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Please review the following page move: [1]
Please contribute to the discussion at Talk:Katherine Karađorđević#Not even her courtesy title is "Crown Princess". Verbcatcher ( talk) 14:22, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
Anyone able to help with this one I found via Special:Random.
Not an expert on this area of history, but it needs some cleanup; any editors willing to work with me to make this a bit better than it is now? -- Easteary861 ( talk) 16:40, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
Can anyone help me source the draft for Clemens Salvator, Prince of Altenburg? Thank you, Thriley ( talk) 05:40, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
A move discussion about many articles is open at Talk:Queen of Ghana#Requested move 7 June 2022. Please comment there to generate a clear consensus. Thanks. Peter Ormond 💬 08:38, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
A move discussion about many articles is open at Talk:Sultan bin Abdulaziz#Requested move 19 May 2022. Please comment there to generate a clear consensus. Thanks. — CX Zoom[he/him] ( let's talk • { C• X}) 13:25, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
An AfD discussion is ongoing about Carina, Princess of Sayn-Wittgenstein-Berleburg. The discussion until now has primarily focused on if she meets the notability guidelines as an author. However, she is the wife of Gustav, 7th Prince of Sayn-Wittgenstein-Berleburg and I was hoping some editors here with experience in determining notability for members of royal families could share their views on if this subject meets notability guidelines. Thanks.-- SouthernNights ( talk) 13:54, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
Would appreciate input at Talk:List of longest-reigning monarchs#Request for comment on Elizabeth duality, thanks. GoodDay ( talk) 18:34, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
Please comment at Talk:Earl#Split article? to give your opinion on whether text on the Scandinavian jarl should be moved to Jarl (title), which currently redirects to Earl. Thanks. Ltwin ( talk) 01:54, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
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Should we do the following:
GoodDay ( talk) 00:14, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
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I have been working on revising the articles on rulers of the Mali Empire, which often have inconsistently structured titles, and I believe it would be a good idea to try and reach some kind of consensus about what format is preferable. This seems to be the most appropriate WikiProject at which to have this discussion. There are seven different naming conventions that were in use before I started working on these articles (I have already requested moves for some of these, so the titles are not necessarily the same now):
Though it's not relevant to this discussion, note that many of the spellings here need revision (e.g. Kassa is a non-standard transcription of قسا (Qasā), which is one of several manuscript variants along with قنبا (Qanbā) for the same name).
Sunjata and Mansa Musa are well-known enough to be subject to WP:COMMONNAME, but it would be useful to have a standardized format to favor when COMMONNAME doesn't clearly apply and a bare name+ordinal isn't clear enough. "Mansa [name]" is preferable to "[name] (mansa)" as the more natural disambiguation, and the postpositive "[name] Mansa" appears to be inaccurate. It doesn't seem clear if it's appropriate to use "[name] Keita" in most cases, and it wouldn't work for the usurpers Sākūra and Ṣandakī. "[name] ibn [father]" might be practical in some cases (e.g. Muḥammad ibn Qū and Qanbā ibn Sulaymān) but would be inappropriate in some cases (e.g. "Khalīfa ibn Mārī Jāṭa" would be a made-up, speculative name, and Sulaymān ibn Abī Bakr is rarely used) and impossible in others (e.g. Sākūra, whose father is unknown).
This leaves "[name] of Mali" and "Mansa [name]" as the two best name formats I can think of. Despite WP:NCROY saying that regnal titles are not usually included in article titles, I think that an exception should be made in this case, as nearly every mansa of Mali is often referred to as "Mansa [name]", whereas the format "[name] of Mali" is somewhat of an invention of our own to fit title conventions. As such, I propose that article titles on rulers of the Mali Empire should consistently take the format "Mansa [name]" unless a different name is clearly preferable.
One final note is that I'm not sure how appropriate the use of ordinals is here, as they seem to be only intermittently used by historians and are not present in the primary sources. What's the policy around here for applying ordinals to monarchs in societies where they were not traditionally used?
Does anyone here have any thoughts or suggestions on this matter? Pinging Doug Weller and Catjacket, both of whom I have interacted with previously on topics pertaining to the Mali Empire, and I'm going to leave notes at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Africa and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mali as well. Ornithopsis ( talk) 04:11, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
See discussion here. Input would be welcomed. GoodDay ( talk) 16:42, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
There is an ongoing discussion about the first sentence of Louis X of France, in its talk page. Your input is appreciated. Thinker78 (talk) 16:51, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
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Do we use end dates for titles, when a 'higher' title has been proclaimed? or do we continue to show the lower titles as continuing to be used?
Note: The Scottish titles/styles are not being disputed, in term of their dates. GoodDay ( talk) 18:20, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
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Comment:( Summoned by bot) As far as the content goes, I think the point A.D. Hope raises above is the most germane bit of feedback: these sections might in general benefit from a streamlined explanation of precisely the distinction A.D. raises.
However, on a more procedural ground, I want to remind everyone here that RfCs hosted at WikiProjects are very problematic: per WP:Advice pages, and multiple additional policies and ArbCom rulings, decisions generated at WikiProjects are not considered guiding consensus: you will still have to get WP:LOCALCONSENSUS every time there is a dispute about this crops up in the future, and you won't be able to point back to this discussion as project-wide consensus, as that is not permitted. In order to get consensus that can be cited on multiple articles in case of future disputes, this discussion should be taking place on the relevant MoS page. Or if, no relevant section exists, have a discussion on the talk page for a broader MoS subpage where this guidance might fit. Or last resort, make a WP:PROPOSAL to create and appropriate guideline.
In any event, definitely do not edit war over any decision reached in this discussion here, or treat any consensus here as more than advisory, because WikiProjects are not meant to be creating generalized rules and then trying to apply them to all articles perceived to be in their purview. This doesn't work for a lot of reasons, chief among them that different WikiProjects would come up for different rules for article that might be covered by the topics of both, and then there would be argument as to which rules took priority. Which is why we host discussions about content and style guidance in centralized documents like WP:PAG and WP:MoS. That's why it's better to start discussions like this on talk pages for those pages, not on WikiProjects. I'm not suggesting shutting down this discussion if there are unlikely to be disputes about this once a decision is reached, but its still probably better to move this to an MoS talk page. SnowRise let's rap 02:27, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
Why are the houses of York and Lancaster listed as Italian and Hungarian houses? EmilySarah99 ( talk) 07:50, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
Please note Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Reign of Elizabeth II. DeCausa ( talk) 22:10, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
The article on the Abbasid caliph al-Muti has been submitted for Featured Article. All interested editors are invited to participate. Constantine ✍ 18:21, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
I'm not sure if this has been discussed before;
Should there be more pages of lists of rulers from different countries with the same name even if they don't all have the same title (ie. King, Duke etc)?
