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Since March, the WTA, ATP, and ITF, have instructed individual tournaments not to show Russian or Belarus affiliation for those players. The individual tournaments have agreed so those players have no country listing next to their names. It is like Taiwan at the Olympics. Wikipedia has followed suit by those tournament sources and not shown the nation for the affected players. All fine and good... no problem per sourcing. But yearly rankings are a different matter. The rankings are based on the whole year (in fact 12 months) and not only since March 2022. Rankings should show the country. What's weird with the WTA/ATP is that their software simply removes the players country no matter what... it's just gone. No matter the year. Results from 2019 show no country for Russian or Belarus players so it is unreliable as a source because of software limitations. Previous yearly rankings show the same mistake. I feel we should continue to keep out the tournament national affiliation but not the ranking national affiliation. Especially since the rankings templates are inserted into many articles. I've come across some conflicting edits and wanted to spitball the topic here amongst peers. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 21:19, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
I'm new here. Regarding the following article /info/en/?search=WTA_rankings May someone tell me why Simona Halep has unofficialy 448 consecutive weeks in the top 10 and how it was calculated that number? Wouldn't be a good idea to specify that reason also inside the article page? Simioniuc ( talk) 13:20, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
Hi. Is anyone interested in posting this DYK, and getting the DYK credit? I can't apparently as an IP. Interesting story. I'll be happy to do the "other dyk review."
Created by 2603:7000:2143:8500:CD4B:DD83:2234:A6CF ( talk). Self-nominated at 20:49, 26 August 2022 (UTC).
The situation. On March 1st the governing bodies of tennis (ATP,WTA,ITF) told the world that no Russian or Belarus player can play a tennis tournament under their nation's flag because of the attack on Ukraine by Russian forces. All tournaments agreed and since that time you will see no player nationality listed at any tournament. No problems there. However, authorities did not say they would remove all nationality from rankings, nor did it say that we should erase the nationality of a player for other reasons. The ATP website software seems to have a problem in that it removed all traces of nationality of Russian/Belarus players... everything. Daniil Medvedev's bio shows no trace of his Russian flag. Rankings from 2020 also show no nationality. This is a software error and makes missing nationality from rankings on the ATP and WTA unreliable at the moment.
If we use other sources for rankings we see a different picture. ESPN rankings, FOX rankings, Washington Post rankings, Tennis Abstract rankings... these all show a nationality... as they should. Individual tournaments, which we can source, are a different matter. Nationality is not allowed for the tournaments and those affected players are not allowed to enter team events.
These ranking templates will be affected:
Joint governing body March 1st statement is right here
These templates are used in multiple articles and inside other templates, and readers have complained about missing nationalities where I have no good answer for them. Since I see no large discussion of this, and another editor and I are at a complete impasse, I have started this RfC here (since it affects multiple tennis articles). Fyunck(click) ( talk) 23:01, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
Is there a full statement about the flag removal, and a source for the software error? Sorry if I missed the links if they're somewhere. CurryCity ( talk) 21:52, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
There used to be singles and doubles record (win-loss) and career prize money stats, but not anymore - not on all profiles (i know higher ranked players still got them). Is there an alternative way to see those stats? I only found a seperate source for prize money [1]. Pelmeen10 ( talk) 18:36, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
Why does the Davis Cup infobox cause the word "Found Nickname" & other such wordings, to appear before a national team's opening? GoodDay ( talk) 20:18, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
Hello tennis community.
Wanting some help/consensus with regards to
Hamburg European Open and
German Open (WTA) articles. As far as I can tell, these tournaments were actually a combined men's and women's tournament (German Championships) until 1979 when the women's event moved from Hamburg to West Berlin. Due to this, a new women's Hamburg tournament was created for 1982–83, returned in 1987 before being discontinued in 2002. A third women's tournament was then created with the same name as the men's in 2021.
My question is in regards to previous champions and number of articles that should exist. There was already a third article titled WTA Hamburg with information regarding the women's tournament from 1982 to 2002. This was somehow merged into
Hamburg European Open without, from what I could see, any discussion to reach consensus.
As they were clearly the same tournament, run simultaneously up to and including the 1978 tournament (for 60-odd editions), I'm not sure that is seems completely appropriate that they are separated whilst the WTA Hamburg tournament became absorbed into the Hamburg European Open article. The WTA Hamburg tournament only had 18 editions and were not even run concurrently with the men's tournament. From 1979, the German Open men's and women's events, whilst not held at the same venue, were usually run in consecutive weeks. The WTA Hamburg event was held at times a few months after the men's tournament in Hamburg.
I'm not quite sure what the solution should be. As there are now men's and women's events at the Hamburg European Open, I don't think that there is an argument to merge the two articles, unless having two separate articles (1. German Open, with men's and women's history until 2018, and 2. Hamburg European Open, men's and women's history from 2019 – which hardly seems ideal). Looking at the respective official pages, the Hamburg open seems to cite tradition of the men's event without mentioning the women's event (
[4]) and on the women's German Open page, they seem to only acknowledge the event since the move to Berlin (
[5]). This could support the following changes:
I could not find any information on whether when women's German Open moved to Berlin, that they also continued to compete for the same trophy as this should support that all history be inclusive in the same article.
For the time being, I think both articles need expanding (and keeping as is might just be the way forward anyway).
Hoping to hear all your thoughts on the topic. Thanks in advance.
Eccy89 (
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13:11, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
Template:Current ATP singles rankings has been
nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at
the entry on the Templates for discussion page.
Qwerty284651 (
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05:19, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
Template:Current ATP doubles individual rankings has been
nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at
the entry on the Templates for discussion page.
Qwerty284651 (
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05:19, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
Template:Current WTA singles rankings has been
nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at
the entry on the Templates for discussion page.
Qwerty284651 (
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05:19, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
Template:Current WTA doubles individual rankings has been
nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at
the entry on the Templates for discussion page.
Qwerty284651 (
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05:19, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
{{Template:Current ATP singles rankings}}
template transclusion with its wikitext and {{Template:Current ATP doubles individual rankings}}
template transclusion with its wikitext so they become regular tables in wikitext.I made this list of WTA 1000 singles titles and how many times the top 20 has won each tournament.
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The ??? are about the player's absence from a tournament. What troubles me is when a player has never played a tournament, which was categorized as a 2nd highest tier tournament: Tier I/Premier Mandatory/5/WTA 1000, and their record is 0–0 at said event, do I put —
or a N/A
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An interesting case is players coming back from retirement, for instance, Kim Clijsters. When she retired back in 2012, she had not played any subsequent tournament that were instated after her farewell. Having become active again, she hasn't played any of those new tournaments and am not sure whether to put N/A or — in their place. Hopefully, someone can help me clear up this dilemma of mine. Qwerty284651 ( talk) 00:50, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
I have begun the task of adding tennis players to the WikiProject Days of the Year under notable Births. So far, I have added the entire WTA top 200 or so players. This includes many notable players like number 1 Iga Swiatek and number 3 Anett Kontaveit. I have also added a few notable ATP omissions such as Andrey Rublev, Matteo Berrettini, and Carlos Alcaraz. The criteria for inclusion in this project is having a Wiki page and an externally verifiable birthday. As a result, I will be looking to include as many players currently in the WTA and ATP rankings as I can as well as those in older editions of the rankings that have somehow not been listed as notable birth so far.
The eventual goal of this project will see every Birth and Death mention come with an in-line citation, as such I have taken it upon myself to start adding citations for players I notice when adding new players. I have also begun to work backwards from the 31st of December to include in-line citations for absolutely every tennis player added to this project already.
What I ask of you is a few things:
Sources:
Rosa Vicens Mas | Player Stats & More – WTA Official (wtatennis.com)
Rosa Vicens Mas Tennis Player Profile | ITF (itftennis.com)
Kxcii ( talk) 21:46, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
I've noticed the heavy majority of the performance timelines contain non-
WCAG-complaint absence abbreviations, NH, NMS, to name a few. The contrast between the background and text color does not pass neither WCAG AA nor WCAG AAA. I've thus far come across 2 of such variants: style="background:#ececec; color:gray" |N/A
(dark gray) and style="background:#f0f1f4; color:#ccc" |N/A
(light gray). Replacing those with {{
n/a}} would solve the issue, either via AWB or other means.
I would not have raised this issue had I been apt in making the replacement myself, but still, awareness needs to be raised for broader reach and implement a new approach, wherein every subsequent perf. timeline made by an editor would use n/a instead of the aforementioned 2 contrast-lacking alternatives. I need others opinions on this matter to suggest how this should be addressed and dealt with. Qwerty284651 ( talk) 18:41, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
I would like to restructure the current WTA Tour sidebar so it closely mimics/matches the ATP Tour one. The problem is, the many WTA tournament categories are divided by eras: 1990–2008, 2009–2020,.., per name change, rather than just by categories: WTA 1000, 500, 250, etc. In 2021, the WTA followed in ATP Tour's footsteps of the naming conventions for their tournament categories, matching the aforementioned categories with the ATP ones, wherein it even updated the old tourn. categories with the newest names on its website. (example:
1990 WTA Tour)
The steps needed to execute this change are:
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My question is: Will this be a better improvement, practically and aesthetically, for the WTA Tour's sidebar? Hopefully, other editors @ ABC paulista, Letcord, Tennisedu, Sportsfan77777, Wolbo, Tennishistory1877, Dicklyon, and Loginnigol: will weigh on the matter so we can reach a common ground. The end goal is to make the sidebar more convenient for future readers, so it's more user-friendly and less jumbled up, straight to the point. Qwerty284651 ( talk) 17:17, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
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's history and there don't seem to have been any previous iterations thereof, which mentioned the old format events in any capacity.{{
Switcher}}
template that displays both on the same article or one at a time, which would probably be against
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@ Fyunck(click): Take your time with this one. It's a doozy.
I looked into the ATP & WTA's structures. This is what I found.
Excerpts from the ATP and ATP Tour wiki articles, respectively, below.
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The ATP Tour comprises
ATP Masters 1000,
ATP 500, and
ATP 250 and the
ATP Cup.
[1] The ATP also oversees the
ATP Challenger Tour,
[2] a level below the ATP Tour, and the
ATP Champions Tour for seniors. The
Grand Slam tournaments, the
Olympic tennis tournament, the
Davis Cup, and the entry-level
ITF World Tennis Tour do not fall under the purview of the ATP, but are overseen by the
International Tennis Federation (ITF) instead and the
International Olympic Committee (IOC) for the Olympics. In these events, however, ATP ranking points are awarded, with the exception of the Olympics. Players and doubles teams with the most ranking points (collected during the calendar year) play in the season-ending
ATP Finals, which, from 2000–2008, was run jointly with the ITF. The details of the professional tennis tour are:
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ATP Tour tournaments
The ATP Tour comprises ATP Masters 1000, ATP 500, and ATP 250. The ATP also oversees the ATP Challenger Tour, a level below the ATP Tour, and the ATP Champions Tour for seniors. Grand Slam tournaments, a small portion of the Olympic tennis tournament, the Davis Cup, the Hopman Cup and the introductory level Futures tournaments do not fall under the auspices of the ATP, but are overseen by the ITF instead and the International Olympic Committee (IOC) for the Olympics. In these events, however, ATP ranking points are still awarded, with the exception of the Olympics and Hopman Cup. The four-week ITF Satellite tournaments were discontinued in 2007. Players and doubles teams with the most ranking points (collected during the calendar year) play in the season-ending ATP Finals, which, from 2000 to 2008, was run jointly with the International Tennis Federation (ITF). The details of the professional tennis tour are:
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WTA and
WTA Tour articles are not worded the same as both ATP articles, but it's safe to say the WTA and WTA Tour are structured similarly to their ATP equivalents/counterparts.
