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On the article, there is a key bit for confirmed to be released and contract negotiations! I've never seen that before and wasn't sure what to make of it. But does it not in a way breach WP:RECENTISM?? Not to mention the characters used seem a bit odd in context to use. Govvy ( talk) 08:29, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
Hello. Recently I've been having trouble choosing -- what should the common name of Marignane Gignac Côte Bleue FC be for putting in infoboxes? The club was founded as a merger from Marignane Gignac FC and FC Côte Bleue last year, so it's a fairly recent name. Any help is appreciated. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 16:23, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
Someone is insistent on reverting a part of Thomas Tuchel's bio because they presumably think their Nan is a better manager than him. I've mentioned that the content is well sourced and not old, but obviously that made no difference. Comes off as wp:podium to me.
Is it grounds enough to semi-protect the page?
The most recent of some 5 odd reverts: https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Thomas_Tuchel&diff=prev&oldid=1158998453 Murtaza.aliakbar ( talk) 19:12, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
2000 CECAFA Cup has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Onegreatjoke ( talk) 01:14, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
Just wondering if anyone could point me to a definitive source that confirms the birth date of George Raitt, who was born in Scotland around 1888. Hack ( talk) 03:11, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
There is an unreferenced article: List of naturalised international footballers and a category: Naturalised association football players. Is this for players who represented multiple nations at full senior level or for youth teams to senior teams? Echetus Xe 11:39, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
Hello! Should he be credited with winning CL when it appears he didn't play in a single match there in the season? I am asking because in another similar case (was about super cups) WP had decided that winning the trophy shouldn't be added in the Honours' section if the player never played in the tournament. Kind regards, Lorry Gundersen ( talk) 22:41, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
See 1896–97 Blackpool F.C. season and beyond, for example. The subject team is not listed in the main table. I don't know how widespread the issue is. Seasider53 ( talk) 09:22, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
In the 1898-99 season there is this team RETB that competed in Thames & Midway league, who is this RETB? What's the full team name? Anyone know? Regards, Govvy ( talk) 09:18, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
India national football team and India women's national football team jersey has been changed with new patterns, men's & women's]. Will be a great help if someone update the infobox jersey with the same pattern and colour. Thank you. Drat8sub ( talk) 15:39, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
Hey, the infobox for Harrow Borough F.C. says they were relegated, but they've actually been reprieved. The field is updated via the season updater template - I was considering just manually overriding it, but that would mean it would likely not get an update next summer. Plus there may be other sides where this is an issue. So can the field be updated while leaving the template in place? Cheers, HornetMike ( talk) 17:49, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
After a wikibreak, I was intrigued to see that FC Cincinnati (2016–18) was merged into FC Cincinnati in March 2023 after limited discussion by the user who most vociferously opposed treating the clubs separately back when the original consensus was found in 2018. While consensus can change, no MLS team was directly promoted into the league, and FC Cincinnati is now the only MLS team without separate articles for the MLS team and the minor league team of the same name (Seattle Sounders, Portland Timbers, Vancouver Whitecaps, Montréal Impact, Nashville FC, Minnesota United, and Orlando City, so it is not a limited number of teams - San Jose Earthquakes also have a separate NASL page.)
The question I'm posing - is this a problem? It's definitely causing issues with categories, for instance the year the club was founded, and the article currently implies the team was promoted. I'm only bringing this up because I would favour an un-merge. I also don't know why this is the only MLS team that insists that it's different? SportingFlyer T· C 23:47, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
I see that some featured articles and good articles (Real Madrid CF, FC Bayern Munich, Manchester City F.C., Chelsea F.C.) are still linking to the 2022–23 season articles and showing 2022–23 season kits. Is there a consensus on when to update links to the upcoming seasons? PS: Some mix alt kits from the previous season with the main kit for the new season. SLBedit ( talk) 00:06, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
It seems a little illogical that we have managerial changes listed at 2023–24 EFL League Two#Managerial changes that took place before the playoffs for the 2022-23 season had even started. And I appreciate it seems that this has always been the case, looking at previous seasons.
For players, contracts end at the end of June, and "pre-season" starts when they return to training some time in June/early July (depending on the club. So how can May 8th be described as "pre-season" for the 2023-24 season? Gricehead ( talk) 16:37, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
For most clubs, the current season is over, but the upcoming season hasn't started yet. So, I would say 30 June. SLBedit ( talk) 15:52, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
Referring Govvy here, to get them off my talk page. Seasider53 ( talk) 11:30, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
Please could people keep an eye on articles edited by MateusPumHeol - by inserting the nationality in articles of footballers who were born in another country has happened twice by the same user such as Charlie Savage (footballer). Especially as two edits have stood for a week. Iggy ( Swan) ( Contribs) 15:11, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
I'll ask this question although this may not be the best place for this kind of questions. I have been thinking of translating some it.wiki articles about early 20th-century Italian football for ages. Unfortunatley, the majority of the sources of the articles I wish to translate come from books I can't access. Should I trust what the article reads? Wikipediæ philosophia ( talk) 01:10, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
I have a very unusual question. By the time this year's UEL final ended, midnight had already passed. Should we say Sevilla won the cup on 31 May or on 1 June? Wikipediæ philosophia ( talk) 21:16, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
a football match has duration and doesn't happen in a single second, that is obviously true, but the act of winning the match happens in a single second, when the referee blows the whistle to end it -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 07:13, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
An overnight period may be expressed using a slash between two contiguous dates ... or use an en dash. Ie- we should be referring to the match (as a whole) as having taken place on 31 May / 1 June or 31 May – 1 June. Stevie fae Scotland ( talk) 10:06, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
A game scheduled on a day and played on that day is won for that day. What's so hard for that? Don't know why you guys are being so finical. Govvy ( talk) 10:45, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
Would we include amateur goals in articles? For example, in lists such as this or this? All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha ( talk) 13:35, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
2013 CECAFA Cup has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Onegreatjoke ( talk) 21:08, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
Hello. A few days ago, based on this RfC, a request was filed for bot to update all the (1,138) categories that fall under the following types:
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(eg: Category:Expatriate footballers in Andorra → Category:Expatriate men's footballers in Andorra) and all the articles in these categoriesCategory:Footballers in "country" by club
to Category:Men's footballers in "country" by club
(eg: Category:Footballers in Andorra by club → Category:Men's footballers in Andorra by club) and all the articles in these categoriesCategory:"nationality" expatriate footballers
to Category:"nationality" men's expatriate footballers
(eg: Category:Andorran expatriate footballers → Andorran expatriate men's footballers) and all the articles in these categoriesSubcategories will not be changed. There are some variations/exceptions when "soccer", "soccer players", and conventions set by some countries are used. All these exceptions, new content of the categories, and other relevant information can be found at User:Usernamekiran/footballer categories. I have created the program/bot for this task successfully. Kindly let me know if you have any questions, or suggestions. I will file a request for bot in a few days from now. Regards, —usernamekiran (talk) 17:43, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
A series of IPs (probably the same person) are repeatedly removing the "more citations needed" tag, the inclusion of which in my opinion is valid as all of the important content (member clubs, list of champions) is not sourced. Could some more people keep an eye on it........? -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 19:58, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
It doesn't seem to be working at 2022–23 in Lebanese football#2023 Intercontinental Cup, as the "Final" section shows the Group stage. Can someone please help? Nehme 1499 08:59, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
Indian Super League, remaining part has several space/comma/grammar errors. Besides, "see also" has multiple overlinks. I tried but its locked and users careless. Many thanks https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1161570920 93.140.148.242 ( talk) 15:39, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
not sure if this should count as an official match for u21 caps or not? https://www.englandfootball.com/articles/2023/Jun/10/england-mens-under-21s-japan-match-report-20230610 world football, which is seemingly the best source for youth internationals doesnt count it but it kinda feels weird not to count this match? i do notice a guy already counted it as far as i can tell, i.e. someoen added this cap for James Trafford as his fifth caps but should it count? training match means prob not? but like, it could prob also be fair to say it counts as a cap? i recall not too long ago canada had a trianing senior match that didnt count as official caps tho i guess? Muur ( talk) 03:43, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
Where can I find which sources are considered reliable for football transfers? I've found in old threads that transfermarkt is considered unreliabe so which would be the best sources for finding all the transfers made by one team during a season? MinoTarui ( talk) 15:52, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
Would someone mind reverting this edit at Youri Tielemans? He doesn't actually become a Villa player until 1 July, and I'm on three reverts. Mattythewhite ( talk) 20:17, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
On 10 June 2023, Premier League club Aston Villa announced that they had reached an agreement to sign Tielemans on a free transfer, upon the expiry of his Leicester City contract on 1 July.As this is in the article, it should appear in the infobox too. -- SuperJew ( talk) 20:42, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
Hello! Can anyone watch over this article, please? It seems like someone tried to edit it amid speculation on his possible transfer to Inter Milan, but obviously there's no official press release...
