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I was looking at the /Discoveries page and the logs haven't been updated in a while. February and March requests are still going under January. -- Jeremy ( blah blah • I did it!) 19:26, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
I've created a talk page template to be used when an editor uses the {{ stub}} tag instead of sorting it further. Feel free to make any edits at {{ Stub sort}}.
Using subst: is recommended, I didn't so changes can be shown on this page. See also my talk page for another example. I'm still working out a few bugs, feel free to help if you can. Gosox( 55)( 55) 20:48, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
How should we stub Israeli settlements in the Palestinian territories, Sinai, Golan Heights etc? It seems extremely POV to label them "Geography of Israel", as they are widely recognized as illegal. However, stubbing them as "Geography of the Palestinian territories" isn't exactly correct either. They are controlled by Israel and are mostly likely going to be expanded by those looking for Israeli stubs. Thoughts?-- TM 22:15, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
What WikiProject should the above Stub come under, WikiProject Radio Stations or WikiProject Christianity? Kathleen.wright5 22:42, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
Currently your documentation says to place stub templates last after the Categories, This produces needless whitespace between the last template on the page and the stub template (Example: { After Categories} and { Before Categories}). Perhaps your documentation could be updated to recommend placing them as the last template but before the categories to reduce whitespace issues? Peachey88 ( Talk Page · Contribs) 03:38, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
Should a clear policy be drawn, and all existing stub types be carefully reviewed? The current situation is rather messy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.237.150.205 ( talk) 11:12, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
Should Hong Kong stub templates that are not yet having any stub category be fed into the Asia one or the China one? Some Hong Kong stubs are actually not related to China nor the People's Republic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.237.150.205 ( talk) 11:15, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
Hi all - regretfully, health issues mean that I will be greatly reducing my workload on Wikipedia in general and WP:WSS in particular (full details can be found on my user page). Most of the tasks I do here aren't that important - though I do regularly sweep out any unsubcategorised stubs from various geo-stub categories, as listed at the top of my sandbox.
One task that I do daily, though, is very important: I check any new templates that are made, looking for unproposed ones that need to be taken to either WP:WSS/D or WP:SFD. please could I ask that someone else takes up this task? It usually takes very little time, but can be a bit stressful occasionally, since it's here that WP:WSS tends to come into contact with people who either don't know or don't care about the proposal process.
Given how many new pages are kept listed under Special:NewPages, this task would need to be done at least every two or three days, though I prefer to do it daily if possible ((it takes less time per go that way, and it's easier to knwo which ones have or haven't been checked). Grutness... wha? 22:15, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
There are a batch of "lists of lists" currently labelled as {{ stub}} by Yobot. They're being stubbed automatically because of an AWB rule specifying that the tag can be added to anything under 300 characters. I'm inclined to add a long comment and remove the stub tag, but not sure that this is right. Should the AWB rule exclude lists? or "lists of lists"? I've raised it at User_talk:Magioladitis#Yobot_and_stubs_and_lists_of_lists. PamD ( talk) 11:10, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
How do you fix the hierarchy in the template's documentation? I'm looking at about five stub templates, e.g., Template:Cutaneous-infection-stub, which should probably be considered 'children' of Template:Dermatology-stub and/or Template:Cutaneous-condition-stub.
The cats are already arranged correctly, but the template documentation doesn't name the intermediate steps (which I think might be useful to the occasional editor, if the more specific template doesn't seem to quite fit).
The stub templates don't seem to use a normal doc page, and I haven't been able to find the instructions anywhere. Can someone point me in the right direction? WhatamIdoing ( talk) 20:03, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
I've been baffled how, just recently, it seems that new stub categories are not filling accurately.
Here's the issue. In accordance with stub policies, I'll create an upmerge template linking to one particular parent category. Then, once I find 60 articles, I try to move everything into a new child category. The category and template link up correctly, and any newly tagged articles are placed in the new category, but the original 60 stay in the old category, unless they get resaved.
Here's a couple examples of categories that have been waiting days to receive their articles:
It seems like it was only a month or so ago when, if I updated the template at certain times of the day, the articles would dump right into the new category. Why the long wait now? Dawynn ( talk) 11:34, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
I just found an article with a stub cat from 2008. Fixed it up and went looking. There are nearly 5k articles (as of March) with stub cats. What to do? Rich Farmbrough, 02:53, 5 May 2010 (UTC).
These are a sub-cat of "people by occupation stubs" Category:Pirate stubs if it existed would be the rightful sub-cat of people by occupation. Rich Farmbrough, 10:13, 5 May 2010 (UTC).
I recently created Category:Italian sport stubs and {{ Italy-sport-stub}}. It's likely that I omitted some step that you folks would have liked me to take, or I did it in some way that was slightly different that what you would prefer. I am notifying you here so that you can clean it up after me. Also because I used {{ WPSS-cat}} to say that you would be maintaining it. Thanks. — Mark Dominus ( talk) 19:24, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
I am a member of the Canadian music project. Is it possible to get our seven stubs renamed from "Canada" to "Canadian"?
I ask because every category to which these stubs relate are all named Category:Canadian ??? Thanks. Argolin ( talk) 08:47, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
In New Zealand, we have a politics taskforce. The related page is
Wikipedia:WikiProject New Zealand/politics. In April 2010, the project was renamed from
Wikipedia:WikiProject New Zealand/governments to broaden its scope, and to more accurately reflect the scope. I suspect that
Category:New Zealand government stubs exists because it reflected the former taskforce name. I propose that the category be deleted, and the 62 pages be added to
Category:New Zealand politics stubs (where there are currently 449 pages and 2 subcategories). I've posted a note at
Category talk:New Zealand government stubs as well as
politics task force talk page.
Schwede
66 18:30, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
I noticed that the category Onchidiidae stubs is in the category Heterobranchia stubs along with Pulmonata stubs, however Onchidiidae is a superfamily under the informal class Pulmonata. My question is should I move Onchidiidae stubs into the Pulmonata stubs category? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pepper543210 ( talk • contribs) 23:06, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
I don't believe the template {{ Canada-country-band-stub}} was authorised by your project. The Canadian music project currently has a total 80 country musical groups (including subgenres). Placement of this template adds the article to Category:Canadian musical group stubs. Further, there is no mention of this template in the Category:Canadian country music groups. I don't see it's usefulness at this point for the Canadian music project as it is the only genre based stub type. Can it be deleted? Argolin ( talk) 23:21, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
At Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/2009/June#Reorganisation of Pharmacology stub categories, splitting the Category:Pharmacology stubs (> 3000 entries) and the corresponding stub template was discussed and approved of, though never implemented. Can I go ahead with it, or is there something like an expiry date for this consensus? Thanks -- ἀνυπόδητος ( talk) 15:51, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
How do I (for example) mark {{ antiinfective-agent-stub}} as a subtype of {{ pharma-stub}}, so that the "Stub hierarchy" box in the template documentation shows the correct relationship? -- ἀνυπόδητος ( talk) 19:43, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
OK, that's perhaps an overdramatic way of describing a rather obscure complaint. However, many stub templates prevent articles appearing on
User:Mr.Z-man's excellent
tool for finding articles that lack images. The reason for this is that the tool looks up a database that records any usage of images in the article, not just Image: and File: but within templates and message boxes. This meant that pretty much any stub did not appear on lists generated by the tool, because it saw the picture in the stub template and assumed it depicted the subject of the article.
After I pointed this out, Z-man said that rewriting the code to use a different database wasn't really an option, but he has just changed the tool so that there's now an option to only look for JPEGs in articles. It's not perfect, but it works well enough as long as none of the stub templates contains a JPEG. I've been taking photos of central London lately, and found that just swapping JPGs for SVGs in the stub templates for London roads, structs and railway stations allowed >90% of articles without images to show up in Z-man's lists. However there is a long tail of other stub templates that can be placed on geotaggable articles, particularly in
Category:Building and structure stubs and more generally in
Category:Geography stubs.
Personally I find that JPG photos are usually unintelligible at the 30px size typical of stub templates, and I also think SVG cartoony images are better on style grounds for meta stuff like stub templates to contrast with the JPGs in the article content. The clincher has to be that it doesn't make much difference for stub purposes what the image is, but it makes a critical difference to a tool that helps make Wikipedia better. I'm not necessarily saying that someone should go out and change all the JPGs to SVGs immediately (although it would be nice, particularly on the members of
Category:Church stubs relevant to London <g> ) but it should be something to bear in mind when creating new stub templates.
Le Deluge (
talk) 11:38, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
You lot may be interested in an essay that I wrote: User:Alan Liefting/Essays/Stub categories are project categories. Cheers. -- Alan Liefting ( talk) - 09:51, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
Would it be OK to put the above Stub under Radio stations and Christianity, or if not which one should it go under? -- kathleen wright5 ( talk) 06:21, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
I've proposed some new album stub templates that will reach 60. I just need someone to make them. It's far past the required amount of time, but I've proposed new templates for these things multiple times in the past and they never happened because nobody stepped in. I'm not making an account just for this, but I will do all the work. I just would appreciate it if those templates were made. Thanks. 174.98.251.19 ( talk) 03:26, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
If an article has a sorted stub tag but no other categories, should it also have {{ Uncategorised}}? I argue that it shouldn't, as the stub tag puts it into a stub category which has a parent non-stub category so that the article is now within a category. I don't know whether there's chapter and verse on it one way or the other? PamD ( talk) 17:36, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
{{
Uncategorized stub}}
.
Jason Quinn (
talk) 16:58, 26 September 2010 (UTC)I don't often feel defeated by a stub, but can't think how to stub-sort Miss World 2011! Any ideas? PamD ( talk) 17:06, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
Just a heads up. I took the entire list of stub types by size found here, ignoring the small categories (60 and under, no subcategories). I've matched this up to the list of stub types found here. Anything that was not found, I have sorted in my own sandbox, and I am working on adding to this list. I'm trying to list everything in logical places, as much as possible, without double-listing much. I would appreciate another set of eyes looking in from time to time to make certain this list is being built appropriately. (Note: This task is partially a personally-enforced penance for building a number of stub categories without listing them on the stub types page.) Dawynn ( talk) 00:46, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
Hi, i'd like to add some new stub categories on italian wikipedia, but i didn't find the right way to do it. Someone can tell me if the procedure here indicated is valid for the others wiki too? Thanks a lot. Ciaurlec ( talk) 22:27, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
A few deprecated stub templates have just appeared again at WP:SFD, owing to confusion about the fact that deprecated non-stub templates are usually deleted. To remedy this, I've created {{ Stubdeprecated}}, to replace {{ Tdeprecated}} on deprecated stub templates, and an equivalent category ( Category:Deprecated stub templates), plus made a note at WP:DOT about why deprecated stub templates are usually jkept. Please have a look at them and make any necessary improvements! :) Grutness... wha? 00:01, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
I've found articles placed directly in
Category:Falls County, Texas stubs; and articles which are in there because they transclude {{
FallsCountyTX-geo-stub}}
. I have also found a template {{
FallsTX-geo-stub}}
which I believe duplicates the purpose of {{
FallsCountyTX-geo-stub}}
. What is the procedure to follow? --
Redrose64 (
talk) 18:43, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
Hi. I frequently come across stubs with largely varying image sizes from one another. Which is quite ugly. Why not have a fixed image size for all stubs, maybe 30x30px? Rehman( +) 13:54, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
Hmm. Why is it a bad idea to put up a strict rule to gave a 30x30 squared image on all stubs templates? Because, pages with multiple stub templates looks somewhat ugly ( example). Rehman( +) 00:22, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
I think that {{
Welsh-Academics}}
has been created improperly. --
Redrose64 (
talk) 15:27, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
Most stub articles I come across have more than one stub template. The main message of a stub template is to convey "this is a short article, please expand". So, taking this article as a random example, further stubs like {{ TyumenOblast-geo-stub}} and more may also qualify; all conveying the same "this is a short article, please expand".
Perhaps there should be a new rule on one stub per page? Instead of posting "this is a short building article, please expand", "this is a short structure article, please expand", "this is a short building in Japan article, please expand", it'll keep on going, all on the same page... Reh man 02:28, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
{{Stub|1= |2= |3= |4= }}
Where filling in the relevant subject name (i.e. Power station) in field 1, would give the power station stub notice. And for multiple stubs, the remaining three fields. We could also embed auto categorization or any other feature into it, including the lead image.
And if necessary, each type of stub could be given a unique ID (like {{ Wikipedia ads}}), which could be used for easy filling of the fields. Reh man 08:36, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
{{
Rail-station-stub}}
, which is for railway stations anywhere, and there is {{
UK-rail-stub}}
, which is for railway topics in the UK; and there is also {{
UK-railstation-stub}}
, which covers the overlap: railway stations in the UK.{{
Steam-loco-stub}}
, which is for steam locomotives anywhere, and there is {{
US-rail-stub}}
, which is for railroad topics in the USA; but there isn't a stub category which covers both with a single template; so, in the absence of that, an article on a steam locomotive in the USA should be given both templates. At some point, if we found that there were a significant number of articles with both of these, we might consider that a new template {{
US-steam-loco-stub}}
was desirable. --
Redrose64 (
talk) 13:38, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
I think this is an excellent suggestion by Rehman and would make the wikicode much clearer and neater. I can't see that it would cause any problems at all. After looking through the archives I found a reference to such a template. I have added a few tweaks and it is now called
Template:Multiple stub. It can be used in the following way: {{
Multiple stub|Ghana|Sport-bio|Business}}
produces the following
There is an ongoing discussion here regarding categorization of stub templates by topic. Comments and suggestions would be very much appreciated. Thank you, -- Black Falcon ( talk) 16:51, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
It appears that the formatting for {{shia-stub}} is busted somehow, as rather than categorising articles by Category:Shi'a Islam stubs it just straight categorises them as Shi'a Islam, so the stubs are cluttering up the parent category no matter how carefully they're sub-filed. Further, it's not linked in to the larger {islam-stub} network. I'm not totally sure how to correct this; suggestions? MatthewVanitas ( talk) 13:08, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Thanks, helps a lot in cleanup. I've left a message with the erring editor asking him to watch for that in the future. MatthewVanitas ( talk) 15:19, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
As part of an unrelated task, I've generated a list of attempts to transclude stub templates that do not exist. In all likelihood these represent a mix of typos and useful stub classes that have yet to be created. Alas, I haven;t the knowledge myself to sort through them. Are there any experts here who would care to have a go please ?
The list can be found at User:Topbanana/missing stubs
- TB ( talk) 14:13, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
Hi all - I've just created a new stub category header template - {{ Parent stub category}} - to replace the standard {{ Stub category}} in those categories which are intended to be parent-only (i.e., "holding categories" for subtypes which all have their own templates). Use (and amend if necessary) at will! Grutness... wha? 23:45, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
{{ England-actor-stub}} and {{ England-musician-stub}} have different size images - looks a mess at Ann Catley. Could someone who knows about these things fix whichever one is wrong? (But shouldn't music/actor icons be there as well or instead, anyway?) Thanks. PamD ( talk) 12:05, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
Category:Government biography stubs has no associated stub template.
