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If anyone has a spare moment, please take a look at Film in Kansas City and the current AfD. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 17:40, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
Burt Kwouk has been nominated to appear in the Recent Deaths section of the Main Page. Input from members of this WP is requested at WP:ITNC. Mjroots ( talk) 20:29, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
Hey all, I just wanted to double-check something and see how you'd all approach this: At 24 (2016 film) the film's budget of ₹65 crore (650 million) is supported by an explanatory note and three references [1] [2] [3]. The first, firstpost.com, appears to be an interview with the film's producer, and it looks to me like the other two are parroting this data. So my questions are: 1) can we use a primary source, i.e. an interview, as a source for financial data, and 2) are any of the other two references sufficient? Thanks, Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 15:07, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
Hey, guys, there is a disagreement between me and Film Fan over the usage of a poster in the article Boy & the World (see the article talkpage). WP:FilmPoster says "Ideally, an image of the film's original theatrical release poster should be uploaded and added to the infobox to serve as an identifying image for the article." I always thought the "original" mentioned here to be the original release i.e. in the country that produced the film. However, Film Fan points it is somewhat ambiguous and thus the original theatrical release in the English-speaking world is enough. I don't disagree that his interpretation is right and I maybe wrong. But I would like to have someone third-party to clarify. Or, if there is disagreement I think it would be good for us to get a consensus and clarify it. Gabriel Yuji ( talk) 03:20, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
Hey all, this is a two-parter: 1) What's the community's stance on describing films as being a "cult hit" or "cult favorite" or having a "cult following" or anything related to "cult"? 2) Is anyone willing to consider adding something to MOS:FILM to address "cult" labels? This comes up often, particularly for bad films, and it would be nice to have a guideline on it. From my perspective, if all that's required to label something as having a "cult following" is a source that indicates a small loyal fanbase exists for it, wouldn't that describe just about every film, mainstream or obscure? Lipstick was being described as a cult film. Donnie Darko is described as a cult hit, Premam was described as a cult hit. Grandma's Boy attracted a cult following. Dhool is a cult masala entertainer... Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 15:39, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
There is a content dispute on Thora Birch about whether a film that began filming a few days ago should be given an entire paragraph of description in the article. If anyone wants to read more or comment, go to Talk:Thora Birch#Above Suspicion. Thanks. Sundayclose ( talk) 23:56, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
I made an edit on the article for Amber Heard where two pre-production films were listed. I was reverted due to the fact she was confirmed to star in the projects listed. Aren't projects suppose to be filming before they are included in the infobox? I'm just double checking for future editing. Vmars22 ( talk) 14:56, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
Hi. A new user, Captnmorgz, has being adding the field "genre" to the infobox on film articles, despite it not being supported. I've dropped a note on their talkpage asking them not to do this. However, there's about 100 articles that they have edited with this ( example). If there's a quick way to undo this, it would be appreciated. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 08:44, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
I’ve just opened an RFC at WT:MOS#Are editions of major works also major works? to ask how Wikipedia should present the names of special releases or re-releases of creative works, such as collector’s editions, director’s cuts, or extended versions. The way I asked it focuses on video games, but it applies to all creative works that are commonly released in multiple “editions.” Please join in the discussion there. — 67.14.236.50 ( talk) 22:44, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
With the upcoming modern franchise in the pipeline, there is some activity at this article, and at Universal Monsters Cinematic Universe (2014–present) and Universal Monsters Cinematic Universe (1931–1948) (!?!) which may not be the best way to present the information. I think it starts going wrong after this version. See also Talk:Universal Monsters Cinematic Universe (2014–present)#Requested move 25 May 2016. -- Rob Sinden ( talk) 11:53, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
Just to let you, I requested a move here.-- TriiipleThreat ( talk) 19:55, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
That's no moon. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 07:11, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
Please see this move discussion. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 17:59, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
Hey y'all I've been noticing a lack of really good production sections for a while, and part of it, I've come to realize is that there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of people working on them.
I've been working on, I guess you could say, the "beat" for a couple years now and I find it to be super rewarding. You basically go in and find out info about what makes a movie tick. Generally what I do is I try to find interviews with actors, directors etc. and then put the relevant info into the article. If that seems like too much work, we could always use more people to convert Proseline into Prose, a lot of the info for upcoming films and recently films are already there, just not in a form which, I'd call "digestible". If you're good with words, it might be up your alley. I just generally wanted to invite more people to do this, because I can see the number somewhat dwindling. -- Deathawk ( talk) 22:23, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
Just found out that the Silent Era website is no longer live. The homepage has this message: "Silent Era has discontinued publication. We thank you for your readership and support." All the links are dead, but can be found via the web archive. Rats. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 07:59, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
So I've been noticing that a lot of our articles for films that screened at Cannes mention that the film received a standing ovation. Two examples: 1, 2, and a Google search with tons of hits. Is this really something worth mentioning? The fact that there are so many incidences of these makes me think that it is just done as a matter of course rather than to distinguish a single film. Some of the mentions try to distinguish it by noting the length of the clapping, like "seven minutes long" or "fifteen minutes long" but we have to remember that it's just clapping which everyone follows along with. Lastly, in many of these cases it isn't actually the film itself receiving the clapping, but the appearance of the director or the cast. Opencooper ( talk) 21:49, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
Please see this. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 07:22, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
...which may be of interest to the members of this group can be found at Talk:Stark Mad#Unsourced material. BMK ( talk) 19:54, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
This editor is going about changing a lot of categories, removing the general year ones in favour of by genre and year. Annie Hall the recent change, removing Category:1977 films. I think he needs to be stopped, can you look into it?♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:23, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
People on wikipedia have the tendency to overcategorize which at times is irritating when browsing. I want to see an A-Z of every film from 1977, not have to sift through 10 categories to find a few entries! If people want a list of thriller films from 1975 or whatever then we have lists of films by genre for that.♦ Dr. Blofeld 07:15, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
In addition to horror films being categorised by year, there had already been a few years of drama films by year, so I'm merely extending that in other genres. Why would it be useful for one or two genres, but not for others? Jim Michael ( talk) 09:14, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
I think this is relevant to this discussion. J 1982 has just expanded a lot of the [Decade] science fiction films cats to yearly ones. See their contributions, here. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 17:56, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
All categories are now listed at CfD here. Please can people comment there? I'll notify people who've been involved in this discussion too, so they don't miss it. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 08:57, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
Since this CfD outcome is relevant to the project, please see my close here. ~ Rob Talk 22:49, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
I have nominated Fritz the Cat (film) for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Laser brain (talk) 16:48, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
Please see the discussion here. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 12:08, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
Two pages exist for the same film. Both of them need to be merged into one.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Babji2000 ( talk • contribs) 15:02, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
Hi all, what would you do in this situation? Manmarziyan (2016 film) is an Indian film that began principal photography, but (according to content found at Vicky Kaushal) there was a creative shakeup and the director was replaced. Principal photography is now allegedly slated for August 2016 (according to the unsourced sentence in the Vicky Kaushal article). Do we keep the article up, or redirect it? We've satisfied WP:NFF's requirement that principal photography must have begun, but now we're in limbo. Thoughts? Thanks, Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 23:11, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
This is just a notice that members of the Television project are considering overhauling and rewriting our MOS, headed up by myself. As the film project and their MOS is closely related to the TV counterpart, I wanted to leave this here in case anyone is interested in participating. Nothing is happening until August 2016, but there is a discussion regarding interest in the endeavor which you can find here, and add your signature if you would like to be a part of the effort. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 01:16, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
An IP who appears to be from Alberta, Canada has been causing disruption by repeatedly adding POVish material to the critical reception sections of Gravity and the Star Wars prequel trilogies. This is a clear violation of WP:NPOV and WP:SYN. I removed them, but was repeatedly reverted and I want to bring this up here in order to avoid a potential violation of WP:3RR and blocking. What should be done in this case? Lord Sjones23 ( talk - contributions) 23:05, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
Hey guys, a couple of weeks ago I opened a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Film to propose a minor tweak to the film lead guidance, specifically to address how languages might be treated in the lead. This may not be a daily issue for those of us who speak English and work in English-language film articles, but it has relevance internationally and for coverage of non-English films. Please take a look at the discussion if you can spare a few minutes. Thanks. Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 04:19, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
In the article La Dame aux Camélias, there's a list of movie adaptations based on the novel and a bunch of these were silent films described as "an English language silent film" or "French language silent film", etc., but if they were silent, was it really in a language? Wouldn't the words have been in the language of whatever country was showing it? Or does that wording sound right? I've been overthinking it, so now I'm suffering from semantic satiation and need someone else to snap me out of it. :) Also the article needs a lot of copyediting that doesn't require being familiar with the story, and I could use some help if anyone has time. Thanks! —PermStrump (talk) 21:43, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
The following wiki page combines two different movies.
The page contains 2 infoboxes and is very confusing. Can they be separated out? Babji2000 ( talk) 01:09, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
Please see this discussion. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 18:45, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
Currently there is a pole to add Ben-Hur and Titanic to the list of 10,000 vital articles on Wikipedia. The poll is here: /info/en/?search=Wikipedia_talk:Vital_articles/Expanded#Modern_visual_arts The list already includes 30+ films. Arman ( Talk) 01:51, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
Please see this discussion. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 06:47, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
Hi all. I've opened a discussion on the above at the following talkpage. Talk:List of accolades received by Mad Max: Fury Road. I welcome any comments on it. Cowlibob ( talk) 10:11, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
Please see this discussion. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 18:32, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
Regarding White savior narrative in film, there has been a discussion this past week about including The Matrix on it and cross-linking both articles. The discussion can be found here. Editors are welcome to review the discussion and endorse what should be included or excluded in the article. Erik ( talk | contrib) ( ping me) 12:42, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
Many participants here create a lot of content, have to evaluate whether or not a subject is notable, decide if content complies with BLP policy, and much more. Well, these are just some of the considerations at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship.
So, please consider taking a look at and watchlisting this page:
You could be very helpful in evaluating potential candidates, and maybe even finding out if you would be a suitable RfA candidate.
