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After a merge discussion, I've transformed the stand alone project to Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Shannara task force. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast ( talk) 20:21, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Just to let everyone know, a university class is in the final stretch of their attempt to get a series of novel articles up to GA and GA status. They are doing very well. Starting from scratch for the most part, they are working on:
Choose any article, if you wish, and jump right in. Some articles are at the cusp of FA, some are in GA nomination, and some are still being built up to a GA candidate. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast ( talk) 02:22, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
With the additions of the new subprojects, are there any intentions of maybe adding material to the Novels banner to accomodate the new subprojects, and if yes, what sort of "display" should the template have, that of the Australia project at Talk:Sydney, always displaying the subprojects, or that of Military history like at Talk:World War II, with an optional display? John Carter ( talk) 22:38, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Is it wrong to have references to the original novels themselves? (See Border Legion)...Considering that there are virtually no references to Shannara on the Internet outside of fansites, that's what I did.......Which is why I'm asking. =D the_ed17 02:16, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
One of the reasons I'm rather willing to adjust the banner for the various task forces is the fact that Portal:Narnia didn't have a selected article for April when I just now looked. I'm fairly sure there is sufficient content to make that portal a possible FP. Would the members of the project have any reservations about maybe making that one of the objectives to be listed in the April newsletter, not necessarily for this month, but maybe starting a portal review and going from there? Maybe trying to "improve" some of the related portals, and there are a lot of them, might be an objective. I could help deliver the newsletter myself, if someone could update the members count (which I don't understand) I could deliver it. John Carter ( talk) 13:21, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
As many of you know, getting FA status is, well, difficult. Generally, it requires a good deal of ongoing consistent input from a dedicated editor. Many or most articles ain't going to get that degree of attention. I know from the biography project that assessment is useful, but A-Class review, possibly with useful commentary, would probably help this project develop articles to the point that GA or FA isn't too much of an additional step as well. The down side is very few people are interested enough or have the time to do such reviews. Would there be enough interest in reviewing for A-Class to start something similar here? John Carter ( talk) 13:27, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
I've noticed that there don't seem to be devoted groups related to some of what might be called the "minor" genres of fiction, including Westerns, Romance, Spy, Gothic, Campus and what might be called Adventure (Rafael Sabatini, and the like), and possibly one for major literary series as a whole (The Saint, Nero Wolfe, Asimov's Robots and Foundation, and the like). I'm not sure if there is sufficient interest in setting up the project banner to provide "genre" parameters to help with these subjects though. Any other opinions? John Carter ( talk) 14:21, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Anyone know how to activate the bot to do the category count at Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Members/StatsGraph. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast ( talk) 21:30, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
I removed the Australia task force from the main page. It was folded into the Wikipedia:WikiProject Australian literature. -- maclean 04:26, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
The Australian task force does not need to go; it is a "feed" into the literature project and advertising the task force and the project are one and the same. Work being done for less thatn no reason. Let's cooperate here rather than fight needlessly. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/ (Desk) 15:30, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Hello everybody, my name is Debbie, and I'm glad to join your community ))
The above named project is tagged as inactive, and has a scope which already pretty explicitly falls within the scope of this project. I would Support a merger. John Carter ( talk) 17:07, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
There's an old request to populate the Category:Science fantasy. Anyone who can do so should feel free to do so. John Carter ( talk) 17:36, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
I know that this can be a potentially divisive matter, and somewhat hesitate to mention it. However, the project banner now includes the possibility of separate assessments for importance for the main project and each of the other subprojects which use the banner. I think it might help draw a bit of attention to the various subprojects if they, like the main project did some time ago, created a page where consensus regarding the importance rankings for that group could be established. Also, it might help draw a bit of attention to what seems to me to be the often regrettable lack of content relating to certain particular subjects. As I remember, Oliver Onions' story " The Beckoning Fair One" is counted as being one of the most important short stories of the horror genre, and has a separate four-page entry in the Masterplots short story books. We still don't have an article on it. Any stories or novels which qualify as "top" importance within a given field would probably get at least a bit more attention from the members of that subproject, which wouldn't hurt. Also, it might help prompt greater discussion regarding the separate subprojects in general. Anyway, just a thought. John Carter ( talk) 16:10, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
One thing that can be a bit of a problem is keeping up with new articles created. It is possible to place a bot request to tag all articles that fall in a given set of categories for a given project, thus allowing the group to keep up with the articles created. I've created a list of subcategories of the four genre projects at User:John Carter/Novels. If anyone wants to review the list to see if they think any of the categories don't qualify, and we can send the final list out for automatic tagging. John Carter ( talk) 00:12, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
List of Species in Redwall is an article that gets very little attention outside fans of the series. While I believe the article is notable as per WP:FICT, the article is currently a morass of indiscriminate info. I've tried to clean it up, but I've run out of ideas on what to do with it and am involved in some other stuff now. I thought I would bring it to the project's attention in case there was anyone with the inclination to give pointer, guidelines, or just plain old step in and help. McJeff ( talk) 01:36, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
I came across an editor who just added an external link to WikiSummaries (a wiki comprised of novel summaries), to a number of Wikipedia novel articles. Aside from spamlink issues (the WP editor has edited a number of the WikiSummaries articles), I don't think a link to an unvetted, unsupervised website containing very detailed plot summaries that seem to violate Wikipedia's fiction Fair Use policy is desirable on WP fiction articles.
