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Probably too soon to make any changes, but something to keep an eye on Sergecross73 msg me 17:45, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
Content published by Kotaku between 2010 and 2018 is generally reliable, though editors are cautioned of blog/geeky posts that have little news or reporting significance (such as [1]). Content published between 2004–2009 and 2019–2023 should be treated with caution due to weaker editorial standards; articles' usability should generally be judged by the author. Content post-July 2023 may be written by AI and should be generally avoided. In all cases, opinion pieces are covered by WP:RSOPINION.
no longer legally accessible game, they'll sue over that, too—as Kotaku linked in the original version of the article.) You can call it unprofessional, that's fine, but I think this is the type of journalism that the project should value. Woodroar ( talk) 21:13, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
SnowFire ( talk) 18:18, 8 July 2023 (UTC)Content published by Kotaku between 2010 and 2022 is generally reliable, though editors are cautioned of blog/geeky posts that have little news or reporting significance (such as [2]). Content published between 2004–2009 and 2023– should be treated with caution due to weaker editorial standards; articles' usability should generally be judged by the author. Content written by AI is not reliable. In all cases, opinion pieces are covered by WP:RSOPINION.
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https://hiconsumption.com/tech/best-video-games-of-all-time/ This list was made quite casually over a few beers, but I think what defines "great" art is arbitrary enough for this to count. ESPN NFL 2K5, for one, would be up to 4 listings — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alena 33 ( talk • contribs) 17:34, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
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Checking on the reliability of this one, and while they're primarily anime there is overlap between that and gaming, and it does cover some gaming-related subjects. Google Scholar shows it cited in one published paper. About page lists credentials for all the contributors and also indicates an editorial process, though talking with User:ferret prior to this, they did point out many of the staff are fresh out of college or pursuing additional degrees. That said we could really use another good anime website to cite, given the heavy reliance on ANN right now.-- Kung Fu Man ( talk) 16:16, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
Sorry to bump this discussion, but I would like some opinions on it. I would like to use this article in a character article here I've been organizing the reception for, and would rather be safe than sorry when it comes to citing it.-- Kung Fu Man ( talk) 04:32, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
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Has a considerable use in WP, but was never officially discussed. Their about us lists staff, but it doesn't really mention credentials. Skyshifter talk 01:29, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
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Website founded in 2009 with some use on WP. Their staff page doesn't mention any credentials. Skyshifter talk 01:37, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#RfC:_Reliability_of_Dexerto, given that it has been discussed a few times here I thought I would provide a note here. Thanks. Hemiauchenia ( talk) 23:21, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
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Has some use on WP. Consensus seems to be that the source is unreliable [3], but it wasn't officially discussed & isn't included in VG/S. Their staff page doesn't mention any credentials. Skyshifter talk 01:33, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
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Was previously discussed but came to no conclusion with two responses total.
According to LinkedIn, they were founded in 2019. According to their
about page, they are primarily an Esports and console gaming oriented site and are owned by Network N (owner of two reliable sources, PCGamesN and Wargamer). Their deputy editor allegedly went to the University of the West of England and have been a gaming writer for a while.
Negative
MP1 20:53, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
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This is a website that has been mentioned before in previous discussions, but no clear consensus on its reliability or whether it should be used in video game articles or not has been decided.
Comic Book Resources is a website that was founded in 1995 that covers comics and film, but also covers video games. It was, however, acquired by Valnet Inc. in 2016. It is currently listed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/References as mostly reliable and Wikipedia:WikiProject Anime and manga/Online reliable sources as situational.
