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If any of you ever wonder about the usefulness of sorting stubs, this article might convince you: [1] ... And now, back to work. Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 14:03, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
I wish to start new articles about some my favorite television sports commentators. I am looking for appropriate stubs to use for articles about the following types of people: "play-by-play announcers or color commentators (basketball, golf, etc.)"; "television sports pundits or experts; sports-related talking heads, etc"; "sports columnists and journalists". If no specific stubs exist, I'll just use a general "Broadcaster" or "Television personality" stub. Thanks!-- The Fat Man Who Never Came Back 11:48, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
I just created this per a discussion a while ago, but I've no idea where to put it other than in Category:Diplomats - including on the list of stub templates. Someone else care to step in here? Aelfthrytha 21:23, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
User:Draicone/WikiProject Reference Help is a project Draicone is starting to get citation and reference tags properly sorted. There's a byzantine maze of citation templates, which most editors may not remember but which will help a lot in getting referencing up to scratch. Anyone bored? - David Gerard 23:10, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
There are currently 137 uncatogorized stubs. I'll help to fix that, but any help would be apretiated, - Royalguard11( Talk)( Desk) 03:10, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
I was just looking for Polish Biography stubs.Theyare all sorted by FIRST name, not LAST name. So if you don't know the first name it's very difficult to find.
How can this be corrected? There shoulb be some bot that would do this. I haven't checked other categories but assume the same problem exists.
Syrenab 19:21, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Syrenab 14:02, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
At the risk of opening up another can of worms, I think it'd be possible to change the coding of bio-stub templates (each on an individual basis) to sort by the second "word" of the article title, rather than the first. (Better would be the last word, but given the lack of suitable parser functions, it'd take a pretty ugly hack to implement that.) Alai 06:55, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
We've gotten rid of the backlog of uncategorized stubs. As of the time I'm posting this, there are only 17 uncategorized stubs. We should try to keep up at this pace. Toonmon2005 01:30, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
Isn't there a standard for the size of those stub thumbnails? Right now, on Mummy 3, there are 3 stub templates, one with a 40 px pic, one with 32 px and one with 30. The templates could be edited when/if a standard for image size exists... -- Azertus 16:14, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
There isn't a standard, due to the fact that the icons are all different shapes - but in practice anything from 30-40px is used, with larger numbers for horizontal icons like flags and smaller ones for vertical icons like towers. 30px is often too small to really show what an icon is - I tend to use 36px for a lot of icons. Grutness... wha? 23:58, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
I think ideally there would be a standard height, as Grutness alludes to. (Probably 25 or 30px.) But as far as I know, it's only possible to specify the width directly -- something to bug the devs over, shouldn't be hard to do. So what I tend to do is tweak it until it's a) not outrageously over-deep, and b) looks somewhat like what it's supposed to look like. Obviously choosing graphically clear icons in the first place is a useful ploy. Alai 06:28, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
(Physics-stub)
(Scientist-stub)
(Economist-stub)
(Tolkien-stub)
(UK-stub)
If the flags were changed to 25 px, that would give this result:
(UK-stub)
(Latvia-stub)
(Germany-stub)
(Denmark-stub)
So as I see it, the only problem is the flags. {{ Physics-stub}} needs cleaning up, btw! Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 15:36, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
FWIW, I've always used a standard length of 40px for flags - the only ones that are a problem that way are those which are close to square (for which I usually use 30px, though I neglected to do so recently on the Niger-geo-stub) - IMHO the 50x25 flags are uinnecessarily large. Grutness... wha? 23:01, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
After long threatening, I've now split out the above from what's now Category:very large categories. The latter has suffered progressive drift in meaning (if not an outright semantic coup), and now claims these are "very large by design", which is expressly not the case for stub types. It might still be worthwhile also having a separate Category:stub categories requring diffusion, as this might be better suited for stub categories that are unlikely to need much in the way of further (direct) subcats, but do need frequent re-sorting, such as Category:people stubs and Category:American people stubs -- both currently very large again, btw -- as well as Category:stubs itself. Alai 06:07, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
Have proposed at SfR, fyi. - CrazyRussian talk/ email 14:56, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
I note that User:Instantnood is on one of his "Hong Kong is not part of China" kicks (insofar as the previous one can be said to have ended), in particular as regards to the stub hierarchy. See [2] [3], [4], [5], [6] and [7] I'd welcome some additional input, rather than immediately getting into a revert war, or kicking this up to ANI or measures under his existing probation. Alai 16:26, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
Category:Stubs is back over the 200-stub mark... Grutness... wha? 00:24, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
I've attempted to clean up the wording at the top of the main Category:Geography stubs to be clearer and lower maintenance. Before it simply listed a large number of (but nowhere near all) the geo-stub types. If anyone can think of a way to simplify it still further, it'd be good - in any case, I'd like a few comments, positive or negative, on the new look. Grutness... wha? 00:09, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
Could someone have a look at User:Alai/Psychoactives -- which is a list of all the pharma-stubs which are hypnotics, sedatives, opioids, stimulants, anxiolytics, antidepressants, antipsychotics, alkyl nitrites, psychedelics, dissociatives, deliriants, mu-opioid agonists, semisynthetic opioids or mood stabilizers (according to their permcats). I've already attempted to sort these by bot into the new Category:psychoactive drug stubs, and had most of them reverted by a user who was less than communicative about what he was up to. Some indication of whether these need to be re-sorted by hand, or just re-stubbed as-was would be useful. Alai 03:56, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
I checked the numbers of stubs tagged with more than one tag (or more precisely, in more than one category), and here's how it looks.
