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Could someone please collect information on this author and create a page on him? He is mention in this week's TLS (issue 5505), page 3. Or is this WP only concerned with novels, not authors? Zigzig20s ( talk) 20:05, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
Contrary to your ("Kevinalewis" that is) comments I don't think that the bad picture with the ugly looking old book in it conveys it's literary importance, I don't think it does anything for it. And, I notice you skipped our discussion on it that was in the Talk Page. I think the other title page is far more powerful, and conveys more a sense of the book, it looks better, and most importantly its a better image, I mean its been taken better. I find that aesthetics of an article are very important, and there's still actually nothing wrong with the other picture except that it comes from a later edition which is of no consequence. But, you'd rather stick with the old one for some unfathomable reason. Look, the only edit you've made in weeks was to cancel out what I did and that speaks loads. Still believe we should hold it to a vote. There's still no reason to go with a first edition just because its a first edition.-- Robert Waalk ( talk) 00:35, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
We now have our own portal which is located at Portal:Novels. Members can change the novels and quotes when they wish to make it differ for viewers. As only 1 article could be found as a DYK, thats all i could list. There is a problem with the novels covers, as i add some of them they are deleted for the ones under fair use, so cant fix that as that concerns the rules when they were placed on articles, so its potluck which end up remaining and which are removed. To add to articles use this template {{portal|Novels}} - Boylo ( talk) 03:11, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
There is a new WikiProject Novels Collaboration of the month. Novel, which lead the pack with five votes. We'd like to make it a Featured Article, so we'd like to get as many people from the general community involved as possible. Its needs considerably more sources and information, and an entire section on the Twentieth Century developments of the novel and major examples, (see nomination text for more). Also, we've been a little short handed in regular editors, (just three at the moment I believe), so if you think you might be interested, take a look. Just thought I'd inform everybody.-- Robert Waalk ( talk) 21:39, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
Could somebody help me to figure out the title of an American short story? My memory is hazy, but it has some kind of mood found in William Faulkner's novels. It is a tragic story about a newly wedded couple of a southern region in a period before the Civil war occurred. A beautiful maiden married a young and wealthy landowner in her town. He inherited his family's property after his father died. He was raised by a nanny because his mother was dead when he was still very young. He had some cruelty inside, and treated his slaves harsh, but the couple fell in love. On the other hand, she was known to have adopted by a good couple who could not have their own child, and nobody knows about her biological parent. Anyway, the young couple was happy until she gave a birth. The baby's skin was not white and everybody talked about it. People assumed that the wife might have been a half black. At that time, people born between white landlords and black slaves became slaves. The baby was born weak, so dead soon. The husband drank a lot, verbally attacked her and was blatantly having an affair with his black-white mixed female slave. The wife was dead for some reason (I don't know it whether it was suicide or illness caused by the shock) After the funeral, the husband cleaned all of her belongings. He happened to find a hidden letter in a desk used by his father. The letter was sent by his mother to her husband and said gratitude for his sincere care and love. She especially thanked for him making a secret about her identity toward people as moved from their hometown. In turn, her mother was a half-black. That is the end of the story, and I want to know of the title. Thanks in advance. -- Caspian blue 08:11, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
I will be retiring from Wikipedia after the next newsletter is released. If anyone is interested in taking over as editor of the newsletter post here. Boylo ( talk) 10:47, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
I have to question this list' rationale. First, how is this not a complete exercise in WP:SYNTH? Is there source material for listing these books as being the "longest"? Second who determines if a book is a novel? This is currently causing problems with works such as "The Blah Story" (a self-published work consisting of the word "blah" repeated over and over for 17,000+ pages). Are self-published works to be included? This causes both the above (The Blah Story) problem and also calls the veracity of the entire list into question since there is no way to verify a work I may claim to have published. Also it opens this list up to stupid stunts like me creating a web page and simply copy/pasting any given word repeatedly until it was more than 500,000 words (the rather arbitrary, self-imposed lower limit on the article) then I get to put my "story" in the List. Copy the page, do a find/replace and I get another story in the List. Do this until someone gets pissed an blocks me, but the fact remains that the list is borderline synthesis (or, at least, forces the reader down the synthesis road). Then you've got entries like "Walls of Phantoms" with the entry "...is the third longest single volume novel ever written. It's also perhaps the longest by an African-American." Total OR. Or the entry for books like "Marienbad My Love" with claims like "...Marketed as the world's longest published novel in English, it contains 17 million words. The author also claims "Marienbad My Love" (which is the condensed title) contains the world's longest word, 4.4 million letters; sentence, 3 million words; and book title, 6,700 words." This list really should be deleted. Padillah ( talk) 15:16, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm still brought back to why is this list notable? Even if we stick to word count, who decides what the word count is? does your word count use 5 or 7 letters per word? How can we establish that the various books are classified as novels? If we take the OR out of the title then we loose any rationale for this list. Padillah ( talk) 12:36, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
I am seeking input from WikiProject members regarding the article Gadsby (book). I think this is the right place to start looking for additional eyes: the article used to be at Gadsby (novel) until 18 August, and its talk page rightly says that the article falls "within the scope of WikiProject Novels". The novel Gadsby is notable because it is a lipogram—in particular, the book does not use the letter e. There has been discussion over the years about writing the article in a lipogrammatic form—that is, without the letter e. The article is currently in lipogrammatic form, including the article title, citations, infobox, and even author's name (which is fully Ernest Vincent Wright). All paragraphs in the article are devoid of the letter e.