Ole Jacob Bull bears redlinked template {{
Gov-bio-stub}}
. This template appears to be
linked from elsewhere, but doesn't seem to have been deleted: was it ever created? --
Redrose64 (
talk) 16:36, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
See {{
UK-rail-stub}}
, where beneath the heading "About this template", there is a stub hierarchy box with three rows. The box is generated by {{
Asbox/stubtree}}
, and most stub templates show just two rows here, the template itself and
Stub. How is the {{
Asbox/stubtree}}
in {{
UK-rail-stub}}
configured to show the extra row? It might be useful if others did this - for example, {{
Linebacker-1930s-stub}}
could show itself at the top, and beneath that,
Linebacker-stub,
Amfoot-bio-stub etc. --
Redrose64 (
talk) 14:48, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
{{
Hungary-tennis-bio-stub}}
- how is it done? --
Redrose64 (
talk) 17:53, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
Anyone like to explain this to me? The earlier version (as at oct 25) had a redlink to an existing stub template. I replaced it with an identical link and it became an operating link. I can't see any difference in the two links, so why did one work and not the other? Or is there an uncertainly paradox with stubs suddenly? Grutness... wha? 03:08, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
Back in 2009, Pegship created a template called {{ catupmerge}} for stub categories which are populated only by upmerged tags. I have moved it to a better name ({{ Upmerged stub category}}) and nominated the redirect for deletion at WP:Redirects for discussion/Log/2011 January 2#Template:Catupmerge. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 20:07, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
What's the current guideline/rule-of-thumb about linking to projectsb and help pages in stub templates? I thought we were largely against them... in which case, {{ academic-journal-stub}} may need amending. Thoughts? Grutness... wha? 01:08, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Should stub sorting be marked as a minor edit? Rchard2scout ( talk) 21:03, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
Feel free to participate in the discussion at Template talk:Cfd all#Should the tags for nominating categories to be renamed be purple in stead of pink?. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 08:27, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
Hi, notifying the project of a thread which I have raised at Wikipedia talk:HotCat#Stub categories. If anybody uses HotCat (I don't), please offer suggestions for helping with the issue. -- Redrose64 ( talk) 18:20, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
It seems to have been a long time since the category has been empty, so I'm proud to say that it is now... or was last time I looked. We've caught up with the flood of former {{ expand}} articles which have been tagged with {{ stub}}. Well done, to all of us who are actively sorting. And now I really must get on with the non-Wiki jobs I was going to do this morning ... I usually only aim at keeping the letter "P" in the listing empty, but the rest of the list was so short that I couldn't resist the challenge! PamD ( talk) 12:06, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
Hi folks - does anyone know what's going on with the de-linking of text in stub articles? It seems that User:Colonies Chris has started mass delinking of hundreds of templates. I don't remember that having been discussed here, and I would have thought that it was counterproductive. Grutness... wha? 22:28, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
{{
EastEngland-railstation-stub}}
- both of these are common terms and also terms which may occur in the main text of articles which bear this template (see
Category:East of England railway station stubs). But you also delinked
East of England, which is unlikely to occur anywhere in such articles; furthermore, it is not a common term. It has the appearance of a general term for that area of England which is on the right-hand side of a map; but it has a specific, legally defined meaning (follow the link to see exactly what), which we at
WP:UKRAIL have chosen as a suitable way of subdividing railway stations in England. A station in, say,
Lincolnshire, whilst in the east in a vague sort of way, is not in the
East of England - it is in the
East Midlands, and so stub articles on railway stations in Lincolnshire should bear {{
EastMidlands-railstation-stub}}
.Note: Colonies Chris is still actively removing these links. Is this regarded as (a) useful, (b) useless or (c) detrimental? There is currently a protected edit request to delink song in {{ song-stub}}. If anyone has an opinion on this please comment at Template talk:Song-stub. Thanks — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 08:41, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
There appears to be a problems with rail station stubs which have recently been sorted by region, by one user. Yesterday a new stub {{ Lincolnshire-railstation-stub}} appeared and was added to Lincolnshire stations in addition to the region stub. Is this what is meant to be happening? Keith D ( talk) 14:48, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
{{
EastEngland-railstation-stub}}
to {{
EastMidlands-railstation-stub}}
, I first went through
Category:East Midlands railway station stubs to make sure those were valid in their use of {{
EastMidlands-railstation-stub}}
, so that I wouldn't be piling good stuff upon cr*p. This took from 21:23 until 22:07 on 23 January 2011, with just eight articles amended.{{
EastEngland-railstation-stub}}
was valid. This took about two days, with dozens of fixes (some clown appeared to have used {{
EastEngland-railstation-stub}}
as a generic UK railway stub template, since I found stations in Brighton, the Isle of Sheppey, Warwickshire and the outskirts of Manchester and Doncaster all with this in error, also some lines and junctions which were not stations).{{
Lincolnshire-railstation-stub}}
- I've already dropped a note at
the creator's talk page. --
Redrose64 (
talk) 18:01, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
We seem to have problems with one editor redefining the use of {{ Dacia-stub}}. I've already had to revert his attachment of it to stub articles on museums in Romania, and other things which relate to Romanian history in general but not necessarily or specifically to Dacia. He also seems to be unable to understand that redirects are never marked with stub templates. When I brought these subjects up with him, he decided to rescope the Dacia-stub template in a way that was far more vague and covered a far larger subject area, so that it could be applied to articles not directly related to Dacia. I'd appreciate it if people kept a bit more of an eye on Dacia-stub and its usage for a while, to make sure that it's being used properly! Grutness... wha? 07:25, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
To quote your original proposal of the stub type: "I propose the creation of a category/template Category:Ancient Dacia stubs/{{Ancient-Dacia-stub}} under History by era or under Category:European history stubs/{{ Euro-hist-stub}}. There are many Dacia articles which are not fitting under the related Category:Romanian history stubs/{{ Romania-hist-stub}} or Category:Ancient Thrace stubs/{{ Ancient-Thrace-stub}} categories due to location or lack of connection, and would benefit from this stub/category. I am new to this and not sure how to count the amount of articles but as a contributor to Dacia-related pages, I can say I have seen more than 60, most of them poorly written or with limited content. The idea is to have them marked as a Dacia stub and distribute them to interested historians focused on Dacia/Dacology for contribution."
This seems to quite clearly state the aims you had for the stub template - to apply to articles which are specifically for Ancient Dacia and not coverable by a Romania-history-stub or Ancient-Thrace-stub. It was on these grounds that it was accepted as a stub type. As such, it is designed to complement the Romania-history-stub, and be used on articles which are not about Romanian history in general. Yet your complaints seem to relate to two articles which are specifically about Romanian history in general, and which are therefore more adequately and effectively covered by a Romania-history-stub - neither of which, it is worth noting, has a permanent category connected specifically with Dacia.
"Regarding redirects with {{ R with possibilities}}, this is a special case, where I believe an exception can be made to the rule of not adding stubs to redirects." No, it is not a special case. It is a redirect, and stub templates are never used on redirects. As I have explained to you, it makes no sense whatsoever to have a stub template on something which can and will not be expanded - and redirects cannot be expanded, only replaced by articles. If the section to which it redirects can be expanded, then let it be so - but that does not require a stub template, it requires and {{ expand-section}} stub. If the time comes when the section can bee broken out into its own article, then by that stage it will not be a stub. So there is simply no point in stubbing it. Furthermore, adding stub templates to redirects makes both the work of stub sorters and editors harder by clogging up categories designated for stubs. This makes it harder for editors to find specific articles to expand, and harder for tallying when stub categories are under- or oversized.
"The suggestion of using stubs is clearly made in the description of this special type of redirect and I believe you should treat it as an exception case in your stub sorting procedures." It is not stated as such in the template, the template's documentation, the template's talk page, or in the description of how to use redirects. And it is explicitly stated at WP:STUB that stub templates should not be used in cases like this.
"In the case of WP:DACIA, we make use of such redirects for ancient cities that redirect to the ancient history section of modern city (ex. Drobeta (ancient city), Napoca (ancient city) etc.) [...] Hence, we want to have the stubs there to mark that, invite collaborators and speed up the process. I believe these kind of scenarios were in the mind of those who created {{ R with possibilities}}" As explained before - and again, as explained at WP:STUB - you are confusing the role of stub templates and WikiProject-specific banner templates. Stubs are not specifically for the use of individual subject-specific WikiProjects - they are for use across the entirety of Wikipedia in as uniform a fashion as possible. If WikiProjects want to mark their articles - and their redirects - they use talk-page banner templates, which are more effective and versatile, as they can be used on a wide range of different pages and not just on stubs. That is what those templates are for! You already have and use such a template, {{ Ancient Dacia}}, and as far as your WP is concerned the stub template should be secondary to that. And I am certain that the people who created {{ R with possibilities}} were doing so to point out redirects which could possibly be turned into articles (which is, after all, what the template states that it is for), rather than suggesting that the redirects were stubs, which they are clearly not.
"Please refrain from removing our stubs until we at least clarify or ideally reach a consensus here. I think your sorting work is great, but please take in considerations the needs and views of specific projects." They are not "your" stubs. they are Wikipedia's as a whole, and form part of a unified system that should treat all stub types equally and uniformly. Specific projects are far better served with banner templates, which is why they should be used for marking any Dacia-related articles and pages, be they stubs, full articles, redirects, templates, or categories. I advise you again to read WP:STUB#Stub types, WikiProjects, and Assessment templates. Grutness... wha? 21:37, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
The geographic scope of this Wikiproject doesn't seem limited to Romania. The scope given is "Dacia (at Burebista's time) plus Moesia and Scythia Minor". That would include areas of Bulgaria, Hungary, the Republic of Macedonia, Moldova, Romania, Serbia and the Ukraine. I am not certain if the articles should even mention Dacians, since the Getae, the Moesi, and to a lesser extent the Thracians are of interest to the Wikiproject. Museums which cover related artifacts may or may not qualify. The scope doesn't mention them.
I fully agree on not marking common redirects as stubs. "stub", "start", "B", etch. are assesment evaluations of where an article currently stands. They should not serve as to do lists. "Non-article pages, such as disambiguation pages, categories, templates, talk pages, and redirects, are not regarded as stubs." Dimadick ( talk) 16:35, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
-- Codrin.B ( talk) 01:51, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
We have
Category:Asian painter stubs but there is no corresponding {{
Asia-painter-stub}}
. Not all Asian countries have their own stub template (i.e. India has {{
India-painter-stub}}
but Sri Lanka does not have {{
SriLanka-painter-stub}}
, so I've ended up with the rather kludgy pair of stub templates at the bottom of
Solias Mendis). Is the lack of a generic {{
Asia-painter-stub}}
an oversight, or was it a deliberate omission? --
Redrose64 (
talk) 15:33, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Two thoughts:
1) I think it would make sense to redirect Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals to this talk page. The other page isn't used much - and when it is it's often incorrectly used to propose stub articles. Mostly the same people watch both pages, so are there any objections? I've made the same suggestion at that page, BTW. It might also be worth considering the same thing with the Discoveries talk page, though that does at least get a reasonable amount of comments.
2) Some tim in the next couple of months we should have a think - and a discussion with WP:WikiProject Sudan - about splitting the stubs for that nation into its two new constituent parts. This can wait a while, especially since no-one is certain what the new country is going to be called, but it's justy a general heads-up that we'll need to do something about the stubs for it. Grutness... wha? 00:25, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
When separating countries into continents, what is the current accepted standard? Are we going with the United Nations geoscheme? Or something else?
I realize this can vary under certain conditions. For instance, I know that the association football categories prefer to delineate according to the ruling football organizations (which put Australia in Asia, and Isreal in Europe, amongst other oddities). But, in general, what is the standard?
Examples of concerns:
Before I make any changes, I just wanted some clear direction on where the community wants to go. Dawynn ( talk) 13:18, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
Can anyone point me to news related to auto-categorization in wikipedia? I'm meaning the feature that, when we move a template to a new category, will automatically move all the associated articles to the new category. This was shut off or broken with the software upgrade last month and has not been turned back on / fixed. Dawynn ( talk) 12:59, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
In October, I mentioned Wikipedia:Database reports/Stubs included directly in stub categories. I started working through this list on 9 June 2010 (when there were 2339 entries), and since then, I've fixed up almost everything from G to S, whilst others have covered A to F and T to Z. I believe that the list generated 13 February 2011 is now clear, so I've asked MZMcBride ( talk · contribs) (the operator of BernsteinBot ( talk · contribs)) to run the report as a special job, to see what, if anything, is left. -- Redrose64 ( talk) 21:41, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
The special run has recently (13:46, 02 March 2011) been completed, and there are
83 entries on it. Since most, if not all, will have been edited in the last two/three weeks to add the stub cat directly, the action should be fresh in the mind of the editors concerned, so we can judiciously serve out some {{
Uw-directcat}}
. If it was added by HotCat, there's a thread at
WT:HotCat#Stub categories that we can complain at. --
Redrose64 (
talk) 16:46, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
I've been having a discussion with another member of the team as to how subcategories should be listed within a category. We were discussing basically two patterns, both of which I've seen used. I'm just wondering if there is some concensus as to what is perceived as the best way to do things. For ease of future discussion, I'm going to give them a couple names here.
It's understood that, on both of these methods, we may alter the alphabetization rules as need arises. For example, "Hungarian botanist stubs" may be listed in the 'B' subcategories (for Botanist) on a "Hungarian scientist stubs" page, while being listed in the 'H' subcategories on a "Botanist stubs" page.
The main question here is whether we have or whether we want to set any kind of project standard for how subcategories should be listed. Thank you all in advance for your input. Dawynn ( talk) 16:04, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
If the purpose of piping everything to the first page of the listing is so that it's all visible immediately, there are other ways of achieving that goal, such as adding the {{ Category tree}} box to the category page. (And that one has the advantage that it's not only visible on the first page.) I realise that the piping habit probably started before things like that were available, but there's no good reason – unless "it's already been done that way on most of the pages" is a good reason – to keep on doing it. — Paul A ( talk) 07:14, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
Therefore, the need to sort stub cats under " " or "*" when placed in other stub cats is somewhat reduced. See, for example, Category:History stubs where Category:Romanian history stubs is sorted under "R" yet appears on the first page, and all those sorted under " " or "*" appear on the page beginning at "R". -- Redrose64 ( talk) 20:22, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
Does anyone know of an existing search tool that could find templates that are either missing a specific parameter, or where said parameter is present but has no value?
I'd like to be able to search for all {{ Stub category}} templates that have nothing in the newstub parameter -- since this should either be filled in or the template should be converted to {{ Parent-only stub category}}. I'd also like to search for all {{ Stub category}}, {{ Parent-only stub category}} and {{ Regional stub category}} templates that have nothing in the category parameter, as we should be trying to fill all of these in.
Dawynn ( talk) 15:17, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
|line=
parameter in {{
Infobox UK disused station}}
. If you like, I'll sandbox something at
Template:Stub category/sandbox. --
Redrose64 (
talk) 15:47, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
{{
stub category}}
when I typed the above. I have now looked, and it seems that this is already set up, although not in the way that I would have done it; the feature was added with these edits:
1 (missing |category=
);
2 (missing |newstub=
). Rather than explain it here, I've added it to the documentation at
Template:Stub category/doc#Missing parameters.|category=
in {{
Parent-only stub category}}
and {{
Regional stub category}}
, this isn't checked, although it could be. The question then is, do you want to use the same method that
Od Mishehu (
talk ·
contribs) used, or my method?{{
regional stub category}}
into line with {{
stub category}}
by the simple expedient of checking which parameters the latter recognises and making sure that they're all passed straight through unchanged (two weren't: |category type=
and |WikiProject=
). I've also linked {{
regional stub category}}
to
template:stub category/doc and in doing so made the doc page amend itself slightly depending upon the template it's being viewed in.{{
parent-only stub category}}
yet: we might want to wait for input from
Grutness (
talk ·
contribs), who wrote it. --
Redrose64 (
talk) 21:57, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
{{
Parent-only stub category}}
, see
its documentation. It may take an hour or so to fully populate the "What links here" pages. --
Redrose64 (
talk) 23:31, 19 March 2011 (UTC)Should {{ encyclopedia-stub}} be under the category of Culture or Miscellaneous? I tried finding it in Culture and Miscellaneous; no sign of this stub template. -- Gh87 ( talk) 09:14, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
Hello. Category:Slovakian sport stubs should be renamed to "Slovak sport stubs", to reflect the common usage of adjective "Slovak" in other categories throughout WP. - Darwinek ( talk) 10:26, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
I've noticed that Fry1989 ( talk · contribs) has been increasing the size of images from 30px to 60px or greater (120px in one case); is this alright? I think this makes them too big to cooperate with other stub templates and leaves alot of undesirable whitespace above and below the stub description when sandwiching multiple stub templates together. I tried to revert Template:Comoros-geo-stub, but he restored the very large image. Atleast one other editor has reverted Fry1989 besides myself on some stub templates, so I don't think I'm alone in supposing this is excessively large decoration. 65.93.12.101 ( talk) 10:45, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
image
is used and this image requires a size different from the default maximum of 40x30 pixels. (Note that in the interests of standardising the formats of stub messages, images of size 40x30 are much preferred.)More people commenting are needed at WP:SFD. Often, nominations are being closed with only the nominator commenting, or being left open through one nomination comment and one opposing comment cancelling each other out with no consensus being reached. Personally, I don't care whether the comments are in support or opposing the nominations in each case - it would just be easier to reach consensus on some of the nominations if there was more comment. Anyone? Grutness... wha? 23:13, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub removal. Thank you. -- Klein zach 01:49, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
INDIAN YOUTH PARTY is a political party with its headquarter at Lucknow, Uttar Pradesh. INDIAN YOUTH PARTY bears true faith and allegiance to the constitution of India as by law established and to the principal of socialism, secularism and democracy and would uphold the sovereignty, unity and integrity of India.