+----------+----------+ | num_tags | count(*) | +----------+----------+ | 2 | 83797 | | 3 | 9102 | | 4 | 872 | | 5 | 99 | | 6 | 18 | | 7 | 5 | | 9 | 1 | | 15 | 1 | +----------+----------+
In case you're wondering about the fifteen... [8]. Other than that, doesn't seem too bad, really. Alai 21:19, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
Here they are:
+--------------------------------------+----------+ | article | num_tags | +--------------------------------------+----------+ | Peace_and_Security_Council | 15 | | Jacob_Esterline | 9 | | List_of_Celts | 7 | | National_Computer_Camps | 7 | | Newfoundland_in_Fiction | 7 | | Oregon-California_Trails_Association | 7 | | Treaty_of_Paris_(1814) | 7 | +--------------------------------------+----------+
If anyone wants to review the 6s (or the 5s, or the 4s), I'll upload those off-page. Alai 22:27, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 14:21, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
Don't worry - it's not an anti-WSS group! I came across this while looking for illegitimate stub templates - looks like a good scheme, but how come we haven't heard of it before? Grutness... wha? 22:32, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
I wasn't fully aware of this page when I changed Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Stub types to use transclusion rather than one enormous page; I just mentioned it on its talk page. (It is now in the history [9]) It seemed to me as a reasonable thing to do, but apparently I was too bold. Anyway, the problem I tried to address is the fact that the SS/ST page is so big that it is hard to handle. Someone complained that he can't even load the page without crashing his browser. I was going to mention that my browser doesn't like the page either when I saw that I wasn't the only one. The only disadvantage that I could think of is that interested WPSS editors need to watch the transcluded pages as well as the main page. The advantage is that non-WPSS editors would be able to opt for only seeing one section rather than the whole pile, which is a heavy load for both the wikipedia servers and the editor's computer. I know for my part that I avoid looking at the WPSS/ST page because it is so slow. It is easier to just add {{stub}} to a stub and let someone else sort it out. Han-Kwang 22:32, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
Why does vandalism trumps user access? As I mentioned at the beginning of the comments, that were clearly ignored, my browser crashes every time i go to Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Stub types.-- aceslead 18:01, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
OK, second try for a script. This time in my own sandbox space. See User:Hankwang/sandbox/stubindex. What do you think? It should be little effort to change it into a bot that runs on a daily basis. As I said above, this should make everyone happy. Han-Kwang 22:31, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
BTW: one of the methods I had in mind for finding a stub type is looking through the stub categories themselves (especially with the spiffy new view-as-tree thing). That somewhat presumes one has a reasonable place to start looking, though. (e.g. if you're looking to tag an article on a person, the numerous subtypes of {{ bio-stub}} / Category:people stubs are presumably what you want.) We could facilitate this by creating a list, or indeed a category, of "top level" stub types to start browsing from. (Another is the somewhat shorter -- though ironically, more inclusive, as it also includes the numerous unproposed and unlisted stub types -- list at User:Alai/Stub-counts (which I could at some point move to a more centralised, official-looking location, if anyone's minded).) Alai 06:58, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
I have fixed the unicode -- indeed it was my editor which assumed a different encoding. Now I don't completely understand Alai's latest remarks. In the current proposed index page, the section headings link to the full, big index page. I could build the robot to autogenerate pages for the sections (that will be about 12 sections in total), but I don't think that's what Alai means. Assigning every stub type to a stub category means updating some 3000 stubs. Easy enough for a bot, but then we're back to the (perceived) problem that editors could "sneak in" new stub types without an easy way to find out.