The website has no policies or guidelines regarding contributions, so there's no assurance of avoiding in-universe problems. Also, the summaries contain no sourced analysis or much real-world perspective. Of additional interest, is that the website has a drive on to link its articles to Wikipedia's novel articles. It even has an assignment list for its editors to check off as links are made. Here's the pitch:
Wikipedia has many, many articles on books, but virtually none of them have detailed summaries of the books' individual chapters. Below is a list of the articles where WikiSummaries may compliment Wikipedia. If you feel that the readers of a listed Wikipedia article could benefit further by WikiSummaries then copy the line of code provided, go to the appropriate Wikipedia page (which will be linked on this page) and paste it in that articles "External Links" section. When you do that, then please return to this page and remove the link from the list.
I started reverting the links, but stopped to obtain some other viewpoints.
Jim Dunning |
talk 00:18, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
I think it would be great to have a Grey Griffins task force to expand the huge world of the Grey Griffins in general(Including TCG and artciles about creatures featured throughout the books). If i can get some fellow Grey Griffin fans to reply we may be able to work together to start a new task force. King Rock Go 'Skins! 00:58, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Several articles, among which Lilith (Novel) is one, cite prominantly their appearence certain (later) collections. It seems to me that this debases the work's importance in favor of the importance of the collection. Is there a pollice on this? Any thoughts? An extended discussion of the merits and problems of this practice appears on the discussion page of Lilith.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.245.57.35 ( talk • contribs)
Thank you for the rapid response. I have a quesiton. If I can show that Hamlet has sold more copies in a Dover Publication than any other, would this then warrent me mentioning in the article on Hamlet that "Its importance was recognized after its apperence in the Dover Thrift series"? Or, is it the case that whatever edition of the Bible has been the most distributed is then de facto deserving of a similar note? I am simply making a case for a standard of merit rather then mere factual accuracy.
Actually I am not making a straw man argument. I am in no way misrepresenting my opponent's position. I aknowledge my opponent's have taken up two positions: first they claimed that adding the note about Lilith's apperence in the Ballintine Adult Fantasy Series shows the importance of Lilith (novel). When I explained that important novels (or works) do not benifit from such citation notes, then my opponent's line of arguemnt changed and they claimed that Lilith (novel) did in fact need such a citation , as it was not important enough to stand alone. So my resonses to my opponent's positions have taken two forms. The first was an argument on principle (i.e. the connection between the importance of a work and its appearence in a collection). In order to make this point I tried to take cases which were very clear (i.e. Hamlet, The Bible). If we can look at these cases and see how we are inclined to act in such cases then we can analogusly figure out how to act appropreatly in less clear cases, such as that of Lilith (novel). This could be called arguing from the greater to the less, or arguing from extrapolation, or arguing from the logical extent of a dicision, but it is not a straw man argument (particularly as the moving parts of the arguemnt do not even address my opponent's position). My response to the second line of argument given is not principaled but factual/historical. Whether or not Lilith had been "forgotten" before its appearence in the Ballentine collection is a matter of research. Indeed part of this work has been done by one of my opponent's locating of the publication history of Lilith (novel). This is a step in the right direction, but I do not think that it is conclusive. I think that there are other ways to check the status of the novel in the public consciousness, and I am busy looking into those. Certainly what I said was correct that the popularity if Chesterton, Tollkin, and Lewis has helped to keep the novel arround. This line of argument is a lot of things but it is also not a straw man. It might be the case that this discussion has just gone on too long, and that I am out voted, yet I do not want my positions to be mischaracterized. In my opinion, this is just the kind of issue that strikes at the heart of what a project like Wikipedia can do. The resolution of such concerns will reveal the limits of what a democratic baised knowledge project can do. That is not to say that the issue should be resolved here and now, but that the discussion is worth having.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.245.57.35 ( talk • contribs)
This is very very bad or at least it is to me. Orange Mike a very good admin has decided that the Fall of the Templar is non-notable and so are the other books of the grey hrif series. Tell me if i'm wrong here, but if you think Orange Mike is wrong contest the first of the three deletions at The Fall of the Templar page King Rock Go 'Skins! 21:17, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