The flag of party is tricolor with saffron on top, white at the middle and green at bottom. The flag is one and halftimes to its width. The loin is printed boldly in black color on the white portion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.162.217.131 ( talk) 17:31, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
I want to create a new stub about a travel company called Sri Lanka In Style. Does anyone have any advice about how to do this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.43.2.234 ( talk) 06:54, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
(Crossposted from WT:SFD)
A suggestion for WP:SFD. We don't normally re-list nominations - they just hang around at the bottom of the page until someone gets fed up with them and closes them. I'd like to propose the following:
Most of the time, clarity of action - if not always consensus - is reached. In other cases, such as the current US-history-book-stub discussion, they can hand around unresolved for a long time. Hopefully this will keep the ball rolling on a couple of items every now and again. Grutness... wha? 22:17, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
Template:Small-village-of-about-1,000-inhabitants-in-Kent-stub seems to be quite off the wall but I can't quite work out what to do with it - TfD or just mention it here and hope that someone will leap in and sort it out? PamD ( talk) 13:19, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
Should stub templates that correspond to stub categories which have been upmerged be listed in the various 'Stub types' lists? If so, how? For an example, see the Posavina Canton geography stub category or the multiple red-linked Silesian geography stub types (scroll down a bit), which were upmerged due to being underpopulated. -- Black Falcon ( talk) 03:55, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
Template:Red-dwarf-stub refers to the hundreds of articles that have to do with red or orange dwarfs. I have a list of red dwarf stubs on the wiki page. Let me know when we can use the red dwarf template. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clammybells ( talk • contribs) 11:33, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
How do I stub-sort an Irish restaurant? See Category:European restaurant stubs which doesn't help - it forbids me putting it into that category, but none of the 3 subcategories are relevant. It seems ridiculous to just use {{ restaurant-stub}} undivided. Maybe it's too early in the morning, but I just can't think what to do with this. PamD ( talk) 07:39, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
{{
Ireland-org-stub}}
or {{
Ireland-struct-stub}}
together with {{
restaurant-stub}}
. It's kind of a half-assed solution I know. --
Redrose64 (
talk) 12:12, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
It's been quite a while since the category has been empty, but it is now - congratulations to all of us for gettting through a lot of stubs lately. PamD ( talk) 09:28, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
I've noticed something over the last few days. Previously, stub categories had been categorized in the permcats under the greek 'µ' character. Now, they still get listed at the end of the categories, but under a capital 'M'. How do we fix this? Dawynn ( talk) 12:33, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
Not sure why, but we've suddenly acquired two new subpages for {{ Stub category}}: {{ Stub category/testcases}} and {{ Stub category/sandbox}}. I've asked the creator of them to comment here as to their usage, but given the different ways in which the cateory is already in use, I doubt we really need these - or if we do, don't really see why one subpage couldn't be used to serve both purposes (what is a sandbox other than a place to experiment with test cases?). Grutness... wha? 02:06, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
Is there any need to list all the past proposals (certainly any that are more than a month old)? Huge lag when this page loads. Lugnuts ( talk) 19:44, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
I've created Template:Kerry-GAA-club-stub but it's not showing the stub hierarchy correctly. Any ideas? Gnevin ( talk) 23:47, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
I see that the proposal archive page had not been updated for some time. Is this simply because no one had the time, or is there some other reason why the updates stopped? I put up a June 2009 archive list, but figured I'd check before I went too far with this. Feel free to add any feedback on how I handled the June 2009 archive. Dawynn ( talk) 18:15, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
In case you - like me - are sometimes disheartened by the seemingly endless number of undersized stub cats which need upmerging or oversized cats which need splitting, this graphic may cheer you up. Using the 9 March data at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Stub type sizes, I made a graph showing approximately how many stub cats there are of different sizes. Only the red areas on the graph definitely need work: the lower yellow area contains cats which might need looking at - undersized, but either passably populated, or with a WikiProject, or with enough subcategories to warrant keeping them - the upper yellow area is those which are closing in on the upper limit before splitting. The vast bulk of the categories are within our " Goldilocks zone" of 60-800 stubs. Of course, the remaining small fraction is still 1600 of the 11,000 stub categories... Grutness... wha? 23:12, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
I'm currently trying to bring the archive up to date. Could someone please review Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/2009/September? There are two discussions that I didn't close, because there didn't seem to be a true concensus. Can someone else please provide a final decision on the remaining open discussions? Dawynn ( talk) 12:34, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
Related: Could someone more familiar than I am with stub sorting close the remaining few discussions at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/2010/May so the backlog tag can be removed? Thanks! – Drilnoth ( T/ C) 15:17, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
Why are we using so many different stub templates? Wouldn't using {{
stub}} with an unnamed parameter to specify the type be better, and more consistent with the rest of the wiki? E.g., {{Stub|Bombus}}
would do the same thing as {{Bombus-stub}}
. It wouldn't be very hard to code, and then things could be done by bot or redirects to update previous uses. –
Drilnoth (
T/
C) 15:21, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
{{Stub|Bombus}}
. Much cleaner than using so many template visibly, and no giant switch. Anyways, 'twas just a thought. If people are happy with the overabundance of templates as things stand, I don't really care either way. –
Drilnoth (
T/
C) 20:09, 12 July 2011 (UTC)Currently, when categorizing stub categories in their stub parents, we prefix either a space or an astertisk (*) to the category name. We originally did this in order that the subcategories would all show up on the first page; however, now they show up on every page, making it unnecessary. I think that we should:
עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 09:56, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
I would appreciate others to review / improve new template {{ WSSProposalArchive}}.
I created this new template for navigation of the Proposal Archives. I will soon be starting the 2010 archives, and the template did not exist previously (navigation menu previously recreated on each individual archive page). I have updated the existing proposal archive pages to use this template. However, if someone else has better ideas as to the syntax / layout / etc, please feel free to improve it. Dawynn ( talk) 13:45, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
{{ catupmerge}} was a template originally created by Pegship, until about half a year ago I moved it to a better name, {{ upmerged stub category}}. I was thinking that since the new name is more descriptive of what this template is for, that we should maybe list it at Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/Template redirects - this means that any time any user tries to edit a category with a {{ catupmerge}} tag on it using AWB, AWB will automaticly add this replacement to the edit. This doesn't mean that anyone will edit the pages for the purpose of handling this tag; only that should anyone do an AWB edit, they probably will end up doing this. Any opinions on this issue? עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 07:05, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
Currently, a hidden navbar is generated on each of our 1.5 million stubs. To see the navbar, an editor must modify his/her own .css file. Currently, we have 5 editors who have done this. There is some discussion at Template talk:Asbox#Why the navbar ? about this feature. - TB ( talk) 08:21, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
There are several open requests for editing protected biography stub templates ( example), all asking the removal of wikilinks to the word 'biography' and to the name of the subject's country. The argument repeated in each are that 'biography' is a common word that requires no link, and the subject's country is likely to already be linked somewhere in the article body. These requests seem reasonable, but since there were several and I know the individual stub templates will not have many watchers, I wanted to raise the issue here to make sure there are no objections prior to acting on the edit requests. If there is consensus to remove these links, it might be better to sweep all the bio stubs at once rather than editors making separate requests for each one. -- RL0919 ( talk) 16:41, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
This is dragging on. The central issue seems to be on the interpretation of WP:OVERLINK. The talk page for that ( Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (linking)) concerns amendments to that page, not interpretations of it: so, since it's largely a policy matter, I have requested assistance at WP:VPP#Overlinking in templates. -- Redrose64 ( talk) 15:08, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
Feel free to discuss this at Wikipedia talk:Stub types for deletion#Use AWB to gradually reduce the use of moved stub tags?. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 11:08, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
I noticed that {{BritishColumbia-politician-stub}} had been replaced by {{BritishColumbia-mayor-stub}} for Robert Dickinson (British Columbia politician) and William James Armstrong as the result of stub sorting. Both of those individuals are mayors but they are also Members of the Legislative Assembly (MLAs) of British Columbia, provincial level politicians.
How to mark an article as a stub says "If an article overlaps several stub categories, more than one template may be used, but it is strongly recommended that only those relating to the subject's main notability be used". One might argue that there is more notability associated with being an MLA compared to being a mayor, and, therefore, with {{BritishColumbia-politician-stub}} compared to the more specific {{BritishColumbia-mayor-stub}} since all MLAs are politicians but all are not necessarily mayors. So, is using a more specific stub appropriate in such cases? -- Big_iron ( talk) 09:15, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
There are now about 40 articles that are tagged with Template:Israel-artist-stub. Is that enough to justify their own stub category, Israeli artist stubs? (At the moment the stub template lumps them into the broader category artist-stubs). Colonies Chris ( talk) 10:53, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
99.194.217.121 ( talk) 02:49, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
Please discuss the feasibility of this idea:
It would be *nice* (although, potentially difficult) to have a periodic list of all templates that pass the following criteria:
This report would list templates that are ripe for splitting into categories of their own. Dawynn ( talk) 18:15, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
Problem. Not sure how Wikipedia does everything behind the scenes, but it seems to sometimes credit articles tagged to redirects to both the redirect and the true template. Which means that a simple add function will produce an inflated count. Not sure how to work around that, but feel free to review {{ oceania-hotel-stub}} as an example. Dawynn ( talk) 18:46, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
I have made a number of changes, based on these reports. I'd like to see them run again, when you have a chance. (Even if the count issue is not fixed) Dawynn ( talk) 12:44, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
Remind me: can a list be a stub, or not? An editor/bot has recently tagged a whole lot of lists as stubs: I had thought that a list could not be a stub, but can't find chapter and verse to support this and am suddenly wondering. Pam D 14:38, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
File:Example.jpgVipul Pratap Singh was born in 24 May 1984 and is the elder child of smt.Vijay Laxmi and Shri.R.B.Atal(doctor). She spent her early childhood at the Lucknow
Career He had completed bachelor in pharmacy from "UPTU" Uttar pradesh jhansi.after completion of cource completed Pharma management and administration degree After completed research training in clinical trail where they learn the clinical pathological remedies.now day he is working in ORGANIC INDIA as executive scientist -- 223.189.100.138 ( talk) 18:29, 17 September 2011 (UTC)www.vipulhealthclub.spruz.com
The Europe rail transport stub does not work. Neither "Europe-rail-stub" or "Europe-rail-transport-stub" as given in the stub article work; I tried to use both for ASVi museum. Hugo999 ( talk) 22:27, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
Not too familiar with stub creation process so I wonder if someone could kindly add {{ Scotland-Olympic-medalist-stub}} to your discovery page. Created by Mais oui! ( talk · contribs) without recourse to Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals, it needs careful consideration as Scotland is not an Olympic nation. Tim! ( talk) 07:18, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
United States Army, SFC Retired — Preceding unsigned comment added by Girard01 ( talk • contribs) 20:20, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Stub type sizes provides a monthly list of all stub categories. Where could one find a list of all stub templates? 216.188.204.25 ( talk) 12:42, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
Nevermind. Found what I was looking for: Category:Stub message boxes. 216.188.204.25 ( talk) 16:57, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
United States Army, SFC Retired — Preceding unsigned comment added by Girard01 ( talk • contribs) 20:20, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Stub type sizes provides a monthly list of all stub categories. Where could one find a list of all stub templates? 216.188.204.25 ( talk) 12:42, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
Nevermind. Found what I was looking for: Category:Stub message boxes. 216.188.204.25 ( talk) 16:57, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
We have {{
Italy-music-bio-stub}}
, which categorises into both
Category:Italian people stubs and
Category:Music biography stubs; and we have {{
Italy-musician-stub}}
, which categorises into
Category:Italian musician stubs. Is there some subtle distinction that should be noted on the relevant cat pages? --
Redrose64 (
talk) 18:16, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
See template:Nuclide-stub. -- Redrose64 ( talk) 12:01, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
Hi! Can someone tell me whether there is a minimum size for stub categories below which {{ popstub}} is added? I always thought it was 30, but I can't find the relevant page. The template was recently added to Category:Systemic hormonal preparation stubs (after I had removed it) which has 48 entries. I think it's unlikely that more than a couple of additional articles will turn up in the near future. Thanks -- ἀνυπόδητος ( talk) 10:11, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
Please see this discussion. Its an August discussion that needs clarification of a typo before closing the discussion. Dawynn ( talk) 18:51, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
The stub category has been full of entries for a good month, not least since a particular editor had a blitz of creating stubs (consisting largely of a scatter of google hits) in early December. But the category is now empty - User:KConWiki did a blitz overnight and I finished it off just now. It won't stay empty for long but will be less dispiriting now that we've sorted all of that batch of well-intended trash. Pam D 10:12, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
We could really use an administrator to come help clear the Deletion log. We have requests dating back to November that need a final decision and processing. Dawynn ( talk) 15:09, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
Could someone please review the logic behind Category:Stub message boxes needing attention? There are several templates marked as either containing Non-existent categories, or Category names that don't end with Stubs. These seem to be misflagged, as the templates do not reflect either of these issues. (The Broken image tags all seem correct, and I've been correcting those) Dawynn ( talk) 11:55, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
stubs
which causes one extra character to be counted, so that the technique
Hey, I recently came across the Libya-judo-bio-stub, and I was wondering why it even exists? It is only on one page, and from what I can tell, that isn't going to change any time soon. Putting the under the Libya-sport-bio-stub category would seem to make more sense, seeing as there are only twenty in that stub category it isn't overly large. I was just wondering if there was another reason for it to exist. Thanks in advance! Jeancey ( talk) 20:41, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
{{
Libya-sport-bio-stub}}
be better? Why not {{
Africa-judo-bio-stub}}
instead? The person fits both, after all. The template {{
Libya-judo-bio-stub}}
covers the
intersection of those, and I imagine that it was created for that very reason - to avoid the need to put both {{
Africa-judo-bio-stub}}
and {{
Libya-sport-bio-stub}}
onto articles. Although there is only one current use, the template was created in 2008, when there may have been many more than one candidate for its use. --
Redrose64 (
talk) 21:32, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
While I understand that ROC-related stubs are most likely going to be taken care of by Taiwan-based editors or editors interested in Taiwan-related topics, it is going to be problematic to have 'Taiwan' shown in articles unrelated to Taiwan, and it possibly violates existing NPOV policies which stipulate that 'Republic of China' should be used for anything related to the ROC yet unrelated to Taiwan. These include geo-stubs and road-stubs related to locations on Kinmen, Matsu, Wuchiu, Pratas, bio-stubs related to ROC generals and marshals who have never set foot on Taiwan, university-stubs for universities that were not re-established in Taiwan after 1949, and so on and so forth. Should this be solved by having a separate set of ROC-something-stub templates, or by adding an option in the Taiwan-something stub templates so that 'Republic of China' instead of 'Taiwan' will be shown in the tagged articles? 203.98.184.99 ( talk) 16:10, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
From the look of Tree planting bar, either {{ forestry-stub}} or {{ tool-stub}} has something the matter with their spacing - there's a gap between the two as displayed. Someone might like to take a look and fix one of them? Thanks. Pam D 14:04, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
The WikiProject Report would like to focus on WikiProject Stub Sorting for a Signpost article. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, here are the questions for the interview. Just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Multiple editors will have an opportunity to respond to the interview questions. If you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please share this with them. Have a great day. - Mabeenot ( talk) 23:40, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
Typing {{England-Test-cricket-bio-stub}} produces a Category called "England Test Crickter stubs", which is apparently on 141 different articles. Whether we need such a category (no other cricketing nation has such a stub category) is one point; more obviously, we should spell "cricketer" correctly. When I tried to make this do that, it spat it back at me, so I've brought it here. Johnlp ( talk) 08:49, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
Could someone please look into how this page is generated? I noticed, even on the first day it was posted, several of the page counts seemed to be way off (more significantly than would occur through normal editing). In fact, the first two categories listed have negative article counts. Dawynn ( talk) 12:27, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
Please add the "category type" and "WikiProject" parameters to template {{ Parent-only stub category}} to bring it in line with the main {{ Stub category}} template. Dawynn ( talk) 23:02, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
{{ Illinois-geo-stub}} seems unseemly large. The current picture (changed in June 2011 to the current one) leaves a huge amount of whitespace.
See this triple instance:
76.65.128.198 ( talk) 11:52, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
All articles tagged with the folliowing 3 stubs end up in the same (too large) stub category:
Just wondering why that is. Thanks in advance Ottawahitech ( talk) 23:43, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
I don't think we have ever created a category about living people who live in a particular area. That's too high maintenance. Even the non-stub categories don't keep track of where living people are residing. But, based on this conversation, I started to fill out the {{ Washington-bio-stub}}, and found that the topic was greatly undersorted. There is now a Category:Washington (state) people stubs. I based my tagging on people born in the state of Washington. There is also a sub-category about Washington politicians, which I'm sure is based more on whether the politician represented the state of Washington, regardless of where the person was born. Dawynn ( talk) 10:40, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
I'm trying to find the source of the scope guideline of 60 articles for a stub. I realize the number has to be set somewhere, but how was 60 met, and are there exceptions? For example, Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting lists Category:Virginia geography stubs in Category:Overpopulated stub categories. Virginia has 95 counties and 40 independent cities that are essentially the same as counties, thus there could be 135 stubs. Only 17 have over the 50-page deletion guideline. That leaves 118 potential categories that are instead merged into the parent category of Virginia geography stubs. Say each of those stubs has only 10 associated articles, that would mean 1,180 pages going into Category:Virginia geography stubs. Another example of a category desperately in need of subcats is Category:United States history stubs with 623 pages, plus subcategories for US history books, US military history, and Old West. That category has everything from colonial settlements to Cold War tactics. My interest is in working on those stubs pertaining to the American Founding. I don't recognize on sight every article that touches on that time period, and with 623 it's time-consuming to click every link.
