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Is that part of COPYVIO, or something else? - Jack Sebastian ( talk) 17:02, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
As this deprives the company making the product of profits they would be able to generate over a new episode, it feels like theft to print the episode summary here.You have tried to push this point before. Please do not forum shop. It is entirely irrelevant. What is relevant is whether the plot can be verified. If it is available for early viewing on the app, then it is available for verification. -- Izno ( talk) 17:41, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
The specific edit which has spurred this is being discussed on the
Titans talk page. The latest episode of
Titans was released on pay site
DC Universe, and an editor wrote a summary. Jack Sebastian is under the impression that being behind a paywall makes the plot summary unverifiable, and would rather we wait for online reviews. That is not a thing. Also, his above concerns about interfering with the profit-making ability of a show when we post details ahead of general broadcast
are, well, ridiculous. Release on the DC Universe site is general broadcast, and we don't concern ourselves with spoilers or "profit-making ability". Masem, I'm assuming that when you talk about the notability of episodes, you mean as related to creating individual articles for them, not adding summaries to episode lists.—
TAnthony
Talk 19:48, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
Some reliable sources may not be easily accessible. For example, an online source may require payment, and a print-only source may be available only in university libraries. Rare historical sources may even be available only in special museum collections and archives. Do not reject reliable sources just because they are difficult or costly to access. If you have trouble accessing a source, others may be able to do so on your behalf (see WikiProject Resource Exchange).— TAnthony Talk 21:02, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
Happy editing! --- Another Believer ( Talk) 01:05, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
Charmed (2018 TV series) has been split into season articles and a list of episodes article again. Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television/Archive 29#Television article splitting. I still don't think anything has changed significantly that would warrant splitting into season articles and a list of episodes page yet. Based on MOS:TVSPLIT and Wikipedia:Article splitting (television), WP:SPLIT, WP:SUMMARY, WP:SPINOUT, WP:LENGTH still apply. Thoughts? — YoungForever (talk) 14:08, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
Comments are invited at Talk:Police procedural#Merger proposal. Thanks, Meticulo ( talk) 06:55, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
The term "segments" seems to get used a lot in kids TV programs and I've never really understood it. Now, somebody keeps adding the term to Melissa & Joey which is obviously not a kids' program. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] I fail to see how 156 segments relates to 104 epiosdes. Is this just pure vandalism or is there some site that uses the term? -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 13:16, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
Melissa & Joey did not have "segments", I watched the TV series when it was still airing new episodes. Also, I don't it is appropriate to include the number of segments on the Infobox television as TV series go by number of episodes rather than segments. Segments are within an episode. — YoungForever (talk) 17:33, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
As per the discussion over at Talk:Smallville#Cast Section Bloat isn't it about time a rule was set for when the infobox becomes to full or cluttered with cast that we instead link the cast to a seperate header or article. 10 cast? 15? 20? Just an idea so there is more consistency on all televsion articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.98.183.174 ( talk) 17:09, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
A heads up, I've updated the {{ Television ratings graph}} template to use Template:Graph:Chart, which can be viewed on mobile, instead of the deprecated (or soon to be) previous method of graphing, which had a lot of issues. I've also updated {{ Series overview}} to support and create tables for multi-series franchises (such as the table at Arrowverse). If my changes have caused any errors, please let me know! Cheers. -- / Alex/ 21 11:38, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
Hi
I have added a section as the whole episode was about Wikipedia and bad actor influence.
The episode is here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m00091w2/click-short-edition-05102019
I am unsure if non-UK viewers will be able to watch it?
Can someone go and check the article for NPOV please? :¬)
Thanks Chaosdruid ( talk) 14:13, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
The FFD discussion about " File:SteveRhoadesBoresTheCourt.jpg" has been ongoing for 30 days since the nomination. I invite you for input in effort to improve the consensus. George Ho ( talk) 04:58, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
After requesting for
Big Brother 20 (American season) and
Big Brother 21 (American season) to be assessed and after they both received C class status, I asked how they could be upgraded further.
Bilorv informed me that almost no reality television articles on Wikipedia actually conform to our MOS
and that the "Format", "HouseGuests", "Episodes" and "Voting history" might all seem sensible ideas individually, but together they form a collection of indiscriminate information about the show which is way overboard
(See full discussion at
Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Television/Assessment#Big Brother 21 (American season)). Bilorv brought up problems with the
structure of season articles and how it hasn't been updated since 2007. He mentioned, "My worry is that 2007 precedent is not a sufficient basis for our 2019 article quality scheme
," which I agree with.
The aim of this discussion is whether we should use, abandon, or rewrite Wikipedia:WikiProject Big Brother/Structure of series or season articles. Jayab 314 16:33, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
@ Masem, Bilorv, and Alucard 16: I'm pretty sure I fixed everything that was brough up in this discussion. If I missed anything let me know. Also, if you don't mind, can someone please take a look at the article and maybe give feedback on it. Thanks! Jayab 314 01:22, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
Hey all. I'm considering deprecating the |infoheader=
parameter from the {{
Series overview}} template. Currently, we currently use the parameter by using the code
{{Series overview |infoheader=Ratings |infoA=Average viewers |infoB=Rank
and {{Series overview |infoheader=Average viewers
to generate
Season | Episodes | Originally aired | Average viewers | Rank | ||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
First aired | Last aired |
Season | Episodes | Originally aired | ||
---|---|---|---|---|
First aired | Last aired |
respectively. The information header is forgone when there's only one column of information (but we still have to use |infoheader=
instead of |infoA=
), and displayed when there's two or more columns (requiring us to use |infoheader=
, |infoA=
, |infoB=
, etc). This can become buggy when an editor uses |infoheader=
and |infoA=
together when there's only one column, by using
{{Series overview |infoheader=Ratings |infoA=Average viewers
which generates the faulty
Season | Episodes | Originally aired | Average viewers | ||
---|---|---|---|---|---|
First aired | Last aired |
However, (and the following scenarios are testcases from a sandbox), we can use
{{Series overview |infoA=Average viewers |infoB=Rank
and {{Series overview |infoA=Average viewers
to generate
Season | Episodes | Originally aired | Average viewers | Rank | ||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
First aired | Last aired |
Season | Episodes | Originally aired | Average viewers | ||
---|---|---|---|---|---|
First aired | Last aired |
respectively, which provides less confusion of which parameters to include and exclude, by just using |infoA=
through |infoZ=
, and provides a more uniform layout when taking into consideration the number of information cells. It also allows us to include information columns that may not have any relation to each other, and thus no need for a confusing information header. Furthermore, it also allows the new multi-series franchise series overviews to have extra information columns without a header such as "Series information", given that the whole overview is information about the series (this is the same scenario as the previous sentence: information columns that may not have any relation and no confusing/redundant information header), as seen
Series | Season | Episodes | Originally aired | Showrunner(s) | Status | ||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
First aired | Last aired |
Would there be any opposition to this, or any further comments or concerns? Let me know! Cheers. -- / Alex/ 21 07:16, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
|infoheader=
, there will be no functionality lost because there is still |infoA=
through |infoZ=
? I wouldn'd mind. I'll say though that it took me while to figure out a working parameter solution for the current system when a season was split into parts, and something should still work in such a situation after you made your prosed edits. (We met when you edited
List of Money Heist episodes.) –
sgeureka
t•
c 10:24, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
|infoheader=
will simply remove the need for a header above the information cells, allowing them to stand alone and not cause any breakages or confusion on what parameters should or shouldn't be included. The article
List of Money Heist episodes won't be affected at all by the proposed deprecation, as the parts column uses the |aux=
parameters rather than the |info=
parameters; several articles now use those parameters for "Part" numbers, including
The Ranch (TV series). -- /
Alex/
21 10:34, 13 October 2019 (UTC)Catch 21, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Ten Pound Hammer • ( What did I screw up now?) 03:15, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
There is a discussion at
Talk:One-Punch_Man#End_date_and_Season_3 regarding the last_aired
parameter of {{
Infobox television}} and the language in the template's documentation as well as
WP:TVPRESENT. Please join the discussion.
EvergreenFir
(talk) 19:38, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
last_aired
from "present" to {{ end date}}. Sk8erPrince feels that this should not be the case and, if I understand correctly, that after any season ends that date should be used for the
last_aired
parameter until a new season begins.
Blue Pumpkin Pie noted that
WP:ANIME has separate rules and I do now see that
Template:Infobox_animanga/Video has different documentation for this. Perhaps this whole point is moot, but now I find it odd that we treat one type of TV series differently from the rest.
