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I'm reverting changes made a couple months ago by (possible sockpuppet) EAldroyd. The broad consensus of sources indicates this film is an American production (see American Film Institute, LUMIERE database, Swedish Film Database, Danish Film Institute, Allmovie, Turner Classic Movies Database, etc.). It's also described as an American film in the Encyclopædia Britannica. Although much of it was filmed at Shepperton Studios, it was financed by American studios, and was noted in the British press at the time as the most expensive American production ever brought over to Britain. [1] After the BAFTA awards ceremony in 2001, it was again cited in the British press as an American picture. The film has not been included in the British Council's British Film Directory, which archives British films extending back to 1998.
There was significant British involvement in making the film that should be highlighted in the body of the article, but the changes made by EAldroyd are misleading and possibly inaccurate. As per the parameters for country information outlined in Template:Infobox film, if there is a conflict of information in various reliable sources, then only the common published nations should be listed, so I'm reverting on that basis. Feuertrinker ( talk) 16:52, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
References
I checked the various sources provided by Feuertrinker, and found that both the Danish Film Institute and the LUMIERE database list the UK as a co-producing country, so the argument that it's only a US production doesn't hold up. Wafflewombat ( talk) 01:48, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
The blue link to lanistae links to a cricket. To link to Roman trainers of gladiators or owners of training schools, a wiktionary article ( https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/lanista#Latin ) that simply defines the term or a link to the Wikipedia article on Gladiators, with nine uses of the word, would serve the article better. Kdammers ( talk) 07:05, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
I marked this topic Resolved because the links in question no longer exist in the article. Wafflewombat ( talk) 03:50, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: consensus not to move the page at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 18:05, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
Gladiator (2000 film) → Gladiator (film) – Currently Gladiator (film) redirects to Gladiator (disambiguation)#Film. The other films listed there, The Gladiator (1938 film), The Gladiators (film), The Gladiator (1986 film), and Gladiator (1992 film), are nowhere as notable or viewed as this one. Pageviews analysis: https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2015-07&end=2019-11&pages=The_Gladiator_(1938_film)%7CThe_Gladiators_(film)%7CThe_Gladiator_(1986_film)%7CGladiator_(1992_film)%7CGladiator_(2000_film) Sharper { talk} 15:32, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
Fictionalization section says "Lucilla was implicated in a plot to assassinate her brother in 182 AD, along with her husband Pompeianus and several others." The next bullet point says "Pompeianus had no part in any of the many plots against Commodus." I can't access the book referenced in the first bullet point to verify, nor the link in the second bullet. Was Pompeianus plotting or not? Fuzchia ( talk) 21:05, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
I removed the "Fictionalization" section because it had no citations. Wafflewombat ( talk) 03:48, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
Hi all, this page is the first hit on search engines for "gladiator". Is it possible to add a disambiguation statement to say, "this article is about the 2000 film, for other uses please see -> disambiguation"? Sebhaque ( talk) 23:43, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
There's a statement which says "Roman field artillery used in open battle was far more compact and transportable than shown by the film", but there's no citation for that. In fact, I would argue that it is wrong, since in the film, they depict ballista, which were indeed quite large, and they also depict Onager's, which I would argue is the "real" anachronism, since they were not mentioned by Roman historians until the 4th century. I think that section should be re-written to reflect this, and change the picture from a Roman scorpion, to an onager. Belregard ( talk) 04:08, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
I have removed the material that lacks citation. In the future, somebody will need to write a new "Historical accuracy" section. Wafflewombat ( talk) 03:45, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
This whole section screams 'original research', not a single citation present and quotes dropped in randomly 51.52.43.171 ( talk) 13:22, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Reviewer: TompaDompa ( talk · contribs) 20:41, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
Gladiator is a 2000 epic– where does the designation as an epic come from? It is unsourced in the WP:LEAD and not mentioned in the body.
It was released by DreamWorks Pictures in North America, and Universal Pictures internationally through United International Pictures.– is this information so crucial as to warrant mentioning in the second sentence of the lead? We have the infobox for information that does not need to be present in prose.
Gladiator grossed over $465.4 million worldwide– not according to the cited source it didn't. The gross is given as $465,380,802.
saving the life of German gladiator Hagen during the fight– "German" seems anachronistic here.