Many thanks and best wishes,
Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 00:04, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
This issue has been the subject of a slow-burn edit war for years. I think it would benefit from a discussion and a decisive consensus so I have started a survey at Talk:Jaws_(film)#What_genre_should_go_in_the_lead.3F. I haven't formalized it as an RFC because I don't want to waste the formal RFC procedure on a genre war, but if enough film editors add their preference then hopefully we can get a decisive outcome. Betty Logan ( talk) 17:12, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
I recently created an article for CHIEF ZABU /info/en/?search=Chief_Zabu. Shortly thereafter it was reviewed and I received this notice: "(This article or section may have been copied and pasted from http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094859/ (DupDet · CopyVios), possibly in violation of Wikipedia's copyright policy. Please remedy this by editing this article to remove any non-free copyrighted content and attributing free content correctly, or flagging the content for deletion. Please be sure that the supposed source of the copyright violation is not itself a Wikipedia mirror. (June 2016)" However, I myself wrote both the IMDb blurb as well as the Wikipedia article, so there is therefore no copyright infringement, as I am the owner of both. How can I get the notice taken off the Chief Zabu article page? Thank you! Matzohboy (talk) 23:55, 7 June 2016 (UTC) Matzohboy ( talk) 23:17, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
Category:Films shot at Pinewood Atlanta Studios has been created, and I am not sure if this will be seen as a reasonable new sub-branch of films by shooting location, or possibly overcategorization. Please comment at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2016_July_5#Category:Films_shot_at_Pinewood_Atlanta_Studios if you like. thanks, Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 18:30, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
Hey all, a couple of weeks ago I opened a discussion at MOS:FILM to propose a change to WP:FILMLEAD. The guideline doesn't presently offer any advice on how to deliver info about a film's language in the lead, so I wrote something up and Betty and NinjaRobotPirate refined it. If any of you have any thoughts, your comments would be appreciated, otherwise, I'll just boldly make the change in about a week. Thanks, Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 15:51, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
An editor is repeatedly changing the genre to "romantic sports drama film". I have started a discussion at Talk:Rocky#Genre. Betty Logan ( talk) 19:04, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
A discussion concerning the proposed renaming of Il coltello di ghiaccio → Knife of Ice is taking place at Talk:Il coltello di ghiaccio#Requested move 8 July 2016 —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 16:06, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
This article was recently split into Marianne (1929 silent film) and Marianne (1929 musical film), though the two are clearly related and neither has any substantial content. Is it wise to have two separate articles, or would they be better re-merged? PC78 ( talk) 19:01, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
Please see: Talk:Indo-Bangladesh joint production#The state of this article in July 2016
Thank you, all.
Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 09:22, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
Please see this and this. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 08:57, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
Requested move busters. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 17:55, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
I would expect to find articles about the score of the film in the sub-categories under Category:Film scores by composer, not the articles about the films themselves (for example, the article for the film Chariots of Fire contains the category Category:Film scores by Vangelis). Wouldn't a better naming convention be "Category:Films scored by Foo"? If there's some agreement here, I'd be happy to lead the renaming process through WP:CFD. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars Talk to me 17:22, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
I have some concerns about the coverage of the reception at The Dark Knight Rises. Discussion at Talk:The_Dark_Knight_Rises#Reception_needs_to_be_changed._Source_not_good_enough. Bottom line I think we need to add more neutral commentary to the reception section (i.e. sources that do not describe the reception as "overwhelmingly positive") to balance it out a bit or the non-neutral stuff needs to come out. I don't mind either solution, but it would be great if we could get some comments/suggestions about how to resolve the issue. Betty Logan ( talk) 00:56, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
For anyone interested comments would be appreciated for this move request from High-dynamic-range imaging to High dynamic range. -- GrandDrake ( talk) 23:23, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
There is a request for comment underway regarding whether or not to include The Matrix in the list of films at white savior narrative in film. The RfC can be seen here: Talk:White savior narrative in film#Inclusion of The Matrix. Editors are invited to comment. Erik ( talk | contrib) ( ping me) 18:08, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
There is an ongoing discussion over on the talk page for the article List of giant-monster films. We are debating the criteria that should be enforced when including films on the list, and we need more opinions. A major topic involved is whether a monster's size, in relation to humans and/or natural animals, would dictate its inclusion. Please join in if you can! -- Matthew - ( talk · userpage · contributions) 21:13, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
Lately, I've noticed an increasing trend to use Metacritic to state authoritatively – without in-text attribution – what a film's reception was, especially in the lead ( example). Given that Metacritic only requires four reviews for a consensus, I'm not sure I like this. The other problem, when Metacritic indexes many reviews, is that it doesn't index all reviews. It collects many of the mainstream sites that we use – Variety, The New York Times, the Los Angeles Times, Entertainment Weekly, Total Film, The Guardian – but it's quite limited in some respects. It doesn't index any horror websites, such as Fangoria, Bloody Disgusting, Dread Central, and Shock Till You Drop; prominent British genre magazines, such as Starburst and SFX; non-English-language newspapers; or some smaller websites that we (or, at least, I) often source, such as Ain't It Cool News, Twitch Film, and CraveOnline. If you want to know what Manohla Dargis, Kim Newman, or Richard Roeper thought about a film, Metacritic is great. But what about the other critics? What about the French-language newspapers in Montreal, such as La Presse, whose voice is not heard on Canadian films? Note that their roundup for Shaun of the Dead features only US reviews. Though the roundup for Mad Max: Fury Road does include several non-US reviews, there isn't a single one from Australia. NinjaRobotPirate ( talk) 05:46, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
In view of the inconsistency in regards to how the transgender Wachowskis are credited in film articles I have started a discussion at Talk:The Matrix Reloaded#The Wachowski credit in the lead in attempt to address the problem. Your project has a stated interest in at least one of the articles so please feel free to join the discussion if you would like to have your say or if you can offer a constructive solution to the issue. Betty Logan ( talk) 02:37, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
Three Leslie Nielsen films A Choice of Two, Foxfire Light and Murder Among Friends.♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:16, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
Please see this CfD. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 19:50, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
A requested move discussion at Talk:Money Talks (disambiguation) involving several film pages is underway. Discussion and opinions are invited. — AjaxSmack 01:56, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
After a bit of move warring at Comedy horror, there were several CfDs for horror comedy/comedy horror film categories. The most recent two closed with no consensus and a suggestion that an RM be held at the main article's talk page. The RM did not officially happen, but there's a discussion at Talk:Comedy horror#"Comedy horror" or "horror comedy"?!. The result of this discussion will probably decide whether the categories under Category:Horror comedy films should be renamed. NinjaRobotPirate ( talk) 05:12, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
I was reading the article about the Wilhelm scream and reminded me of a question that is keeping me busy for some years. There is a sound wich I first heard in the final level of the video game DooM. In this level you're in a large (square) room and from the opposite wall rockets shoot towards you accompanied by some kind of schwoop sound. Later this sound returned in many, MANY movies. Every time something explodes and something comes flying across the screen, or when (for example) an RPG is fired this sound can be heard. My question is; did the creators of DooM make this sound especially for the game and did the film industry "borrow" it, or did the game makers take it from some library themselves? OXYGENE 7-13 (TALKPAGE) 13:59, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
@ Erik: I'm restricted by a whitelist so I'm unable to click on the link offered, but from the provided information I can make up that this is the one. Still the question remains... Did they create this sound themselves? OXYGENE 7-13 (TALKPAGE) 14:43, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
@ Erik: Thanks a lot! I really appreciate the fact that you were willing to do what you did. I mean, it's not your problem that I'm restricted so once again, thanks! Finally after so many years (20 at least...) I know now that this sound already excisted. In the Dutch Wilhelm scream article you can read that after you've noticed this effect, it stands out like a sore thumb in every movie who has included it. That's the "problem" I've got with this sound. Problem solved. OXYGENE 7-13 (TALKPAGE) 15:16, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
Hi, I've opened a discussion at Talk:List of highest-grossing films in Malaysia. The article could use some community guidance for scope. Currently it appears to be a giant list of American, Indian, Chinese and other nation's films, rather than on Malaysia's films. Thanks. Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 16:22, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
It appears there is a newly registered genre warrior ( Hotndead ( talk · contribs)) in our midst. I see Lugnuts has already had the pleasure of making his acquaintance. Anyway, I don't think Hotndead is in any danger of becoming an asset to the Film project so I would appreciate it if other editors periodically check his contributions over the next few days. If the activity is ongoing we may have to get him canned. Betty Logan ( talk) 18:11, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
Remove this. I find it insulting and innapropriate. hotndead ( talk) 22:45, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
Dear film experts: This article: The Weinstein Company describes the company as "one of the largest mini-major film studios in North America". Is "mini-major" some kind of specialized studio-related jargon? If so, what does it mean, exactly? I'm tempted to change it to "mid-sized" or just leave out the descriptor altogether, but since I am not knowledgeable about the film industry I thought I'd ask first.— Anne Delong ( talk) 12:46, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
Is this film notable? My google search didn't turn up much in reliable sources or show that the film won any major awards. Many of the hits were about an animated version or the previous films in the sequence. Mdtemp ( talk) 16:46, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
186.85.89.130 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is making a lot of questionable edits to various film related pages. Could someone from this project please review them for accuracy? Feinoha Talk 01:00, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
I'm not really looking to stir up a hornet's nest here, but I'm a little concerned that with several film-related list articles, the word "featuring" is being used in an ambiguous manner. For instance, List of films featuring dinosaurs. It appears to me that "featuring" may be being used as a synonym for "including".
The best analog I have, off the top of my head, is that I imagine that if we were to say that a film "features" certain actors, we would be talking about the actors who were top-billed, or close to it, not merely every actor who appears in the film. King Kong features a giant ape, but does it "feature" the various other creatures that appear in the film?
Any thoughts folks might have would be appreciated. I freely admit I may be being overly-pedantic on this. DonIago ( talk) 20:51, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
Greetings, all. I was just wondering whether there is a pre-existing consensus with respect to whether http://www.filmaffinity.com/ is considered a reliable source or not. As I understand it it has both self-generated and user generated content, so it is a bit of a grey area. Regards, Vanamonde ( talk) 06:58, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
Very funny actor, last seen in "Keanu". Could somebody please create an article Jamar Malachi Neighbors — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:810D:9CC0:25AC:601C:DFDF:F0DB:E25 ( talk) 10:07, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
Please see the discussion here. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 07:16, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
Opinions are needed on the following matter: Talk:Angelina Jolie#The lead -- attractiveness as part of notability. A WP:Permalink for it is here. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 01:50, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
There's a collaborations section on James Gunn that has become unwieldly and is stretching the page considerably. Should it be removed or is there some other protocol to deal with this? Nohomersryan ( talk) 18:07, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
Please see the discussion at WT:Review aggregators#Phrasing in examples regarding the standardization of film aggregator summary statements. -- GoneIn60 ( talk) 02:25, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of maritime science fiction media. This also involves the newly created Category:Maritime science fiction films, which was used to justify changing the genre in the lead of at least three articles. - Gothicfilm ( talk) 04:13, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
We now have Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 August 1#Category:Maritime_science_fiction. Note that this category was used to justify repeated edit warring in the lead of several articles. - Gothicfilm ( talk) 04:00, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
And there is a third one: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Maritime science fiction. - Gothicfilm ( talk) 04:42, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
I've started a discussion on the inclusion of cast/crew names on TV/film navboxes here at WT:Navigation Templates. -- MASEM ( t) 15:35, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
Hi all, should it be of interest, there are two discussions about whether or not to merge Tollywood Highest grossing movies and List of highest-grossing Tamil movies into List of highest-grossing Indian films.