A proposal to add a symbol identifying Good Articles in a similar manner to Featured ones is being discussed: see Wikipedia talk:Good articles#Proposal. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast ( talk) 19:03, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
Grey Griffins has been nominated for GA status, please help edit the article quickly before the assesment starts and add your comments to the assesment. King Rock Go 'Skins! 18:59, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
Please leave some advice at the Grey Griffins peer review page so that i can kniw what I must do to get the article to GA status. King Rock Go 'Skins! 21:51, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
I haven't seen this mentioned here, but there's yet another discussion going on at WP:NOT here which is basically a variation of the old "unless it's Moby Dick we don't want to hear about it on Wikipedia". Incidentally, while skimming the debate I see that the article on Winston Smith - a major character in 20th Century literature - somehow fails WP:NOT and as such might be merged with another article. Just a heads up for anyone who wants to try and rescue it. 23skidoo ( talk) 23:41, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
I've recently taken Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Assessment under my wing and have noticed the assessment request section receives a fair amount of traffic. I get the feeling, however, that most of the users who submit articles they have worked on for reassessment are fairly new and unable to grasp what makes a novel article Stub, Start or B. The run-of-the-mill Quality scale does not use novel articles for examples, nor are the descriptions tailored for works of fiction. I also feel the prose is a little too wordy and confusing for new users.
Therefore, I propose a reworking of the scale, using novel articles as specific examples as well as describing what is expected at each stage. Because others may have different views of what makes a certain quality of article, here is some brainstorming for what I had in mind as far as specific criteria:
Thoughts/suggestions? María ( habla con migo) 17:33, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
I am fairly new to wikipedia and in reviewing WP:NOVPR, I ended up looking at Earth Abides, and in this article there is a Public reaction section where an overview of the book reviews on amazon.com are given with some snippets of specific reviews comments entered into the article. This seemed to me to be a reasonable section for a novel article to give an overview of the public reaction to a book. I recently read Children of God (novel) so I created a similar section in that article which was reverted today [1] with the comment "a mere internet discussion forum like the Amazon reviews board would not qualify for being used in Wikipedia." So I am here looking for some opinions on whether a Public reaction section like the one in Earth Abides is suitable for inclusion in an novel article. Thanks -- Captain-tucker ( talk) 16:53, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Hey, all! Why not update your entries on Wikipedia:What I am reading at the moment? Deb ( talk) 19:54, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Done with re-formatting; I used subheaders to make the usernames stand out more, and added a subscript with a timestamp so people can easily come back and update their entries if they wish. I also added the 5-star scale instructions at the top, since users may want to rate the books they have read. What do think? María ( habla con migo) 13:45, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
I have recently requested a peer review on the Nero Wolfe article. Any and all input on what the article might need to help get it to GA, and then maybe FA, would be more than welcome. Thank you. John Carter ( talk) 14:44, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
Thought you all might be interested in maybe getting Igor and maybe another bot that generates a list of all the articles tagged by a given project with quality tags here. John Carter ( talk) 20:12, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
This article is currently under GAN, anyone and everyone is welcome to review the article(see notes on GAN page for reason why the article has been nominated. King Rock Go 'Skins! 02:51, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
The article says Xavier Cugat did the cover. It was not. IT was his brother Francis. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.64.111.126 ( talk • contribs) 14:36, 16 May 2008
I'm going to periodically report current Featured and Good Article nominations. Hopefully, these notices will alert interested members of where reviewers/commentators are needed in regards to potentially higher-quality articles within our project. Anyone can comment during these reviewing processes, but be aware that this isn't a vote; articles are being judged according to specific criteria, so please do your homework first! See the Featured article criteria page for more info.
