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A couple of us have come up with a revolutionary idea for year articles. We thought it would be better if every year article was an actual article instead of a list of events. We made an example: 1345. I made the map of Asia for it (though I must admit I'm a novice and it's not that great), and I think it would be wonderful if every year article had a map of the world (or at least of Europe and Asia) on it. This would especially be important for the earlier years, like 1345. Then everyone could see what the world looked like in each year. I've noticed there are already some cool maps like this, for example Image:East-Hem 900ad.jpg.
Anyway, please feel free to add to the discussion on whether we should turn year articles into prose. - Tea and crumpets ( t c) 03:09, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
It could be done with a new parameter in coordinates templates: _country_year(1460-1470) for a state that existed from 1460 to 1470, for example. The user could select the year (1473, for example) and the map could show all the points of this year. —Preceding
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Article(s): University of Oklahoma, and possibly Norman, Oklahoma and other University related articles
Request: -- I'm hoping somebody with graphic design skills can create a map in either PNG or SVG similar to Image:MSU campus map.png for the University of Oklahoma. It would actually be two separate maps, one for the main campus and one for the south campus.
On Google Maps, this link shows the main campus which is already grayed. For the south campus, this map shows the area and it would be from E. Constitution on the north to Hwy 9 on the south and Jenkins on the west to Dewey on the east.
I would be happy to answer any further answers if needed.↔ NMajdan• talk 21:05, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
Graphist opinion:
I'm doing research on an article about the various flight routes that people took from German-occupied Norway to neutral Sweden during World War II. Ideally, this should be done on a map that showed the geographical features (mountains, valleys, lakes, rivers) for the various sections where the escapes occured; and that I could plot the routes point by point. If someone could point me to the right resources to figure out how to do all this, I'd be appreciative. I'll check back here, but also feel free to respond on my talk page. -- Leifern ( talk) 18:57, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Hi Valakkpp ( talk) 16:23, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/9/9e/20080201221317%21Submarine_cables.png
linked from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine_communications_cable
1) several lines beginning on the US west coast end at the left side of the map when they should probably continue to Japan and Asia from the right side of the map. For example http://www.telegeography.com/products/map_cable/index.php this map does have the lines terminate in Asia instead of in the Pacific Ocean.
2) one red and one blue line leave from the Denmark/Netherlands area and terminate in the North Atlantic (undersea cables usually terminate at population centers)
3) red represent active cables, blue represent inactive cables but there is no key for the green line between Australia and Tasmania
4) no key explaining the meaning of the dark red line in Alaska
5) the dark red line in Alaska. Undersea cables are usually undersea not above ground.
6) there is no key for the gray dashed lines from the US to China and also seen in the Caribbean
I attempted to address these issues with the author but I was either too unclear or he preferred building strawmen and ignoring questions. I hope these issues can be dealt with or explained.
previous discussion: http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=User_talk:Rarelibra&direction=prev&oldid=188434665#Map_of_submarine_cables_throughout_the_world http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:74.139.185.198#Sub_cable_map 74.139.185.198 ( talk) 03:18, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I know this is a tad more complex than most but I was wondering if anyone was willing to look into creating a map of the European Quarter in Brussels for Brussels and the European Union. I've been trying to do it myself basing the street layout on Google maps and overlaying the locations from here but my graphics skills aren't any where good enough for something this complex. Just trying to get the outline of Parliament here ended in me producing something akin to a kids painting. If anyone is interested, please contact me on my talk page, I'd be most grateful. Thanks. - J Logan t: 21:44, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
See my post at Template_talk:Fact#Version_for_maps.3F. Comments much appreciated.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 23:15, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
No Valakkpp ( talk) 16:24, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
I want to draw a map of the troop movements and battles of the second Punic War with gimp. for this I need crossed swords (if possible a blue and a red set) without background and a map of the whole Mediterranean (including Gades in Spain and Pergamon in Turkey, northern Italy and northern Africa) to show the complete range of naval and land operations. Does anyone have an idea where I can find this material on commons or with a free licence? Wandalstouring ( talk) 19:17, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
I got so far(218BC-213BC). Black crosses are battles, green borders and red Roman movement and blue Carthaginian movement. The Carthaginian movement in northern Italy isn't clear(take one solution, I will try to clarify this issue). The Green area in northern Italy around the Po valley is Gaul, half of which become insurgent with the arrival of Hannibal(the northern tribes are loyal to Rome, the southern tribes rebel). Thanks for turning it into a decent map. Wandalstouring ( talk) 10:01, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi folks,
Can I get some informed feedback on Image:North Island (Houtman Abrolhos).svg. This is my first serious attempt at making a vector map, and my first use of Inkscape. I'd like to get this rather simple map right rather than carry on and make the same mistakes on more complicated maps.