Oltrepier ( talk) 10:22, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
Can someone please explain to Pindrice that MOS:REPEATLINK does not apply to templates and tables? See this edit. I explained to them that it's standard to keep the links, as can be seen in other major tournament articles such as 2022 FIFA World Cup#Group A, yet their answers on my talk page ( User talk:Nehme1499#2023 SAFF Championship) seem quite aggressive. Nehme 1499 11:10, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
I just accepted this stub at AfC and cleaned it up as the club were promoted to the top flight of Cameroonian football, but the title needs to be moved - Opopo is the club's nickname. However, there are already two other Victoria United F.C.s on Wikipedia - Victoria United and Victoria United F.C.. What's the best title for this article? It's actually not impossible that it might be the primary topic if Victoria United are still defunct. SportingFlyer T· C 18:08, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
Seems like some IP-disruption is starting up again, more eyes would be helpful. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 14:52, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
Why is this a reliable source? I've never edited this website nor do I know it deeply, but it looks user-generated. Anyone could request to be able to edit such website. User-generated websites are not reliable. Wikipediæ philosophia ( talk) 13:46, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
Hello everyone!
Just so you know, I've created the squads page for the tournament, as all of the national teams involved are unveiling their respective lists.
Oltrepier ( talk) 17:10, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
whats up with his weird ass looking infobox it looks nothing like other player Muur ( talk) 05:11, 29 June 2023 (UTC)s
2012 CECAFA Cup has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Onegreatjoke ( talk) 21:38, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
Hello. Looking for input in this discussion. It's about the WP:COMMONNAME of TSG 1899 Hoffenheim - I think that it's incorrect that we're still writing "1899 Hoffenheim" in infobxes. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 13:22, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
hello, a user who moved University of Bolton Stadium to Toughsheet Community Stadium but did it wrong. youre supposed to move the page, not turn the first one into a redirect and then make the new page. that loses all teh history of the old page and so now the new page has no history. could someone with the powers to fix it fix it, since i cant due to the fact i cant move a move to a page that already exists. he also did it a day earlier than he shoudldve... Muur ( talk) 21:15, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
I don't really get it why user @ Stevie fae Scotland: has been using a different style for UEFA reports, starting from this section. Same for Conference League. Is 2023–24 so special compared to ALL the previous? Classic links, as normally made, must be used. Island92 ( talk) 18:00, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
If all or most of the citations in an article consist of bare URLs ... then that would not count as a "consistent citation style" and can be changed freely. I have changed one page to meet Wikipedia policy. Just because it is the only one done that way, does not mean it is wrong. Similarly, just because numerous other pages are done a different way, doesn't mean they are right. Stevie fae Scotland ( talk) 18:16, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
Pinging users really active in these kind of pages to know what they think. @ S.A. Julio:, @ Nehme1499:, @ Pindrice:, @ Kante4:, @ PeeJay:, @ Dl.thinker:, @ Joseph2302:, @ Crowsus:, @ Sb008:, @ Walter Görlitz:, @ Riktetta:, @ Tomrtn:.-- Island92 ( talk) 17:28, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
Does anyone want to review Draft:2023–24 1. FC Nürnberg season? Kingjeff ( talk) 00:26, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
Hi all, PeeJay and I have been having a disagreement over at 1992–93 Manchester United F.C. season as to whether or not the kits should have logos on them. I originally added new, updated versions of the kits as they are better visually than the old ones. PeeJay reverted due to the logos present on the kits. Kits like these are used all over Wikipedia and Wikicommons and I’m not aware of any prior consensus not to include logos, however I’d like to get others opinions rather then getting involved in a edit war. REDMAN 2019 ( talk) 19:27, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
Template:Football box and Template:Football box collapsible need to be updated with a parameter for adding card information or at least red card information like that of goals. The collapsible template however have a scope to add "sent off"' which generates the red card info, but this parameter is listed along the goal parameter which seems wrong. Red card is a very rare information, does not occur often like goals and yellow card, this information gives a more insight to a match where red card is shown and the match played with less players and have impact on the outcome. As the second template have this, it has been used in various article across the Football project, but this is creating a chaos. One can argue card information can be added separately as always been used in the World Cup or Continental Cups' sub pages (FIFA WC/Continental Groups or Final match ) where match reports are discussed in details, but these tournaments are once in a 4 years things, but for small tournament like sub-confederation tournament, friendly tournament or friendlies it not feasible to make separate group pages so that match details can be added. Thus, I think we need a separate independent parameter in the football box templates for inclusion of cards, at-least for and to produce these card info. I strongly believe this will be very good for the project since many users want to add this red card info and indeed have been used various articles till now. I hope this update idea be agreed upon by most of the members here. Kindly add your suggestions or ideas to improve or solution for this. Thank you. Drat8sub ( talk) 14:19, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
Hi,
If anyone speaks Arabic (or has a decent translating app), could you please update the latest squad? I would do it myself if I could!
Many thanks,
Felixsv7 ( talk) 14:55, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
Hello everyone! As reported by a large portion of the Italian press in recent weeks ( here you are if you're looking for some examples), it seems like Atalanta is ready and set to assemble a reserve team, in a similar fashion as Juventus Next Gen. As confirmed by Serie C president Matteo Marani, B teams have been included and prioritized in the league's repechage list for next season; at the moment, Atalanta looks to be in the lead for it, as a few clubs are at risk of being excluded.
So, considering all this, I just wanted to ask if anybody already prepared a draft page for the team, while we're waiting for official news. Also, how should we organize it in comparison to the main club's page?
Oltrepier ( talk) 14:09, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
Hello! I've been contributing to the project quite regularly, and while we managed to get some progress in the last year, I think the general lack of users prevents it from going even further.
I'd love to promote this challenge across the site, but how can we do it? (Well, apart from using the invite template... : D)
Oltrepier ( talk) 14:21, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
In autumn 2021, he was diagnosed a neuropathy whenceforth he has been kept far from the pitch. In 2021-22, he was loaned to Standard Liège and in 2022-23, he only did some training with Juventus NG. His last Next Gen appearance was in spring 2021, while his last training session was in all likelihood in April 2023. Today, he's been loaned. Should I put 2019-2021 or 2019-2023 next to Juventus Next Gen in the infobox? Wikipediæ philosophia ( talk) 17:33, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
I have started a discussion on Talk:Demi Stokes about another place of birth issue. Sources seem to give one place but the article says she was born in another and an IP address changed that to Dudley before I deemed that as incorrect per sources used. Iggy ( Swan) ( Contribs) 21:39, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
Hi all, what do you think of these latest changes on the Turf Moor page? Personally, aligned with the version that went through the FAC process, I would keep the "F.C." in the infobox and first paragraph. This because it's clearer and more consistent. If one reads the owner parameter, they might think the town owns the stadium instead of the football club. Also, I don't see the point in writing "Football Club" in full when F.C. also suffices. I'm also missing the point why in the first sentence of the article it's now "Burnley" without any suffix, but a few sentences later the club name is fully spelled out ("Burnley Football Club").