Current novel-related Featured Article candidates:
María ( habla con migo) 15:27, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
There is mention with the obsession with the taking of revenge with the Officer by walking down the street and having to move around him. In fact what the "Underground Man" does is CLose His Eyes while walking toward the Officer and the officer does not not notice but he had moved aside for the Underground Man. Thus symbolizing the lack of awareness(consciousness) by the closing of the eyes, as reason for the ability hold steady in his path.
If you a bumping taking place - which you have described - please let me know of the translation.
jisaacflores@hotmail.com
I think that a historical fiction task force would be a great thing and have submitted a request for it on the appropriate page. If you agree with me, please document your support on said page. Thanks, The man in the mask ( talk) 22:30, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
There was severe vandalism to the plot summary section of the article on Gary Blackwell's novel, The Shakespeare Stealer. I have reverted the article to an earlier version, but the plot summary is incomplete. I am on a vandalism patrol right now and do not have time to rewrite the article. I would be most appreciative of anyone who would improve the aforementioned section.
I notice that literary magazines such as Lapham's Quarterly, The Paris Review, The New York Review of Books and The Times Literary Supplement are not being covered by any projects. Maybe they should be added under one of our projects, but which one ? Boylo ( talk) 05:35, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Is there any chance we could get a Category like this made? Right now they are all in the Cat: novel articles without infoboxes. Novel infoboxes and short story infoboxes while they share many of the same things are completely different beasts to research and get information for. The short story infoboxes being much harder and taking much longer. It would help in pruning down the amount of work in the novel category if we could do this Thanxs Jask99 ( talk) 03:58, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
Salavat ( talk) 15:34, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
A request for comment has been made to determine if the Wikipedia:Notability (fiction) proposal has consensus. Since this project deals with many fictional topics, I am commenting here. Input on the proposal is welcome here. -- Pixelface ( talk) 01:25, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Currently, 3675 articles assigned to this project, or 18.2%, are flagged for cleanup of some sort. (Data as of 18 June 2008.) Are you interested in finding out more? I am offering to generate cleanup to-do lists on a project or work group level. See User:B. Wolterding/Cleanup listings for details. If you want to respond to this canned message, please do so at my user talk page. -- B. Wolterding ( talk) 12:32, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
The listing can be found at Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Cleanup listing and the link is posted at the bottom of the main page. This is very helpful! I hope to do some much needed cleaning up and encourage others to do the same. :) María ( habla con migo) 12:41, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
I recently created a new infobox for novel series, as I was not satisfied with Infobox Book series. While this two templates overlap somewhat, I wanted to have a template that was much more consistent with Infobox Book. I also didn't think I could edit Infobox Book series without disrupting a lot of pages, and I did notice that it was in some cases used for graphic novels and comic books (which, incidentally, should probably use Infobox Graphic novel).
Any comments or suggestions for improvement are welcome. Mr. Absurd ( talk) 03:29, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
In case anyone has missed the news, a new quality class has been added to the assessment scheme. As per Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2008-06-23/Dispatches, there are now five levels for quality assessment, C being the newest addition:
These changes will affect new assessments within this WikiProject in the future. Please feel free to reassess articles accordingly. If you are not sure about an article's class or importance rating, you can always list it at Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Assessment. Thanks! María ( habla con migo) 14:33, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi, guys. I've recently added a table to the "Book releases" section of Private (novel series). I'm really liking it so far, but the only problem is that I had to use a television "Episode list" table due to there apparently not being one for our medium. This forces the titles to be displayed in quotation marks instead of italics.
I'd simply use a normal table, but I couldn't find one that allows for story descriptions to be included beneath the other info the way that the television table does.