Is it framed right? Is there too much information?
Are the colours right? Would the infrastructure be better in black rather than grey?
Are the text labels okay? Is the font appropriate? Is the font size right?
I've italicised common nouns like lighthouse but left proper names unitalicised. Is this acceptable, or have I unknowingly violated some mapping convention?
"Shag Rock", "North Point", "South Point" and "Northwest Hill" are common but not gazetted names - does putting them in quotes work? Should non-gazetted names appear at all?
Should the island itself be labelled, or can that be taken for granted? Should the surrounding water bodies be labelled?
Is trig acceptable, or must I write trig station or trig point?
Would the hills and lighthouse be better represented by icons rather than dots?
Should I convert the text to strokes?
Hesperian 11:49, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks guys. I have made a number of changes in response to Kmusser, and others on my talk page. I will have a crack at Bamse' comments over the next day or so. Hesperian 02:18, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Hello everyone. I'm working on svg conversion of my Image:Rzeczpospolita 1920.png (well, AAMoF I'm recreating it). So far I was fairly successful and the new map ( Image:Rzeczpospolita 1938.svg) started to look nice. However, I recently added texts to it and all of a sudden the map stopped showing when I uploaded a new version to Commons.
At first I used the standard Arial font, then gave the default one a try - to no avail. The map doesn't show on the image page, nor does it resize properly in articles. Any idea what might have went wrong? Any suggestions? // Halibu tt 22:26, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
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In this picture the border between East and West Germany in this image is not at all where it should be, see Inner German border. It is just some kind of circle segment. West Berlin ist also misssing (i.e. a part of East Germany).
I contacted the author twice (see User talk:Bože pravde#Wrong Inner German border and commons:User talk:Bože pravde#Wrong Inner German border), but he is not reacting. Can anyone help please? -- Abe Lincoln ( talk) 08:54, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks a lot. -- Abe Lincoln ( talk) 13:28, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
A conversation about the current maps used to represent the constituent countries has been started at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_UK_geography#Something_amiss_in_Scotland. This discussion is hopefully to resolve issues that have been raised and to try to set a standard within the UK. For all those that wish to comment on this, your input is requested. Thank-you :-) -- UKPhoenix79 ( talk) 00:46, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
I am considering drawing a map (SVG of course!) of an island located in the Stockholm archipelago. This island has a lighthouse. Does anybody know what symbol to use? Please, help me! -- Astor Piazzolla ( talk) 11:11, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
I have created the above maps. I hope you all don't mind that I was WP:BOLD and added them to the relative articles myself. I really don't want to create any edit wars I just want to see what others think and hopefully bring this to a nice consensus on what to use. I hate the idea that other countries seam to be more organized then us with these things, so I hope you think the new one looks professional... I'm actually kinda pleased :-) Please voice your opinion over at Talk:Scotland#Straw_Poll I know I'd personally love to hear your opinions! Thanks -- UKPhoenix79 ( talk) 05:11, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
The two threads below have been on the talk page for a long time now. I've also noticed that many people are already following its suggestions, such as in the example to the right. I recommend that we vote on moving these guidelines out of the talk section onto the main project page. Please vote Support, Oppose or Comment. Tomcool ( talk) 18:49, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
The goal of a free, on-line encyclopedia is furthered when maps are properly designed with a clear, consistent look and feel. The following are the standard colors for maps:
Color | Hex | RGB | Sample | Used for | |||||||||||||||||
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Black | #000000 | 0, 0, 0 | Primary label color | ||||||||||||||||||
Brown | #A08070 | 160, 128, 112 | Political borders. Country, state, and province borders should be brown. | ||||||||||||||||||
Light brown | #D0C0A0 | 208, 192, 160 | Secondary political borders. | ||||||||||||||||||
Light yellow | #FFFFD0 | 255, 255, 208 | Primary territory of interest, or one of four choices for four-color maps. | ||||||||||||||||||
Pink | #FFD0D0 | 255, 208, 208 | Another color to be used for four-color maps. | ||||||||||||||||||
Orange | #F8A20C | 248, 162, 12 | A third color to be used for four-color maps. | ||||||||||||||||||
Green | #3CE67B | 60, 230, 123 | A fourth color to be used for four-color maps. | ||||||||||||||||||
Light blue | #CEFEF2 | 206, 254, 242 | An alternate color to be used for four-color maps. | ||||||||||||||||||
Orange | #F7D3AA | 247, 211, 170 | Alternative color for the above Tan (surrounding territories). | ||||||||||||||||||
Medium blue | #9EC7F3 | 158, 199, 243 | Bodies of water. Oceans or lakes. | ||||||||||||||||||
Blue | #1821DE | 24, 33, 222 | Water borders, if necessary. For lake or ocean borders that need a color contrasting with surrounding land, or for rivers. | ||||||||||||||||||
Red | #B00000 | 176, 0, 0 | Points of interest. Cities, especially. | Red | #B00000 | 176, 0, 0 | Red | #B00000 | 176, 0, 0 | Red | #B00000 | 176, 0, 0 | Red | #B00000 | 176, 0, 0 | Points of interest. Cities, especially. | |||||
Red-orange | #F07568 | 240, 117, 104 | Alternative color for the above Red (points of interest). | ||||||||||||||||||
Medium red | #E0584E | 224, 88, 78 | Border color for areas highlighted in Red-orange | ||||||||||||||||||
Green | #A0F090 | 160, 240, 144 | Parks or natural preservation areas |
The following is a gallery of exemplar maps:
Move the Map Colors table below to the main Wikiproject Maps page, with language that these are the recommended, standard colors for maps in Wikipedia.