We already have a few: Henry, Leopold, Robert, Rhun.
Should there be more, maybe for more common names like; Louis, George, William? WiltedXXVI ( talk) 13:12, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
We're trying to identify a statue at Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Humanities#Constantine_or_Federico_II_Hohenstaufen?, if you have knowledge. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 13:04, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Death and state funeral of Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani#Requested move 25 September 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. UtherSRG (talk) 10:50, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
That probably was cryptic... why do we care about that? This RM involves about 50 state funeral articles, including at least one that is related to this WP. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:16, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
Thought I'd request a review of Draft:Succession to the Italian throne. The article is a translation of the Italian WP equivalent. - JTF2020 ( talk) 09:59, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
Hello, all! I submitted Prince Octavius of Great Britain for a FA review a few weeks ago, but unfortunately, it has not seen a lot of engagement from users. If y'all could take a look at the nomination and give your thoughts and support, I would appreciate it! Don't worry, its not a long read (the poor prince died at the age of 4). Cheers! Unlimitedlead ( talk) 21:43, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
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Hello. Could someone re-review Draft:Edward Howard, 8th Earl of Effingham, please? -- Editor FIN ( talk) 14:24, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
A discussion has opened about updating the succession. Input would be appreciated. GoodDay ( talk) 20:12, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
Which accession date in the infobox & article body, should be used for Charles III, at the
Monarchy of Australia
Monarchy of New Zealand
Monarchy of Papua New Guinea
Monarchy of Tuvalu
Monarchy of Solomon Islands pages?
GoodDay ( talk) 16:07, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
There are a few issues here - one of them is where is the "Monarchy of New Zealand" located: is it in London (where Charles resides) or in Wellington? I would say the latter, and that leads me to prefer NZST. St Anselm ( talk) 16:31, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
Where is the "Monarchy of New Zealand" located?Inclined to the view that on Sept 8th & 9th, the Monarchy of New Zealand, & of Australia, was, verifiably, in Balmoral, Scotland. - Ryk72 talk 11:00, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
There have been two information requests sent to Australia and New Zealand regarding the date. [3] [4]-- Mike Rohsopht ( talk) 05:21, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
Time and time again, people just start votes before any discussion or comments have been received, and then think the result of a vote is what forms a consensus. Wikipedia is WP:NOTDEMOCRACY, the vote should be the last resort if through the proper discourse of discussion we cannot reach a clear consensus. By starting a vote before discussion, people pick their choice before being able to weigh up that choice against arguments already made. This is clear in the misunderstandings of what this vote is asking for above. We should first discuss reasons why for each, including sharing and interpreting of sources, and finally at the end of that come to a vote only if necessary. Remember, it's a Request for Comment, not a Request for Votes. El Dubs ( talk) 20:47, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
@ Otr500: Would you please state your position, in the 'survey section'? GoodDay ( talk) 23:08, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
Regardless of any proclamations, the late sovereign's heir immediately and automatically succeeds, without any need for confirmation or further ceremony.This leads back to when and where the sovereign met with demise. I will, after some more study, add to the appropriate section. -- Otr500 ( talk) 05:39, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
I know it's not exactly the same thing. But, the Union of South Africa approved Edward VIII's abdication on 10 December 1936 & Irish Free State didn't approve his abdication until 12 December 1936, even though the UK & the rest of the empire approved it on 11 December 1936. Makes one wonder, would we have used the 11th, with footnotes for SA (10 Dec) & the IFS (12 Dec).? GoodDay ( talk) 04:23, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
@ GoodDay: The conversation has stalled for two weeks, and we have received an answer from the New Zealand DPMC information request. You started the RFC and remained neutral, so do you wish to close the discussion? Otherwise, I am happy to put in a formal closure request. Maranello10 ( talk) 04:16, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
I've listed the article Hungarian nobility for peer review before its nomination as a FAC. The article is not short but it covers the 1000-year-long history of this class that made up almost 5% of the population of today's Hungary, Croatia, Slovakia and parts of Romania, Ukraine and Serbia from the 17th century. All comments are highly appreciated here. Thank you for your time. Borsoka ( talk) 03:43, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
Just making sure. All the articles of nobles from countries other than the UK such as Guglielmo Marconi, Salvador Dalí, Sebastião José de Carvalho e Melo, 1st Marquis of Pombal, and Luís Alves de Lima e Silva, Duke of Caxias are supposed to be under the purview of this WikiProject work group, correct? StellarHalo ( talk) 21:13, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
Should exact dates be supported for titles and styles sections? In many articles I've found this is not the case, such as Anne, Queen of Great Britain, where her title as "The Princess Anne of Denmark" is not supported by exact dates. Princess Alice, Duchess of Gloucester has no citations for her titles.
I ask because a certain editor keeps reverting my edits on Mary, Princess Royal and Countess of Harewood. I reasoned that exact dates need not used for her titles by marriage because it's incredibly she would have started using the Viscountess Lascelles or Countess of Harewood titles at a different time than her husband. The only example I know of a Princess not taking her titles husband is Princess Margaret, never being known as "Mrs Antony Armstrong-Jones", which is why this is cited separately, it is an exceptional case. Because we know Princess Mary used these titles (from my sources) is it not safe to assume that she used them when her husband did. It's not like she would have suddenly started using the Countess of Harewood title several years or even days after her husband became Earl. So, 9/10 it's safe to assume a Royal woman would use titles taking from her husband beginning at the same time he used them, is it not? Estar8806 ( talk) 23:06, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
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It has been proposed to merge the article Eskam's daughter to Eskam. Please discuss here.-- Ermenrich ( talk) 19:53, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
William III of Sicily is lacking citations and needs editors assistance. Thinker78 (talk) 18:50, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
There's a dispute regarding the inclusion of the descendants of Princess Irene of the Netherlands on Template:Dutch princes, Template:Dutch princesses, and Template:Dutch princesses by marriage.