EvergreenFir
(talk) 23:48, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
In order to limit the risk to the companies on these committees, each season is planned out at only a finite 11-13 episodes. If the show is a hit, additional seasons can be ordered down the line. If the show tanks, each member of the committee is only out for the cost of a single season -- and often that cost can be made up through international rights sales, home video, and whatever small number of merchandise items managed to get released.
@ AussieLegend: If that is true, then there is no reason to have this discussion. One-Punch Man isn't using that template. It's using {{ Infobox animanga}}. Blue Pumpkin Pie ( talk) 15:02, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
The first air date of the series's last episode on its original Japanese network. Only insert the last episode's date after it has happened. Leave empty if the series is ongoing or renewed.Check out the chart here. (Or check the template page yourself and you'll see that I'm not making this up)
I'm actually annoyed that this is even a discussion at all. If a show uses {{ Infobox television}}, then follow the instructions within the template. Anime articles adhere to the instructions in {{ infobox animanga}}. Since the Animanga template instructs users to list the end date when the season concludes, in the absence of renewal announcements, we are going to do exactly just that. There is nothing wrong with following the guidelines as they are written. Nowhere in the Animanga template does it say that we have to wait one year for renewal announcements until we're allowed to input the end date. Sk8erPrince ( talk) 16:57, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
I've encountered an issue with a conflicting episode title and not sure which one should be listed in the episode list. Yeah, Like Tomatoes, an episode from the second season of Weeds, has different titles used by different sources. Netflix uses "Yeah, Just Like Tomatoes"; IMDB uses "Yeah, Like Tomatoes"; The Futon Critic uses "Yeah. Like Tomatoes". Which one should be used? -- Gonnym ( talk) 10:11, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
For those interested in maintenance, I have created
Category:Episode lists with unformatted story or teleplay credits, for where articles are using |WrittenBy=''Story by'': Ken Daly and John Matta<br />''Teleplay by'': Ken Daly, John Matta and Jon Colton Barry
instead of |WrittenBy={{StoryTeleplay|s=Ken Daly and John Matta|t=Ken Daly, John Matta and Jon Colton Barry}}
. The current count is 1,000+ articles. -- /
Alex/
21 22:30, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:List of Toriko episodes#Requested move 26 October 2019. Discussion is about whether you can have a "List of episodes" article without having a "TV series" article. -- IJBall ( contribs • talk) 19:35, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
Hello and greetings from the maintainers of the WP 1.0 Bot! As you may or may not know, we are currently involved in an overhaul of the bot, in order to make it more modern and maintainable. As part of this process, we will be rewriting the web tool that is part of the project. You might have noticed this tool if you click through the links on the project assessment summary tables.
We'd like to collect information on how the current tool is used by....you! How do you yourself and the other maintainers of your project use the web tool? Which of its features do you need? How frequently do you use these features? And what features is the tool missing that would be useful to you? We have collected all of these questions at this Google form where you can leave your response. Walkerma ( talk) 04:25, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
Hello, |
On the List of programs broadcast by YTV, it has a section listing movies and specials that have aired on the network. Specials is one thing, but listing movies that have aired is WP:LISTCRUFT and unnecessary. I don't see any reason to keep a list of movies aired. No other lists with programming for networks have such a thing. Why have it for this network? Seems redundant and will never be complete as movies have been shown for decades. Mr. C.C. Hey yo! I didn't do it! 16:52, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
Hey all, what is the project's attitude toward TV special appearances and guest spots being included in filmographies in actor bios? Is this part of a bigger question? I often see film or TV actor bios include things like appearing as a guest on a comedy talk show, or comedy variety show, or a reality show, or a dance show or something. See Pearl V Puri#Filmography or this edit. Is there any guidance on this written anywhere? Sometimes they show up in dedicated Special appearances subsections. Thanks. Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 22:49, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
I need some pairs of eyes on this. As several editors keep adding WP:COPYVIO episode summaries and episode summaries of yet to air episodes WP: NOTCRYSTAL. — YoungForever (talk) 23:12, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
What's our consensus on series that are released in full on a streaming service first, then broadcast? War of the Worlds was released in full on MyCanal on October 28, is being broadcast weekly in double-batches from October 28 (to November 18, presumably), and is being advertised as being released in multiple countries in single-batches weekly from October 30 to December 18. What date/s should be listed in the episode table? -- / Alex/ 21 00:02, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
The parameter is not restricted to a "premiere" date. In the event a program airs a full "preview" episode on TV in advance of a premiere, that date should be used instead.and Infobox film
Release dates should therefore be restricted to the film's earliest release, whether it was at a film festival, a world premiere, or a public release. -- Gonnym ( talk) 00:43, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
A discussion has been created in WP:VPM#The line between WP:ANIME and WP:TVSHOW. Those who believe they need to voice their opinion on the matter is welcome to respond. Blue Pumpkin Pie ( talk) 06:42, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
Neither the above discussion nor the move discussion at Talk:List of Toriko episodes#Requested move 26 October 2019 seem to be going anywhere so I'm considering an RfC to determine whether MOS:ANIME is subordinate to MOS:TV when it relates to anime TV programs. However, I would appreciate help formulating the RfC question. Thoughts anyone? All constructive contributions are welcome. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 17:23, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
"Is WP:ANIME a sub-project of WP:TV and WP:COMICS, and therefore subject to the guidelines of the two parent projects?"This is basically the issue – Is WP:ANIME their own project that can do whatever they want? Or is it a subproject of the other two ("parent") WP's? -- IJBall ( contribs • talk) 18:34, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
This manual of style applies to articles about anime, manga, and related topics, and is a topic-specific subset Manual of Style of the following Manuals of Style: Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Japan-related articles, Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Writing about fiction, Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biographies (where applicable)and later also
Editors should also keep in mind the guidelines suggested on WikiProject Television or WikiProject Films, as those seem to work well for episodic media, including manga.. -- Gonnym ( talk) 19:10, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
"Is WP:ANIME a sub-project of WP:TV, WP:FILM and WP:COMICS, and therefore subject to the guidelines of these parent projects?"-- IJBall ( contribs • talk) 19:00, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
"Should WP:TV allow exceptions for WP:ANIME to organize articles differently if it means providing more good-quality content. Because WP:ANIMe has not gone against any MOS. Blue Pumpkin Pie ( talk) 19:33, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
Greetings! I have recently relisted a requested move discussion at Talk:AXN (German TV channel), regarding a page relating to this WikiProject. Discussion and opinions are invited. Thanks, comrade waddie96 ★ ( talk) 09:40, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
An RfC that affects your project has been opened at Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous). Please review the discussion and contribute as you see fit. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 15:04, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Watchmen (TV series)#About starring cast order. — YoungForever (talk) 15:32, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
Concerning the tables at the above Marvel Television articles, would these be considered series overview tables? They're simply raw wikicode, and identical to the display and layout that is given in {{ Series overview}}; exactly what we use to do before the template was created. We changed to the template for a reason. They're an overview of each season, with episode count and premiere/finale dates (or the release data, in the case of the Netflix series). The first table even includes the timeslot, which is typically a feature of {{ Television season ratings}}. List of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. episodes § Series overview even has a templated series overview, making its parent article's Release table redundant. If they are considered series overview tables, we typically always convert these tables to the template, and home media dates are not accepted in overview tables per MOS:TVOVERVIEW; a number of the tables are even classic series overviews with empty TBA cells for all the home media dates (see Cloak & Dagger). Should we be separating the home media dates and converting these tables to {{ Series overview}}? -- / Alex/ 21 21:55, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
Home media releases do not belong in the series overview tables. Such data can quickly overload a simple table and are not germane to our understanding of the series. Home media release information is best suited within their own section on the List of episodes article or main article.), home media dates were quickly removed from all series overview tables, either as a blank removal or a move to a separate table. How the tables in the above articles currently look is exactly how series overviews used to look before the home media guideline.
I invite editors to share their opinion about index pages at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Index of Babylon 5 articles. Question: Are index pages an endorsed way to organize TV-related articles, or are they a relict of the past? – sgeureka t• c 02:30, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
a discussion in talk:Infinity Train on whether a brief image shown in the HBOMax presentation is enough to include in the article. Blue Pumpkin Pie ( talk) 22:15, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
This is regarding season 2 of The Masked Singer. I've put multiple message on the talk page about this (see here), but to summarize it up quickly- an episode was originally supposed to air on October 30, but was delayed to this week (November 6) due to a necessary Game 7 of the World Series. To avoid bumping the entire season up a week, FOX opted to air two back-to-back episode on November 6, the first from 8-9pm, and the second from 9-10pm. With multiple sources confirming it (again, see talk page messages), the episodes are listed separately as even FOX themselves list it as episode 5 and 6, which is why they are not listed together as "Mask Us Anything/Mask-ish" on the episode table.
