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Dear colleagues, I received the following request:
Do we have such a category here? Cheers. ← Humus sapiens ←ну? 09:40, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
BTW, the category mentioned by Michael is I think unnecessary and duplicating both the Category:Subdivisions of Ukraine and Category:Ukrainian historical regions. Shouldn't we remove it in order to clean-up the Wikiservers? Ukrained 21:35, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Is anybody interested with this? Ukrained 21:35, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Dear all, I have thought to bring this up for a while and only now got to it. Ukraine has several established institutions of higher education and their coverage is pitiful. We should standartize that and I suggest to start with names. Putting the Kiv/Kyiv-Mogila/Mohyla-Academy aside for now (can we do that please), I suggest that we have the school articles named by the name the institutions were and are best known. There were lots of renaming activity not just in WP but also in Ukraine. At certain point Pedagogical, Kharch-Prom institutes, etc. and even some tekhnikums restyled themselves "universities". OTOH, some very well-known and respected schools also renamed itself, like Kiev or Odessa Polytechnic. Also, Kiev University was known as St. Vladimir's in RU epire, KGU in Soviet times (along with the Krasonyarsk one) and "National Taras Shevchenko University of Kyiv" now. These all names are varieties of one name under which the institution was known as Kiev University which never changed.
Similarly the famous "Kiev Polytechnic Institute" may have been restyled to National Technical University "Kyiv Polytechnic Institute" but it still is known as Kiev Polytechnic Insitute and so should the article be called. Other respected Polytechnics such as Odessa, Lviv, Kharkiv might have also changed to "Universities" (I know for a fact that some did). Let's just call them Polytechnics. Similarly Kharkiv Institue of Radio Electronics, renamed itself into some University.
What do you people think about it?. -- Irpen 22:34, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
The articles whose names already satisfy the proposed rule are:
Same rule will be applied to the future articles. Please note that this proposal only concerns the titles of the articles. We sill still introduce the official and historic names in the first line. Any thoughts? -- Irpen 05:22, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Do you mean that someone saying Odessa University may actually mean one of several institutions? I know that this is not the case for Kiev. One saying Kiev University is always referring to Kiev National T. Shevchenko University and not KMA, Polytech or any other institution. -- Irpen 19:30, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
OK, please take a look at how I just did it at the Kiev University and Kiev University (disambiguation). If you think that's adequate, we can implement the same solution for Odessa as well as other cities. -- Irpen 21:45, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
This is where we disagree. The whole issue came into prominence because the term "University" has been significantly distorted in post-Soviet countries due to the hectic renaming spree where each higher education institution renamed itself into a University while the institution's structures remaining unchanged. By the common definition, the University is "an institution of higher education and research, which grants academic degrees at all levels (bachelor, master, and doctorate) in a variety of subjects." As you may well know, this definition does not apply to every institute of higher education in Ukraine that now calls itself "a University". Obviously the Mechnikov University qualifies by the breadth of the studies it offers but the Maritime University does not. In no way this implied that the Maritime University, as well as many other technical institutions of higher education in Ukraine with a rich and proud history of academic accomplishment are somehow inferior. Kiev, Odessa, Lviv and many other Polytechnics are very respected institutions. Nevertheless, they remain mostly technically oriented while the University has to by definition cover both technical and humanitarian fields of studies. That's why we use historic names of these institutions, under which they are still most commonly referred to to this date, for the article titles, but we give the full current official name within the article's text.
You raised a valid point about the disambiguation and I think the way it is done for Kiev University addresses the issue. In an unlikely case someone browsing the category:Universities in Ukraine looking for Kiev Polytechnic or Kyiv-Mohyla Academy clicks on the Kiev University that would lead the reader to the Shevchenko University, that person would immediately see the dab link at the top. But in all honesty, this is rather unlikely to happen. If all three: the KU, KPI and KMA are all listed in one cat, the reader would likely correctly identify what he is looking for.