Based off of the info above, I updated the ATP and WTA sidebars so they reflect the correct info (presuming what is written on those 4 Wiki articles is accurate) with some minor modifications and tweaks, mostly technical stuff.
New ATP / WTA sidebar versions
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(Technical) Notes: 1. For WTA sidebar: You can't have sidebars with collapsible lists AND have bullets. It's not feasible. The sidebar's broken and just gives you a row of raw wikitext. 2. One can, however, configure alignment left/center for collapsible lists. 3. v. 5:
4. The Olympics are governed by both the ITF and IOC, but since I couldn't think of a way to place the Olympics under 2 diff. sections, I decided to have them under the IOC only. 5 Removed the photo in WTA sidebar to make up for the added length when the list is expanded. We can survive without the logo. |
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1. Placement and location of ATP, Hopman and United Cup within the sidebars will be determined eventually.
Good to know:
2. ATP v. 2 vs. v. 3: Should the ATP Challenger section be left as its section or be placec under the ATP Tour section?
3. Not sure, whether to have the sections be named ATP/WTA Tour or ATP/WTA. (second sections, after ITF)
* Small remark: There are predecessor articles for the ATP 500 and 250 main pages (namely International series gold and [[ATP_International_Series|International series]) as per my previous comment, which were never included in the ATP sidebar, the stats (1990-2008) from the old ones are copied to the latest articles, which indicates no need to have them listed in the ATP sidebar. Hence why I think the Defunct section should be removed, but If you want, I can leave it there.
→ Summary: ITF and ATP/WTA are 2 separate tennis governing bodies, 2 separate entities. ATP/WTA divide into ATP/WTA Tours, which comprise of: the Masters/1000s, 500, 250, Challengers. ITF sanctions the slams, Davis/Fed Cup and the ITF Futures.
References
Takes from all of this: This should paint a better picture of the raw structure of the ATP and WTA (and ATP and WTA Tours) AND the ITF and inform the casual reader, skimming/perusing the articles, of what is the rough layout of said Tours, which is the main goal. Qwerty284651 ( talk) 00:24, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
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So something like this at the start of 2023?
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We really see the ATP Cup differently and on different ends of the scale, but that's for another conversation on another day. Our browsers must be different since "Defunct tiers (1990–2020)" all fits on one line in Chrome. I would not have left it otherwise had I realized some browsers had an issue. Another quip since we are working on these... we have defunct tiers in the womens sidebar, why not the mens? Since they are for navigation shouldn't we also have defunct ATP International Series Gold and ATP International Series and Grand Prix Super Series so that both sidebars are consistent? Fyunck(click) ( talk) 18:51, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
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I suppose I could keep making little tweaks to my own perfect liking, but these look fine. They are very visually friendly, they are easily used for linkability, they are pretty close to the same so readers won't be confused in the least when checking out the men's or women's tours. You can't ask for much more. The only question mark will be if/when they officially drop the ATP Cup and officially add the United Cup. The ATP cup at that time may have to go in the defunct events. But I'm sold otherwise. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 07:04, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
Latest
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I was going over Iga Swiatek's career statistics article and realized we have two charts that are trivial data that mislead readers, and is likely original research. It's one thing to have charts that show wins of players who were ranked in the top 10 at the time of their meeting... that's fine and relevant. But a chart that shows wins over a No. 1 or No. 2 player when they were ranked far below that at the time? That is really trivial and useless info for our readers. It shows things like a win over No. 2 Vera Zvonareva, who at the time of their match was ranked 96th. No one cares about that data. We want to know who Swiatek beat in the top 10 not a player she beat who was last in the top 10 in 2012! I think these charts have no real value except to add trivial data to our tennis articles. I started this conversation on Swiatek's talk page but soon realized these charts are like weeds. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 19:46, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
The more I think about this, the more I feel these charts should only include actual ranking of the player Iga, and every other BLP this type of chart is included in, has beaten and leave it at that. If this means mass-cleanup, then some be it. I am in for the ride. Qwerty284651 ( talk) 08:40, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
I propose the following the 3 navboxes:
WTA 1000 tournaments
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be merged into one. Any ideas for the new central navbox's design? Qwerty284651 ( talk) 18:08, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
Proposal 1: Sub-template
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Proposal 2: Sub-section
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Unnamelessness ( talk) 03:05, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
Proposals 3 and 4
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ATP Masters navboxes
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Qwerty284651 (
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ATP Masters 1000 tournaments
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Long ago, our performance timelines had cities instead of tournaments, but that was changed by consensus as not accurate. Now our timelines must use the tournament name. Cities are not tournaments and I don't see why the tournament name is not used. It takes up less room than the date row. Common practice for years has been to use multiple navboxes yet here we are merging and tweaking... now would be the time to make them the best they can be. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 03:10, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
I can live with all kinds of mergings, it just seems a shame to not correct things to the actual tournament names. The title of the nav bar is tournaments, not cities, so readers would expect the tournament names. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 07:11, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
There should ne no reason we can't fix it all now and make the following:
ATP Masters 1000 tournaments
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Okay. I've given a lot of thought over the past 10 days and decided to meet you half away. At the end of the day, it's what's the most suitable for the readers that's important and so I decided to put your @ Fyunck(click): proposal into consideration and suggest this as the potential middle-ground solution for the wta navboxes:
Merged WTA navboxes
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Tell me what you think of it. Qwerty284651 ( talk) 04:16, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Storm Sanders#Requested move 6 December 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. — Mdaniels5757 ( talk • contribs) 00:55, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
I found this template Template:TennisMatch3 is used in the matches of 2023 United Cup#Final. In the second match, Musetti retired and Tiafoe won in the second set, but the 0 in the Musetti side was in bold. Is there somthing wrong in the template, or the editor used this template in an incorrect way? Regpath ( talk) 06:23, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
I first prod'd and now nominated Medvedev–Tsitsipas rivalry for deletion. See the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Medvedev–Tsitsipas rivalry. Thanks. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 20:10, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
More input is needed for the name of the following sections, used at 4 related tennis articles:
The issue is @ ForzaUV: is leaning more towards List of champions, which has been present for a while now. Whereas, I prefer the Most titles won by player, which fits more the scope of the section itself.
The question here is which name should we go with, which would be applied across all 4 pages. Qwerty284651 ( talk) 23:53, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
"It has to be simple"Masters titles leaders and WTA 1000 titles leaders are not simple enough for you? ForzaUV ( talk) 17:36, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
I see this discussion is getting out of hand. All because of a simple section's name. I say we vote for one of the following options:
Is it okay if I file a BRFA to replace with WTA Tier I Event(s) → WTA Tier I tournaments? Will this, in any way, violate WP:NOTBROKEN and WP:AWBRULES? Qwerty284651 ( talk) 11:11, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
Hi all. Because of the comment here and resulting AfD nomination, I'm asking here about some other tennis topics I might want to write articles about (some of which the WikiProject guidelines don't directly address) before starting to work on them.
Pinging @ Fyunck(click), but I'd appreciate comments from anyone. In particular I'd like some input on what may make a doubles pairing notable (currently the only ones on Wikipedia are Bryan–Bryan, Williams–Williams, and Woodbridge–Woodforde). I hope the ones listed above are clear-cut inclusions – sufficient coverage should exist for all of them, though I haven't started searching all that much. But how "great" (as the advice on tennis rivalries says), successful, or prolific might a team need to be to merit inclusion? What of (to pick kind of randomly) Huber–Black (4 major wins, 3 more finals, 2 WTA Finals wins), Knowles–Nestor (3 major wins, 6 more finals, 1 ATP Finals win), or Nestor–Zimonjić (3 major wins, 2 more finals, 2 ATP Finals wins)? More recently, Mladenovic–Babos (4 major wins, 3 more finals, 2 WTA Finals wins), Ram–Salisbury (3 major wins, 1 more final, 1 ATP Finals win), or Paes–Hingis (4 major wins)? Koolhof–Skupski (ranked No. 1, but certainly too soon)? Much-publicized lately Gauff–Pegula (1 major final) or Kyrgios–Kokkinakis (1 major win)? Sakkari–Tsitsipas (would be very fun to write about their results at Olympics, Hopman, United Cup)?
Also open to suggestions for how to format these titles. Category:Sports duos would suggest Barbora Krejčíková and Kateřina Siniaková (similar to this page whose individual members have their own articles). But I'm leaning toward Krejčíková–Siniaková in more of this style (though ofc MOS:BOLDAVOID applies) or to go bulky like Barbora Krejčíková–Kateřina Siniaková partnership or doubles team. Thanks in advance for your thoughts, and also for any good sources on particular articles that anyone might recommend me to seek out. Hameltion ( talk, contribs) 21:38, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
Since there aren't likely to be doubles teams in a different sport with the same player names it's probably not absolutely needed in the title, but I was just throwing it out therewhat did you exactly mean by this? Didn't quite understand. Qwerty284651 ( talk) 01:20, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
@ Hameltion, for reliable sources always check out the 4 majors official websites, both tour's official websites, any major newspaper publisher (new york times, washington post, reuters, eurosport, etc.), for more precise search engine searches use Boolean operators: ( [10], [11], [12]), *for tournament edition articles use the World of Tennis almanacs (up to 2000) and/or newspaper articles from e.g. Newspapers.com and pons.eu (which is great for the Czech tandem's upcoming page for translating articles with great accuracy, in this case, from Czech to English and vice versa) as well as books/publications. For the older most notable rivalries, Court-King and others, I know @ Fyunck(click):, should know where to find good, reliable sources, such as books and publications. Qwerty284651 ( talk) 23:13, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
@ Hamelton:, My 2 cents on the matter, in all but the women's singles things on top of the rankings would have been much different had Wimby not been denied by ATP/WTA governing bodies to distribute ranking points to participating players. (battle for mid-season and year-end no. 1 between: Djokovic and Alcaraz in m. singles, top 3 teams in m. doubles, the Czech duo, Mertens and Gauf in w. doubles). Lack of match practice and the stress caused by that to banned players...the natural shift that would have occurred in the rankings, not just the top 10, top 5 had Wimby been allowed to give out points and everything in between. Some food for thought when you will be writing that article. Qwerty284651 ( talk) 23:46, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
For yours really, I've been trying to get somewhat wiser on the different types of hard courts that exist(ed) on the ATP and WTA tours, but our coverage is not really helpful IMHO. Our articles focus on distinguishing the brands of hard courts, but are really unclear to the lay reader on the types of this surface. The situation isn't helped by a change of hard court brand or supplierbeing incorrectly reported here as change of hard court type. This happened for instance when the Australian Open changed their supplier to GreenSet a couple of years ago. This was mistaken as a change of type, even though Tennis Australia clearly stated in their announcement of GreenSet that neither color nor surface would change. The confusion is only made worse by articles on tennis tournaments including brands rather than types in their infoboxes. Lastly, the articles on brands like Rebound Ace, Plexicushion or DecoTurf aren't very clear as to the types of hard courts they are. The worst example is Laykold (currently used by the US Open) however, which had to be purged of marketing stuff copied from their site and is now reduced to a stub that does little to explain what it is. Moreover, according to their site they have different types of hard courts, but I can't find which exact one is used for the grand slam tournament in New York. T v x1 01:48, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
You may be interested in this village pump discussion on draftifiying nearly a thousand Olympians. BeanieFan11 ( talk) 14:28, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
Is United Cup counted as a tournament participation for purposes of the row in performance timeline which lists the total number of tournaments a player has participated in overall and in 2023? It looks like editors aren't counting it, but I don't know if that's the agreed upon practice or it's just a matter of not fully updating the timelines. I would suggest not including it, but I don't have a strong opinion. JamesAM ( talk) 01:38, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
Before I open a potential can of worms at WT:NSPORTS, I'd like some feedback on the following:
Tennis is one of the few sports to have achieved parity between the sexes in terms of coverage and prize money, and as such our guidelines treat Men's and Women's tennis equally. Currently our guidelines state that
Significant coverage is likely to existfor winners ofany of the ATP Challenger tournamentsorany of the ITF Women's $50,000–$100,000+ tournaments; the women's line was setbased on the lowest payout for a men's challenger tournament in the same year. With the 2023 season, a change to the Women's 2nd tier has resulted in a new category of W40 tournaments (with $40,000 prize money) that fall just below the line for Women's tournaments, but at the same time, the ATP organises challenger tournaments that also pay out $40,000 in prize money. I think this inconsistency should be rectified.As the category is new, I tested this line with Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Ma_Yexin, which closed as No consensus. The other 7 players who have won a W40 without meeting any other NTENNIS citeria are: Zeynep Sönmez, Saki Imamura, Sakura Hosogi, Céline Naef, Sofia Sewing, Darja Semeņistaja and Matilde Jorge.