So the issue regarding the Bourbon-Parma is that their official titles are not "Prince(ss) of the Netherlands" or "Prince(ss) of Orange-Nassau". Their titles as listed here https://www.hogeraadvanadel.nl/adel/nederlandse-adellijke-families/noord-nederlandse-adellijke-families are in the Dutch nobility, which is different from the listed royal titles mentioned and are more similar to titles such as Prince de Chimay and Prince of Waterloo. While they are undoubtedly part of the extended Dutch Royal family, so are people like Countess Eloise of Orange-Nassau and Bernardo Guillermo, who are not listed in these templates as they don't hold the titles "Prince(ss) of the Netherlands" or "Prince(ss) of Orange-Nassau". The situation with the children of Princess Irene is similar. It's worth noting that them being added here is a recent addition. 2601:249:9301:D570:AD0B:B188:D02D:CB9C ( talk) 01:07, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Politics of the United Kingdom has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Colonestarrice ( talk) 10:36, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
Options:
Note: After being twice reverted at the Coronation of Elizabeth II's page, in my attempts to bring about consistency with the intro of the Coronation of Charles III and Camilla page (thus requiring this RFC), I've chosen to respect WP:BRD on the former. This way the differences between the page intros, will highlight the topic here. GoodDay ( talk) 21:20, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
etc...would be written, or do you mean that each article would have the full list? (Being, at least in alphabetical order,
Antigua and Barbuda, Australia, The Bahamas, Belize, Canada, Grenada, Jamaica, New Zealand, Papua New Guinea, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Solomon Islands, Tuvalu, and the United Kingdom) If the full list, I recommend expanding for the purposes of the RfC (I would also link Commonwealth realms as it is in the current lead). — HTGS ( talk) 23:00, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
@ Johnbod:, you forgot to sign your 'survey' post. GoodDay ( talk) 18:10, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
B would be best since she was Queen of all realms independently, but A would be a reasonable second choice. C is woefully inadequate as to suggest she was more largely Queen of the UK, or that the others are somehow contingent on this. Likewise each of her realms should again be listed in her infobox but that’s another discussion. Timothy N-F ( talk) 01:54, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
Hello, I was hoping you all might be able to offer your expertise on a question of nomenclature. I am in the final stages of assembling material for an article on religious books (the 1550 and 1552 Ordinals) published under Edward VI's authority. Typically, these books are referred to as adjectively " Edwardine", but the more recent academic standard in referring to these texts seems to be "Edwardian". Since both seem conceptually acceptable, which is the more acceptable word so that I may adhere to the standards that you all have laid out? Thank you! ~ Pbritti ( talk) 00:36, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
I've opened an RFC up at WP:Orders, decorations and medals talkpage. Would appreciate input, there. GoodDay ( talk) 07:31, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
Would appreciate some input at this RFC. -- GoodDay ( talk) 06:56, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
Anne Boleyn has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Femke (alt) ( talk) 12:12, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
Hello WikiProject:Royalty! I am here to notify you of an ongoing RfC at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (royalty and nobility)#RFC: Article titles for Various Princesses. Hope to hear your input! Estar8806 ( talk) 03:44, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
Hello. Would anyone be able to assist me in recognising who this lady who attended Constantine II's funeral? She is seen at 5:02:56, kissing Crown Prince Pavlos. She arrived with Grand Duke Henri of Luxembourg. Thank you. - Therealscorp1an ( talk) 23:25, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
See the current discussion at Talk:Alice Auersperg. She is one of the world's foremost experts (if not *the* foremost expert) in the habits and behaviors of the Tanimbar corella (one of my favourite parrots) and she and her research have appeared in the media numerous times over the past ten years. She also seems to be a Princess of Bavaria - the second daughter of Prince Luitpold of Bavaria (b. 1951). Something which is less well-known and that I only discovered yesterday when I was looking for places to link her (new) article. I couldn't find anything more reliable on the web than blogs and forum posts mentioning this, however. Just coming here to ask if you folks have access to any books that would be reliable enough sources so this info can be added to her article. Thanks. Iloveparrots ( talk) 11:23, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
Would appreciate input concerning a recent page move, folks. GoodDay ( talk) 07:47, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
I'm just calling editors of this WikiProject to contribute to the requested move at Death and funeral of Michael I of Romania. Thanks. - Therealscorp1an ( talk) 05:34, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
In this article, it states that Albert II of Monaco is a sixth cousin once removed of Constantine II of Greece. I have been looking around for their most recent common ancestor, but I am struggling to find one. If someone could please inform me who it is and how they relate, please do! Thank you. - Therealscorp1an ( talk) 00:30, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
also in a way why they came to the funeral. Several of the royal funerals articles do this but the relevance of the relationship to the person being buried is at best WP:FANCRUFT and as an explanation for their presence it's normally WP:OR. That he was his 6th cousin is why he was there? Really? DeCausa ( talk) 09:37, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
Was wondering. In the infobox headings of (for example) Paul, Crown Prince of Greece, Alexander, Crown Prince of Yugoslavia & other such individuals. Wouldn't it be a tad more accurate to have (for example) "Former Crown Prince of Greece", "Former Crown Prince of Yugoslavia", etc? I'm not recommending changing the page name, as those were their highest titles in life. Just suggesting a change in the infobox headings, to further clarify their current status. GoodDay ( talk) 18:08, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
For example: William III of England was William II of Scotland too. What should he be displayed as in infoboxes with him as predecessor, successor, co-monarch or monarch?
This affects other monarchs, like Philip II of Spain, (I of Portugal) etc. Tim O'Doherty ( talk) 20:19, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
applying invented numbering systems … … means that option B would result in unsourced original researchAFAIK, the only UK monarch who is regularly referred to by 'joint' numbers is James VI and I, for obvious reasons. Where the other title is relevant for some reason, it can be referred to in text. This isn't substantially different from the other 'subsidiary' titles or roles that a monarch (or other head of state) may hold. Where, for some reason (such as acquiring the second kingdom) a monarch is regularly referred to by more than one title (such as James VI & I) an exception can be made, but including (fairly nominal) 'Scottish numbers' would confuse more than inform, since they are very rarely used or referred to. Pincrete ( talk) 13:15, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
I should point out, Elizabeth II was not Elizabeth I of Scotland, as Scotland isn't a sovereign state. But - William III of England 'was' William II of Scotland & Philip II of Spain was Philip I of Portugal, as Scotland (then) & Portugal were sovereign states. GoodDay ( talk) 20:31, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
What if the monarch was ruling over more than two kingdoms? Marcelus ( talk) 22:06, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
An RM that will be of interest to editors here. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 16:25, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
There is a new task force which members of the WikiProject might also be interested in: WP:CIII. Tim O'Doherty ( talk) 19:04, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
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In the interview, Meghan recalled being told at the premiere of The Lion King in London by a South African cast member that following her marriage to Harry, people in South Africa "rejoiced in the streets the same we did when Mandela was freed from prison". [1] Meghan was criticized by Mandela's grandson Mandla Mandela for the comments. [1] [2] John Kani, the only South African cast member of The Lion King, stated that he did not recall meeting Meghan, [3] and Lebo M., the film's South African composer who was at the London premiere, revealed that he could not remember discussing Mandela with her. [4]
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Consensus may determine that certain information does not improve an article.I don't see a consensus for removing it, but in the face of concerns raised by you and the other user it has now been trimmed down along with other parts of the article. Keivan.f Talk 19:29, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
In February 2021, following an investigation into racism directed at Marcus Rashford, William released a statement as president of the FA, denouncing the "racist abuse... whether on the pitch, in the stands, or on social media" as "despicable" and stating that "we all have a responsibility" to create an environment of tolerance and accountability.