They appear to have a proper staff and writing team according to their about page, with people such as Robert Kirkman and Gail Simone. Their "Lead Gaming" editor is Tenan Fontes, who according to Muck Rack wrote for Cubed3 (situational) and has articles at Game Rant and TheGamer such as thing #1 and thing #2. Not sure about other editors or their other coverage on video games. Per other Valnet sources here, this will likely land at situational. NegativeMP1 ( talk) 23:55, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
This is very much rumor mill right now, but this morning on Twitter, CBR founder Jonah Weiland shared a post, shared by another former CBR editor, of the CBR account, which was apparently removed, claiming that most of the news editors who had not already resigned had been fired as the site moved further into AI-driven content. Unsubstantiated at this time, but if true, any question of reliability going forward needs closed. I really really think we're close to a full depreciation of Valnet properties. -- ferret ( talk) 13:18, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
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GGRecon is a gaming and esports news network that was launched in December 2019, based out of the UK. I've only been aware of it from the esports side of things, as I believe it was originally only an esports news outlet, but it seems to have expanded to general video game news and reviews as well. In the past, I've been hesitant to use it as a source, mainly due to its infancy, but now that its been established for the better part of three years, I want to start a discussion on its reliability. On a base level, the site has an in-depth policies page and its list of staff (22), many of which have listed past experience writing for outlets and/or degrees in the field. I find nothing wrong with the content they produce, and in my opinion, the site should be considered reliable. I urge others to take a look at their content ( News, Reviews, Originals) and give their opinion. – Pbrks ( t • c) 22:49, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
I've deliberately not linked this site directly, because the domain has lapsed and it is now a phishing site.
Gonegold.com does as it says, lists the store dates of various games after they have finished development. A safe example page via archive.org is here
It dates from the early 2000s, has minimal creator info and no indication of reliability. It is currently in use as a reference on 30 articles ( see search)
Personally, I think it's an obvious open and shut case of not reliable; my main reason for bringing it here is to get it logged should it ever arise again. - X201 ( talk) 11:51, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
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Capsule Computers is currently used in 13 articles. It was mentioned once on this board with consensus for being unreliable. They have About Us, Review Guideline, and Staff pages, but I'm not seeing many credentials from their staff. Worryingly, they have volunteer contribution options with very basic requirements. I checked and didn't see any reliable or even situational sources linking to them. QuietCicada ( talk) 15:00, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
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Here's a website that I've come across in my work on writing about cancelled video games. At my first glance, I wasn't sure it looked like reliable source in our sense, but I came across some new information, so I thought I'd throw it out there and see what people think.
The website is "Games That Weren't". It focuses on cancelled video games and games preservation.
Anyways, its not like they'd ever be used for reviews or contentious BLP stuff, and probably wouldn't be used towards notability either, but I wondered if they could be used sparingly when needed on details for cancelled games and game preservation type stuff. To be used in the same way we use Sega-16 or HardcoreGaming101, both currently on our list.
Thoughts? Sergecross73 msg me 17:24, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
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I don't see why this site is marked in the "reliable" section. The 2021 discussion reads as "why not" with no discussion of the reliability criteria apart from its freelancers. Source reliability rests in the publication's editorial controls, not the individual contributors. The site has no hallmarks of reliability. No about page or editorial policy. No reputation for fact-checking or accuracy. It's a content farm with mostly gameguide content. It should be delisted. czar 15:09, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
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Fairly new source that started in September 2022. They have an about page that says basically nothing and a staff list that lists four people; Tom Henderson, Albert Perkins, Mike Straw, and Grant-Taylor Hill. I can't find anything on these writers except that Henderson is allegedly a reputable insider based on some Google searches (which doesn't mean anything). The site also claims to be trusted by reliable sources such as CNET (seen here and here), USA Today (seen here), The Verge (seen here and here), IGN (seen here), and Gamespot (seen here. They also have successfully reported on future events such as Call of Duty 2023 being titled Modern Warfare III and the existence of the PlayStation Portal. More of their original content can be found here. Due to its use in reliable sources, I'm leaning possibly reliable, but I'm looking for a consensus. Negative MP1 21:31, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
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Sources that I keep running into whenever I try to do research for something beyond the reliable sources search engine. This is a group based in Germany that operates five different sites: EarlyGame, RiftFeed, Valorfeed, MobileMatters, and "Obsidian" (which is just a Facebook page.) The focus of this topic is EarlyGame itself, which is the main site and can be used as a sort of basis to judge the others. It claims to be a leading video game and Esports site with a large user base of five million active users.
I did some surface level research on EarlyGame and they appear to have an about page, but it is incomplete, weirdly worded, and does not list anything of substance about the writers. The lack of last names here and ability to extend the information about the writers on their own pages makes it difficult to determine whether or not these staff are legit journalists. They do however claim to have partnerships with companies such as Toyota, but they claim so through a job listing page.