With this comes a problem over how the viewership/ratings should be listed (see here for that discussion). The initial ratings Archived 2019-11-07 at the Wayback Machine on TV by the Numbers list them as to separate episodes, one from 8-9pm with 6.97m and the other from 9-10pm with 7.22m. The article further states that they are, "back-to-back episodes," and that they, "averaged 7.1 million viewers across the two episodes". However, their later final ratings Archived 2019-11-07 at the Wayback Machine list it as just one episode from 8-10pm, with 7.10m. The math works out correctly to the average (6.97 + 7.22 = 14.19, divide by 2 results in 7.095, which rounds to the 7.1 average).
The problem then comes to if initial ratings or final ratings should be used. While yes, I know the final ratings would be better off to use, the initial ratings list them off as two separate episodes, while the final ratings list it as just one two-hour episode and averages the separate ratings. As can be seen through the talk page, two users are saying the final ratings should be used, and give both episodes the 7.10. In my mind, that would be incorrect and not be going off of both sources- as the initial ratings give two different numbers for each episode, and that the final ratings they are changing it to to use 7.10 lists 7.10 as the average for both episodes combined as one- 8-10pm. With multiple sources confirming it, the episodes should definitely remain separate in the episode table, but how would this ratings problem be handled? This seems to be an interesting case, as with the Roseanne instance they give, both the initial ratings Archived 2019-11-08 at the Wayback Machine and final ratings Archived 2018-03-29 at the Wayback Machine list them as one episode, from 8-9pm- while The Masked Singer changes between the initial and final ratings. Thanks in advance. Magitroopa ( talk) 16:57, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
You should never use the preliminary ratings, especially around this time of the year as they are often subject to downward adjustments for things like Sports preemptions in certain markets. For arguments sake if a television show was preempted in New York(The number one Nielsen market) it would result in a greater than usual adjustment. These sort of situations are fairly common for networks like ABC(On Mondays) & The CW which frequently has preemptions which are often a pain in the butt for fans in those markets and always results in adjustments down. Esuka ( talk) 20:07, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
When it comes to characters who look like certain animals without being those animals, is it okay to use "-like" in their descriptions (for example: dog-like, cat-like, mouse-like, etc.)? 107.77.231.236 ( talk) 17:14, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
As the result of a recent failed move discussion regarding a television series, I have opened a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Television#Article hierarchy clarification with the aim of adding what should be simple clarification regarding article hierarchy to the MOS. All editors are invited and encouraged to participate, even if that is to just read what is written. Thank you. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 01:01, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
I brought up a discussion to split the episode list for Letterkenny (TV series). Blue Pumpkin Pie ( talk) 19:46, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
Just wondering if anyone from this WikiProject has heard of this person. He's described as TV presenter from the UK, but I haven't found any real WP:SIGCOV about him. There appear to be some others who share his name so there's lots of hits, but not finding anything but trivial mentions. All of the article content is unsourced and it actually reads like something written by a fan; so, even if he meets WP:BIO, there's going to be lots of cleaning up to do. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 11:44, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
That's what i found on the internet on him. There are various sites with all the same content as here on wikipedia, seem to be very promotional. -- Gyanda ( talk) 01:10, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
How is it the "United States network television schedule" articles, such as 2018–19 United States network television schedule, use season terminology (summer, fall, winter, spring) in the tables despite MOS:SEASON? And how are these articles, or at least the schedule tables, not textbook WP:TVGUIDE? -- / Alex/ 21 11:01, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
Taskorce seems dead, so figured this would be better here. Does anyone familiar with this series think this article has any potnetial? It seems to currently be just a list of non-notable minor topics all shoved together. There are bits and pieces of production info, but nothing like Mythology of Carnivàle or Mythology of The X-Files (though that one needs some work). TTN ( talk) 17:08, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Adventure Time: Distant Lands#Paraphrase. The question is: Are we allowed to paraphrase press release descriptions of episodes for the episode summaries before they have aired? -- / Alex/ 21 23:26, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
What is the purpose of this category? How does a TV article qualify for the category? And if it's added to an article, what legitimate reason needs to be provided for deleting it? Pyxis Solitary (yak) 07:17, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
Hi guys, I was wondering if anyone had considered a WikiProject Netflix? In the vein of the successful Wikipedia:WikiProject BBC, and obviously with a bit different scope given the alternative format and history of Netflix different to traditional networks. There's plenty scope, lots of quality articles, and an abundance of editors who work on Netflix-produced media more specifically, perhaps because of an equal abundance of available coverage because of the international nature. I think it could work, but wanted to ask. Kingsif ( talk) 13:44, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
I just discovered this merge proposal that has been in limbo since September. It could really do with more eyes and opinions. On a related note, List of Wagas episodes needs converting to use {{ Series overview}} and {{ Episode list}}. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 06:02, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
I've been working on the user sandbox draft User:Marchjuly/sandbox/Being: Mike Tyson for quite some time, but I haven't been able to find any real rating info or critical reviews of the series in major RSs. I did ask about this once before here at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television/Archive 22#Being:Mike Tyson, but still haven't had much luck other than this and blogs, etc. The series is now available on Amazon Prime and also available on Blu-ray, but I'm not sure if those things are good enough for this to meet WP:TVSERIES. If there's really not enough about this for it to be a viable article, then I can just blank the usd. I also could move it to the draft namespace if there are others willing to work on it. I thought about moving it to the mainspace, but don't want to do so if it's going to end up at AfD shortly thereafter. Anyone have any suggestions on what to do here? Thanks in advance. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 07:36, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
The Good Place article lists the series double episodes, such as Everything Is Great!, as ep1 and ep2, with a note saying that the on-screen title card splits them into 2 chapters. The official site lists only 12 episodes in that season and not 13, as does IMDB, while Futon Critic does call them 201 and 202. How should these be numbered? Does the season have 12 episodes or 13 episodes? -- Gonnym ( talk) 12:00, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
Since this came up; in a separate case how would you guys recommend setting up the first season episode table at Salvation (TV series)? Episodes 4 & 5 and 7 & 8 aired in a two hour block with only one set of credits but received different episode titles and writer/director credits. They're both listed together on TF C and on CB S. I had the episodes merged as such here but someone came along and listed them as separate episodes solely on the reason of having different writers and directors. There's no clear split in the episodes again as they were aired and uploaded in one block the split was just my guestimation. The viewing figures were listed as one two-hour block as well once released. TheDoctorWho (talk) 22:44, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
The Human Strain/Keeping the Faith S1 E4, 5and for the other one as
Seeing Red/From Russia, With Love S1 E7, 8. This is why I said that the "block" was OR. Go with what the production actually says, in this case, it says they are two episodes. -- Gonnym ( talk) 06:52, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
They were broadcast as two episodes with two sets of credits on NBC. If you watch The Good Place you would know that after the title they show a green chapter screen with the chapter number in white. They also provided the credits as usual. The preliminary Nielsen ratings showed two episodes too for the season three premiere before they just averaged out the hour in the finals. Here's the Showbuzz Daily listing for the preliminary numbers showing two episodes [8] You can find the TVBythenumbers one with a bit of effort(They listed the same way I remember), I personally don't want to dig through their archives. Esuka ( talk) 16:24, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
Reliable sources consistently refer to the series being renewed for 13 episodes, not 12 (I believe there's an episode 14 in the fourth and final season, however), and Futon Critic also consistently lists the premieres as separate episodes. In combo with the included chapter cards (creator intent), this makes them clearly separate, no matter how various streaming services bundle them. — Joeyconnick ( talk) 03:51, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
Hello, my name is Caroline. As an employee of DISH, I suggested improvements to the DISH Network infobox. My request is at Talk:Dish_Network#Updates_available_for_infobox. Specifically, the financials and number of employees are outdated, so I have provided the updated figures and sourcing. I'll avoid editing the article directly and will disclose my conflict of interest openly when submitting requests for editors to review.
Thanks!