While at it, I think it is a good idea to rename Category:Universities in Ukraine to Category:Institutes of higher education in Ukraine. The reason is that if the Pedagogical or Kharch-Prom institute in one city has renamed itself into a "University" but its counterpart in another city did not, this is no reason why they should still not be in the same category. Especially since we have now just a handful of the articles in the category, keeping them all together would add clarity and would not cause any confusion. -- Irpen 18:28, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
Template: User DinamoKiev has just been created. Feel free to fix it or edit it so that it looks better. -- DDima 21:39, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
I suggest you to fix this silly situation with articles Lodomeria vs. Volodymyr-Volynskyi / Volodymyr-Volynia principality. mikka (t) 02:36, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
What is a rationale for two cats that duplicate each other? Can anybody articulate a difference between city and town? It's all very subjective imho. Suppose a new editor starts the article about Chartorysk - how should he know which cat should be preferred? -- Ghirla | talk 09:50, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
And there is also townlet. -- Irpen 07:06, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
But it was argued above to use town for SMT, wasn't it? Anyway, I used townlet in Stebliv. I hope I did it right. -- Irpen 19:43, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
How come there are no Ukrainian sections in List of most common surnames or Family name. Are there any articles covering Ukrainian family names at all? . Kevlar67 04:39, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
I completely restructured this article and about doubled it's lenghth by adding many sub-sections. I would like comments on my progress. Kevlar67 01:05, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
Reading the list, you learn that the greatest "religious massacre" of the 17th century was as follows: "1648-1649 - Chmielnicki Uprising - 100,000 Poland Jews and Polish nobles killed by Cossacks under Bohdan Chmielnicki". Judging by the spelling of his last name, I get an idea as to who inserted this "fact" into the list. Please take a look if the quoted description is factually accurate. -- Ghirla -трёп- 12:56, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
It would have been great if someone translated fr:Les cosaques Zaporogues écrivant une lettre au sultan de Turquie. The subject is definitely worth it. I would have done it myself if it were not for my self-imposed ban on ua-related articles. Cheers, Ghirla -трёп- 16:36, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
The comment below is moved from talk Ukraine. -- Irpen 20:36, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
Dear Ukrainian fellow-Wikipedians, one of our contributing editors Kuban coSSack's talking about dictatorial ruler Lukashenka (who massively and monstrously falsified the vote) and today's storming of the October square, when hundreds of special police arrested peaceful demonstrators, totally destoryed the camp, threw empty vodka bottles into the mess and videotaped that for Belarusan state television. Here's Kuban coSSack's comment about this police action and break-up of a peaceful protest, which took place at 3AM so that there would be no witnesses of their activity:
Dear fellow Wikipedians, do you understand that the only purpose of his contributions on articles about Belarus (such as Belarusian language, Belarusian history, Belarus, etc.) is to push Russian imperial POV and lies? Please, see history and talk pages of the Belarus-related articles. -- rydel 16:34, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
Please vote to keep or delete Category:Webcomics of Ukraine and Category:Webcomics by country at Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 March 29. — Michael Z. 2006-03-29 03:33 Z
Just noticed we have two articles on the same dam, Dnieper Hydroelectric Station and DnieproGES. I put a merge request up, anyone would like to edit the text. -- Kuban Cossack 19:19, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
I have created Template:Audio-uk for use with Ukrainian pronunciation .ogg files. Olessi 20:27, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
Please join the discussion at Category talk:Russian people about whether the category should include ethnic Russians and Soviet people. Conscious 04:36, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Please state your opinion at Talk:FC Metalurh Zaporizhzhya (a cut&paste move needs to be fixed). Conscious 10:44, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
There is a discussion on how to name this article Talk:Władysław II Jagiełło Juraune 08:54, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
A new approval poll has begun. Again at Talk:Władysław II Jagiełło. Shilkanni 20:03, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Hey, there is a discussion (and poll) going down at Talk:Georgia (country), we'd appreciate your input. - FrancisTyers · 11:50, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
A potential DYK for the Potemkin Stairs article (by User:Odessaukrain). Discussion is taking place here.-- Riurik 18:15, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm concerned that the article Euro-Ukrainian alphabet constitutes original research. Can anyone supply some references? — Michael Z. 2006-08-14 16:51 Z
I added the cleanup tag to this article yesterday: it is in need of attention. I just thought I'd place a note here too. -- Roleplayer 12:09, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
I saw that Ukrainians Wikipedians love to mix English with their own language, and are using "raion" and "oblast" for districts and regions of Ukraine. However, the purpose of Wikipedia is not to enrich the English language. This Wikipedia is for ordinary English speaking people, and I don't think is necesary to force them to check the article raion or oblast in order to understand an other article. I suggest to use district instead of raion and region (or province) instead of oblast. Russians already made this change.-- MariusM 22:04, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
Dear editors of Ukraine-related articles,
I appreciate the de-russification of names, f.e. example Vasyl Ivanchuk instead of Vasily Ivanchuk. The only problem is that this breaks the Naming conventions. In a similar case I wanted to move Rafael Vaganian (an Armenian chess player) to Rafael Vahanyan but this was rejected by other users referring to the naming conventions, the only criterium of which is commonness. But the commonness (i.e. Google) is a result of thoughtless transcription of thousands of people from each other.