Upon further research on their imprint page, the group also seems to be part of "eSports Media GmbH", whatever that is. This page lists two people, Fabian Furch and Leopold Ingelheim, both of which I can't find anything about, and the aforementioned weak about page makes the main thing about Fabian that they are a "Former semi-professional Counter-Strike player". As for their content itself, [16] [17] [18] and [19]. I'm leaning towards unreliable solely due to the inability for me to find proof this site can be legit. Negative MP1 22:04, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
Let's get these dead websites reviewed so users editing about old games will have a quick guide to turn to.
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Free Media Kid$ 22:03, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
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I've started this because I noticed that it has not been discussed yet. ภץאคгöร 19:43, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
Adam “McSNES” Martinez, gaming drop-out and FuncoLand ghost, has spent his entire life training to review games for YOU, the loyal readers of Nintendo Times. Adam is permanently banned from Final Fantasy XI: Online, his favorite game.and
Aaron got his NES in 1991 and has loved and collected video games ever since. In addition to gaming, he enjoys Stephen King novels, Twins Baseball, and his cats.inspires little. Their publication date shenanigans noted above is terrible. The EIC claims widespread industry but only denotes they contribute to Gaming Age, currently a situational source for unclear reasons. It seems Gaming Age is claimed to have been part of IGN, but now is related to NeoGAF, an unreliable source. -- ferret ( talk) 21:53, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
Theme: ColorMag by ThemeGrill. Powered by WordPress.(Emphasise mine) There is zero about us, no editorial policies, no staff expertise, and limited USEBYOTHERS (OpenCritic uses it and it's mentioned once in a book, but that's about it). I would say that it is a patently unreliable source. Thanks. VickKiang (talk) 01:48, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
Comment - I wanted to chime in and say that while i have never used the reviews of Nintendo Times in any article i've worked on so far, i have used their NES Hub ( https://www.nintendotimes.com/nintendo-entertainment-system-game-hubs/) as a guide to find sources for NES games. Not every North American NES title is listed but a good chunk of them have their own dedicated pages with sources talking about the game! Roberth Martinez ( talk) 15:22, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
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The website is an Australian video game news and review site that is a subsidiary of a major national media company Southern Cross Austereo. Has a fixed review team and the website contains a review guideline that includes a guide of ethics and scoring system that affirms editorial independence under the Australian Journalists Association. VRXCES ( talk) 00:39, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
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Apologies for starting a new post on this. Feel free to take down if it's felt not relevant, but the previous one just got archived as this came to light.
Patricia Hernandez, former Kotaku Editor in Chief has stated "Seems like AI stories are hitting Kotaku. No authors".
May be useful in any discussions regarding how to handle Kotaku sources going forward and the question was previously asked if we'd seen any and how they ID them.— Preceding unsigned comment added by DarkeruTomoe ( talk • contribs)
JOE BRO 64 17:12, 24 November 2023 (UTC)News posts from Kotaku between 2010 and 2022 are considered reliable, although editors are cautioned of blog/geeky posts that have little news or reporting significance (such as [23]). Articles published before 2010 had comparatively weaker editorial standards, while there is consensus that content published by Kotaku from 2023 onward should generally be avoided due to content farming concerns and unmarked AI-written content. It should be noted that this cut-off is not definitive; declines in editorial processes are gradual, and editors have noted instances of low-quality reporting in preceding years.
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A useful site to add to the Platform Specific list, this site covers games which are playable on Linux platforms, including the Steam Deck and SteamOS more generally. Third party coverage of this site at howtogeek.com describes it as "a great resource of news on all things related to gaming on Linux and SteamOS"
Wikipedia article Video games and Linux states "The GamingOnLinux website was launched on July 4, 2009, and eventually succeeded LinuxGames as the main source of news and commentary" and cites it 54 times.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.26.211.87 ( talk) 17:21, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
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SteamDB is an unofficial website that shows statistics of video games and applications on the namesake platform owned by Valve. I saw someone use it as a source on the Lethal Company article and decided to remove it and replace it with a GamesRadar source. Is it reliable for statistic-related statements in video game articles? — Davest3r08 >:) ( talk) 18:33, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
While this isn't arguing if ValNet should or shouldn't be situational, I feel like it's a good idea to list the other sites that fall under its umbrella such as MovieWeb and Hardcore Gamer that may have some overlap with the project. In particular, Hardcore Gamer is still listed as reliable under its old publisher; apparently the purchase happened in May of this year.
