking, a computer screen is seen with a map of Japan, a mark for the epicenter and the zones of expected tsunami impact. Does anybody know how that warning system works – overruling other internet activity and bringing itself up on the screen? Henning Blatt ( talk) 18:02, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
NHK just announced that the Tokyo Electric Power Company will vent the Fukushima nuclear power plant to buy the coolant shipping more time. 70.162.4.214 ( talk) 19:08, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
It's articles like this one that really showcase the best of what wikipedia is capable of. Current events. This is so much more comprehensive and more readable than any one press release or article located elsewhere. Congrats to wikipedia on accomplishments such as this. Daniel Christensen ( talk) 19:22, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
agreed, breaking news stories on wikipedia read better and provide much more information than a single standalone news agency. Moreover, they provide up to the second updates that the same news agencies can't provide. JBDRanger ( talk) 19:56, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Ironically enough, Wikipedia is current acting as a more useful summary since it is citing its sources, something news outlets are too busy falling overthemselves to report terrible and imminent further tragedy to do. LionsPhil ( talk) 13:16, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
As noted on the history pages, some may consider the map too light a contrast for easy legibility. Some + 1. A compromise of a more medium tone might be in order, thanks. -- TheLastWordSword ( talk) 19:52, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
I do agree. Wipsenade ( talk) 20:01, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Can we get rid of the arrival times for the tsunami waves as they have already occurred hours ago? JBDRanger ( talk) 20:05, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Done. Wipsenade ( talk) 20:08, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Should we have a new article about the non-aftershock 6.6 12 March 2011 Nagano earthquake ? 184.144.160.156 ( talk) 20:11, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Probably yes. Wipsenade ( talk) 20:21, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Don't think so. Even if it's not non-aftershock due to science, it's connected in people's minds. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.94.85.186 ( talk) 20:53, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
O.K. Wipsenade ( talk) 10:56, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
Solive 24: http://weathernews.jp/solive24/ (In Japanese)
Live Earthquake map:
http://weathernews.jp/quake/ (In Japanese)
Both weathernews.jp, also has special section for this: http://weathernews.jp/tohoku_quake2011/
91.156.234.20 ( talk) 21:01, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Not sure where this would fit, but the Toronto District School Board offered a condolence notice for the Japanese community in Toronto:
WhisperToMe ( talk) 21:38, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Pope Benedict XVI was "deeply saddened by the brutal and tragic consequences of the severe earthquake and tsunami that struck north-eastern coastal regions" of Japan, a telegram sent by Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone on his behalf to Japan's Roman Catholic bishops says. The pope was praying for the dead and hoped that their families and friends would find "strength and consolation", it adds. - Ref: bbc.co.uk/news Kittybrewster ☎ 21:51, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
several sources state that there might have very well been a radiation leak at one of the Nuclear facicilies. JBDRanger ( talk) 21:53, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
I think it's insulting that so much detail is given on the deaths of a few morons who decided it was fun to get close to killer waves/currents. This is incredibly minor and should be removed, why on EARTH is it there? Do you know how bad it looks? -- Τασουλα (Shalom!) ( talk) 22:28, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
still a death... still a lost human life in this —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.10.66.198 ( talk) 22:30, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Western numbers for dead and missing are all over the map, and most of the numbers are highly dubious. As of 6 AM Japan time on March 12, TBS Japan is reporting confirmed 400 dead and 700+ missing. [23] Jpatokal ( talk) 22:40, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
I'm struggling to find a reliable source for the whirlpool created near the epicentre. The best I could find was this BBC page with a video clip included ( LINK). If this is acceptable enough, then I would ask if it would be possible for someone to add this to the article, as I am not so certain which section would be most suitable to place it in. Would the "Earthquake" section be more suitable? Eug.galeotti ( talk) 18:20, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
While we sit debating the name of the article, adding diplomat's boo-hoos, and reformulating dates in reference links, hasn't anyone noticed that none of the stuff that is showing non-stop of the news is actually in the article. No mention of the huge fires, the hundreds of homes washed to sea, the collapsed buildings hundreds of kilometers away, the closure of the airports and subways, .... Rmhermen ( talk) 18:30, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Daniel Christensen ( talk) 19:38, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
INSARAG Teams: USAID SAR Team 1 (Fairfax County, VA) IEC: Heavy USAR -- http://vosocc.unocha.org/USAR_Directory/USARTeam.asp?USARTeamID=96 USAID SAR Team 2 (Los Angeles, CA) IEC: Heavy USAR -- http://vosocc.unocha.org/USAR_Directory/USARTeam.asp?USARTeamID=108
http://www.usaid.gov/press/releases/2011/pr110311.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.96.91.120 ( talk) 18:55, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
All I heard are that 1 person died in Crescent City and 3 people are missing. -- Vrysxy! ( talk) 20:20, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
According to the sources, it lists five casualties, with one presumed dead. I am amending the casualties section in reference to this one man to "presumed dead" instead of the current "found dead" as there is no information leading to the conclusion that a body exists. It appears, based on the articles, authorities presume he is dead due to weather conditions but have not recovered a body. 173.28.153.124 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 00:06, 12 March 2011 (UTC).