The amoral, power-hungry, psychopathic son of Marcus Aurelius.– "psychopathic" definitely needs to be sourced explicitly.
This was Reed's final film appearance, as he died during filming.– seems rather out of place, as this is not character description but real-world detail.
A patrician and senator opposed to Gracchus.– patrician and senator, not simply patrician senator?
Quintus later redeems himself– that he redeems himself is an opinion.
The only undefeated gladiator in history, he was brought out of retirement by Commodus to kill Maximus.– does the film say that he was the only undefeated one in history?
Gladiator shares several plot points with The Fall of the Roman Empire, which tells the story of Livius, who, like Maximus, is Marcus Aurelius's intended successor.– unsourced.
From there, Richard Harris, Ralf Möller, Oliver Reed, Djimon Hounsou, Derek Jacobi, John Shrapnel, and Tommy Flanagan joined the cast.– unsourced. They're in the film, sure, but this makes a statement about when they joined the cast.
Crowe was reportedly uncomfortable with Reed's excessive drinking.– referring to the drinking as excessive in WP:WikiVoice is extremely dubious.
It achieved the year's highest opening weekend and also earned the third-highest opening weekend for an R-rated film ever, trailing only Air Force One (1997) and Interview with the Vampire (1994).– do sources on Gladiator make this point? Per WP:PROPORTION, articles
should not give undue weight to minor aspects of its subject but should strive to treat each aspect with a weight proportional to its treatment in the body of reliable, published material on the subject. "On the subject" is key.
Gladiator opened to generally positive reviews– this WP:ANALYSIS of the overall critical reception needs to come from a source making that analysis. Citing examples of positive reviews is not sufficient.
Crowe's performance received widespread acclaim.– ditto. This is a very strong statement.
Gladiator was nominated for a total of 104 awards, of which it won sixty.– inconsistent formatting of numbers using words versus figures aside, awards is an area where quantitative descriptions are way less enlightening than qualitative ones.
In 2019, The Guardian ranked Gladiator as the 94th best film of the 21st century.– so what?
On November 22, 2024, a sequel to Gladiator will be released in the United States.– it may be scheduled to be released on that date, but it's way too early to say that it will be considering how common delays are in this field.
GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria
@ Wafflewombat: I'm closing this as unsuccessful. The article needs a lot of additional work before meeting the WP:Good article criteria, and as such was clearly nominated prematurely. The above is a non-exhaustive sample of issues I noted while reading through the article. TompaDompa ( talk) 20:41, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
We failed the GA Review. Below, I copied the reviewer's feedback and added my responses.
Gladiator is a 2000 epic– where does the designation as an epic come from? It is unsourced in the WP:LEAD and not mentioned in the body. Citation still needed; removed word "epic" in the interim
It was released by DreamWorks Pictures in North America, and Universal Pictures internationally through United International Pictures.– is this information so crucial as to warrant mentioning in the second sentence of the lead? We have the infobox for information that does not need to be present in prose. Removed the unnecessary information
Gladiator grossed over $465.4 million worldwide– not according to the cited source it didn't. The gross is given as $465,380,802. The inclusion of the word "over" was an error, and it has been corrected
saving the life of German gladiator Hagen during the fight– "German" seems anachronistic here. Changed to "Germanic"
The amoral, power-hungry, psychopathic son of Marcus Aurelius.– "psychopathic" definitely needs to be sourced explicitly. Removed "psychopathic"
This was Reed's final film appearance, as he died during filming.– seems rather out of place, as this is not character description but real-world detail. Removed it
A patrician and senator opposed to Gracchus.– patrician and senator, not simply patrician senator? Fixed
Quintus later redeems himself– that he redeems himself is an opinion. Fixed
The only undefeated gladiator in history, he was brought out of retirement by Commodus to kill Maximus.– does the film say that he was the only undefeated one in history? Clarification: He is the only undefeated gladiator in Roman history. This is a direct quote from the film
Gladiator shares several plot points with The Fall of the Roman Empire, which tells the story of Livius, who, like Maximus, is Marcus Aurelius's intended successor.– unsourced. Removed unsourced material
From there, Richard Harris, Ralf Möller, Oliver Reed, Djimon Hounsou, Derek Jacobi, John Shrapnel, and Tommy Flanagan joined the cast.– unsourced. They're in the film, sure, but this makes a statement about when they joined the cast. Removed unsourced material
Crowe was reportedly uncomfortable with Reed's excessive drinking.– referring to the drinking as excessive in WP:WikiVoice is extremely dubious. Reed's alcohol use caused a fatal heart attack, as mentioned in the cited source. That qualifies as excessive to me, but if it's still too non-neutral, we can change it. Comments welcome.