I feel noting this is going to give editors at least a better idea of what sources they may find countered as they work on articles, especially given how much of Valnet dominates Google News' search results at this time. Kung Fu Man ( talk) 10:34, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
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Heavy searching for journalism-related results about computer games occasionally yields content by PC Guru ( ISSN 1217-6389), a Hungarian magazine founded in 1992. It seems to be well-known in Hungarian gaming media circles, but unfortunately, I could find little about it in other Hungarian sources and nothing about its reliability here or in the Hungarian Wikipedia, so I had to turn to a gold standard for journalist credentials that is LinkedIn. There, I got a lot more than I was asking for.
Starting with the editors-in-chief, Zsolt Sashegyi was editor-in-chief from 2002 to 2008, and has been the creative and marketing director for IGN since 2015 ( has written articles). Ádám Székelyhidi was one for the online version from 2006 to 2011, then wrote for 576 KByte from 2012 to 2013, and has freelanced for IGN since 2015. Gabor Takacs, who contributed to or edited for a handful of publications such as Konzol and 576 KByte (as chief news editor), served as the chief editor from 2014 to 2015. Peter Smejkál, after being one from 2015 to 2018, became an editor and later a managing editor for Forbes a month later for more than two years (as opposed to a contributing writer, though he was one earlier). The current editor-in-chief, Gábor Böjtös, was one for Konzol for nearly one and a half years and the "top editor/founder" of IGN Hungary in the first half of 2015, and CHIP Hungary, a sister magazine, writes that its editor-in-chief as of 2019 created the hardware column for PC Guru at its 1992 founding, and also went on to become its chief editor. At the time of that article, the PC Guru writers also began to provide CHIP Hungary issues with articles about PC gaming.
As for writers who have not held that position, one was editor-in-chief for 576 KByte from 2008 to 2012 and again for IGN Hungary in 2015. Another was a game designer for Digital Reality, a former game developer that at one point became Hungary's largest game studio, from November 2001 to February 2003. One freelanced for IGN from June 2015 to December 2018, as did one for eight months and another for six months, the last of whom went on to write for Central Médiacsoport Zrt., a respectable publishing company, and thereafter for HWSW.
I learned surprisingly a lot about this long-running magazine from LinkedIn alone. I thought I might turn up little, but it turns out that PC Guru really is a recognizable magazine among gamers in Hungary, and at first glance a respectable one, too. I presume it counts as a reliable source. Free Media Kid$ 09:13, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
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A source that recently popped up on an article I monitor ( List of video games considered the best) that I've also ran into during my source searching. It's owned by LADbible Group, which claims (I don't believe it) to be the largest youth publisher in the world. Some authors on GAMINGbible seem to have experience, such as the author of what is currently their front page article, Emma Flint, as seen by this, but them at others seem to only have real experience in freelance writing or sites that have questionable reliability.
So this looks okay on paper, but then here's the big thing: they have no editorial policy., and they have very few details placed on their about page. It is unclear who is charge of the site, all they have is generically named emails. Oh, and one very big thing: they allow user generated content. So, knowing this and the questionable experience of their writers, I would argue this site to be unreliable. If some authors that write for the site are more experienced and I simply didn't look far enough, then maybe situational (on a case-by-case basis) would work. Negative MP1 18:33, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
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https://futurism.com/gizmodo-kotaku-staff-furious-ai-content
Probably too soon to make any changes, but something to keep an eye on Sergecross73 msg me 17:45, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
Content published by Kotaku between 2010 and 2018 is generally reliable, though editors are cautioned of blog/geeky posts that have little news or reporting significance (such as [1]). Content published between 2004–2009 and 2019–2023 should be treated with caution due to weaker editorial standards; articles' usability should generally be judged by the author. Content post-July 2023 may be written by AI and should be generally avoided. In all cases, opinion pieces are covered by WP:RSOPINION.