As impressive and "cool" as this achievement is, however, there is disagreement on the talk page about how appropriate a lipogrammatical article is for a serious encyclopedia (certainly the lipogram would fit at Uncyclopedia). There has been ongoing discussion at Talk:Gadsby (book) for several months that has not proved fruitful, in part because the two main editors discussing, JJB and I, hold dissimilar views. He believes the article should be fully lipogrammatical (apparently even to the extent of hiding the "edit section" buttons, table of contents, and categories), while I think the lipogram is patently absurd for Wikipedia. Unfortunately, JJB insists on writing all his talk page comments in lipograms even after being asked repeatedly to stop; as you might expect, the consequent roundabout phrasing makes for challenging reading.
I am not looking for project members to point fingers. What I am hoping is that members of WikiProject Novels will join in the discussion about the novel Gadsby and how to improve it, especially with reference to the issue of a lipogrammatical article. Please let me know if I can clarify anything, either here or on Gadsby's talk page. - Phoenixrod ( talk) 06:39, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
To be honest, I quite like the notion of writing a lipogrammatic article about a lipogrammatic novel. I think I recall, for instance, that there were reviews of Gilbert Adair's translation of Perec's A Void that likewise eschewed the letter "e." I don't think that such reviews made their publishers a laughing stock. -- jbmurray ( talk • contribs) 08:39, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
North of the Rio Grande is an ongoing school project dedicated to improving select articles on Latino and Chicano literature. Among the articles we're working on are How the García Girls Lost Their Accents and Who Would Have Thought It?. We'd welcome any advice or help that members of WikiProject Novels may be able to offer. Please come drop a note on our talk page. Many thanks. -- jbmurray ( talk • contribs) 08:36, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
There was a person who made an edit to the page. His other edit was to Stellar classification which was removed as unwarranted. I never read the We novel, so I cannot verify if his change is correct.