William has occasionally commented on the effects of overpopulation on the wildlife of Africa, but his remarks have been criticised for not taking resource consumption and population density into consideration.
See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Duchess of Swabia. Although clearly relevant to this project it wasn't tagged as such until I did so a few minutes ago.. Pam D 09:00, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
There is a discussion at Talk:Isabella II of Spain#Spain's only queen regnant. You are welcome joining it. -- Thinker78 (talk) 05:18, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
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ICYMI, Charles III has been nominated for a GA review. Tim O'Doherty ( talk) 21:33, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
There is a proposal to make changes to how surnames of early Chinese figures are displayed in a particular infobox at Talk:Chinese surname#Proposal to make changes to a protected template regarding Chinese surnames that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Folly Mox ( talk) 12:35, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
Coronation has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Onegreatjoke ( talk) 18:24, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
Hi all. Some of you who are familiar with distinguisting regnal lists from lists of monarchs (at least more familiar than I am) may find it interesting to take a look at Talk:List of legendary monarchs of Ethiopia#Scope. Perhaps you could help a hand? Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw ( talk) 14:34, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
Hi, I'm often seeing that many of pages on various Wikipedias are named Foo of Bar (in which foo is a royal or noble title, and Bar the area that title applied to), but also include a List of foos of Bar. This makes such pages both an article about what the title means and the history of the title, and then a list of people who held that title. In a way, that makes them halfway houses between articles and lists, which is quite annoying for categorisation and linking purposes. I myself am somewhat guilty in participating in this, leading to an issue at Wikidata. So how do I prevent such issues, and (help) solve existing issues?
What conventions do we apply in such cases?
At what point should we separate the list of holders from the title article? For example, the lead sections of Duke of Brabant and Count of Flanders may still be acceptable, but Grand Prince of Vladimir#Overview and Grand Prince of Kiev#Background (a lot of which I added myself) seems to be quite a lot. How about Count of Holland, which has two sections that are not entirely devoted to a list of holders? Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw ( talk) 14:09, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
I was looking through Wikimedia and found charters of Philip VI of France, Charles V of France, and Charles VI of France. They all have the kings seals but they also have what looks like signatures beside the seals. Are those the signatures of the kings? ✠ Robertus Pius ✠ ( Talk • Contribs) 19:24, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
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Monarchies in Europe has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Onegreatjoke ( talk) 15:26, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
Is an infant with a regent considered a ruler? See for instance Chuzi II, who I presume his mother was the regent. Regards, Thinker78 (talk) 04:29, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
A discussion which may be of interest to the members of this group can be found here. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 22:50, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Nicky Hilton Rothschild#Requested move 23 June 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Wikiexplorationandhelping ( talk) 12:44, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Louis, Duke of Burgundy#Requested move 26 June 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Favonian ( talk) 10:43, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
(non-automated message) Greetings, members of WikiProject Royalty and Nobility! I have initiated a move request here that pertains to multiple royals. While participation is optional, I would appreciate any feedback! (Please note that I have not initiated this process before, so I apologize if this message is unnecessary.) Hurricane Andrew ( 444) 23:34, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
List of rulers of Provence has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 19:19, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
Hello, I have opened a discussion at Llywelyn the Great about moving the article to 'Llywelyn ab Iorwerth'. If you would like to participate please do so, particularly if you are familiar with Welsh history. Thank you, A.D.Hope ( talk) 18:14, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
There is a discussion about including said information in the lead of the page Margrethe II of Denmark. The thread is Talk:Margrethe II of Denmark#Removal of notable length of reign text from lead. Your input is appreciated. Regards, Thinker78 (talk) 20:21, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
Should we remove the word "royal" from lists and categories in which none, or not all, of the consorts were married to an actual king or equivalent royal monarch? Example: Category:Lists of duchesses features the word "royal" 14 times, but dukes and duchesses are obviously below the level of "king"/"queen". On the other hand, should we remove it from lists and categories of consorts which were all royal, so that the word "royal" is redundant? It is clear that "consorts" always refers to dynastic spouses, so there is no need to add "royal" where that is obvious. There is no List of ducal consorts of Foo, and no List of Fooian ducal consorts, anywhere on English Wikipedia. We just don't need the adjective 'ducal'. Why would we need the adjective 'royal'?
Proposed solution: Let's just get rid of all mentions of "royal" in every category and list of consorts of Foo or list of Fooian consorts, unless and until there is a separate list for non-royal consorts of Foo or Fooian consorts which makes "royal" a necessary distinguishing addition. Examples:
Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw ( talk) 15:30, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
Example: Category:Lists of duchesses features the word "royal" 14 times, but dukes and duchesses are obviously below the level of "king"/"queen".That doesn't mean they're not royal. Many European ducal and grand ducal families are considered to be royal families and have royal titles (e.g. Highness). -- Necrothesp ( talk) 15:40, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
My concern is that we are reinventing the word "consort". The word "consort" means "a husband or wife, especially of a monarch", "a companion or partner". One therefore cannot be a "consort of Bosnia". Using such fancy words where plain English would suffice risks confusing people who do not know them; worse yet, using the word incorrectly risks confusing those who do know them. Category:Consorts of Bosnia could reasonably include all married people from Bosnia. Ditto for article titles such as List of Milanese consorts. Surtsicna ( talk) 17:11, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
Keivan.f moved page List of Austrian consorts to List of Austrian royal consorts:Anyone in Austria who's married is a consort.
Srnec moved page List of Austrian royal consorts to List of Austrian consorts over redirect:includes duchesses.
Keivan.f moved page List of Prussian consorts to List of royal consorts of Prussia over redirectwithout edit summary. I'm gonna look if Keivan.f did a series of changes, and whether there was a discussion behind it anywhere, or whether these were all undiscussed moves.
Does this help? I don't think so. If I correctly understood what everyone has been saying here, this just means "List of medieval Bosnians who were married". @
Surtsicna @
Marcocapelle @
JayBeeEll you all convinced me that it was important to go for the phrasing queens consort of Bosnia
. Where were you during this RM? I could have really used your support. Now a number of people who haven't read this whole discussion (despite me linking to it and explaining everything) have voted to turn it into something else that doesn't help clarify things the way we agreed to clarify them, and you were absent. Of course, you're not required to participate, but I do feel a bit abandoned.... The Milanese RM
Talk:List of Milanese consorts#Requested move 13 July 2023 aren't doing too well either (although at least Marcocapelle supports it, thanks!). What can we best do next in order to try and have article/list names and category names of royalty and nobility align better? Right now it's people here and people there having very different discussions. Can we somehow centralise the conversation? Cheers,
Nederlandse Leeuw (
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David III of Tao has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 ( talk) 22:55, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
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Please review the following page move: [1]
Please contribute to the discussion at Talk:Katherine Karađorđević#Not even her courtesy title is "Crown Princess". Verbcatcher ( talk) 14:22, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
Anyone able to help with this one I found via Special:Random.