There are 3 options on the table to deal with this:
- A: Do nothing.
- B: Lower the Women's prize money requirement to $40k and include W40 tournaments in NTENNIS.
- C: Add an ATP Challenger prize money requirement of $50,000 from 2008 (to match the current Women's guideline) and remove the lowest value Challengers from NTENNIS.
A and B would only affect the 8 players above right now, I haven't evaluated how many players would be affected by option C as there have been many Men's challenger tournaments since with prize money less than $50,000 between 2008 and now. Iffy★ Chat -- 14:39, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
Zarina Diyas has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Onegreatjoke ( talk) 20:38, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
Does this project have some guidelines on Tournament articles? I have seen several challenger tournaments that more or less are a mirror page and mainly unsourced other than with a general reference to a database/mirrorpage. Others just have a source to the ATP ranking as the only source such such as this one. Here, here and here are others, all from the same editor. I have approached Adamtt9 at their talk page, but no answer yet. The articles probably also fail WP:NOTSTATS. I have seen they are a member of Wikiproject Tennis, so maybe you can help me to understand. Paradise Chronicle ( talk) 10:35, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
I thought this was sign sealed and delivered at the project but I'm running into pushback on "some" player profiles. It seems like an editor wants to include nationality in matches where none existed per the sources. For instance at Taylor Fritz career statistics they want to include Rublev's Russian flag for 2022 Indian Wells and Cincinnati masters events. He played under NO nation for those events. Same with Jack Sinner. This seemed like an easy housekeeping fix but I'm getting messages telling me to stop from editor WhySoSerious?. They say it hurts the continuity in some way that I can't fathom. Do we just correct these results to their ATP and WTA sources because if we leave them unchanged it would be WP:OR without those sources to back it up. This seems like an easy peezy thing but then I guess nothing is cut and dry anymore. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 22:01, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
Please join in the move discussion of athlete Laslo Đere → Laslo Djere at Talk:Laslo Đere. Thanks. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 23:46, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
I'm wondering why has it been a tradition to make articles such as 2022 Billie Jean King Cup Europe/Africa Zone Group II – Pool A and 2022 Billie Jean King Cup Europe/Africa Zone Group II – Pool B followed by the 2022 Billie Jean King Cup Europe/Africa Zone Group II – Play-offs when they all take place at the same place during 1 event. Couldn't we just merge these 3 into 1 article 2022 Billie Jean King Cup Europe/Africa Zone Group II?
We've apparently lost some tennis fans as 2023 only has 2023 Billie Jean King Cup Europe/Africa Zone Group I – Pool A (redirected at first) 2023 Billie Jean King Cup Europe/Africa Zone Group I – Pool B (nominated for deletion). But they still are notable events, agree/disagree? Pelmeen10 ( talk) 23:11, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
Hello I cannot find any newspaper sources at British Newspaper Archive and Newspaper Archive via wikipedia library from 1972 until 1994 when this tournament was staged under the official name Madrid Tennis Grand Prix! I can find a lots of references to a tournament called the Madrid Open between those dates with the sponsorship names of Trofeo Melia and Trofeo Gillette. The history of that tournament also goes back before 1972 known as the Madrid International from 1971 to 1968, the Puerta de Hierro International or sometimes called the Puerta de Hierro Madrid International from 1967 to 1950 played at the Real Club de la Puerta de Hierro. The precursor event to the latter being the Championship of Madrid from 1905 to 1915 also played at the Real Club de la Puerta de Hierro. The first mens event ended in 1996 and the women's in 2003. Now we have a men's only Madrid Open (tennis) from 2002 now an ATP 1000 event. Unless someone can shed light on why the Madrid Tennis Grand Prix is not called the Madrid Open I propose moving the article to Madrid Open (1972-2003) like whats been done here with this article Navy Board and Navy Board (1964-present) This will allow me to merge M & W articles into one page and , then redirect the others. Navops47 ( talk) 09:05, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Kyle Spencer#Requested move 30 May 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. UtherSRG (talk) 19:23, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
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Hello. Why are these articles named differently in Davis Cup/Billie Jean King Cup and Hopman Cup? Example: Canada.
Davis: Canada Davis Cup team
BJKC: Canada Billie Jean King Cup team
Hopman Cup: Canada at the Hopman Cup
Why isn't Canada called "Canada Hopman Cup team" in the Hopman Cup or the other two not titled "Canada at the [tournament title]"? Rafaelfdc ( talk) 07:24, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
(I'm not very familiar with this WikiProject community, so please ping others if you think the users might be interested in this) Hi everybody, as you can see, the 2023 ITF Women's World Tennis Tour (January–March) is often not updated, and not much editors still actively update it now. This is because these lists' content is often unimportant, e.g. W15 tournaments where almost no one had heard about the winner. So here are my suggestions:
1. Remove all W25/W15 tournaments / only include finalists
2. Only include W40 semi-finalists
3. Keep the rest (i.e. W60, W80, W100)
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It has come to my attention that some of our yearly tour charts are being changed. For good or ill is the question as it's a minor issue. It would affect charts back to about 1970 so a 100 or so charts men's and women's. I guess it could be used as precedent for other charts but let's look at these charts to see where the Tennis Project sits.
Background: A year or so ago we had an rfc that determined that within titles, the hyphen/ndash is a separator that begins a new sentence structure, but that it would follow MOS capitalization in sentence case after the ndash. Discussions were everywhere but a big one was right here. This changed all of our thousands of articles from the style 1990 Wimbledon – Mixed Doubles to 1990 Wimbledon – Mixed doubles. Done deal there. We also discussed in the same time period the fact right here that it specifically affected the 2021 WTA Tour article in that in the tournament column we had in the majors, Singles–Doubles–Mixed Doubles, and that those needed to be changed to Singles–Doubles–Mixed doubles, or to drop the lower case doubles and just call it Mixed. Done deal, we went with only Singles–Doubles–Mixed for our articles. Not all have changed but it's the rule we go by. In that same chart column we also show the court type as Grass or Hard, or Clay (or Carpet or Wood). We never discussed the court type capitalization afaik. We just left them as is. Most are just like the 2023 ATP Tour where we see Hard sandwiched in between money and draw size between the ndashes: $642,735 – Hard – 32S/16Q/24D. But many have now been changed in the last week to $115,000 – hard – 32S/16D as in 1988 Grand Prix (tennis).
I'm not sure which way we want it... to follow what we do with Singles–Doubles–Mixed or to change the surface only to lower case. It matters for consistency so we know whether to change these 100 or so articles to lower case or whether to revert the week-old changes to some articles back to upper case. I did this informally, but any thoughts? Fyunck(click) ( talk) 22:43, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
Let's vote. What is you preference on having the surfaces listed with the colors?
I vote to keep. Qwerty284651 ( talk) 20:22, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
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The results of Wimbledon are nominated for the Main page. The discussion is here. Articles to be updated are Carlos Alcaraz, Marketa Vondrousova and Wimbledon. Last time not even the grand slam record of Djokovic was blurbed for the French Open due to quality concerns. I hope a victory of the lowest ranked Wimbledon player will make it and I believe editors of the Tennis project could help in this aim. Paradise Chronicle ( talk) 20:39, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
We seem to have an editor that wants things both ways, and I disagree. We have for years made sure we kept "greatest player of all-time" out of articles like Federer and Nadal and Graf and Wills and Lenglen and and Connelly, and Laver, etc. Those are water-cooler sayings not worthy of an encyclopedia. This has been discussed many times. "One of the greatest" is fine and easily sourcable. Even "considered by some to be the greatest of all-time" while in my opinion over the top for an encyclopedia, can at least be easily sourced for some players. Someone has inserted first "widely considered the greatest" and now "considered by many the greatest" into the Djokovic article. I can't get them to see the issue and can of worms they open up with that. If we are now going to start allowing the terms then we need to put the Nadal, Federer, Graf, Wills, stuff back in that we had removed years ago. Numbers are not the only criteria for greatest... otherwise Roy Emerson would have been thought of as the greatest until Federer came along. He was not though. And for decades many had though Pancho Gonzales as the greatest, and many still look at Laver with two Grand Slams as easily the greatest. Heck Don Budges wone a grand slam and 6 majors in a row before leaving for the pros... heck he must be the greatest. We need to nip this before the articles start getting that resort pamphlet feel, or we need to open it up for everything again. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 04:18, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
Juan Martín del Potro has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 ( talk) 12:59, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
I'm not 100% what's going on with the article, but it's like someones PR team has gone over it. The user has only ever edited that page since March, I'm not 100% where it just needs to be properly wikified. YellowStahh ( talk) 20:06, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
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Andy Murray has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Thebiguglyalien ( talk) 07:06, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
The entry for NK has been flagged for review/shorten/update/consolidate. At present it seems to be overly concerned with fines, failures, perceived fake injuries, withdrawals...all the negative stuff with no balance about the contribution he has/is making to the sport. A number of us have tried to balance this with more recent articles and input but have been rejected. We believe that as NK has a prominent place in the sport - for so many reasons - he should be fairly represented with the most recent articles cited. At present there is a lot of messy repetition and detail, often using online tabloids as resources. I have a list of useful articles and cover stories from 2023 which would be of interest to WP readers but can't get the entry to use them. Anyone know how to get started? SueoftheAntipodes ( talk) 16:42, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
I thought this was a done deal back in this 2022 RFC but obviously not. A handful of editors did another rfc with no sports projects input at all. And it's being challenged because we just noticed it. This could affect almost every single tennis and Olympic article we have, and goodness know how many other sports. Some may have already been moved it you weren't watching the article. And not just the article titles will be affected but all the player bios that link to the articles. Sure the links would be piped to the right place if thousands of articles moved, but if the wording in a bio still said 2023 Wimbledon Championships – Men's singles or Swimming at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Men's 200 metre backstroke that would likely need to be changed by hand. There is also talk of removing the ndash completely.