I left a message on the user's talk page ( StarryNightSky11), but it was reverted without explanation. I find this a bit rich, since the user told that unexplained edits should be discussed. FYI, this user has not explained once why these latest edits would be an improvement.
I realise this might be a bit of a childish hassle, but I'm still interested in your opinions... Eem dik doun in toene ( talk) 22:02, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
2006 CECAFA Cup has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Onegreatjoke ( talk) 03:06, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
Really??? Men's footballers? Yes, it makes sense to disambiguate the sport as men's football or women's football, but the idea that the genitive can therefore be applied to participants is a total abuse of language. The footballers neither belong to nor pertain to men (or women). Kevin McE ( talk) 12:37, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
According to Category:Sportsmen by sport and nationality, three sports (football, basketball and volleyball) use "men's", while the remaining 18 use "male". Maybe we need a sports-wide discussion to standardize those 3 to use "male"? Nehme 1499 15:45, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
Out of interest, did those complaining about the change actually comment at the RFC? Giant Snowman 15:46, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
This article, which is in DYK on the front page at the moment, says that while playing college soccer in the US he "started all 18 games in 2010 and anchored the team's defense, totaling a career-high seven points". This reflects what the source says but what does it actually mean? How does a player accrue "points" in football........? -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 09:17, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
Hello! Is there anyone who can (and wants to) help me work on this article?
I've nominated it for WP:ITN, but it definitely needs to be expanded and integrated with plenty of sources...
[By the way, may his soul rest in peace]
Oltrepier ( talk) 16:55, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
Good afternoon all. Just reading about Luton Town promotion etc and when viewing their most recent season I can see some mark-ups occurring in lists such as
Appearances and goals. Significantly I note this: "Players with names struck through and marked † left the club during the playing season". I raised this
almost a year ago but it looks like we still have roughly the same 70 pages affected. I will start going through them tonight some time, but wanted to raise awareness again on
MOS:STRIKETHROUGH /
MOS:NOSTRIKE and confirm with the project if the MOS is to go for Cite error: There are <ref>
tags on this page without content in them (see the
help page). or daggers as I can see daggers are
proliferated throughout modern articles (along with asterisks)? From a plain English / legibility POV neither of these seem ideal.
Koncorde (
talk) 16:09, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
Hi, can someone kindly review Draft:2023 SAFF Championship squads? The tournament has finished over a week ago, and the draft has been sitting there for a month. Nehme 1499 11:30, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
Hello, could anyone please explain to StarryNightSky11 ( talk · contribs) that WP:KARLSRUHER is something that should be applied? I don't want to violate 3R on Timo Werner. -- Jaellee ( talk) 19:58, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
Hello! I have been trying to communicate to both an IP address and a user that we do not need to be adding every single goal that a player has scored to the prose of an article. This appears to be very common across a lot of articles for New York Red Bulls players, including Frankie Amaya, Tom Barlow, and Dante Vanzeir among others. I am a bit at a loss on how to deal with this, as I have tried engaging them on their respective talk pages rather than starting a new discussion across multiple article talk pages, but I have yet to receive a response, and this has been going on for at least a month. Could I get some additional eyes on these pages? Might be a relatively minor thing, but I recall at least one such discussion in which I was involved in the past that would be relevant here (albeit from when I was just starting out on Wikipedia). Jay eyem ( talk) 01:56, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
Why are club articles listing runner-up achievements in honours section? I noticed this by Michaeldble which I thought was not a good edit, so I reverted, but it's all mixed in again with an honours and achievement header, which I don't think is the right thing to do. Michaeldble did that on a good few articles I noticed. I was wondering what other people think as I personally don't feel you should be listing runner up in club honours. Govvy ( talk) 14:55, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
How should his infobox be dealt with now he has re-signed with Salford City? According to the club's retained and released list, he was released at the expiry of his contract, so is in a different situation to the likes of Ryan Watson, Matty Lund, and Conor McAleny, who were offered and accepted new contracts; Mariappa was released from the club, then offered a new deal. Is this a second spell at Salford, or a continuation of his first? All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha ( talk) 23:14, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
Request for input at the discussion at Campus PSG. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 09:01, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
Why do we list/describe Harry Kane as England's top goalscorer when Vivian Woodward scored well over 60 goals? All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha ( talk) 21:21, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
As above per Crowsus. England national football team is the national representative team that is entered into senior tournaments and so on - that is the subject of the article so that list should reflect only those goals for that team. Any other team organised by the FA doesn't count as they are not the England national football team. Woodward played for the ENF and scored a number of goals. He then opted to play strictly amateur football as the English FA specifically made the distinction between Amateur and Professional - and so was never selected for the ENF again. The List of men's footballers with 50 or more international goals is strictly speaking a huge piece of original research and a hot mess. Quite why Kanes U21 goals are included is beyond me - it explicitly states "Senior" in the first paragraph - which would similarly impact Woodward. Koncorde ( talk) 18:58, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
Clubs often decide to play some summer friendlies far from their country for economic reasons. In Italy, we call these the set of these friendlies tournée, borrowed from French. Does this word exist in English as well? Wikipediæ philosophia ( talk) 16:44, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
From dictionary.com [tourney]
- Most likely, what we have today for the word Tour is still the same spelling in Latin, tour, tourney and tournament probably have somewhat similar word history. Regards Govvy ( talk) 10:27, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
How many games did Xavi play for Barcelona? 767 or 779? I can find sources which say both. In fact I found a source that says both All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha ( talk) 20:32, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
Was this venue in West Ham? Or was it just outside of the West Ham area? Because it looked like it was directly next to East London Cemetery which is Plaistow. So I was wondering if the location should be noted as Plaistow instead? Govvy ( talk) 13:42, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
Wondering if an admin is willing to step in on what is seemingly an immature editor over at Sunderland A.F.C. He or she keeps adding the below prose to the lede, which is overly detailed and not important to the average reader. I reported them for 3RR a while back, but retracted it in the hopes of constructive discourse, but they can never find their keyboard when it comes to talk-page input. They were warned by another editor for WP:SLOWEW a few days ago in the Sunderland edit history.
"Between 1891 and 1939, "The Black Cats", as they are known – in addition to their six league titles – finished in the bottom half of the league only ten times, and finished in the top seven 28 times. Since World War II, their league performances have been considerably poorer, only finishing in the top half nine times (1947, 1949, 1950, 1953, 1955, 1956, 2000, 2001 and 2011), and only reaching the top seven four times (1950, 1955, 2000 and 2001). Furthermore, they have been relegated eleven times, and just over half of this period has been spent in the top flight (41 out of 76 seasons); of the 35 seasons in which they were outside the top flight, five have been spent in the third tier." - Seasider53 ( talk) 21:01, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
We have a standard way of editing - if a player is born in country X but plays for country Y, we do not include the nationality in the lede. @ Frenchl: is of a different view, and has made disruptive edits for a few weeks now. His current habit is this. What are thoughts? Giant Snowman 20:46, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
They're not omitted, they are placed in context. Sometimes the opening sentence or paragraph is not an appropriate place to discuss often complex national, ethnic, birth place, inherited, adopted, naturalised (and so on) nationalities. Especially as, routinely, they are poorly documented or develop as more information becomes apparent over their career. Koncorde ( talk) 18:05, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
There is a discussion regarding this topic; linking here as it is relevant to this project Joeykai ( talk) 21:21, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
Following their relegation from tier 2 to tier 3, Coventry United W.F.C. have relocated to Rugby and rebranded as Rugby Borough, therefore aligning themselves with Rugby Borough F.C. and disassociating from Coventry United F.C. (sources: [3], [4], [5]). My question is should we move Coventry United W.F.C. or start a new page? And if there's someone with experience with these kinds of changes, it'd be great if they could move/create/update the relevant pages. -- SuperJew ( talk) 11:28, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
I noticed that the qualifying stage of this season's UEFA tournaments ( Champions League, Conference League) have a different match report format. Instead of a direct link (e.g. Report), it now looks like this: Report [1]. Is this the new norm for match reports? Though more prominant tournaments like UEFA Euro 2024 qualifying Group A still use direct link report. Sofeshue ( talk) 08:59, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
standard practiceto improve
existing citations by adding missing information, such as by replacing bare URLs with full bibliographic citations. Essentially, no one is asking anyone to change the way they edit. All that the policy says is don't undo it if someone upgrades a bare URL to a full citation. Stevie fae Scotland ( talk) 09:28, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
What I assume is a Man City fan (given the tone of their post) has "overhauled" the Man City article (a featured article which is now veering into fan POV territory) which included the removal of the Premier League charge against the club; Midway through the season, the Premier League charged the club with over 100 financial rule breaches, including failing to comply with financial fair play rules. [1] Given the seriousness of the charge hanging over the club (and the fact the manager himself spoke of it right up to the conclusion of the season) it seems to be a breach of NPOV (ie. editorial bias) by omitting it. Should the charge be included? Nampa DC ( talk) 19:57, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
The 2022–23 season turned out to be the greatest in the club's history, as Manchester City won their third consecutive Premier League title, the FA Cup final against rivals Manchester United, and, most importantly, their maiden Champions League title, thereby assembling a rare feat – the continental treble. The road to the Champions League victory included convincing victories over the perennial favourites and European giants Bayern Munich, who were defeated 4–1 on aggregate, and Real Madrid, who suffered a 1–5 aggregate loss at the hands of City after their controversial 6–5 extra time victory at the same stage a year before.and so on. Koncorde ( talk) 23:25, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
I had discussed it with Kingsif about this on Talk:2023 FIFA Women's World Cup broadcasting rights - Wikipedia and decided to bring this issue here, so we can avoid more edit wars in the future
Should we tell users what companies had got the rights specificaly by language? [eg. Fox Sports (English) ]
Reasoning: More and More, Leagues, UEFA and FIFA are doing it, specially on North America (USA and Canada), other companies had done similar rights on Caribbean and parts of Europe, so therafore, for informative and historicity reason, i think we should put it on lists, similar in some that already have such as 2024 Copa América.