That is why I search for allies. In my eyes the mission of an encyclopedia is not the copying of incorrect information but throwing light on things. If anybody is interested in this topic, please answer. Ulf-S. 18:36, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
More, his "correct" name is neither Vaganyan, nor Vahanyan but Ռաֆայել Վահանյան and that's what he should be called in Armenian WP. This is the only sure thing. There is no strict rule for the rest. Perhaps the current official translit would be Vahanyan. But this does not make it a correct or incorrect name by itself. It would sure be a correct translit according to a particulat rule. But his English name is what people call him in English speaking world and that should be the title for the article, to avoid the reader's confusion. Other names belong to the text. This is the basic logic behind the rule given in WP:NC(UE): "If you are talking about a person, country, town, movie or book, use the most commonly used English version of the name for the article, as you would find it in other encyclopedias and reference works." Don't get upset over it. Nothing can make him anything else but an Armenian grandmaster :). -- Irpen 05:43, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
Per Irpen: google results in the raw are not the only factor that unquestionably proves the common usage. Like I said previously, you have a decent argument. If after you move it, there is still a lot of opposition maybe writing a couple of sentences about vahanyan vs vaganian can help. I really do not see any harm in having the article under Vahanyan with Vaganian redirecting there as long as the spelling is explained somewhere in the article. This issue does not need to usurp so much time as to take away from other projects.-- Riurik (discuss) 19:10, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
Dear Ulf-S: Being a volunteer, I checked "Vasyl Ivanchuk" vs. "Vasily Ivanchuk" and I didn't find a valid reason to prefer the latter name over the former. Best, KPbIC 22:31, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
As agreed above, google search results by itself are just one of the factors to take into account. Major media results here are very convinsing. But here, even google results if compared correctly yield the same. Just make sure you restrict your search to the sites in English:
The article needs moved to the latter title. -- Irpen 01:26, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
You can hypothesize what's "probably" but your (or mine) hypothesizing belongs to the talk pages at most. Please do not confuse the facts on the ground with the reasons why they are such. Encyclopedia should reflect the current situation. The person is known to the English reader under a certain name and the article should reflect that and this is exactly what WP:NC state. The proper place to campaign against the world injustices is the media and street demonstrations, not encyclopedias which should summarize available sources. When you attain some change in the world usage, the encyclopedia will reflect those changes. Similarly to how Kharkiv replaced Kharkov in the modern usage. -- Irpen 02:45, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
The DYK section featured on the main page is always looking for interesting new and recently expanded stubs from different parts of the world. Please make a suggestion.-- Peta 02:13, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
The page about an educator is on AfD. Could someone take alook? TIA (posting here as the Talk page looks abandoned) Pavel Vozenilek 13:10, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
Just a reminder of a couple of excellent image sources that are UA specific.
Also, remembering the worldwide sites such as Flickr goes without saying of course. Flicks is good by being very clear about the licenses.
Personally, I do not recommend uploading to commons, particularly the images from ua.vlasenko.net and klymenko.data-tec.net. Those images have watermarks and their being in commons results in this. If the image is copied from Wiki to commons, then deleted from Wiki as redundant and then attacked and deleted in Commons, the image becomes lost along with its source. So, sticking it to Wiki has advantages. See this for more. -- Irpen 11:08, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
I am fairly new to the English Wikipedia and have written only a couple of articles but the recent two of them were virtully massacred by User:Ghirlandajo. Hetman Vyhovsky was termed as a "traitor" and the articles as "nationalist". All the significant changes were made without any consultation whatsoever. Since he is obviously looking for confrontation, I myself stopped discussing with him any issues relating to these articles and would like to ask the more experienced users to arrange for outside mediation to revert the siginificant and very biased changes and to reach to mutually agreed and neutral versions. Thanks.-- Hillock65 18:11, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
It seems to me the subject below might be of interest of Ukrainian editors, but again I could be wrong. Since I am being continually reverted on the main page, let me place them here, so that others know what the controversy is all about.
