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I know that there have been RfMs on moving this page to Vital Article Level 3 (which have failed), but I think the issue is that in the absence of a proper Vital Article landing page, this was the best fit, which makes sense.
However, I do find the Vital Article Project at times confusing to engage with and navigate, and the RfC above on the top icon shows that wider members of the Wikipedia community have chequered views of the VA Project.
I think there should be a proper VA landing page that explains the project, it's guidelines (e.g. can a redlink be nominated, must an article start at Level 5 before going higher etc.). There is a lot of good work being done here (and as the academic paper above highlights), but it is very easy to miss it (and even dismiss it, per above). Aszx5000 ( talk) 16:09, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
I'd like to propose, at all five levels of VA, that if a proposal reaches consensus, you can't make a counterproposal against that for at least six months. For example, if consensus resulted in an article being added, you can't propose to remove that article for six months. If consensus resulted in an article being added, you can't propose to remove that article for six months. Etc. etc. swaps are a little more complicated though p b p 01:51, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
This is self-explanatory, these articles are listed in this section on all other levels. Vileplume ( talk) 20:30, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
Looking at Ladtrack's list, we're talking semi-legendary figures here. Neither biographies nor mythology is a perfect fit. pbp 15:06, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
We already list Telephone at this level which should cover all phones. Interstellarity ( talk) 23:08, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
Peter is one of the key rulers that changed Russia totally. There is even such expression "pre-Petrine Russia", there is no such expression as "pre-Catherinian Russia". Russian history is clearly divided into before (with the boyars, without any schools, without navy) and after Peter (with Governing Senate, with Academy of Sciences, with a big navy). His importance cannot be overstated. Interstellarity ( talk) 13:04, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
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Within the "Food and drink" section on level 3, there are several staple foods and crops, such as Salt, Spice, meat, fruit, and vegetable as well as the staple cereal crops of maize wheat and rice, and crops like potato and soy bean. Milk is listed under beverages.
Bread and cheese stand out as the only two prepared food items within this list. These two are also very Euro-centric, should we add " noodle" or " tofu"? If we are going by significance, " beer" should be listed under " alcoholic beverage," as it is the third most popular beverage after water and tea, and possibly older then "bread" and "cheese."
Bread and cheese are significant, but they are out of place in the list and open the door to the questions of why we include those but not others. Removing them would open space for other pages. GeogSage ( ⚔Chat?⚔) 05:01, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
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Vincent van Gogh is more iconic than Rembrandt. Comparing all pageviews data (back to 2015), van Gogh has more pageviews than all Level 3 artists except Leonardo da Vinci. van Gogh also has more than twice the edits of any of the Level 3 artists, and the second highest number of page watchers behind da Vinci. Meanwhile, Rembrandt has less than 25% of van Gogh's pageviews, and is the least viewed Western artist of Level 3. starship .paint ( RUN) 01:55, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
@ Piotrus, Aszx5000, Jusdafax, J947, The Blue Rider, and DaGizza: who voted above in Kahlo vs van Gogh. starship .paint ( RUN) 02:00, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
We are over quota, and this is not top rated by the Mathematics Wikiproject. Less than 700 views per day. Seems more suited for V4. starship .paint ( RUN) 07:43, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
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We list its history at V3 ( History of East Asia 3), but not the region itself. It contains over a fifth of the world population and over a quarter of the world GDP. Vileplume 🍋🟩 ( talk) 12:40, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
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Don’t see how a continent/region of 46 million needs its history at a higher level than that of much more important countries, regions, and non-geographical topics. Even two V4 countries ( Uganda and Sudan) have higher populations. Vileplume 🍋🟩 ( talk) 20:12, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
Its influence on mainstream politics is limited. -- Thi ( talk) 12:11, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
Under Economy 3, we currently list four industries within the Primary sector of the economy: Agriculture 2, Fishing 3, Hunting 3, and Mining 3; and two industries within the Secondary sector of the economy: Manufacturing 2 and Construction 3. We do not list any industry within the Tertiary sector of the economy at Level 3 or above.
Such a distribution between the three sectors is imbalanced, and within the primary sector, hunting is arguably the least important: most animals produced for human consumption (either for meat or animal products) are farmed (i.e., agriculture), not hunted. A case can be made for removing fishing instead, given that it is a subtopic of agriculture and seafood comprises a minority of meat consumed in most countries around the world, however it is probably a more widespread practice than hunting, so my preference is for the removal of hunting. Given that the tertiary sector is mostly about the provision of services, adding Service (economics) 4 makes sense.