Anyway, do we have a consensus that I can write a bot to generate and maintain smaller pages from the main stub types list? In that case I will start a bot registration procedure and expand/test the script. This time in the sandbox until everybody is happy with the details of the format, of course. Han-Kwang 23:24, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
One option which might work as a compromise is to strip back the current page considerably by de-linking the templates, redirects, and any child types (but leaving the category and WikiProject links) and removing the size counts. The size counts can probably be handled more effectively via Alai's subpage anyway, especially if that is run by a script (is it?). So, for instance, instead of each line reading something like this...:
...it would read simply:
This would considerably reduce the page's coding without losing any information which isn't fairly simple to find elsewhere - hopefully it would reduce it enough to prevent some of the loading problems that some people are encountering. Grutness... wha? 00:17, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
To those involved: please tell me whether you would in principle support a robot maintained by me that generates derived pages from the stub types list. If yes, I will register a bot account and build a sandboxed prototype so that we can discuss the details of the page format without me having to do endless copy/pastes. If not, then I don't think it is meaningful for me to invest time and energy in discussing the details. Han-Kwang 08:57, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
My bot StubListBot ( talk · contribs) has now made a successful test run to generate what I originally had in mind. See User:Hankwang/sandbox/Stubindex2. As was requested, the sections are indented to show their place in the hierachy. It links to a number of smaller pages with fully linked categories and stub templates, which are just partial mirrors of the WSS:ST page.
Open issues:
Could you please comment whether this is acceptable or needs modificiation? Han-Kwang 19:59, 2 December 2006 (UTC) Han-Kwang 19:59, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
Why is the icon for mall stubs a bridge? Shouldn't it be a mall or something? -- Transfinite 01:12, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Normally, I'm not in doubt as to the proper use of -bio-stub templates, but regarding this article I must admit to be in two minds ... :) Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 19:43, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
<categorytree>Stub categories</categorytree>
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Aza
Toth 12:32, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Howdy all! I keep running across references to "db dumps", StubSense, etc. and would like to put together a little list of tools for use in stub sorting. I grasp tenuously the concept of a database dump, but not how Alai uses it for proposing stub types. I have a vague idea of how to use StubSense, but could use something spelled out (in as simple terms as possible). I am crushed that CatScan still cannot use the enwiki copy on the toolserver, but I hope for its restoration...someday...Anyway, anyone have a favorite tool and a brief idiot-friendly description of how to use it? Feel free to add it to my sandbox and I'll doll it up to add to the project page.
Of course, if someone has already done this, please point me to where and ... never mind... Pegship 17:50, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
I have cross posted this from Wikipedia talk:Categorization.
I have noticed a few users "categorising" articles by simply adding stub tags, (often replacing the {{ uncategorised}} tag with a stub for example). Can we formally add a sentence explicitly explaining that a stub tag (or any maintenance tag) does not categorise an article (in an encyclopedic sense), despite the fact that it does add a category.
Please reply at Wikipedia_talk:Categorization#stubs_and_categories. thanks Martin 17:26, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
As of the time listed below, there were 0 stub articles. All of them have been sorted into categories!!!!
YAY!!!
(I think i'm just happy, There are normally a lot of stubs on that category.)
T yson Moore 01:10, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Can some one who knows more about templates than me have a look at this template because there appears to be no articles in the category when yesterday there was 100's if not 1000's. I'm sure not all have been cleared out and the template was changed receently. Waacstats 09:23, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Hello all. I read the lengthy section above on this issue, but failed to see a consensus on a set thumbnail size. Is there a set standard in practice today or is the size determined on a case-by-case basis? The reason I ask is that I'm planning on standardizing the size of the shields on the WP:USRD stub templates, which right now are anywhere between 30-40px. Regards, TMF Let's Go Mets - Stats 19:05, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
I have a bunch of templates for Munich-related articles. You can find them on the main page of
WikiProject Munich.