I was wondering if anyone else might be interested in having a book table created, and who we might talk to in regards to such a thing. James26 ( talk) 18:52, 27 June 2008 (UTC)18:51, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
I'm not an expert at tables or wikimarkup by any means, but I've tried to combine the styles of both tables you've used at my sandbox. Was this like what you had in mind? Colors can be changed/added according to taste, but this is a rather simple table that can be altered depending on the needs of a particular article. María ( habla con migo) 18:01, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps some folks would like to weigh in on (and may have missed) this discussion at the style guidelines page? – Scartol • Tok 16:23, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
I've just got round to expanding Dead Famous (novel) so it is no longer a stub. It's currently rated as a stub on its talk page. How do I change its rating? Just edit the talk page or is it more complicated? -- Escape Artist Swyer Talk to me The mess I've made 19:00, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 5 | ← | Archive 9 | Archive 10 | Archive 11 | Archive 12 | Archive 13 | → | Archive 15 |
After a merge discussion, I've transformed the stand alone project to Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Shannara task force. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast ( talk) 20:21, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Just to let everyone know, a university class is in the final stretch of their attempt to get a series of novel articles up to GA and GA status. They are doing very well. Starting from scratch for the most part, they are working on:
Choose any article, if you wish, and jump right in. Some articles are at the cusp of FA, some are in GA nomination, and some are still being built up to a GA candidate. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast ( talk) 02:22, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
With the additions of the new subprojects, are there any intentions of maybe adding material to the Novels banner to accomodate the new subprojects, and if yes, what sort of "display" should the template have, that of the Australia project at Talk:Sydney, always displaying the subprojects, or that of Military history like at Talk:World War II, with an optional display? John Carter ( talk) 22:38, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Is it wrong to have references to the original novels themselves? (See Border Legion)...Considering that there are virtually no references to Shannara on the Internet outside of fansites, that's what I did.......Which is why I'm asking. =D the_ed17 02:16, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
One of the reasons I'm rather willing to adjust the banner for the various task forces is the fact that Portal:Narnia didn't have a selected article for April when I just now looked. I'm fairly sure there is sufficient content to make that portal a possible FP. Would the members of the project have any reservations about maybe making that one of the objectives to be listed in the April newsletter, not necessarily for this month, but maybe starting a portal review and going from there? Maybe trying to "improve" some of the related portals, and there are a lot of them, might be an objective. I could help deliver the newsletter myself, if someone could update the members count (which I don't understand) I could deliver it. John Carter ( talk) 13:21, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
As many of you know, getting FA status is, well, difficult. Generally, it requires a good deal of ongoing consistent input from a dedicated editor. Many or most articles ain't going to get that degree of attention. I know from the biography project that assessment is useful, but A-Class review, possibly with useful commentary, would probably help this project develop articles to the point that GA or FA isn't too much of an additional step as well. The down side is very few people are interested enough or have the time to do such reviews. Would there be enough interest in reviewing for A-Class to start something similar here? John Carter ( talk) 13:27, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
I've noticed that there don't seem to be devoted groups related to some of what might be called the "minor" genres of fiction, including Westerns, Romance, Spy, Gothic, Campus and what might be called Adventure (Rafael Sabatini, and the like), and possibly one for major literary series as a whole (The Saint, Nero Wolfe, Asimov's Robots and Foundation, and the like). I'm not sure if there is sufficient interest in setting up the project banner to provide "genre" parameters to help with these subjects though. Any other opinions? John Carter ( talk) 14:21, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Anyone know how to activate the bot to do the category count at Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Members/StatsGraph. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast ( talk) 21:30, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
I removed the Australia task force from the main page. It was folded into the Wikipedia:WikiProject Australian literature. -- maclean 04:26, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
The Australian task force does not need to go; it is a "feed" into the literature project and advertising the task force and the project are one and the same. Work being done for less thatn no reason. Let's cooperate here rather than fight needlessly. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/ (Desk) 15:30, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Hello everybody, my name is Debbie, and I'm glad to join your community ))
The above named project is tagged as inactive, and has a scope which already pretty explicitly falls within the scope of this project. I would Support a merger. John Carter ( talk) 17:07, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
There's an old request to populate the Category:Science fantasy. Anyone who can do so should feel free to do so. John Carter ( talk) 17:36, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
I know that this can be a potentially divisive matter, and somewhat hesitate to mention it. However, the project banner now includes the possibility of separate assessments for importance for the main project and each of the other subprojects which use the banner. I think it might help draw a bit of attention to the various subprojects if they, like the main project did some time ago, created a page where consensus regarding the importance rankings for that group could be established. Also, it might help draw a bit of attention to what seems to me to be the often regrettable lack of content relating to certain particular subjects. As I remember, Oliver Onions' story " The Beckoning Fair One" is counted as being one of the most important short stories of the horror genre, and has a separate four-page entry in the Masterplots short story books. We still don't have an article on it. Any stories or novels which qualify as "top" importance within a given field would probably get at least a bit more attention from the members of that subproject, which wouldn't hurt. Also, it might help prompt greater discussion regarding the separate subprojects in general. Anyway, just a thought. John Carter ( talk) 16:10, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
One thing that can be a bit of a problem is keeping up with new articles created. It is possible to place a bot request to tag all articles that fall in a given set of categories for a given project, thus allowing the group to keep up with the articles created. I've created a list of subcategories of the four genre projects at User:John Carter/Novels. If anyone wants to review the list to see if they think any of the categories don't qualify, and we can send the final list out for automatic tagging. John Carter ( talk) 00:12, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
List of Species in Redwall is an article that gets very little attention outside fans of the series. While I believe the article is notable as per WP:FICT, the article is currently a morass of indiscriminate info. I've tried to clean it up, but I've run out of ideas on what to do with it and am involved in some other stuff now. I thought I would bring it to the project's attention in case there was anyone with the inclination to give pointer, guidelines, or just plain old step in and help. McJeff ( talk) 01:36, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
I came across an editor who just added an external link to WikiSummaries (a wiki comprised of novel summaries), to a number of Wikipedia novel articles. Aside from spamlink issues (the WP editor has edited a number of the WikiSummaries articles), I don't think a link to an unvetted, unsupervised website containing very detailed plot summaries that seem to violate Wikipedia's fiction Fair Use policy is desirable on WP fiction articles.