Thanks, Marasama ( talk) 22:16, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
Looking at this, I wondered if a list of characters was in order. I've got my copy of the Warbook (& I'm starting a major add to the WatM shortly), which ends with AZ Ambush. Comment? TREKphiler hit me ♠ 04:52, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
Here's an interesting one. A person has nominated a book (a children's picture book, not a novel) for AFD, apparently on the grounds that he or she doesn't feel reviews should constiute "non-trivial third party coverage". There's no danger of the article being deleted as a snowball keep is underway, and the nominator is getting some substantial criticism for applying personal POV to Wikipedia policy. But I thought I would call the discussion to your attention because this isn't the first time where an attempt has been made to disqualify what one could call "non-academic" sources. There are some editors -- I've encountered them -- who feel the only sources that should be allowed for Wikipedia are scholarly journals and other encyclopedias -- basically sources that are themselves peer reviewed. While that's great if you're doing an article on Charles Dickens, it's not so easy if you're doing an article on Nick and Norah's Infinite Playlist. Often reviews are the only sources available. I could see the nom's arguments being aimed at articles on full novels. The AFD in question is HERE. 23skidoo ( talk) 17:43, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
FYI. Postdlf ( talk) 06:24, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
This needs editing badly. Zigzig20s ( talk) 02:01, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm thinking of nominating this for a GA class but would like an opinion if there is still work to be done? Zombie Hunter Smurf ( talk) 03:45, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
A peer review is open for this article. Please stop by and leave any comments or suggestions; I'd like to get it as good as possible. Thank you! El Staplador ( talk) 10:13, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
I am happy adding with removing "The" or "A" in the defaultsort; but what about the foreign equivalents, for example Category:French novels has quite a few titles under "L" which begin Le, La or Les, should they remain under "L" or be moved; I moved a few but then wasn't so sure; hence this question... GrahamHardy ( talk) 16:59, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
I notice that for Helen Garner there is the category Works by Helen Garner and then subcategories Books by Helen Garner and Novels by Helen Garner. Is this the way authors' works are generally categorised? (And is this where I should be discussing this issue?) It seems to me that Novels are Books ie they are not mutually exclusive things. If we want to separate out Novels from other works I feel we should find another heading for those other works. Taking Garner as an example, she has written novels, short stories, essays, memoirs and social history (for want of a better word for the two books currently listed under Books). How is it suggested that we categorise these various types as articles are written for them? Sterry2607 ( talk) 09:48, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I wanted to draw your attention to Talk:The_Hardy_Boys#The_Hardy_Boys_Casefiles. Thanks, Petropoxy (Lithoderm Proxy) ( talk) 14:14, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
I was just wondering if we should have a task force for Percy Jackson & The Olympians. It is disorganized and needs a lot of help. Queenqpawn ( talk) 19:00, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
A user has moved the article from Barry Lyndon to Barry Lyndon (film), and now the former page is a disambig page. A discussion has been started on the article's talk page to request it be moved back to how it was. Your thoughts would be welcomed. Thanks! Girolamo Savonarola ( talk) 20:21, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
Is there a List of horror novels article somewhere out there? Zombie Hunter Smurf ( talk) 14:19, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 10 | Archive 11 | Archive 12 | Archive 13 | Archive 14 | Archive 15 | → | Archive 18 |
Could someone please collect information on this author and create a page on him? He is mention in this week's TLS (issue 5505), page 3. Or is this WP only concerned with novels, not authors? Zigzig20s ( talk) 20:05, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
Contrary to your ("Kevinalewis" that is) comments I don't think that the bad picture with the ugly looking old book in it conveys it's literary importance, I don't think it does anything for it. And, I notice you skipped our discussion on it that was in the Talk Page. I think the other title page is far more powerful, and conveys more a sense of the book, it looks better, and most importantly its a better image, I mean its been taken better. I find that aesthetics of an article are very important, and there's still actually nothing wrong with the other picture except that it comes from a later edition which is of no consequence. But, you'd rather stick with the old one for some unfathomable reason. Look, the only edit you've made in weeks was to cancel out what I did and that speaks loads. Still believe we should hold it to a vote. There's still no reason to go with a first edition just because its a first edition.-- Robert Waalk ( talk) 00:35, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
We now have our own portal which is located at Portal:Novels. Members can change the novels and quotes when they wish to make it differ for viewers. As only 1 article could be found as a DYK, thats all i could list. There is a problem with the novels covers, as i add some of them they are deleted for the ones under fair use, so cant fix that as that concerns the rules when they were placed on articles, so its potluck which end up remaining and which are removed. To add to articles use this template {{portal|Novels}} - Boylo ( talk) 03:11, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