Kingjeff 19:24, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
*Nope. I've been the primary editor on the project so far. There is actually less on this WikiProject then WikiProject Germany. I'm the extreme opposite of a deletionist. So, I'm not going to try and delete any. For anyone who wants to do stub-sorting for my WikiProject, go ahead. And to answer your question, none of them were proposed. I really didn't have anyone to proposed them to. Anyways, a WikiProject of this nature is very broad. So it should be expected to have a lot of stub sorting.
Kingjeff 20:59, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Well, I'm not going to propose them to another WikiProject nor will I let another WikiProject dictate what goes on in WikiProject Munich. Since this is a stub sorting WikiProject, I thought that this project might be interested in helping.
Kingjeff 21:07, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Forget I even brought this here. I'm starting to find this WikiProject untrustworthy. Kingjeff 23:03, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
User:The Transhumanist has recently started an interesting project, a "virtual classroom" giving handy tips and quick summaries on how parts of WP work. (S)he asked me to write something for it, so I've written a run-down on how stubs work for it, which can be seen here. Feel free to have a look and make any comments you think necessary, and also if you feel it's worth putting a link to it from pages like WP:STUB, and WP:WSS, feel free to do so! :) Grutness... wha? 01:03, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Do we know? I couldn't find a number anywhere, and the stub category is so large counting the pages even with the 200 interval will take a while (and counting subcats would be rather annoying).-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 20:34, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Quite often, when clearing Category:Stubs, I come across cases where the user has thought it would be a neat idea to put a stub template on their user page. When that happens, I subst the stub then explain on their talk page what I've done. After having written the same explanation a or more dozen times in the last few months, I've finally decided to make a subst'able template to add this information: {{ Stubbed user}}. Use it as you wish! Grutness... wha? 01:05, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Just discovered this deletion review debatre. Others may be interested in commenting... Grutness... wha? 04:47, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
Note: this category has been sent back to CFD; Deletion Review felt that it was worth seeing if consensus has changed since the very minimal discussion back in March. Please feel free to provide any input on the new deletion discussion, as this touches on an aspect of the Stub Sorting project. -- nae' blis 19:22, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 19:34, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
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If any of you ever wonder about the usefulness of sorting stubs, this article might convince you: [1] ... And now, back to work. Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 14:03, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
I wish to start new articles about some my favorite television sports commentators. I am looking for appropriate stubs to use for articles about the following types of people: "play-by-play announcers or color commentators (basketball, golf, etc.)"; "television sports pundits or experts; sports-related talking heads, etc"; "sports columnists and journalists". If no specific stubs exist, I'll just use a general "Broadcaster" or "Television personality" stub. Thanks!-- The Fat Man Who Never Came Back 11:48, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
I just created this per a discussion a while ago, but I've no idea where to put it other than in Category:Diplomats - including on the list of stub templates. Someone else care to step in here? Aelfthrytha 21:23, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
User:Draicone/WikiProject Reference Help is a project Draicone is starting to get citation and reference tags properly sorted. There's a byzantine maze of citation templates, which most editors may not remember but which will help a lot in getting referencing up to scratch. Anyone bored? - David Gerard 23:10, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
There are currently 137 uncatogorized stubs. I'll help to fix that, but any help would be apretiated, - Royalguard11( Talk)( Desk) 03:10, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
I was just looking for Polish Biography stubs.Theyare all sorted by FIRST name, not LAST name. So if you don't know the first name it's very difficult to find.
How can this be corrected? There shoulb be some bot that would do this. I haven't checked other categories but assume the same problem exists.