The discussions can be found at:
Thanks. Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 20:37, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
Can anyone tell if this 3 minute short has any notability independent of the recent feature film, or can it be merged to Lights Out (2016 film)?
I've already redirected Lights Out 2 per WP:NFF. PC78 ( talk) 20:41, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
Could somebody clean up and expand Auteur theory so that it's a little more comprehensive? I'd do it myself but my knowledge of cinema is lacking. I've tried my best to address issues relating to POV and RS. This is how the article looked before I had to remove every unsourced statement. -- Ilovetopaint ( talk) 06:20, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
On the article for Sasuage Party, I've changed the starring listing on the infobox based upon the bottom poster billing block, but I keep getting reverted, with the top poster block being used instead. Which one is used for feature reference?
If you do a Google search of " Scouts Guide to the Zombie Apocalypse budget" every link that shows up says the budget was $15 million. Talking about dozens of links including Forbes, IMDB and Box Office Mojo. None say $24 million except this document an editor found - https://indd.adobe.com/view/87976431-f650-4be0-a9c3-392d676b5514 Which is correct? 2.102.187.157 ( talk) 22:33, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
"Per the infobox rules, BOM is not generally RS since it does not give a source."I don't know this to be true. Might I please trouble you to clarify that with the infobox instructions you mean? I see
"Budget figures can be found at Box Office Mojo and The Numbers, with the latter usually listing a mainstream website as the main source of the budget, such as the Los Angeles Times, Variety, etc."but I don't interpret that to mean that BOM is not RS unless it provides a source. If that's the intention of that phrasing, it's not clear and should be changed. Regards, Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 00:06, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
This started as a discussion on Talk:Selma_(film). The film is described as 'British-American', evidently because one of the many production companies is based in the UK. That seems to me to be an extremely weak standard for calling a film from another country. When I look movies up on Wikipedia and see 'British-American film' I presume it's set in Britain, has British actors etc. This movie made me do a hard double take as it's so clearly American.
If there is agreement, I would propose setting some standard for what constitutes an American film (or a film from any country) and what it takes to add additional countries to that description, particularly in the lede. Perhaps a reliable source has already laid out criteria we could use. Then I would propose articles be updated to reflect this standard. 2602:30A:C06E:EDC0:6DB5:E9A2:B4E8:F1D0 ( talk) 21:47, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
A genre warrior has been repeatedly changing the lead at Lost in Space for the last month. More comments would be useful at Talk:Lost in Space#Space Western/Science Fiction. - Gothicfilm ( talk) 05:25, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
Genres properly belong in an encyclopedia. It is subgenres that are causing the problem. I would support making it clear at WP:FILMLEAD that the primary genre should be the default. Allow a second genre or subgenre only when needed. Most of the problems come from genre warriors trying to put in their preferred subgenres, and it gets down into ridiculous dividing games. When disputes arise, we should be able to point out that the primary genre is favored. - Gothicfilm ( talk) 05:49, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
Despite being repeatedly warned Taeyebar used the newly created Category:Maritime science fiction films to return and change the lead again at Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea and The Abyss. He ignores WP:BRD and even reported me at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:Gothicfilm reported by User:Taeyebar. Others may want to comment there. - Gothicfilm ( talk) 00:06, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
The Evita award list is newly created and nominated for Featured list status. Please feel free to comment. — IB [ Poke ] 12:19, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
Hey All We have a new bot that detects potential copyright concerns. You can sort them by WikiProject. Here is the link to the list for WP Film. Of course follow up requires some common sense as it could be the source copying from us. Ping me if you are interested in more details. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 20:54, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
Members of this Wikiproject may wish to post their input here Talk:Dr. Strangelove#Misc improvements. MarnetteD| Talk 22:04, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
Do any of you think Finding Dory is a spin-off? I really think so on account that the film centers on Dory who was originally a supporting character in Finding Nemo. 173.55.97.103 ( talk) 22:07, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
I've set up a page for Wikipedia:WikiProject Film/Golden Hollywood Contest. The idea would be quality improvement on our core articles for this period, improving actors, directors, films and related content and expansion work on stubs/undeveloped content which should be much better by now. The system would be partly based on the successful Awaken the Dragon and current West Country Challenge contests, with points and prizes allocated to certain tasks. If you think you might be interested in participating in the contest or editathon, or at least support the idea add your name to the Interested section at the bottom and we'll see how it progresses. I think it's time an annual contest was held for WP:Film. Potentially the film project could be running a few each year targetting different areas, one could be on French/Italian neo-Realist cinema etc. I wouldn't have the time to run them all but potentially I could help set things up and attract people to help run them. The Wales and West Country contests so far have seen 1400 article improvements, I think the same mechanism could be applied to film and potentially we see more participants and contests improved. The thinking would be a daily prize for most work, like a DVD, or book, something related to film.♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:19, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
A lot of people must be on holiday. I had thought a lot of people would jump at the chance to run this sort of thing for WP:Film! Does nobody here support running a drive to improve the core articles at least, even if you might not edit?♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:13, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
This topic again! An attempt to codify the consensus of not including cast and crew in navboxes, and not having filmographies in navboxes is at WT:CLT#Proposal for WP:PERFNAV (or similar). -- Rob Sinden ( talk) 15:03, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
Hi all, can anyone please take a look at Abhishek Pictures and see whether it might meet general standards for a film distribution company? I know that WP:NCORP would be the right notability criteria, I guess I'm more interested in whether or not the film community would expect the list of distributed films to be appropriate for inclusion. It looks like fluff to me (and unsourced fluff at that). For some background, there is a person/people involved at this article who may only be here for promotional purposes. ClayFace32 was indeffed as a sock of Barney83Stinson. KittenLynch popped up 2 days after I blocked Barney. Even if I were to indef KittenLynch on duck behavior, that would still leave an article behind, either to develop if you guys thought it worthwhile, or to redirect or AfD if either of those were warranted. Thoughts appreciated. Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 18:51, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
Permalink to the version of the article with the distribution list. Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 19:46, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
I am looking for someone who can archive the sources for the Steve Jobs article in order to comply with the GA recommendation. Rusted AutoParts 20:46, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
Above category is up for discussion here. Additional opinions are welcome. DonIago ( talk) 13:25, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
Similarly, another new category created by the same user can be discussed here. Input welcome. - Gothicfilm ( talk) 01:38, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
Gladiator (2000 film), an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. BlueMoonset ( talk) 01:02, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
I was just reading the April and the Extraordinary World article and see that only the French voice actors are listed. I was going to add the voice actors' names for the English version, but I am not sure whether that is standard and if so how to list them. The French language is clearly the original language, but the release in English is probably more significant for readers of the English Wikipedia, since they will likely only ever hear the English voiced version. 99.192.90.233 ( talk) 11:53, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
On this article the full list of 100 (well, 102) films is reproduced. Does this fail WP:TOP100? And come to think of it, does the article meet any notabilty levels? It's been mentioned in various news sources, but as far as I can tell, they all just repeat the fact that the BBC created this list, rather than showing any long-lasting notability. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 12:21, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
Hi. I am here mainly because of large absences AFI's recognitions in film sites though it is missing in neglecting or in famous films. Because it is just good for my opinion and film fans will welcome it. I know you tried to educate me about my edits and I somehow did not listen because I am new here. But I am starting to handle this huge system and I need your advise in my next editing. In the Manual of Style for film articles in Accolades section states that you can mix prose and bullets. I am trying to do it in this way and I hope you will welcome it as my first steps. Yesterday, it has taken me about four hours to remake. I have three reasons why. First, it is more comfortable for me because they are so many backlogs for doing it in prose. Second, it is more panoramic because you can find every AFI recognition already in "Contents" and click straight in this section. And third, almost every AFI recognition which was already done (not by me) was in the points way and it seems you do not worry because it is still there (I can show you hundreds of examples). Plus, I have already recieved a few thankful notices for my editing and I have also added three articles about films which they were not here before because of it. Please, I have spend lots of hours to prepare this system for my editing. Allow me to do it in this way and I promise I don't disappoint you. Dr.saze ( talk) 10:23, 07 August 2016 (UTC)
Drsaze if I see you make any more personal attacks on other editors (contrary to WP:NPA) or threats (as you did on my talk page), I will file yet another report on your behaviour at ANI. – SchroCat ( talk) 15:06, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
Hi. I have some good idea for all of you. will not add nor AFI nominations neither wins further here and I will also delete every single edit concerning AFI information. Instead, I will make a huge list of films prized by the American Film Institute on PDF format and offer you to include it on main AFI's lists articles as a reference to all the AFI accolades but ranked according to the films. It will be more comfortable and compliant for all of us. I think it is a good splution when I am not allow to edit AFI nominations. And I want to supply that offer of my favours is still valid. - Dr.saze ( talk) 11:07, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
Special:Contributions/Cryptozoologist3
Special:Contributions/Drunkenpeter99 — from about January 21, 2011 to August 20, 2011
Special:Contributions/Skywalker80100 — from about September 12, 2011 to June 30, 2012
Special:Contributions/StewieBaby05 — from about October 20, 2012 to June 6, 2015
(According to User:StewieBaby05, the last 3 are the same person.) Davemck ( talk) 22:33, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
I've noticed something strange with Category:English-language films: When I use the category page to try to find films that begin with a letter, it directs me to a list of films that begin with a different letter entirely. Just recently, for example, I clicked on "P" in the "Contents" banner at the top of the page, only to be directed to a list of films starting with "E". Do project members have any idea what is causing this? FreeKnowledgeCreator ( talk) 22:50, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
I can't remember if there has ever been a discussion about items like this before. As I stated in my edit summary these "As of DATE actors x, y and z are the only surviving cast members" mentions are WP:INDISCRIMINATE info and they require WP:OR to keep up to date. It is just a random fact that has nothing to do with the making of the film nor does it have anything to do with the film itself. Now this is just one editors opinion and if there is a WP:CONSENSUS to include them then so be it. I did think it was time to make a decision one way or the other. Thanks ahead of time for any and all input. MarnetteD| Talk 21:53, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
A number of users have set up a task force for Pakistani cinema and have requested that it be added to the project banner. I know the creation of a new task force should probably have been discussed here first, but what's done is done and they already have five interested users (that's more than some of the existing task forces), so personally I think we should accept this request and let them get on with things. Just wanted to post here and give others an opportunity to comment before taking this any further. PC78 ( talk) 16:25, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
Hey there, I don't see anything at WP:FILMYEAR that addresses inclusion criteria. An issue came up at Talk:List of Malayalam films of 2016. If a film has been announced and can be sourced as being planned, should it be added to the various list articles, or does it need to have started principal photography to be included? Seems like on the one hand you run the risk of adding a lot of soon-to-go-nowhere films to the list, on the other hand, 2020 in film wouldn't exist without planned-but-maybe-not-yet-in-principal-photography films. Thaaaaaaanks. Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 04:11, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
I notice that Fep1970 is going around adding these to articles. See Honor Blackman and Roger Moore. I regard them as completely arbitrary, WP:SYNTHESIS and non-defining. Who really cares who the oldest actress is to play a Bond girl? James Bond is hardly in the "grab a gran" business is he? The record is confusing too: while Honor Blackman may well be the oldest living Bond girl Monica Bellucci was the oldest at the time she played a Bond girl. IMO these boxes are on a par with template spam and I'm all for purging them. How do other editors feel about them? Betty Logan ( talk) 19:18, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
Two questions:
Answers on a postcard! Betty Logan ( talk) 19:48, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
Please see the discussion here. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 07:15, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
This involves using the original Ghostbusters (2016 film) or Ghostbusters: Answer the Call, a DVD title. Please see the discussion here. Thanks. - Gothicfilm ( talk) 04:54, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
Although this page move is about the novel, it may interest some people here. If you've not got a pain in your Gulliver, you might want to contribute. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 06:59, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
Bit disappointed that some of the WP:film veterans like Erik, Lugnuts, Shawn in Montreal, Bede, Andrez and some of the others haven't supported the idea of this at least. We could really bring about some major improvements, and then you could run one targetting different areas of film. I've postponed it until there is more support.♦ Dr. Blofeld 08:58, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
An IP editor keeps splitting the 1966 Art Direction oscar (which also covered set decoration) into two separate categories and stating the film won six oscars rather than five. This clearly contradicts the Academy's own site as I point out at the talk page. Can I get a couple of third party comments at Talk:Doctor_Zhivago_(film)#Art_Direction.2FSet_Decoration plz as I am going to apply for page protection if the IP attempts to change the information again. Betty Logan ( talk) 16:00, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
There are currently at least three reliable sources that say the film Toni Erdmann is German-Austrain:
Vmars22 insists that the film is also coproduced by Switzerland and Romania and these countries should be mentioned in the infobox and categories, but has failed to provide any reliable source that backs such a claim. The user thinks that a Hollywood Reporter article supports this claim, but it clearly isn't the case. I don't want this to escalate into an edit war. Can anyone here help to solve this case? Raamin ( talk) 15:15, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
I was wondering if the term meant a love story with a period setting. Does it mean that, or something else? The category Category:Historical romance films may also be reworked based on useful comments. Kailash29792 ( talk) 02:52, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
Two issues have come up at Talk:List of films based on Marvel Comics that need discussion.