Not an expert on this area of history, but it needs some cleanup; any editors willing to work with me to make this a bit better than it is now? -- Easteary861 ( talk) 16:40, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
Can anyone help me source the draft for Clemens Salvator, Prince of Altenburg? Thank you, Thriley ( talk) 05:40, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
A move discussion about many articles is open at Talk:Queen of Ghana#Requested move 7 June 2022. Please comment there to generate a clear consensus. Thanks. Peter Ormond 💬 08:38, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
A move discussion about many articles is open at Talk:Sultan bin Abdulaziz#Requested move 19 May 2022. Please comment there to generate a clear consensus. Thanks. — CX Zoom[he/him] ( let's talk • { C• X}) 13:25, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
An AfD discussion is ongoing about Carina, Princess of Sayn-Wittgenstein-Berleburg. The discussion until now has primarily focused on if she meets the notability guidelines as an author. However, she is the wife of Gustav, 7th Prince of Sayn-Wittgenstein-Berleburg and I was hoping some editors here with experience in determining notability for members of royal families could share their views on if this subject meets notability guidelines. Thanks.-- SouthernNights ( talk) 13:54, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
Would appreciate input at Talk:List of longest-reigning monarchs#Request for comment on Elizabeth duality, thanks. GoodDay ( talk) 18:34, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
Please comment at Talk:Earl#Split article? to give your opinion on whether text on the Scandinavian jarl should be moved to Jarl (title), which currently redirects to Earl. Thanks. Ltwin ( talk) 01:54, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
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Should we do the following:
GoodDay ( talk) 00:14, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
Per
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I have been working on revising the articles on rulers of the Mali Empire, which often have inconsistently structured titles, and I believe it would be a good idea to try and reach some kind of consensus about what format is preferable. This seems to be the most appropriate WikiProject at which to have this discussion. There are seven different naming conventions that were in use before I started working on these articles (I have already requested moves for some of these, so the titles are not necessarily the same now):
Though it's not relevant to this discussion, note that many of the spellings here need revision (e.g. Kassa is a non-standard transcription of قسا (Qasā), which is one of several manuscript variants along with قنبا (Qanbā) for the same name).
Sunjata and Mansa Musa are well-known enough to be subject to WP:COMMONNAME, but it would be useful to have a standardized format to favor when COMMONNAME doesn't clearly apply and a bare name+ordinal isn't clear enough. "Mansa [name]" is preferable to "[name] (mansa)" as the more natural disambiguation, and the postpositive "[name] Mansa" appears to be inaccurate. It doesn't seem clear if it's appropriate to use "[name] Keita" in most cases, and it wouldn't work for the usurpers Sākūra and Ṣandakī. "[name] ibn [father]" might be practical in some cases (e.g. Muḥammad ibn Qū and Qanbā ibn Sulaymān) but would be inappropriate in some cases (e.g. "Khalīfa ibn Mārī Jāṭa" would be a made-up, speculative name, and Sulaymān ibn Abī Bakr is rarely used) and impossible in others (e.g. Sākūra, whose father is unknown).
This leaves "[name] of Mali" and "Mansa [name]" as the two best name formats I can think of. Despite WP:NCROY saying that regnal titles are not usually included in article titles, I think that an exception should be made in this case, as nearly every mansa of Mali is often referred to as "Mansa [name]", whereas the format "[name] of Mali" is somewhat of an invention of our own to fit title conventions. As such, I propose that article titles on rulers of the Mali Empire should consistently take the format "Mansa [name]" unless a different name is clearly preferable.
One final note is that I'm not sure how appropriate the use of ordinals is here, as they seem to be only intermittently used by historians and are not present in the primary sources. What's the policy around here for applying ordinals to monarchs in societies where they were not traditionally used?
Does anyone here have any thoughts or suggestions on this matter? Pinging Doug Weller and Catjacket, both of whom I have interacted with previously on topics pertaining to the Mali Empire, and I'm going to leave notes at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Africa and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mali as well. Ornithopsis ( talk) 04:11, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
See discussion here. Input would be welcomed. GoodDay ( talk) 16:42, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
There is an ongoing discussion about the first sentence of Louis X of France, in its talk page. Your input is appreciated. Thinker78 (talk) 16:51, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
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Do we use end dates for titles, when a 'higher' title has been proclaimed? or do we continue to show the lower titles as continuing to be used?
Note: The Scottish titles/styles are not being disputed, in term of their dates. GoodDay ( talk) 18:20, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
Example:
Comment:( Summoned by bot) As far as the content goes, I think the point A.D. Hope raises above is the most germane bit of feedback: these sections might in general benefit from a streamlined explanation of precisely the distinction A.D. raises.
However, on a more procedural ground, I want to remind everyone here that RfCs hosted at WikiProjects are very problematic: per WP:Advice pages, and multiple additional policies and ArbCom rulings, decisions generated at WikiProjects are not considered guiding consensus: you will still have to get WP:LOCALCONSENSUS every time there is a dispute about this crops up in the future, and you won't be able to point back to this discussion as project-wide consensus, as that is not permitted. In order to get consensus that can be cited on multiple articles in case of future disputes, this discussion should be taking place on the relevant MoS page. Or if, no relevant section exists, have a discussion on the talk page for a broader MoS subpage where this guidance might fit. Or last resort, make a WP:PROPOSAL to create and appropriate guideline.
In any event, definitely do not edit war over any decision reached in this discussion here, or treat any consensus here as more than advisory, because WikiProjects are not meant to be creating generalized rules and then trying to apply them to all articles perceived to be in their purview. This doesn't work for a lot of reasons, chief among them that different WikiProjects would come up for different rules for article that might be covered by the topics of both, and then there would be argument as to which rules took priority. Which is why we host discussions about content and style guidance in centralized documents like WP:PAG and WP:MoS. That's why it's better to start discussions like this on talk pages for those pages, not on WikiProjects. I'm not suggesting shutting down this discussion if there are unlikely to be disputes about this once a decision is reached, but its still probably better to move this to an MoS talk page. SnowRise let's rap 02:27, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
Why are the houses of York and Lancaster listed as Italian and Hungarian houses? EmilySarah99 ( talk) 07:50, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
Please note Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Reign of Elizabeth II. DeCausa ( talk) 22:10, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
The article on the Abbasid caliph al-Muti has been submitted for Featured Article. All interested editors are invited to participate. Constantine ✍ 18:21, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
I'm not sure if this has been discussed before;
Should there be more pages of lists of rulers from different countries with the same name even if they don't all have the same title (ie. King, Duke etc)?
We already have a few: Henry, Leopold, Robert, Rhun.