Move the Gallery of Exemplars out to the main Wikiproject Maps page, with language that these maps are examples of standard maps in Wikipedia.
As I suggested in the Map Colors discussion below, having a gallery of exemplars might help to advance our discussion of standards. These exemplars might also serve as an interim standards for mapmakers to use until the project establishes standards. Since mapmaking (and reading) are extremely visual, it helps to be able to see what people are talking about. Here is a suggestion of what such a gallery might look like:
People could then add, delete or change the comments as the discussion on standards advances. Tomcool 13:46, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
We need to come up with a standard palette of colors to recommend for use in all geographical maps. The previous use of "Pink" (FF0D0) and "Lavender" (F2D0FF) as third and fourth colors for four-color maps is unworkable.
Color | Hex | RGB | Sample | Used for |
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Black | #000000 | 0, 0, 0 | Primary label color | |
Brown | #A08070 | 160, 128, 112 | Political borders. Country, state, and province borders should be brown. | |
Light brown | #D0C0A0 | 208, 192, 160 | Secondary political borders. | |
Light yellow | #FFFFD0 | 255, 255, 208 | Primary territory of interest, or one of four choices for four-color maps. | |
Pink | #FFD0D0 | 255, 208, 208 | Another color to be used for four-color maps. | |
Orange | #F8A20C | 248, 162, 12 | A third color to be used for four-color maps. | |
Green | #3CE67B | 60, 230, 123 | A fourth color to be used for four-color maps. | |
Light blue | #CEFEF2 | 206, 254, 242 | An alternate color to be used for four-color maps. | |
Orange | #F7D3AA | 247, 211, 170 | Alternative color for the above Tan (surrounding territories). | |
Medium blue | #9EC7F3 | 158, 199, 243 | Bodies of water. Oceans or lakes. | |
Blue | #1821DE | 24, 33, 222 | Water borders, if necessary. For lake or ocean borders that need a color contrasting with surrounding land, or for rivers. | |
Red | #B00000 | 176, 0, 0 | Points of interest. Cities, especially. | |
Red-orange | #F07568 | 240, 117, 104 | Alternative color for the above Red (points of interest). | |
Medium red | #E0584E | 224, 88, 78 | Border color for areas highlighted in Red-orange | |
Green | #A0F090 | 160, 240, 144 | Parks or natural preservation areas |
Feel free to add or revise the colors above and suggest new colors for specific purposes.
I would consider that we adopt the pallette of color brewer. SCmurky 23:49, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
Also I would have to say I disagree with any efforts to limit color choices within cloropleth maps (eg. pink, green, red, blue for a 4-color map), no matter the number of classes. Colorbrewer has a large palette, this would offer some standardization for colors, without limiting choice (eg. pastel vs. darker colors). SCmurky 17:40, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
See Dospat Dam for an example. Isn't there a way to ensure that they stay in an appropriate position? e.g., above the line - or below the line, but not running through the line?? -- Martha ( talk) 04:06, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
This is my
first attempt at a map, made by combining a satellite photo with an orthogonal map. However the horizontal scale is visibly different on the two. Is it "fair" to stretch the satellite photo to match the scale of the orthogonal map?! If so, is there a (relatively) simple way I can be sure I am doing it accurately? Or, could I somehow make the satellite map orthogonal? Any suggestions will be welcome. —
Martha (
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07:13, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
What you'll see here now is a complete re-make of the map. I think it's an improvement. I tinkered with the scaling of the photo, using the blank orthogonal map as a reference point (I realize that's not terribly precise, but I do tend to be terribly careful, so I don't think it was a bad job - actually it only seemed to need a little vertical stretching (so why did the original LOOK so bad? maybe because the photo needs more sensitive correcting - all I could take into account were the extreme N-S-E-W points). Then, instead of referring my segment to the orthogonal map, I simply cut it out of the original (adjusted) photo, cleaned up so you can see the outline of the country, and reduced that to an appropriate size. I rather like this myself - do you experienced folk have an opinion? Once it's "good enough" I plan to move the image to Commons, and put it on the Dospat Dam page. -- Martha ( talk) 22:38, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
hi, would it be possible to get someone to reproduce the map at the extreme bottom of this page? -maps.blog.com.mk/ at the extreme bottom.