WP:DIFFUSE does not give a limit to the size of categories, leaving only the guidance on the banner, "subcategories may be helpful for browsing." If we are ok with Virginia geography stubs having 800 plus articles, that's cool with me. Category:American films has over 24,000 pages, but it also has 21 subcategories to help navigation. Leaving 800 pages in Virginia geography stubs does not make it easy for someone who might want to expand related articles. Say an editor wants to expand articles related to {cl|Spotsylvania County, Virginia geography stubs}}, 39 page listings will get lost among 800.
One possibility is to break up the county stubs into categories for region, which is partially in place. Still Category:Northern Virginia geography stubs has only 106 pages, while Category:Southwest Virginia geography stubs has 294. Also, those counties in the regional categories Would an exception be advantageous to editors in cases where stub categories have high cumulative article count? When a stub category has a large and wide variety of pages, there needs to a better system of identifying what those stubs really are. Cheers. Encycloshave ( talk) 19:14, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
{{
verylargestub}}
template on it. These are added manually,
as here. --
Redrose64 (
talk) 20:26, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
There is discussion at Wikipedia_talk:HotCat#Hotcat_putting_cats_in_wrong_place_.28below_not_above_stub.29. Pam D 23:36, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
Stub categories were sorted under µ in [3] in 2005. µ was chosen at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Stub sorting/Archive 6#Very unhappy with over promotion of stub-categories with the rationale: How about using µ, as in "micro-articles"? Quote from Micro: "More generally, the prefix means 'very small'. However, a change in the category software means that lower case letters in other alphabets are now displayed as upper case in category headings. The lower case Greek µ is displayed as the upper case Greek version Μ which looks like a Latin M. See for example Category:Sport in Serbia. The Greek Μ sorts after the Latin letters but it's confusing that it looks like the Latin letter, and the association with micro is lost. In fact the Latin M means mega- which signals the opposite of stubs. Here are some links showing the confusion with the Latin letter: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Stub sorting/Archive 16#Categorization of stub categories, Template talk:Stub category#Sorting, Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Wayward letter heading on category page. I think the character should be changed to something still sorting after Latin letters but not looking like a Latin letter. I suggest Σ ( sigma) because it carries the 'S' sound as in stub. Σ is used for summation in mathematics. It can be discussed whether this association is good or bad, but most people probably don't know that meaning anyway. PrimeHunter ( talk) 13:23, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
{{
other}}
has to do with this. --
Redrose64 (
talk) 16:47, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
{{DEFAULTSORT:Liberty Head Nickel}}
(as seen on
Liberty Head nickel) would not be required. An effect of this was that sortkeys beginning "a", "b" and "c" would now sort with "A", "B" and "C" instead of after "X", "Y" and "Z" as previous. This means that 26 letter headings are now needed for Latin letters, instead of 52. Greek letters always sorted after Latin, and suffered from the same problem: "
α", "
β" and "
γ" sorted after "
Χ" "
Ψ" "
Ω", but now sort with "
Α" "
Β" "
Γ". The databases took several days to rebuild, which is why the initial problems described at
Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 87#categorically random categories appeared. It was known at the time that its effects would be irreversible, so no, it's not going to be changed back. --
Redrose64 (
talk) 13:56, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
See this version of Jennifer McLagan for problem stub format for {{ chef-bio-stub}}. Same effect from {{ food-bio-stub}}. Haven't tried {{ drink-bio-stub}}, the third of the batch listed at Category:Food and drink biography stubs, but I suspect it's the same. Could someone who knows about format of stub templates have a look at these? Thanks. Pam D 09:59, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
{{
Canada-writer-stub}}
. This template had blank lines between the }}
and the <noinclude>
- it's not always appreciated that the <noinclude>...</noinclude>
part is stripped after the template is transcluded - so those blank lines remain in place. It's a common problem which is easily fixed -
see here. --
Redrose64 (
talk) 14:21, 19 March 2012 (UTC)I'm new to Wikipedia. I'm interested in adding stub tags to pages in Spanish Wikipedia, and I haven't found the way to do it.
Then I found the following, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Stub, saying that "stubs are supposed to be recognized by the user" in Spanish pages without any notice.
I don't agree, and I'm interested in adding stub notices, probably with a differently worded template, to articles in Spanish.
-- Tender prey ( talk) 11:39, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
{{
editprotected}}
It has been suggested that stub categories should be hidden. Please comment at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 April 6#Category:Stub categories. -- Redrose64 ( talk) 10:14, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
Sorry if this is a stupid question, but I couldn't find an answer in any of the usual places. What are the rules/conventions on closing stub sorting discussions? How long should you wait, for speedy and for non-speedy? Is it different for proposals vs deletions vs discoveries? Should you be an admin or some other role? Is closing your own nominations frowned on, encouraged following consensus, or neither? -- Qetuth ( talk) 22:58, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
This does seem to be something that the proposal page should address. I was wondering about the procedure myself. Step 5 5 days after listing it here, if there is general approval or no objection, go ahead and create the new category and/or template following the format on Wikipedia:Stub. List the new stub type on the stub types list in an appropriate section. If consensus is not clear, or discussion is still ongoing, the proposal will remain open until consensus can be reached. That last sentence provides little guidance where there is no comment at all. With regard to who does or should do the closing, comments at Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions#Who can close requested moves may be well advised. -- Bejnar ( talk) 01:50, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
I've just stub-sorted Al-Sadiqiyyah High School and note that we have a lot of African school templates but not yet one for Tunisia. I was about to try and create one modelled on {{ Libya-school-stub}} etc, but was reminded by the message there that "Please propose new stub templates and categories here before creation.", linking to Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals, which then talks only about proposing new stub categories. So I'm not clear what the procedure is for proposing a new stub template in an existing pattern of such templates. Advice, please! Pam D 17:00, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
{{
Tunisia-school-stub}}
. New categories may be ignored if you like; the stub template is likely to be set up to categorise under both
Category:African school stubs and
Category:Tunisia stubs. If there are a large number of suitable articles, we might create a special category as was done for
Category:South African school stubs. --
Redrose64 (
talk) 18:57, 13 April 2012 (UTC)Hello! I'm a wikipedian and I also do some edit in Chinese Wikipedia. I think the template {{ stub}} should be improved. In Chinese Wikipedia, there's a picture in that template. I think it's a really good idea for readers to distinguish this template from other words. However, there's no photos like that in that of English Wikipedia! As a result, I think wikipedians who has the power to edit protected pages should add a similar picture in that template. -- Jack No1 ( talk) 15:38, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
OK, maybe you're right. Different Wikipedia have different policy. -- Jack No1 ( talk) 05:39, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
A new report has been created, it is Wikipedia:Database reports/Dubious stub categories. Comments, suggestions etc. should initially be made at User talk:MZMcBride#Sidenote. Pending potential refinement, I've not carried out any action based on the report output. -- Redrose64 ( talk) 12:07, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
See
Wikipedia:Bot requests#Bot for Women.27s History project stubs. All the best.
Rich
Farmbrough, 02:12, 6 May 2012 (UTC).(Using some automation)
Need someone with experience with auto-generated reports to investigate. This report did not refresh for January:
Can we please correct the issue so that we can get back to monthly updates? Dawynn ( talk) 10:57, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
Would it be worth splitting out
and maybe
Rich
Farmbrough, 02:25, 6 May 2012 (UTC).(Using some automation)
Feel free to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Stub types for deletion#Do we really need this deletion discussion category?. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 12:58, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
Are there any tools that would let us mass-update a list of articles? Could come in real helpful, especially when trying to tackle some of these overpopulated categories. Would be nice to have a tool that could take a provided list of articles, and search for a specified text sequence, and replace it with a different text sequence. Current example in Category:Beetle stubs. For every article that starts with "Mordellistina" (I could fairly easily drop them to a text list), change all occurrences of "[[Category:Mordellidae]]" to "[[Category:Mordellistena]]" and all occurrences of "{{beetle-stub}}" to "{{Mordellistena-stub}}". This is just one example. I'm certain such a tool would have many, many uses. Dawynn ( talk) 20:47, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
Category:WikiProject Motorcycling stubs has 2 members;
Category:Motorcycle stubs has 663 members. Those in
Category:Motorcycle stubs are also in
Category:WikiProject Motorcycling stubs because of the way that {{
Motorcycle-stub}}
is constructed. Thoughts? --
Redrose64 (
talk) 18:30, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
[[Category:WikiProject Motorcycling stubs]]
out of {{
Motorcycle-stub}}
and add it to
Category:Motorcycle stubs. That will make
Category:Motorcycle stubs into a sub-cat of
Category:WikiProject Motorcycling stubs --
Redrose64 (
talk) 09:24, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
I think I'm feeling a sense of deja vu after reading the previous post. My questions are along the same line.
{{
2010s-sf-novel-stub}}
is transcluded 10 times, so it's not yet used widely enough to warrant a dedicated sub-cat. However, the possibility that more sf novels will be written between now and 2019 is quite high, so this number is likely to increase. When it gets to about 60 or so, all we should need to do is amend the |category=
and |category1=
parameters in {{
2010s-sf-novel-stub}}
and create the category.{{
sf-novel-stub}}
, and no decade-specific stub templates, it's more difficult to assess which decades may be required. Under such a system, if we do decide to create the sub-cat, we also need to create the new stub template, and put it onto 60+ articles in replacement of {{
sf-novel-stub}}
. This will be 62+ edits, as opposed to the two required by the present system. --
Redrose64 (
talk) 20:44, 12 July 2012 (UTC)In the course of closing a recent discussion at WP:CFD, I came across Template:Buddhist-temple-stub and two questions which I could not answer:
Thank you, -- Black Falcon ( talk) 03:41, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
Several templates associated with the WP:SFD and WP:WSS/D processses have been nominated for deletion, see Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2012 July 24#Template:Sfd top. -- Redrose64 ( talk) 15:40, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
I have found a lot of articles that are listed as Stubs either for a project or with a stub tag that to me are not stubs. One example is Chinquapin Airport. This to me looks like a start class article but before I start changing them en masse and what could easily turn into an editing dispute I was hoping for some clarification. Would this type of article with an infobox, an image, decent structure, categories, portal links, some references with what appears to me to be a pretty good start towards an article reasonably be considered a Start to anyone but me? Kumioko ( talk) 23:17, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
We have this report that lists long articles with stub tags. Is there anything for short articles that do not have stub tags? Not sure where to draw the line on this, but maybe the opposite direction is the way to go. Can we identify the 1000 smallest articles that do not contain any stub tags? And can we create such a report on a weekly basis, just like we do for the long stub articles? Dawynn ( talk) 13:41, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
Many stub categories have very long intros listing alternate stub tags that could be used. Examples are Category:India stubs or Category:American sportspeople stubs. These seem to be focused too much on stub sorters and getting in the way of what should be our target audience for these categories: Editors looking for articles they might be able to expand. These lists are in cases (like India) taking up more of the page than the actual list of stubs in the category does. Also, their value as a list of subcategories is now redundant to the automatically generated (and hence always up to date) Subcategories section.
Looking for a better answer than "They're too long, we should prune them", I think the more expansive lists in roots of major trees (such as country or occupation roots) should maybe be made collapsible and hidden by default. Now I think of it, is there a way to give them a consistent name like id=stublist to let stub sorters use their own css to make the lists display by default? -- Qetuth ( talk) 06:17, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
I've started a discussion at the Village Pump about AWB's auto-tagging; one of the issues raised is whether AWB should automatically add or remove stub tags. That's really only a sub-point I've tacked onto my main proposal, but I felt I should notify you for completion's sake. DoctorKubla ( talk) 07:44, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
I'd like to ask whether there is a method of creating a multi-stub template that would accept as arguments a list of other stub templates? I.e. is there a way of consolidating a stack of stub templates into a single template? (Another option could be for the multi-stub template to default to the normal stub template in the case where there is a single argument.) I'm not sure if this is even possible given current tools, but I do think it would help tidy things up a bit and allow for longer lists of stubs in an elegant manner. Regards, RJH ( talk) 15:50, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
There's a discussion at Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#AWB_auto-tagging of proposals including "AWB should not automatically add or remove the "stub" tag - this is also a matter of judgement, to be decided on a case-by-case basis". Stub specialists might like to contribute. Pam D 20:35, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
See discussion at Wikipedia_talk:AutoWikiBrowser/Bugs#AWB_tagging_short_lists_as_stubs_-_should_add_.7B.7Bexpand_list.7D.7D and User_talk:Hmains#Lists_are_not_stubs. Pam D 19:55, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
Template:Sfd relist top and Template:Sfd relist bottom have been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the templates' entry on the Templates for discussion page. DH85868993 ( talk) 12:23, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
There is an active discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Stub#Can_lists_be_stubs.3F. -- Magioladitis ( talk) 19:11, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
I've lost the guideline that says that the subcats of a stub cat must themselves be stub cats. In other words, the one that says that it's inappropriate for Category:Stub-class Foo articles
to be a sub category of Category:Foo stubs
. See
User talk:Montanabw#Stub-Class equine articles. --
Redrose64 (
talk) 19:49, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
Actually, we do have an equestrian-bio-stub, but it doesn't get used a lot. Could one of you demonstrate what you mean by editing the equine/horse cat so I can see the concept in action? I guess my confusion is what difference there is between stub evaluation and stub categories, seems like the goal of both is to flag and expand stubs, but the only difference I see is that one goes into project categorization, usually posted on the talk page and the other is a flag in the article space ... ? Montanabw (talk) 22:57, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
I've just had a discussion with an editor who has expressed concern at the lack of any response to stub proposals, given that editors are recommended not to boldly create stubs and stub types but to wait for approval from this project. (He had created a {{ camping-stub}} and corresponding category, and I cleaned it up a bit for him as well as listing it at Proposals). Is anyone doing anything to the backlog?
No, I'm not interested in taking on the work myself: I'm not convinced that the formal structures of this project are actually sensible, though I keep on stub-sorting in the meantime. I had several days off-wiki lately and was disappointed to see that some of the same stubs were in Category:Stubs when I returned - perhaps lots of stub-sorters are on holiday?. Or is this project just gently collapsing for lack of interest, in which case we need to tell the world so. Pam D 09:08, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
Should all stub categories be in cat Stub categories? or should some subcategories, subsubcats, and so on (nested) not be there?
P.S. I have "bannered" Category talk: Stub categories for this project. The one recent question asks about search. I don't know how well /Stub types may serve the purpose. -- P64 ( talk) 23:06, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
At Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Layout#Swapping_order_of_categories_and_stub_templates there is a discussion about the order of categories and stub templates where an editor has suggested considering the elimination of all stub templates. I've suggested that they pursue that discussion at Wikipedia talk:Stub instead. Pam D 07:02, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
See also now Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Eliminate_stub_templates_completely. Pam D 06:52, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
Since I can't make a new subpage, and September is missing, someone should check out these which don't seem to have been proposed:
-- 76.65.131.248 ( talk) 05:48, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
I have been trying to standardise the sortkey prefixes on the stub category tree. A survey made it appear that the system in most places was to use '*' for locations, and ' ' otherwise, so that geographical divisions are listed seperate from other divisions, so that is what I have been spreading around (UK and HK did the opposite, as did a few other little islands of resistance, such as every second branch of scientists). I have ignored "Stubs by foo" cats as there seemed no popular standard, and ignored categories by century/decade for the same reason. Now I'm looking at the Category:Animal stubs tree and every branch seems to use a different system - not only that, but there is often two or three types of subcategory it would be good not to mix, but neither is locational.
So I propose the following guide, to be refined and published somewhere in the stub sorting instructions:
Any thoughts? -- Qetuth ( talk) 09:08, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
I'm trying to find a script like HotCat but for stub types to quickly and easily search for and add specific stub types to articles. Does such a thing exist? I searched around and didn't turn anything up. -- Batard0 ( talk) 16:28, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 10 | ← | Archive 14 | Archive 15 | Archive 16 | Archive 17 | Archive 18 |
I was looking at the /Discoveries page and the logs haven't been updated in a while. February and March requests are still going under January. -- Jeremy ( blah blah • I did it!) 19:26, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
I've created a talk page template to be used when an editor uses the {{ stub}} tag instead of sorting it further. Feel free to make any edits at {{ Stub sort}}.