An editor has added Category:Epic films based on actual events to both Gone with the Wind (film) and Doctor Zhivago (film). They apply to some extent because the films are set during significant historical periods (i.e. the American Civil War and the Russian revolution) but the characters in both are fictional. They are not like Titanic when some of the key supporting cast have real-life counterparts. Using this rationale you could claim that every WW2 film is "based on real-life events" even if it has fictional characters undertaking a fictional mission/battle. So how should this category be interpreted? Do the "actual events" relate just to a setting, or should we interpret the events as being central to the plot with real-life character counterparts? Betty Logan ( talk) 14:06, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
I invite all active members on the WikiProject Film to participate on the discussion at Talk:Fifty Shades Darker (film)#Focus Features. Callmemirela 🍁 {Talk} ♑ 10:39, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
Trying to keep a couple of facts, supported by reliable sources in the production section. For some reason, another editor is saying they violate NPOV. The facts are these: 1. 90% of the film shot in New York; 2. Only $6 million of the film's budget was spent in Massachusetts. That's it. And these facts keep getting removed in borderline edit war. Any input would be appreciated. Depauldem ( talk) 17:00, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
All, there has already been discussion on the talk page: Talk:The Departed/Archive 3#Filming location and budget. Erik ( talk | contrib) ( ping me) 17:20, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
I see 37 articles in the Category:Fan films based on Star Wars, but there are many more. Not all of them are notable enough to have their own article, perhaps even most of them. I would even say that of the 37 existing articles, probably half of them don't pass our notability criteria. However that may be, perhaps it is a good idea to make a List of Star Wars fan films? Debresser ( talk) 00:04, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
At white savior narrative in film, there is an ongoing issue about where to locate detailed trope-related coverage about individual films: in their respective entries, in more general sections, or both.. Additional input is welcome. See the discussion here: Talk:White savior narrative in film#Merging "Classifications". Erik ( talk | contrib) ( ping me) 14:59, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
I was about to tag Category:Films set in New York (state) for speedy deletion, but I guess this seems like a good time to discuss the matter of what to do with the New York categories instead. In short, we've got too many of them. If you look at Category:Films set in New York (note the lack of disambiguation), there are subcategories for about a dozen small NY counties. Each of those subcategories ultimately has between one and five films in it. I say "ultimately" because they're often subdivided into incredibly specific sub-sub-categories, such as Category:Films set in Hyde Park Town, Dutchess County, New York. I noticed this a while ago, but I didn't want to deal with it. Maybe we should bring all these tiny, ultra-specific categories to CfD. Any other ideas? Also, which should we use: NY or NY (state)? NinjaRobotPirate ( talk) 20:27, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
OK, all the small categories have been nominated for merging. See Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 September 23#Category:Films set in Albany County, New York. NinjaRobotPirate ( talk) 00:46, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
Feel free to pick the bones out of this one, here. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 18:14, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
Please see this page move discussion. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 06:52, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
Hi all, your comments are requested at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film/Indian cinema task force#Need thoughts about how to communicate Kabali gross. Familiarity with Indian films is not a prerequisite. (I don't watch Indian films, I just help maintain the articles.)
The issue in a nutshell: The gross estimates for a Tamil-language film, Kabali, seem to be all over the map. Some estimates would make the movie the #2 highest-grossing Indian film (no small achievement considering Tamil is spoken by 60 million people, whereas Hindi is spoken by 422 million) whereas other estimates would put it around the #12 spot. There is also a strange lack of attention to this film by the various respected Indian newspapers. Anyhow, the issue is how to communicate the information effectively across the project, like at List of highest-grossing Indian films, which presents such data in tabular format.
If you are so inclined, please contribute your thoughts at at the Indian cinema task force. Thanks! Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 18:18, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
Mariacer Cervantes has added row-spanning to this family of articles. If you compare the top table at List of 1993 box office number-one films in the United States for example, this is how it did look and this is how it looks now. I know some editors are fond of row-spanning, but in this case I consider it detrimental to to the article because it makes it more difficult to see which box office gross relates to which week. I propose reverting them back to the original format but I would like to know what the general sentiment is first. Betty Logan ( talk) 17:07, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
Over the last day an anonymous editor has been initiating changes to the color scheme at articles such as Motion picture rating system, Video game rating system and Television content rating systems. They all deploy a long-standing consistent color scheme and IMO the changes are not an improvment and have some WP:ACCESSIBILITY implications. I have highlighted my concerns at Talk:Motion_picture_rating_system#Table_changes. I am not particularly precious about the color scheme, but it should be intuitive and contrasting. The biggest problem for me is the lack of contrast between red and brown, but if there are an editors who are color blind or have eyesight problems their input would be much appreciated. Betty Logan ( talk) 22:58, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
The category Fantasy horror films is up for deletion. You can voice your opinion on this at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 September 28. Andrzejbanas ( talk) 15:10, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
Hi there! Does anyone know the WP where it states (or if it states) that only the distributors, release dates of that country are included in the infobox? Vmars22 ( talk) 12:52, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
Is there a policy on this? Should film articles have a link to a Youtube trailer in the ex. links? I know this topic has come up in the past on here, but the discussions are years old and didn't really go anywhere! Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 13:12, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
99% of the time that film company also made a website for the film, which will be an EL in the first place, and will likely contain links to trailers too.- Favre1fan93 ( talk) 17:16, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
Hi. I do not expect lots of support here but I would be very pleased if anyone will appreciate my AFI's lists... scheme and help me to publish it wherever (not specificially on Wikipedia). So if somebody really would do not be shy to write on my talk page or here and I will send you that documentary by mail. Thanks. - Dr.saze ( talk) 16:43, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
Hi! I was curious to know, where would I go to file for protection on the Annapurna Pictures article? It keeps getting vandalized. Vmars22 ( talk) 20:45, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
Could people please take a look at the article Roadshow theatrical release ?
It gives the impression of being the personal thoughts of one or more editors ( WP:NOTESSAY );
it doesn't have cites for many of the claims made. ( WP:WHYCITE )
Thanks.