I think sortable would be better. Any objections? Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 23:21, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
I tried earlier, but with the difference in units (cm/m) i found it hard to do, but i don't know that much syntax to fix it. but i had the same thought a while ago. if you know how to do it better i have no objections. JBDRanger ( talk) 23:23, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Done i just converted the units as you suggested and it all works fine. JBDRanger ( talk) 23:56, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Which is right? The article says it is in the top five yet this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Largest_earthquakes#Largest_earthquakes_by_magnitude says it is number 6. 71.224.5.174 ( talk) 17:18, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
The article says the Pacific Plate is subducting under the North American Plate in the article. Pretty sure it's the eurasian plate. Not sure how to sign comments, I usually just make small edits to wikipedia so I don't bother with an account -Dimbulb0 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dimbulb0 ( talk • contribs) 02:08, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
The article now reads 1000 dead. The reuters article sourced says "set to exceed" and gives no confirmed toll. NHK World is reporting ~350, TBS is reporting ~400. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.189.158.9 ( talk) 18:56, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
CNN is reporting 1000 as the "official" death toll so far. Gingermint ( talk) 06:04, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
TF1 says at least 1,500 dead —Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.0.170.39 ( talk) 15:23, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
Preliminary Damage caused by 2011 earthquake off northeastern Taiheiyou Country is based on the 23:21 nuclear emergency law, to residents within a 3 km radius of a nuclear power plant Unit 2 of Fukushima, a 3 km radius outside the "evacuation instructions" issued. In addition, directed the evacuation of residents within the interior radius of 3 km to 10 km. District Name evacuation instruction: City Ookuma District 1, District 2, District 3,Kazuhisa Hiroshi Futabachō (Hosoya, Koriyama, Niiyama, Shimozyou, Yamada, Hamano)
平成23年東北地方太平洋沖地震による被害状況速報
詳しくは、こちらのページをご覧ください。
21時23分 国は原子力災害対策法にもとづき、福島第1原子力発電所2号機から半径3キロメートル以内の住民に対して、半径3キロメートル外への「避難指示」を出しました。 併せて、半径3キロメートルから10キロメートル以内の住民に対して屋内待避を指示しました。
According to this source, 19 people have died http://www.news24.jp/articles/2011/03/11/07177776.html 87.183.84.45 ( talk) 09:11, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
In the introductory paragraph, the article states that "There are over 1000 dead and 700+ missing in over 6 different prefectures", yet however this recent news article states that just over 400 are CONFIRMED dead and 700+ missing; http://www.smh.com.au/environment/more-than-1000-feared-killed-in-monster-quake-20110312-1brpt.html?from=smh_sb Obamas Barrack ( talk) 01:37, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
I see your point; I suppose we will have no reliable source of information until accurate statistics are put in. I would at least like the article to be consistent with the casualty numbers; In the introductory paragraph, it states "at least 1000 people have died and another 700+ are missing in six different prefectures", yet under Casualties it states "[The] Tokyo Broadcasting System (TBS) has confirmed approximately 400 dead and another approximately 700 missing in six different prefectures (also reported as over 1100 dead/missing combined)". I think that the intro paragraph statement should be changed accordingly to match the second one. Obamas Barrack ( talk) 01:59, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