We are over quota at 1,003. Piano is the only musical instrument listed at V3. I am really not sure why, is it more significant than wind instruments like the flute, string instruments like the violin, or percussion? Something has got to go here. starship .paint ( RUN) 09:44, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
We are over quota at 1,003, and we already list Algebra 3 which includes abstract algebra. Something has got to go here. starship .paint ( RUN) 09:47, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
We are over quota at 1,003. Jainism has only around 5 million followers. Compare to Judaism 3 (15+ million), Sikhism 3 (25+ million), Buddhism 3 (500+ million).... starship .paint ( RUN) 14:35, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
In weapons, we have Armour, Bow and arrow, Firearm, and Knife. The one that sticks out is Nuclear weapon. I suggest swapping this for Bomb, as nuclear weapons are a type of bomb. While nuclear weapons have had a tremendous impact on modern geopolitics, they have only been used twice. Bombs have been used since the 11th century. GeogSage ( ⚔Chat?⚔) 19:00, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
I think it would be helpful for our readers that may question why a particular article is listed. I understand that AI has the potential to make mistakes so I would suggest doing it for a few articles and correct any errors it makes. Rather than directing to the article to figure it out themselves, it would be helpful to have a sentence or two explaining the importance of each one. Interstellarity ( talk) 21:14, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
Extremely common structure, most of us live in them, many of us work in them, also used for shopping, schooling, airports etc. starship .paint ( RUN) 02:50, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
I think Building 4 is more important to humanity than calligraphy, which has overlaps with Painting 3 and Drawing 3. starship .paint ( RUN) 03:06, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
Since we have Martin Luther 3 on here, I think we should have Ali on here as well. The whole issue on whether he should have succeeded Muhammad immediately is the reason why Islam is mostly split into Sunni and Shia, and unlike the relationship between Catholicism and Protestantism, tensions between the two branches still flare up from time to time.
Seems more suited for V4 when you compare the other V3 Math articles in that section (e.g. 0 3, Complex number 3, Integer 3, Fraction 3). Yes, it's Top-importance for Math, but so are another 200+ articles. starship .paint ( RUN) 09:23, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
He is probably the most important businessperson we have on here, but I'm not sure if he's that important to warrant being a Level 3.
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The purpose of this discussion page is to select 1000 topics for which Wikipedia should have high-quality articles. All Wikipedia editors are welcome to participate. Individual topics are proposed for addition or removal, followed by discussion and !voting. When the list is full, it is highly recommended that a nomination of a new topic be accompanied by a proposal to remove a lower-priority topic already on the list. To nominate an article for a certain vital level, it must first be listed at all lower vital levels. Please see the table to the right (on desktop) or above (on mobile) describing the percentage of articles as FA, GA, etc. for a history of the list.
All discussions will remain open for a minimum of 15 days.
Nominations should generally be left open beyond the above-listed minimums if they have a reasonable chance of passing. Please be patient with our process. We believe that an informed discussion with more editors is likely to produce an improved and more stable final list. When proposing to add or remove a particular topic from the vital articles list, we strongly recommend that you review and compare the other topics in the same category in order to get a better sense of what is considered vital in that area.
I know that there have been RfMs on moving this page to Vital Article Level 3 (which have failed), but I think the issue is that in the absence of a proper Vital Article landing page, this was the best fit, which makes sense.
However, I do find the Vital Article Project at times confusing to engage with and navigate, and the RfC above on the top icon shows that wider members of the Wikipedia community have chequered views of the VA Project.
I think there should be a proper VA landing page that explains the project, it's guidelines (e.g. can a redlink be nominated, must an article start at Level 5 before going higher etc.). There is a lot of good work being done here (and as the academic paper above highlights), but it is very easy to miss it (and even dismiss it, per above). Aszx5000 ( talk) 16:09, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
I'd like to propose, at all five levels of VA, that if a proposal reaches consensus, you can't make a counterproposal against that for at least six months. For example, if consensus resulted in an article being added, you can't propose to remove that article for six months. If consensus resulted in an article being added, you can't propose to remove that article for six months. Etc. etc. swaps are a little more complicated though p b p 01:51, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
This is self-explanatory, these articles are listed in this section on all other levels. Vileplume ( talk) 20:30, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
Looking at Ladtrack's list, we're talking semi-legendary figures here. Neither biographies nor mythology is a perfect fit. pbp 15:06, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
We already list Telephone at this level which should cover all phones. Interstellarity ( talk) 23:08, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
Peter is one of the key rulers that changed Russia totally. There is even such expression "pre-Petrine Russia", there is no such expression as "pre-Catherinian Russia". Russian history is clearly divided into before (with the boyars, without any schools, without navy) and after Peter (with Governing Senate, with Academy of Sciences, with a big navy). His importance cannot be overstated. Interstellarity ( talk) 13:04, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Within the "Food and drink" section on level 3, there are several staple foods and crops, such as Salt, Spice, meat, fruit, and vegetable as well as the staple cereal crops of maize wheat and rice, and crops like potato and soy bean. Milk is listed under beverages.