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Dear colleagues, I received the following request:
Do we have such a category here? Cheers. ← Humus sapiens ←ну? 09:40, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
BTW, the category mentioned by Michael is I think unnecessary and duplicating both the Category:Subdivisions of Ukraine and Category:Ukrainian historical regions. Shouldn't we remove it in order to clean-up the Wikiservers? Ukrained 21:35, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Is anybody interested with this? Ukrained 21:35, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Dear all, I have thought to bring this up for a while and only now got to it. Ukraine has several established institutions of higher education and their coverage is pitiful. We should standartize that and I suggest to start with names. Putting the Kiv/Kyiv-Mogila/Mohyla-Academy aside for now (can we do that please), I suggest that we have the school articles named by the name the institutions were and are best known. There were lots of renaming activity not just in WP but also in Ukraine. At certain point Pedagogical, Kharch-Prom institutes, etc. and even some tekhnikums restyled themselves "universities". OTOH, some very well-known and respected schools also renamed itself, like Kiev or Odessa Polytechnic. Also, Kiev University was known as St. Vladimir's in RU epire, KGU in Soviet times (along with the Krasonyarsk one) and "National Taras Shevchenko University of Kyiv" now. These all names are varieties of one name under which the institution was known as Kiev University which never changed.
Similarly the famous "Kiev Polytechnic Institute" may have been restyled to National Technical University "Kyiv Polytechnic Institute" but it still is known as Kiev Polytechnic Insitute and so should the article be called. Other respected Polytechnics such as Odessa, Lviv, Kharkiv might have also changed to "Universities" (I know for a fact that some did). Let's just call them Polytechnics. Similarly Kharkiv Institue of Radio Electronics, renamed itself into some University.
What do you people think about it?. -- Irpen 22:34, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
The articles whose names already satisfy the proposed rule are:
Same rule will be applied to the future articles. Please note that this proposal only concerns the titles of the articles. We sill still introduce the official and historic names in the first line. Any thoughts? -- Irpen 05:22, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Do you mean that someone saying Odessa University may actually mean one of several institutions? I know that this is not the case for Kiev. One saying Kiev University is always referring to Kiev National T. Shevchenko University and not KMA, Polytech or any other institution. -- Irpen 19:30, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
OK, please take a look at how I just did it at the Kiev University and Kiev University (disambiguation). If you think that's adequate, we can implement the same solution for Odessa as well as other cities. -- Irpen 21:45, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
This is where we disagree. The whole issue came into prominence because the term "University" has been significantly distorted in post-Soviet countries due to the hectic renaming spree where each higher education institution renamed itself into a University while the institution's structures remaining unchanged. By the common definition, the University is "an institution of higher education and research, which grants academic degrees at all levels (bachelor, master, and doctorate) in a variety of subjects." As you may well know, this definition does not apply to every institute of higher education in Ukraine that now calls itself "a University". Obviously the Mechnikov University qualifies by the breadth of the studies it offers but the Maritime University does not. In no way this implied that the Maritime University, as well as many other technical institutions of higher education in Ukraine with a rich and proud history of academic accomplishment are somehow inferior. Kiev, Odessa, Lviv and many other Polytechnics are very respected institutions. Nevertheless, they remain mostly technically oriented while the University has to by definition cover both technical and humanitarian fields of studies. That's why we use historic names of these institutions, under which they are still most commonly referred to to this date, for the article titles, but we give the full current official name within the article's text.
You raised a valid point about the disambiguation and I think the way it is done for Kiev University addresses the issue. In an unlikely case someone browsing the category:Universities in Ukraine looking for Kiev Polytechnic or Kyiv-Mohyla Academy clicks on the Kiev University that would lead the reader to the Shevchenko University, that person would immediately see the dab link at the top. But in all honesty, this is rather unlikely to happen. If all three: the KU, KPI and KMA are all listed in one cat, the reader would likely correctly identify what he is looking for.