Perhaps this is what sports projects want and perhaps not. Either way I certainly don't want projects ill-informed as the last RfC was handled. Express your thoughts at the following rfc. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 20:28, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
Dear members of WikiProject Tennis,
there is an active discussion going on about BLP's career statistics chart layout here. I cordially invite you to join the discussion and share your opinion on the 16 items discussed and help us reach a sound and clear conclusion on the matter to enable visitors and readers of tennis articles be given the best version of BLP's statistics that we possibly can.
Pinging the current contributors, involved in the discussion. @ Fyunck(click), JamesAndersoon, and Wolbo:.
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Hello!
As part of my work with Beutler Ink, I've been asked by the family of Tristan Boyer to explore whether he qualifies for a Wikipedia article. Typically, I'd submit a draft for review at articles for creation. Because I have a conflict of interest, I will not publish an article directly. In this case, I thought that I would seek input from editors here first on whether he qualifies under WP:NTENNIS? It looks to me like he's right at the threshold of several of the criteria, and I see his name pops up in a good deal of Wikipedia articles about tennis tournaments, such as the 2023 Pan American Games and the 2023 Antofagasta Challenger – Singles. Here are all the current redlinks for his name. I'm hoping that folks here will weigh in with their thoughts on his notability. I'd also like to note that I am not associated with this draft that was recently submitted to AfC.
I can provide additional links if that would be helpful to review, or if editors think he's likely notable, I am happy to put together a draft using the tennis player article format.
Cheers! BINK Robin ( talk) 18:15, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
Marc Pepin has a five-decade history and has been inducted into our provincial sports hall of fame. He is a highly ranked player on the Senior Tour. I have written and submitted a draft article but it keeps getting rejected. Reading between the lines it seems to be for sources. My sources are CBC News articles, Government of New Brunswick, Canada sources and Sports Hall of Fame. All independant and published. What more can Wikipedia want? I'm looking for guidance from the group. Thank you for your time. /info/en/?search=Draft:Marc_Pepin Todio64 ( talk) 22:17, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
Federer–Nadal rivalry has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Hog Farm Talk 23:35, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
Hello to everyone! I wondering can we provide some better pictures for some significant former players. For instance, Justine Henin is one of the most successful female tennis player, but she hasn't got any proper image. For me is interesting that there is no photo of her holding any title, but she has won some major, just as French Open five times. I'm sorry if this is not proper place to leave this message, but I need to spread this request as far as possible. I hope so we can do something. Also, e.g. there is some former player, Julie Halard-Decugis, that I have never heard about, but she is former number 1 doubles player, Grand Slam doubles champion and top 10 singles player and she hasn't got even one photo. The list is big. JamesAndersoon ( talk) 21:54, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The situation. From 1 March 2022 the ATP/WTA/ITF issued a statement saying "Players from Russia and Belarus will continue to be allowed to compete in international tennis events as individuals. However, they will not compete under the name or flag of Russia or Belarus until further notice." Two links: ITF Here, and WTA Here. We have followed this lead and sources at Wikipedia and removed Russia/Belarus nationality from our players at international events since 1 March 2022. Some here also want to include the flag/nationality removal here on our ranking charts also. No sourced statements have said to do so. However the ATP and WTA websites also removed the nationalities from rankings. Outside sources other than those tennis bodies are mixed, but then other sources are also mixed on nationality removal from tournaments. Examples, here, and here, and here, and here. Example of ESPN using nationality even in tournaments.
We would tend to go with the sourced charts of the ATP and WTA websites, but there is a big problem on this issue with reliability there. The WTA/ATP websites removed all nationalities/flags from all Russia/Belarus players from all times in history... a blanket removal. Players long since retired are included. WTA player Dinara Safina hasn't played in a decade... no nationality. Same with Elena Dementieva and 1990s player Yevgeny Kafelnikov. No flags/nationalities in any tournament they played in or in any capacity on their websites. We certainly are not going to start removing nationalities from these players as the tennis governing bodies seem to be telling us to do on their websites. Their software on this issue seems to be faulty in determining what to do or they were lazy and did a blanket removal. Can we use them for our rankings not knowing if it is faulty/limited software issues or if they really mean to remove the nationalities from rankings as well? If so should we also follow them in removing retired player nationalities from years ago? This is our dilemma at Tennis Project since it affects any article with rankings charts.
We had a previous RfC on this a year ago with no opposition to keeping flags, but only three people participated. Since we have two current editors now wanting the nationalities removed I thought it best to rehash and see if opinions have changed. I'm not starting with an RfC since that includes all editors from society, sports, and culture, and this is really a tennis chart only issue. I think the Tennis Project can handle this plus we don't want to bump up against WP:RFCBEFORE.
That's our pickle. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 07:53, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
(A) Keep flags or (B) Remove flags
Aside from the change regarding the points distribution, the points breakdown slots would also expand from 16 to 18 (excluding year-end championship). The new system has already implemented on 1 January 2024, according to the latest official WTA rankings, which has a lot of moves compared to the year-end 2023. Unnamelessness ( talk) 05:43, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
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In all yearly tennis events we describe the most important aspect first. Who won the yearly event, the edition and what it is. WE do that with [ [13]], US Open, etc. There were multiple complaints about this by readers throughout the years here. No sport mentioned, no winners at the top, finals brackets buried. Sure in the main article at United Cup where it's not a yearly article it would be different, but this is for our readers. You come to the page and first and foremost you want to know the winner of the 2023 edition, and in the body you want to see the final bracket, just like all other tennis articles here. The only reason anything else would go up top is that this is the very first edition, but then its opening lead would be different than all other editions. It seems like readers heading to 2023 United Cup first and foremost want to know who won that year. Then you tell us the edition, the fact you get ranking points, etc. Just like we do at the 2024 United Cup or 2023 Davis Cup. This has been copied from Talk:2023 United Cup to get more eyes on it. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 18:13, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
From 2024 ITF recategorized its tournaments the W25 --> W35 the W40 --> W50 the W60 --> W75 and terminate W80 category.
Until now, this has also been the was the ITF tournaments key:
Category |
W100 tournaments |
W80 tournaments |
W60 tournaments |
W40 tournaments |
W25 tournaments |
W15 tournaments |
What will be the new color scheme? Sczipo ( talk) 08:13, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
WTA 1000 season articles all end with "...tournaments". Only the 2023 ATP Masters 1000 page has "tournaments" at the end of the title. Do we match what the WTA articles have or remove tournaments from the one ATP Masters season article? Qwerty284651 ( talk) 19:32, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
A title could be done that way but I'm not sure it's worth it.So, you don't want "tournaments" added to end of each yearly article then? Qwerty284651 ( talk) 11:58, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
See this change for 2023 page and give me your opinion on it. Qwerty284651 ( talk) 04:50, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
Good afternoon, I have put in a move request for Yulia Starodubtseva as she is listed as Yuliia in most sources, there is a move discussion on Talk:Yulia Starodubtseva as well as my opening argument, as its moving slow I am hoping bringing the projects attention to it can move it along. YellowStahh ( talk) 19:25, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
Hello I am currently drafting a 1967 men's tennis season here: User:Navops47/sandbox/Season and I am having a technical issue with the January section of the calendar. I cant seem to align the tournaments showing for week beginning 9 Jan their should be 4 events showing ive put in rowspan 8 but the Tasmanian Championships wont show I've tried correcting it a few times but can't :( I would appreciate any help from anyone to correct the error im not seeing many thanks. Navops47 ( talk) 05:56, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
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I am pinging @ Fyunck(click), ForzaUV, and Krmohan:, the original contributors to the WTA 1000 tables' current design and layout. Not sure Forza will respond as he's been inactive for almost a year. Fyunck helped with the tables design before both stat pages were even created.
With BOTH Dubai (Dubai Open) and Doha (Qatar Open) being added as WTA 1000 events next year, 10 WTA 1000 events are scheduled to take place in 2024 for the first time since 2007. Other notable changes: Wuhan is coming back and will be played AFTER Beijing as the last, 10th, event. [1] [2]
This mainly affects 3 pages: WTA 1000 and its corresponding singles and doubles statistics pages. Both stat pages have "Champions by year" sections listing all the winners 1990-Present in 2 tables: WTA Tier I (1990-2008) and WTA Premier Mandatory/5/1000 (2009-). The first table has 10 tournament columns, because between 2003–2007 San Diego took place, which contributed to there being 10x WTA Tier I events in a year. Whereas the 2nd table has only 9 tournament columns.
My question is: do we create a 3rd table to accommodate for that extra tournament OR expand the current 2nd table to list both Dubai and Doha in separate columns? Or maybe some other solution that someone comes up with.
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Please comment Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_February_14#Category:American_tennis_coaches_by_state regarding this tennis-related discussion.-- User:Namiba 18:47, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
Hi all. User:Marcric and I have a disagreement over how to present the titles for Kalinskaya on her infobox. For doubles, based on my interpretation of Template:Infobox tennis biography, which says Singles and Doubles titles, include only titles won on the WTA (women) or the ATP (men) Tour, not the ITF circuit (the tier below), this should simply state '3' as she has won 3 titles at the WTA tour level, and my understanding is that these supersede her WTA Challenger, ITF and junior titles that she may have won. For example, I note that most GA articles don't bother listing ITF or Challenger titles once the player has reached the highest level: Simona Halep, Belinda Bencic, Sofia Kenin, Dayana Yastremska. In fact, with Halep, we don't even bother with the ITF statistics at Simona Halep career statistics, even though we know that she won many at that level in her early days. Same with Beatriz Haddad Maia and Laura Siegemund, both of whom played on the ITF tour for years but we only need to record their WTA titles.
I also think that her singles infobox should just state '1 WTA Challenger' so that it is in line with Kateryna Baindl, Irina Khromacheva and other players whose highest honour is a WTA Challenger singles title and when she inevitably wins a WTA Tour level event, it should just be changed to '1' to be consistent with every other tennis article. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 13:45, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
Hi All, I'm just trying to implement a pattern I have used in Ana Bogdan's article. If I'm in the wrong way, just tell me, explain the reasons and point the pattern I shoul use, because at this date, each article uses a different pattern... -- MarcRic::Ruby ( talk) 14:19, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
Ah, now I get it: so the "pattern" varies, according to titles and country of the player. From now on, I will just stop updating player infoboxes. Regards. -- MarcRic::Ruby ( talk) 15:01, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
Hi all. User:Marcric and I have a disagreement over how to present the titles for Kalinskaya on her infobox. For doubles, based on my interpretation of Template:Infobox tennis biography, which says Singles and Doubles titles, include only titles won on the WTA (women) or the ATP (men) Tour, not the ITF circuit (the tier below), this should simply state '3' as she has won 3 titles at the WTA tour level, and my understanding is that these supersede her WTA Challenger, ITF and junior titles that she may have won. For example, I note that most GA articles don't bother listing ITF or Challenger titles once the player has reached the highest level: Simona Halep, Belinda Bencic, Sofia Kenin, Dayana Yastremska. In fact, with Halep, we don't even bother with the ITF statistics at Simona Halep career statistics, even though we know that she won many at that level in her early days. Same with Beatriz Haddad Maia and Laura Siegemund, both of whom played on the ITF tour for years but we only need to record their WTA titles.