Using subst: is recommended, I didn't so changes can be shown on this page. See also my talk page for another example. I'm still working out a few bugs, feel free to help if you can. Gosox( 55)( 55) 20:48, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
How should we stub Israeli settlements in the Palestinian territories, Sinai, Golan Heights etc? It seems extremely POV to label them "Geography of Israel", as they are widely recognized as illegal. However, stubbing them as "Geography of the Palestinian territories" isn't exactly correct either. They are controlled by Israel and are mostly likely going to be expanded by those looking for Israeli stubs. Thoughts?-- TM 22:15, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
What WikiProject should the above Stub come under, WikiProject Radio Stations or WikiProject Christianity? Kathleen.wright5 22:42, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
Currently your documentation says to place stub templates last after the Categories, This produces needless whitespace between the last template on the page and the stub template (Example: { After Categories} and { Before Categories}). Perhaps your documentation could be updated to recommend placing them as the last template but before the categories to reduce whitespace issues? Peachey88 ( Talk Page · Contribs) 03:38, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
Should a clear policy be drawn, and all existing stub types be carefully reviewed? The current situation is rather messy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.237.150.205 ( talk) 11:12, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
Should Hong Kong stub templates that are not yet having any stub category be fed into the Asia one or the China one? Some Hong Kong stubs are actually not related to China nor the People's Republic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.237.150.205 ( talk) 11:15, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
Hi all - regretfully, health issues mean that I will be greatly reducing my workload on Wikipedia in general and WP:WSS in particular (full details can be found on my user page). Most of the tasks I do here aren't that important - though I do regularly sweep out any unsubcategorised stubs from various geo-stub categories, as listed at the top of my sandbox.
One task that I do daily, though, is very important: I check any new templates that are made, looking for unproposed ones that need to be taken to either WP:WSS/D or WP:SFD. please could I ask that someone else takes up this task? It usually takes very little time, but can be a bit stressful occasionally, since it's here that WP:WSS tends to come into contact with people who either don't know or don't care about the proposal process.
Given how many new pages are kept listed under Special:NewPages, this task would need to be done at least every two or three days, though I prefer to do it daily if possible ((it takes less time per go that way, and it's easier to knwo which ones have or haven't been checked). Grutness... wha? 22:15, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
There are a batch of "lists of lists" currently labelled as {{ stub}} by Yobot. They're being stubbed automatically because of an AWB rule specifying that the tag can be added to anything under 300 characters. I'm inclined to add a long comment and remove the stub tag, but not sure that this is right. Should the AWB rule exclude lists? or "lists of lists"? I've raised it at User_talk:Magioladitis#Yobot_and_stubs_and_lists_of_lists. PamD ( talk) 11:10, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
How do you fix the hierarchy in the template's documentation? I'm looking at about five stub templates, e.g., Template:Cutaneous-infection-stub, which should probably be considered 'children' of Template:Dermatology-stub and/or Template:Cutaneous-condition-stub.
The cats are already arranged correctly, but the template documentation doesn't name the intermediate steps (which I think might be useful to the occasional editor, if the more specific template doesn't seem to quite fit).
The stub templates don't seem to use a normal doc page, and I haven't been able to find the instructions anywhere. Can someone point me in the right direction? WhatamIdoing ( talk) 20:03, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
I've been baffled how, just recently, it seems that new stub categories are not filling accurately.
Here's the issue. In accordance with stub policies, I'll create an upmerge template linking to one particular parent category. Then, once I find 60 articles, I try to move everything into a new child category. The category and template link up correctly, and any newly tagged articles are placed in the new category, but the original 60 stay in the old category, unless they get resaved.
Here's a couple examples of categories that have been waiting days to receive their articles:
It seems like it was only a month or so ago when, if I updated the template at certain times of the day, the articles would dump right into the new category. Why the long wait now? Dawynn ( talk) 11:34, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
I just found an article with a stub cat from 2008. Fixed it up and went looking. There are nearly 5k articles (as of March) with stub cats. What to do? Rich Farmbrough, 02:53, 5 May 2010 (UTC).
These are a sub-cat of "people by occupation stubs" Category:Pirate stubs if it existed would be the rightful sub-cat of people by occupation. Rich Farmbrough, 10:13, 5 May 2010 (UTC).
I recently created Category:Italian sport stubs and {{ Italy-sport-stub}}. It's likely that I omitted some step that you folks would have liked me to take, or I did it in some way that was slightly different that what you would prefer. I am notifying you here so that you can clean it up after me. Also because I used {{ WPSS-cat}} to say that you would be maintaining it. Thanks. — Mark Dominus ( talk) 19:24, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
I am a member of the Canadian music project. Is it possible to get our seven stubs renamed from "Canada" to "Canadian"?
I ask because every category to which these stubs relate are all named Category:Canadian ??? Thanks. Argolin ( talk) 08:47, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
In New Zealand, we have a politics taskforce. The related page is
Wikipedia:WikiProject New Zealand/politics. In April 2010, the project was renamed from
Wikipedia:WikiProject New Zealand/governments to broaden its scope, and to more accurately reflect the scope. I suspect that
Category:New Zealand government stubs exists because it reflected the former taskforce name. I propose that the category be deleted, and the 62 pages be added to
Category:New Zealand politics stubs (where there are currently 449 pages and 2 subcategories). I've posted a note at
Category talk:New Zealand government stubs as well as
politics task force talk page.
Schwede
66 18:30, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
I noticed that the category Onchidiidae stubs is in the category Heterobranchia stubs along with Pulmonata stubs, however Onchidiidae is a superfamily under the informal class Pulmonata. My question is should I move Onchidiidae stubs into the Pulmonata stubs category? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pepper543210 ( talk • contribs) 23:06, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
I don't believe the template {{ Canada-country-band-stub}} was authorised by your project. The Canadian music project currently has a total 80 country musical groups (including subgenres). Placement of this template adds the article to Category:Canadian musical group stubs. Further, there is no mention of this template in the Category:Canadian country music groups. I don't see it's usefulness at this point for the Canadian music project as it is the only genre based stub type. Can it be deleted? Argolin ( talk) 23:21, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
At Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/2009/June#Reorganisation of Pharmacology stub categories, splitting the Category:Pharmacology stubs (> 3000 entries) and the corresponding stub template was discussed and approved of, though never implemented. Can I go ahead with it, or is there something like an expiry date for this consensus? Thanks -- ἀνυπόδητος ( talk) 15:51, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
How do I (for example) mark {{ antiinfective-agent-stub}} as a subtype of {{ pharma-stub}}, so that the "Stub hierarchy" box in the template documentation shows the correct relationship? -- ἀνυπόδητος ( talk) 19:43, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
OK, that's perhaps an overdramatic way of describing a rather obscure complaint. However, many stub templates prevent articles appearing on
User:Mr.Z-man's excellent
tool for finding articles that lack images. The reason for this is that the tool looks up a database that records any usage of images in the article, not just Image: and File: but within templates and message boxes. This meant that pretty much any stub did not appear on lists generated by the tool, because it saw the picture in the stub template and assumed it depicted the subject of the article.
After I pointed this out, Z-man said that rewriting the code to use a different database wasn't really an option, but he has just changed the tool so that there's now an option to only look for JPEGs in articles. It's not perfect, but it works well enough as long as none of the stub templates contains a JPEG. I've been taking photos of central London lately, and found that just swapping JPGs for SVGs in the stub templates for London roads, structs and railway stations allowed >90% of articles without images to show up in Z-man's lists. However there is a long tail of other stub templates that can be placed on geotaggable articles, particularly in
Category:Building and structure stubs and more generally in
Category:Geography stubs.
Personally I find that JPG photos are usually unintelligible at the 30px size typical of stub templates, and I also think SVG cartoony images are better on style grounds for meta stuff like stub templates to contrast with the JPGs in the article content. The clincher has to be that it doesn't make much difference for stub purposes what the image is, but it makes a critical difference to a tool that helps make Wikipedia better. I'm not necessarily saying that someone should go out and change all the JPGs to SVGs immediately (although it would be nice, particularly on the members of
Category:Church stubs relevant to London <g> ) but it should be something to bear in mind when creating new stub templates.
Le Deluge (
talk) 11:38, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
You lot may be interested in an essay that I wrote: User:Alan Liefting/Essays/Stub categories are project categories. Cheers. -- Alan Liefting ( talk) - 09:51, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
Would it be OK to put the above Stub under Radio stations and Christianity, or if not which one should it go under? -- kathleen wright5 ( talk) 06:21, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
I've proposed some new album stub templates that will reach 60. I just need someone to make them. It's far past the required amount of time, but I've proposed new templates for these things multiple times in the past and they never happened because nobody stepped in. I'm not making an account just for this, but I will do all the work. I just would appreciate it if those templates were made. Thanks. 174.98.251.19 ( talk) 03:26, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
If an article has a sorted stub tag but no other categories, should it also have {{ Uncategorised}}? I argue that it shouldn't, as the stub tag puts it into a stub category which has a parent non-stub category so that the article is now within a category. I don't know whether there's chapter and verse on it one way or the other? PamD ( talk) 17:36, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
{{
Uncategorized stub}}
.
Jason Quinn (
talk) 16:58, 26 September 2010 (UTC)I don't often feel defeated by a stub, but can't think how to stub-sort Miss World 2011! Any ideas? PamD ( talk) 17:06, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
Just a heads up. I took the entire list of stub types by size found here, ignoring the small categories (60 and under, no subcategories). I've matched this up to the list of stub types found here. Anything that was not found, I have sorted in my own sandbox, and I am working on adding to this list. I'm trying to list everything in logical places, as much as possible, without double-listing much. I would appreciate another set of eyes looking in from time to time to make certain this list is being built appropriately. (Note: This task is partially a personally-enforced penance for building a number of stub categories without listing them on the stub types page.) Dawynn ( talk) 00:46, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
Hi, i'd like to add some new stub categories on italian wikipedia, but i didn't find the right way to do it. Someone can tell me if the procedure here indicated is valid for the others wiki too? Thanks a lot. Ciaurlec ( talk) 22:27, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
A few deprecated stub templates have just appeared again at WP:SFD, owing to confusion about the fact that deprecated non-stub templates are usually deleted. To remedy this, I've created {{ Stubdeprecated}}, to replace {{ Tdeprecated}} on deprecated stub templates, and an equivalent category ( Category:Deprecated stub templates), plus made a note at WP:DOT about why deprecated stub templates are usually jkept. Please have a look at them and make any necessary improvements! :) Grutness... wha? 00:01, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
I've found articles placed directly in
Category:Falls County, Texas stubs; and articles which are in there because they transclude {{
FallsCountyTX-geo-stub}}
. I have also found a template {{
FallsTX-geo-stub}}
which I believe duplicates the purpose of {{
FallsCountyTX-geo-stub}}
. What is the procedure to follow? --
Redrose64 (
talk) 18:43, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
Hi. I frequently come across stubs with largely varying image sizes from one another. Which is quite ugly. Why not have a fixed image size for all stubs, maybe 30x30px? Rehman( +) 13:54, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
Hmm. Why is it a bad idea to put up a strict rule to gave a 30x30 squared image on all stubs templates? Because, pages with multiple stub templates looks somewhat ugly ( example). Rehman( +) 00:22, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
I think that {{
Welsh-Academics}}
has been created improperly. --
Redrose64 (
talk) 15:27, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
Most stub articles I come across have more than one stub template. The main message of a stub template is to convey "this is a short article, please expand". So, taking this article as a random example, further stubs like {{ TyumenOblast-geo-stub}} and more may also qualify; all conveying the same "this is a short article, please expand".
Perhaps there should be a new rule on one stub per page? Instead of posting "this is a short building article, please expand", "this is a short structure article, please expand", "this is a short building in Japan article, please expand", it'll keep on going, all on the same page... Reh man 02:28, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
{{Stub|1= |2= |3= |4= }}
Where filling in the relevant subject name (i.e. Power station) in field 1, would give the power station stub notice. And for multiple stubs, the remaining three fields. We could also embed auto categorization or any other feature into it, including the lead image.
And if necessary, each type of stub could be given a unique ID (like {{ Wikipedia ads}}), which could be used for easy filling of the fields. Reh man 08:36, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
{{
Rail-station-stub}}
, which is for railway stations anywhere, and there is {{
UK-rail-stub}}
, which is for railway topics in the UK; and there is also {{
UK-railstation-stub}}
, which covers the overlap: railway stations in the UK.{{
Steam-loco-stub}}
, which is for steam locomotives anywhere, and there is {{
US-rail-stub}}
, which is for railroad topics in the USA; but there isn't a stub category which covers both with a single template; so, in the absence of that, an article on a steam locomotive in the USA should be given both templates. At some point, if we found that there were a significant number of articles with both of these, we might consider that a new template {{
US-steam-loco-stub}}
was desirable. --
Redrose64 (
talk) 13:38, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
I think this is an excellent suggestion by Rehman and would make the wikicode much clearer and neater. I can't see that it would cause any problems at all. After looking through the archives I found a reference to such a template. I have added a few tweaks and it is now called
Template:Multiple stub. It can be used in the following way: {{
Multiple stub|Ghana|Sport-bio|Business}}
produces the following
There is an ongoing discussion here regarding categorization of stub templates by topic. Comments and suggestions would be very much appreciated. Thank you, -- Black Falcon ( talk) 16:51, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
It appears that the formatting for {{shia-stub}} is busted somehow, as rather than categorising articles by Category:Shi'a Islam stubs it just straight categorises them as Shi'a Islam, so the stubs are cluttering up the parent category no matter how carefully they're sub-filed. Further, it's not linked in to the larger {islam-stub} network. I'm not totally sure how to correct this; suggestions? MatthewVanitas ( talk) 13:08, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Thanks, helps a lot in cleanup. I've left a message with the erring editor asking him to watch for that in the future. MatthewVanitas ( talk) 15:19, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
As part of an unrelated task, I've generated a list of attempts to transclude stub templates that do not exist. In all likelihood these represent a mix of typos and useful stub classes that have yet to be created. Alas, I haven;t the knowledge myself to sort through them. Are there any experts here who would care to have a go please ?
The list can be found at User:Topbanana/missing stubs
- TB ( talk) 14:13, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
Hi all - I've just created a new stub category header template - {{ Parent stub category}} - to replace the standard {{ Stub category}} in those categories which are intended to be parent-only (i.e., "holding categories" for subtypes which all have their own templates). Use (and amend if necessary) at will! Grutness... wha? 23:45, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
{{ England-actor-stub}} and {{ England-musician-stub}} have different size images - looks a mess at Ann Catley. Could someone who knows about these things fix whichever one is wrong? (But shouldn't music/actor icons be there as well or instead, anyway?) Thanks. PamD ( talk) 12:05, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
Category:Government biography stubs has no associated stub template.