-- 179.210.192.170 ( talk) 03:13, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
Opinions are needed on the following matter: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 September 30#Category:Films about hebephilia. This is the second time this is being discussed. Please weigh in. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 17:52, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
Is at AfD. Please see the discussion. Thanks. Lugnuts Precious bodily fluids 06:58, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
Just a heads up that an IP editor has been removing notes from cast/personnel lists that the person was uncredited, as well as overlinking names in articles on Alfred Hitchcock films. They were at 107.77.209.33 ( talk · contribs · WHOIS) yesterday and I left them a message, but they're at it again today at 107.77.206.47 ( talk · contribs · WHOIS). Opencooper ( talk) 23:23, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
Before things get out of hand, I want to solicit some opinions here about Gangs of New York. Earlier today, I removed the word "fictional" from the lede, with the edit summary "Removed "fictionalized" from lede; of course it's a work of fiction." Rms125a@hotmail.com restored the word, saying "o some people think it's a full color documentary -- important to point out complete lack of historical verisimilitude," which, to me, is not an encyclopedic argument, as I said when I reverted him. It is not standard practice, in my experience, to point out in a lede that a film is "fiction," as this is assumed. So, before this turns into an edit war, I would like some other editors to weigh in. Thanks. --- The Old Jacobite The '45 20:19, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
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help page).I just looked up Scum on my mobile and you don't see the categories after Cast on the mobile version of the article, I had a look to fix it but couldn't see where the problem is or why. Maybe someone else can have a look cheers. Govvy ( talk) 20:14, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
I do not understand the phrase "Parker is a no-bull charmer" in this review by Peter Travers.-- TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:41, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
A discussion about whether the famous match-cut in 2001: A Space Odyssey should be specifically mentioned in the plot summary: Talk:2001:_A_Space_Odyssey_(film)#Mentioning_Match_Cut_in_Plot_Section. It's essentially two against two at the moment so I think outside opinion is needed to resolve it since arguments are starting to go in circles. Betty Logan ( talk) 03:15, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
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If anyone has a spare moment, please take a look at Film in Kansas City and the current AfD. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 17:40, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
Burt Kwouk has been nominated to appear in the Recent Deaths section of the Main Page. Input from members of this WP is requested at WP:ITNC. Mjroots ( talk) 20:29, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
Hey all, I just wanted to double-check something and see how you'd all approach this: At 24 (2016 film) the film's budget of ₹65 crore (650 million) is supported by an explanatory note and three references [1] [2] [3]. The first, firstpost.com, appears to be an interview with the film's producer, and it looks to me like the other two are parroting this data. So my questions are: 1) can we use a primary source, i.e. an interview, as a source for financial data, and 2) are any of the other two references sufficient? Thanks, Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 15:07, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
Hey, guys, there is a disagreement between me and Film Fan over the usage of a poster in the article Boy & the World (see the article talkpage). WP:FilmPoster says "Ideally, an image of the film's original theatrical release poster should be uploaded and added to the infobox to serve as an identifying image for the article." I always thought the "original" mentioned here to be the original release i.e. in the country that produced the film. However, Film Fan points it is somewhat ambiguous and thus the original theatrical release in the English-speaking world is enough. I don't disagree that his interpretation is right and I maybe wrong. But I would like to have someone third-party to clarify. Or, if there is disagreement I think it would be good for us to get a consensus and clarify it. Gabriel Yuji ( talk) 03:20, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
Hey all, this is a two-parter: 1) What's the community's stance on describing films as being a "cult hit" or "cult favorite" or having a "cult following" or anything related to "cult"? 2) Is anyone willing to consider adding something to MOS:FILM to address "cult" labels? This comes up often, particularly for bad films, and it would be nice to have a guideline on it. From my perspective, if all that's required to label something as having a "cult following" is a source that indicates a small loyal fanbase exists for it, wouldn't that describe just about every film, mainstream or obscure? Lipstick was being described as a cult film. Donnie Darko is described as a cult hit, Premam was described as a cult hit. Grandma's Boy attracted a cult following. Dhool is a cult masala entertainer... Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 15:39, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
There is a content dispute on Thora Birch about whether a film that began filming a few days ago should be given an entire paragraph of description in the article. If anyone wants to read more or comment, go to Talk:Thora Birch#Above Suspicion. Thanks. Sundayclose ( talk) 23:56, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
I made an edit on the article for Amber Heard where two pre-production films were listed. I was reverted due to the fact she was confirmed to star in the projects listed. Aren't projects suppose to be filming before they are included in the infobox? I'm just double checking for future editing. Vmars22 ( talk) 14:56, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
Hi. A new user, Captnmorgz, has being adding the field "genre" to the infobox on film articles, despite it not being supported. I've dropped a note on their talkpage asking them not to do this. However, there's about 100 articles that they have edited with this ( example). If there's a quick way to undo this, it would be appreciated. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 08:44, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
I’ve just opened an RFC at WT:MOS#Are editions of major works also major works? to ask how Wikipedia should present the names of special releases or re-releases of creative works, such as collector’s editions, director’s cuts, or extended versions. The way I asked it focuses on video games, but it applies to all creative works that are commonly released in multiple “editions.” Please join in the discussion there. — 67.14.236.50 ( talk) 22:44, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
With the upcoming modern franchise in the pipeline, there is some activity at this article, and at Universal Monsters Cinematic Universe (2014–present) and Universal Monsters Cinematic Universe (1931–1948) (!?!) which may not be the best way to present the information. I think it starts going wrong after this version. See also Talk:Universal Monsters Cinematic Universe (2014–present)#Requested move 25 May 2016. -- Rob Sinden ( talk) 11:53, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
Just to let you, I requested a move here.-- TriiipleThreat ( talk) 19:55, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
That's no moon. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 07:11, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
Please see this move discussion. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 17:59, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
Hey y'all I've been noticing a lack of really good production sections for a while, and part of it, I've come to realize is that there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of people working on them.
I've been working on, I guess you could say, the "beat" for a couple years now and I find it to be super rewarding. You basically go in and find out info about what makes a movie tick. Generally what I do is I try to find interviews with actors, directors etc. and then put the relevant info into the article. If that seems like too much work, we could always use more people to convert Proseline into Prose, a lot of the info for upcoming films and recently films are already there, just not in a form which, I'd call "digestible". If you're good with words, it might be up your alley. I just generally wanted to invite more people to do this, because I can see the number somewhat dwindling. -- Deathawk ( talk) 22:23, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
Just found out that the Silent Era website is no longer live. The homepage has this message: "Silent Era has discontinued publication. We thank you for your readership and support." All the links are dead, but can be found via the web archive. Rats. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 07:59, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
So I've been noticing that a lot of our articles for films that screened at Cannes mention that the film received a standing ovation. Two examples: 1, 2, and a Google search with tons of hits. Is this really something worth mentioning? The fact that there are so many incidences of these makes me think that it is just done as a matter of course rather than to distinguish a single film. Some of the mentions try to distinguish it by noting the length of the clapping, like "seven minutes long" or "fifteen minutes long" but we have to remember that it's just clapping which everyone follows along with. Lastly, in many of these cases it isn't actually the film itself receiving the clapping, but the appearance of the director or the cast. Opencooper ( talk) 21:49, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
Please see this. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 07:22, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
...which may be of interest to the members of this group can be found at Talk:Stark Mad#Unsourced material. BMK ( talk) 19:54, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
This editor is going about changing a lot of categories, removing the general year ones in favour of by genre and year. Annie Hall the recent change, removing Category:1977 films. I think he needs to be stopped, can you look into it?♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:23, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
People on wikipedia have the tendency to overcategorize which at times is irritating when browsing. I want to see an A-Z of every film from 1977, not have to sift through 10 categories to find a few entries! If people want a list of thriller films from 1975 or whatever then we have lists of films by genre for that.♦ Dr. Blofeld 07:15, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
In addition to horror films being categorised by year, there had already been a few years of drama films by year, so I'm merely extending that in other genres. Why would it be useful for one or two genres, but not for others? Jim Michael ( talk) 09:14, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
I think this is relevant to this discussion. J 1982 has just expanded a lot of the [Decade] science fiction films cats to yearly ones. See their contributions, here. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 17:56, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
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All categories are now listed at CfD here. Please can people comment there? I'll notify people who've been involved in this discussion too, so they don't miss it. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 08:57, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
Since this CfD outcome is relevant to the project, please see my close here. ~ Rob Talk 22:49, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
I have nominated Fritz the Cat (film) for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Laser brain (talk) 16:48, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
Please see the discussion here. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 12:08, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
Two pages exist for the same film. Both of them need to be merged into one.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Babji2000 ( talk • contribs) 15:02, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
Hi all, what would you do in this situation? Manmarziyan (2016 film) is an Indian film that began principal photography, but (according to content found at Vicky Kaushal) there was a creative shakeup and the director was replaced. Principal photography is now allegedly slated for August 2016 (according to the unsourced sentence in the Vicky Kaushal article). Do we keep the article up, or redirect it? We've satisfied WP:NFF's requirement that principal photography must have begun, but now we're in limbo. Thoughts? Thanks, Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 23:11, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
This is just a notice that members of the Television project are considering overhauling and rewriting our MOS, headed up by myself. As the film project and their MOS is closely related to the TV counterpart, I wanted to leave this here in case anyone is interested in participating. Nothing is happening until August 2016, but there is a discussion regarding interest in the endeavor which you can find here, and add your signature if you would like to be a part of the effort. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 01:16, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
An IP who appears to be from Alberta, Canada has been causing disruption by repeatedly adding POVish material to the critical reception sections of Gravity and the Star Wars prequel trilogies. This is a clear violation of WP:NPOV and WP:SYN. I removed them, but was repeatedly reverted and I want to bring this up here in order to avoid a potential violation of WP:3RR and blocking. What should be done in this case? Lord Sjones23 ( talk - contributions) 23:05, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
Hey guys, a couple of weeks ago I opened a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Film to propose a minor tweak to the film lead guidance, specifically to address how languages might be treated in the lead. This may not be a daily issue for those of us who speak English and work in English-language film articles, but it has relevance internationally and for coverage of non-English films. Please take a look at the discussion if you can spare a few minutes. Thanks. Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 04:19, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
In the article La Dame aux Camélias, there's a list of movie adaptations based on the novel and a bunch of these were silent films described as "an English language silent film" or "French language silent film", etc., but if they were silent, was it really in a language? Wouldn't the words have been in the language of whatever country was showing it? Or does that wording sound right? I've been overthinking it, so now I'm suffering from semantic satiation and need someone else to snap me out of it. :) Also the article needs a lot of copyediting that doesn't require being familiar with the story, and I could use some help if anyone has time. Thanks! —PermStrump (talk) 21:43, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
The following wiki page combines two different movies.
The page contains 2 infoboxes and is very confusing. Can they be separated out? Babji2000 ( talk) 01:09, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
Please see this discussion. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 18:45, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
Currently there is a pole to add Ben-Hur and Titanic to the list of 10,000 vital articles on Wikipedia. The poll is here: /info/en/?search=Wikipedia_talk:Vital_articles/Expanded#Modern_visual_arts The list already includes 30+ films. Arman ( Talk) 01:51, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
Please see this discussion. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 06:47, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
Hi all. I've opened a discussion on the above at the following talkpage. Talk:List of accolades received by Mad Max: Fury Road. I welcome any comments on it. Cowlibob ( talk) 10:11, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
Please see this discussion. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 18:32, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
Regarding White savior narrative in film, there has been a discussion this past week about including The Matrix on it and cross-linking both articles. The discussion can be found here. Editors are welcome to review the discussion and endorse what should be included or excluded in the article. Erik ( talk | contrib) ( ping me) 12:42, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
Many participants here create a lot of content, have to evaluate whether or not a subject is notable, decide if content complies with BLP policy, and much more. Well, these are just some of the considerations at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship.
So, please consider taking a look at and watchlisting this page:
You could be very helpful in evaluating potential candidates, and maybe even finding out if you would be a suitable RfA candidate.