There is a new WikiProject Novels Collaboration of the month. Novel, which lead the pack with five votes. We'd like to make it a Featured Article, so we'd like to get as many people from the general community involved as possible. Its needs considerably more sources and information, and an entire section on the Twentieth Century developments of the novel and major examples, (see nomination text for more). Also, we've been a little short handed in regular editors, (just three at the moment I believe), so if you think you might be interested, take a look. Just thought I'd inform everybody.-- Robert Waalk ( talk) 21:39, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
Could somebody help me to figure out the title of an American short story? My memory is hazy, but it has some kind of mood found in William Faulkner's novels. It is a tragic story about a newly wedded couple of a southern region in a period before the Civil war occurred. A beautiful maiden married a young and wealthy landowner in her town. He inherited his family's property after his father died. He was raised by a nanny because his mother was dead when he was still very young. He had some cruelty inside, and treated his slaves harsh, but the couple fell in love. On the other hand, she was known to have adopted by a good couple who could not have their own child, and nobody knows about her biological parent. Anyway, the young couple was happy until she gave a birth. The baby's skin was not white and everybody talked about it. People assumed that the wife might have been a half black. At that time, people born between white landlords and black slaves became slaves. The baby was born weak, so dead soon. The husband drank a lot, verbally attacked her and was blatantly having an affair with his black-white mixed female slave. The wife was dead for some reason (I don't know it whether it was suicide or illness caused by the shock) After the funeral, the husband cleaned all of her belongings. He happened to find a hidden letter in a desk used by his father. The letter was sent by his mother to her husband and said gratitude for his sincere care and love. She especially thanked for him making a secret about her identity toward people as moved from their hometown. In turn, her mother was a half-black. That is the end of the story, and I want to know of the title. Thanks in advance. -- Caspian blue 08:11, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
I will be retiring from Wikipedia after the next newsletter is released. If anyone is interested in taking over as editor of the newsletter post here. Boylo ( talk) 10:47, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
I have to question this list' rationale. First, how is this not a complete exercise in WP:SYNTH? Is there source material for listing these books as being the "longest"? Second who determines if a book is a novel? This is currently causing problems with works such as "The Blah Story" (a self-published work consisting of the word "blah" repeated over and over for 17,000+ pages). Are self-published works to be included? This causes both the above (The Blah Story) problem and also calls the veracity of the entire list into question since there is no way to verify a work I may claim to have published. Also it opens this list up to stupid stunts like me creating a web page and simply copy/pasting any given word repeatedly until it was more than 500,000 words (the rather arbitrary, self-imposed lower limit on the article) then I get to put my "story" in the List. Copy the page, do a find/replace and I get another story in the List. Do this until someone gets pissed an blocks me, but the fact remains that the list is borderline synthesis (or, at least, forces the reader down the synthesis road). Then you've got entries like "Walls of Phantoms" with the entry "...is the third longest single volume novel ever written. It's also perhaps the longest by an African-American." Total OR. Or the entry for books like "Marienbad My Love" with claims like "...Marketed as the world's longest published novel in English, it contains 17 million words. The author also claims "Marienbad My Love" (which is the condensed title) contains the world's longest word, 4.4 million letters; sentence, 3 million words; and book title, 6,700 words." This list really should be deleted. Padillah ( talk) 15:16, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm still brought back to why is this list notable? Even if we stick to word count, who decides what the word count is? does your word count use 5 or 7 letters per word? How can we establish that the various books are classified as novels? If we take the OR out of the title then we loose any rationale for this list. Padillah ( talk) 12:36, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
I am seeking input from WikiProject members regarding the article Gadsby (book). I think this is the right place to start looking for additional eyes: the article used to be at Gadsby (novel) until 18 August, and its talk page rightly says that the article falls "within the scope of WikiProject Novels". The novel Gadsby is notable because it is a lipogram—in particular, the book does not use the letter e. There has been discussion over the years about writing the article in a lipogrammatic form—that is, without the letter e. The article is currently in lipogrammatic form, including the article title, citations, infobox, and even author's name (which is fully Ernest Vincent Wright). All paragraphs in the article are devoid of the letter e.
As impressive and "cool" as this achievement is, however, there is disagreement on the talk page about how appropriate a lipogrammatical article is for a serious encyclopedia (certainly the lipogram would fit at Uncyclopedia). There has been ongoing discussion at Talk:Gadsby (book) for several months that has not proved fruitful, in part because the two main editors discussing, JJB and I, hold dissimilar views. He believes the article should be fully lipogrammatical (apparently even to the extent of hiding the "edit section" buttons, table of contents, and categories), while I think the lipogram is patently absurd for Wikipedia. Unfortunately, JJB insists on writing all his talk page comments in lipograms even after being asked repeatedly to stop; as you might expect, the consequent roundabout phrasing makes for challenging reading.