Bread and cheese stand out as the only two prepared food items within this list. These two are also very Euro-centric, should we add " noodle" or " tofu"? If we are going by significance, " beer" should be listed under " alcoholic beverage," as it is the third most popular beverage after water and tea, and possibly older then "bread" and "cheese."
Bread and cheese are significant, but they are out of place in the list and open the door to the questions of why we include those but not others. Removing them would open space for other pages. GeogSage ( ⚔Chat?⚔) 05:01, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
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Vincent van Gogh is more iconic than Rembrandt. Comparing all pageviews data (back to 2015), van Gogh has more pageviews than all Level 3 artists except Leonardo da Vinci. van Gogh also has more than twice the edits of any of the Level 3 artists, and the second highest number of page watchers behind da Vinci. Meanwhile, Rembrandt has less than 25% of van Gogh's pageviews, and is the least viewed Western artist of Level 3. starship .paint ( RUN) 01:55, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
@ Piotrus, Aszx5000, Jusdafax, J947, The Blue Rider, and DaGizza: who voted above in Kahlo vs van Gogh. starship .paint ( RUN) 02:00, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
We are over quota, and this is not top rated by the Mathematics Wikiproject. Less than 700 views per day. Seems more suited for V4. starship .paint ( RUN) 07:43, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
We list its history at V3 ( History of East Asia 3), but not the region itself. It contains over a fifth of the world population and over a quarter of the world GDP. Vileplume 🍋🟩 ( talk) 12:40, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Don’t see how a continent/region of 46 million needs its history at a higher level than that of much more important countries, regions, and non-geographical topics. Even two V4 countries ( Uganda and Sudan) have higher populations. Vileplume 🍋🟩 ( talk) 20:12, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
Its influence on mainstream politics is limited. -- Thi ( talk) 12:11, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
Under Economy 3, we currently list four industries within the Primary sector of the economy: Agriculture 2, Fishing 3, Hunting 3, and Mining 3; and two industries within the Secondary sector of the economy: Manufacturing 2 and Construction 3. We do not list any industry within the Tertiary sector of the economy at Level 3 or above.
Such a distribution between the three sectors is imbalanced, and within the primary sector, hunting is arguably the least important: most animals produced for human consumption (either for meat or animal products) are farmed (i.e., agriculture), not hunted. A case can be made for removing fishing instead, given that it is a subtopic of agriculture and seafood comprises a minority of meat consumed in most countries around the world, however it is probably a more widespread practice than hunting, so my preference is for the removal of hunting. Given that the tertiary sector is mostly about the provision of services, adding Service (economics) 4 makes sense.
We are over quota at 1,003. Piano is the only musical instrument listed at V3. I am really not sure why, is it more significant than wind instruments like the flute, string instruments like the violin, or percussion? Something has got to go here. starship .paint ( RUN) 09:44, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
We are over quota at 1,003, and we already list Algebra 3 which includes abstract algebra. Something has got to go here. starship .paint ( RUN) 09:47, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
We are over quota at 1,003. Jainism has only around 5 million followers. Compare to Judaism 3 (15+ million), Sikhism 3 (25+ million), Buddhism 3 (500+ million).... starship .paint ( RUN) 14:35, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
In weapons, we have Armour, Bow and arrow, Firearm, and Knife. The one that sticks out is Nuclear weapon. I suggest swapping this for Bomb, as nuclear weapons are a type of bomb. While nuclear weapons have had a tremendous impact on modern geopolitics, they have only been used twice. Bombs have been used since the 11th century. GeogSage ( ⚔Chat?⚔) 19:00, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
I think it would be helpful for our readers that may question why a particular article is listed. I understand that AI has the potential to make mistakes so I would suggest doing it for a few articles and correct any errors it makes. Rather than directing to the article to figure it out themselves, it would be helpful to have a sentence or two explaining the importance of each one. Interstellarity ( talk) 21:14, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
Extremely common structure, most of us live in them, many of us work in them, also used for shopping, schooling, airports etc. starship .paint ( RUN) 02:50, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
I think Building 4 is more important to humanity than calligraphy, which has overlaps with Painting 3 and Drawing 3. starship .paint ( RUN) 03:06, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
Since we have Martin Luther 3 on here, I think we should have Ali on here as well. The whole issue on whether he should have succeeded Muhammad immediately is the reason why Islam is mostly split into Sunni and Shia, and unlike the relationship between Catholicism and Protestantism, tensions between the two branches still flare up from time to time.
Seems more suited for V4 when you compare the other V3 Math articles in that section (e.g. 0 3, Complex number 3, Integer 3, Fraction 3). Yes, it's Top-importance for Math, but so are another 200+ articles. starship .paint ( RUN) 09:23, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
He is probably the most important businessperson we have on here, but I'm not sure if he's that important to warrant being a Level 3.