Syrenab 19:21, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Syrenab 14:02, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
At the risk of opening up another can of worms, I think it'd be possible to change the coding of bio-stub templates (each on an individual basis) to sort by the second "word" of the article title, rather than the first. (Better would be the last word, but given the lack of suitable parser functions, it'd take a pretty ugly hack to implement that.) Alai 06:55, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
We've gotten rid of the backlog of uncategorized stubs. As of the time I'm posting this, there are only 17 uncategorized stubs. We should try to keep up at this pace. Toonmon2005 01:30, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
Isn't there a standard for the size of those stub thumbnails? Right now, on Mummy 3, there are 3 stub templates, one with a 40 px pic, one with 32 px and one with 30. The templates could be edited when/if a standard for image size exists... -- Azertus 16:14, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
There isn't a standard, due to the fact that the icons are all different shapes - but in practice anything from 30-40px is used, with larger numbers for horizontal icons like flags and smaller ones for vertical icons like towers. 30px is often too small to really show what an icon is - I tend to use 36px for a lot of icons. Grutness... wha? 23:58, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
I think ideally there would be a standard height, as Grutness alludes to. (Probably 25 or 30px.) But as far as I know, it's only possible to specify the width directly -- something to bug the devs over, shouldn't be hard to do. So what I tend to do is tweak it until it's a) not outrageously over-deep, and b) looks somewhat like what it's supposed to look like. Obviously choosing graphically clear icons in the first place is a useful ploy. Alai 06:28, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
(Physics-stub)
(Scientist-stub)
(Economist-stub)
(Tolkien-stub)
(UK-stub)
If the flags were changed to 25 px, that would give this result:
(UK-stub)
(Latvia-stub)
(Germany-stub)
(Denmark-stub)
So as I see it, the only problem is the flags. {{ Physics-stub}} needs cleaning up, btw! Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 15:36, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
FWIW, I've always used a standard length of 40px for flags - the only ones that are a problem that way are those which are close to square (for which I usually use 30px, though I neglected to do so recently on the Niger-geo-stub) - IMHO the 50x25 flags are uinnecessarily large. Grutness... wha? 23:01, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
After long threatening, I've now split out the above from what's now Category:very large categories. The latter has suffered progressive drift in meaning (if not an outright semantic coup), and now claims these are "very large by design", which is expressly not the case for stub types. It might still be worthwhile also having a separate Category:stub categories requring diffusion, as this might be better suited for stub categories that are unlikely to need much in the way of further (direct) subcats, but do need frequent re-sorting, such as Category:people stubs and Category:American people stubs -- both currently very large again, btw -- as well as Category:stubs itself. Alai 06:07, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
Have proposed at SfR, fyi. - CrazyRussian talk/ email 14:56, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
I note that User:Instantnood is on one of his "Hong Kong is not part of China" kicks (insofar as the previous one can be said to have ended), in particular as regards to the stub hierarchy. See [2] [3], [4], [5], [6] and [7] I'd welcome some additional input, rather than immediately getting into a revert war, or kicking this up to ANI or measures under his existing probation. Alai 16:26, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
Category:Stubs is back over the 200-stub mark... Grutness... wha? 00:24, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
I've attempted to clean up the wording at the top of the main Category:Geography stubs to be clearer and lower maintenance. Before it simply listed a large number of (but nowhere near all) the geo-stub types. If anyone can think of a way to simplify it still further, it'd be good - in any case, I'd like a few comments, positive or negative, on the new look. Grutness... wha? 00:09, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
Could someone have a look at User:Alai/Psychoactives -- which is a list of all the pharma-stubs which are hypnotics, sedatives, opioids, stimulants, anxiolytics, antidepressants, antipsychotics, alkyl nitrites, psychedelics, dissociatives, deliriants, mu-opioid agonists, semisynthetic opioids or mood stabilizers (according to their permcats). I've already attempted to sort these by bot into the new Category:psychoactive drug stubs, and had most of them reverted by a user who was less than communicative about what he was up to. Some indication of whether these need to be re-sorted by hand, or just re-stubbed as-was would be useful. Alai 03:56, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
I checked the numbers of stubs tagged with more than one tag (or more precisely, in more than one category), and here's how it looks.