While at it, I think it is a good idea to rename Category:Universities in Ukraine to Category:Institutes of higher education in Ukraine. The reason is that if the Pedagogical or Kharch-Prom institute in one city has renamed itself into a "University" but its counterpart in another city did not, this is no reason why they should still not be in the same category. Especially since we have now just a handful of the articles in the category, keeping them all together would add clarity and would not cause any confusion. -- Irpen 18:28, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
Template: User DinamoKiev has just been created. Feel free to fix it or edit it so that it looks better. -- DDima 21:39, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
I suggest you to fix this silly situation with articles Lodomeria vs. Volodymyr-Volynskyi / Volodymyr-Volynia principality. mikka (t) 02:36, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
What is a rationale for two cats that duplicate each other? Can anybody articulate a difference between city and town? It's all very subjective imho. Suppose a new editor starts the article about Chartorysk - how should he know which cat should be preferred? -- Ghirla | talk 09:50, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
And there is also townlet. -- Irpen 07:06, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
But it was argued above to use town for SMT, wasn't it? Anyway, I used townlet in Stebliv. I hope I did it right. -- Irpen 19:43, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
How come there are no Ukrainian sections in List of most common surnames or Family name. Are there any articles covering Ukrainian family names at all? . Kevlar67 04:39, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
I completely restructured this article and about doubled it's lenghth by adding many sub-sections. I would like comments on my progress. Kevlar67 01:05, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
Reading the list, you learn that the greatest "religious massacre" of the 17th century was as follows: "1648-1649 - Chmielnicki Uprising - 100,000 Poland Jews and Polish nobles killed by Cossacks under Bohdan Chmielnicki". Judging by the spelling of his last name, I get an idea as to who inserted this "fact" into the list. Please take a look if the quoted description is factually accurate. -- Ghirla -трёп- 12:56, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
It would have been great if someone translated fr:Les cosaques Zaporogues écrivant une lettre au sultan de Turquie. The subject is definitely worth it. I would have done it myself if it were not for my self-imposed ban on ua-related articles. Cheers, Ghirla -трёп- 16:36, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
The comment below is moved from talk Ukraine. -- Irpen 20:36, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
Dear Ukrainian fellow-Wikipedians, one of our contributing editors Kuban coSSack's talking about dictatorial ruler Lukashenka (who massively and monstrously falsified the vote) and today's storming of the October square, when hundreds of special police arrested peaceful demonstrators, totally destoryed the camp, threw empty vodka bottles into the mess and videotaped that for Belarusan state television. Here's Kuban coSSack's comment about this police action and break-up of a peaceful protest, which took place at 3AM so that there would be no witnesses of their activity:
Dear fellow Wikipedians, do you understand that the only purpose of his contributions on articles about Belarus (such as Belarusian language, Belarusian history, Belarus, etc.) is to push Russian imperial POV and lies? Please, see history and talk pages of the Belarus-related articles. -- rydel 16:34, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
Please vote to keep or delete Category:Webcomics of Ukraine and Category:Webcomics by country at Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 March 29. — Michael Z. 2006-03-29 03:33 Z
Just noticed we have two articles on the same dam, Dnieper Hydroelectric Station and DnieproGES. I put a merge request up, anyone would like to edit the text. -- Kuban Cossack 19:19, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
I have created Template:Audio-uk for use with Ukrainian pronunciation .ogg files. Olessi 20:27, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
Please join the discussion at Category talk:Russian people about whether the category should include ethnic Russians and Soviet people. Conscious 04:36, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Please state your opinion at Talk:FC Metalurh Zaporizhzhya (a cut&paste move needs to be fixed). Conscious 10:44, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
There is a discussion on how to name this article Talk:Władysław II Jagiełło Juraune 08:54, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
A new approval poll has begun. Again at Talk:Władysław II Jagiełło. Shilkanni 20:03, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Hey, there is a discussion (and poll) going down at Talk:Georgia (country), we'd appreciate your input. - FrancisTyers · 11:50, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
A potential DYK for the Potemkin Stairs article (by User:Odessaukrain). Discussion is taking place here.-- Riurik 18:15, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm concerned that the article Euro-Ukrainian alphabet constitutes original research. Can anyone supply some references? — Michael Z. 2006-08-14 16:51 Z
I added the cleanup tag to this article yesterday: it is in need of attention. I just thought I'd place a note here too. -- Roleplayer 12:09, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
I saw that Ukrainians Wikipedians love to mix English with their own language, and are using "raion" and "oblast" for districts and regions of Ukraine. However, the purpose of Wikipedia is not to enrich the English language. This Wikipedia is for ordinary English speaking people, and I don't think is necesary to force them to check the article raion or oblast in order to understand an other article. I suggest to use district instead of raion and region (or province) instead of oblast. Russians already made this change.-- MariusM 22:04, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
Dear editors of Ukraine-related articles,
I appreciate the de-russification of names, f.e. example Vasyl Ivanchuk instead of Vasily Ivanchuk. The only problem is that this breaks the Naming conventions. In a similar case I wanted to move Rafael Vaganian (an Armenian chess player) to Rafael Vahanyan but this was rejected by other users referring to the naming conventions, the only criterium of which is commonness. But the commonness (i.e. Google) is a result of thoughtless transcription of thousands of people from each other.