Should there be more, maybe for more common names like; Louis, George, William? WiltedXXVI ( talk) 13:12, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
We're trying to identify a statue at Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Humanities#Constantine_or_Federico_II_Hohenstaufen?, if you have knowledge. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 13:04, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Death and state funeral of Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani#Requested move 25 September 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. UtherSRG (talk) 10:50, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
That probably was cryptic... why do we care about that? This RM involves about 50 state funeral articles, including at least one that is related to this WP. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:16, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
Thought I'd request a review of Draft:Succession to the Italian throne. The article is a translation of the Italian WP equivalent. - JTF2020 ( talk) 09:59, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
Hello, all! I submitted Prince Octavius of Great Britain for a FA review a few weeks ago, but unfortunately, it has not seen a lot of engagement from users. If y'all could take a look at the nomination and give your thoughts and support, I would appreciate it! Don't worry, its not a long read (the poor prince died at the age of 4). Cheers! Unlimitedlead ( talk) 21:43, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
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Hello. Could someone re-review Draft:Edward Howard, 8th Earl of Effingham, please? -- Editor FIN ( talk) 14:24, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
A discussion has opened about updating the succession. Input would be appreciated. GoodDay ( talk) 20:12, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
Which accession date in the infobox & article body, should be used for Charles III, at the
Monarchy of Australia
Monarchy of New Zealand
Monarchy of Papua New Guinea
Monarchy of Tuvalu
Monarchy of Solomon Islands pages?
GoodDay ( talk) 16:07, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
There are a few issues here - one of them is where is the "Monarchy of New Zealand" located: is it in London (where Charles resides) or in Wellington? I would say the latter, and that leads me to prefer NZST. St Anselm ( talk) 16:31, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
Where is the "Monarchy of New Zealand" located?Inclined to the view that on Sept 8th & 9th, the Monarchy of New Zealand, & of Australia, was, verifiably, in Balmoral, Scotland. - Ryk72 talk 11:00, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
There have been two information requests sent to Australia and New Zealand regarding the date. [3] [4]-- Mike Rohsopht ( talk) 05:21, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
Time and time again, people just start votes before any discussion or comments have been received, and then think the result of a vote is what forms a consensus. Wikipedia is WP:NOTDEMOCRACY, the vote should be the last resort if through the proper discourse of discussion we cannot reach a clear consensus. By starting a vote before discussion, people pick their choice before being able to weigh up that choice against arguments already made. This is clear in the misunderstandings of what this vote is asking for above. We should first discuss reasons why for each, including sharing and interpreting of sources, and finally at the end of that come to a vote only if necessary. Remember, it's a Request for Comment, not a Request for Votes. El Dubs ( talk) 20:47, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
@ Otr500: Would you please state your position, in the 'survey section'? GoodDay ( talk) 23:08, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
Regardless of any proclamations, the late sovereign's heir immediately and automatically succeeds, without any need for confirmation or further ceremony.This leads back to when and where the sovereign met with demise. I will, after some more study, add to the appropriate section. -- Otr500 ( talk) 05:39, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
I know it's not exactly the same thing. But, the Union of South Africa approved Edward VIII's abdication on 10 December 1936 & Irish Free State didn't approve his abdication until 12 December 1936, even though the UK & the rest of the empire approved it on 11 December 1936. Makes one wonder, would we have used the 11th, with footnotes for SA (10 Dec) & the IFS (12 Dec).? GoodDay ( talk) 04:23, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
@ GoodDay: The conversation has stalled for two weeks, and we have received an answer from the New Zealand DPMC information request. You started the RFC and remained neutral, so do you wish to close the discussion? Otherwise, I am happy to put in a formal closure request. Maranello10 ( talk) 04:16, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
I've listed the article Hungarian nobility for peer review before its nomination as a FAC. The article is not short but it covers the 1000-year-long history of this class that made up almost 5% of the population of today's Hungary, Croatia, Slovakia and parts of Romania, Ukraine and Serbia from the 17th century. All comments are highly appreciated here. Thank you for your time. Borsoka ( talk) 03:43, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
Just making sure. All the articles of nobles from countries other than the UK such as Guglielmo Marconi, Salvador Dalí, Sebastião José de Carvalho e Melo, 1st Marquis of Pombal, and Luís Alves de Lima e Silva, Duke of Caxias are supposed to be under the purview of this WikiProject work group, correct? StellarHalo ( talk) 21:13, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
Should exact dates be supported for titles and styles sections? In many articles I've found this is not the case, such as Anne, Queen of Great Britain, where her title as "The Princess Anne of Denmark" is not supported by exact dates. Princess Alice, Duchess of Gloucester has no citations for her titles.
I ask because a certain editor keeps reverting my edits on Mary, Princess Royal and Countess of Harewood. I reasoned that exact dates need not used for her titles by marriage because it's incredibly she would have started using the Viscountess Lascelles or Countess of Harewood titles at a different time than her husband. The only example I know of a Princess not taking her titles husband is Princess Margaret, never being known as "Mrs Antony Armstrong-Jones", which is why this is cited separately, it is an exceptional case. Because we know Princess Mary used these titles (from my sources) is it not safe to assume that she used them when her husband did. It's not like she would have suddenly started using the Countess of Harewood title several years or even days after her husband became Earl. So, 9/10 it's safe to assume a Royal woman would use titles taking from her husband beginning at the same time he used them, is it not? Estar8806 ( talk) 23:06, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
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It has been proposed to merge the article Eskam's daughter to Eskam. Please discuss here.-- Ermenrich ( talk) 19:53, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
William III of Sicily is lacking citations and needs editors assistance. Thinker78 (talk) 18:50, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
There's a dispute regarding the inclusion of the descendants of Princess Irene of the Netherlands on Template:Dutch princes, Template:Dutch princesses, and Template:Dutch princesses by marriage.