CK-DISH ( talk) 20:39, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
This is in regards to The Walking Dead and the character Enid portrayed by Katelyn Nacon. Her last appearance is in the season 9 episode " The Calm Before", however she briefly appears (a few seconds) via archive footage from that season 9 episode in a season 10 episode and the actress is uncredited. How do we deal with this? Certain editors are adding this an appearance, as as guest star in the season and episode articles and is using that episode as her "last appeance" in her character article. I'm a believer that it would have to be new footage with the actor credited for it to count. Do we have any guidelines on this? Drovethrughosts ( talk) 23:21, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
Thoughts on the situation between the above articles? The Haunting of Hill House was set to be a limited single-season series, but was renewed with The Haunting of Bly Manor, but it's not clear whether Bly Manor is a second season (and will be under some sort of umbrella title like American Horror Story), or a completely separate (sequel?) series, as the Bly Manor article currently portrays. Thoughts on how this should be handled? -- / Alex/ 21 10:51, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/I'm a Celebrity...Get Me Out of Here! (British series 1). -- IJBall ( contribs • talk) 17:12, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
The Daily Show, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. AIRcorn (talk) 03:13, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Magnum, P.I.#Requested move 3 December 2019. — YoungForever (talk) 00:24, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Television#Recurring character = 4 or 5 episodes?. — YoungForever (talk) 17:32, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
I invite editors to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Television#Are Lists of cast members still a thing? – sgeureka t• c 14:53, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
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Hi, me and Bradford have a question over at Bolívar (TV series). The show is Colombian, but was first released worldwide except Colombia on Netflix, with 60 episodes. It was, though, first released in Colombia on the TV channel Caracol. In the Caracol broadcast, the episodes are cut differently and currently number 69, with the show ongoing. The question is which episode listing should be the main focus on Wikipedia. Netflix was technically the first broadcast and is the most widely available format, but obviously the show is Colombian and the Caracol version is the first and only broadcast there. Kingsif ( talk) 20:56, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
There is a noticeboard discussion on the reliability of Showbiz Cheat Sheet ( cheatsheet.com) and We Got This Covered ( wegotthiscovered.com). If you are interested, please participate at WP:RSN § Omigosh, are Cheatsheet.com and WeGotThisCovered.com reliable?. — Newslinger talk 11:18, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
All TV-show specific WikiProjects I could find are listed below:
As per
Wikipedia:WikiProject Television/Descendant WikiProjects and task forces#Show-specific projects and task forces, We now strongly recommend that new show/topic-specific WikiProjects become task forces of WP:TV. This still allows for greater focus on that show/ topic, but without having to start a whole new project from scratch. Many existing show-specific WikiProjects became projects before the concept of task forces was widely known, and many of them will become task forces in the future. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Guide for more info, or ask for help on WT:TV.
(emphasis mine).
I'd like to lead with a good example and finally perform the last step and batch-turn all inactive WikiProjects from the above list into taskforces. All affected WikiProjects will receive a talkpage message within the next few hours that links to this discussion.
{{
no X|Opposed}}
, so that they can get a separate discussion at a later time.– sgeureka t• c 12:42, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
There is consensus for turning most of the listed WikiProjects into taskforces. I'll carefully re-read the discussion above, summarize here what I'll do and perform the move over the weekend. –
sgeureka
t•
c 08:00, 22 November 2019 (UTC) whenever I have time in the near future to do this properly. –
sgeureka
t•
c 12:34, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
There is consensus for:
Ideas for the future and things to keep in mind:
{{
WikiProject status|inactive|type=TV show|parent=Television|taskforce=yes}}
will take care of this. –
sgeureka
t•
c 12:27, 28 November 2019 (UTC))– sgeureka t• c 12:34, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
Done All inactive WikiProjects are turned into taskforces now. I'll start cleaning up Wikipedia:WikiProject Television/Navigation and Wikipedia:WikiProject Television/Descendant WikiProjects and task forces soon. What might need more input/action from others:
– sgeureka t• c 22:38, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
@ Sgeureka: So after these have been converted to task forces, what about the banner templates? {{ WikiProject The Apprentice UK}} does not tag the articles as TV WP-related. -- Gonnym ( talk) 11:15, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
@ Sgeureka: did you leave out Wikipedia:WikiProject NCIS for a specific reason? -- Gonnym ( talk) 17:02, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
I keep seeing edits like this, where an anonymous editor keeps adding dashes to cast/character descriptions. I've seen these in a number of articles, but aren't they typically double-spaced, like "SpongeBob SquarePants – A happy yellow sponge"? Is there a preference for these? I don't see anything in the MOS, specifically. Thanks. Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 21:13, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
Editors of this WikiProject may be interested in an RfC at Talk:WNGH-TV#RfC about TV and radio station style variances. – Reidgreg ( talk) 18:46, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
I recently created {{ You (novel series)}} for the novel series and television adaptation, but I'm not sure on the disambiguator "novel series", as there's more articles for the television series than the novels, and {{ You}} already exists. Thoughts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alex 21 ( talk • contribs)
Hi there, your input would be appreciated at Template talk:Infobox television#RfC: Should a "dialogue" parameter be added to the template? Thank you, Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 18:03, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
First of all, happy holidays everyone! On to the issue at hand, I would like to get a wider range of opinions regarding the series finale titles of Mr. Robot (see here for the initial discussion. A recap:
Thanks. Drovethrughosts ( talk) 15:03, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
...the two-part episode (titled "whoami" and "Hello, Elliot," respectively, according to USA reps)". At the very least, their placement should be switched around, so "whoami/Hello, Elliot" appear in the Tittle parameter while the former appears as an AltTitle. Drovethrughosts ( talk) 22:20, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
I support using the titles "whoami" and "Hello, Elliot", for the reasons given already and for what I've said on the talkpage. Esuka ( talk) 16:23, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
Posting a notice that we have two new users User:SonuMohkh and User:MadhuShree1717 working for Zee Entertainment Enterprises. They've created around 40 new articles in draft-space. -- Gonnym ( talk) 11:29, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
Hullo,
At
Talk:The Alienist (TV series)#List of episodes param in {{Infobox television}}, I queried
IJBall about his recent edit to
that article removing "#Episodes" as the value of the |list_episodes=
parameter in the {{
Infobox television}}
template. He feels the template documentation requires (encourages?) this because it says If a Wikipedia "List of" article exists for the show's episodes, put its name here.
and that the intent behind this sentence is that if there isn't a list of episodes actual article, the parameter should be left blank.
I've seen this use of "#Episodes" throughout the project in TV program articles and while I understand his interpretation of the documentation, I disagree that the documentation requires or even encourages this type of removal. I feel like having a link to the list of episodes (wherever they may be, either in the program article or in a separate one) in the infobox is useful. I wanted to hear what others thought because if the removal interpretation has wide consensus, that'll require changes to a pretty substantial number of articles (if we want to be consistent). I would prefer we simply don't take a strict literalist approach to the template's documentation by assuming "if" in the sentence means "iff", i.e. "if and only if", or that we just change the documentation to more clearly allow for some flexibility. — Joeyconnick ( talk) 06:09, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
If an existing article has a section specifically about the topic, you can redirect or link directly to it, by following the article name with a number signand follows with text about linking to sections within the same article. With that, I don't really have a problem with these type of links. TheDoctorWho (Happy Christmas!) 06:40, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
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Needs more sources. Notability, independent of the show? The Incredible Dr. Pol Impending AFD or Merger. Merger discussion. 7&6=thirteen ( ☎) 17:07, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
Incase you didn't know, there's a very long discussion going on at Talk:The Mandalorian you may enjoy. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 17:19, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
Discussion here. Opinions welcome. Popcornduff ( talk) 21:11, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Steven Universe Future#Episode table. This discussion regards whether an episode table should exist on the season article and then transcluded to the List of Episodes article, or should only exist on the List of Episodes article. -- / Alex/ 21 23:58, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
On Doctor Who (series 12), there's an ongoing battle on whether the first episode of the season should be written in the episode table as "Spyfall, Part 1" (as according to official BBC episode guide), or "Spyfall, Part One" (as according to the title card of the episode). I did change it to "Spyfall, Part One" at one point due the the reason in brackets, but this was because I misinterpreted Alex 21's comments, which were along the lines of "WP:TV has always deferred to the official episode listings by the broadcaster". While I'm not losing sleep over whether it's written as a number or a word, I wanted to ask other editors a) are Alex's comments correct? b) is there a guideline on what to do if title cards and listings differ? and c) should there be a guideline? just to make sure these issues aren't based on what one editor thinks they know (Alex I think is the only editor who's reverted changes to "Part 1"). Thank you -- Ted Edwards 00:55, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
Wikipedia articles should be based on reliable, published secondary sources and, to a lesser extent, on tertiary sources and primary sources.per WP:PSTS; that is, secondary sources are always preferred over primary sources, so if a proper secondary source is available (i.e. the official BBC episode guide), then it should always be preferred over the primary sources (i.e. the episode).