I also think that her singles infobox should just state '1 WTA Challenger' so that it is in line with Kateryna Baindl, Irina Khromacheva and other players whose highest honour is a WTA Challenger singles title and when she inevitably wins a WTA Tour level event, it should just be changed to '1' to be consistent with every other tennis article. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 13:45, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
Hi All, I'm just trying to implement a pattern I have used in Ana Bogdan's article. If I'm in the wrong way, just tell me, explain the reasons and point the pattern I shoul use, because at this date, each article uses a different pattern... -- MarcRic::Ruby ( talk) 14:19, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
Ah, now I get it: so the "pattern" varies, according to titles and country of the player. From now on, I will just stop updating player infoboxes. Regards. -- MarcRic::Ruby ( talk) 15:01, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
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Since March, the WTA, ATP, and ITF, have instructed individual tournaments not to show Russian or Belarus affiliation for those players. The individual tournaments have agreed so those players have no country listing next to their names. It is like Taiwan at the Olympics. Wikipedia has followed suit by those tournament sources and not shown the nation for the affected players. All fine and good... no problem per sourcing. But yearly rankings are a different matter. The rankings are based on the whole year (in fact 12 months) and not only since March 2022. Rankings should show the country. What's weird with the WTA/ATP is that their software simply removes the players country no matter what... it's just gone. No matter the year. Results from 2019 show no country for Russian or Belarus players so it is unreliable as a source because of software limitations. Previous yearly rankings show the same mistake. I feel we should continue to keep out the tournament national affiliation but not the ranking national affiliation. Especially since the rankings templates are inserted into many articles. I've come across some conflicting edits and wanted to spitball the topic here amongst peers. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 21:19, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
I'm new here. Regarding the following article /info/en/?search=WTA_rankings May someone tell me why Simona Halep has unofficialy 448 consecutive weeks in the top 10 and how it was calculated that number? Wouldn't be a good idea to specify that reason also inside the article page? Simioniuc ( talk) 13:20, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
Hi. Is anyone interested in posting this DYK, and getting the DYK credit? I can't apparently as an IP. Interesting story. I'll be happy to do the "other dyk review."
Created by 2603:7000:2143:8500:CD4B:DD83:2234:A6CF ( talk). Self-nominated at 20:49, 26 August 2022 (UTC).
The situation. On March 1st the governing bodies of tennis (ATP,WTA,ITF) told the world that no Russian or Belarus player can play a tennis tournament under their nation's flag because of the attack on Ukraine by Russian forces. All tournaments agreed and since that time you will see no player nationality listed at any tournament. No problems there. However, authorities did not say they would remove all nationality from rankings, nor did it say that we should erase the nationality of a player for other reasons. The ATP website software seems to have a problem in that it removed all traces of nationality of Russian/Belarus players... everything. Daniil Medvedev's bio shows no trace of his Russian flag. Rankings from 2020 also show no nationality. This is a software error and makes missing nationality from rankings on the ATP and WTA unreliable at the moment.
If we use other sources for rankings we see a different picture. ESPN rankings, FOX rankings, Washington Post rankings, Tennis Abstract rankings... these all show a nationality... as they should. Individual tournaments, which we can source, are a different matter. Nationality is not allowed for the tournaments and those affected players are not allowed to enter team events.
These ranking templates will be affected:
Joint governing body March 1st statement is right here
These templates are used in multiple articles and inside other templates, and readers have complained about missing nationalities where I have no good answer for them. Since I see no large discussion of this, and another editor and I are at a complete impasse, I have started this RfC here (since it affects multiple tennis articles). Fyunck(click) ( talk) 23:01, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
Is there a full statement about the flag removal, and a source for the software error? Sorry if I missed the links if they're somewhere. CurryCity ( talk) 21:52, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
There used to be singles and doubles record (win-loss) and career prize money stats, but not anymore - not on all profiles (i know higher ranked players still got them). Is there an alternative way to see those stats? I only found a seperate source for prize money [1]. Pelmeen10 ( talk) 18:36, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
Why does the Davis Cup infobox cause the word "Found Nickname" & other such wordings, to appear before a national team's opening? GoodDay ( talk) 20:18, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
Hello tennis community.
Wanting some help/consensus with regards to
Hamburg European Open and
German Open (WTA) articles. As far as I can tell, these tournaments were actually a combined men's and women's tournament (German Championships) until 1979 when the women's event moved from Hamburg to West Berlin. Due to this, a new women's Hamburg tournament was created for 1982–83, returned in 1987 before being discontinued in 2002. A third women's tournament was then created with the same name as the men's in 2021.
My question is in regards to previous champions and number of articles that should exist. There was already a third article titled WTA Hamburg with information regarding the women's tournament from 1982 to 2002. This was somehow merged into
Hamburg European Open without, from what I could see, any discussion to reach consensus.
As they were clearly the same tournament, run simultaneously up to and including the 1978 tournament (for 60-odd editions), I'm not sure that is seems completely appropriate that they are separated whilst the WTA Hamburg tournament became absorbed into the Hamburg European Open article. The WTA Hamburg tournament only had 18 editions and were not even run concurrently with the men's tournament. From 1979, the German Open men's and women's events, whilst not held at the same venue, were usually run in consecutive weeks. The WTA Hamburg event was held at times a few months after the men's tournament in Hamburg.
I'm not quite sure what the solution should be. As there are now men's and women's events at the Hamburg European Open, I don't think that there is an argument to merge the two articles, unless having two separate articles (1. German Open, with men's and women's history until 2018, and 2. Hamburg European Open, men's and women's history from 2019 – which hardly seems ideal). Looking at the respective official pages, the Hamburg open seems to cite tradition of the men's event without mentioning the women's event (
[4]) and on the women's German Open page, they seem to only acknowledge the event since the move to Berlin (
[5]). This could support the following changes:
I could not find any information on whether when women's German Open moved to Berlin, that they also continued to compete for the same trophy as this should support that all history be inclusive in the same article.
For the time being, I think both articles need expanding (and keeping as is might just be the way forward anyway).
Hoping to hear all your thoughts on the topic. Thanks in advance.
Eccy89 (
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Template:Current ATP singles rankings has been
nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at
the entry on the Templates for discussion page.
Qwerty284651 (
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05:19, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
Template:Current ATP doubles individual rankings has been
nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at
the entry on the Templates for discussion page.
Qwerty284651 (
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05:19, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
Template:Current WTA singles rankings has been
nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at
the entry on the Templates for discussion page.
Qwerty284651 (
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05:19, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
Template:Current WTA doubles individual rankings has been
nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at
the entry on the Templates for discussion page.
Qwerty284651 (
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05:19, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
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template transclusion with its wikitext so they become regular tables in wikitext.I made this list of WTA 1000 singles titles and how many times the top 20 has won each tournament.
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The ??? are about the player's absence from a tournament. What troubles me is when a player has never played a tournament, which was categorized as a 2nd highest tier tournament: Tier I/Premier Mandatory/5/WTA 1000, and their record is 0–0 at said event, do I put —
or a N/A
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An interesting case is players coming back from retirement, for instance, Kim Clijsters. When she retired back in 2012, she had not played any subsequent tournament that were instated after her farewell. Having become active again, she hasn't played any of those new tournaments and am not sure whether to put N/A or — in their place. Hopefully, someone can help me clear up this dilemma of mine. Qwerty284651 ( talk) 00:50, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
I have begun the task of adding tennis players to the WikiProject Days of the Year under notable Births. So far, I have added the entire WTA top 200 or so players. This includes many notable players like number 1 Iga Swiatek and number 3 Anett Kontaveit. I have also added a few notable ATP omissions such as Andrey Rublev, Matteo Berrettini, and Carlos Alcaraz. The criteria for inclusion in this project is having a Wiki page and an externally verifiable birthday. As a result, I will be looking to include as many players currently in the WTA and ATP rankings as I can as well as those in older editions of the rankings that have somehow not been listed as notable birth so far.
The eventual goal of this project will see every Birth and Death mention come with an in-line citation, as such I have taken it upon myself to start adding citations for players I notice when adding new players. I have also begun to work backwards from the 31st of December to include in-line citations for absolutely every tennis player added to this project already.
What I ask of you is a few things:
Sources:
Rosa Vicens Mas | Player Stats & More – WTA Official (wtatennis.com)
Rosa Vicens Mas Tennis Player Profile | ITF (itftennis.com)
Kxcii ( talk) 21:46, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
I've noticed the heavy majority of the performance timelines contain non-
WCAG-complaint absence abbreviations, NH, NMS, to name a few. The contrast between the background and text color does not pass neither WCAG AA nor WCAG AAA. I've thus far come across 2 of such variants: style="background:#ececec; color:gray" |N/A
(dark gray) and style="background:#f0f1f4; color:#ccc" |N/A
(light gray). Replacing those with {{
n/a}} would solve the issue, either via AWB or other means.
I would not have raised this issue had I been apt in making the replacement myself, but still, awareness needs to be raised for broader reach and implement a new approach, wherein every subsequent perf. timeline made by an editor would use n/a instead of the aforementioned 2 contrast-lacking alternatives. I need others opinions on this matter to suggest how this should be addressed and dealt with. Qwerty284651 ( talk) 18:41, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
I would like to restructure the current WTA Tour sidebar so it closely mimics/matches the ATP Tour one. The problem is, the many WTA tournament categories are divided by eras: 1990–2008, 2009–2020,.., per name change, rather than just by categories: WTA 1000, 500, 250, etc. In 2021, the WTA followed in ATP Tour's footsteps of the naming conventions for their tournament categories, matching the aforementioned categories with the ATP ones, wherein it even updated the old tourn. categories with the newest names on its website. (example:
1990 WTA Tour)
The steps needed to execute this change are:
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My question is: Will this be a better improvement, practically and aesthetically, for the WTA Tour's sidebar? Hopefully, other editors @ ABC paulista, Letcord, Tennisedu, Sportsfan77777, Wolbo, Tennishistory1877, Dicklyon, and Loginnigol: will weigh on the matter so we can reach a common ground. The end goal is to make the sidebar more convenient for future readers, so it's more user-friendly and less jumbled up, straight to the point. Qwerty284651 ( talk) 17:17, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
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template that displays both on the same article or one at a time, which would probably be against
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@ Fyunck(click): Take your time with this one. It's a doozy.
I looked into the ATP & WTA's structures. This is what I found.
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The ATP Tour comprises
ATP Masters 1000,
ATP 500, and
ATP 250 and the
ATP Cup.
[1] The ATP also oversees the
ATP Challenger Tour,
[2] a level below the ATP Tour, and the
ATP Champions Tour for seniors. The
Grand Slam tournaments, the
Olympic tennis tournament, the
Davis Cup, and the entry-level
ITF World Tennis Tour do not fall under the purview of the ATP, but are overseen by the
International Tennis Federation (ITF) instead and the
International Olympic Committee (IOC) for the Olympics. In these events, however, ATP ranking points are awarded, with the exception of the Olympics. Players and doubles teams with the most ranking points (collected during the calendar year) play in the season-ending
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The ATP Tour comprises ATP Masters 1000, ATP 500, and ATP 250. The ATP also oversees the ATP Challenger Tour, a level below the ATP Tour, and the ATP Champions Tour for seniors. Grand Slam tournaments, a small portion of the Olympic tennis tournament, the Davis Cup, the Hopman Cup and the introductory level Futures tournaments do not fall under the auspices of the ATP, but are overseen by the ITF instead and the International Olympic Committee (IOC) for the Olympics. In these events, however, ATP ranking points are still awarded, with the exception of the Olympics and Hopman Cup. The four-week ITF Satellite tournaments were discontinued in 2007. Players and doubles teams with the most ranking points (collected during the calendar year) play in the season-ending ATP Finals, which, from 2000 to 2008, was run jointly with the International Tennis Federation (ITF). The details of the professional tennis tour are:
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WTA Tour articles are not worded the same as both ATP articles, but it's safe to say the WTA and WTA Tour are structured similarly to their ATP equivalents/counterparts.