I am not looking for project members to point fingers. What I am hoping is that members of WikiProject Novels will join in the discussion about the novel Gadsby and how to improve it, especially with reference to the issue of a lipogrammatical article. Please let me know if I can clarify anything, either here or on Gadsby's talk page. - Phoenixrod ( talk) 06:39, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
To be honest, I quite like the notion of writing a lipogrammatic article about a lipogrammatic novel. I think I recall, for instance, that there were reviews of Gilbert Adair's translation of Perec's A Void that likewise eschewed the letter "e." I don't think that such reviews made their publishers a laughing stock. -- jbmurray ( talk • contribs) 08:39, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
North of the Rio Grande is an ongoing school project dedicated to improving select articles on Latino and Chicano literature. Among the articles we're working on are How the García Girls Lost Their Accents and Who Would Have Thought It?. We'd welcome any advice or help that members of WikiProject Novels may be able to offer. Please come drop a note on our talk page. Many thanks. -- jbmurray ( talk • contribs) 08:36, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
There was a person who made an edit to the page. His other edit was to Stellar classification which was removed as unwarranted. I never read the We novel, so I cannot verify if his change is correct.
Thanks, Marasama ( talk) 22:16, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
Looking at this, I wondered if a list of characters was in order. I've got my copy of the Warbook (& I'm starting a major add to the WatM shortly), which ends with AZ Ambush. Comment? TREKphiler hit me ♠ 04:52, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
Here's an interesting one. A person has nominated a book (a children's picture book, not a novel) for AFD, apparently on the grounds that he or she doesn't feel reviews should constiute "non-trivial third party coverage". There's no danger of the article being deleted as a snowball keep is underway, and the nominator is getting some substantial criticism for applying personal POV to Wikipedia policy. But I thought I would call the discussion to your attention because this isn't the first time where an attempt has been made to disqualify what one could call "non-academic" sources. There are some editors -- I've encountered them -- who feel the only sources that should be allowed for Wikipedia are scholarly journals and other encyclopedias -- basically sources that are themselves peer reviewed. While that's great if you're doing an article on Charles Dickens, it's not so easy if you're doing an article on Nick and Norah's Infinite Playlist. Often reviews are the only sources available. I could see the nom's arguments being aimed at articles on full novels. The AFD in question is HERE. 23skidoo ( talk) 17:43, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
FYI. Postdlf ( talk) 06:24, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
This needs editing badly. Zigzig20s ( talk) 02:01, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm thinking of nominating this for a GA class but would like an opinion if there is still work to be done? Zombie Hunter Smurf ( talk) 03:45, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
A peer review is open for this article. Please stop by and leave any comments or suggestions; I'd like to get it as good as possible. Thank you! El Staplador ( talk) 10:13, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
I am happy adding with removing "The" or "A" in the defaultsort; but what about the foreign equivalents, for example Category:French novels has quite a few titles under "L" which begin Le, La or Les, should they remain under "L" or be moved; I moved a few but then wasn't so sure; hence this question... GrahamHardy ( talk) 16:59, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
I notice that for Helen Garner there is the category Works by Helen Garner and then subcategories Books by Helen Garner and Novels by Helen Garner. Is this the way authors' works are generally categorised? (And is this where I should be discussing this issue?) It seems to me that Novels are Books ie they are not mutually exclusive things. If we want to separate out Novels from other works I feel we should find another heading for those other works. Taking Garner as an example, she has written novels, short stories, essays, memoirs and social history (for want of a better word for the two books currently listed under Books). How is it suggested that we categorise these various types as articles are written for them? Sterry2607 ( talk) 09:48, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I wanted to draw your attention to Talk:The_Hardy_Boys#The_Hardy_Boys_Casefiles. Thanks, Petropoxy (Lithoderm Proxy) ( talk) 14:14, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
I was just wondering if we should have a task force for Percy Jackson & The Olympians. It is disorganized and needs a lot of help. Queenqpawn ( talk) 19:00, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
A user has moved the article from Barry Lyndon to Barry Lyndon (film), and now the former page is a disambig page. A discussion has been started on the article's talk page to request it be moved back to how it was. Your thoughts would be welcomed. Thanks! Girolamo Savonarola ( talk) 20:21, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
Is there a List of horror novels article somewhere out there? Zombie Hunter Smurf ( talk) 14:19, 31 December 2008 (UTC)