Some news articles about it Telemundo getting Spanish rights in USA, FOX getting English rights in USA, Some exemple of german-language rights for Switzerland, some exemple of Canadian French right
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talk) 00:27, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
User @ Dante4786 has started an edit war with me over how to display Vasil Khamutowski's club stint during 2003-2005. The user claims that 1) we should use present club name, despite the fact that we have an established consensus to use historical names piped to present ones, and 2) that FCSB "never owned the rights to Steaua name." Both FC Steaua București and FCSB articles state that name change was only forced on them in 2017. The name FCSB simply did not exist in 2003-2005. -- BlameRuiner ( talk) 07:27, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
@ Dante4786 You're right, it's not a contest. I backed my opinion with at least 5 examples of discussions at FOOTY that support my point. What did you do? Just pointed to a few other articles created or expanded by 1 other editor that never discussed this thing with anyone, which weren't corrected yet because nobody noticed yet. The only false information and confusion for the readers being introduced here is you claiming the player played for the club named FCSB in 2003, when that name simply did not exist. The difference between current name and historical name is why we use piping. While we're at it, do you suggest we should go to 1932–33 Divizia A article and change CFA to Rapid? In 2003–04 Divizia A change Steaua to FCSB? If no, why not?
Quote: By naming another team "Steaua" (a team that was legally striped down of that name), the text misleads people. It's a very convenient argument when you ignore the fact that they were stripped of the name in 2017. It doesn't work backwards.
Quote: And I don't see why Wikipedia:Naming conventions (sports teams) can't apply to players' articles... Perhaps the answer is the very first sentence in on that page: This page lists naming conventions for articles on sports teams.-- BlameRuiner ( talk) 05:42, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
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Hello, this requested move has been open for 16 days, but only GiantSnowman has been kind enough to respond. I would appreciate some input before the page is either moved or not moved. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 17:21, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
List of men's footballers with 1,000 or more official appearances has an ongoing dispute and edit war which has been unresolved for the past few days - there are two issues here as follows
Firstly - one user @ Lorry Gundersen is adamant that, for players in England, reserve team appearances and games played at a very junior level should be included as they can be deemed "official". All other identifiable contributors to this and archived discussions are equally clear that this is incorrect and that these types of games should not be counted. Despite acknowledging the consensus is against him however @ Lorry Gundersen is reverting any attempts to edit out these appearances and insisting that we provide proof that reserve team games are not considered official
Secondly - Same user and @ ItsKesha are engaged in an edit war over the huge number of citations and notes added over the past couple of years to this article
So I feel this page would benefit from some outside review and mediation ColchesterSid ( talk) 05:44, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
Hello! On another topic, with my leave from updating the article, due to lack of time reasons, and with Kesha "contributing" there, I can predict this article soon becoming "frozen" without updates, like the list of footballers with 500 or more goals, so I have to propose either deletion or reservation of the article in advance. Kind regards, Lorry Gundersen ( talk) 18:03, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
Is it possible to add to the infobox of a season or tournament if VAR will be used in the respective season or tournament. Since VAR isn't used universally across all leagues around the world, it would help to know without having to sift through pages or paragraphs of content only to find out there isn't any info. Anyone agree? Maybe like a little image of the VAR logo and then next to it either yes or no. Regards, MicroX ( talk) 01:14, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
User:jlwoodwa just PRODed like 100 articles for football (and more for other sports) in a short span, how is that acceptable? Clearly no BEFORE was done and doesn't give anyone time to scrounge up references in time for all of them before the PROD expiry. Is it possible to revert or at least expand review time before deletion? I don't think anyone benefits from mass nominations like this.-- Ortizesp ( talk) 20:01, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
Hi, Cameroonian footballer Constantin Pigla is listed with birth date of 7 May 1990. The article has zero references & two Ext. links. While searching, I'm finding results with Constantin Pigla - birth dates of 13 January 1986 and 14 January 1986. I did explain with copy edit tag at the article. Wondering if anyone here could help? Regards, JoeNMLC ( talk) 21:27, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
How do you add the extra details to the kits in info boxes? I am trying to add the adidas details to the newly launched Leicester City away kit and can only do the base design. Jimmy Skitz's Answer Machine 22:26, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
It's unclear from the article, but were all the past grounds in the Brentford area? Govvy ( talk) 21:00, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
Hello, I added the commemoration section in the association football culture and some other users polished this section.
I think that this section have reliable sources and This section don't have crucial flaws to delete whole section.
But some user deleted whole section. so dispute occured.
I hope to hear opinions of users with football expertise. Footwiks ( talk) 10:58, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
I think the issues with the proposed content are serious enough that we should remove it until it's fixed up. Footwiks can try and fix it up themselves, or ask for help from other editors. It would be reasonable to park it here in a new subsection or put it in a userspace subpage.
Shirt swapping, Pennant swapping, Starting XI photograph, Matchday transfer shirt - I believe that commemoration culture is the very important part of association football culture, especially only association football had these commemoration culture, now other sports adopted these cultures. We are experiencing these longstanding culture and traditions in the football match. In my opinion, commemoration culture should be included in the article - Association football culture
WP:3O - Administrator didn't said that We should remove whole commemoration section without any provisos. Administrator said that proposed content in the section should remove it until it's fixed up. "Footwiks can try and fix it up themselves, or ask for help from other editors."