The television footage shows a clearly unsurvivable wave of water arriving at coastal communities. This wave will have impacted a very long section of coastline. When the scope and consequence of this event are considered, clearly the casualty figures being stated are gross underestimations. The same early underestimation occurred in 2004. It is important that we don't "cheer the score along upward", this isn't a football game. It is also important that the magnitude of this tragedy is identified and that appropriate assistance activities are underway. Thankyou for your time reading this. Lyle. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.217.59.183 ( talk) 21:34, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
Altering the estimated death toll from 600 to 6,000,000 is not funny or clever. It just makes you a worthless piece of garbage with no respect for what's looking like over a thousand people who have died. Don't vandalize death reports on a current event. Oh, and go to hell. The Cap'n ( talk) 17:59, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
I also agree. If you have been noticing the "briefing-in" paragraph explaining what the earthquake was at the beginning of the article, someone has been repeatedly putting "It has been feared Godzilla has now been awakened and that the death toll is much higher now due to his greatness" or something. Plus, as a sidenote, from time to time someone will post random garbage, like "Ryan Woods is awesome" and so on. By the way, the whole Earthquake section of the article just vanished. Was this a vandal, or intended to happen until we get more accurate information on it? Obamas Barrack ( talk) 00:19, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
I just made [[Wikipedia:Requests for page protection# 2011_Sendai_earthquake_and_tsunami ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)|another request for semi-protection]] since the old one expired a few hours ago. Too many anonymous IP vandals to handle with the edit rate on this page otherwise... Flodded ( talk) 00:32, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, I agree about the trashy vandals being kiked out. Wipsenade ( talk) 10:06, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
Okay, I haven't seen any sources yet that put the figure anywhere NEAR that high, yet "over 9000" is a meme that has already been "joked" about on this article. Is this undetected vandalism, and by an established user? Could use some help checking. - Drlight11 ( talk) 20:56, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Source: BBC.) Back to Japan now: The official Kyodo news agency is reporting that about 88,000 people are missing. ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12307698?OCID=twwnabbc) — Preceding unsigned comment added by PeoBey ( talk • contribs) 21:22, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
We could list out thousands of places with tsunami warnings or that received a few extra cm of water. Obviously this is not feasible, nor is it encyclopedic. I suggest a good balance would be to only list places that have reported more than minor damage, have reported casualties, have reported large-scale evacuations in mainstream media, or are otherwise notable. Having a listing for a small island that reported "two small waves" and no damage, for example, seems rather excessive. Flodded ( talk) 21:13, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
AFP report "dam in NE Japan ruptures, homes washed away" need proper sourcing and writing up.
Rich
Farmbrough,
21:14, 11 March 2011 (UTC).
"Oil prices have also dropped as a result of the earthquake in Japan, as well as the ongoing violence in Libya and expected demonstrations in Saudi Arabia, seeing US crude drop as low as $99.01 from $100.08 by lunchtime, along with Brent crude falling $2.62 to $112.81." Can someone explain why these things, especially the second and third are attributed causes of oil prices to dropping. Rich Farmbrough, 21:30, 11 March 2011 (UTC).