Digressing.
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Proper names, technical terms, and the like are never altered. -- Gonnym ( talk) 09:46, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
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Is that part of COPYVIO, or something else? - Jack Sebastian ( talk) 17:02, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
As this deprives the company making the product of profits they would be able to generate over a new episode, it feels like theft to print the episode summary here.You have tried to push this point before. Please do not forum shop. It is entirely irrelevant. What is relevant is whether the plot can be verified. If it is available for early viewing on the app, then it is available for verification. -- Izno ( talk) 17:41, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
The specific edit which has spurred this is being discussed on the
Titans talk page. The latest episode of
Titans was released on pay site
DC Universe, and an editor wrote a summary. Jack Sebastian is under the impression that being behind a paywall makes the plot summary unverifiable, and would rather we wait for online reviews. That is not a thing. Also, his above concerns about interfering with the profit-making ability of a show when we post details ahead of general broadcast
are, well, ridiculous. Release on the DC Universe site is general broadcast, and we don't concern ourselves with spoilers or "profit-making ability". Masem, I'm assuming that when you talk about the notability of episodes, you mean as related to creating individual articles for them, not adding summaries to episode lists.—
TAnthony
Talk 19:48, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
Some reliable sources may not be easily accessible. For example, an online source may require payment, and a print-only source may be available only in university libraries. Rare historical sources may even be available only in special museum collections and archives. Do not reject reliable sources just because they are difficult or costly to access. If you have trouble accessing a source, others may be able to do so on your behalf (see WikiProject Resource Exchange).— TAnthony Talk 21:02, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
Happy editing! --- Another Believer ( Talk) 01:05, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
Charmed (2018 TV series) has been split into season articles and a list of episodes article again. Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television/Archive 29#Television article splitting. I still don't think anything has changed significantly that would warrant splitting into season articles and a list of episodes page yet. Based on MOS:TVSPLIT and Wikipedia:Article splitting (television), WP:SPLIT, WP:SUMMARY, WP:SPINOUT, WP:LENGTH still apply. Thoughts? — YoungForever (talk) 14:08, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
Comments are invited at Talk:Police procedural#Merger proposal. Thanks, Meticulo ( talk) 06:55, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
The term "segments" seems to get used a lot in kids TV programs and I've never really understood it. Now, somebody keeps adding the term to Melissa & Joey which is obviously not a kids' program. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] I fail to see how 156 segments relates to 104 epiosdes. Is this just pure vandalism or is there some site that uses the term? -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 13:16, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
Melissa & Joey did not have "segments", I watched the TV series when it was still airing new episodes. Also, I don't it is appropriate to include the number of segments on the Infobox television as TV series go by number of episodes rather than segments. Segments are within an episode. — YoungForever (talk) 17:33, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
As per the discussion over at Talk:Smallville#Cast Section Bloat isn't it about time a rule was set for when the infobox becomes to full or cluttered with cast that we instead link the cast to a seperate header or article. 10 cast? 15? 20? Just an idea so there is more consistency on all televsion articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.98.183.174 ( talk) 17:09, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
A heads up, I've updated the {{ Television ratings graph}} template to use Template:Graph:Chart, which can be viewed on mobile, instead of the deprecated (or soon to be) previous method of graphing, which had a lot of issues. I've also updated {{ Series overview}} to support and create tables for multi-series franchises (such as the table at Arrowverse). If my changes have caused any errors, please let me know! Cheers. -- / Alex/ 21 11:38, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
Hi
I have added a section as the whole episode was about Wikipedia and bad actor influence.
The episode is here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m00091w2/click-short-edition-05102019
I am unsure if non-UK viewers will be able to watch it?
Can someone go and check the article for NPOV please? :¬)
Thanks Chaosdruid ( talk) 14:13, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
The FFD discussion about " File:SteveRhoadesBoresTheCourt.jpg" has been ongoing for 30 days since the nomination. I invite you for input in effort to improve the consensus. George Ho ( talk) 04:58, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
After requesting for
Big Brother 20 (American season) and
Big Brother 21 (American season) to be assessed and after they both received C class status, I asked how they could be upgraded further.
Bilorv informed me that almost no reality television articles on Wikipedia actually conform to our MOS
and that the "Format", "HouseGuests", "Episodes" and "Voting history" might all seem sensible ideas individually, but together they form a collection of indiscriminate information about the show which is way overboard
(See full discussion at
Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Television/Assessment#Big Brother 21 (American season)). Bilorv brought up problems with the
structure of season articles and how it hasn't been updated since 2007. He mentioned, "My worry is that 2007 precedent is not a sufficient basis for our 2019 article quality scheme
," which I agree with.
The aim of this discussion is whether we should use, abandon, or rewrite Wikipedia:WikiProject Big Brother/Structure of series or season articles. Jayab 314 16:33, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
@ Masem, Bilorv, and Alucard 16: I'm pretty sure I fixed everything that was brough up in this discussion. If I missed anything let me know. Also, if you don't mind, can someone please take a look at the article and maybe give feedback on it. Thanks! Jayab 314 01:22, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
Hey all. I'm considering deprecating the |infoheader=
parameter from the {{
Series overview}} template. Currently, we currently use the parameter by using the code
{{Series overview |infoheader=Ratings |infoA=Average viewers |infoB=Rank
and {{Series overview |infoheader=Average viewers
to generate
Season | Episodes | Originally aired | Average viewers | Rank | ||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
First aired | Last aired |
Season | Episodes | Originally aired | ||
---|---|---|---|---|
First aired | Last aired |
respectively. The information header is forgone when there's only one column of information (but we still have to use |infoheader=
instead of |infoA=
), and displayed when there's two or more columns (requiring us to use |infoheader=
, |infoA=
, |infoB=
, etc). This can become buggy when an editor uses |infoheader=
and |infoA=
together when there's only one column, by using
{{Series overview |infoheader=Ratings |infoA=Average viewers
which generates the faulty
Season | Episodes | Originally aired | Average viewers | ||
---|---|---|---|---|---|
First aired | Last aired |
However, (and the following scenarios are testcases from a sandbox), we can use
{{Series overview |infoA=Average viewers |infoB=Rank
and {{Series overview |infoA=Average viewers
to generate
Season | Episodes | Originally aired | Average viewers | Rank | ||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
First aired | Last aired |
Season | Episodes | Originally aired | Average viewers | ||
---|---|---|---|---|---|
First aired | Last aired |
respectively, which provides less confusion of which parameters to include and exclude, by just using |infoA=
through |infoZ=
, and provides a more uniform layout when taking into consideration the number of information cells. It also allows us to include information columns that may not have any relation to each other, and thus no need for a confusing information header. Furthermore, it also allows the new multi-series franchise series overviews to have extra information columns without a header such as "Series information", given that the whole overview is information about the series (this is the same scenario as the previous sentence: information columns that may not have any relation and no confusing/redundant information header), as seen
Series | Season | Episodes | Originally aired | Showrunner(s) | Status | ||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
First aired | Last aired |
Would there be any opposition to this, or any further comments or concerns? Let me know! Cheers. -- / Alex/ 21 07:16, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
|infoheader=
, there will be no functionality lost because there is still |infoA=
through |infoZ=
? I wouldn'd mind. I'll say though that it took me while to figure out a working parameter solution for the current system when a season was split into parts, and something should still work in such a situation after you made your prosed edits. (We met when you edited
List of Money Heist episodes.) –
sgeureka
t•
c 10:24, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
|infoheader=
will simply remove the need for a header above the information cells, allowing them to stand alone and not cause any breakages or confusion on what parameters should or shouldn't be included. The article
List of Money Heist episodes won't be affected at all by the proposed deprecation, as the parts column uses the |aux=
parameters rather than the |info=
parameters; several articles now use those parameters for "Part" numbers, including
The Ranch (TV series). -- /
Alex/
21 10:34, 13 October 2019 (UTC)Catch 21, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Ten Pound Hammer • ( What did I screw up now?) 03:15, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
There is a discussion at
Talk:One-Punch_Man#End_date_and_Season_3 regarding the last_aired
parameter of {{
Infobox television}} and the language in the template's documentation as well as
WP:TVPRESENT. Please join the discussion.
EvergreenFir
(talk) 19:38, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
last_aired
from "present" to {{ end date}}. Sk8erPrince feels that this should not be the case and, if I understand correctly, that after any season ends that date should be used for the
last_aired
parameter until a new season begins.