Do you agree the official Manchester Utd website is a WP:RS for Jonny Evans squad number 27? https://www.manutd.com/en/players-and-staff/detail/jonny-evans
@ PeeJay: doesn't seem to think so and keeps reverting my update on Template:Manchester United F.C. squad JMHamo ( talk) 10:35, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
In United's own news story, they said Evans will wear number 27 for the friendlies, but they have been very careful not to say whether he will continue to do so in any official games., therefore Evans wearing #27 is reliably sourced only for the pre-season friendlies. Whether the squad template refers to regular domestic league season only, to any official tournament, or to any constelation of play by the club is a question that might benefit from discussion (if there isn't a previous discussion an editor can point us to). I would think it can be difficult to have the squad box refer to multiple tournaments or even the last matchday, as in some cases players can wear different numbers in different tournaments (usually in league and international). -- SuperJew ( talk) 10:42, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
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On the article, there is a key bit for confirmed to be released and contract negotiations! I've never seen that before and wasn't sure what to make of it. But does it not in a way breach WP:RECENTISM?? Not to mention the characters used seem a bit odd in context to use. Govvy ( talk) 08:29, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
Hello. Recently I've been having trouble choosing -- what should the common name of Marignane Gignac Côte Bleue FC be for putting in infoboxes? The club was founded as a merger from Marignane Gignac FC and FC Côte Bleue last year, so it's a fairly recent name. Any help is appreciated. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 16:23, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
Someone is insistent on reverting a part of Thomas Tuchel's bio because they presumably think their Nan is a better manager than him. I've mentioned that the content is well sourced and not old, but obviously that made no difference. Comes off as wp:podium to me.
Is it grounds enough to semi-protect the page?
The most recent of some 5 odd reverts: https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Thomas_Tuchel&diff=prev&oldid=1158998453 Murtaza.aliakbar ( talk) 19:12, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
2000 CECAFA Cup has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Onegreatjoke ( talk) 01:14, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
Just wondering if anyone could point me to a definitive source that confirms the birth date of George Raitt, who was born in Scotland around 1888. Hack ( talk) 03:11, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
There is an unreferenced article: List of naturalised international footballers and a category: Naturalised association football players. Is this for players who represented multiple nations at full senior level or for youth teams to senior teams? Echetus Xe 11:39, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
Hello! Should he be credited with winning CL when it appears he didn't play in a single match there in the season? I am asking because in another similar case (was about super cups) WP had decided that winning the trophy shouldn't be added in the Honours' section if the player never played in the tournament. Kind regards, Lorry Gundersen ( talk) 22:41, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
See 1896–97 Blackpool F.C. season and beyond, for example. The subject team is not listed in the main table. I don't know how widespread the issue is. Seasider53 ( talk) 09:22, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
In the 1898-99 season there is this team RETB that competed in Thames & Midway league, who is this RETB? What's the full team name? Anyone know? Regards, Govvy ( talk) 09:18, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
India national football team and India women's national football team jersey has been changed with new patterns, men's & women's]. Will be a great help if someone update the infobox jersey with the same pattern and colour. Thank you. Drat8sub ( talk) 15:39, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
Hey, the infobox for Harrow Borough F.C. says they were relegated, but they've actually been reprieved. The field is updated via the season updater template - I was considering just manually overriding it, but that would mean it would likely not get an update next summer. Plus there may be other sides where this is an issue. So can the field be updated while leaving the template in place? Cheers, HornetMike ( talk) 17:49, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
After a wikibreak, I was intrigued to see that FC Cincinnati (2016–18) was merged into FC Cincinnati in March 2023 after limited discussion by the user who most vociferously opposed treating the clubs separately back when the original consensus was found in 2018. While consensus can change, no MLS team was directly promoted into the league, and FC Cincinnati is now the only MLS team without separate articles for the MLS team and the minor league team of the same name (Seattle Sounders, Portland Timbers, Vancouver Whitecaps, Montréal Impact, Nashville FC, Minnesota United, and Orlando City, so it is not a limited number of teams - San Jose Earthquakes also have a separate NASL page.)
The question I'm posing - is this a problem? It's definitely causing issues with categories, for instance the year the club was founded, and the article currently implies the team was promoted. I'm only bringing this up because I would favour an un-merge. I also don't know why this is the only MLS team that insists that it's different? SportingFlyer T· C 23:47, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
I see that some featured articles and good articles (Real Madrid CF, FC Bayern Munich, Manchester City F.C., Chelsea F.C.) are still linking to the 2022–23 season articles and showing 2022–23 season kits. Is there a consensus on when to update links to the upcoming seasons? PS: Some mix alt kits from the previous season with the main kit for the new season. SLBedit ( talk) 00:06, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
It seems a little illogical that we have managerial changes listed at 2023–24 EFL League Two#Managerial changes that took place before the playoffs for the 2022-23 season had even started. And I appreciate it seems that this has always been the case, looking at previous seasons.
For players, contracts end at the end of June, and "pre-season" starts when they return to training some time in June/early July (depending on the club. So how can May 8th be described as "pre-season" for the 2023-24 season? Gricehead ( talk) 16:37, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
For most clubs, the current season is over, but the upcoming season hasn't started yet. So, I would say 30 June. SLBedit ( talk) 15:52, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
Referring Govvy here, to get them off my talk page. Seasider53 ( talk) 11:30, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
Please could people keep an eye on articles edited by MateusPumHeol - by inserting the nationality in articles of footballers who were born in another country has happened twice by the same user such as Charlie Savage (footballer). Especially as two edits have stood for a week. Iggy ( Swan) ( Contribs) 15:11, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
I'll ask this question although this may not be the best place for this kind of questions. I have been thinking of translating some it.wiki articles about early 20th-century Italian football for ages. Unfortunatley, the majority of the sources of the articles I wish to translate come from books I can't access. Should I trust what the article reads? Wikipediæ philosophia ( talk) 01:10, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
I have a very unusual question. By the time this year's UEL final ended, midnight had already passed. Should we say Sevilla won the cup on 31 May or on 1 June? Wikipediæ philosophia ( talk) 21:16, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
a football match has duration and doesn't happen in a single second, that is obviously true, but the act of winning the match happens in a single second, when the referee blows the whistle to end it -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 07:13, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
An overnight period may be expressed using a slash between two contiguous dates ... or use an en dash. Ie- we should be referring to the match (as a whole) as having taken place on 31 May / 1 June or 31 May – 1 June. Stevie fae Scotland ( talk) 10:06, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
A game scheduled on a day and played on that day is won for that day. What's so hard for that? Don't know why you guys are being so finical. Govvy ( talk) 10:45, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
Would we include amateur goals in articles? For example, in lists such as this or this? All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha ( talk) 13:35, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
2013 CECAFA Cup has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Onegreatjoke ( talk) 21:08, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
Hello. A few days ago, based on this RfC, a request was filed for bot to update all the (1,138) categories that fall under the following types:
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(eg: Category:Footballers in Andorra by club → Category:Men's footballers in Andorra by club) and all the articles in these categoriesCategory:"nationality" expatriate footballers
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(eg: Category:Andorran expatriate footballers → Andorran expatriate men's footballers) and all the articles in these categoriesSubcategories will not be changed. There are some variations/exceptions when "soccer", "soccer players", and conventions set by some countries are used. All these exceptions, new content of the categories, and other relevant information can be found at User:Usernamekiran/footballer categories. I have created the program/bot for this task successfully. Kindly let me know if you have any questions, or suggestions. I will file a request for bot in a few days from now. Regards, —usernamekiran (talk) 17:43, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
A series of IPs (probably the same person) are repeatedly removing the "more citations needed" tag, the inclusion of which in my opinion is valid as all of the important content (member clubs, list of champions) is not sourced. Could some more people keep an eye on it........? -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 19:58, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
It doesn't seem to be working at 2022–23 in Lebanese football#2023 Intercontinental Cup, as the "Final" section shows the Group stage. Can someone please help? Nehme 1499 08:59, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
Indian Super League, remaining part has several space/comma/grammar errors. Besides, "see also" has multiple overlinks. I tried but its locked and users careless. Many thanks https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1161570920 93.140.148.242 ( talk) 15:39, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
not sure if this should count as an official match for u21 caps or not? https://www.englandfootball.com/articles/2023/Jun/10/england-mens-under-21s-japan-match-report-20230610 world football, which is seemingly the best source for youth internationals doesnt count it but it kinda feels weird not to count this match? i do notice a guy already counted it as far as i can tell, i.e. someoen added this cap for James Trafford as his fifth caps but should it count? training match means prob not? but like, it could prob also be fair to say it counts as a cap? i recall not too long ago canada had a trianing senior match that didnt count as official caps tho i guess? Muur ( talk) 03:43, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
Where can I find which sources are considered reliable for football transfers? I've found in old threads that transfermarkt is considered unreliabe so which would be the best sources for finding all the transfers made by one team during a season? MinoTarui ( talk) 15:52, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
Would someone mind reverting this edit at Youri Tielemans? He doesn't actually become a Villa player until 1 July, and I'm on three reverts. Mattythewhite ( talk) 20:17, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
On 10 June 2023, Premier League club Aston Villa announced that they had reached an agreement to sign Tielemans on a free transfer, upon the expiry of his Leicester City contract on 1 July.As this is in the article, it should appear in the infobox too. -- SuperJew ( talk) 20:42, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
Hello! Can anyone watch over this article, please? It seems like someone tried to edit it amid speculation on his possible transfer to Inter Milan, but obviously there's no official press release...