no longer legally accessible game, they'll sue over that, too—as Kotaku linked in the original version of the article.) You can call it unprofessional, that's fine, but I think this is the type of journalism that the project should value. Woodroar ( talk) 21:13, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
SnowFire ( talk) 18:18, 8 July 2023 (UTC)Content published by Kotaku between 2010 and 2022 is generally reliable, though editors are cautioned of blog/geeky posts that have little news or reporting significance (such as [2]). Content published between 2004–2009 and 2023– should be treated with caution due to weaker editorial standards; articles' usability should generally be judged by the author. Content written by AI is not reliable. In all cases, opinion pieces are covered by WP:RSOPINION.
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https://hiconsumption.com/tech/best-video-games-of-all-time/ This list was made quite casually over a few beers, but I think what defines "great" art is arbitrary enough for this to count. ESPN NFL 2K5, for one, would be up to 4 listings — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alena 33 ( talk • contribs) 17:34, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
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Checking on the reliability of this one, and while they're primarily anime there is overlap between that and gaming, and it does cover some gaming-related subjects. Google Scholar shows it cited in one published paper. About page lists credentials for all the contributors and also indicates an editorial process, though talking with User:ferret prior to this, they did point out many of the staff are fresh out of college or pursuing additional degrees. That said we could really use another good anime website to cite, given the heavy reliance on ANN right now.-- Kung Fu Man ( talk) 16:16, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
Sorry to bump this discussion, but I would like some opinions on it. I would like to use this article in a character article here I've been organizing the reception for, and would rather be safe than sorry when it comes to citing it.-- Kung Fu Man ( talk) 04:32, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
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Has a considerable use in WP, but was never officially discussed. Their about us lists staff, but it doesn't really mention credentials. Skyshifter talk 01:29, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
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Website founded in 2009 with some use on WP. Their staff page doesn't mention any credentials. Skyshifter talk 01:37, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#RfC:_Reliability_of_Dexerto, given that it has been discussed a few times here I thought I would provide a note here. Thanks. Hemiauchenia ( talk) 23:21, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
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Has some use on WP. Consensus seems to be that the source is unreliable [3], but it wasn't officially discussed & isn't included in VG/S. Their staff page doesn't mention any credentials. Skyshifter talk 01:33, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
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Was previously discussed but came to no conclusion with two responses total.
According to LinkedIn, they were founded in 2019. According to their
about page, they are primarily an Esports and console gaming oriented site and are owned by Network N (owner of two reliable sources, PCGamesN and Wargamer). Their deputy editor allegedly went to the University of the West of England and have been a gaming writer for a while.
Negative
MP1 20:53, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
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This is a website that has been mentioned before in previous discussions, but no clear consensus on its reliability or whether it should be used in video game articles or not has been decided.
Comic Book Resources is a website that was founded in 1995 that covers comics and film, but also covers video games. It was, however, acquired by Valnet Inc. in 2016. It is currently listed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/References as mostly reliable and Wikipedia:WikiProject Anime and manga/Online reliable sources as situational.