Ole Jacob Bull bears redlinked template {{
Gov-bio-stub}}
. This template appears to be
linked from elsewhere, but doesn't seem to have been deleted: was it ever created? --
Redrose64 (
talk) 16:36, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
See {{
UK-rail-stub}}
, where beneath the heading "About this template", there is a stub hierarchy box with three rows. The box is generated by {{
Asbox/stubtree}}
, and most stub templates show just two rows here, the template itself and
Stub. How is the {{
Asbox/stubtree}}
in {{
UK-rail-stub}}
configured to show the extra row? It might be useful if others did this - for example, {{
Linebacker-1930s-stub}}
could show itself at the top, and beneath that,
Linebacker-stub,
Amfoot-bio-stub etc. --
Redrose64 (
talk) 14:48, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
{{
Hungary-tennis-bio-stub}}
- how is it done? --
Redrose64 (
talk) 17:53, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
Anyone like to explain this to me? The earlier version (as at oct 25) had a redlink to an existing stub template. I replaced it with an identical link and it became an operating link. I can't see any difference in the two links, so why did one work and not the other? Or is there an uncertainly paradox with stubs suddenly? Grutness... wha? 03:08, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
Back in 2009, Pegship created a template called {{ catupmerge}} for stub categories which are populated only by upmerged tags. I have moved it to a better name ({{ Upmerged stub category}}) and nominated the redirect for deletion at WP:Redirects for discussion/Log/2011 January 2#Template:Catupmerge. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 20:07, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
What's the current guideline/rule-of-thumb about linking to projectsb and help pages in stub templates? I thought we were largely against them... in which case, {{ academic-journal-stub}} may need amending. Thoughts? Grutness... wha? 01:08, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Should stub sorting be marked as a minor edit? Rchard2scout ( talk) 21:03, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
Feel free to participate in the discussion at Template talk:Cfd all#Should the tags for nominating categories to be renamed be purple in stead of pink?. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 08:27, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
Hi, notifying the project of a thread which I have raised at Wikipedia talk:HotCat#Stub categories. If anybody uses HotCat (I don't), please offer suggestions for helping with the issue. -- Redrose64 ( talk) 18:20, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
It seems to have been a long time since the category has been empty, so I'm proud to say that it is now... or was last time I looked. We've caught up with the flood of former {{ expand}} articles which have been tagged with {{ stub}}. Well done, to all of us who are actively sorting. And now I really must get on with the non-Wiki jobs I was going to do this morning ... I usually only aim at keeping the letter "P" in the listing empty, but the rest of the list was so short that I couldn't resist the challenge! PamD ( talk) 12:06, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
Hi folks - does anyone know what's going on with the de-linking of text in stub articles? It seems that User:Colonies Chris has started mass delinking of hundreds of templates. I don't remember that having been discussed here, and I would have thought that it was counterproductive. Grutness... wha? 22:28, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
{{
EastEngland-railstation-stub}}
- both of these are common terms and also terms which may occur in the main text of articles which bear this template (see
Category:East of England railway station stubs). But you also delinked
East of England, which is unlikely to occur anywhere in such articles; furthermore, it is not a common term. It has the appearance of a general term for that area of England which is on the right-hand side of a map; but it has a specific, legally defined meaning (follow the link to see exactly what), which we at
WP:UKRAIL have chosen as a suitable way of subdividing railway stations in England. A station in, say,
Lincolnshire, whilst in the east in a vague sort of way, is not in the
East of England - it is in the
East Midlands, and so stub articles on railway stations in Lincolnshire should bear {{
EastMidlands-railstation-stub}}
.Note: Colonies Chris is still actively removing these links. Is this regarded as (a) useful, (b) useless or (c) detrimental? There is currently a protected edit request to delink song in {{ song-stub}}. If anyone has an opinion on this please comment at Template talk:Song-stub. Thanks — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 08:41, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
There appears to be a problems with rail station stubs which have recently been sorted by region, by one user. Yesterday a new stub {{ Lincolnshire-railstation-stub}} appeared and was added to Lincolnshire stations in addition to the region stub. Is this what is meant to be happening? Keith D ( talk) 14:48, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
{{
EastEngland-railstation-stub}}
to {{
EastMidlands-railstation-stub}}
, I first went through
Category:East Midlands railway station stubs to make sure those were valid in their use of {{
EastMidlands-railstation-stub}}
, so that I wouldn't be piling good stuff upon cr*p. This took from 21:23 until 22:07 on 23 January 2011, with just eight articles amended.{{
EastEngland-railstation-stub}}
was valid. This took about two days, with dozens of fixes (some clown appeared to have used {{
EastEngland-railstation-stub}}
as a generic UK railway stub template, since I found stations in Brighton, the Isle of Sheppey, Warwickshire and the outskirts of Manchester and Doncaster all with this in error, also some lines and junctions which were not stations).{{
Lincolnshire-railstation-stub}}
- I've already dropped a note at
the creator's talk page. --
Redrose64 (
talk) 18:01, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
We seem to have problems with one editor redefining the use of {{ Dacia-stub}}. I've already had to revert his attachment of it to stub articles on museums in Romania, and other things which relate to Romanian history in general but not necessarily or specifically to Dacia. He also seems to be unable to understand that redirects are never marked with stub templates. When I brought these subjects up with him, he decided to rescope the Dacia-stub template in a way that was far more vague and covered a far larger subject area, so that it could be applied to articles not directly related to Dacia. I'd appreciate it if people kept a bit more of an eye on Dacia-stub and its usage for a while, to make sure that it's being used properly! Grutness... wha? 07:25, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
To quote your original proposal of the stub type: "I propose the creation of a category/template Category:Ancient Dacia stubs/{{Ancient-Dacia-stub}} under History by era or under Category:European history stubs/{{ Euro-hist-stub}}. There are many Dacia articles which are not fitting under the related Category:Romanian history stubs/{{ Romania-hist-stub}} or Category:Ancient Thrace stubs/{{ Ancient-Thrace-stub}} categories due to location or lack of connection, and would benefit from this stub/category. I am new to this and not sure how to count the amount of articles but as a contributor to Dacia-related pages, I can say I have seen more than 60, most of them poorly written or with limited content. The idea is to have them marked as a Dacia stub and distribute them to interested historians focused on Dacia/Dacology for contribution."
This seems to quite clearly state the aims you had for the stub template - to apply to articles which are specifically for Ancient Dacia and not coverable by a Romania-history-stub or Ancient-Thrace-stub. It was on these grounds that it was accepted as a stub type. As such, it is designed to complement the Romania-history-stub, and be used on articles which are not about Romanian history in general. Yet your complaints seem to relate to two articles which are specifically about Romanian history in general, and which are therefore more adequately and effectively covered by a Romania-history-stub - neither of which, it is worth noting, has a permanent category connected specifically with Dacia.
"Regarding redirects with {{ R with possibilities}}, this is a special case, where I believe an exception can be made to the rule of not adding stubs to redirects." No, it is not a special case. It is a redirect, and stub templates are never used on redirects. As I have explained to you, it makes no sense whatsoever to have a stub template on something which can and will not be expanded - and redirects cannot be expanded, only replaced by articles. If the section to which it redirects can be expanded, then let it be so - but that does not require a stub template, it requires and {{ expand-section}} stub. If the time comes when the section can bee broken out into its own article, then by that stage it will not be a stub. So there is simply no point in stubbing it. Furthermore, adding stub templates to redirects makes both the work of stub sorters and editors harder by clogging up categories designated for stubs. This makes it harder for editors to find specific articles to expand, and harder for tallying when stub categories are under- or oversized.
"The suggestion of using stubs is clearly made in the description of this special type of redirect and I believe you should treat it as an exception case in your stub sorting procedures." It is not stated as such in the template, the template's documentation, the template's talk page, or in the description of how to use redirects. And it is explicitly stated at WP:STUB that stub templates should not be used in cases like this.
"In the case of WP:DACIA, we make use of such redirects for ancient cities that redirect to the ancient history section of modern city (ex. Drobeta (ancient city), Napoca (ancient city) etc.) [...] Hence, we want to have the stubs there to mark that, invite collaborators and speed up the process. I believe these kind of scenarios were in the mind of those who created {{ R with possibilities}}" As explained before - and again, as explained at WP:STUB - you are confusing the role of stub templates and WikiProject-specific banner templates. Stubs are not specifically for the use of individual subject-specific WikiProjects - they are for use across the entirety of Wikipedia in as uniform a fashion as possible. If WikiProjects want to mark their articles - and their redirects - they use talk-page banner templates, which are more effective and versatile, as they can be used on a wide range of different pages and not just on stubs. That is what those templates are for! You already have and use such a template, {{ Ancient Dacia}}, and as far as your WP is concerned the stub template should be secondary to that. And I am certain that the people who created {{ R with possibilities}} were doing so to point out redirects which could possibly be turned into articles (which is, after all, what the template states that it is for), rather than suggesting that the redirects were stubs, which they are clearly not.
"Please refrain from removing our stubs until we at least clarify or ideally reach a consensus here. I think your sorting work is great, but please take in considerations the needs and views of specific projects." They are not "your" stubs. they are Wikipedia's as a whole, and form part of a unified system that should treat all stub types equally and uniformly. Specific projects are far better served with banner templates, which is why they should be used for marking any Dacia-related articles and pages, be they stubs, full articles, redirects, templates, or categories. I advise you again to read WP:STUB#Stub types, WikiProjects, and Assessment templates. Grutness... wha? 21:37, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
The geographic scope of this Wikiproject doesn't seem limited to Romania. The scope given is "Dacia (at Burebista's time) plus Moesia and Scythia Minor". That would include areas of Bulgaria, Hungary, the Republic of Macedonia, Moldova, Romania, Serbia and the Ukraine. I am not certain if the articles should even mention Dacians, since the Getae, the Moesi, and to a lesser extent the Thracians are of interest to the Wikiproject. Museums which cover related artifacts may or may not qualify. The scope doesn't mention them.
I fully agree on not marking common redirects as stubs. "stub", "start", "B", etch. are assesment evaluations of where an article currently stands. They should not serve as to do lists. "Non-article pages, such as disambiguation pages, categories, templates, talk pages, and redirects, are not regarded as stubs." Dimadick ( talk) 16:35, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
-- Codrin.B ( talk) 01:51, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
We have
Category:Asian painter stubs but there is no corresponding {{
Asia-painter-stub}}
. Not all Asian countries have their own stub template (i.e. India has {{
India-painter-stub}}
but Sri Lanka does not have {{
SriLanka-painter-stub}}
, so I've ended up with the rather kludgy pair of stub templates at the bottom of
Solias Mendis). Is the lack of a generic {{
Asia-painter-stub}}
an oversight, or was it a deliberate omission? --
Redrose64 (
talk) 15:33, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Two thoughts:
1) I think it would make sense to redirect Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals to this talk page. The other page isn't used much - and when it is it's often incorrectly used to propose stub articles. Mostly the same people watch both pages, so are there any objections? I've made the same suggestion at that page, BTW. It might also be worth considering the same thing with the Discoveries talk page, though that does at least get a reasonable amount of comments.
2) Some tim in the next couple of months we should have a think - and a discussion with WP:WikiProject Sudan - about splitting the stubs for that nation into its two new constituent parts. This can wait a while, especially since no-one is certain what the new country is going to be called, but it's justy a general heads-up that we'll need to do something about the stubs for it. Grutness... wha? 00:25, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
When separating countries into continents, what is the current accepted standard? Are we going with the United Nations geoscheme? Or something else?
I realize this can vary under certain conditions. For instance, I know that the association football categories prefer to delineate according to the ruling football organizations (which put Australia in Asia, and Isreal in Europe, amongst other oddities). But, in general, what is the standard?
Examples of concerns:
Before I make any changes, I just wanted some clear direction on where the community wants to go. Dawynn ( talk) 13:18, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
Can anyone point me to news related to auto-categorization in wikipedia? I'm meaning the feature that, when we move a template to a new category, will automatically move all the associated articles to the new category. This was shut off or broken with the software upgrade last month and has not been turned back on / fixed. Dawynn ( talk) 12:59, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
In October, I mentioned Wikipedia:Database reports/Stubs included directly in stub categories. I started working through this list on 9 June 2010 (when there were 2339 entries), and since then, I've fixed up almost everything from G to S, whilst others have covered A to F and T to Z. I believe that the list generated 13 February 2011 is now clear, so I've asked MZMcBride ( talk · contribs) (the operator of BernsteinBot ( talk · contribs)) to run the report as a special job, to see what, if anything, is left. -- Redrose64 ( talk) 21:41, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
The special run has recently (13:46, 02 March 2011) been completed, and there are
83 entries on it. Since most, if not all, will have been edited in the last two/three weeks to add the stub cat directly, the action should be fresh in the mind of the editors concerned, so we can judiciously serve out some {{
Uw-directcat}}
. If it was added by HotCat, there's a thread at
WT:HotCat#Stub categories that we can complain at. --
Redrose64 (
talk) 16:46, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
I've been having a discussion with another member of the team as to how subcategories should be listed within a category. We were discussing basically two patterns, both of which I've seen used. I'm just wondering if there is some concensus as to what is perceived as the best way to do things. For ease of future discussion, I'm going to give them a couple names here.
It's understood that, on both of these methods, we may alter the alphabetization rules as need arises. For example, "Hungarian botanist stubs" may be listed in the 'B' subcategories (for Botanist) on a "Hungarian scientist stubs" page, while being listed in the 'H' subcategories on a "Botanist stubs" page.
The main question here is whether we have or whether we want to set any kind of project standard for how subcategories should be listed. Thank you all in advance for your input. Dawynn ( talk) 16:04, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
If the purpose of piping everything to the first page of the listing is so that it's all visible immediately, there are other ways of achieving that goal, such as adding the {{ Category tree}} box to the category page. (And that one has the advantage that it's not only visible on the first page.) I realise that the piping habit probably started before things like that were available, but there's no good reason – unless "it's already been done that way on most of the pages" is a good reason – to keep on doing it. — Paul A ( talk) 07:14, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
Therefore, the need to sort stub cats under " " or "*" when placed in other stub cats is somewhat reduced. See, for example, Category:History stubs where Category:Romanian history stubs is sorted under "R" yet appears on the first page, and all those sorted under " " or "*" appear on the page beginning at "R". -- Redrose64 ( talk) 20:22, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
Does anyone know of an existing search tool that could find templates that are either missing a specific parameter, or where said parameter is present but has no value?
I'd like to be able to search for all {{ Stub category}} templates that have nothing in the newstub parameter -- since this should either be filled in or the template should be converted to {{ Parent-only stub category}}. I'd also like to search for all {{ Stub category}}, {{ Parent-only stub category}} and {{ Regional stub category}} templates that have nothing in the category parameter, as we should be trying to fill all of these in.
Dawynn ( talk) 15:17, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
|line=
parameter in {{
Infobox UK disused station}}
. If you like, I'll sandbox something at
Template:Stub category/sandbox. --
Redrose64 (
talk) 15:47, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
{{
stub category}}
when I typed the above. I have now looked, and it seems that this is already set up, although not in the way that I would have done it; the feature was added with these edits:
1 (missing |category=
);
2 (missing |newstub=
). Rather than explain it here, I've added it to the documentation at
Template:Stub category/doc#Missing parameters.|category=
in {{
Parent-only stub category}}
and {{
Regional stub category}}
, this isn't checked, although it could be. The question then is, do you want to use the same method that
Od Mishehu (
talk ·
contribs) used, or my method?{{
regional stub category}}
into line with {{
stub category}}
by the simple expedient of checking which parameters the latter recognises and making sure that they're all passed straight through unchanged (two weren't: |category type=
and |WikiProject=
). I've also linked {{
regional stub category}}
to
template:stub category/doc and in doing so made the doc page amend itself slightly depending upon the template it's being viewed in.{{
parent-only stub category}}
yet: we might want to wait for input from
Grutness (
talk ·
contribs), who wrote it. --
Redrose64 (
talk) 21:57, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
{{
Parent-only stub category}}
, see
its documentation. It may take an hour or so to fully populate the "What links here" pages. --
Redrose64 (
talk) 23:31, 19 March 2011 (UTC)Should {{ encyclopedia-stub}} be under the category of Culture or Miscellaneous? I tried finding it in Culture and Miscellaneous; no sign of this stub template. -- Gh87 ( talk) 09:14, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
Hello. Category:Slovakian sport stubs should be renamed to "Slovak sport stubs", to reflect the common usage of adjective "Slovak" in other categories throughout WP. - Darwinek ( talk) 10:26, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
I've noticed that Fry1989 ( talk · contribs) has been increasing the size of images from 30px to 60px or greater (120px in one case); is this alright? I think this makes them too big to cooperate with other stub templates and leaves alot of undesirable whitespace above and below the stub description when sandwiching multiple stub templates together. I tried to revert Template:Comoros-geo-stub, but he restored the very large image. Atleast one other editor has reverted Fry1989 besides myself on some stub templates, so I don't think I'm alone in supposing this is excessively large decoration. 65.93.12.101 ( talk) 10:45, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
image
is used and this image requires a size different from the default maximum of 40x30 pixels. (Note that in the interests of standardising the formats of stub messages, images of size 40x30 are much preferred.)More people commenting are needed at WP:SFD. Often, nominations are being closed with only the nominator commenting, or being left open through one nomination comment and one opposing comment cancelling each other out with no consensus being reached. Personally, I don't care whether the comments are in support or opposing the nominations in each case - it would just be easier to reach consensus on some of the nominations if there was more comment. Anyone? Grutness... wha? 23:13, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub removal. Thank you. -- Klein zach 01:49, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
INDIAN YOUTH PARTY is a political party with its headquarter at Lucknow, Uttar Pradesh. INDIAN YOUTH PARTY bears true faith and allegiance to the constitution of India as by law established and to the principal of socialism, secularism and democracy and would uphold the sovereignty, unity and integrity of India.