It achieved the year's highest opening weekend and also earned the third-highest opening weekend for an R-rated film ever, trailing only Air Force One (1997) and Interview with the Vampire (1994).– do sources on Gladiator make this point? Per WP:PROPORTION, articles
should not give undue weight to minor aspects of its subject but should strive to treat each aspect with a weight proportional to its treatment in the body of reliable, published material on the subject. "On the subject" is key. Material removed.
Gladiator opened to generally positive reviews– this WP:ANALYSIS of the overall critical reception needs to come from a source making that analysis. Citing examples of positive reviews is not sufficient. Fixed.
Crowe's performance received widespread acclaim.– ditto. This is a very strong statement. Fixed.
On November 22, 2024, a sequel to Gladiator will be released in the United States.– it may be scheduled to be released on that date, but it's way too early to say that it will be considering how common delays are in this field. Fixed
Wafflewombat ( talk) 23:00, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
- Does the over-reliance on verbatim quotes in the Production section constitute a violation of a particular guideline?
- You said "quantitative descriptions are way less enlightening than qualitative ones" for the awards section. Is that your opinion, or is it a broad enough attitude/norm on Wikipedia that we definitely need to change it?
- For the line "The Guardian ranked Gladiator as the 94th best film of the 21st century," your response was "so what?" Are you stating your opinion that this information is not important? Seems subjective, and I'm wondering if it would be best practice to change it merely due to your thoughts on it. Can you weigh in?
- Could you clarify why the article failed the criteria for "clear, concise" prose and spelling/grammar?
- Which parts were original research, and which parts went into unnecessary detail? It failed both those areas.
- You said, "The article is currently being actively, and rather heavily, edited. It's not an WP:Edit war, but it's a bit of a stretch to call it stable right now." I spent a few weeks editing this page, and once I felt like I had done all I could do, I submitted it for GA review. Should I have waited a certain amount of time between finishing my major edits and submitting?
An article should not give undue weight to minor aspects of its subject but should strive to treat each aspect with a weight proportional to its treatment in the body of reliable, published material on the subject.It's entirely possible that this is something that should be mentioned, but if so that needs to be demonstrated to be "proportional to its treatment in the body of reliable, published material on the subject", where the subject is Gladiator.
Hello, fellow editors! I've spent the last several weeks working on this page, but I've reached the limit of what I can do. I did a lot of copyediting, removed a lot of uncited material, and added a few new segments. Overall, the page is more readable and fact-based. However, some of the sections need to be filled out more. The lead, Plot, and Cast sections are fine, and the Development section is not bad, but the rest of the sub-headings under Production need more information. The Release section needs more content, especially regarding territories outside North America. The Reception section is okay, but the Sequel portion will need more information as the release of Gladiator 2 draws near. Perhaps the most important thing needed is a new Historical Accuracy section. Gladiator takes many liberties with history, but the section as it existed previously was completely unsourced.
Unfortunately, I don't have the time or energy to do the research needed to create the Historical Accuracy section and fill out the other sections. I'm hoping that someone else will take on this task at some point. It may require consulting book-length sources, as I'm not sure there is much additional information on the Internet that I haven't already put into the article. The Landau book is a good place to start, as it is available for free online (there's a link to it). You may also want to get your hands on the Winkler and Schwartz books. When creating the Historical Accuracy section, you may want to consult Michael Grant's book The Roman Emperors. I suggest you avoid the website ScreenRant when looking for historical information; they have three articles on the film's historical accuracy, but I don't trust them because each of their three articles makes a different claim about the circumstances of Marcus Aurelius's death.
This is a very old version of the Historical Accuracy section (much older than the version I removed), which has a lot of information and a bunch of sources.
If you decide to work on the page and have questions, feel free to ask me. I've read through every web source cited in the article.