+----------+----------+ | num_tags | count(*) | +----------+----------+ | 2 | 83797 | | 3 | 9102 | | 4 | 872 | | 5 | 99 | | 6 | 18 | | 7 | 5 | | 9 | 1 | | 15 | 1 | +----------+----------+
In case you're wondering about the fifteen... [8]. Other than that, doesn't seem too bad, really. Alai 21:19, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
Here they are:
+--------------------------------------+----------+ | article | num_tags | +--------------------------------------+----------+ | Peace_and_Security_Council | 15 | | Jacob_Esterline | 9 | | List_of_Celts | 7 | | National_Computer_Camps | 7 | | Newfoundland_in_Fiction | 7 | | Oregon-California_Trails_Association | 7 | | Treaty_of_Paris_(1814) | 7 | +--------------------------------------+----------+
If anyone wants to review the 6s (or the 5s, or the 4s), I'll upload those off-page. Alai 22:27, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 14:21, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
Don't worry - it's not an anti-WSS group! I came across this while looking for illegitimate stub templates - looks like a good scheme, but how come we haven't heard of it before? Grutness... wha? 22:32, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
I wasn't fully aware of this page when I changed Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Stub types to use transclusion rather than one enormous page; I just mentioned it on its talk page. (It is now in the history [9]) It seemed to me as a reasonable thing to do, but apparently I was too bold. Anyway, the problem I tried to address is the fact that the SS/ST page is so big that it is hard to handle. Someone complained that he can't even load the page without crashing his browser. I was going to mention that my browser doesn't like the page either when I saw that I wasn't the only one. The only disadvantage that I could think of is that interested WPSS editors need to watch the transcluded pages as well as the main page. The advantage is that non-WPSS editors would be able to opt for only seeing one section rather than the whole pile, which is a heavy load for both the wikipedia servers and the editor's computer. I know for my part that I avoid looking at the WPSS/ST page because it is so slow. It is easier to just add {{stub}} to a stub and let someone else sort it out. Han-Kwang 22:32, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
Why does vandalism trumps user access? As I mentioned at the beginning of the comments, that were clearly ignored, my browser crashes every time i go to Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Stub types.-- aceslead 18:01, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
OK, second try for a script. This time in my own sandbox space. See User:Hankwang/sandbox/stubindex. What do you think? It should be little effort to change it into a bot that runs on a daily basis. As I said above, this should make everyone happy. Han-Kwang 22:31, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
BTW: one of the methods I had in mind for finding a stub type is looking through the stub categories themselves (especially with the spiffy new view-as-tree thing). That somewhat presumes one has a reasonable place to start looking, though. (e.g. if you're looking to tag an article on a person, the numerous subtypes of {{ bio-stub}} / Category:people stubs are presumably what you want.) We could facilitate this by creating a list, or indeed a category, of "top level" stub types to start browsing from. (Another is the somewhat shorter -- though ironically, more inclusive, as it also includes the numerous unproposed and unlisted stub types -- list at User:Alai/Stub-counts (which I could at some point move to a more centralised, official-looking location, if anyone's minded).) Alai 06:58, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
I have fixed the unicode -- indeed it was my editor which assumed a different encoding. Now I don't completely understand Alai's latest remarks. In the current proposed index page, the section headings link to the full, big index page. I could build the robot to autogenerate pages for the sections (that will be about 12 sections in total), but I don't think that's what Alai means. Assigning every stub type to a stub category means updating some 3000 stubs. Easy enough for a bot, but then we're back to the (perceived) problem that editors could "sneak in" new stub types without an easy way to find out.
Anyway, do we have a consensus that I can write a bot to generate and maintain smaller pages from the main stub types list? In that case I will start a bot registration procedure and expand/test the script. This time in the sandbox until everybody is happy with the details of the format, of course. Han-Kwang 23:24, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
One option which might work as a compromise is to strip back the current page considerably by de-linking the templates, redirects, and any child types (but leaving the category and WikiProject links) and removing the size counts. The size counts can probably be handled more effectively via Alai's subpage anyway, especially if that is run by a script (is it?). So, for instance, instead of each line reading something like this...:
...it would read simply:
This would considerably reduce the page's coding without losing any information which isn't fairly simple to find elsewhere - hopefully it would reduce it enough to prevent some of the loading problems that some people are encountering. Grutness... wha? 00:17, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
To those involved: please tell me whether you would in principle support a robot maintained by me that generates derived pages from the stub types list. If yes, I will register a bot account and build a sandboxed prototype so that we can discuss the details of the page format without me having to do endless copy/pastes. If not, then I don't think it is meaningful for me to invest time and energy in discussing the details. Han-Kwang 08:57, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
My bot StubListBot ( talk · contribs) has now made a successful test run to generate what I originally had in mind. See User:Hankwang/sandbox/Stubindex2. As was requested, the sections are indented to show their place in the hierachy. It links to a number of smaller pages with fully linked categories and stub templates, which are just partial mirrors of the WSS:ST page.