Based off of the info above, I updated the ATP and WTA sidebars so they reflect the correct info (presuming what is written on those 4 Wiki articles is accurate) with some minor modifications and tweaks, mostly technical stuff.
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4. The Olympics are governed by both the ITF and IOC, but since I couldn't think of a way to place the Olympics under 2 diff. sections, I decided to have them under the IOC only. 5 Removed the photo in WTA sidebar to make up for the added length when the list is expanded. We can survive without the logo. |
Notes:
1. Placement and location of ATP, Hopman and United Cup within the sidebars will be determined eventually.
Good to know:
2. ATP v. 2 vs. v. 3: Should the ATP Challenger section be left as its section or be placec under the ATP Tour section?
3. Not sure, whether to have the sections be named ATP/WTA Tour or ATP/WTA. (second sections, after ITF)
* Small remark: There are predecessor articles for the ATP 500 and 250 main pages (namely International series gold and [[ATP_International_Series|International series]) as per my previous comment, which were never included in the ATP sidebar, the stats (1990-2008) from the old ones are copied to the latest articles, which indicates no need to have them listed in the ATP sidebar. Hence why I think the Defunct section should be removed, but If you want, I can leave it there.
→ Summary: ITF and ATP/WTA are 2 separate tennis governing bodies, 2 separate entities. ATP/WTA divide into ATP/WTA Tours, which comprise of: the Masters/1000s, 500, 250, Challengers. ITF sanctions the slams, Davis/Fed Cup and the ITF Futures.
References
Takes from all of this: This should paint a better picture of the raw structure of the ATP and WTA (and ATP and WTA Tours) AND the ITF and inform the casual reader, skimming/perusing the articles, of what is the rough layout of said Tours, which is the main goal. Qwerty284651 ( talk) 00:24, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
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We really see the ATP Cup differently and on different ends of the scale, but that's for another conversation on another day. Our browsers must be different since "Defunct tiers (1990–2020)" all fits on one line in Chrome. I would not have left it otherwise had I realized some browsers had an issue. Another quip since we are working on these... we have defunct tiers in the womens sidebar, why not the mens? Since they are for navigation shouldn't we also have defunct ATP International Series Gold and ATP International Series and Grand Prix Super Series so that both sidebars are consistent? Fyunck(click) ( talk) 18:51, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
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I suppose I could keep making little tweaks to my own perfect liking, but these look fine. They are very visually friendly, they are easily used for linkability, they are pretty close to the same so readers won't be confused in the least when checking out the men's or women's tours. You can't ask for much more. The only question mark will be if/when they officially drop the ATP Cup and officially add the United Cup. The ATP cup at that time may have to go in the defunct events. But I'm sold otherwise. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 07:04, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
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I was going over Iga Swiatek's career statistics article and realized we have two charts that are trivial data that mislead readers, and is likely original research. It's one thing to have charts that show wins of players who were ranked in the top 10 at the time of their meeting... that's fine and relevant. But a chart that shows wins over a No. 1 or No. 2 player when they were ranked far below that at the time? That is really trivial and useless info for our readers. It shows things like a win over No. 2 Vera Zvonareva, who at the time of their match was ranked 96th. No one cares about that data. We want to know who Swiatek beat in the top 10 not a player she beat who was last in the top 10 in 2012! I think these charts have no real value except to add trivial data to our tennis articles. I started this conversation on Swiatek's talk page but soon realized these charts are like weeds. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 19:46, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
The more I think about this, the more I feel these charts should only include actual ranking of the player Iga, and every other BLP this type of chart is included in, has beaten and leave it at that. If this means mass-cleanup, then some be it. I am in for the ride. Qwerty284651 ( talk) 08:40, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
I propose the following the 3 navboxes:
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Proposal 1: Sub-template
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Unnamelessness ( talk) 03:05, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
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Qwerty284651 (
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Long ago, our performance timelines had cities instead of tournaments, but that was changed by consensus as not accurate. Now our timelines must use the tournament name. Cities are not tournaments and I don't see why the tournament name is not used. It takes up less room than the date row. Common practice for years has been to use multiple navboxes yet here we are merging and tweaking... now would be the time to make them the best they can be. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 03:10, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
I can live with all kinds of mergings, it just seems a shame to not correct things to the actual tournament names. The title of the nav bar is tournaments, not cities, so readers would expect the tournament names. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 07:11, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
There should ne no reason we can't fix it all now and make the following:
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Okay. I've given a lot of thought over the past 10 days and decided to meet you half away. At the end of the day, it's what's the most suitable for the readers that's important and so I decided to put your @ Fyunck(click): proposal into consideration and suggest this as the potential middle-ground solution for the wta navboxes:
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Tell me what you think of it. Qwerty284651 ( talk) 04:16, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Storm Sanders#Requested move 6 December 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. — Mdaniels5757 ( talk • contribs) 00:55, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
I found this template Template:TennisMatch3 is used in the matches of 2023 United Cup#Final. In the second match, Musetti retired and Tiafoe won in the second set, but the 0 in the Musetti side was in bold. Is there somthing wrong in the template, or the editor used this template in an incorrect way? Regpath ( talk) 06:23, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
I first prod'd and now nominated Medvedev–Tsitsipas rivalry for deletion. See the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Medvedev–Tsitsipas rivalry. Thanks. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 20:10, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
More input is needed for the name of the following sections, used at 4 related tennis articles:
The issue is @ ForzaUV: is leaning more towards List of champions, which has been present for a while now. Whereas, I prefer the Most titles won by player, which fits more the scope of the section itself.
The question here is which name should we go with, which would be applied across all 4 pages. Qwerty284651 ( talk) 23:53, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
"It has to be simple"Masters titles leaders and WTA 1000 titles leaders are not simple enough for you? ForzaUV ( talk) 17:36, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
I see this discussion is getting out of hand. All because of a simple section's name. I say we vote for one of the following options:
Is it okay if I file a BRFA to replace with WTA Tier I Event(s) → WTA Tier I tournaments? Will this, in any way, violate WP:NOTBROKEN and WP:AWBRULES? Qwerty284651 ( talk) 11:11, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
Hi all. Because of the comment here and resulting AfD nomination, I'm asking here about some other tennis topics I might want to write articles about (some of which the WikiProject guidelines don't directly address) before starting to work on them.
Pinging @ Fyunck(click), but I'd appreciate comments from anyone. In particular I'd like some input on what may make a doubles pairing notable (currently the only ones on Wikipedia are Bryan–Bryan, Williams–Williams, and Woodbridge–Woodforde). I hope the ones listed above are clear-cut inclusions – sufficient coverage should exist for all of them, though I haven't started searching all that much. But how "great" (as the advice on tennis rivalries says), successful, or prolific might a team need to be to merit inclusion? What of (to pick kind of randomly) Huber–Black (4 major wins, 3 more finals, 2 WTA Finals wins), Knowles–Nestor (3 major wins, 6 more finals, 1 ATP Finals win), or Nestor–Zimonjić (3 major wins, 2 more finals, 2 ATP Finals wins)? More recently, Mladenovic–Babos (4 major wins, 3 more finals, 2 WTA Finals wins), Ram–Salisbury (3 major wins, 1 more final, 1 ATP Finals win), or Paes–Hingis (4 major wins)? Koolhof–Skupski (ranked No. 1, but certainly too soon)? Much-publicized lately Gauff–Pegula (1 major final) or Kyrgios–Kokkinakis (1 major win)? Sakkari–Tsitsipas (would be very fun to write about their results at Olympics, Hopman, United Cup)?
Also open to suggestions for how to format these titles. Category:Sports duos would suggest Barbora Krejčíková and Kateřina Siniaková (similar to this page whose individual members have their own articles). But I'm leaning toward Krejčíková–Siniaková in more of this style (though ofc MOS:BOLDAVOID applies) or to go bulky like Barbora Krejčíková–Kateřina Siniaková partnership or doubles team. Thanks in advance for your thoughts, and also for any good sources on particular articles that anyone might recommend me to seek out. Hameltion ( talk, contribs) 21:38, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
Since there aren't likely to be doubles teams in a different sport with the same player names it's probably not absolutely needed in the title, but I was just throwing it out therewhat did you exactly mean by this? Didn't quite understand. Qwerty284651 ( talk) 01:20, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
@ Hameltion, for reliable sources always check out the 4 majors official websites, both tour's official websites, any major newspaper publisher (new york times, washington post, reuters, eurosport, etc.), for more precise search engine searches use Boolean operators: ( [10], [11], [12]), *for tournament edition articles use the World of Tennis almanacs (up to 2000) and/or newspaper articles from e.g. Newspapers.com and pons.eu (which is great for the Czech tandem's upcoming page for translating articles with great accuracy, in this case, from Czech to English and vice versa) as well as books/publications. For the older most notable rivalries, Court-King and others, I know @ Fyunck(click):, should know where to find good, reliable sources, such as books and publications. Qwerty284651 ( talk) 23:13, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
@ Hamelton:, My 2 cents on the matter, in all but the women's singles things on top of the rankings would have been much different had Wimby not been denied by ATP/WTA governing bodies to distribute ranking points to participating players. (battle for mid-season and year-end no. 1 between: Djokovic and Alcaraz in m. singles, top 3 teams in m. doubles, the Czech duo, Mertens and Gauf in w. doubles). Lack of match practice and the stress caused by that to banned players...the natural shift that would have occurred in the rankings, not just the top 10, top 5 had Wimby been allowed to give out points and everything in between. Some food for thought when you will be writing that article. Qwerty284651 ( talk) 23:46, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
For yours really, I've been trying to get somewhat wiser on the different types of hard courts that exist(ed) on the ATP and WTA tours, but our coverage is not really helpful IMHO. Our articles focus on distinguishing the brands of hard courts, but are really unclear to the lay reader on the types of this surface. The situation isn't helped by a change of hard court brand or supplierbeing incorrectly reported here as change of hard court type. This happened for instance when the Australian Open changed their supplier to GreenSet a couple of years ago. This was mistaken as a change of type, even though Tennis Australia clearly stated in their announcement of GreenSet that neither color nor surface would change. The confusion is only made worse by articles on tennis tournaments including brands rather than types in their infoboxes. Lastly, the articles on brands like Rebound Ace, Plexicushion or DecoTurf aren't very clear as to the types of hard courts they are. The worst example is Laykold (currently used by the US Open) however, which had to be purged of marketing stuff copied from their site and is now reduced to a stub that does little to explain what it is. Moreover, according to their site they have different types of hard courts, but I can't find which exact one is used for the grand slam tournament in New York. T v x1 01:48, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
You may be interested in this village pump discussion on draftifiying nearly a thousand Olympians. BeanieFan11 ( talk) 14:28, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
Is United Cup counted as a tournament participation for purposes of the row in performance timeline which lists the total number of tournaments a player has participated in overall and in 2023? It looks like editors aren't counting it, but I don't know if that's the agreed upon practice or it's just a matter of not fully updating the timelines. I would suggest not including it, but I don't have a strong opinion. JamesAM ( talk) 01:38, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
Before I open a potential can of worms at WT:NSPORTS, I'd like some feedback on the following:
Tennis is one of the few sports to have achieved parity between the sexes in terms of coverage and prize money, and as such our guidelines treat Men's and Women's tennis equally. Currently our guidelines state that
Significant coverage is likely to existfor winners ofany of the ATP Challenger tournamentsorany of the ITF Women's $50,000–$100,000+ tournaments; the women's line was setbased on the lowest payout for a men's challenger tournament in the same year. With the 2023 season, a change to the Women's 2nd tier has resulted in a new category of W40 tournaments (with $40,000 prize money) that fall just below the line for Women's tournaments, but at the same time, the ATP organises challenger tournaments that also pay out $40,000 in prize money. I think this inconsistency should be rectified.As the category is new, I tested this line with Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Ma_Yexin, which closed as No consensus. The other 7 players who have won a W40 without meeting any other NTENNIS citeria are: Zeynep Sönmez, Saki Imamura, Sakura Hosogi, Céline Naef, Sofia Sewing, Darja Semeņistaja and Matilde Jorge.