Thanks! Wafflewombat ( talk) 11:23, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
Gladiator (2000 film) was one of the Media and drama good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake. | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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I'm reverting changes made a couple months ago by (possible sockpuppet) EAldroyd. The broad consensus of sources indicates this film is an American production (see American Film Institute, LUMIERE database, Swedish Film Database, Danish Film Institute, Allmovie, Turner Classic Movies Database, etc.). It's also described as an American film in the Encyclopædia Britannica. Although much of it was filmed at Shepperton Studios, it was financed by American studios, and was noted in the British press at the time as the most expensive American production ever brought over to Britain. [1] After the BAFTA awards ceremony in 2001, it was again cited in the British press as an American picture. The film has not been included in the British Council's British Film Directory, which archives British films extending back to 1998.
There was significant British involvement in making the film that should be highlighted in the body of the article, but the changes made by EAldroyd are misleading and possibly inaccurate. As per the parameters for country information outlined in Template:Infobox film, if there is a conflict of information in various reliable sources, then only the common published nations should be listed, so I'm reverting on that basis. Feuertrinker ( talk) 16:52, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
References
I checked the various sources provided by Feuertrinker, and found that both the Danish Film Institute and the LUMIERE database list the UK as a co-producing country, so the argument that it's only a US production doesn't hold up. Wafflewombat ( talk) 01:48, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
The blue link to lanistae links to a cricket. To link to Roman trainers of gladiators or owners of training schools, a wiktionary article ( https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/lanista#Latin ) that simply defines the term or a link to the Wikipedia article on Gladiators, with nine uses of the word, would serve the article better. Kdammers ( talk) 07:05, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
I marked this topic Resolved because the links in question no longer exist in the article. Wafflewombat ( talk) 03:50, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: consensus not to move the page at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 18:05, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
Gladiator (2000 film) → Gladiator (film) – Currently Gladiator (film) redirects to Gladiator (disambiguation)#Film. The other films listed there, The Gladiator (1938 film), The Gladiators (film), The Gladiator (1986 film), and Gladiator (1992 film), are nowhere as notable or viewed as this one. Pageviews analysis: https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2015-07&end=2019-11&pages=The_Gladiator_(1938_film)%7CThe_Gladiators_(film)%7CThe_Gladiator_(1986_film)%7CGladiator_(1992_film)%7CGladiator_(2000_film) Sharper { talk} 15:32, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
Fictionalization section says "Lucilla was implicated in a plot to assassinate her brother in 182 AD, along with her husband Pompeianus and several others." The next bullet point says "Pompeianus had no part in any of the many plots against Commodus." I can't access the book referenced in the first bullet point to verify, nor the link in the second bullet. Was Pompeianus plotting or not? Fuzchia ( talk) 21:05, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
I removed the "Fictionalization" section because it had no citations. Wafflewombat ( talk) 03:48, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
Hi all, this page is the first hit on search engines for "gladiator". Is it possible to add a disambiguation statement to say, "this article is about the 2000 film, for other uses please see -> disambiguation"? Sebhaque ( talk) 23:43, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
There's a statement which says "Roman field artillery used in open battle was far more compact and transportable than shown by the film", but there's no citation for that. In fact, I would argue that it is wrong, since in the film, they depict ballista, which were indeed quite large, and they also depict Onager's, which I would argue is the "real" anachronism, since they were not mentioned by Roman historians until the 4th century. I think that section should be re-written to reflect this, and change the picture from a Roman scorpion, to an onager. Belregard ( talk) 04:08, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
I have removed the material that lacks citation. In the future, somebody will need to write a new "Historical accuracy" section. Wafflewombat ( talk) 03:45, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
This whole section screams 'original research', not a single citation present and quotes dropped in randomly 51.52.43.171 ( talk) 13:22, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Reviewer: TompaDompa ( talk · contribs) 20:41, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
Gladiator is a 2000 epic– where does the designation as an epic come from? It is unsourced in the WP:LEAD and not mentioned in the body.
It was released by DreamWorks Pictures in North America, and Universal Pictures internationally through United International Pictures.– is this information so crucial as to warrant mentioning in the second sentence of the lead? We have the infobox for information that does not need to be present in prose.
Gladiator grossed over $465.4 million worldwide– not according to the cited source it didn't. The gross is given as $465,380,802.
saving the life of German gladiator Hagen during the fight– "German" seems anachronistic here.