Blue Pumpkin Pie noted that
WP:ANIME has separate rules and I do now see that
Template:Infobox_animanga/Video has different documentation for this. Perhaps this whole point is moot, but now I find it odd that we treat one type of TV series differently from the rest.
EvergreenFir
(talk) 23:48, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
In order to limit the risk to the companies on these committees, each season is planned out at only a finite 11-13 episodes. If the show is a hit, additional seasons can be ordered down the line. If the show tanks, each member of the committee is only out for the cost of a single season -- and often that cost can be made up through international rights sales, home video, and whatever small number of merchandise items managed to get released.
@ AussieLegend: If that is true, then there is no reason to have this discussion. One-Punch Man isn't using that template. It's using {{ Infobox animanga}}. Blue Pumpkin Pie ( talk) 15:02, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
The first air date of the series's last episode on its original Japanese network. Only insert the last episode's date after it has happened. Leave empty if the series is ongoing or renewed.Check out the chart here. (Or check the template page yourself and you'll see that I'm not making this up)
I'm actually annoyed that this is even a discussion at all. If a show uses {{ Infobox television}}, then follow the instructions within the template. Anime articles adhere to the instructions in {{ infobox animanga}}. Since the Animanga template instructs users to list the end date when the season concludes, in the absence of renewal announcements, we are going to do exactly just that. There is nothing wrong with following the guidelines as they are written. Nowhere in the Animanga template does it say that we have to wait one year for renewal announcements until we're allowed to input the end date. Sk8erPrince ( talk) 16:57, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
I've encountered an issue with a conflicting episode title and not sure which one should be listed in the episode list. Yeah, Like Tomatoes, an episode from the second season of Weeds, has different titles used by different sources. Netflix uses "Yeah, Just Like Tomatoes"; IMDB uses "Yeah, Like Tomatoes"; The Futon Critic uses "Yeah. Like Tomatoes". Which one should be used? -- Gonnym ( talk) 10:11, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
For those interested in maintenance, I have created
Category:Episode lists with unformatted story or teleplay credits, for where articles are using |WrittenBy=''Story by'': Ken Daly and John Matta<br />''Teleplay by'': Ken Daly, John Matta and Jon Colton Barry
instead of |WrittenBy={{StoryTeleplay|s=Ken Daly and John Matta|t=Ken Daly, John Matta and Jon Colton Barry}}
. The current count is 1,000+ articles. -- /
Alex/
21 22:30, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:List of Toriko episodes#Requested move 26 October 2019. Discussion is about whether you can have a "List of episodes" article without having a "TV series" article. -- IJBall ( contribs • talk) 19:35, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
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Hello, |
On the List of programs broadcast by YTV, it has a section listing movies and specials that have aired on the network. Specials is one thing, but listing movies that have aired is WP:LISTCRUFT and unnecessary. I don't see any reason to keep a list of movies aired. No other lists with programming for networks have such a thing. Why have it for this network? Seems redundant and will never be complete as movies have been shown for decades. Mr. C.C. Hey yo! I didn't do it! 16:52, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
Hey all, what is the project's attitude toward TV special appearances and guest spots being included in filmographies in actor bios? Is this part of a bigger question? I often see film or TV actor bios include things like appearing as a guest on a comedy talk show, or comedy variety show, or a reality show, or a dance show or something. See Pearl V Puri#Filmography or this edit. Is there any guidance on this written anywhere? Sometimes they show up in dedicated Special appearances subsections. Thanks. Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 22:49, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
I need some pairs of eyes on this. As several editors keep adding WP:COPYVIO episode summaries and episode summaries of yet to air episodes WP: NOTCRYSTAL. — YoungForever (talk) 23:12, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
What's our consensus on series that are released in full on a streaming service first, then broadcast? War of the Worlds was released in full on MyCanal on October 28, is being broadcast weekly in double-batches from October 28 (to November 18, presumably), and is being advertised as being released in multiple countries in single-batches weekly from October 30 to December 18. What date/s should be listed in the episode table? -- / Alex/ 21 00:02, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
The parameter is not restricted to a "premiere" date. In the event a program airs a full "preview" episode on TV in advance of a premiere, that date should be used instead.and Infobox film
Release dates should therefore be restricted to the film's earliest release, whether it was at a film festival, a world premiere, or a public release. -- Gonnym ( talk) 00:43, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
A discussion has been created in WP:VPM#The line between WP:ANIME and WP:TVSHOW. Those who believe they need to voice their opinion on the matter is welcome to respond. Blue Pumpkin Pie ( talk) 06:42, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
Neither the above discussion nor the move discussion at Talk:List of Toriko episodes#Requested move 26 October 2019 seem to be going anywhere so I'm considering an RfC to determine whether MOS:ANIME is subordinate to MOS:TV when it relates to anime TV programs. However, I would appreciate help formulating the RfC question. Thoughts anyone? All constructive contributions are welcome. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 17:23, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
"Is WP:ANIME a sub-project of WP:TV and WP:COMICS, and therefore subject to the guidelines of the two parent projects?"This is basically the issue – Is WP:ANIME their own project that can do whatever they want? Or is it a subproject of the other two ("parent") WP's? -- IJBall ( contribs • talk) 18:34, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
This manual of style applies to articles about anime, manga, and related topics, and is a topic-specific subset Manual of Style of the following Manuals of Style: Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Japan-related articles, Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Writing about fiction, Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biographies (where applicable)and later also
Editors should also keep in mind the guidelines suggested on WikiProject Television or WikiProject Films, as those seem to work well for episodic media, including manga.. -- Gonnym ( talk) 19:10, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
"Is WP:ANIME a sub-project of WP:TV, WP:FILM and WP:COMICS, and therefore subject to the guidelines of these parent projects?"-- IJBall ( contribs • talk) 19:00, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
"Should WP:TV allow exceptions for WP:ANIME to organize articles differently if it means providing more good-quality content. Because WP:ANIMe has not gone against any MOS. Blue Pumpkin Pie ( talk) 19:33, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
Greetings! I have recently relisted a requested move discussion at Talk:AXN (German TV channel), regarding a page relating to this WikiProject. Discussion and opinions are invited. Thanks, comrade waddie96 ★ ( talk) 09:40, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
An RfC that affects your project has been opened at Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous). Please review the discussion and contribute as you see fit. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 15:04, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Watchmen (TV series)#About starring cast order. — YoungForever (talk) 15:32, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
Concerning the tables at the above Marvel Television articles, would these be considered series overview tables? They're simply raw wikicode, and identical to the display and layout that is given in {{ Series overview}}; exactly what we use to do before the template was created. We changed to the template for a reason. They're an overview of each season, with episode count and premiere/finale dates (or the release data, in the case of the Netflix series). The first table even includes the timeslot, which is typically a feature of {{ Television season ratings}}. List of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. episodes § Series overview even has a templated series overview, making its parent article's Release table redundant. If they are considered series overview tables, we typically always convert these tables to the template, and home media dates are not accepted in overview tables per MOS:TVOVERVIEW; a number of the tables are even classic series overviews with empty TBA cells for all the home media dates (see Cloak & Dagger). Should we be separating the home media dates and converting these tables to {{ Series overview}}? -- / Alex/ 21 21:55, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
Home media releases do not belong in the series overview tables. Such data can quickly overload a simple table and are not germane to our understanding of the series. Home media release information is best suited within their own section on the List of episodes article or main article.), home media dates were quickly removed from all series overview tables, either as a blank removal or a move to a separate table. How the tables in the above articles currently look is exactly how series overviews used to look before the home media guideline.
I invite editors to share their opinion about index pages at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Index of Babylon 5 articles. Question: Are index pages an endorsed way to organize TV-related articles, or are they a relict of the past? – sgeureka t• c 02:30, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
a discussion in talk:Infinity Train on whether a brief image shown in the HBOMax presentation is enough to include in the article. Blue Pumpkin Pie ( talk) 22:15, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
This is regarding season 2 of The Masked Singer. I've put multiple message on the talk page about this (see here), but to summarize it up quickly- an episode was originally supposed to air on October 30, but was delayed to this week (November 6) due to a necessary Game 7 of the World Series. To avoid bumping the entire season up a week, FOX opted to air two back-to-back episode on November 6, the first from 8-9pm, and the second from 9-10pm. With multiple sources confirming it (again, see talk page messages), the episodes are listed separately as even FOX themselves list it as episode 5 and 6, which is why they are not listed together as "Mask Us Anything/Mask-ish" on the episode table.