They appear to have a proper staff and writing team according to their about page, with people such as Robert Kirkman and Gail Simone. Their "Lead Gaming" editor is Tenan Fontes, who according to Muck Rack wrote for Cubed3 (situational) and has articles at Game Rant and TheGamer such as thing #1 and thing #2. Not sure about other editors or their other coverage on video games. Per other Valnet sources here, this will likely land at situational. NegativeMP1 ( talk) 23:55, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
This is very much rumor mill right now, but this morning on Twitter, CBR founder Jonah Weiland shared a post, shared by another former CBR editor, of the CBR account, which was apparently removed, claiming that most of the news editors who had not already resigned had been fired as the site moved further into AI-driven content. Unsubstantiated at this time, but if true, any question of reliability going forward needs closed. I really really think we're close to a full depreciation of Valnet properties. -- ferret ( talk) 13:18, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "DreadXP" – news · newspapers · books · scholar · JSTOR · free images · free news sources · TWL · NYT · WP reference · VG/RS · VG/RL · WPVG/Talk · LinkSearch · LinkTo This is an unusual one but seems reliable as a genre-specific source in the vein of Bloody Disgusting. Founded in 2019 as a site that provides fairly regular review, interview and editorial content on independent horror games. However, the site is also used as a vehicle for media and game publishing, although the review content is not reviewing its own self-published releases. The site seems to have something resembling a team [15] but it is unclear what is editorial and what is development. The articles seem to have some experienced writers. Joel Couture has written for Siliconera and Gamasutra/Game Developer. Jay Krieger has written for Bloody Disgusting. The content is not user-contributed. VRXCES ( talk) 22:24, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
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GGRecon is a gaming and esports news network that was launched in December 2019, based out of the UK. I've only been aware of it from the esports side of things, as I believe it was originally only an esports news outlet, but it seems to have expanded to general video game news and reviews as well. In the past, I've been hesitant to use it as a source, mainly due to its infancy, but now that its been established for the better part of three years, I want to start a discussion on its reliability. On a base level, the site has an in-depth policies page and its list of staff (22), many of which have listed past experience writing for outlets and/or degrees in the field. I find nothing wrong with the content they produce, and in my opinion, the site should be considered reliable. I urge others to take a look at their content ( News, Reviews, Originals) and give their opinion. – Pbrks ( t • c) 22:49, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
I've deliberately not linked this site directly, because the domain has lapsed and it is now a phishing site.
Gonegold.com does as it says, lists the store dates of various games after they have finished development. A safe example page via archive.org is here
It dates from the early 2000s, has minimal creator info and no indication of reliability. It is currently in use as a reference on 30 articles ( see search)
Personally, I think it's an obvious open and shut case of not reliable; my main reason for bringing it here is to get it logged should it ever arise again. - X201 ( talk) 11:51, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
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Capsule Computers is currently used in 13 articles. It was mentioned once on this board with consensus for being unreliable. They have About Us, Review Guideline, and Staff pages, but I'm not seeing many credentials from their staff. Worryingly, they have volunteer contribution options with very basic requirements. I checked and didn't see any reliable or even situational sources linking to them. QuietCicada ( talk) 15:00, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
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Here's a website that I've come across in my work on writing about cancelled video games. At my first glance, I wasn't sure it looked like reliable source in our sense, but I came across some new information, so I thought I'd throw it out there and see what people think.
The website is "Games That Weren't". It focuses on cancelled video games and games preservation.
Anyways, its not like they'd ever be used for reviews or contentious BLP stuff, and probably wouldn't be used towards notability either, but I wondered if they could be used sparingly when needed on details for cancelled games and game preservation type stuff. To be used in the same way we use Sega-16 or HardcoreGaming101, both currently on our list.
Thoughts? Sergecross73 msg me 17:24, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
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I don't see why this site is marked in the "reliable" section. The 2021 discussion reads as "why not" with no discussion of the reliability criteria apart from its freelancers. Source reliability rests in the publication's editorial controls, not the individual contributors. The site has no hallmarks of reliability. No about page or editorial policy. No reputation for fact-checking or accuracy. It's a content farm with mostly gameguide content. It should be delisted. czar 15:09, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
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Fairly new source that started in September 2022. They have an about page that says basically nothing and a staff list that lists four people; Tom Henderson, Albert Perkins, Mike Straw, and Grant-Taylor Hill. I can't find anything on these writers except that Henderson is allegedly a reputable insider based on some Google searches (which doesn't mean anything). The site also claims to be trusted by reliable sources such as CNET (seen here and here), USA Today (seen here), The Verge (seen here and here), IGN (seen here), and Gamespot (seen here. They also have successfully reported on future events such as Call of Duty 2023 being titled Modern Warfare III and the existence of the PlayStation Portal. More of their original content can be found here. Due to its use in reliable sources, I'm leaning possibly reliable, but I'm looking for a consensus. Negative MP1 21:31, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
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Sources that I keep running into whenever I try to do research for something beyond the reliable sources search engine. This is a group based in Germany that operates five different sites: EarlyGame, RiftFeed, Valorfeed, MobileMatters, and "Obsidian" (which is just a Facebook page.) The focus of this topic is EarlyGame itself, which is the main site and can be used as a sort of basis to judge the others. It claims to be a leading video game and Esports site with a large user base of five million active users.