The amoral, power-hungry, psychopathic son of Marcus Aurelius.– "psychopathic" definitely needs to be sourced explicitly.
This was Reed's final film appearance, as he died during filming.– seems rather out of place, as this is not character description but real-world detail.
A patrician and senator opposed to Gracchus.– patrician and senator, not simply patrician senator?
Quintus later redeems himself– that he redeems himself is an opinion.
The only undefeated gladiator in history, he was brought out of retirement by Commodus to kill Maximus.– does the film say that he was the only undefeated one in history?
Gladiator shares several plot points with The Fall of the Roman Empire, which tells the story of Livius, who, like Maximus, is Marcus Aurelius's intended successor.– unsourced.
From there, Richard Harris, Ralf Möller, Oliver Reed, Djimon Hounsou, Derek Jacobi, John Shrapnel, and Tommy Flanagan joined the cast.– unsourced. They're in the film, sure, but this makes a statement about when they joined the cast.
Crowe was reportedly uncomfortable with Reed's excessive drinking.– referring to the drinking as excessive in WP:WikiVoice is extremely dubious.
It achieved the year's highest opening weekend and also earned the third-highest opening weekend for an R-rated film ever, trailing only Air Force One (1997) and Interview with the Vampire (1994).– do sources on Gladiator make this point? Per WP:PROPORTION, articles
should not give undue weight to minor aspects of its subject but should strive to treat each aspect with a weight proportional to its treatment in the body of reliable, published material on the subject. "On the subject" is key.
Gladiator opened to generally positive reviews– this WP:ANALYSIS of the overall critical reception needs to come from a source making that analysis. Citing examples of positive reviews is not sufficient.
Crowe's performance received widespread acclaim.– ditto. This is a very strong statement.
Gladiator was nominated for a total of 104 awards, of which it won sixty.– inconsistent formatting of numbers using words versus figures aside, awards is an area where quantitative descriptions are way less enlightening than qualitative ones.
In 2019, The Guardian ranked Gladiator as the 94th best film of the 21st century.– so what?
On November 22, 2024, a sequel to Gladiator will be released in the United States.– it may be scheduled to be released on that date, but it's way too early to say that it will be considering how common delays are in this field.
GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria
@ Wafflewombat: I'm closing this as unsuccessful. The article needs a lot of additional work before meeting the WP:Good article criteria, and as such was clearly nominated prematurely. The above is a non-exhaustive sample of issues I noted while reading through the article. TompaDompa ( talk) 20:41, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
We failed the GA Review. Below, I copied the reviewer's feedback and added my responses.
Gladiator is a 2000 epic– where does the designation as an epic come from? It is unsourced in the WP:LEAD and not mentioned in the body. Citation still needed; removed word "epic" in the interim
It was released by DreamWorks Pictures in North America, and Universal Pictures internationally through United International Pictures.– is this information so crucial as to warrant mentioning in the second sentence of the lead? We have the infobox for information that does not need to be present in prose. Removed the unnecessary information
Gladiator grossed over $465.4 million worldwide– not according to the cited source it didn't. The gross is given as $465,380,802. The inclusion of the word "over" was an error, and it has been corrected
saving the life of German gladiator Hagen during the fight– "German" seems anachronistic here. Changed to "Germanic"
The amoral, power-hungry, psychopathic son of Marcus Aurelius.– "psychopathic" definitely needs to be sourced explicitly. Removed "psychopathic"
This was Reed's final film appearance, as he died during filming.– seems rather out of place, as this is not character description but real-world detail. Removed it
A patrician and senator opposed to Gracchus.– patrician and senator, not simply patrician senator? Fixed
Quintus later redeems himself– that he redeems himself is an opinion. Fixed
The only undefeated gladiator in history, he was brought out of retirement by Commodus to kill Maximus.– does the film say that he was the only undefeated one in history? Clarification: He is the only undefeated gladiator in Roman history. This is a direct quote from the film
Gladiator shares several plot points with The Fall of the Roman Empire, which tells the story of Livius, who, like Maximus, is Marcus Aurelius's intended successor.– unsourced. Removed unsourced material
From there, Richard Harris, Ralf Möller, Oliver Reed, Djimon Hounsou, Derek Jacobi, John Shrapnel, and Tommy Flanagan joined the cast.– unsourced. They're in the film, sure, but this makes a statement about when they joined the cast. Removed unsourced material
Crowe was reportedly uncomfortable with Reed's excessive drinking.– referring to the drinking as excessive in WP:WikiVoice is extremely dubious. Reed's alcohol use caused a fatal heart attack, as mentioned in the cited source. That qualifies as excessive to me, but if it's still too non-neutral, we can change it. Comments welcome.