With this comes a problem over how the viewership/ratings should be listed (see here for that discussion). The initial ratings Archived 2019-11-07 at the Wayback Machine on TV by the Numbers list them as to separate episodes, one from 8-9pm with 6.97m and the other from 9-10pm with 7.22m. The article further states that they are, "back-to-back episodes," and that they, "averaged 7.1 million viewers across the two episodes". However, their later final ratings Archived 2019-11-07 at the Wayback Machine list it as just one episode from 8-10pm, with 7.10m. The math works out correctly to the average (6.97 + 7.22 = 14.19, divide by 2 results in 7.095, which rounds to the 7.1 average).
The problem then comes to if initial ratings or final ratings should be used. While yes, I know the final ratings would be better off to use, the initial ratings list them off as two separate episodes, while the final ratings list it as just one two-hour episode and averages the separate ratings. As can be seen through the talk page, two users are saying the final ratings should be used, and give both episodes the 7.10. In my mind, that would be incorrect and not be going off of both sources- as the initial ratings give two different numbers for each episode, and that the final ratings they are changing it to to use 7.10 lists 7.10 as the average for both episodes combined as one- 8-10pm. With multiple sources confirming it, the episodes should definitely remain separate in the episode table, but how would this ratings problem be handled? This seems to be an interesting case, as with the Roseanne instance they give, both the initial ratings Archived 2019-11-08 at the Wayback Machine and final ratings Archived 2018-03-29 at the Wayback Machine list them as one episode, from 8-9pm- while The Masked Singer changes between the initial and final ratings. Thanks in advance. Magitroopa ( talk) 16:57, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
You should never use the preliminary ratings, especially around this time of the year as they are often subject to downward adjustments for things like Sports preemptions in certain markets. For arguments sake if a television show was preempted in New York(The number one Nielsen market) it would result in a greater than usual adjustment. These sort of situations are fairly common for networks like ABC(On Mondays) & The CW which frequently has preemptions which are often a pain in the butt for fans in those markets and always results in adjustments down. Esuka ( talk) 20:07, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
When it comes to characters who look like certain animals without being those animals, is it okay to use "-like" in their descriptions (for example: dog-like, cat-like, mouse-like, etc.)? 107.77.231.236 ( talk) 17:14, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
As the result of a recent failed move discussion regarding a television series, I have opened a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Television#Article hierarchy clarification with the aim of adding what should be simple clarification regarding article hierarchy to the MOS. All editors are invited and encouraged to participate, even if that is to just read what is written. Thank you. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 01:01, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
I brought up a discussion to split the episode list for Letterkenny (TV series). Blue Pumpkin Pie ( talk) 19:46, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
Just wondering if anyone from this WikiProject has heard of this person. He's described as TV presenter from the UK, but I haven't found any real WP:SIGCOV about him. There appear to be some others who share his name so there's lots of hits, but not finding anything but trivial mentions. All of the article content is unsourced and it actually reads like something written by a fan; so, even if he meets WP:BIO, there's going to be lots of cleaning up to do. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 11:44, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
That's what i found on the internet on him. There are various sites with all the same content as here on wikipedia, seem to be very promotional. -- Gyanda ( talk) 01:10, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
How is it the "United States network television schedule" articles, such as 2018–19 United States network television schedule, use season terminology (summer, fall, winter, spring) in the tables despite MOS:SEASON? And how are these articles, or at least the schedule tables, not textbook WP:TVGUIDE? -- / Alex/ 21 11:01, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
Taskorce seems dead, so figured this would be better here. Does anyone familiar with this series think this article has any potnetial? It seems to currently be just a list of non-notable minor topics all shoved together. There are bits and pieces of production info, but nothing like Mythology of Carnivàle or Mythology of The X-Files (though that one needs some work). TTN ( talk) 17:08, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Adventure Time: Distant Lands#Paraphrase. The question is: Are we allowed to paraphrase press release descriptions of episodes for the episode summaries before they have aired? -- / Alex/ 21 23:26, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
What is the purpose of this category? How does a TV article qualify for the category? And if it's added to an article, what legitimate reason needs to be provided for deleting it? Pyxis Solitary (yak) 07:17, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
Hi guys, I was wondering if anyone had considered a WikiProject Netflix? In the vein of the successful Wikipedia:WikiProject BBC, and obviously with a bit different scope given the alternative format and history of Netflix different to traditional networks. There's plenty scope, lots of quality articles, and an abundance of editors who work on Netflix-produced media more specifically, perhaps because of an equal abundance of available coverage because of the international nature. I think it could work, but wanted to ask. Kingsif ( talk) 13:44, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
I just discovered this merge proposal that has been in limbo since September. It could really do with more eyes and opinions. On a related note, List of Wagas episodes needs converting to use {{ Series overview}} and {{ Episode list}}. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 06:02, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
I've been working on the user sandbox draft User:Marchjuly/sandbox/Being: Mike Tyson for quite some time, but I haven't been able to find any real rating info or critical reviews of the series in major RSs. I did ask about this once before here at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television/Archive 22#Being:Mike Tyson, but still haven't had much luck other than this and blogs, etc. The series is now available on Amazon Prime and also available on Blu-ray, but I'm not sure if those things are good enough for this to meet WP:TVSERIES. If there's really not enough about this for it to be a viable article, then I can just blank the usd. I also could move it to the draft namespace if there are others willing to work on it. I thought about moving it to the mainspace, but don't want to do so if it's going to end up at AfD shortly thereafter. Anyone have any suggestions on what to do here? Thanks in advance. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 07:36, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
The Good Place article lists the series double episodes, such as Everything Is Great!, as ep1 and ep2, with a note saying that the on-screen title card splits them into 2 chapters. The official site lists only 12 episodes in that season and not 13, as does IMDB, while Futon Critic does call them 201 and 202. How should these be numbered? Does the season have 12 episodes or 13 episodes? -- Gonnym ( talk) 12:00, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
Since this came up; in a separate case how would you guys recommend setting up the first season episode table at Salvation (TV series)? Episodes 4 & 5 and 7 & 8 aired in a two hour block with only one set of credits but received different episode titles and writer/director credits. They're both listed together on TF C and on CB S. I had the episodes merged as such here but someone came along and listed them as separate episodes solely on the reason of having different writers and directors. There's no clear split in the episodes again as they were aired and uploaded in one block the split was just my guestimation. The viewing figures were listed as one two-hour block as well once released. TheDoctorWho (talk) 22:44, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
The Human Strain/Keeping the Faith S1 E4, 5and for the other one as
Seeing Red/From Russia, With Love S1 E7, 8. This is why I said that the "block" was OR. Go with what the production actually says, in this case, it says they are two episodes. -- Gonnym ( talk) 06:52, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
They were broadcast as two episodes with two sets of credits on NBC. If you watch The Good Place you would know that after the title they show a green chapter screen with the chapter number in white. They also provided the credits as usual. The preliminary Nielsen ratings showed two episodes too for the season three premiere before they just averaged out the hour in the finals. Here's the Showbuzz Daily listing for the preliminary numbers showing two episodes [8] You can find the TVBythenumbers one with a bit of effort(They listed the same way I remember), I personally don't want to dig through their archives. Esuka ( talk) 16:24, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
Reliable sources consistently refer to the series being renewed for 13 episodes, not 12 (I believe there's an episode 14 in the fourth and final season, however), and Futon Critic also consistently lists the premieres as separate episodes. In combo with the included chapter cards (creator intent), this makes them clearly separate, no matter how various streaming services bundle them. — Joeyconnick ( talk) 03:51, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
Hello, my name is Caroline. As an employee of DISH, I suggested improvements to the DISH Network infobox. My request is at Talk:Dish_Network#Updates_available_for_infobox. Specifically, the financials and number of employees are outdated, so I have provided the updated figures and sourcing. I'll avoid editing the article directly and will disclose my conflict of interest openly when submitting requests for editors to review.
Thanks!