The website has no policies or guidelines regarding contributions, so there's no assurance of avoiding in-universe problems. Also, the summaries contain no sourced analysis or much real-world perspective. Of additional interest, is that the website has a drive on to link its articles to Wikipedia's novel articles. It even has an assignment list for its editors to check off as links are made. Here's the pitch:
Wikipedia has many, many articles on books, but virtually none of them have detailed summaries of the books' individual chapters. Below is a list of the articles where WikiSummaries may compliment Wikipedia. If you feel that the readers of a listed Wikipedia article could benefit further by WikiSummaries then copy the line of code provided, go to the appropriate Wikipedia page (which will be linked on this page) and paste it in that articles "External Links" section. When you do that, then please return to this page and remove the link from the list.
I started reverting the links, but stopped to obtain some other viewpoints.
Jim Dunning |
talk 00:18, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
I think it would be great to have a Grey Griffins task force to expand the huge world of the Grey Griffins in general(Including TCG and artciles about creatures featured throughout the books). If i can get some fellow Grey Griffin fans to reply we may be able to work together to start a new task force. King Rock Go 'Skins! 00:58, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Several articles, among which Lilith (Novel) is one, cite prominantly their appearence certain (later) collections. It seems to me that this debases the work's importance in favor of the importance of the collection. Is there a pollice on this? Any thoughts? An extended discussion of the merits and problems of this practice appears on the discussion page of Lilith.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.245.57.35 ( talk • contribs)
Thank you for the rapid response. I have a quesiton. If I can show that Hamlet has sold more copies in a Dover Publication than any other, would this then warrent me mentioning in the article on Hamlet that "Its importance was recognized after its apperence in the Dover Thrift series"? Or, is it the case that whatever edition of the Bible has been the most distributed is then de facto deserving of a similar note? I am simply making a case for a standard of merit rather then mere factual accuracy.
Actually I am not making a straw man argument. I am in no way misrepresenting my opponent's position. I aknowledge my opponent's have taken up two positions: first they claimed that adding the note about Lilith's apperence in the Ballintine Adult Fantasy Series shows the importance of Lilith (novel). When I explained that important novels (or works) do not benifit from such citation notes, then my opponent's line of arguemnt changed and they claimed that Lilith (novel) did in fact need such a citation , as it was not important enough to stand alone. So my resonses to my opponent's positions have taken two forms. The first was an argument on principle (i.e. the connection between the importance of a work and its appearence in a collection). In order to make this point I tried to take cases which were very clear (i.e. Hamlet, The Bible). If we can look at these cases and see how we are inclined to act in such cases then we can analogusly figure out how to act appropreatly in less clear cases, such as that of Lilith (novel). This could be called arguing from the greater to the less, or arguing from extrapolation, or arguing from the logical extent of a dicision, but it is not a straw man argument (particularly as the moving parts of the arguemnt do not even address my opponent's position). My response to the second line of argument given is not principaled but factual/historical. Whether or not Lilith had been "forgotten" before its appearence in the Ballentine collection is a matter of research. Indeed part of this work has been done by one of my opponent's locating of the publication history of Lilith (novel). This is a step in the right direction, but I do not think that it is conclusive. I think that there are other ways to check the status of the novel in the public consciousness, and I am busy looking into those. Certainly what I said was correct that the popularity if Chesterton, Tollkin, and Lewis has helped to keep the novel arround. This line of argument is a lot of things but it is also not a straw man. It might be the case that this discussion has just gone on too long, and that I am out voted, yet I do not want my positions to be mischaracterized. In my opinion, this is just the kind of issue that strikes at the heart of what a project like Wikipedia can do. The resolution of such concerns will reveal the limits of what a democratic baised knowledge project can do. That is not to say that the issue should be resolved here and now, but that the discussion is worth having.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.245.57.35 ( talk • contribs)
This is very very bad or at least it is to me. Orange Mike a very good admin has decided that the Fall of the Templar is non-notable and so are the other books of the grey hrif series. Tell me if i'm wrong here, but if you think Orange Mike is wrong contest the first of the three deletions at The Fall of the Templar page King Rock Go 'Skins! 21:17, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