Many thanks and best wishes,
Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 00:04, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
This issue has been the subject of a slow-burn edit war for years. I think it would benefit from a discussion and a decisive consensus so I have started a survey at Talk:Jaws_(film)#What_genre_should_go_in_the_lead.3F. I haven't formalized it as an RFC because I don't want to waste the formal RFC procedure on a genre war, but if enough film editors add their preference then hopefully we can get a decisive outcome. Betty Logan ( talk) 17:12, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
I recently created an article for CHIEF ZABU /info/en/?search=Chief_Zabu. Shortly thereafter it was reviewed and I received this notice: "(This article or section may have been copied and pasted from http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094859/ (DupDet · CopyVios), possibly in violation of Wikipedia's copyright policy. Please remedy this by editing this article to remove any non-free copyrighted content and attributing free content correctly, or flagging the content for deletion. Please be sure that the supposed source of the copyright violation is not itself a Wikipedia mirror. (June 2016)" However, I myself wrote both the IMDb blurb as well as the Wikipedia article, so there is therefore no copyright infringement, as I am the owner of both. How can I get the notice taken off the Chief Zabu article page? Thank you! Matzohboy (talk) 23:55, 7 June 2016 (UTC) Matzohboy ( talk) 23:17, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
Category:Films shot at Pinewood Atlanta Studios has been created, and I am not sure if this will be seen as a reasonable new sub-branch of films by shooting location, or possibly overcategorization. Please comment at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2016_July_5#Category:Films_shot_at_Pinewood_Atlanta_Studios if you like. thanks, Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 18:30, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
Hey all, a couple of weeks ago I opened a discussion at MOS:FILM to propose a change to WP:FILMLEAD. The guideline doesn't presently offer any advice on how to deliver info about a film's language in the lead, so I wrote something up and Betty and NinjaRobotPirate refined it. If any of you have any thoughts, your comments would be appreciated, otherwise, I'll just boldly make the change in about a week. Thanks, Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 15:51, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
An editor is repeatedly changing the genre to "romantic sports drama film". I have started a discussion at Talk:Rocky#Genre. Betty Logan ( talk) 19:04, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
A discussion concerning the proposed renaming of Il coltello di ghiaccio → Knife of Ice is taking place at Talk:Il coltello di ghiaccio#Requested move 8 July 2016 —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 16:06, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
This article was recently split into Marianne (1929 silent film) and Marianne (1929 musical film), though the two are clearly related and neither has any substantial content. Is it wise to have two separate articles, or would they be better re-merged? PC78 ( talk) 19:01, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
Please see: Talk:Indo-Bangladesh joint production#The state of this article in July 2016
Thank you, all.
Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 09:22, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
Please see this and this. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 08:57, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
Requested move busters. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 17:55, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
I would expect to find articles about the score of the film in the sub-categories under Category:Film scores by composer, not the articles about the films themselves (for example, the article for the film Chariots of Fire contains the category Category:Film scores by Vangelis). Wouldn't a better naming convention be "Category:Films scored by Foo"? If there's some agreement here, I'd be happy to lead the renaming process through WP:CFD. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars Talk to me 17:22, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
I have some concerns about the coverage of the reception at The Dark Knight Rises. Discussion at Talk:The_Dark_Knight_Rises#Reception_needs_to_be_changed._Source_not_good_enough. Bottom line I think we need to add more neutral commentary to the reception section (i.e. sources that do not describe the reception as "overwhelmingly positive") to balance it out a bit or the non-neutral stuff needs to come out. I don't mind either solution, but it would be great if we could get some comments/suggestions about how to resolve the issue. Betty Logan ( talk) 00:56, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
For anyone interested comments would be appreciated for this move request from High-dynamic-range imaging to High dynamic range. -- GrandDrake ( talk) 23:23, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
There is a request for comment underway regarding whether or not to include The Matrix in the list of films at white savior narrative in film. The RfC can be seen here: Talk:White savior narrative in film#Inclusion of The Matrix. Editors are invited to comment. Erik ( talk | contrib) ( ping me) 18:08, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
There is an ongoing discussion over on the talk page for the article List of giant-monster films. We are debating the criteria that should be enforced when including films on the list, and we need more opinions. A major topic involved is whether a monster's size, in relation to humans and/or natural animals, would dictate its inclusion. Please join in if you can! -- Matthew - ( talk · userpage · contributions) 21:13, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
Lately, I've noticed an increasing trend to use Metacritic to state authoritatively – without in-text attribution – what a film's reception was, especially in the lead ( example). Given that Metacritic only requires four reviews for a consensus, I'm not sure I like this. The other problem, when Metacritic indexes many reviews, is that it doesn't index all reviews. It collects many of the mainstream sites that we use – Variety, The New York Times, the Los Angeles Times, Entertainment Weekly, Total Film, The Guardian – but it's quite limited in some respects. It doesn't index any horror websites, such as Fangoria, Bloody Disgusting, Dread Central, and Shock Till You Drop; prominent British genre magazines, such as Starburst and SFX; non-English-language newspapers; or some smaller websites that we (or, at least, I) often source, such as Ain't It Cool News, Twitch Film, and CraveOnline. If you want to know what Manohla Dargis, Kim Newman, or Richard Roeper thought about a film, Metacritic is great. But what about the other critics? What about the French-language newspapers in Montreal, such as La Presse, whose voice is not heard on Canadian films? Note that their roundup for Shaun of the Dead features only US reviews. Though the roundup for Mad Max: Fury Road does include several non-US reviews, there isn't a single one from Australia. NinjaRobotPirate ( talk) 05:46, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
In view of the inconsistency in regards to how the transgender Wachowskis are credited in film articles I have started a discussion at Talk:The Matrix Reloaded#The Wachowski credit in the lead in attempt to address the problem. Your project has a stated interest in at least one of the articles so please feel free to join the discussion if you would like to have your say or if you can offer a constructive solution to the issue. Betty Logan ( talk) 02:37, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
Three Leslie Nielsen films A Choice of Two, Foxfire Light and Murder Among Friends.♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:16, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
Please see this CfD. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 19:50, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
A requested move discussion at Talk:Money Talks (disambiguation) involving several film pages is underway. Discussion and opinions are invited. — AjaxSmack 01:56, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
After a bit of move warring at Comedy horror, there were several CfDs for horror comedy/comedy horror film categories. The most recent two closed with no consensus and a suggestion that an RM be held at the main article's talk page. The RM did not officially happen, but there's a discussion at Talk:Comedy horror#"Comedy horror" or "horror comedy"?!. The result of this discussion will probably decide whether the categories under Category:Horror comedy films should be renamed. NinjaRobotPirate ( talk) 05:12, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
I was reading the article about the Wilhelm scream and reminded me of a question that is keeping me busy for some years. There is a sound wich I first heard in the final level of the video game DooM. In this level you're in a large (square) room and from the opposite wall rockets shoot towards you accompanied by some kind of schwoop sound. Later this sound returned in many, MANY movies. Every time something explodes and something comes flying across the screen, or when (for example) an RPG is fired this sound can be heard. My question is; did the creators of DooM make this sound especially for the game and did the film industry "borrow" it, or did the game makers take it from some library themselves? OXYGENE 7-13 (TALKPAGE) 13:59, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
@ Erik: I'm restricted by a whitelist so I'm unable to click on the link offered, but from the provided information I can make up that this is the one. Still the question remains... Did they create this sound themselves? OXYGENE 7-13 (TALKPAGE) 14:43, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
@ Erik: Thanks a lot! I really appreciate the fact that you were willing to do what you did. I mean, it's not your problem that I'm restricted so once again, thanks! Finally after so many years (20 at least...) I know now that this sound already excisted. In the Dutch Wilhelm scream article you can read that after you've noticed this effect, it stands out like a sore thumb in every movie who has included it. That's the "problem" I've got with this sound. Problem solved. OXYGENE 7-13 (TALKPAGE) 15:16, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
Hi, I've opened a discussion at Talk:List of highest-grossing films in Malaysia. The article could use some community guidance for scope. Currently it appears to be a giant list of American, Indian, Chinese and other nation's films, rather than on Malaysia's films. Thanks. Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 16:22, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
It appears there is a newly registered genre warrior ( Hotndead ( talk · contribs)) in our midst. I see Lugnuts has already had the pleasure of making his acquaintance. Anyway, I don't think Hotndead is in any danger of becoming an asset to the Film project so I would appreciate it if other editors periodically check his contributions over the next few days. If the activity is ongoing we may have to get him canned. Betty Logan ( talk) 18:11, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
Remove this. I find it insulting and innapropriate. hotndead ( talk) 22:45, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
Dear film experts: This article: The Weinstein Company describes the company as "one of the largest mini-major film studios in North America". Is "mini-major" some kind of specialized studio-related jargon? If so, what does it mean, exactly? I'm tempted to change it to "mid-sized" or just leave out the descriptor altogether, but since I am not knowledgeable about the film industry I thought I'd ask first.— Anne Delong ( talk) 12:46, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
Is this film notable? My google search didn't turn up much in reliable sources or show that the film won any major awards. Many of the hits were about an animated version or the previous films in the sequence. Mdtemp ( talk) 16:46, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
186.85.89.130 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is making a lot of questionable edits to various film related pages. Could someone from this project please review them for accuracy? Feinoha Talk 01:00, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
I'm not really looking to stir up a hornet's nest here, but I'm a little concerned that with several film-related list articles, the word "featuring" is being used in an ambiguous manner. For instance, List of films featuring dinosaurs. It appears to me that "featuring" may be being used as a synonym for "including".
The best analog I have, off the top of my head, is that I imagine that if we were to say that a film "features" certain actors, we would be talking about the actors who were top-billed, or close to it, not merely every actor who appears in the film. King Kong features a giant ape, but does it "feature" the various other creatures that appear in the film?
Any thoughts folks might have would be appreciated. I freely admit I may be being overly-pedantic on this. DonIago ( talk) 20:51, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
Greetings, all. I was just wondering whether there is a pre-existing consensus with respect to whether http://www.filmaffinity.com/ is considered a reliable source or not. As I understand it it has both self-generated and user generated content, so it is a bit of a grey area. Regards, Vanamonde ( talk) 06:58, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
Very funny actor, last seen in "Keanu". Could somebody please create an article Jamar Malachi Neighbors — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:810D:9CC0:25AC:601C:DFDF:F0DB:E25 ( talk) 10:07, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
Please see the discussion here. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 07:16, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
Opinions are needed on the following matter: Talk:Angelina Jolie#The lead -- attractiveness as part of notability. A WP:Permalink for it is here. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 01:50, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
There's a collaborations section on James Gunn that has become unwieldly and is stretching the page considerably. Should it be removed or is there some other protocol to deal with this? Nohomersryan ( talk) 18:07, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
Please see the discussion at WT:Review aggregators#Phrasing in examples regarding the standardization of film aggregator summary statements. -- GoneIn60 ( talk) 02:25, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of maritime science fiction media. This also involves the newly created Category:Maritime science fiction films, which was used to justify changing the genre in the lead of at least three articles. - Gothicfilm ( talk) 04:13, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
We now have Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 August 1#Category:Maritime_science_fiction. Note that this category was used to justify repeated edit warring in the lead of several articles. - Gothicfilm ( talk) 04:00, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
And there is a third one: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Maritime science fiction. - Gothicfilm ( talk) 04:42, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
I've started a discussion on the inclusion of cast/crew names on TV/film navboxes here at WT:Navigation Templates. -- MASEM ( t) 15:35, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
Hi all, should it be of interest, there are two discussions about whether or not to merge Tollywood Highest grossing movies and List of highest-grossing Tamil movies into List of highest-grossing Indian films.