I did some surface level research on EarlyGame and they appear to have an about page, but it is incomplete, weirdly worded, and does not list anything of substance about the writers. The lack of last names here and ability to extend the information about the writers on their own pages makes it difficult to determine whether or not these staff are legit journalists. They do however claim to have partnerships with companies such as Toyota, but they claim so through a job listing page.
Upon further research on their imprint page, the group also seems to be part of "eSports Media GmbH", whatever that is. This page lists two people, Fabian Furch and Leopold Ingelheim, both of which I can't find anything about, and the aforementioned weak about page makes the main thing about Fabian that they are a "Former semi-professional Counter-Strike player". As for their content itself, [16] [17] [18] and [19]. I'm leaning towards unreliable solely due to the inability for me to find proof this site can be legit. Negative MP1 22:04, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
Let's get these dead websites reviewed so users editing about old games will have a quick guide to turn to.
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I've started this because I noticed that it has not been discussed yet. ภץאคгöร 19:43, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
Adam “McSNES” Martinez, gaming drop-out and FuncoLand ghost, has spent his entire life training to review games for YOU, the loyal readers of Nintendo Times. Adam is permanently banned from Final Fantasy XI: Online, his favorite game.and
Aaron got his NES in 1991 and has loved and collected video games ever since. In addition to gaming, he enjoys Stephen King novels, Twins Baseball, and his cats.inspires little. Their publication date shenanigans noted above is terrible. The EIC claims widespread industry but only denotes they contribute to Gaming Age, currently a situational source for unclear reasons. It seems Gaming Age is claimed to have been part of IGN, but now is related to NeoGAF, an unreliable source. -- ferret ( talk) 21:53, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
Theme: ColorMag by ThemeGrill. Powered by WordPress.(Emphasise mine) There is zero about us, no editorial policies, no staff expertise, and limited USEBYOTHERS (OpenCritic uses it and it's mentioned once in a book, but that's about it). I would say that it is a patently unreliable source. Thanks. VickKiang (talk) 01:48, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
Comment - I wanted to chime in and say that while i have never used the reviews of Nintendo Times in any article i've worked on so far, i have used their NES Hub ( https://www.nintendotimes.com/nintendo-entertainment-system-game-hubs/) as a guide to find sources for NES games. Not every North American NES title is listed but a good chunk of them have their own dedicated pages with sources talking about the game! Roberth Martinez ( talk) 15:22, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
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The website is an Australian video game news and review site that is a subsidiary of a major national media company Southern Cross Austereo. Has a fixed review team and the website contains a review guideline that includes a guide of ethics and scoring system that affirms editorial independence under the Australian Journalists Association. VRXCES ( talk) 00:39, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
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Apologies for starting a new post on this. Feel free to take down if it's felt not relevant, but the previous one just got archived as this came to light.
Patricia Hernandez, former Kotaku Editor in Chief has stated "Seems like AI stories are hitting Kotaku. No authors".
May be useful in any discussions regarding how to handle Kotaku sources going forward and the question was previously asked if we'd seen any and how they ID them.— Preceding unsigned comment added by DarkeruTomoe ( talk • contribs)
JOE BRO 64 17:12, 24 November 2023 (UTC)News posts from Kotaku between 2010 and 2022 are considered reliable, although editors are cautioned of blog/geeky posts that have little news or reporting significance (such as [23]). Articles published before 2010 had comparatively weaker editorial standards, while there is consensus that content published by Kotaku from 2023 onward should generally be avoided due to content farming concerns and unmarked AI-written content. It should be noted that this cut-off is not definitive; declines in editorial processes are gradual, and editors have noted instances of low-quality reporting in preceding years.