Where is the international response article? Intoronto1125 ( talk) 23:12, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Because of transportation disruptions, it appears that a lot of newspapers in the Tokyo area were not delivered this morning, including mine. Since Japanese news doesn't have as much of an Internet presence, it means that, for right now, most of the breaking news on this earthquake within Japan will be via television. For the editors in Japan, remember, it's ok to cite a television news program in an article. Just put the news program, network, time, and date. Cla68 ( talk) 00:08, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
There's been a lot of vandalism on this article. Please Semi-Protect. OpenInfoForAll ( talk) 00:53, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
Just how long did the shaking go on? No mention of the duration at all in the article. 99.2.69.235 ( talk) 01:11, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
According to this eye-witness video ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzAs8V9tLaI&feature=related), in the description it says that the "real intense" parts of the earthquake lasted about 3 minutes, although there were many aftershocks and it didn't clarify which actual time it happened... Obamas Barrack ( talk) 01:24, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
This article could do with a more general timeline on top of that: First detection, warnings, main quake, tsunami warnings, tsunami making land, maximum extent of water, time for water to recede etc. 78.86.61.94 ( talk) 05:54, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
At this point even subjective descriptions are informative. I've been searching for seismigraph images but haven't found any as yet. The continuous-time recorders should give a good indication of the earthquake duration and progress over time. 99.2.69.235 ( talk) 06:03, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
The "Other regions affected" is starting to look silly. That big table consists mostly of areas where authorities took precautionary measures (as they should) but where the feared tsunami turned out to be nothing. If we were to add a column for "reported damage" it would for the most part consist of "none" or "minor". Yes I know, one guy in California is dead and a few docks were damaged here and there but we don't need a huge table to say this and in the wider picture these are anecdotes. We should stick to the principle of due weight. Pichpich ( talk) 01:38, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
Hi, could anybody please explain what is up with editing of this article. I want to contribute to this article, especially from the point of view of original Japanese language news sources which are scarcely cited here. Suddenly, I cannot contribute anything anymore because the article history says "protected" for 2 whole days until 14. That's a long time to wait. This is very surprising to me. I don't understand why the article is protected against editing by editors such as me. I am not a vandal. The big problem with the article is it is relying too much on English language sources which are relatively much more incomplete about the facts than the Japanese language news sources. Please help me!! Thank you. Sign: A Saku ( talk) 01:47, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
I suppose that you are not an "auto-confirmed" user, then. Because of the large amounts of vandals and vandalism that have occurred before, we had to put it under some sort of restriction, as they were deleting whole articles of information instead of just minor annoying inconveniences. You would have to talk to someone of a higher ranking than me if you wanted to edit the article, under these current circumstances. Obamas Barrack ( talk) 01:52, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
Was there really and truly a big problem of "large amounts" of vandals and vandalism? Sorry if I have misunderstood you, but looking at the history I can't see there was a serious problem. To my thinking, vandalism is very easy and quick to correct or remove by honest helpful editors. I am sure I not the only person in this situation. I would really very much like to contribute to the article. I can read/write Japanese and also have access to original Japanese language news sources, and would like to help improve the article. Can anybody please offer practical help about this issue? A Saku ( talk) 02:06, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
I see. Thank you to both of you for explaining that. Looking at the vandalism edits, I agree they are annoying, but it seems to me like a relatively small number of edits in total. It seems unnecessary to me to stop the article being edited in this way. I would be more than willing to volunteer to remove or undo all the vandalism edits I find for the next several hours if the protection could be removed! I would be happy to stand up to that. I would love to edit the article. It is very frustrating for me to see incorrect and missing information, and not be able to edit the article myself. I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "edit via the talk page here"? and "edit semi-protected requests". Do you mean that every time I would like to edit the article in any way, I would first have to make a comment here on this page? Sorry to be a nuisance, but could you explain how these things work a bit more please? A Saku ( talk) 02:31, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
A Saku, I have placed a request for your account to be 'confirmed' - here. I hope that will be processed soon, and then you will be able to edit the article. Chzz ► 02:30, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
Done
Thank you, Chzz. I must admit I don't fully understand the implications of "confirmed" status, but if it means I can resume editing of the article, I would be thrilled! Thank you to all of you for your helpful and patient explanations about the way things work. A Saku ( talk) 02:43, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
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In addition to an emergency at Fukushima Daichi a nuclear emergency has been declared at nearby Fukushima Daini nuclear power plant at 00:14 GMT, as the cooling systems for three reactors there have failed. An evacuation perimeter of 3 km has been declared around the second plant. Last-ditch cooling methods are not yet activated, but are reported as funtional and ready. Some radioactive steam has been vented in both stations to reduce pressure inside the reactor. [26], [27] (These last-ditch efforts are a bit agressive on the core and thus makes it harder to restart them, so they're really reserved for last-ditch efforts. That's not based on the sources, just my understanding of things and thus it's not possible to add it to the article.) Sorry, don't remember how to properly cite stuff anymore. Or sign, apparently : 193.40.10.181 ( talk) 02:28, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
Done Merged information on Fukushima II (Daini) into the Fukushima I section. It would be helpful if someone could edit the Fukushima II article to provide something closer to the level of detail that the Fukushima I article has. (Sources are sparse at the moment in English media, so help from Japanese speakers watching Japanese media would be appreciated!) Flodded ( talk) 08:07, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
This is NOAA's video of the tsunami's waves spreading out. File:20110311Houshu.ogg. I would insert it myself, but i have no clue where to put it. cheers -- Guerillero | My Talk 03:42, 12 March 2011 (UTC) Done
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Please add n:Earthquake-damaged Fukushima nuclear power plant triggers evacuation to the Wikinews banner.