The discussions can be found at:
Thanks. Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 20:37, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
Can anyone tell if this 3 minute short has any notability independent of the recent feature film, or can it be merged to Lights Out (2016 film)?
I've already redirected Lights Out 2 per WP:NFF. PC78 ( talk) 20:41, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
Could somebody clean up and expand Auteur theory so that it's a little more comprehensive? I'd do it myself but my knowledge of cinema is lacking. I've tried my best to address issues relating to POV and RS. This is how the article looked before I had to remove every unsourced statement. -- Ilovetopaint ( talk) 06:20, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
On the article for Sasuage Party, I've changed the starring listing on the infobox based upon the bottom poster billing block, but I keep getting reverted, with the top poster block being used instead. Which one is used for feature reference?
If you do a Google search of " Scouts Guide to the Zombie Apocalypse budget" every link that shows up says the budget was $15 million. Talking about dozens of links including Forbes, IMDB and Box Office Mojo. None say $24 million except this document an editor found - https://indd.adobe.com/view/87976431-f650-4be0-a9c3-392d676b5514 Which is correct? 2.102.187.157 ( talk) 22:33, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
"Per the infobox rules, BOM is not generally RS since it does not give a source."I don't know this to be true. Might I please trouble you to clarify that with the infobox instructions you mean? I see
"Budget figures can be found at Box Office Mojo and The Numbers, with the latter usually listing a mainstream website as the main source of the budget, such as the Los Angeles Times, Variety, etc."but I don't interpret that to mean that BOM is not RS unless it provides a source. If that's the intention of that phrasing, it's not clear and should be changed. Regards, Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 00:06, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
This started as a discussion on Talk:Selma_(film). The film is described as 'British-American', evidently because one of the many production companies is based in the UK. That seems to me to be an extremely weak standard for calling a film from another country. When I look movies up on Wikipedia and see 'British-American film' I presume it's set in Britain, has British actors etc. This movie made me do a hard double take as it's so clearly American.
If there is agreement, I would propose setting some standard for what constitutes an American film (or a film from any country) and what it takes to add additional countries to that description, particularly in the lede. Perhaps a reliable source has already laid out criteria we could use. Then I would propose articles be updated to reflect this standard. 2602:30A:C06E:EDC0:6DB5:E9A2:B4E8:F1D0 ( talk) 21:47, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
A genre warrior has been repeatedly changing the lead at Lost in Space for the last month. More comments would be useful at Talk:Lost in Space#Space Western/Science Fiction. - Gothicfilm ( talk) 05:25, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
Genres properly belong in an encyclopedia. It is subgenres that are causing the problem. I would support making it clear at WP:FILMLEAD that the primary genre should be the default. Allow a second genre or subgenre only when needed. Most of the problems come from genre warriors trying to put in their preferred subgenres, and it gets down into ridiculous dividing games. When disputes arise, we should be able to point out that the primary genre is favored. - Gothicfilm ( talk) 05:49, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
Despite being repeatedly warned Taeyebar used the newly created Category:Maritime science fiction films to return and change the lead again at Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea and The Abyss. He ignores WP:BRD and even reported me at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:Gothicfilm reported by User:Taeyebar. Others may want to comment there. - Gothicfilm ( talk) 00:06, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
The Evita award list is newly created and nominated for Featured list status. Please feel free to comment. — IB [ Poke ] 12:19, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
Hey All We have a new bot that detects potential copyright concerns. You can sort them by WikiProject. Here is the link to the list for WP Film. Of course follow up requires some common sense as it could be the source copying from us. Ping me if you are interested in more details. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 20:54, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
Members of this Wikiproject may wish to post their input here Talk:Dr. Strangelove#Misc improvements. MarnetteD| Talk 22:04, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
Do any of you think Finding Dory is a spin-off? I really think so on account that the film centers on Dory who was originally a supporting character in Finding Nemo. 173.55.97.103 ( talk) 22:07, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
I've set up a page for Wikipedia:WikiProject Film/Golden Hollywood Contest. The idea would be quality improvement on our core articles for this period, improving actors, directors, films and related content and expansion work on stubs/undeveloped content which should be much better by now. The system would be partly based on the successful Awaken the Dragon and current West Country Challenge contests, with points and prizes allocated to certain tasks. If you think you might be interested in participating in the contest or editathon, or at least support the idea add your name to the Interested section at the bottom and we'll see how it progresses. I think it's time an annual contest was held for WP:Film. Potentially the film project could be running a few each year targetting different areas, one could be on French/Italian neo-Realist cinema etc. I wouldn't have the time to run them all but potentially I could help set things up and attract people to help run them. The Wales and West Country contests so far have seen 1400 article improvements, I think the same mechanism could be applied to film and potentially we see more participants and contests improved. The thinking would be a daily prize for most work, like a DVD, or book, something related to film.♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:19, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
A lot of people must be on holiday. I had thought a lot of people would jump at the chance to run this sort of thing for WP:Film! Does nobody here support running a drive to improve the core articles at least, even if you might not edit?♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:13, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
This topic again! An attempt to codify the consensus of not including cast and crew in navboxes, and not having filmographies in navboxes is at WT:CLT#Proposal for WP:PERFNAV (or similar). -- Rob Sinden ( talk) 15:03, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
Hi all, can anyone please take a look at Abhishek Pictures and see whether it might meet general standards for a film distribution company? I know that WP:NCORP would be the right notability criteria, I guess I'm more interested in whether or not the film community would expect the list of distributed films to be appropriate for inclusion. It looks like fluff to me (and unsourced fluff at that). For some background, there is a person/people involved at this article who may only be here for promotional purposes. ClayFace32 was indeffed as a sock of Barney83Stinson. KittenLynch popped up 2 days after I blocked Barney. Even if I were to indef KittenLynch on duck behavior, that would still leave an article behind, either to develop if you guys thought it worthwhile, or to redirect or AfD if either of those were warranted. Thoughts appreciated. Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 18:51, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
Permalink to the version of the article with the distribution list. Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 19:46, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
I am looking for someone who can archive the sources for the Steve Jobs article in order to comply with the GA recommendation. Rusted AutoParts 20:46, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
Above category is up for discussion here. Additional opinions are welcome. DonIago ( talk) 13:25, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
Similarly, another new category created by the same user can be discussed here. Input welcome. - Gothicfilm ( talk) 01:38, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
Gladiator (2000 film), an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. BlueMoonset ( talk) 01:02, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
I was just reading the April and the Extraordinary World article and see that only the French voice actors are listed. I was going to add the voice actors' names for the English version, but I am not sure whether that is standard and if so how to list them. The French language is clearly the original language, but the release in English is probably more significant for readers of the English Wikipedia, since they will likely only ever hear the English voiced version. 99.192.90.233 ( talk) 11:53, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
On this article the full list of 100 (well, 102) films is reproduced. Does this fail WP:TOP100? And come to think of it, does the article meet any notabilty levels? It's been mentioned in various news sources, but as far as I can tell, they all just repeat the fact that the BBC created this list, rather than showing any long-lasting notability. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 12:21, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
Hi. I am here mainly because of large absences AFI's recognitions in film sites though it is missing in neglecting or in famous films. Because it is just good for my opinion and film fans will welcome it. I know you tried to educate me about my edits and I somehow did not listen because I am new here. But I am starting to handle this huge system and I need your advise in my next editing. In the Manual of Style for film articles in Accolades section states that you can mix prose and bullets. I am trying to do it in this way and I hope you will welcome it as my first steps. Yesterday, it has taken me about four hours to remake. I have three reasons why. First, it is more comfortable for me because they are so many backlogs for doing it in prose. Second, it is more panoramic because you can find every AFI recognition already in "Contents" and click straight in this section. And third, almost every AFI recognition which was already done (not by me) was in the points way and it seems you do not worry because it is still there (I can show you hundreds of examples). Plus, I have already recieved a few thankful notices for my editing and I have also added three articles about films which they were not here before because of it. Please, I have spend lots of hours to prepare this system for my editing. Allow me to do it in this way and I promise I don't disappoint you. Dr.saze ( talk) 10:23, 07 August 2016 (UTC)
Drsaze if I see you make any more personal attacks on other editors (contrary to WP:NPA) or threats (as you did on my talk page), I will file yet another report on your behaviour at ANI. – SchroCat ( talk) 15:06, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
Hi. I have some good idea for all of you. will not add nor AFI nominations neither wins further here and I will also delete every single edit concerning AFI information. Instead, I will make a huge list of films prized by the American Film Institute on PDF format and offer you to include it on main AFI's lists articles as a reference to all the AFI accolades but ranked according to the films. It will be more comfortable and compliant for all of us. I think it is a good splution when I am not allow to edit AFI nominations. And I want to supply that offer of my favours is still valid. - Dr.saze ( talk) 11:07, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
Special:Contributions/Cryptozoologist3
Special:Contributions/Drunkenpeter99 — from about January 21, 2011 to August 20, 2011
Special:Contributions/Skywalker80100 — from about September 12, 2011 to June 30, 2012
Special:Contributions/StewieBaby05 — from about October 20, 2012 to June 6, 2015
(According to User:StewieBaby05, the last 3 are the same person.) Davemck ( talk) 22:33, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
I've noticed something strange with Category:English-language films: When I use the category page to try to find films that begin with a letter, it directs me to a list of films that begin with a different letter entirely. Just recently, for example, I clicked on "P" in the "Contents" banner at the top of the page, only to be directed to a list of films starting with "E". Do project members have any idea what is causing this? FreeKnowledgeCreator ( talk) 22:50, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
I can't remember if there has ever been a discussion about items like this before. As I stated in my edit summary these "As of DATE actors x, y and z are the only surviving cast members" mentions are WP:INDISCRIMINATE info and they require WP:OR to keep up to date. It is just a random fact that has nothing to do with the making of the film nor does it have anything to do with the film itself. Now this is just one editors opinion and if there is a WP:CONSENSUS to include them then so be it. I did think it was time to make a decision one way or the other. Thanks ahead of time for any and all input. MarnetteD| Talk 21:53, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
A number of users have set up a task force for Pakistani cinema and have requested that it be added to the project banner. I know the creation of a new task force should probably have been discussed here first, but what's done is done and they already have five interested users (that's more than some of the existing task forces), so personally I think we should accept this request and let them get on with things. Just wanted to post here and give others an opportunity to comment before taking this any further. PC78 ( talk) 16:25, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
Hey there, I don't see anything at WP:FILMYEAR that addresses inclusion criteria. An issue came up at Talk:List of Malayalam films of 2016. If a film has been announced and can be sourced as being planned, should it be added to the various list articles, or does it need to have started principal photography to be included? Seems like on the one hand you run the risk of adding a lot of soon-to-go-nowhere films to the list, on the other hand, 2020 in film wouldn't exist without planned-but-maybe-not-yet-in-principal-photography films. Thaaaaaaanks. Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 04:11, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
I notice that Fep1970 is going around adding these to articles. See Honor Blackman and Roger Moore. I regard them as completely arbitrary, WP:SYNTHESIS and non-defining. Who really cares who the oldest actress is to play a Bond girl? James Bond is hardly in the "grab a gran" business is he? The record is confusing too: while Honor Blackman may well be the oldest living Bond girl Monica Bellucci was the oldest at the time she played a Bond girl. IMO these boxes are on a par with template spam and I'm all for purging them. How do other editors feel about them? Betty Logan ( talk) 19:18, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
Two questions:
Answers on a postcard! Betty Logan ( talk) 19:48, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
Please see the discussion here. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 07:15, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
This involves using the original Ghostbusters (2016 film) or Ghostbusters: Answer the Call, a DVD title. Please see the discussion here. Thanks. - Gothicfilm ( talk) 04:54, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
Although this page move is about the novel, it may interest some people here. If you've not got a pain in your Gulliver, you might want to contribute. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 06:59, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
Bit disappointed that some of the WP:film veterans like Erik, Lugnuts, Shawn in Montreal, Bede, Andrez and some of the others haven't supported the idea of this at least. We could really bring about some major improvements, and then you could run one targetting different areas of film. I've postponed it until there is more support.♦ Dr. Blofeld 08:58, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
An IP editor keeps splitting the 1966 Art Direction oscar (which also covered set decoration) into two separate categories and stating the film won six oscars rather than five. This clearly contradicts the Academy's own site as I point out at the talk page. Can I get a couple of third party comments at Talk:Doctor_Zhivago_(film)#Art_Direction.2FSet_Decoration plz as I am going to apply for page protection if the IP attempts to change the information again. Betty Logan ( talk) 16:00, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
There are currently at least three reliable sources that say the film Toni Erdmann is German-Austrain:
Vmars22 insists that the film is also coproduced by Switzerland and Romania and these countries should be mentioned in the infobox and categories, but has failed to provide any reliable source that backs such a claim. The user thinks that a Hollywood Reporter article supports this claim, but it clearly isn't the case. I don't want this to escalate into an edit war. Can anyone here help to solve this case? Raamin ( talk) 15:15, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
I was wondering if the term meant a love story with a period setting. Does it mean that, or something else? The category Category:Historical romance films may also be reworked based on useful comments. Kailash29792 ( talk) 02:52, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
Two issues have come up at Talk:List of films based on Marvel Comics that need discussion.