There are 3 options on the table to deal with this:
- A: Do nothing.
- B: Lower the Women's prize money requirement to $40k and include W40 tournaments in NTENNIS.
- C: Add an ATP Challenger prize money requirement of $50,000 from 2008 (to match the current Women's guideline) and remove the lowest value Challengers from NTENNIS.
A and B would only affect the 8 players above right now, I haven't evaluated how many players would be affected by option C as there have been many Men's challenger tournaments since with prize money less than $50,000 between 2008 and now. Iffy★ Chat -- 14:39, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
Zarina Diyas has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Onegreatjoke ( talk) 20:38, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
Does this project have some guidelines on Tournament articles? I have seen several challenger tournaments that more or less are a mirror page and mainly unsourced other than with a general reference to a database/mirrorpage. Others just have a source to the ATP ranking as the only source such such as this one. Here, here and here are others, all from the same editor. I have approached Adamtt9 at their talk page, but no answer yet. The articles probably also fail WP:NOTSTATS. I have seen they are a member of Wikiproject Tennis, so maybe you can help me to understand. Paradise Chronicle ( talk) 10:35, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
I thought this was sign sealed and delivered at the project but I'm running into pushback on "some" player profiles. It seems like an editor wants to include nationality in matches where none existed per the sources. For instance at Taylor Fritz career statistics they want to include Rublev's Russian flag for 2022 Indian Wells and Cincinnati masters events. He played under NO nation for those events. Same with Jack Sinner. This seemed like an easy housekeeping fix but I'm getting messages telling me to stop from editor WhySoSerious?. They say it hurts the continuity in some way that I can't fathom. Do we just correct these results to their ATP and WTA sources because if we leave them unchanged it would be WP:OR without those sources to back it up. This seems like an easy peezy thing but then I guess nothing is cut and dry anymore. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 22:01, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
Please join in the move discussion of athlete Laslo Đere → Laslo Djere at Talk:Laslo Đere. Thanks. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 23:46, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
I'm wondering why has it been a tradition to make articles such as 2022 Billie Jean King Cup Europe/Africa Zone Group II – Pool A and 2022 Billie Jean King Cup Europe/Africa Zone Group II – Pool B followed by the 2022 Billie Jean King Cup Europe/Africa Zone Group II – Play-offs when they all take place at the same place during 1 event. Couldn't we just merge these 3 into 1 article 2022 Billie Jean King Cup Europe/Africa Zone Group II?
We've apparently lost some tennis fans as 2023 only has 2023 Billie Jean King Cup Europe/Africa Zone Group I – Pool A (redirected at first) 2023 Billie Jean King Cup Europe/Africa Zone Group I – Pool B (nominated for deletion). But they still are notable events, agree/disagree? Pelmeen10 ( talk) 23:11, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
Hello I cannot find any newspaper sources at British Newspaper Archive and Newspaper Archive via wikipedia library from 1972 until 1994 when this tournament was staged under the official name Madrid Tennis Grand Prix! I can find a lots of references to a tournament called the Madrid Open between those dates with the sponsorship names of Trofeo Melia and Trofeo Gillette. The history of that tournament also goes back before 1972 known as the Madrid International from 1971 to 1968, the Puerta de Hierro International or sometimes called the Puerta de Hierro Madrid International from 1967 to 1950 played at the Real Club de la Puerta de Hierro. The precursor event to the latter being the Championship of Madrid from 1905 to 1915 also played at the Real Club de la Puerta de Hierro. The first mens event ended in 1996 and the women's in 2003. Now we have a men's only Madrid Open (tennis) from 2002 now an ATP 1000 event. Unless someone can shed light on why the Madrid Tennis Grand Prix is not called the Madrid Open I propose moving the article to Madrid Open (1972-2003) like whats been done here with this article Navy Board and Navy Board (1964-present) This will allow me to merge M & W articles into one page and , then redirect the others. Navops47 ( talk) 09:05, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Kyle Spencer#Requested move 30 May 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. UtherSRG (talk) 19:23, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
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Hello. Why are these articles named differently in Davis Cup/Billie Jean King Cup and Hopman Cup? Example: Canada.
Davis: Canada Davis Cup team
BJKC: Canada Billie Jean King Cup team
Hopman Cup: Canada at the Hopman Cup
Why isn't Canada called "Canada Hopman Cup team" in the Hopman Cup or the other two not titled "Canada at the [tournament title]"? Rafaelfdc ( talk) 07:24, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
(I'm not very familiar with this WikiProject community, so please ping others if you think the users might be interested in this) Hi everybody, as you can see, the 2023 ITF Women's World Tennis Tour (January–March) is often not updated, and not much editors still actively update it now. This is because these lists' content is often unimportant, e.g. W15 tournaments where almost no one had heard about the winner. So here are my suggestions:
1. Remove all W25/W15 tournaments / only include finalists
2. Only include W40 semi-finalists
3. Keep the rest (i.e. W60, W80, W100)
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It has come to my attention that some of our yearly tour charts are being changed. For good or ill is the question as it's a minor issue. It would affect charts back to about 1970 so a 100 or so charts men's and women's. I guess it could be used as precedent for other charts but let's look at these charts to see where the Tennis Project sits.
Background: A year or so ago we had an rfc that determined that within titles, the hyphen/ndash is a separator that begins a new sentence structure, but that it would follow MOS capitalization in sentence case after the ndash. Discussions were everywhere but a big one was right here. This changed all of our thousands of articles from the style 1990 Wimbledon – Mixed Doubles to 1990 Wimbledon – Mixed doubles. Done deal there. We also discussed in the same time period the fact right here that it specifically affected the 2021 WTA Tour article in that in the tournament column we had in the majors, Singles–Doubles–Mixed Doubles, and that those needed to be changed to Singles–Doubles–Mixed doubles, or to drop the lower case doubles and just call it Mixed. Done deal, we went with only Singles–Doubles–Mixed for our articles. Not all have changed but it's the rule we go by. In that same chart column we also show the court type as Grass or Hard, or Clay (or Carpet or Wood). We never discussed the court type capitalization afaik. We just left them as is. Most are just like the 2023 ATP Tour where we see Hard sandwiched in between money and draw size between the ndashes: $642,735 – Hard – 32S/16Q/24D. But many have now been changed in the last week to $115,000 – hard – 32S/16D as in 1988 Grand Prix (tennis).
I'm not sure which way we want it... to follow what we do with Singles–Doubles–Mixed or to change the surface only to lower case. It matters for consistency so we know whether to change these 100 or so articles to lower case or whether to revert the week-old changes to some articles back to upper case. I did this informally, but any thoughts? Fyunck(click) ( talk) 22:43, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
Let's vote. What is you preference on having the surfaces listed with the colors?
I vote to keep. Qwerty284651 ( talk) 20:22, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
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The results of Wimbledon are nominated for the Main page. The discussion is here. Articles to be updated are Carlos Alcaraz, Marketa Vondrousova and Wimbledon. Last time not even the grand slam record of Djokovic was blurbed for the French Open due to quality concerns. I hope a victory of the lowest ranked Wimbledon player will make it and I believe editors of the Tennis project could help in this aim. Paradise Chronicle ( talk) 20:39, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
We seem to have an editor that wants things both ways, and I disagree. We have for years made sure we kept "greatest player of all-time" out of articles like Federer and Nadal and Graf and Wills and Lenglen and and Connelly, and Laver, etc. Those are water-cooler sayings not worthy of an encyclopedia. This has been discussed many times. "One of the greatest" is fine and easily sourcable. Even "considered by some to be the greatest of all-time" while in my opinion over the top for an encyclopedia, can at least be easily sourced for some players. Someone has inserted first "widely considered the greatest" and now "considered by many the greatest" into the Djokovic article. I can't get them to see the issue and can of worms they open up with that. If we are now going to start allowing the terms then we need to put the Nadal, Federer, Graf, Wills, stuff back in that we had removed years ago. Numbers are not the only criteria for greatest... otherwise Roy Emerson would have been thought of as the greatest until Federer came along. He was not though. And for decades many had though Pancho Gonzales as the greatest, and many still look at Laver with two Grand Slams as easily the greatest. Heck Don Budges wone a grand slam and 6 majors in a row before leaving for the pros... heck he must be the greatest. We need to nip this before the articles start getting that resort pamphlet feel, or we need to open it up for everything again. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 04:18, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
Juan Martín del Potro has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 ( talk) 12:59, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
I'm not 100% what's going on with the article, but it's like someones PR team has gone over it. The user has only ever edited that page since March, I'm not 100% where it just needs to be properly wikified. YellowStahh ( talk) 20:06, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
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Andy Murray has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Thebiguglyalien ( talk) 07:06, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
The entry for NK has been flagged for review/shorten/update/consolidate. At present it seems to be overly concerned with fines, failures, perceived fake injuries, withdrawals...all the negative stuff with no balance about the contribution he has/is making to the sport. A number of us have tried to balance this with more recent articles and input but have been rejected. We believe that as NK has a prominent place in the sport - for so many reasons - he should be fairly represented with the most recent articles cited. At present there is a lot of messy repetition and detail, often using online tabloids as resources. I have a list of useful articles and cover stories from 2023 which would be of interest to WP readers but can't get the entry to use them. Anyone know how to get started? SueoftheAntipodes ( talk) 16:42, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
I thought this was a done deal back in this 2022 RFC but obviously not. A handful of editors did another rfc with no sports projects input at all. And it's being challenged because we just noticed it. This could affect almost every single tennis and Olympic article we have, and goodness know how many other sports. Some may have already been moved it you weren't watching the article. And not just the article titles will be affected but all the player bios that link to the articles. Sure the links would be piped to the right place if thousands of articles moved, but if the wording in a bio still said 2023 Wimbledon Championships – Men's singles or Swimming at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Men's 200 metre backstroke that would likely need to be changed by hand. There is also talk of removing the ndash completely.
Perhaps this is what sports projects want and perhaps not. Either way I certainly don't want projects ill-informed as the last RfC was handled. Express your thoughts at the following rfc. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 20:28, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
Dear members of WikiProject Tennis,
there is an active discussion going on about BLP's career statistics chart layout here. I cordially invite you to join the discussion and share your opinion on the 16 items discussed and help us reach a sound and clear conclusion on the matter to enable visitors and readers of tennis articles be given the best version of BLP's statistics that we possibly can.
Pinging the current contributors, involved in the discussion. @ Fyunck(click), JamesAndersoon, and Wolbo:.
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Hello!