It achieved the year's highest opening weekend and also earned the third-highest opening weekend for an R-rated film ever, trailing only Air Force One (1997) and Interview with the Vampire (1994).– do sources on Gladiator make this point? Per WP:PROPORTION, articles
should not give undue weight to minor aspects of its subject but should strive to treat each aspect with a weight proportional to its treatment in the body of reliable, published material on the subject. "On the subject" is key. Material removed.
Gladiator opened to generally positive reviews– this WP:ANALYSIS of the overall critical reception needs to come from a source making that analysis. Citing examples of positive reviews is not sufficient. Fixed.
Crowe's performance received widespread acclaim.– ditto. This is a very strong statement. Fixed.
On November 22, 2024, a sequel to Gladiator will be released in the United States.– it may be scheduled to be released on that date, but it's way too early to say that it will be considering how common delays are in this field. Fixed
Wafflewombat ( talk) 23:00, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
- Does the over-reliance on verbatim quotes in the Production section constitute a violation of a particular guideline?
- You said "quantitative descriptions are way less enlightening than qualitative ones" for the awards section. Is that your opinion, or is it a broad enough attitude/norm on Wikipedia that we definitely need to change it?
- For the line "The Guardian ranked Gladiator as the 94th best film of the 21st century," your response was "so what?" Are you stating your opinion that this information is not important? Seems subjective, and I'm wondering if it would be best practice to change it merely due to your thoughts on it. Can you weigh in?
- Could you clarify why the article failed the criteria for "clear, concise" prose and spelling/grammar?
- Which parts were original research, and which parts went into unnecessary detail? It failed both those areas.
- You said, "The article is currently being actively, and rather heavily, edited. It's not an WP:Edit war, but it's a bit of a stretch to call it stable right now." I spent a few weeks editing this page, and once I felt like I had done all I could do, I submitted it for GA review. Should I have waited a certain amount of time between finishing my major edits and submitting?
An article should not give undue weight to minor aspects of its subject but should strive to treat each aspect with a weight proportional to its treatment in the body of reliable, published material on the subject.It's entirely possible that this is something that should be mentioned, but if so that needs to be demonstrated to be "proportional to its treatment in the body of reliable, published material on the subject", where the subject is Gladiator.
Hello, fellow editors! I've spent the last several weeks working on this page, but I've reached the limit of what I can do. I did a lot of copyediting, removed a lot of uncited material, and added a few new segments. Overall, the page is more readable and fact-based. However, some of the sections need to be filled out more. The lead, Plot, and Cast sections are fine, and the Development section is not bad, but the rest of the sub-headings under Production need more information. The Release section needs more content, especially regarding territories outside North America. The Reception section is okay, but the Sequel portion will need more information as the release of Gladiator 2 draws near. Perhaps the most important thing needed is a new Historical Accuracy section. Gladiator takes many liberties with history, but the section as it existed previously was completely unsourced.
Unfortunately, I don't have the time or energy to do the research needed to create the Historical Accuracy section and fill out the other sections. I'm hoping that someone else will take on this task at some point. It may require consulting book-length sources, as I'm not sure there is much additional information on the Internet that I haven't already put into the article. The Landau book is a good place to start, as it is available for free online (there's a link to it). You may also want to get your hands on the Winkler and Schwartz books. When creating the Historical Accuracy section, you may want to consult Michael Grant's book The Roman Emperors. I suggest you avoid the website ScreenRant when looking for historical information; they have three articles on the film's historical accuracy, but I don't trust them because each of their three articles makes a different claim about the circumstances of Marcus Aurelius's death.
This is a very old version of the Historical Accuracy section (much older than the version I removed), which has a lot of information and a bunch of sources.
If you decide to work on the page and have questions, feel free to ask me. I've read through every web source cited in the article.
Thanks! Wafflewombat ( talk) 11:23, 29 February 2024 (UTC)