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Moved current version of recent addition with its sources from the article, where it doesn't belong, particularly in the lead section, to here.
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The lead section style guideline is pretty specific on this: "Apart from basic facts, significant information should not appear in the lead if it is not covered in the remainder of the article." Such an exceptional claim in the opening sentence encourages the reader to read the rest of the article to find out more, only there is no more.
Please see also MOS:WTW, which lists words and phrases to avoid, especially the sections MOS:PEACOCK ("best" and "renowned") and tells us "Instead of making subjective proclamations about a subject's importance, use facts and attribution to demonstrate it", and MOS:WEASEL ("considered", "regarded"), "views that are properly attributed to a reliable source may use similar expressions, if those expressions accurately represent the opinions of the source. Reliable sources may analyze and interpret, but for editors to do so would violate the Wikipedia:No original research or Wikipedia:Neutral point of view policies."
Some of these links are to guidelines, which we're recommended but not obliged to follow. But we are obliged to follow policies. The content has to be verifiable with reference to reliable published sources, and we need to avoid drawing unwarranted conclusions from multiple sources (see WP:SYNTH, a section of the no original research policy).
What it comes down to, is (a) despite the current epidemic of footballer pages with "one of the best" sentences in their leads, they're very rarely appropriate; (b) what we should be doing, even if it is rather more difficult, is to use reliable sources to create content in the body of the article that describes the player's career to date, mentions their achievements at relevant points, and illustrates their strengths and weaknesses with proper attribution (which means the reader can see who said what); and only then (c) sum it up in the lead without needing to make apparently subjective proclamations. cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 09:51, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
Do not edit Jude Bellingham’s page until June 4 2023. On that day, the La Liga ends. After the La Liga ends, someone has to update Jude Bellingham’s date in Dortmund as he is leaving that club after Real Madrid’s season is over. He hasn’t left yet. 2A02:C7C:AD6A:4400:F5C4:7C0:870B:2C10 ( talk) 17:07, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
It is likely that with Bellingham’s transfer to Madrid ( https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65836734) this page is going to become very popular in coming days. Thus, I want to make some suggestions of what we, as Wikipedia editors, need to do to improve this page.
1. The Birmingham City section needs to be based more on facts. It is generally good however.
2. The Borussia Dortmund section needs lots of improvement:
• This section (“It had long become obvious that Bellingham would leave Birmingham, and it was reported that he and his father had visited several major clubs, of which Manchester United and Bundesliga club Borussia Dortmund were the favourites. Impressed by Dortmund's record of including young players as regulars in the first team, as evidenced by the likes of Jadon Sancho, that became his destination of choice. He flew to Germany for a medical, and the transfer was confirmed on 20 July 2020: he would join after Birmingham's last match of the season. The undisclosed fee was understood by Sky Sports to be an initial £25 million – making him the most expensive 17-year-old in history – plus "several million more" dependent on performance-related criteria.”) is not well sourced and the language used should be more encyclopaedic.
• Many paragraphs have little reference to dates (specifically months and days) and so this needs to be added.
• There is a long gap in time at the time of me writing this ( https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Jude_Bellingham&oldid=1158989997) between the last two paragraphs, and more needs to be added to detail Bellingham’s near miss on the league title. Detail about the run-in and the awards Bellingham received after the end of the season should also be recorded. Preferably we could split up each of Bellingham’s three seasons at the club using sub-headings.
3. If a phrase such as this (see below, copied from talk message above) is to be used in the lede (and I believe it should be), then a ‘Style of play’ section detailing Bellingham’s technical game and attributes, as well as the reception towards him, should be created. If there is enough content for this next action to be justified, this section could be renamed ‘Player profile’ and could be split using the subheadings ‘Style of play’ and ‘Reception’.
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These changes can be made quickly, if we all try. Thank you. Scientelensia ( talk) 15:10, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
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End carrer in Borrusia now he a real madrid player
Add a real meadrid Oskarynalev2 ( talk) 20:06, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
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I want to edit this page to change some of the information. Mo ahmed1285239882 ( talk) 11:19, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
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Real Madrid have signed Jude Bellingham 2A02:C7E:4E08:A500:E8B6:BFD0:EA3A:72F0 ( talk) 05:47, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
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Jude moved to Real Madrid , and he’s not in Borussia Dortmund anymore
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Should include him being one of the best youngsters in the world, a title that many credit him with especially at 19 years of age. Same source used for Phil Foden. 82.35.88.151 ( talk) 22:30, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
What's all this about repetitive changes about changing from *Borussia Dortmund and club number 22 to Real Madrid and club number 5* and vice versa. It seems like everyone who has edited the article since the Real Madrid announcement has their own way of thinking which version is correct. Obviously, after 1 July, which has reappeared in the lead and stays that way as of this timestamp, everyone will recognise he is definitely playing for Real Madrid. Iggy ( Swan) ( Contribs) 19:20, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
this transfer deal will not fall in the current 2022/2023 financial year, but in the 2023/2024 financial year.. The PLEASE READ! section may also be worth reading, with Sartaj267 explaining the mention of 1 July which might just be that user's own knowledge when giving that out 3 weeks ago.