As part of my work with Beutler Ink, I've been asked by the family of Tristan Boyer to explore whether he qualifies for a Wikipedia article. Typically, I'd submit a draft for review at articles for creation. Because I have a conflict of interest, I will not publish an article directly. In this case, I thought that I would seek input from editors here first on whether he qualifies under WP:NTENNIS? It looks to me like he's right at the threshold of several of the criteria, and I see his name pops up in a good deal of Wikipedia articles about tennis tournaments, such as the 2023 Pan American Games and the 2023 Antofagasta Challenger – Singles. Here are all the current redlinks for his name. I'm hoping that folks here will weigh in with their thoughts on his notability. I'd also like to note that I am not associated with this draft that was recently submitted to AfC.
I can provide additional links if that would be helpful to review, or if editors think he's likely notable, I am happy to put together a draft using the tennis player article format.
Cheers! BINK Robin ( talk) 18:15, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
Marc Pepin has a five-decade history and has been inducted into our provincial sports hall of fame. He is a highly ranked player on the Senior Tour. I have written and submitted a draft article but it keeps getting rejected. Reading between the lines it seems to be for sources. My sources are CBC News articles, Government of New Brunswick, Canada sources and Sports Hall of Fame. All independant and published. What more can Wikipedia want? I'm looking for guidance from the group. Thank you for your time. /info/en/?search=Draft:Marc_Pepin Todio64 ( talk) 22:17, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
Federer–Nadal rivalry has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Hog Farm Talk 23:35, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
Hello to everyone! I wondering can we provide some better pictures for some significant former players. For instance, Justine Henin is one of the most successful female tennis player, but she hasn't got any proper image. For me is interesting that there is no photo of her holding any title, but she has won some major, just as French Open five times. I'm sorry if this is not proper place to leave this message, but I need to spread this request as far as possible. I hope so we can do something. Also, e.g. there is some former player, Julie Halard-Decugis, that I have never heard about, but she is former number 1 doubles player, Grand Slam doubles champion and top 10 singles player and she hasn't got even one photo. The list is big. JamesAndersoon ( talk) 21:54, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
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The situation. From 1 March 2022 the ATP/WTA/ITF issued a statement saying "Players from Russia and Belarus will continue to be allowed to compete in international tennis events as individuals. However, they will not compete under the name or flag of Russia or Belarus until further notice." Two links: ITF Here, and WTA Here. We have followed this lead and sources at Wikipedia and removed Russia/Belarus nationality from our players at international events since 1 March 2022. Some here also want to include the flag/nationality removal here on our ranking charts also. No sourced statements have said to do so. However the ATP and WTA websites also removed the nationalities from rankings. Outside sources other than those tennis bodies are mixed, but then other sources are also mixed on nationality removal from tournaments. Examples, here, and here, and here, and here. Example of ESPN using nationality even in tournaments.
We would tend to go with the sourced charts of the ATP and WTA websites, but there is a big problem on this issue with reliability there. The WTA/ATP websites removed all nationalities/flags from all Russia/Belarus players from all times in history... a blanket removal. Players long since retired are included. WTA player Dinara Safina hasn't played in a decade... no nationality. Same with Elena Dementieva and 1990s player Yevgeny Kafelnikov. No flags/nationalities in any tournament they played in or in any capacity on their websites. We certainly are not going to start removing nationalities from these players as the tennis governing bodies seem to be telling us to do on their websites. Their software on this issue seems to be faulty in determining what to do or they were lazy and did a blanket removal. Can we use them for our rankings not knowing if it is faulty/limited software issues or if they really mean to remove the nationalities from rankings as well? If so should we also follow them in removing retired player nationalities from years ago? This is our dilemma at Tennis Project since it affects any article with rankings charts.
We had a previous RfC on this a year ago with no opposition to keeping flags, but only three people participated. Since we have two current editors now wanting the nationalities removed I thought it best to rehash and see if opinions have changed. I'm not starting with an RfC since that includes all editors from society, sports, and culture, and this is really a tennis chart only issue. I think the Tennis Project can handle this plus we don't want to bump up against WP:RFCBEFORE.
That's our pickle. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 07:53, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
(A) Keep flags or (B) Remove flags
Aside from the change regarding the points distribution, the points breakdown slots would also expand from 16 to 18 (excluding year-end championship). The new system has already implemented on 1 January 2024, according to the latest official WTA rankings, which has a lot of moves compared to the year-end 2023. Unnamelessness ( talk) 05:43, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
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In all yearly tennis events we describe the most important aspect first. Who won the yearly event, the edition and what it is. WE do that with [ [13]], US Open, etc. There were multiple complaints about this by readers throughout the years here. No sport mentioned, no winners at the top, finals brackets buried. Sure in the main article at United Cup where it's not a yearly article it would be different, but this is for our readers. You come to the page and first and foremost you want to know the winner of the 2023 edition, and in the body you want to see the final bracket, just like all other tennis articles here. The only reason anything else would go up top is that this is the very first edition, but then its opening lead would be different than all other editions. It seems like readers heading to 2023 United Cup first and foremost want to know who won that year. Then you tell us the edition, the fact you get ranking points, etc. Just like we do at the 2024 United Cup or 2023 Davis Cup. This has been copied from Talk:2023 United Cup to get more eyes on it. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 18:13, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
From 2024 ITF recategorized its tournaments the W25 --> W35 the W40 --> W50 the W60 --> W75 and terminate W80 category.
Until now, this has also been the was the ITF tournaments key:
Category |
W100 tournaments |
W80 tournaments |
W60 tournaments |
W40 tournaments |
W25 tournaments |
W15 tournaments |
What will be the new color scheme? Sczipo ( talk) 08:13, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
WTA 1000 season articles all end with "...tournaments". Only the 2023 ATP Masters 1000 page has "tournaments" at the end of the title. Do we match what the WTA articles have or remove tournaments from the one ATP Masters season article? Qwerty284651 ( talk) 19:32, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
A title could be done that way but I'm not sure it's worth it.So, you don't want "tournaments" added to end of each yearly article then? Qwerty284651 ( talk) 11:58, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
See this change for 2023 page and give me your opinion on it. Qwerty284651 ( talk) 04:50, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
Good afternoon, I have put in a move request for Yulia Starodubtseva as she is listed as Yuliia in most sources, there is a move discussion on Talk:Yulia Starodubtseva as well as my opening argument, as its moving slow I am hoping bringing the projects attention to it can move it along. YellowStahh ( talk) 19:25, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
Hello I am currently drafting a 1967 men's tennis season here: User:Navops47/sandbox/Season and I am having a technical issue with the January section of the calendar. I cant seem to align the tournaments showing for week beginning 9 Jan their should be 4 events showing ive put in rowspan 8 but the Tasmanian Championships wont show I've tried correcting it a few times but can't :( I would appreciate any help from anyone to correct the error im not seeing many thanks. Navops47 ( talk) 05:56, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
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I am pinging @ Fyunck(click), ForzaUV, and Krmohan:, the original contributors to the WTA 1000 tables' current design and layout. Not sure Forza will respond as he's been inactive for almost a year. Fyunck helped with the tables design before both stat pages were even created.
With BOTH Dubai (Dubai Open) and Doha (Qatar Open) being added as WTA 1000 events next year, 10 WTA 1000 events are scheduled to take place in 2024 for the first time since 2007. Other notable changes: Wuhan is coming back and will be played AFTER Beijing as the last, 10th, event. [1] [2]
This mainly affects 3 pages: WTA 1000 and its corresponding singles and doubles statistics pages. Both stat pages have "Champions by year" sections listing all the winners 1990-Present in 2 tables: WTA Tier I (1990-2008) and WTA Premier Mandatory/5/1000 (2009-). The first table has 10 tournament columns, because between 2003–2007 San Diego took place, which contributed to there being 10x WTA Tier I events in a year. Whereas the 2nd table has only 9 tournament columns.
My question is: do we create a 3rd table to accommodate for that extra tournament OR expand the current 2nd table to list both Dubai and Doha in separate columns? Or maybe some other solution that someone comes up with.
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Qwerty284651 ( talk) 19:38, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
Please comment Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_February_14#Category:American_tennis_coaches_by_state regarding this tennis-related discussion.-- User:Namiba 18:47, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
Hi all. User:Marcric and I have a disagreement over how to present the titles for Kalinskaya on her infobox. For doubles, based on my interpretation of Template:Infobox tennis biography, which says Singles and Doubles titles, include only titles won on the WTA (women) or the ATP (men) Tour, not the ITF circuit (the tier below), this should simply state '3' as she has won 3 titles at the WTA tour level, and my understanding is that these supersede her WTA Challenger, ITF and junior titles that she may have won. For example, I note that most GA articles don't bother listing ITF or Challenger titles once the player has reached the highest level: Simona Halep, Belinda Bencic, Sofia Kenin, Dayana Yastremska. In fact, with Halep, we don't even bother with the ITF statistics at Simona Halep career statistics, even though we know that she won many at that level in her early days. Same with Beatriz Haddad Maia and Laura Siegemund, both of whom played on the ITF tour for years but we only need to record their WTA titles.
I also think that her singles infobox should just state '1 WTA Challenger' so that it is in line with Kateryna Baindl, Irina Khromacheva and other players whose highest honour is a WTA Challenger singles title and when she inevitably wins a WTA Tour level event, it should just be changed to '1' to be consistent with every other tennis article. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 13:45, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
Hi All, I'm just trying to implement a pattern I have used in Ana Bogdan's article. If I'm in the wrong way, just tell me, explain the reasons and point the pattern I shoul use, because at this date, each article uses a different pattern... -- MarcRic::Ruby ( talk) 14:19, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
Ah, now I get it: so the "pattern" varies, according to titles and country of the player. From now on, I will just stop updating player infoboxes. Regards. -- MarcRic::Ruby ( talk) 15:01, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
Hi all. User:Marcric and I have a disagreement over how to present the titles for Kalinskaya on her infobox. For doubles, based on my interpretation of Template:Infobox tennis biography, which says Singles and Doubles titles, include only titles won on the WTA (women) or the ATP (men) Tour, not the ITF circuit (the tier below), this should simply state '3' as she has won 3 titles at the WTA tour level, and my understanding is that these supersede her WTA Challenger, ITF and junior titles that she may have won. For example, I note that most GA articles don't bother listing ITF or Challenger titles once the player has reached the highest level: Simona Halep, Belinda Bencic, Sofia Kenin, Dayana Yastremska. In fact, with Halep, we don't even bother with the ITF statistics at Simona Halep career statistics, even though we know that she won many at that level in her early days. Same with Beatriz Haddad Maia and Laura Siegemund, both of whom played on the ITF tour for years but we only need to record their WTA titles.
I also think that her singles infobox should just state '1 WTA Challenger' so that it is in line with Kateryna Baindl, Irina Khromacheva and other players whose highest honour is a WTA Challenger singles title and when she inevitably wins a WTA Tour level event, it should just be changed to '1' to be consistent with every other tennis article. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 13:45, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
Hi All, I'm just trying to implement a pattern I have used in Ana Bogdan's article. If I'm in the wrong way, just tell me, explain the reasons and point the pattern I shoul use, because at this date, each article uses a different pattern... -- MarcRic::Ruby ( talk) 14:19, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
Ah, now I get it: so the "pattern" varies, according to titles and country of the player. From now on, I will just stop updating player infoboxes. Regards. -- MarcRic::Ruby ( talk) 15:01, 24 February 2024 (UTC)