CK-DISH ( talk) 20:39, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
This is in regards to The Walking Dead and the character Enid portrayed by Katelyn Nacon. Her last appearance is in the season 9 episode " The Calm Before", however she briefly appears (a few seconds) via archive footage from that season 9 episode in a season 10 episode and the actress is uncredited. How do we deal with this? Certain editors are adding this an appearance, as as guest star in the season and episode articles and is using that episode as her "last appeance" in her character article. I'm a believer that it would have to be new footage with the actor credited for it to count. Do we have any guidelines on this? Drovethrughosts ( talk) 23:21, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
Thoughts on the situation between the above articles? The Haunting of Hill House was set to be a limited single-season series, but was renewed with The Haunting of Bly Manor, but it's not clear whether Bly Manor is a second season (and will be under some sort of umbrella title like American Horror Story), or a completely separate (sequel?) series, as the Bly Manor article currently portrays. Thoughts on how this should be handled? -- / Alex/ 21 10:51, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/I'm a Celebrity...Get Me Out of Here! (British series 1). -- IJBall ( contribs • talk) 17:12, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
The Daily Show, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. AIRcorn (talk) 03:13, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Magnum, P.I.#Requested move 3 December 2019. — YoungForever (talk) 00:24, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Television#Recurring character = 4 or 5 episodes?. — YoungForever (talk) 17:32, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
I invite editors to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Television#Are Lists of cast members still a thing? – sgeureka t• c 14:53, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
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Hi, me and Bradford have a question over at Bolívar (TV series). The show is Colombian, but was first released worldwide except Colombia on Netflix, with 60 episodes. It was, though, first released in Colombia on the TV channel Caracol. In the Caracol broadcast, the episodes are cut differently and currently number 69, with the show ongoing. The question is which episode listing should be the main focus on Wikipedia. Netflix was technically the first broadcast and is the most widely available format, but obviously the show is Colombian and the Caracol version is the first and only broadcast there. Kingsif ( talk) 20:56, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
There is a noticeboard discussion on the reliability of Showbiz Cheat Sheet ( cheatsheet.com) and We Got This Covered ( wegotthiscovered.com). If you are interested, please participate at WP:RSN § Omigosh, are Cheatsheet.com and WeGotThisCovered.com reliable?. — Newslinger talk 11:18, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
All TV-show specific WikiProjects I could find are listed below:
As per
Wikipedia:WikiProject Television/Descendant WikiProjects and task forces#Show-specific projects and task forces, We now strongly recommend that new show/topic-specific WikiProjects become task forces of WP:TV. This still allows for greater focus on that show/ topic, but without having to start a whole new project from scratch. Many existing show-specific WikiProjects became projects before the concept of task forces was widely known, and many of them will become task forces in the future. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Guide for more info, or ask for help on WT:TV.
(emphasis mine).
I'd like to lead with a good example and finally perform the last step and batch-turn all inactive WikiProjects from the above list into taskforces. All affected WikiProjects will receive a talkpage message within the next few hours that links to this discussion.
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, so that they can get a separate discussion at a later time.– sgeureka t• c 12:42, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
There is consensus for turning most of the listed WikiProjects into taskforces. I'll carefully re-read the discussion above, summarize here what I'll do and perform the move over the weekend. –
sgeureka
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c 08:00, 22 November 2019 (UTC) whenever I have time in the near future to do this properly. –
sgeureka
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c 12:34, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
There is consensus for:
Ideas for the future and things to keep in mind:
{{
WikiProject status|inactive|type=TV show|parent=Television|taskforce=yes}}
will take care of this. –
sgeureka
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c 12:27, 28 November 2019 (UTC))– sgeureka t• c 12:34, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
Done All inactive WikiProjects are turned into taskforces now. I'll start cleaning up Wikipedia:WikiProject Television/Navigation and Wikipedia:WikiProject Television/Descendant WikiProjects and task forces soon. What might need more input/action from others:
– sgeureka t• c 22:38, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
@ Sgeureka: So after these have been converted to task forces, what about the banner templates? {{ WikiProject The Apprentice UK}} does not tag the articles as TV WP-related. -- Gonnym ( talk) 11:15, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
@ Sgeureka: did you leave out Wikipedia:WikiProject NCIS for a specific reason? -- Gonnym ( talk) 17:02, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
I keep seeing edits like this, where an anonymous editor keeps adding dashes to cast/character descriptions. I've seen these in a number of articles, but aren't they typically double-spaced, like "SpongeBob SquarePants – A happy yellow sponge"? Is there a preference for these? I don't see anything in the MOS, specifically. Thanks. Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 21:13, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
Editors of this WikiProject may be interested in an RfC at Talk:WNGH-TV#RfC about TV and radio station style variances. – Reidgreg ( talk) 18:46, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
I recently created {{ You (novel series)}} for the novel series and television adaptation, but I'm not sure on the disambiguator "novel series", as there's more articles for the television series than the novels, and {{ You}} already exists. Thoughts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alex 21 ( talk • contribs)
Hi there, your input would be appreciated at Template talk:Infobox television#RfC: Should a "dialogue" parameter be added to the template? Thank you, Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 18:03, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
First of all, happy holidays everyone! On to the issue at hand, I would like to get a wider range of opinions regarding the series finale titles of Mr. Robot (see here for the initial discussion. A recap:
Thanks. Drovethrughosts ( talk) 15:03, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
...the two-part episode (titled "whoami" and "Hello, Elliot," respectively, according to USA reps)". At the very least, their placement should be switched around, so "whoami/Hello, Elliot" appear in the Tittle parameter while the former appears as an AltTitle. Drovethrughosts ( talk) 22:20, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
I support using the titles "whoami" and "Hello, Elliot", for the reasons given already and for what I've said on the talkpage. Esuka ( talk) 16:23, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
Posting a notice that we have two new users User:SonuMohkh and User:MadhuShree1717 working for Zee Entertainment Enterprises. They've created around 40 new articles in draft-space. -- Gonnym ( talk) 11:29, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
Hullo,
At
Talk:The Alienist (TV series)#List of episodes param in {{Infobox television}}, I queried
IJBall about his recent edit to
that article removing "#Episodes" as the value of the |list_episodes=
parameter in the {{
Infobox television}}
template. He feels the template documentation requires (encourages?) this because it says If a Wikipedia "List of" article exists for the show's episodes, put its name here.
and that the intent behind this sentence is that if there isn't a list of episodes actual article, the parameter should be left blank.
I've seen this use of "#Episodes" throughout the project in TV program articles and while I understand his interpretation of the documentation, I disagree that the documentation requires or even encourages this type of removal. I feel like having a link to the list of episodes (wherever they may be, either in the program article or in a separate one) in the infobox is useful. I wanted to hear what others thought because if the removal interpretation has wide consensus, that'll require changes to a pretty substantial number of articles (if we want to be consistent). I would prefer we simply don't take a strict literalist approach to the template's documentation by assuming "if" in the sentence means "iff", i.e. "if and only if", or that we just change the documentation to more clearly allow for some flexibility. — Joeyconnick ( talk) 06:09, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
If an existing article has a section specifically about the topic, you can redirect or link directly to it, by following the article name with a number signand follows with text about linking to sections within the same article. With that, I don't really have a problem with these type of links. TheDoctorWho (Happy Christmas!) 06:40, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
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Needs more sources. Notability, independent of the show? The Incredible Dr. Pol Impending AFD or Merger. Merger discussion. 7&6=thirteen ( ☎) 17:07, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
Incase you didn't know, there's a very long discussion going on at Talk:The Mandalorian you may enjoy. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 17:19, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
Discussion here. Opinions welcome. Popcornduff ( talk) 21:11, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Steven Universe Future#Episode table. This discussion regards whether an episode table should exist on the season article and then transcluded to the List of Episodes article, or should only exist on the List of Episodes article. -- / Alex/ 21 23:58, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
On Doctor Who (series 12), there's an ongoing battle on whether the first episode of the season should be written in the episode table as "Spyfall, Part 1" (as according to official BBC episode guide), or "Spyfall, Part One" (as according to the title card of the episode). I did change it to "Spyfall, Part One" at one point due the the reason in brackets, but this was because I misinterpreted Alex 21's comments, which were along the lines of "WP:TV has always deferred to the official episode listings by the broadcaster". While I'm not losing sleep over whether it's written as a number or a word, I wanted to ask other editors a) are Alex's comments correct? b) is there a guideline on what to do if title cards and listings differ? and c) should there be a guideline? just to make sure these issues aren't based on what one editor thinks they know (Alex I think is the only editor who's reverted changes to "Part 1"). Thank you -- Ted Edwards 00:55, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
Wikipedia articles should be based on reliable, published secondary sources and, to a lesser extent, on tertiary sources and primary sources.per WP:PSTS; that is, secondary sources are always preferred over primary sources, so if a proper secondary source is available (i.e. the official BBC episode guide), then it should always be preferred over the primary sources (i.e. the episode).
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Proper names, technical terms, and the like are never altered. -- Gonnym ( talk) 09:46, 10 January 2020 (UTC)