Can someone change the main picture for Jude? Like this is such a bad angle and it’s old. Change it to one with him at Madrid 2600:8801:8D15:1700:2479:F03E:D414:9E77 ( talk) 22:59, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
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Regarded as one of the greatest midfielders in the world Detroit is back ( talk) 07:38, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
Bro, why only LaLiga matches? Champions League should count too. This is theft Themadridista14 ( talk) 21:50, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
where he is from 41.114.178.245 ( talk) 12:34, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
We've seem to be having a lot of occurrences that photos in the infobox of Bellingham of Real Madrid are judged to be copyvios, as I've noticed just now. Please stop uploading photos from websites, or ones which appears to be cropped, unless permission is granted. Iggy ( Swan) ( Contribs) 16:49, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Jude_Bellingham&diff=prev&oldid=1185289996 The user tried to delete this text earlier and I reverted them, saying “Partial rv – whoever has deleted so much content has deleted many relevant records broken and equaled by Bellingham and many stats people may find interesting. The content is not hard to read and football fans may wish to read this: there is often no need to remove detail when this is what makes an encyclopedia, and especially when there is no where to move the content. I agree however that less notable goals should not be written about, so thank you whoever deleted the some.” Scientelensia ( talk) 19:23, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
And again, a lot of details added. Why does it have to be here that "analysts also praised the signing" or "Bellingham experienced a prolific preseason in which he found favour with Real Madrid’s fans". Kante4 ( talk) 15:08, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
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In career statistics, the total goals before he joined Real Madrid is stated as 24 but the totals add to 28. Change 24 to 28. 2.29.58.113 ( talk) 12:38, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
@ Kante4 @ Mattythewhite: Sorry to mention you here, I was wondering since the current header is from a bad angle and outdated, can this image from Flickr be used as the new header image? If it is possible, I would upload it on Commons.
Link: https://www.flickr.com/photos/footpicshd/52543011552/in/photolist-2oSoS8D-2o43ELh-2poYRc2 EndzoneEnthusiast 08:20, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
I‘m not sure but apparently he got recently the Irish nationality SamarkandHFK ( talk) 09:09, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page. |
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Moved current version of recent addition with its sources from the article, where it doesn't belong, particularly in the lead section, to here.
References
The lead section style guideline is pretty specific on this: "Apart from basic facts, significant information should not appear in the lead if it is not covered in the remainder of the article." Such an exceptional claim in the opening sentence encourages the reader to read the rest of the article to find out more, only there is no more.
Please see also MOS:WTW, which lists words and phrases to avoid, especially the sections MOS:PEACOCK ("best" and "renowned") and tells us "Instead of making subjective proclamations about a subject's importance, use facts and attribution to demonstrate it", and MOS:WEASEL ("considered", "regarded"), "views that are properly attributed to a reliable source may use similar expressions, if those expressions accurately represent the opinions of the source. Reliable sources may analyze and interpret, but for editors to do so would violate the Wikipedia:No original research or Wikipedia:Neutral point of view policies."
Some of these links are to guidelines, which we're recommended but not obliged to follow. But we are obliged to follow policies. The content has to be verifiable with reference to reliable published sources, and we need to avoid drawing unwarranted conclusions from multiple sources (see WP:SYNTH, a section of the no original research policy).
What it comes down to, is (a) despite the current epidemic of footballer pages with "one of the best" sentences in their leads, they're very rarely appropriate; (b) what we should be doing, even if it is rather more difficult, is to use reliable sources to create content in the body of the article that describes the player's career to date, mentions their achievements at relevant points, and illustrates their strengths and weaknesses with proper attribution (which means the reader can see who said what); and only then (c) sum it up in the lead without needing to make apparently subjective proclamations. cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 09:51, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
Do not edit Jude Bellingham’s page until June 4 2023. On that day, the La Liga ends. After the La Liga ends, someone has to update Jude Bellingham’s date in Dortmund as he is leaving that club after Real Madrid’s season is over. He hasn’t left yet. 2A02:C7C:AD6A:4400:F5C4:7C0:870B:2C10 ( talk) 17:07, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
It is likely that with Bellingham’s transfer to Madrid ( https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65836734) this page is going to become very popular in coming days. Thus, I want to make some suggestions of what we, as Wikipedia editors, need to do to improve this page.