Oltrepier ( talk) 10:22, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
Can someone please explain to Pindrice that MOS:REPEATLINK does not apply to templates and tables? See this edit. I explained to them that it's standard to keep the links, as can be seen in other major tournament articles such as 2022 FIFA World Cup#Group A, yet their answers on my talk page ( User talk:Nehme1499#2023 SAFF Championship) seem quite aggressive. Nehme 1499 11:10, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
I just accepted this stub at AfC and cleaned it up as the club were promoted to the top flight of Cameroonian football, but the title needs to be moved - Opopo is the club's nickname. However, there are already two other Victoria United F.C.s on Wikipedia - Victoria United and Victoria United F.C.. What's the best title for this article? It's actually not impossible that it might be the primary topic if Victoria United are still defunct. SportingFlyer T· C 18:08, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
Seems like some IP-disruption is starting up again, more eyes would be helpful. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 14:52, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
Why is this a reliable source? I've never edited this website nor do I know it deeply, but it looks user-generated. Anyone could request to be able to edit such website. User-generated websites are not reliable. Wikipediæ philosophia ( talk) 13:46, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
Hello everyone!
Just so you know, I've created the squads page for the tournament, as all of the national teams involved are unveiling their respective lists.
Oltrepier ( talk) 17:10, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
whats up with his weird ass looking infobox it looks nothing like other player Muur ( talk) 05:11, 29 June 2023 (UTC)s
2012 CECAFA Cup has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Onegreatjoke ( talk) 21:38, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
Hello. Looking for input in this discussion. It's about the WP:COMMONNAME of TSG 1899 Hoffenheim - I think that it's incorrect that we're still writing "1899 Hoffenheim" in infobxes. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 13:22, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
hello, a user who moved University of Bolton Stadium to Toughsheet Community Stadium but did it wrong. youre supposed to move the page, not turn the first one into a redirect and then make the new page. that loses all teh history of the old page and so now the new page has no history. could someone with the powers to fix it fix it, since i cant due to the fact i cant move a move to a page that already exists. he also did it a day earlier than he shoudldve... Muur ( talk) 21:15, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
I don't really get it why user @ Stevie fae Scotland: has been using a different style for UEFA reports, starting from this section. Same for Conference League. Is 2023–24 so special compared to ALL the previous? Classic links, as normally made, must be used. Island92 ( talk) 18:00, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
If all or most of the citations in an article consist of bare URLs ... then that would not count as a "consistent citation style" and can be changed freely. I have changed one page to meet Wikipedia policy. Just because it is the only one done that way, does not mean it is wrong. Similarly, just because numerous other pages are done a different way, doesn't mean they are right. Stevie fae Scotland ( talk) 18:16, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
Pinging users really active in these kind of pages to know what they think. @ S.A. Julio:, @ Nehme1499:, @ Pindrice:, @ Kante4:, @ PeeJay:, @ Dl.thinker:, @ Joseph2302:, @ Crowsus:, @ Sb008:, @ Walter Görlitz:, @ Riktetta:, @ Tomrtn:.-- Island92 ( talk) 17:28, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
Does anyone want to review Draft:2023–24 1. FC Nürnberg season? Kingjeff ( talk) 00:26, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
Hi all, PeeJay and I have been having a disagreement over at 1992–93 Manchester United F.C. season as to whether or not the kits should have logos on them. I originally added new, updated versions of the kits as they are better visually than the old ones. PeeJay reverted due to the logos present on the kits. Kits like these are used all over Wikipedia and Wikicommons and I’m not aware of any prior consensus not to include logos, however I’d like to get others opinions rather then getting involved in a edit war. REDMAN 2019 ( talk) 19:27, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
Template:Football box and Template:Football box collapsible need to be updated with a parameter for adding card information or at least red card information like that of goals. The collapsible template however have a scope to add "sent off"' which generates the red card info, but this parameter is listed along the goal parameter which seems wrong. Red card is a very rare information, does not occur often like goals and yellow card, this information gives a more insight to a match where red card is shown and the match played with less players and have impact on the outcome. As the second template have this, it has been used in various article across the Football project, but this is creating a chaos. One can argue card information can be added separately as always been used in the World Cup or Continental Cups' sub pages (FIFA WC/Continental Groups or Final match ) where match reports are discussed in details, but these tournaments are once in a 4 years things, but for small tournament like sub-confederation tournament, friendly tournament or friendlies it not feasible to make separate group pages so that match details can be added. Thus, I think we need a separate independent parameter in the football box templates for inclusion of cards, at-least for and to produce these card info. I strongly believe this will be very good for the project since many users want to add this red card info and indeed have been used various articles till now. I hope this update idea be agreed upon by most of the members here. Kindly add your suggestions or ideas to improve or solution for this. Thank you. Drat8sub ( talk) 14:19, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
Hi,
If anyone speaks Arabic (or has a decent translating app), could you please update the latest squad? I would do it myself if I could!
Many thanks,
Felixsv7 ( talk) 14:55, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
Hello everyone! As reported by a large portion of the Italian press in recent weeks ( here you are if you're looking for some examples), it seems like Atalanta is ready and set to assemble a reserve team, in a similar fashion as Juventus Next Gen. As confirmed by Serie C president Matteo Marani, B teams have been included and prioritized in the league's repechage list for next season; at the moment, Atalanta looks to be in the lead for it, as a few clubs are at risk of being excluded.
So, considering all this, I just wanted to ask if anybody already prepared a draft page for the team, while we're waiting for official news. Also, how should we organize it in comparison to the main club's page?
Oltrepier ( talk) 14:09, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
Hello! I've been contributing to the project quite regularly, and while we managed to get some progress in the last year, I think the general lack of users prevents it from going even further.
I'd love to promote this challenge across the site, but how can we do it? (Well, apart from using the invite template... : D)
Oltrepier ( talk) 14:21, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
In autumn 2021, he was diagnosed a neuropathy whenceforth he has been kept far from the pitch. In 2021-22, he was loaned to Standard Liège and in 2022-23, he only did some training with Juventus NG. His last Next Gen appearance was in spring 2021, while his last training session was in all likelihood in April 2023. Today, he's been loaned. Should I put 2019-2021 or 2019-2023 next to Juventus Next Gen in the infobox? Wikipediæ philosophia ( talk) 17:33, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
I have started a discussion on Talk:Demi Stokes about another place of birth issue. Sources seem to give one place but the article says she was born in another and an IP address changed that to Dudley before I deemed that as incorrect per sources used. Iggy ( Swan) ( Contribs) 21:39, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
Hi all, what do you think of these latest changes on the Turf Moor page? Personally, aligned with the version that went through the FAC process, I would keep the "F.C." in the infobox and first paragraph. This because it's clearer and more consistent. If one reads the owner parameter, they might think the town owns the stadium instead of the football club. Also, I don't see the point in writing "Football Club" in full when F.C. also suffices. I'm also missing the point why in the first sentence of the article it's now "Burnley" without any suffix, but a few sentences later the club name is fully spelled out ("Burnley Football Club").
I left a message on the user's talk page ( StarryNightSky11), but it was reverted without explanation. I find this a bit rich, since the user told that unexplained edits should be discussed. FYI, this user has not explained once why these latest edits would be an improvement.