An editor has added Category:Epic films based on actual events to both Gone with the Wind (film) and Doctor Zhivago (film). They apply to some extent because the films are set during significant historical periods (i.e. the American Civil War and the Russian revolution) but the characters in both are fictional. They are not like Titanic when some of the key supporting cast have real-life counterparts. Using this rationale you could claim that every WW2 film is "based on real-life events" even if it has fictional characters undertaking a fictional mission/battle. So how should this category be interpreted? Do the "actual events" relate just to a setting, or should we interpret the events as being central to the plot with real-life character counterparts? Betty Logan ( talk) 14:06, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
I invite all active members on the WikiProject Film to participate on the discussion at Talk:Fifty Shades Darker (film)#Focus Features. Callmemirela 🍁 {Talk} ♑ 10:39, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
Trying to keep a couple of facts, supported by reliable sources in the production section. For some reason, another editor is saying they violate NPOV. The facts are these: 1. 90% of the film shot in New York; 2. Only $6 million of the film's budget was spent in Massachusetts. That's it. And these facts keep getting removed in borderline edit war. Any input would be appreciated. Depauldem ( talk) 17:00, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
All, there has already been discussion on the talk page: Talk:The Departed/Archive 3#Filming location and budget. Erik ( talk | contrib) ( ping me) 17:20, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
I see 37 articles in the Category:Fan films based on Star Wars, but there are many more. Not all of them are notable enough to have their own article, perhaps even most of them. I would even say that of the 37 existing articles, probably half of them don't pass our notability criteria. However that may be, perhaps it is a good idea to make a List of Star Wars fan films? Debresser ( talk) 00:04, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
At white savior narrative in film, there is an ongoing issue about where to locate detailed trope-related coverage about individual films: in their respective entries, in more general sections, or both.. Additional input is welcome. See the discussion here: Talk:White savior narrative in film#Merging "Classifications". Erik ( talk | contrib) ( ping me) 14:59, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
I was about to tag Category:Films set in New York (state) for speedy deletion, but I guess this seems like a good time to discuss the matter of what to do with the New York categories instead. In short, we've got too many of them. If you look at Category:Films set in New York (note the lack of disambiguation), there are subcategories for about a dozen small NY counties. Each of those subcategories ultimately has between one and five films in it. I say "ultimately" because they're often subdivided into incredibly specific sub-sub-categories, such as Category:Films set in Hyde Park Town, Dutchess County, New York. I noticed this a while ago, but I didn't want to deal with it. Maybe we should bring all these tiny, ultra-specific categories to CfD. Any other ideas? Also, which should we use: NY or NY (state)? NinjaRobotPirate ( talk) 20:27, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
OK, all the small categories have been nominated for merging. See Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 September 23#Category:Films set in Albany County, New York. NinjaRobotPirate ( talk) 00:46, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
Feel free to pick the bones out of this one, here. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 18:14, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
Please see this page move discussion. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 06:52, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
Hi all, your comments are requested at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film/Indian cinema task force#Need thoughts about how to communicate Kabali gross. Familiarity with Indian films is not a prerequisite. (I don't watch Indian films, I just help maintain the articles.)
The issue in a nutshell: The gross estimates for a Tamil-language film, Kabali, seem to be all over the map. Some estimates would make the movie the #2 highest-grossing Indian film (no small achievement considering Tamil is spoken by 60 million people, whereas Hindi is spoken by 422 million) whereas other estimates would put it around the #12 spot. There is also a strange lack of attention to this film by the various respected Indian newspapers. Anyhow, the issue is how to communicate the information effectively across the project, like at List of highest-grossing Indian films, which presents such data in tabular format.
If you are so inclined, please contribute your thoughts at at the Indian cinema task force. Thanks! Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 18:18, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
Mariacer Cervantes has added row-spanning to this family of articles. If you compare the top table at List of 1993 box office number-one films in the United States for example, this is how it did look and this is how it looks now. I know some editors are fond of row-spanning, but in this case I consider it detrimental to to the article because it makes it more difficult to see which box office gross relates to which week. I propose reverting them back to the original format but I would like to know what the general sentiment is first. Betty Logan ( talk) 17:07, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
Over the last day an anonymous editor has been initiating changes to the color scheme at articles such as Motion picture rating system, Video game rating system and Television content rating systems. They all deploy a long-standing consistent color scheme and IMO the changes are not an improvment and have some WP:ACCESSIBILITY implications. I have highlighted my concerns at Talk:Motion_picture_rating_system#Table_changes. I am not particularly precious about the color scheme, but it should be intuitive and contrasting. The biggest problem for me is the lack of contrast between red and brown, but if there are an editors who are color blind or have eyesight problems their input would be much appreciated. Betty Logan ( talk) 22:58, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
The category Fantasy horror films is up for deletion. You can voice your opinion on this at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 September 28. Andrzejbanas ( talk) 15:10, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
Hi there! Does anyone know the WP where it states (or if it states) that only the distributors, release dates of that country are included in the infobox? Vmars22 ( talk) 12:52, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
Is there a policy on this? Should film articles have a link to a Youtube trailer in the ex. links? I know this topic has come up in the past on here, but the discussions are years old and didn't really go anywhere! Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 13:12, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
99% of the time that film company also made a website for the film, which will be an EL in the first place, and will likely contain links to trailers too.- Favre1fan93 ( talk) 17:16, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
Hi. I do not expect lots of support here but I would be very pleased if anyone will appreciate my AFI's lists... scheme and help me to publish it wherever (not specificially on Wikipedia). So if somebody really would do not be shy to write on my talk page or here and I will send you that documentary by mail. Thanks. - Dr.saze ( talk) 16:43, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
Hi! I was curious to know, where would I go to file for protection on the Annapurna Pictures article? It keeps getting vandalized. Vmars22 ( talk) 20:45, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
Could people please take a look at the article Roadshow theatrical release ?
It gives the impression of being the personal thoughts of one or more editors ( WP:NOTESSAY );
it doesn't have cites for many of the claims made. ( WP:WHYCITE )
Thanks.
-- 179.210.192.170 ( talk) 03:13, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
Opinions are needed on the following matter: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 September 30#Category:Films about hebephilia. This is the second time this is being discussed. Please weigh in. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 17:52, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
Is at AfD. Please see the discussion. Thanks. Lugnuts Precious bodily fluids 06:58, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
Just a heads up that an IP editor has been removing notes from cast/personnel lists that the person was uncredited, as well as overlinking names in articles on Alfred Hitchcock films. They were at 107.77.209.33 ( talk · contribs · WHOIS) yesterday and I left them a message, but they're at it again today at 107.77.206.47 ( talk · contribs · WHOIS). Opencooper ( talk) 23:23, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
Before things get out of hand, I want to solicit some opinions here about Gangs of New York. Earlier today, I removed the word "fictional" from the lede, with the edit summary "Removed "fictionalized" from lede; of course it's a work of fiction." Rms125a@hotmail.com restored the word, saying "o some people think it's a full color documentary -- important to point out complete lack of historical verisimilitude," which, to me, is not an encyclopedic argument, as I said when I reverted him. It is not standard practice, in my experience, to point out in a lede that a film is "fiction," as this is assumed. So, before this turns into an edit war, I would like some other editors to weigh in. Thanks. --- The Old Jacobite The '45 20:19, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
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help page).I just looked up Scum on my mobile and you don't see the categories after Cast on the mobile version of the article, I had a look to fix it but couldn't see where the problem is or why. Maybe someone else can have a look cheers. Govvy ( talk) 20:14, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
I do not understand the phrase "Parker is a no-bull charmer" in this review by Peter Travers.-- TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:41, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
A discussion about whether the famous match-cut in 2001: A Space Odyssey should be specifically mentioned in the plot summary: Talk:2001:_A_Space_Odyssey_(film)#Mentioning_Match_Cut_in_Plot_Section. It's essentially two against two at the moment so I think outside opinion is needed to resolve it since arguments are starting to go in circles. Betty Logan ( talk) 03:15, 8 October 2016 (UTC)