184.144.160.156 ( talk) 04:05, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
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184.144.160.156 ( talk) 04:19, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
{{edit semi-protected}} The death toll has risen to over 1,000. (Source: 13 eyewitness news Houston) Can someone add that please... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.66.201.41 ( talk) 04:06, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
I would if it were true. It's not true according to Google News, at least not yet. We are very lucky to have an accurate count from Dave1185, who apparently can read Japanese. - SusanLesch ( talk) 04:12, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
See the discussion of the reliability of different sources at Talk:Fukushima I Nuclear Power Plant as well as links to what are probably some of the more reliable information sources.
At this point, most of what's out there that's reliable is ultimately coming from the
Japanese Nuclear Safety Commission (via the IAEA) and/or
Tokyo Electric Power Company -- in other words, from engineers at the plant. That's still sparse and, perhaps due to translation issues, sometimes ambiguous. Beyond these primary sources, the mainstream media is having difficulty understanding the technical issues, introducing further confusion. Finally, in some cases, the press is "filling in the blanks" in their coverage with commentary by various pundits that ranges from "this is no big deal" to "it's the Apocalypse"; regardless of the "experts'" academic or professional credentials, such material is just speculation until further hard facts come out of the plants on which to base assessments.
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Thanks. 220.100.15.15 ( talk) 05:38, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
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Can someone restore the Wikinews box?
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184.144.160.156 ( talk) 06:19, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
I just changed the magnitude back to 8.8-9.1 again. Someone had changed it to 9.0-9.1, and left a "don't lower it below 9.0 without updated ref., as currently cited by 2 others at 9.0-9.1" comment in the source, after adding in references that back up those values. I feel this is blatantly incorrect at this time; there are quite a few sources with different values (to name some at the moment, CNN, BBC, and the USGS are all still reporting it as 8.9.) Thus, until we have more information, it's better to leave the wider range. One cannot pick and choose which sources to use to decide what values to list... I also changed the comment to refer people to the talk page before changing it again. Flodded ( talk) 06:54, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
These links were removed here with an explanation that wikipedia is not a social networking site: http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=2011_Sendai_earthquake_and_tsunami&diff=418420392&oldid=418420359
While that is true, these links have nothing to do with social networking. They are directly related to this earthquake, saving lives, and helping people. People coming to this page will find these links useful in the short term and after a few weeks/months they can be removed. In the short term this allows wikipedia to be of immediate assistance to people in Japan, especially via the people finder.
If these links were in the main article I would agree that they are misplaced, but the See Also section is perfectly fine, especially for given the immediate concerns of this disater.
In the meantime I am undoing this deletion. And linking the person who removed them to this explanation. If the community decides to remove these links I won't object, but please post your thoughts here.
EDIT: Here is the charity link for reference so its easy to see what we're talking about: http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=content.view&cpid=1221
Zuchinni one ( talk) 07:36, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
An editor has re-added a disputed photo File:Okumatsushima tsunami P1130317 rotated.jpg (which he incidentally uploaded). It shows a static tsunami warming site, taken months before this tsunami. I question its relevance to the article, as it is not about the current event, but merely decorative. Any thoughts? WWGB ( talk) 08:00, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
I removed the picture with a note to see the talk page before readding it. It was really overwhelming the article since we have a ton of images around that section... Flodded ( talk) 08:32, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
This page contains numerous factual errors. They stem mostly from copying text from news sources in which the authors used incorrect words and notions out of ignorance.
I am willing to help you correcting these errors, which are very serious in some cases. However, the page cannot be edited.