1. The Birmingham City section needs to be based more on facts. It is generally good however.
2. The Borussia Dortmund section needs lots of improvement:
• This section (“It had long become obvious that Bellingham would leave Birmingham, and it was reported that he and his father had visited several major clubs, of which Manchester United and Bundesliga club Borussia Dortmund were the favourites. Impressed by Dortmund's record of including young players as regulars in the first team, as evidenced by the likes of Jadon Sancho, that became his destination of choice. He flew to Germany for a medical, and the transfer was confirmed on 20 July 2020: he would join after Birmingham's last match of the season. The undisclosed fee was understood by Sky Sports to be an initial £25 million – making him the most expensive 17-year-old in history – plus "several million more" dependent on performance-related criteria.”) is not well sourced and the language used should be more encyclopaedic.
• Many paragraphs have little reference to dates (specifically months and days) and so this needs to be added.
• There is a long gap in time at the time of me writing this ( https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Jude_Bellingham&oldid=1158989997) between the last two paragraphs, and more needs to be added to detail Bellingham’s near miss on the league title. Detail about the run-in and the awards Bellingham received after the end of the season should also be recorded. Preferably we could split up each of Bellingham’s three seasons at the club using sub-headings.
3. If a phrase such as this (see below, copied from talk message above) is to be used in the lede (and I believe it should be), then a ‘Style of play’ section detailing Bellingham’s technical game and attributes, as well as the reception towards him, should be created. If there is enough content for this next action to be justified, this section could be renamed ‘Player profile’ and could be split using the subheadings ‘Style of play’ and ‘Reception’.
References
These changes can be made quickly, if we all try. Thank you. Scientelensia ( talk) 15:10, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
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End carrer in Borrusia now he a real madrid player
Add a real meadrid Oskarynalev2 ( talk) 20:06, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
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I want to edit this page to change some of the information. Mo ahmed1285239882 ( talk) 11:19, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
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Real Madrid have signed Jude Bellingham 2A02:C7E:4E08:A500:E8B6:BFD0:EA3A:72F0 ( talk) 05:47, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
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Jude moved to Real Madrid , and he’s not in Borussia Dortmund anymore
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Should include him being one of the best youngsters in the world, a title that many credit him with especially at 19 years of age. Same source used for Phil Foden. 82.35.88.151 ( talk) 22:30, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
What's all this about repetitive changes about changing from *Borussia Dortmund and club number 22 to Real Madrid and club number 5* and vice versa. It seems like everyone who has edited the article since the Real Madrid announcement has their own way of thinking which version is correct. Obviously, after 1 July, which has reappeared in the lead and stays that way as of this timestamp, everyone will recognise he is definitely playing for Real Madrid. Iggy ( Swan) ( Contribs) 19:20, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
this transfer deal will not fall in the current 2022/2023 financial year, but in the 2023/2024 financial year.. The PLEASE READ! section may also be worth reading, with Sartaj267 explaining the mention of 1 July which might just be that user's own knowledge when giving that out 3 weeks ago.
Can someone change the main picture for Jude? Like this is such a bad angle and it’s old. Change it to one with him at Madrid 2600:8801:8D15:1700:2479:F03E:D414:9E77 ( talk) 22:59, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
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Regarded as one of the greatest midfielders in the world Detroit is back ( talk) 07:38, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
Bro, why only LaLiga matches? Champions League should count too. This is theft Themadridista14 ( talk) 21:50, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
where he is from 41.114.178.245 ( talk) 12:34, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
We've seem to be having a lot of occurrences that photos in the infobox of Bellingham of Real Madrid are judged to be copyvios, as I've noticed just now. Please stop uploading photos from websites, or ones which appears to be cropped, unless permission is granted. Iggy ( Swan) ( Contribs) 16:49, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Jude_Bellingham&diff=prev&oldid=1185289996 The user tried to delete this text earlier and I reverted them, saying “Partial rv – whoever has deleted so much content has deleted many relevant records broken and equaled by Bellingham and many stats people may find interesting. The content is not hard to read and football fans may wish to read this: there is often no need to remove detail when this is what makes an encyclopedia, and especially when there is no where to move the content. I agree however that less notable goals should not be written about, so thank you whoever deleted the some.” Scientelensia ( talk) 19:23, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
And again, a lot of details added. Why does it have to be here that "analysts also praised the signing" or "Bellingham experienced a prolific preseason in which he found favour with Real Madrid’s fans". Kante4 ( talk) 15:08, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
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In career statistics, the total goals before he joined Real Madrid is stated as 24 but the totals add to 28. Change 24 to 28. 2.29.58.113 ( talk) 12:38, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
@ Kante4 @ Mattythewhite: Sorry to mention you here, I was wondering since the current header is from a bad angle and outdated, can this image from Flickr be used as the new header image? If it is possible, I would upload it on Commons.
Link: https://www.flickr.com/photos/footpicshd/52543011552/in/photolist-2oSoS8D-2o43ELh-2poYRc2 EndzoneEnthusiast 08:20, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
I‘m not sure but apparently he got recently the Irish nationality SamarkandHFK ( talk) 09:09, 12 March 2024 (UTC)