Open issues:
Could you please comment whether this is acceptable or needs modificiation? Han-Kwang 19:59, 2 December 2006 (UTC) Han-Kwang 19:59, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
Why is the icon for mall stubs a bridge? Shouldn't it be a mall or something? -- Transfinite 01:12, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Normally, I'm not in doubt as to the proper use of -bio-stub templates, but regarding this article I must admit to be in two minds ... :) Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 19:43, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
<categorytree>Stub categories</categorytree>
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Toth 12:32, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Howdy all! I keep running across references to "db dumps", StubSense, etc. and would like to put together a little list of tools for use in stub sorting. I grasp tenuously the concept of a database dump, but not how Alai uses it for proposing stub types. I have a vague idea of how to use StubSense, but could use something spelled out (in as simple terms as possible). I am crushed that CatScan still cannot use the enwiki copy on the toolserver, but I hope for its restoration...someday...Anyway, anyone have a favorite tool and a brief idiot-friendly description of how to use it? Feel free to add it to my sandbox and I'll doll it up to add to the project page.
Of course, if someone has already done this, please point me to where and ... never mind... Pegship 17:50, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
I have cross posted this from Wikipedia talk:Categorization.
I have noticed a few users "categorising" articles by simply adding stub tags, (often replacing the {{ uncategorised}} tag with a stub for example). Can we formally add a sentence explicitly explaining that a stub tag (or any maintenance tag) does not categorise an article (in an encyclopedic sense), despite the fact that it does add a category.
Please reply at Wikipedia_talk:Categorization#stubs_and_categories. thanks Martin 17:26, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
As of the time listed below, there were 0 stub articles. All of them have been sorted into categories!!!!
YAY!!!
(I think i'm just happy, There are normally a lot of stubs on that category.)
T yson Moore 01:10, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Can some one who knows more about templates than me have a look at this template because there appears to be no articles in the category when yesterday there was 100's if not 1000's. I'm sure not all have been cleared out and the template was changed receently. Waacstats 09:23, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Hello all. I read the lengthy section above on this issue, but failed to see a consensus on a set thumbnail size. Is there a set standard in practice today or is the size determined on a case-by-case basis? The reason I ask is that I'm planning on standardizing the size of the shields on the WP:USRD stub templates, which right now are anywhere between 30-40px. Regards, TMF Let's Go Mets - Stats 19:05, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
I have a bunch of templates for Munich-related articles. You can find them on the main page of
WikiProject Munich.
Kingjeff 19:24, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
*Nope. I've been the primary editor on the project so far. There is actually less on this WikiProject then WikiProject Germany. I'm the extreme opposite of a deletionist. So, I'm not going to try and delete any. For anyone who wants to do stub-sorting for my WikiProject, go ahead. And to answer your question, none of them were proposed. I really didn't have anyone to proposed them to. Anyways, a WikiProject of this nature is very broad. So it should be expected to have a lot of stub sorting.
Kingjeff 20:59, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Well, I'm not going to propose them to another WikiProject nor will I let another WikiProject dictate what goes on in WikiProject Munich. Since this is a stub sorting WikiProject, I thought that this project might be interested in helping.
Kingjeff 21:07, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Forget I even brought this here. I'm starting to find this WikiProject untrustworthy. Kingjeff 23:03, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
User:The Transhumanist has recently started an interesting project, a "virtual classroom" giving handy tips and quick summaries on how parts of WP work. (S)he asked me to write something for it, so I've written a run-down on how stubs work for it, which can be seen here. Feel free to have a look and make any comments you think necessary, and also if you feel it's worth putting a link to it from pages like WP:STUB, and WP:WSS, feel free to do so! :) Grutness... wha? 01:03, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Do we know? I couldn't find a number anywhere, and the stub category is so large counting the pages even with the 200 interval will take a while (and counting subcats would be rather annoying).-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 20:34, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Quite often, when clearing Category:Stubs, I come across cases where the user has thought it would be a neat idea to put a stub template on their user page. When that happens, I subst the stub then explain on their talk page what I've done. After having written the same explanation a or more dozen times in the last few months, I've finally decided to make a subst'able template to add this information: {{ Stubbed user}}. Use it as you wish! Grutness... wha? 01:05, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Just discovered this deletion review debatre. Others may be interested in commenting... Grutness... wha? 04:47, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
Note: this category has been sent back to CFD; Deletion Review felt that it was worth seeing if consensus has changed since the very minimal discussion back in March. Please feel free to provide any input on the new deletion discussion, as this touches on an aspect of the Stub Sorting project. -- nae' blis 19:22, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 19:34, 30 December 2006 (UTC)