The flag of party is tricolor with saffron on top, white at the middle and green at bottom. The flag is one and halftimes to its width. The loin is printed boldly in black color on the white portion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.162.217.131 ( talk) 17:31, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
I want to create a new stub about a travel company called Sri Lanka In Style. Does anyone have any advice about how to do this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.43.2.234 ( talk) 06:54, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
(Crossposted from WT:SFD)
A suggestion for WP:SFD. We don't normally re-list nominations - they just hang around at the bottom of the page until someone gets fed up with them and closes them. I'd like to propose the following:
Most of the time, clarity of action - if not always consensus - is reached. In other cases, such as the current US-history-book-stub discussion, they can hand around unresolved for a long time. Hopefully this will keep the ball rolling on a couple of items every now and again. Grutness... wha? 22:17, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
Template:Small-village-of-about-1,000-inhabitants-in-Kent-stub seems to be quite off the wall but I can't quite work out what to do with it - TfD or just mention it here and hope that someone will leap in and sort it out? PamD ( talk) 13:19, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
Should stub templates that correspond to stub categories which have been upmerged be listed in the various 'Stub types' lists? If so, how? For an example, see the Posavina Canton geography stub category or the multiple red-linked Silesian geography stub types (scroll down a bit), which were upmerged due to being underpopulated. -- Black Falcon ( talk) 03:55, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
Template:Red-dwarf-stub refers to the hundreds of articles that have to do with red or orange dwarfs. I have a list of red dwarf stubs on the wiki page. Let me know when we can use the red dwarf template. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clammybells ( talk • contribs) 11:33, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
How do I stub-sort an Irish restaurant? See Category:European restaurant stubs which doesn't help - it forbids me putting it into that category, but none of the 3 subcategories are relevant. It seems ridiculous to just use {{ restaurant-stub}} undivided. Maybe it's too early in the morning, but I just can't think what to do with this. PamD ( talk) 07:39, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
{{
Ireland-org-stub}}
or {{
Ireland-struct-stub}}
together with {{
restaurant-stub}}
. It's kind of a half-assed solution I know. --
Redrose64 (
talk) 12:12, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
It's been quite a while since the category has been empty, but it is now - congratulations to all of us for gettting through a lot of stubs lately. PamD ( talk) 09:28, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
I've noticed something over the last few days. Previously, stub categories had been categorized in the permcats under the greek 'µ' character. Now, they still get listed at the end of the categories, but under a capital 'M'. How do we fix this? Dawynn ( talk) 12:33, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
Not sure why, but we've suddenly acquired two new subpages for {{ Stub category}}: {{ Stub category/testcases}} and {{ Stub category/sandbox}}. I've asked the creator of them to comment here as to their usage, but given the different ways in which the cateory is already in use, I doubt we really need these - or if we do, don't really see why one subpage couldn't be used to serve both purposes (what is a sandbox other than a place to experiment with test cases?). Grutness... wha? 02:06, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
Is there any need to list all the past proposals (certainly any that are more than a month old)? Huge lag when this page loads. Lugnuts ( talk) 19:44, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
I've created Template:Kerry-GAA-club-stub but it's not showing the stub hierarchy correctly. Any ideas? Gnevin ( talk) 23:47, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
I see that the proposal archive page had not been updated for some time. Is this simply because no one had the time, or is there some other reason why the updates stopped? I put up a June 2009 archive list, but figured I'd check before I went too far with this. Feel free to add any feedback on how I handled the June 2009 archive. Dawynn ( talk) 18:15, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
In case you - like me - are sometimes disheartened by the seemingly endless number of undersized stub cats which need upmerging or oversized cats which need splitting, this graphic may cheer you up. Using the 9 March data at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Stub type sizes, I made a graph showing approximately how many stub cats there are of different sizes. Only the red areas on the graph definitely need work: the lower yellow area contains cats which might need looking at - undersized, but either passably populated, or with a WikiProject, or with enough subcategories to warrant keeping them - the upper yellow area is those which are closing in on the upper limit before splitting. The vast bulk of the categories are within our " Goldilocks zone" of 60-800 stubs. Of course, the remaining small fraction is still 1600 of the 11,000 stub categories... Grutness... wha? 23:12, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
I'm currently trying to bring the archive up to date. Could someone please review Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/2009/September? There are two discussions that I didn't close, because there didn't seem to be a true concensus. Can someone else please provide a final decision on the remaining open discussions? Dawynn ( talk) 12:34, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
Related: Could someone more familiar than I am with stub sorting close the remaining few discussions at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/2010/May so the backlog tag can be removed? Thanks! – Drilnoth ( T/ C) 15:17, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
Why are we using so many different stub templates? Wouldn't using {{
stub}} with an unnamed parameter to specify the type be better, and more consistent with the rest of the wiki? E.g., {{Stub|Bombus}}
would do the same thing as {{Bombus-stub}}
. It wouldn't be very hard to code, and then things could be done by bot or redirects to update previous uses. –
Drilnoth (
T/
C) 15:21, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
{{Stub|Bombus}}
. Much cleaner than using so many template visibly, and no giant switch. Anyways, 'twas just a thought. If people are happy with the overabundance of templates as things stand, I don't really care either way. –
Drilnoth (
T/
C) 20:09, 12 July 2011 (UTC)Currently, when categorizing stub categories in their stub parents, we prefix either a space or an astertisk (*) to the category name. We originally did this in order that the subcategories would all show up on the first page; however, now they show up on every page, making it unnecessary. I think that we should:
עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 09:56, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
I would appreciate others to review / improve new template {{ WSSProposalArchive}}.
I created this new template for navigation of the Proposal Archives. I will soon be starting the 2010 archives, and the template did not exist previously (navigation menu previously recreated on each individual archive page). I have updated the existing proposal archive pages to use this template. However, if someone else has better ideas as to the syntax / layout / etc, please feel free to improve it. Dawynn ( talk) 13:45, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
{{ catupmerge}} was a template originally created by Pegship, until about half a year ago I moved it to a better name, {{ upmerged stub category}}. I was thinking that since the new name is more descriptive of what this template is for, that we should maybe list it at Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/Template redirects - this means that any time any user tries to edit a category with a {{ catupmerge}} tag on it using AWB, AWB will automaticly add this replacement to the edit. This doesn't mean that anyone will edit the pages for the purpose of handling this tag; only that should anyone do an AWB edit, they probably will end up doing this. Any opinions on this issue? עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 07:05, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
Currently, a hidden navbar is generated on each of our 1.5 million stubs. To see the navbar, an editor must modify his/her own .css file. Currently, we have 5 editors who have done this. There is some discussion at Template talk:Asbox#Why the navbar ? about this feature. - TB ( talk) 08:21, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
There are several open requests for editing protected biography stub templates ( example), all asking the removal of wikilinks to the word 'biography' and to the name of the subject's country. The argument repeated in each are that 'biography' is a common word that requires no link, and the subject's country is likely to already be linked somewhere in the article body. These requests seem reasonable, but since there were several and I know the individual stub templates will not have many watchers, I wanted to raise the issue here to make sure there are no objections prior to acting on the edit requests. If there is consensus to remove these links, it might be better to sweep all the bio stubs at once rather than editors making separate requests for each one. -- RL0919 ( talk) 16:41, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
This is dragging on. The central issue seems to be on the interpretation of WP:OVERLINK. The talk page for that ( Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (linking)) concerns amendments to that page, not interpretations of it: so, since it's largely a policy matter, I have requested assistance at WP:VPP#Overlinking in templates. -- Redrose64 ( talk) 15:08, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
Feel free to discuss this at Wikipedia talk:Stub types for deletion#Use AWB to gradually reduce the use of moved stub tags?. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 11:08, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
I noticed that {{BritishColumbia-politician-stub}} had been replaced by {{BritishColumbia-mayor-stub}} for Robert Dickinson (British Columbia politician) and William James Armstrong as the result of stub sorting. Both of those individuals are mayors but they are also Members of the Legislative Assembly (MLAs) of British Columbia, provincial level politicians.
How to mark an article as a stub says "If an article overlaps several stub categories, more than one template may be used, but it is strongly recommended that only those relating to the subject's main notability be used". One might argue that there is more notability associated with being an MLA compared to being a mayor, and, therefore, with {{BritishColumbia-politician-stub}} compared to the more specific {{BritishColumbia-mayor-stub}} since all MLAs are politicians but all are not necessarily mayors. So, is using a more specific stub appropriate in such cases? -- Big_iron ( talk) 09:15, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
There are now about 40 articles that are tagged with Template:Israel-artist-stub. Is that enough to justify their own stub category, Israeli artist stubs? (At the moment the stub template lumps them into the broader category artist-stubs). Colonies Chris ( talk) 10:53, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
99.194.217.121 ( talk) 02:49, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
Please discuss the feasibility of this idea:
It would be *nice* (although, potentially difficult) to have a periodic list of all templates that pass the following criteria:
This report would list templates that are ripe for splitting into categories of their own. Dawynn ( talk) 18:15, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
Problem. Not sure how Wikipedia does everything behind the scenes, but it seems to sometimes credit articles tagged to redirects to both the redirect and the true template. Which means that a simple add function will produce an inflated count. Not sure how to work around that, but feel free to review {{ oceania-hotel-stub}} as an example. Dawynn ( talk) 18:46, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
I have made a number of changes, based on these reports. I'd like to see them run again, when you have a chance. (Even if the count issue is not fixed) Dawynn ( talk) 12:44, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
Remind me: can a list be a stub, or not? An editor/bot has recently tagged a whole lot of lists as stubs: I had thought that a list could not be a stub, but can't find chapter and verse to support this and am suddenly wondering. Pam D 14:38, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
File:Example.jpgVipul Pratap Singh was born in 24 May 1984 and is the elder child of smt.Vijay Laxmi and Shri.R.B.Atal(doctor). She spent her early childhood at the Lucknow
Career He had completed bachelor in pharmacy from "UPTU" Uttar pradesh jhansi.after completion of cource completed Pharma management and administration degree After completed research training in clinical trail where they learn the clinical pathological remedies.now day he is working in ORGANIC INDIA as executive scientist -- 223.189.100.138 ( talk) 18:29, 17 September 2011 (UTC)www.vipulhealthclub.spruz.com
The Europe rail transport stub does not work. Neither "Europe-rail-stub" or "Europe-rail-transport-stub" as given in the stub article work; I tried to use both for ASVi museum. Hugo999 ( talk) 22:27, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
Not too familiar with stub creation process so I wonder if someone could kindly add {{ Scotland-Olympic-medalist-stub}} to your discovery page. Created by Mais oui! ( talk · contribs) without recourse to Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals, it needs careful consideration as Scotland is not an Olympic nation. Tim! ( talk) 07:18, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
United States Army, SFC Retired — Preceding unsigned comment added by Girard01 ( talk • contribs) 20:20, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Stub type sizes provides a monthly list of all stub categories. Where could one find a list of all stub templates? 216.188.204.25 ( talk) 12:42, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
Nevermind. Found what I was looking for: Category:Stub message boxes. 216.188.204.25 ( talk) 16:57, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
United States Army, SFC Retired — Preceding unsigned comment added by Girard01 ( talk • contribs) 20:20, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Stub type sizes provides a monthly list of all stub categories. Where could one find a list of all stub templates? 216.188.204.25 ( talk) 12:42, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
Nevermind. Found what I was looking for: Category:Stub message boxes. 216.188.204.25 ( talk) 16:57, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
We have {{
Italy-music-bio-stub}}
, which categorises into both
Category:Italian people stubs and
Category:Music biography stubs; and we have {{
Italy-musician-stub}}
, which categorises into
Category:Italian musician stubs. Is there some subtle distinction that should be noted on the relevant cat pages? --
Redrose64 (
talk) 18:16, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
See template:Nuclide-stub. -- Redrose64 ( talk) 12:01, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
Hi! Can someone tell me whether there is a minimum size for stub categories below which {{ popstub}} is added? I always thought it was 30, but I can't find the relevant page. The template was recently added to Category:Systemic hormonal preparation stubs (after I had removed it) which has 48 entries. I think it's unlikely that more than a couple of additional articles will turn up in the near future. Thanks -- ἀνυπόδητος ( talk) 10:11, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
Please see this discussion. Its an August discussion that needs clarification of a typo before closing the discussion. Dawynn ( talk) 18:51, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
The stub category has been full of entries for a good month, not least since a particular editor had a blitz of creating stubs (consisting largely of a scatter of google hits) in early December. But the category is now empty - User:KConWiki did a blitz overnight and I finished it off just now. It won't stay empty for long but will be less dispiriting now that we've sorted all of that batch of well-intended trash. Pam D 10:12, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
We could really use an administrator to come help clear the Deletion log. We have requests dating back to November that need a final decision and processing. Dawynn ( talk) 15:09, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
Could someone please review the logic behind Category:Stub message boxes needing attention? There are several templates marked as either containing Non-existent categories, or Category names that don't end with Stubs. These seem to be misflagged, as the templates do not reflect either of these issues. (The Broken image tags all seem correct, and I've been correcting those) Dawynn ( talk) 11:55, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
stubs
which causes one extra character to be counted, so that the technique
Hey, I recently came across the Libya-judo-bio-stub, and I was wondering why it even exists? It is only on one page, and from what I can tell, that isn't going to change any time soon. Putting the under the Libya-sport-bio-stub category would seem to make more sense, seeing as there are only twenty in that stub category it isn't overly large. I was just wondering if there was another reason for it to exist. Thanks in advance! Jeancey ( talk) 20:41, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
{{
Libya-sport-bio-stub}}
be better? Why not {{
Africa-judo-bio-stub}}
instead? The person fits both, after all. The template {{
Libya-judo-bio-stub}}
covers the
intersection of those, and I imagine that it was created for that very reason - to avoid the need to put both {{
Africa-judo-bio-stub}}
and {{
Libya-sport-bio-stub}}
onto articles. Although there is only one current use, the template was created in 2008, when there may have been many more than one candidate for its use. --
Redrose64 (
talk) 21:32, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
While I understand that ROC-related stubs are most likely going to be taken care of by Taiwan-based editors or editors interested in Taiwan-related topics, it is going to be problematic to have 'Taiwan' shown in articles unrelated to Taiwan, and it possibly violates existing NPOV policies which stipulate that 'Republic of China' should be used for anything related to the ROC yet unrelated to Taiwan. These include geo-stubs and road-stubs related to locations on Kinmen, Matsu, Wuchiu, Pratas, bio-stubs related to ROC generals and marshals who have never set foot on Taiwan, university-stubs for universities that were not re-established in Taiwan after 1949, and so on and so forth. Should this be solved by having a separate set of ROC-something-stub templates, or by adding an option in the Taiwan-something stub templates so that 'Republic of China' instead of 'Taiwan' will be shown in the tagged articles? 203.98.184.99 ( talk) 16:10, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
From the look of Tree planting bar, either {{ forestry-stub}} or {{ tool-stub}} has something the matter with their spacing - there's a gap between the two as displayed. Someone might like to take a look and fix one of them? Thanks. Pam D 14:04, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
The WikiProject Report would like to focus on WikiProject Stub Sorting for a Signpost article. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, here are the questions for the interview. Just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Multiple editors will have an opportunity to respond to the interview questions. If you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please share this with them. Have a great day. - Mabeenot ( talk) 23:40, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
Typing {{England-Test-cricket-bio-stub}} produces a Category called "England Test Crickter stubs", which is apparently on 141 different articles. Whether we need such a category (no other cricketing nation has such a stub category) is one point; more obviously, we should spell "cricketer" correctly. When I tried to make this do that, it spat it back at me, so I've brought it here. Johnlp ( talk) 08:49, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
Could someone please look into how this page is generated? I noticed, even on the first day it was posted, several of the page counts seemed to be way off (more significantly than would occur through normal editing). In fact, the first two categories listed have negative article counts. Dawynn ( talk) 12:27, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
Please add the "category type" and "WikiProject" parameters to template {{ Parent-only stub category}} to bring it in line with the main {{ Stub category}} template. Dawynn ( talk) 23:02, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
{{ Illinois-geo-stub}} seems unseemly large. The current picture (changed in June 2011 to the current one) leaves a huge amount of whitespace.