So the issue regarding the Bourbon-Parma is that their official titles are not "Prince(ss) of the Netherlands" or "Prince(ss) of Orange-Nassau". Their titles as listed here https://www.hogeraadvanadel.nl/adel/nederlandse-adellijke-families/noord-nederlandse-adellijke-families are in the Dutch nobility, which is different from the listed royal titles mentioned and are more similar to titles such as Prince de Chimay and Prince of Waterloo. While they are undoubtedly part of the extended Dutch Royal family, so are people like Countess Eloise of Orange-Nassau and Bernardo Guillermo, who are not listed in these templates as they don't hold the titles "Prince(ss) of the Netherlands" or "Prince(ss) of Orange-Nassau". The situation with the children of Princess Irene is similar. It's worth noting that them being added here is a recent addition. 2601:249:9301:D570:AD0B:B188:D02D:CB9C ( talk) 01:07, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Politics of the United Kingdom has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Colonestarrice ( talk) 10:36, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
Options:
Note: After being twice reverted at the Coronation of Elizabeth II's page, in my attempts to bring about consistency with the intro of the Coronation of Charles III and Camilla page (thus requiring this RFC), I've chosen to respect WP:BRD on the former. This way the differences between the page intros, will highlight the topic here. GoodDay ( talk) 21:20, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
etc...would be written, or do you mean that each article would have the full list? (Being, at least in alphabetical order,
Antigua and Barbuda, Australia, The Bahamas, Belize, Canada, Grenada, Jamaica, New Zealand, Papua New Guinea, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Solomon Islands, Tuvalu, and the United Kingdom) If the full list, I recommend expanding for the purposes of the RfC (I would also link Commonwealth realms as it is in the current lead). — HTGS ( talk) 23:00, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
@ Johnbod:, you forgot to sign your 'survey' post. GoodDay ( talk) 18:10, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
B would be best since she was Queen of all realms independently, but A would be a reasonable second choice. C is woefully inadequate as to suggest she was more largely Queen of the UK, or that the others are somehow contingent on this. Likewise each of her realms should again be listed in her infobox but that’s another discussion. Timothy N-F ( talk) 01:54, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
Hello, I was hoping you all might be able to offer your expertise on a question of nomenclature. I am in the final stages of assembling material for an article on religious books (the 1550 and 1552 Ordinals) published under Edward VI's authority. Typically, these books are referred to as adjectively " Edwardine", but the more recent academic standard in referring to these texts seems to be "Edwardian". Since both seem conceptually acceptable, which is the more acceptable word so that I may adhere to the standards that you all have laid out? Thank you! ~ Pbritti ( talk) 00:36, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
I've opened an RFC up at WP:Orders, decorations and medals talkpage. Would appreciate input, there. GoodDay ( talk) 07:31, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
Would appreciate some input at this RFC. -- GoodDay ( talk) 06:56, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
Anne Boleyn has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Femke (alt) ( talk) 12:12, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
Hello WikiProject:Royalty! I am here to notify you of an ongoing RfC at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (royalty and nobility)#RFC: Article titles for Various Princesses. Hope to hear your input! Estar8806 ( talk) 03:44, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
Hello. Would anyone be able to assist me in recognising who this lady who attended Constantine II's funeral? She is seen at 5:02:56, kissing Crown Prince Pavlos. She arrived with Grand Duke Henri of Luxembourg. Thank you. - Therealscorp1an ( talk) 23:25, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
See the current discussion at Talk:Alice Auersperg. She is one of the world's foremost experts (if not *the* foremost expert) in the habits and behaviors of the Tanimbar corella (one of my favourite parrots) and she and her research have appeared in the media numerous times over the past ten years. She also seems to be a Princess of Bavaria - the second daughter of Prince Luitpold of Bavaria (b. 1951). Something which is less well-known and that I only discovered yesterday when I was looking for places to link her (new) article. I couldn't find anything more reliable on the web than blogs and forum posts mentioning this, however. Just coming here to ask if you folks have access to any books that would be reliable enough sources so this info can be added to her article. Thanks. Iloveparrots ( talk) 11:23, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
Would appreciate input concerning a recent page move, folks. GoodDay ( talk) 07:47, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
I'm just calling editors of this WikiProject to contribute to the requested move at Death and funeral of Michael I of Romania. Thanks. - Therealscorp1an ( talk) 05:34, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
In this article, it states that Albert II of Monaco is a sixth cousin once removed of Constantine II of Greece. I have been looking around for their most recent common ancestor, but I am struggling to find one. If someone could please inform me who it is and how they relate, please do! Thank you. - Therealscorp1an ( talk) 00:30, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
also in a way why they came to the funeral. Several of the royal funerals articles do this but the relevance of the relationship to the person being buried is at best WP:FANCRUFT and as an explanation for their presence it's normally WP:OR. That he was his 6th cousin is why he was there? Really? DeCausa ( talk) 09:37, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
Was wondering. In the infobox headings of (for example) Paul, Crown Prince of Greece, Alexander, Crown Prince of Yugoslavia & other such individuals. Wouldn't it be a tad more accurate to have (for example) "Former Crown Prince of Greece", "Former Crown Prince of Yugoslavia", etc? I'm not recommending changing the page name, as those were their highest titles in life. Just suggesting a change in the infobox headings, to further clarify their current status. GoodDay ( talk) 18:08, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
For example: William III of England was William II of Scotland too. What should he be displayed as in infoboxes with him as predecessor, successor, co-monarch or monarch?
This affects other monarchs, like Philip II of Spain, (I of Portugal) etc. Tim O'Doherty ( talk) 20:19, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
applying invented numbering systems … … means that option B would result in unsourced original researchAFAIK, the only UK monarch who is regularly referred to by 'joint' numbers is James VI and I, for obvious reasons. Where the other title is relevant for some reason, it can be referred to in text. This isn't substantially different from the other 'subsidiary' titles or roles that a monarch (or other head of state) may hold. Where, for some reason (such as acquiring the second kingdom) a monarch is regularly referred to by more than one title (such as James VI & I) an exception can be made, but including (fairly nominal) 'Scottish numbers' would confuse more than inform, since they are very rarely used or referred to. Pincrete ( talk) 13:15, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
I should point out, Elizabeth II was not Elizabeth I of Scotland, as Scotland isn't a sovereign state. But - William III of England 'was' William II of Scotland & Philip II of Spain was Philip I of Portugal, as Scotland (then) & Portugal were sovereign states. GoodDay ( talk) 20:31, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
What if the monarch was ruling over more than two kingdoms? Marcelus ( talk) 22:06, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
An RM that will be of interest to editors here. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 16:25, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
There is a new task force which members of the WikiProject might also be interested in: WP:CIII. Tim O'Doherty ( talk) 19:04, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
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In the interview, Meghan recalled being told at the premiere of The Lion King in London by a South African cast member that following her marriage to Harry, people in South Africa "rejoiced in the streets the same we did when Mandela was freed from prison". [1] Meghan was criticized by Mandela's grandson Mandla Mandela for the comments. [1] [2] John Kani, the only South African cast member of The Lion King, stated that he did not recall meeting Meghan, [3] and Lebo M., the film's South African composer who was at the London premiere, revealed that he could not remember discussing Mandela with her. [4]
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Consensus may determine that certain information does not improve an article.I don't see a consensus for removing it, but in the face of concerns raised by you and the other user it has now been trimmed down along with other parts of the article. Keivan.f Talk 19:29, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
In February 2021, following an investigation into racism directed at Marcus Rashford, William released a statement as president of the FA, denouncing the "racist abuse... whether on the pitch, in the stands, or on social media" as "despicable" and stating that "we all have a responsibility" to create an environment of tolerance and accountability.