My credentials: PhD in seismology from CALTECH, professor of seismology for 20 years at Univ. of Colorado, endowed chair Univ. of Alaska 10 years, State Seismologist of Alaska, editor of Pure and Applied Geophys., Chairman of IASPEI's sub-commission on earthquake prediction, director of WAPMERR (www.wapmerr.org), served as adviser to governments and major international companies. Please let me know if you want my help in correcting such embarrassing errors as "a warning was sent to ... before the earthquake", which is complete nonsense and implies that the earthquake prediction problem has been solved. Also, it is elementary (even for science writers) to distinguish correctly between "magnitude" and "intensity". Maxwyss ( talk) 08:30, 12 March 2011 (UTC)Prof. Dr. Max Wyss, Director of WAPMERR
Interesting link to add: gdacs.org (Global Disaster Alert and Coordination System) a Joint Initiative of the United Nations and the European Commission and linked to the Virtual OSSOC (Used by SAR teams and other relief agents to coordinate their efforts). Mjjfthomas ( talk) 09:20, 12 March 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mjjfthomas ( talk • contribs) 09:16, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
Done Verified legitimacy, site has lots of useful info, added to external links. – flodded (gripe) 09:35, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
"US crude dropped as low as $99.01 from $100.08 by lunchtime, with Brent Crude falling $2.62 to $112.81." That's true but US crude then rose to $101.47 WTI chart and Brent to $114.57 Brent chart. I don't have a reference, just the charts as linked. Nurg ( talk) 09:24, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
This edit broke the metadata emitted by the infobox. {{ Start date}}, per its documentation, requires a timezone value be in numeric format (or "Z"). If anyone has concerns about the way that's displayed, please raise the matter on the {{ Start date}} talk page. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 11:40, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
I was looking for something like this...it's a bit of a pain to find since the main English NHK site embeds a small version of the stream that you can't zoom. Anyways, there is an excellent NHK stream in English on the NHK site here. Already learned a bunch of stuff in five minutes that the general worldwide media isn't reporting in English. :) – flodded ☃ (gripe) 12:14, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
According to danish media this town: Minamisanriku is missing as much as 10,000 people -about half the population. I have no english reference. [29] -- Thorseth ( talk) 14:13, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
There is also a fire at an JX oil refinery at Sendai http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/12/refinery-operations-jx-fire-idUSTKG00706520110312 please can someone add to the Oil section -- 87.127.117.246 ( talk) 14:35, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
This story quotes NHK as saying 10,000 missing in Minamisanriku, Miyagi alone. 121.45.193.241 ( talk) 14:56, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
As an inclusionist I hate to be the one to point this out, but a copyright violation is a copyright violation. The excellent Creative Commons images attributed to Danny Cho are not his, simple lifted from twitpic and what not and re-licensed when it doesn't seem to be his right to do so. Something should be done to contact the original photographers and attain real creative commons permission? I am sleeping here, so can't myself. Well, trying to sleep any way. Dang earthquakes. Nesnad ( talk) 14:59, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
Need to include what is being done to repair the damage, particularly by charities. Peaceworld111 ( talk) 15:01, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
Where are the is the breakdown of the International responses from various countries and their leaders? The person who removed them is doing a disservice to this article. At least make create a link to the various responses. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.214.201.167 ( talk) 15:06, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
According to Channel NewsAsia, the death toll currently stands at 1,000, with 10,000 uncounted for. [31] — Preceding unsigned comment added by LordThrall ( talk • contribs) 15:45, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
So, similar to the section above, there seems to be some confusion as to what was damaged during the blast at the Fukushima Nuclear Facility. All of the pictures, video footage, and documented reports state/show that the containment Building was destroyed by the blast (believed to be a hydrogen explosion via melted nuclear fuel). However, the inner, solid-steel containment Vessel was reported to be undamaged. How? I don't know. Given the design of a BWR reactor, melting fuel should have created a hydrogen bubble within the containment vessel itself... perhaps the explosion occured just as they were trying to vent pressure...
At any rate, the building was destroyed, the containment vessel was not. End-of-story. Therefore I edited the intro to reflect this. Please do not revert unless discussed here first, Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cwill151 ( talk • contribs) 16:23, 12 March 2011 (UTC)