See this triple instance:
76.65.128.198 ( talk) 11:52, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
All articles tagged with the folliowing 3 stubs end up in the same (too large) stub category:
Just wondering why that is. Thanks in advance Ottawahitech ( talk) 23:43, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
I don't think we have ever created a category about living people who live in a particular area. That's too high maintenance. Even the non-stub categories don't keep track of where living people are residing. But, based on this conversation, I started to fill out the {{ Washington-bio-stub}}, and found that the topic was greatly undersorted. There is now a Category:Washington (state) people stubs. I based my tagging on people born in the state of Washington. There is also a sub-category about Washington politicians, which I'm sure is based more on whether the politician represented the state of Washington, regardless of where the person was born. Dawynn ( talk) 10:40, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
I'm trying to find the source of the scope guideline of 60 articles for a stub. I realize the number has to be set somewhere, but how was 60 met, and are there exceptions? For example, Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting lists Category:Virginia geography stubs in Category:Overpopulated stub categories. Virginia has 95 counties and 40 independent cities that are essentially the same as counties, thus there could be 135 stubs. Only 17 have over the 50-page deletion guideline. That leaves 118 potential categories that are instead merged into the parent category of Virginia geography stubs. Say each of those stubs has only 10 associated articles, that would mean 1,180 pages going into Category:Virginia geography stubs. Another example of a category desperately in need of subcats is Category:United States history stubs with 623 pages, plus subcategories for US history books, US military history, and Old West. That category has everything from colonial settlements to Cold War tactics. My interest is in working on those stubs pertaining to the American Founding. I don't recognize on sight every article that touches on that time period, and with 623 it's time-consuming to click every link.
WP:DIFFUSE does not give a limit to the size of categories, leaving only the guidance on the banner, "subcategories may be helpful for browsing." If we are ok with Virginia geography stubs having 800 plus articles, that's cool with me. Category:American films has over 24,000 pages, but it also has 21 subcategories to help navigation. Leaving 800 pages in Virginia geography stubs does not make it easy for someone who might want to expand related articles. Say an editor wants to expand articles related to {cl|Spotsylvania County, Virginia geography stubs}}, 39 page listings will get lost among 800.
One possibility is to break up the county stubs into categories for region, which is partially in place. Still Category:Northern Virginia geography stubs has only 106 pages, while Category:Southwest Virginia geography stubs has 294. Also, those counties in the regional categories Would an exception be advantageous to editors in cases where stub categories have high cumulative article count? When a stub category has a large and wide variety of pages, there needs to a better system of identifying what those stubs really are. Cheers. Encycloshave ( talk) 19:14, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
{{
verylargestub}}
template on it. These are added manually,
as here. --
Redrose64 (
talk) 20:26, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
There is discussion at Wikipedia_talk:HotCat#Hotcat_putting_cats_in_wrong_place_.28below_not_above_stub.29. Pam D 23:36, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
Stub categories were sorted under µ in [3] in 2005. µ was chosen at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Stub sorting/Archive 6#Very unhappy with over promotion of stub-categories with the rationale: How about using µ, as in "micro-articles"? Quote from Micro: "More generally, the prefix means 'very small'. However, a change in the category software means that lower case letters in other alphabets are now displayed as upper case in category headings. The lower case Greek µ is displayed as the upper case Greek version Μ which looks like a Latin M. See for example Category:Sport in Serbia. The Greek Μ sorts after the Latin letters but it's confusing that it looks like the Latin letter, and the association with micro is lost. In fact the Latin M means mega- which signals the opposite of stubs. Here are some links showing the confusion with the Latin letter: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Stub sorting/Archive 16#Categorization of stub categories, Template talk:Stub category#Sorting, Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Wayward letter heading on category page. I think the character should be changed to something still sorting after Latin letters but not looking like a Latin letter. I suggest Σ ( sigma) because it carries the 'S' sound as in stub. Σ is used for summation in mathematics. It can be discussed whether this association is good or bad, but most people probably don't know that meaning anyway. PrimeHunter ( talk) 13:23, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
{{
other}}
has to do with this. --
Redrose64 (
talk) 16:47, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
{{DEFAULTSORT:Liberty Head Nickel}}
(as seen on
Liberty Head nickel) would not be required. An effect of this was that sortkeys beginning "a", "b" and "c" would now sort with "A", "B" and "C" instead of after "X", "Y" and "Z" as previous. This means that 26 letter headings are now needed for Latin letters, instead of 52. Greek letters always sorted after Latin, and suffered from the same problem: "
α", "
β" and "
γ" sorted after "
Χ" "
Ψ" "
Ω", but now sort with "
Α" "
Β" "
Γ". The databases took several days to rebuild, which is why the initial problems described at
Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 87#categorically random categories appeared. It was known at the time that its effects would be irreversible, so no, it's not going to be changed back. --
Redrose64 (
talk) 13:56, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
See this version of Jennifer McLagan for problem stub format for {{ chef-bio-stub}}. Same effect from {{ food-bio-stub}}. Haven't tried {{ drink-bio-stub}}, the third of the batch listed at Category:Food and drink biography stubs, but I suspect it's the same. Could someone who knows about format of stub templates have a look at these? Thanks. Pam D 09:59, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
{{
Canada-writer-stub}}
. This template had blank lines between the }}
and the <noinclude>
- it's not always appreciated that the <noinclude>...</noinclude>
part is stripped after the template is transcluded - so those blank lines remain in place. It's a common problem which is easily fixed -
see here. --
Redrose64 (
talk) 14:21, 19 March 2012 (UTC)I'm new to Wikipedia. I'm interested in adding stub tags to pages in Spanish Wikipedia, and I haven't found the way to do it.
Then I found the following, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Stub, saying that "stubs are supposed to be recognized by the user" in Spanish pages without any notice.
I don't agree, and I'm interested in adding stub notices, probably with a differently worded template, to articles in Spanish.
-- Tender prey ( talk) 11:39, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
{{
editprotected}}
It has been suggested that stub categories should be hidden. Please comment at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 April 6#Category:Stub categories. -- Redrose64 ( talk) 10:14, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
Sorry if this is a stupid question, but I couldn't find an answer in any of the usual places. What are the rules/conventions on closing stub sorting discussions? How long should you wait, for speedy and for non-speedy? Is it different for proposals vs deletions vs discoveries? Should you be an admin or some other role? Is closing your own nominations frowned on, encouraged following consensus, or neither? -- Qetuth ( talk) 22:58, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
This does seem to be something that the proposal page should address. I was wondering about the procedure myself. Step 5 5 days after listing it here, if there is general approval or no objection, go ahead and create the new category and/or template following the format on Wikipedia:Stub. List the new stub type on the stub types list in an appropriate section. If consensus is not clear, or discussion is still ongoing, the proposal will remain open until consensus can be reached. That last sentence provides little guidance where there is no comment at all. With regard to who does or should do the closing, comments at Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions#Who can close requested moves may be well advised. -- Bejnar ( talk) 01:50, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
I've just stub-sorted Al-Sadiqiyyah High School and note that we have a lot of African school templates but not yet one for Tunisia. I was about to try and create one modelled on {{ Libya-school-stub}} etc, but was reminded by the message there that "Please propose new stub templates and categories here before creation.", linking to Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals, which then talks only about proposing new stub categories. So I'm not clear what the procedure is for proposing a new stub template in an existing pattern of such templates. Advice, please! Pam D 17:00, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
{{
Tunisia-school-stub}}
. New categories may be ignored if you like; the stub template is likely to be set up to categorise under both
Category:African school stubs and
Category:Tunisia stubs. If there are a large number of suitable articles, we might create a special category as was done for
Category:South African school stubs. --
Redrose64 (
talk) 18:57, 13 April 2012 (UTC)Hello! I'm a wikipedian and I also do some edit in Chinese Wikipedia. I think the template {{ stub}} should be improved. In Chinese Wikipedia, there's a picture in that template. I think it's a really good idea for readers to distinguish this template from other words. However, there's no photos like that in that of English Wikipedia! As a result, I think wikipedians who has the power to edit protected pages should add a similar picture in that template. -- Jack No1 ( talk) 15:38, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
OK, maybe you're right. Different Wikipedia have different policy. -- Jack No1 ( talk) 05:39, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
A new report has been created, it is Wikipedia:Database reports/Dubious stub categories. Comments, suggestions etc. should initially be made at User talk:MZMcBride#Sidenote. Pending potential refinement, I've not carried out any action based on the report output. -- Redrose64 ( talk) 12:07, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
See
Wikipedia:Bot requests#Bot for Women.27s History project stubs. All the best.
Rich
Farmbrough, 02:12, 6 May 2012 (UTC).(Using some automation)
Need someone with experience with auto-generated reports to investigate. This report did not refresh for January:
Can we please correct the issue so that we can get back to monthly updates? Dawynn ( talk) 10:57, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
Would it be worth splitting out
and maybe
Rich
Farmbrough, 02:25, 6 May 2012 (UTC).(Using some automation)
Feel free to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Stub types for deletion#Do we really need this deletion discussion category?. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 12:58, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
Are there any tools that would let us mass-update a list of articles? Could come in real helpful, especially when trying to tackle some of these overpopulated categories. Would be nice to have a tool that could take a provided list of articles, and search for a specified text sequence, and replace it with a different text sequence. Current example in Category:Beetle stubs. For every article that starts with "Mordellistina" (I could fairly easily drop them to a text list), change all occurrences of "[[Category:Mordellidae]]" to "[[Category:Mordellistena]]" and all occurrences of "{{beetle-stub}}" to "{{Mordellistena-stub}}". This is just one example. I'm certain such a tool would have many, many uses. Dawynn ( talk) 20:47, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
Category:WikiProject Motorcycling stubs has 2 members;
Category:Motorcycle stubs has 663 members. Those in
Category:Motorcycle stubs are also in
Category:WikiProject Motorcycling stubs because of the way that {{
Motorcycle-stub}}
is constructed. Thoughts? --
Redrose64 (
talk) 18:30, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
[[Category:WikiProject Motorcycling stubs]]
out of {{
Motorcycle-stub}}
and add it to
Category:Motorcycle stubs. That will make
Category:Motorcycle stubs into a sub-cat of
Category:WikiProject Motorcycling stubs --
Redrose64 (
talk) 09:24, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
I think I'm feeling a sense of deja vu after reading the previous post. My questions are along the same line.
{{
2010s-sf-novel-stub}}
is transcluded 10 times, so it's not yet used widely enough to warrant a dedicated sub-cat. However, the possibility that more sf novels will be written between now and 2019 is quite high, so this number is likely to increase. When it gets to about 60 or so, all we should need to do is amend the |category=
and |category1=
parameters in {{
2010s-sf-novel-stub}}
and create the category.{{
sf-novel-stub}}
, and no decade-specific stub templates, it's more difficult to assess which decades may be required. Under such a system, if we do decide to create the sub-cat, we also need to create the new stub template, and put it onto 60+ articles in replacement of {{
sf-novel-stub}}
. This will be 62+ edits, as opposed to the two required by the present system. --
Redrose64 (
talk) 20:44, 12 July 2012 (UTC)In the course of closing a recent discussion at WP:CFD, I came across Template:Buddhist-temple-stub and two questions which I could not answer:
Thank you, -- Black Falcon ( talk) 03:41, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
Several templates associated with the WP:SFD and WP:WSS/D processses have been nominated for deletion, see Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2012 July 24#Template:Sfd top. -- Redrose64 ( talk) 15:40, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
I have found a lot of articles that are listed as Stubs either for a project or with a stub tag that to me are not stubs. One example is Chinquapin Airport. This to me looks like a start class article but before I start changing them en masse and what could easily turn into an editing dispute I was hoping for some clarification. Would this type of article with an infobox, an image, decent structure, categories, portal links, some references with what appears to me to be a pretty good start towards an article reasonably be considered a Start to anyone but me? Kumioko ( talk) 23:17, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
We have this report that lists long articles with stub tags. Is there anything for short articles that do not have stub tags? Not sure where to draw the line on this, but maybe the opposite direction is the way to go. Can we identify the 1000 smallest articles that do not contain any stub tags? And can we create such a report on a weekly basis, just like we do for the long stub articles? Dawynn ( talk) 13:41, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
Many stub categories have very long intros listing alternate stub tags that could be used. Examples are Category:India stubs or Category:American sportspeople stubs. These seem to be focused too much on stub sorters and getting in the way of what should be our target audience for these categories: Editors looking for articles they might be able to expand. These lists are in cases (like India) taking up more of the page than the actual list of stubs in the category does. Also, their value as a list of subcategories is now redundant to the automatically generated (and hence always up to date) Subcategories section.
Looking for a better answer than "They're too long, we should prune them", I think the more expansive lists in roots of major trees (such as country or occupation roots) should maybe be made collapsible and hidden by default. Now I think of it, is there a way to give them a consistent name like id=stublist to let stub sorters use their own css to make the lists display by default? -- Qetuth ( talk) 06:17, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
I've started a discussion at the Village Pump about AWB's auto-tagging; one of the issues raised is whether AWB should automatically add or remove stub tags. That's really only a sub-point I've tacked onto my main proposal, but I felt I should notify you for completion's sake. DoctorKubla ( talk) 07:44, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
I'd like to ask whether there is a method of creating a multi-stub template that would accept as arguments a list of other stub templates? I.e. is there a way of consolidating a stack of stub templates into a single template? (Another option could be for the multi-stub template to default to the normal stub template in the case where there is a single argument.) I'm not sure if this is even possible given current tools, but I do think it would help tidy things up a bit and allow for longer lists of stubs in an elegant manner. Regards, RJH ( talk) 15:50, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
There's a discussion at Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#AWB_auto-tagging of proposals including "AWB should not automatically add or remove the "stub" tag - this is also a matter of judgement, to be decided on a case-by-case basis". Stub specialists might like to contribute. Pam D 20:35, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
See discussion at Wikipedia_talk:AutoWikiBrowser/Bugs#AWB_tagging_short_lists_as_stubs_-_should_add_.7B.7Bexpand_list.7D.7D and User_talk:Hmains#Lists_are_not_stubs. Pam D 19:55, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
Template:Sfd relist top and Template:Sfd relist bottom have been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the templates' entry on the Templates for discussion page. DH85868993 ( talk) 12:23, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
There is an active discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Stub#Can_lists_be_stubs.3F. -- Magioladitis ( talk) 19:11, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
I've lost the guideline that says that the subcats of a stub cat must themselves be stub cats. In other words, the one that says that it's inappropriate for Category:Stub-class Foo articles
to be a sub category of Category:Foo stubs
. See
User talk:Montanabw#Stub-Class equine articles. --
Redrose64 (
talk) 19:49, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
Actually, we do have an equestrian-bio-stub, but it doesn't get used a lot. Could one of you demonstrate what you mean by editing the equine/horse cat so I can see the concept in action? I guess my confusion is what difference there is between stub evaluation and stub categories, seems like the goal of both is to flag and expand stubs, but the only difference I see is that one goes into project categorization, usually posted on the talk page and the other is a flag in the article space ... ? Montanabw (talk) 22:57, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
I've just had a discussion with an editor who has expressed concern at the lack of any response to stub proposals, given that editors are recommended not to boldly create stubs and stub types but to wait for approval from this project. (He had created a {{ camping-stub}} and corresponding category, and I cleaned it up a bit for him as well as listing it at Proposals). Is anyone doing anything to the backlog?
No, I'm not interested in taking on the work myself: I'm not convinced that the formal structures of this project are actually sensible, though I keep on stub-sorting in the meantime. I had several days off-wiki lately and was disappointed to see that some of the same stubs were in Category:Stubs when I returned - perhaps lots of stub-sorters are on holiday?. Or is this project just gently collapsing for lack of interest, in which case we need to tell the world so. Pam D 09:08, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
Should all stub categories be in cat Stub categories? or should some subcategories, subsubcats, and so on (nested) not be there?
P.S. I have "bannered" Category talk: Stub categories for this project. The one recent question asks about search. I don't know how well /Stub types may serve the purpose. -- P64 ( talk) 23:06, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
At Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Layout#Swapping_order_of_categories_and_stub_templates there is a discussion about the order of categories and stub templates where an editor has suggested considering the elimination of all stub templates. I've suggested that they pursue that discussion at Wikipedia talk:Stub instead. Pam D 07:02, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
See also now Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Eliminate_stub_templates_completely. Pam D 06:52, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
Since I can't make a new subpage, and September is missing, someone should check out these which don't seem to have been proposed:
-- 76.65.131.248 ( talk) 05:48, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
I have been trying to standardise the sortkey prefixes on the stub category tree. A survey made it appear that the system in most places was to use '*' for locations, and ' ' otherwise, so that geographical divisions are listed seperate from other divisions, so that is what I have been spreading around (UK and HK did the opposite, as did a few other little islands of resistance, such as every second branch of scientists). I have ignored "Stubs by foo" cats as there seemed no popular standard, and ignored categories by century/decade for the same reason. Now I'm looking at the Category:Animal stubs tree and every branch seems to use a different system - not only that, but there is often two or three types of subcategory it would be good not to mix, but neither is locational.
So I propose the following guide, to be refined and published somewhere in the stub sorting instructions:
Any thoughts? -- Qetuth ( talk) 09:08, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
I'm trying to find a script like HotCat but for stub types to quickly and easily search for and add specific stub types to articles. Does such a thing exist? I searched around and didn't turn anything up. -- Batard0 ( talk) 16:28, 26 September 2012 (UTC)