William has occasionally commented on the effects of overpopulation on the wildlife of Africa, but his remarks have been criticised for not taking resource consumption and population density into consideration.
See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Duchess of Swabia. Although clearly relevant to this project it wasn't tagged as such until I did so a few minutes ago.. Pam D 09:00, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
There is a discussion at Talk:Isabella II of Spain#Spain's only queen regnant. You are welcome joining it. -- Thinker78 (talk) 05:18, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
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ICYMI, Charles III has been nominated for a GA review. Tim O'Doherty ( talk) 21:33, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
There is a proposal to make changes to how surnames of early Chinese figures are displayed in a particular infobox at Talk:Chinese surname#Proposal to make changes to a protected template regarding Chinese surnames that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Folly Mox ( talk) 12:35, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
Coronation has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Onegreatjoke ( talk) 18:24, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
Hi all. Some of you who are familiar with distinguisting regnal lists from lists of monarchs (at least more familiar than I am) may find it interesting to take a look at Talk:List of legendary monarchs of Ethiopia#Scope. Perhaps you could help a hand? Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw ( talk) 14:34, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
Hi, I'm often seeing that many of pages on various Wikipedias are named Foo of Bar (in which foo is a royal or noble title, and Bar the area that title applied to), but also include a List of foos of Bar. This makes such pages both an article about what the title means and the history of the title, and then a list of people who held that title. In a way, that makes them halfway houses between articles and lists, which is quite annoying for categorisation and linking purposes. I myself am somewhat guilty in participating in this, leading to an issue at Wikidata. So how do I prevent such issues, and (help) solve existing issues?
What conventions do we apply in such cases?
At what point should we separate the list of holders from the title article? For example, the lead sections of Duke of Brabant and Count of Flanders may still be acceptable, but Grand Prince of Vladimir#Overview and Grand Prince of Kiev#Background (a lot of which I added myself) seems to be quite a lot. How about Count of Holland, which has two sections that are not entirely devoted to a list of holders? Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw ( talk) 14:09, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
I was looking through Wikimedia and found charters of Philip VI of France, Charles V of France, and Charles VI of France. They all have the kings seals but they also have what looks like signatures beside the seals. Are those the signatures of the kings? ✠ Robertus Pius ✠ ( Talk • Contribs) 19:24, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
Caligula has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 ( talk) 12:48, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
Monarchies in Europe has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Onegreatjoke ( talk) 15:26, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
Is an infant with a regent considered a ruler? See for instance Chuzi II, who I presume his mother was the regent. Regards, Thinker78 (talk) 04:29, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
A discussion which may be of interest to the members of this group can be found here. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 22:50, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Nicky Hilton Rothschild#Requested move 23 June 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Wikiexplorationandhelping ( talk) 12:44, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Louis, Duke of Burgundy#Requested move 26 June 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Favonian ( talk) 10:43, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
(non-automated message) Greetings, members of WikiProject Royalty and Nobility! I have initiated a move request here that pertains to multiple royals. While participation is optional, I would appreciate any feedback! (Please note that I have not initiated this process before, so I apologize if this message is unnecessary.) Hurricane Andrew ( 444) 23:34, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
List of rulers of Provence has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 19:19, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
Hello, I have opened a discussion at Llywelyn the Great about moving the article to 'Llywelyn ab Iorwerth'. If you would like to participate please do so, particularly if you are familiar with Welsh history. Thank you, A.D.Hope ( talk) 18:14, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
There is a discussion about including said information in the lead of the page Margrethe II of Denmark. The thread is Talk:Margrethe II of Denmark#Removal of notable length of reign text from lead. Your input is appreciated. Regards, Thinker78 (talk) 20:21, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
Should we remove the word "royal" from lists and categories in which none, or not all, of the consorts were married to an actual king or equivalent royal monarch? Example: Category:Lists of duchesses features the word "royal" 14 times, but dukes and duchesses are obviously below the level of "king"/"queen". On the other hand, should we remove it from lists and categories of consorts which were all royal, so that the word "royal" is redundant? It is clear that "consorts" always refers to dynastic spouses, so there is no need to add "royal" where that is obvious. There is no List of ducal consorts of Foo, and no List of Fooian ducal consorts, anywhere on English Wikipedia. We just don't need the adjective 'ducal'. Why would we need the adjective 'royal'?
Proposed solution: Let's just get rid of all mentions of "royal" in every category and list of consorts of Foo or list of Fooian consorts, unless and until there is a separate list for non-royal consorts of Foo or Fooian consorts which makes "royal" a necessary distinguishing addition. Examples:
Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw ( talk) 15:30, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
Example: Category:Lists of duchesses features the word "royal" 14 times, but dukes and duchesses are obviously below the level of "king"/"queen".That doesn't mean they're not royal. Many European ducal and grand ducal families are considered to be royal families and have royal titles (e.g. Highness). -- Necrothesp ( talk) 15:40, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
My concern is that we are reinventing the word "consort". The word "consort" means "a husband or wife, especially of a monarch", "a companion or partner". One therefore cannot be a "consort of Bosnia". Using such fancy words where plain English would suffice risks confusing people who do not know them; worse yet, using the word incorrectly risks confusing those who do know them. Category:Consorts of Bosnia could reasonably include all married people from Bosnia. Ditto for article titles such as List of Milanese consorts. Surtsicna ( talk) 17:11, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
Keivan.f moved page List of Austrian consorts to List of Austrian royal consorts:Anyone in Austria who's married is a consort.
Srnec moved page List of Austrian royal consorts to List of Austrian consorts over redirect:includes duchesses.
Keivan.f moved page List of Prussian consorts to List of royal consorts of Prussia over redirectwithout edit summary. I'm gonna look if Keivan.f did a series of changes, and whether there was a discussion behind it anywhere, or whether these were all undiscussed moves.
Does this help? I don't think so. If I correctly understood what everyone has been saying here, this just means "List of medieval Bosnians who were married". @
Surtsicna @
Marcocapelle @
JayBeeEll you all convinced me that it was important to go for the phrasing queens consort of Bosnia
. Where were you during this RM? I could have really used your support. Now a number of people who haven't read this whole discussion (despite me linking to it and explaining everything) have voted to turn it into something else that doesn't help clarify things the way we agreed to clarify them, and you were absent. Of course, you're not required to participate, but I do feel a bit abandoned.... The Milanese RM
Talk:List of Milanese consorts#Requested move 13 July 2023 aren't doing too well either (although at least Marcocapelle supports it, thanks!). What can we best do next in order to try and have article/list names and category names of royalty and nobility align better? Right now it's people here and people there having very different discussions. Can we somehow centralise the conversation? Cheers,
Nederlandse Leeuw (
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13:53, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
David III of Tao has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 ( talk) 22:55, 6 August 2023 (UTC)