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A useful site to add to the Platform Specific list, this site covers games which are playable on Linux platforms, including the Steam Deck and SteamOS more generally. Third party coverage of this site at howtogeek.com describes it as "a great resource of news on all things related to gaming on Linux and SteamOS"
Wikipedia article Video games and Linux states "The GamingOnLinux website was launched on July 4, 2009, and eventually succeeded LinuxGames as the main source of news and commentary" and cites it 54 times.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.26.211.87 ( talk) 17:21, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
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SteamDB is an unofficial website that shows statistics of video games and applications on the namesake platform owned by Valve. I saw someone use it as a source on the Lethal Company article and decided to remove it and replace it with a GamesRadar source. Is it reliable for statistic-related statements in video game articles? — Davest3r08 >:) ( talk) 18:33, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
While this isn't arguing if ValNet should or shouldn't be situational, I feel like it's a good idea to list the other sites that fall under its umbrella such as MovieWeb and Hardcore Gamer that may have some overlap with the project. In particular, Hardcore Gamer is still listed as reliable under its old publisher; apparently the purchase happened in May of this year.
I feel noting this is going to give editors at least a better idea of what sources they may find countered as they work on articles, especially given how much of Valnet dominates Google News' search results at this time. Kung Fu Man ( talk) 10:34, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
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Heavy searching for journalism-related results about computer games occasionally yields content by PC Guru ( ISSN 1217-6389), a Hungarian magazine founded in 1992. It seems to be well-known in Hungarian gaming media circles, but unfortunately, I could find little about it in other Hungarian sources and nothing about its reliability here or in the Hungarian Wikipedia, so I had to turn to a gold standard for journalist credentials that is LinkedIn. There, I got a lot more than I was asking for.
Starting with the editors-in-chief, Zsolt Sashegyi was editor-in-chief from 2002 to 2008, and has been the creative and marketing director for IGN since 2015 ( has written articles). Ádám Székelyhidi was one for the online version from 2006 to 2011, then wrote for 576 KByte from 2012 to 2013, and has freelanced for IGN since 2015. Gabor Takacs, who contributed to or edited for a handful of publications such as Konzol and 576 KByte (as chief news editor), served as the chief editor from 2014 to 2015. Peter Smejkál, after being one from 2015 to 2018, became an editor and later a managing editor for Forbes a month later for more than two years (as opposed to a contributing writer, though he was one earlier). The current editor-in-chief, Gábor Böjtös, was one for Konzol for nearly one and a half years and the "top editor/founder" of IGN Hungary in the first half of 2015, and CHIP Hungary, a sister magazine, writes that its editor-in-chief as of 2019 created the hardware column for PC Guru at its 1992 founding, and also went on to become its chief editor. At the time of that article, the PC Guru writers also began to provide CHIP Hungary issues with articles about PC gaming.
As for writers who have not held that position, one was editor-in-chief for 576 KByte from 2008 to 2012 and again for IGN Hungary in 2015. Another was a game designer for Digital Reality, a former game developer that at one point became Hungary's largest game studio, from November 2001 to February 2003. One freelanced for IGN from June 2015 to December 2018, as did one for eight months and another for six months, the last of whom went on to write for Central Médiacsoport Zrt., a respectable publishing company, and thereafter for HWSW.
I learned surprisingly a lot about this long-running magazine from LinkedIn alone. I thought I might turn up little, but it turns out that PC Guru really is a recognizable magazine among gamers in Hungary, and at first glance a respectable one, too. I presume it counts as a reliable source. Free Media Kid$ 09:13, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
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A source that recently popped up on an article I monitor ( List of video games considered the best) that I've also ran into during my source searching. It's owned by LADbible Group, which claims (I don't believe it) to be the largest youth publisher in the world. Some authors on GAMINGbible seem to have experience, such as the author of what is currently their front page article, Emma Flint, as seen by this, but them at others seem to only have real experience in freelance writing or sites that have questionable reliability.
So this looks okay on paper, but then here's the big thing: they have no editorial policy., and they have very few details placed on their about page. It is unclear who is charge of the site, all they have is generically named emails. Oh, and one very big thing: they allow user generated content. So, knowing this and the questionable experience of their writers, I would argue this site to be unreliable. If some authors that write for the site are more experienced and I simply didn't look far enough, then maybe situational (on a case-by-case basis) would work. Negative MP1 18:33, 10 December 2023 (UTC)