A proposal to add a symbol identifying Good Articles in a similar manner to Featured ones is being discussed: see Wikipedia talk:Good articles#Proposal. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast ( talk) 19:03, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
Grey Griffins has been nominated for GA status, please help edit the article quickly before the assesment starts and add your comments to the assesment. King Rock Go 'Skins! 18:59, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
Please leave some advice at the Grey Griffins peer review page so that i can kniw what I must do to get the article to GA status. King Rock Go 'Skins! 21:51, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
I haven't seen this mentioned here, but there's yet another discussion going on at WP:NOT here which is basically a variation of the old "unless it's Moby Dick we don't want to hear about it on Wikipedia". Incidentally, while skimming the debate I see that the article on Winston Smith - a major character in 20th Century literature - somehow fails WP:NOT and as such might be merged with another article. Just a heads up for anyone who wants to try and rescue it. 23skidoo ( talk) 23:41, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
I've recently taken Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Assessment under my wing and have noticed the assessment request section receives a fair amount of traffic. I get the feeling, however, that most of the users who submit articles they have worked on for reassessment are fairly new and unable to grasp what makes a novel article Stub, Start or B. The run-of-the-mill Quality scale does not use novel articles for examples, nor are the descriptions tailored for works of fiction. I also feel the prose is a little too wordy and confusing for new users.
Therefore, I propose a reworking of the scale, using novel articles as specific examples as well as describing what is expected at each stage. Because others may have different views of what makes a certain quality of article, here is some brainstorming for what I had in mind as far as specific criteria:
Thoughts/suggestions? María ( habla con migo) 17:33, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
I am fairly new to wikipedia and in reviewing WP:NOVPR, I ended up looking at Earth Abides, and in this article there is a Public reaction section where an overview of the book reviews on amazon.com are given with some snippets of specific reviews comments entered into the article. This seemed to me to be a reasonable section for a novel article to give an overview of the public reaction to a book. I recently read Children of God (novel) so I created a similar section in that article which was reverted today [1] with the comment "a mere internet discussion forum like the Amazon reviews board would not qualify for being used in Wikipedia." So I am here looking for some opinions on whether a Public reaction section like the one in Earth Abides is suitable for inclusion in an novel article. Thanks -- Captain-tucker ( talk) 16:53, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Hey, all! Why not update your entries on Wikipedia:What I am reading at the moment? Deb ( talk) 19:54, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Done with re-formatting; I used subheaders to make the usernames stand out more, and added a subscript with a timestamp so people can easily come back and update their entries if they wish. I also added the 5-star scale instructions at the top, since users may want to rate the books they have read. What do think? María ( habla con migo) 13:45, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
I have recently requested a peer review on the Nero Wolfe article. Any and all input on what the article might need to help get it to GA, and then maybe FA, would be more than welcome. Thank you. John Carter ( talk) 14:44, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
Thought you all might be interested in maybe getting Igor and maybe another bot that generates a list of all the articles tagged by a given project with quality tags here. John Carter ( talk) 20:12, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
This article is currently under GAN, anyone and everyone is welcome to review the article(see notes on GAN page for reason why the article has been nominated. King Rock Go 'Skins! 02:51, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
The article says Xavier Cugat did the cover. It was not. IT was his brother Francis. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.64.111.126 ( talk • contribs) 14:36, 16 May 2008
I'm going to periodically report current Featured and Good Article nominations. Hopefully, these notices will alert interested members of where reviewers/commentators are needed in regards to potentially higher-quality articles within our project. Anyone can comment during these reviewing processes, but be aware that this isn't a vote; articles are being judged according to specific criteria, so please do your homework first! See the Featured article criteria page for more info.