I realise this might be a bit of a childish hassle, but I'm still interested in your opinions... Eem dik doun in toene ( talk) 22:02, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
2006 CECAFA Cup has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Onegreatjoke ( talk) 03:06, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
Really??? Men's footballers? Yes, it makes sense to disambiguate the sport as men's football or women's football, but the idea that the genitive can therefore be applied to participants is a total abuse of language. The footballers neither belong to nor pertain to men (or women). Kevin McE ( talk) 12:37, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
According to Category:Sportsmen by sport and nationality, three sports (football, basketball and volleyball) use "men's", while the remaining 18 use "male". Maybe we need a sports-wide discussion to standardize those 3 to use "male"? Nehme 1499 15:45, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
Out of interest, did those complaining about the change actually comment at the RFC? Giant Snowman 15:46, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
This article, which is in DYK on the front page at the moment, says that while playing college soccer in the US he "started all 18 games in 2010 and anchored the team's defense, totaling a career-high seven points". This reflects what the source says but what does it actually mean? How does a player accrue "points" in football........? -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 09:17, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
Hello! Is there anyone who can (and wants to) help me work on this article?
I've nominated it for WP:ITN, but it definitely needs to be expanded and integrated with plenty of sources...
[By the way, may his soul rest in peace]
Oltrepier ( talk) 16:55, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
Good afternoon all. Just reading about Luton Town promotion etc and when viewing their most recent season I can see some mark-ups occurring in lists such as
Appearances and goals. Significantly I note this: "Players with names struck through and marked † left the club during the playing season". I raised this
almost a year ago but it looks like we still have roughly the same 70 pages affected. I will start going through them tonight some time, but wanted to raise awareness again on
MOS:STRIKETHROUGH /
MOS:NOSTRIKE and confirm with the project if the MOS is to go for Cite error: There are <ref>
tags on this page without content in them (see the
help page). or daggers as I can see daggers are
proliferated throughout modern articles (along with asterisks)? From a plain English / legibility POV neither of these seem ideal.
Koncorde (
talk) 16:09, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
Hi, can someone kindly review Draft:2023 SAFF Championship squads? The tournament has finished over a week ago, and the draft has been sitting there for a month. Nehme 1499 11:30, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
Hello, could anyone please explain to StarryNightSky11 ( talk · contribs) that WP:KARLSRUHER is something that should be applied? I don't want to violate 3R on Timo Werner. -- Jaellee ( talk) 19:58, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
Hello! I have been trying to communicate to both an IP address and a user that we do not need to be adding every single goal that a player has scored to the prose of an article. This appears to be very common across a lot of articles for New York Red Bulls players, including Frankie Amaya, Tom Barlow, and Dante Vanzeir among others. I am a bit at a loss on how to deal with this, as I have tried engaging them on their respective talk pages rather than starting a new discussion across multiple article talk pages, but I have yet to receive a response, and this has been going on for at least a month. Could I get some additional eyes on these pages? Might be a relatively minor thing, but I recall at least one such discussion in which I was involved in the past that would be relevant here (albeit from when I was just starting out on Wikipedia). Jay eyem ( talk) 01:56, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
Why are club articles listing runner-up achievements in honours section? I noticed this by Michaeldble which I thought was not a good edit, so I reverted, but it's all mixed in again with an honours and achievement header, which I don't think is the right thing to do. Michaeldble did that on a good few articles I noticed. I was wondering what other people think as I personally don't feel you should be listing runner up in club honours. Govvy ( talk) 14:55, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
How should his infobox be dealt with now he has re-signed with Salford City? According to the club's retained and released list, he was released at the expiry of his contract, so is in a different situation to the likes of Ryan Watson, Matty Lund, and Conor McAleny, who were offered and accepted new contracts; Mariappa was released from the club, then offered a new deal. Is this a second spell at Salford, or a continuation of his first? All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha ( talk) 23:14, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
Request for input at the discussion at Campus PSG. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 09:01, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
Why do we list/describe Harry Kane as England's top goalscorer when Vivian Woodward scored well over 60 goals? All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha ( talk) 21:21, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
As above per Crowsus. England national football team is the national representative team that is entered into senior tournaments and so on - that is the subject of the article so that list should reflect only those goals for that team. Any other team organised by the FA doesn't count as they are not the England national football team. Woodward played for the ENF and scored a number of goals. He then opted to play strictly amateur football as the English FA specifically made the distinction between Amateur and Professional - and so was never selected for the ENF again. The List of men's footballers with 50 or more international goals is strictly speaking a huge piece of original research and a hot mess. Quite why Kanes U21 goals are included is beyond me - it explicitly states "Senior" in the first paragraph - which would similarly impact Woodward. Koncorde ( talk) 18:58, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
Clubs often decide to play some summer friendlies far from their country for economic reasons. In Italy, we call these the set of these friendlies tournée, borrowed from French. Does this word exist in English as well? Wikipediæ philosophia ( talk) 16:44, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
From dictionary.com [tourney]
- Most likely, what we have today for the word Tour is still the same spelling in Latin, tour, tourney and tournament probably have somewhat similar word history. Regards Govvy ( talk) 10:27, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
How many games did Xavi play for Barcelona? 767 or 779? I can find sources which say both. In fact I found a source that says both All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha ( talk) 20:32, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
Was this venue in West Ham? Or was it just outside of the West Ham area? Because it looked like it was directly next to East London Cemetery which is Plaistow. So I was wondering if the location should be noted as Plaistow instead? Govvy ( talk) 13:42, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
Wondering if an admin is willing to step in on what is seemingly an immature editor over at Sunderland A.F.C. He or she keeps adding the below prose to the lede, which is overly detailed and not important to the average reader. I reported them for 3RR a while back, but retracted it in the hopes of constructive discourse, but they can never find their keyboard when it comes to talk-page input. They were warned by another editor for WP:SLOWEW a few days ago in the Sunderland edit history.
"Between 1891 and 1939, "The Black Cats", as they are known – in addition to their six league titles – finished in the bottom half of the league only ten times, and finished in the top seven 28 times. Since World War II, their league performances have been considerably poorer, only finishing in the top half nine times (1947, 1949, 1950, 1953, 1955, 1956, 2000, 2001 and 2011), and only reaching the top seven four times (1950, 1955, 2000 and 2001). Furthermore, they have been relegated eleven times, and just over half of this period has been spent in the top flight (41 out of 76 seasons); of the 35 seasons in which they were outside the top flight, five have been spent in the third tier." - Seasider53 ( talk) 21:01, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
We have a standard way of editing - if a player is born in country X but plays for country Y, we do not include the nationality in the lede. @ Frenchl: is of a different view, and has made disruptive edits for a few weeks now. His current habit is this. What are thoughts? Giant Snowman 20:46, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
They're not omitted, they are placed in context. Sometimes the opening sentence or paragraph is not an appropriate place to discuss often complex national, ethnic, birth place, inherited, adopted, naturalised (and so on) nationalities. Especially as, routinely, they are poorly documented or develop as more information becomes apparent over their career. Koncorde ( talk) 18:05, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
There is a discussion regarding this topic; linking here as it is relevant to this project Joeykai ( talk) 21:21, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
Following their relegation from tier 2 to tier 3, Coventry United W.F.C. have relocated to Rugby and rebranded as Rugby Borough, therefore aligning themselves with Rugby Borough F.C. and disassociating from Coventry United F.C. (sources: [3], [4], [5]). My question is should we move Coventry United W.F.C. or start a new page? And if there's someone with experience with these kinds of changes, it'd be great if they could move/create/update the relevant pages. -- SuperJew ( talk) 11:28, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
I noticed that the qualifying stage of this season's UEFA tournaments ( Champions League, Conference League) have a different match report format. Instead of a direct link (e.g. Report), it now looks like this: Report [1]. Is this the new norm for match reports? Though more prominant tournaments like UEFA Euro 2024 qualifying Group A still use direct link report. Sofeshue ( talk) 08:59, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
standard practiceto improve
existing citations by adding missing information, such as by replacing bare URLs with full bibliographic citations. Essentially, no one is asking anyone to change the way they edit. All that the policy says is don't undo it if someone upgrades a bare URL to a full citation. Stevie fae Scotland ( talk) 09:28, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
What I assume is a Man City fan (given the tone of their post) has "overhauled" the Man City article (a featured article which is now veering into fan POV territory) which included the removal of the Premier League charge against the club; Midway through the season, the Premier League charged the club with over 100 financial rule breaches, including failing to comply with financial fair play rules. [1] Given the seriousness of the charge hanging over the club (and the fact the manager himself spoke of it right up to the conclusion of the season) it seems to be a breach of NPOV (ie. editorial bias) by omitting it. Should the charge be included? Nampa DC ( talk) 19:57, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
The 2022–23 season turned out to be the greatest in the club's history, as Manchester City won their third consecutive Premier League title, the FA Cup final against rivals Manchester United, and, most importantly, their maiden Champions League title, thereby assembling a rare feat – the continental treble. The road to the Champions League victory included convincing victories over the perennial favourites and European giants Bayern Munich, who were defeated 4–1 on aggregate, and Real Madrid, who suffered a 1–5 aggregate loss at the hands of City after their controversial 6–5 extra time victory at the same stage a year before.and so on. Koncorde ( talk) 23:25, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
I had discussed it with Kingsif about this on Talk:2023 FIFA Women's World Cup broadcasting rights - Wikipedia and decided to bring this issue here, so we can avoid more edit wars in the future
Should we tell users what companies had got the rights specificaly by language? [eg. Fox Sports (English) ]
Reasoning: More and More, Leagues, UEFA and FIFA are doing it, specially on North America (USA and Canada), other companies had done similar rights on Caribbean and parts of Europe, so therafore, for informative and historicity reason, i think we should put it on lists, similar in some that already have such as 2024 Copa América.