That is why I search for allies. In my eyes the mission of an encyclopedia is not the copying of incorrect information but throwing light on things. If anybody is interested in this topic, please answer. Ulf-S. 18:36, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
More, his "correct" name is neither Vaganyan, nor Vahanyan but Ռաֆայել Վահանյան and that's what he should be called in Armenian WP. This is the only sure thing. There is no strict rule for the rest. Perhaps the current official translit would be Vahanyan. But this does not make it a correct or incorrect name by itself. It would sure be a correct translit according to a particulat rule. But his English name is what people call him in English speaking world and that should be the title for the article, to avoid the reader's confusion. Other names belong to the text. This is the basic logic behind the rule given in WP:NC(UE): "If you are talking about a person, country, town, movie or book, use the most commonly used English version of the name for the article, as you would find it in other encyclopedias and reference works." Don't get upset over it. Nothing can make him anything else but an Armenian grandmaster :). -- Irpen 05:43, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
Per Irpen: google results in the raw are not the only factor that unquestionably proves the common usage. Like I said previously, you have a decent argument. If after you move it, there is still a lot of opposition maybe writing a couple of sentences about vahanyan vs vaganian can help. I really do not see any harm in having the article under Vahanyan with Vaganian redirecting there as long as the spelling is explained somewhere in the article. This issue does not need to usurp so much time as to take away from other projects.-- Riurik (discuss) 19:10, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
Dear Ulf-S: Being a volunteer, I checked "Vasyl Ivanchuk" vs. "Vasily Ivanchuk" and I didn't find a valid reason to prefer the latter name over the former. Best, KPbIC 22:31, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
As agreed above, google search results by itself are just one of the factors to take into account. Major media results here are very convinsing. But here, even google results if compared correctly yield the same. Just make sure you restrict your search to the sites in English:
The article needs moved to the latter title. -- Irpen 01:26, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
You can hypothesize what's "probably" but your (or mine) hypothesizing belongs to the talk pages at most. Please do not confuse the facts on the ground with the reasons why they are such. Encyclopedia should reflect the current situation. The person is known to the English reader under a certain name and the article should reflect that and this is exactly what WP:NC state. The proper place to campaign against the world injustices is the media and street demonstrations, not encyclopedias which should summarize available sources. When you attain some change in the world usage, the encyclopedia will reflect those changes. Similarly to how Kharkiv replaced Kharkov in the modern usage. -- Irpen 02:45, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
The DYK section featured on the main page is always looking for interesting new and recently expanded stubs from different parts of the world. Please make a suggestion.-- Peta 02:13, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
The page about an educator is on AfD. Could someone take alook? TIA (posting here as the Talk page looks abandoned) Pavel Vozenilek 13:10, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
Just a reminder of a couple of excellent image sources that are UA specific.
Also, remembering the worldwide sites such as Flickr goes without saying of course. Flicks is good by being very clear about the licenses.
Personally, I do not recommend uploading to commons, particularly the images from ua.vlasenko.net and klymenko.data-tec.net. Those images have watermarks and their being in commons results in this. If the image is copied from Wiki to commons, then deleted from Wiki as redundant and then attacked and deleted in Commons, the image becomes lost along with its source. So, sticking it to Wiki has advantages. See this for more. -- Irpen 11:08, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
I am fairly new to the English Wikipedia and have written only a couple of articles but the recent two of them were virtully massacred by User:Ghirlandajo. Hetman Vyhovsky was termed as a "traitor" and the articles as "nationalist". All the significant changes were made without any consultation whatsoever. Since he is obviously looking for confrontation, I myself stopped discussing with him any issues relating to these articles and would like to ask the more experienced users to arrange for outside mediation to revert the siginificant and very biased changes and to reach to mutually agreed and neutral versions. Thanks.-- Hillock65 18:11, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
It seems to me the subject below might be of interest of Ukrainian editors, but again I could be wrong. Since I am being continually reverted on the main page, let me place them here, so that others know what the controversy is all about.
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