Current novel-related Featured Article candidates:
María ( habla con migo) 15:27, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
There is mention with the obsession with the taking of revenge with the Officer by walking down the street and having to move around him. In fact what the "Underground Man" does is CLose His Eyes while walking toward the Officer and the officer does not not notice but he had moved aside for the Underground Man. Thus symbolizing the lack of awareness(consciousness) by the closing of the eyes, as reason for the ability hold steady in his path.
If you a bumping taking place - which you have described - please let me know of the translation.
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I think that a historical fiction task force would be a great thing and have submitted a request for it on the appropriate page. If you agree with me, please document your support on said page. Thanks, The man in the mask ( talk) 22:30, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
There was severe vandalism to the plot summary section of the article on Gary Blackwell's novel, The Shakespeare Stealer. I have reverted the article to an earlier version, but the plot summary is incomplete. I am on a vandalism patrol right now and do not have time to rewrite the article. I would be most appreciative of anyone who would improve the aforementioned section.
I notice that literary magazines such as Lapham's Quarterly, The Paris Review, The New York Review of Books and The Times Literary Supplement are not being covered by any projects. Maybe they should be added under one of our projects, but which one ? Boylo ( talk) 05:35, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Is there any chance we could get a Category like this made? Right now they are all in the Cat: novel articles without infoboxes. Novel infoboxes and short story infoboxes while they share many of the same things are completely different beasts to research and get information for. The short story infoboxes being much harder and taking much longer. It would help in pruning down the amount of work in the novel category if we could do this Thanxs Jask99 ( talk) 03:58, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
Salavat ( talk) 15:34, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
A request for comment has been made to determine if the Wikipedia:Notability (fiction) proposal has consensus. Since this project deals with many fictional topics, I am commenting here. Input on the proposal is welcome here. -- Pixelface ( talk) 01:25, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Currently, 3675 articles assigned to this project, or 18.2%, are flagged for cleanup of some sort. (Data as of 18 June 2008.) Are you interested in finding out more? I am offering to generate cleanup to-do lists on a project or work group level. See User:B. Wolterding/Cleanup listings for details. If you want to respond to this canned message, please do so at my user talk page. -- B. Wolterding ( talk) 12:32, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
The listing can be found at Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Cleanup listing and the link is posted at the bottom of the main page. This is very helpful! I hope to do some much needed cleaning up and encourage others to do the same. :) María ( habla con migo) 12:41, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
I recently created a new infobox for novel series, as I was not satisfied with Infobox Book series. While this two templates overlap somewhat, I wanted to have a template that was much more consistent with Infobox Book. I also didn't think I could edit Infobox Book series without disrupting a lot of pages, and I did notice that it was in some cases used for graphic novels and comic books (which, incidentally, should probably use Infobox Graphic novel).
Any comments or suggestions for improvement are welcome. Mr. Absurd ( talk) 03:29, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
In case anyone has missed the news, a new quality class has been added to the assessment scheme. As per Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2008-06-23/Dispatches, there are now five levels for quality assessment, C being the newest addition:
These changes will affect new assessments within this WikiProject in the future. Please feel free to reassess articles accordingly. If you are not sure about an article's class or importance rating, you can always list it at Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Assessment. Thanks! María ( habla con migo) 14:33, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi, guys. I've recently added a table to the "Book releases" section of Private (novel series). I'm really liking it so far, but the only problem is that I had to use a television "Episode list" table due to there apparently not being one for our medium. This forces the titles to be displayed in quotation marks instead of italics.
I'd simply use a normal table, but I couldn't find one that allows for story descriptions to be included beneath the other info the way that the television table does.
I was wondering if anyone else might be interested in having a book table created, and who we might talk to in regards to such a thing. James26 ( talk) 18:52, 27 June 2008 (UTC)18:51, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
I'm not an expert at tables or wikimarkup by any means, but I've tried to combine the styles of both tables you've used at my sandbox. Was this like what you had in mind? Colors can be changed/added according to taste, but this is a rather simple table that can be altered depending on the needs of a particular article. María ( habla con migo) 18:01, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps some folks would like to weigh in on (and may have missed) this discussion at the style guidelines page? – Scartol • Tok 16:23, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
I've just got round to expanding Dead Famous (novel) so it is no longer a stub. It's currently rated as a stub on its talk page. How do I change its rating? Just edit the talk page or is it more complicated? -- Escape Artist Swyer Talk to me The mess I've made 19:00, 30 June 2008 (UTC)