Some news articles about it Telemundo getting Spanish rights in USA, FOX getting English rights in USA, Some exemple of german-language rights for Switzerland, some exemple of Canadian French right
Meganinja202 (
talk) 00:27, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
User @ Dante4786 has started an edit war with me over how to display Vasil Khamutowski's club stint during 2003-2005. The user claims that 1) we should use present club name, despite the fact that we have an established consensus to use historical names piped to present ones, and 2) that FCSB "never owned the rights to Steaua name." Both FC Steaua București and FCSB articles state that name change was only forced on them in 2017. The name FCSB simply did not exist in 2003-2005. -- BlameRuiner ( talk) 07:27, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
@ Dante4786 You're right, it's not a contest. I backed my opinion with at least 5 examples of discussions at FOOTY that support my point. What did you do? Just pointed to a few other articles created or expanded by 1 other editor that never discussed this thing with anyone, which weren't corrected yet because nobody noticed yet. The only false information and confusion for the readers being introduced here is you claiming the player played for the club named FCSB in 2003, when that name simply did not exist. The difference between current name and historical name is why we use piping. While we're at it, do you suggest we should go to 1932–33 Divizia A article and change CFA to Rapid? In 2003–04 Divizia A change Steaua to FCSB? If no, why not?
Quote: By naming another team "Steaua" (a team that was legally striped down of that name), the text misleads people. It's a very convenient argument when you ignore the fact that they were stripped of the name in 2017. It doesn't work backwards.
Quote: And I don't see why Wikipedia:Naming conventions (sports teams) can't apply to players' articles... Perhaps the answer is the very first sentence in on that page: This page lists naming conventions for articles on sports teams.-- BlameRuiner ( talk) 05:42, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
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Hello, this requested move has been open for 16 days, but only GiantSnowman has been kind enough to respond. I would appreciate some input before the page is either moved or not moved. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 17:21, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
List of men's footballers with 1,000 or more official appearances has an ongoing dispute and edit war which has been unresolved for the past few days - there are two issues here as follows
Firstly - one user @ Lorry Gundersen is adamant that, for players in England, reserve team appearances and games played at a very junior level should be included as they can be deemed "official". All other identifiable contributors to this and archived discussions are equally clear that this is incorrect and that these types of games should not be counted. Despite acknowledging the consensus is against him however @ Lorry Gundersen is reverting any attempts to edit out these appearances and insisting that we provide proof that reserve team games are not considered official
Secondly - Same user and @ ItsKesha are engaged in an edit war over the huge number of citations and notes added over the past couple of years to this article
So I feel this page would benefit from some outside review and mediation ColchesterSid ( talk) 05:44, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
Hello! On another topic, with my leave from updating the article, due to lack of time reasons, and with Kesha "contributing" there, I can predict this article soon becoming "frozen" without updates, like the list of footballers with 500 or more goals, so I have to propose either deletion or reservation of the article in advance. Kind regards, Lorry Gundersen ( talk) 18:03, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
Is it possible to add to the infobox of a season or tournament if VAR will be used in the respective season or tournament. Since VAR isn't used universally across all leagues around the world, it would help to know without having to sift through pages or paragraphs of content only to find out there isn't any info. Anyone agree? Maybe like a little image of the VAR logo and then next to it either yes or no. Regards, MicroX ( talk) 01:14, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
User:jlwoodwa just PRODed like 100 articles for football (and more for other sports) in a short span, how is that acceptable? Clearly no BEFORE was done and doesn't give anyone time to scrounge up references in time for all of them before the PROD expiry. Is it possible to revert or at least expand review time before deletion? I don't think anyone benefits from mass nominations like this.-- Ortizesp ( talk) 20:01, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
Hi, Cameroonian footballer Constantin Pigla is listed with birth date of 7 May 1990. The article has zero references & two Ext. links. While searching, I'm finding results with Constantin Pigla - birth dates of 13 January 1986 and 14 January 1986. I did explain with copy edit tag at the article. Wondering if anyone here could help? Regards, JoeNMLC ( talk) 21:27, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
How do you add the extra details to the kits in info boxes? I am trying to add the adidas details to the newly launched Leicester City away kit and can only do the base design. Jimmy Skitz's Answer Machine 22:26, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
It's unclear from the article, but were all the past grounds in the Brentford area? Govvy ( talk) 21:00, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
Hello, I added the commemoration section in the association football culture and some other users polished this section.
I think that this section have reliable sources and This section don't have crucial flaws to delete whole section.
But some user deleted whole section. so dispute occured.
I hope to hear opinions of users with football expertise. Footwiks ( talk) 10:58, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
I think the issues with the proposed content are serious enough that we should remove it until it's fixed up. Footwiks can try and fix it up themselves, or ask for help from other editors. It would be reasonable to park it here in a new subsection or put it in a userspace subpage.
Shirt swapping, Pennant swapping, Starting XI photograph, Matchday transfer shirt - I believe that commemoration culture is the very important part of association football culture, especially only association football had these commemoration culture, now other sports adopted these cultures. We are experiencing these longstanding culture and traditions in the football match. In my opinion, commemoration culture should be included in the article - Association football culture
WP:3O - Administrator didn't said that We should remove whole commemoration section without any provisos. Administrator said that proposed content in the section should remove it until it's fixed up. "Footwiks can try and fix it up themselves, or ask for help from other editors."
Do you agree the official Manchester Utd website is a WP:RS for Jonny Evans squad number 27? https://www.manutd.com/en/players-and-staff/detail/jonny-evans
@ PeeJay: doesn't seem to think so and keeps reverting my update on Template:Manchester United F.C. squad JMHamo ( talk) 10:35, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
In United's own news story, they said Evans will wear number 27 for the friendlies, but they have been very careful not to say whether he will continue to do so in any official games., therefore Evans wearing #27 is reliably sourced only for the pre-season friendlies. Whether the squad template refers to regular domestic league season only, to any official tournament, or to any constelation of play by the club is a question that might benefit from discussion (if there isn't a previous discussion an editor can point us to). I would think it can be difficult to have the squad box refer to multiple tournaments or even the last matchday, as in some cases players can wear different numbers in different tournaments (usually in league and international). -- SuperJew ( talk) 10:42, 23 July 2023 (UTC)