i was having some trouble with the copyrighting system usec by wikipeida. if anyone has any sugesstions or help it would be greatly appreciated.
P m kocovski ( talk) 07:52, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Any ideas as to what might have went wrong with this one on the right? When clicked, the image shows just fine, but it does not scale down nor does it show up well in thumbnails. There's no layers in that image, nor is there any grouped objects - yet it does not show up well... Any ideas? // Halibu tt 11:58, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
One problem that I've found is in the incompatibility between the GFDL and the CC licenses. The main problem occurs if I want to create a Vector map based on say a GFDL licensed original and a CC licensed original. The problem then is that I'm not technichally allowed to make a derivative at all. Obviously we can't force anyone to license their maps under a specific license and everyone tends to have their own preference. Still it would be good if the issue was raised and discussed. I know that dual licensing is possible but what I (and I'm guessing a lot of others with me) don't know is how dual licenseing would affect the by-sa part of a cc-by-sa license. / Lokal _ Profil 13:14, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Article(s):
Request: There's not really a good general-use Pacific-centered SVG world map on the 'pedia. Anyone up to the challenge? -- Chris (クリス • フィッチ) ( talk) 18:54, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
Graphist opinion:
That image is copyrighted according to the text in the corner. I don't think we'd be allowed to trace it? vıd ıoman 20:01, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
In response to the issue of tracing copyrighted maps raised above, I would like to clear this up once and for all.
Short answer: Kintetsubuffalo is correct, and well said: "The image is copyrighted, the shape of the continents cannot be."
Long answer:
With text, copyright applies not to the concepts expressed, but to the words used to express the concepts. The same is true for maps. Copyright applies not to the geographic concepts underlying the map, but to the symbology used to represent those concepts.
The shape of land-forms, the position of roads, the location of towns, the extent of vegetation - all of these are geographical concepts that are represented by the map, and therefore cannot be copyrighted. You are free to trace a copyrighted map, satellite image or photograph, in order to obtain this information.
However, you may not take from a copyrighted map its layout, its colour scheme, its icons, its extent, its text placement, its fonts, its line styles, its line thicknesses, its legend, its compass ross, etc. These graphical components of the map are the result of a creative process by the cartographer, and subject to copyright. On these points, you must make your own decisions, thus representing the underlying geographical data in your own way.
If you are working in SVG, it is pretty easy to comply with these rules. Step One: Capture the geographic information by tracing the map using a very fine black line stroke. Step Two: Put the copyrighted map out of your sight, and make your own independent decisions on how to adjust your fill and stroke properties.
Hesperian 03:21, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
"Step One: Capture the geographic information by tracing the map using a very fine black line stroke." Sorry, but if you do that to anything produced by the UK's Ordnance Survey you will be breaking their © and liable to be chased by their department they have specifically for this task - any such maps can only be published with their permission and citation, in this case it would contain the wording "derived from" - believe me they take this seriously, I have seen official presentations from them, showing the lengths people go to to get around it and how OS have proven that a finished map, however simplified, was derived from their data.-- C Hawke ( talk) 11:58, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
This analysis is on shaky grounds, I think. While it is true no one can "copyright" the shape of a country or a continent, tracing a map is making a derivative work of that map, and only the original copyright holder has that right under U.S. copyright law. Courts have ruled differently on this matter in the past, so there is no one hard and fast answer to what consititutes a copyrighted "original" map. See [3]. If you create a reproduction of a map using the original data sources or other public sources, you aren't copying it. But tracing the map would be considered copying and an infringement of the owner's copyright. A circuit court in Oregon ruled (1882), for example, that merely changing the scale or color of a map is infrining on the copyright (Chapman v. Ferry). Even OpenStreetMap.org states its own page that it does not permit people to "use" a copyrighted map (Google Maps, printed maps, or satellite images) in any way when editing a map on their site, including tracing it. They consider this "copying." Since OpenStreetMap has similar requirements to Wikipedia when it comes to "free (as in speech)" content, I would say that such tracing and copying should not be permitted here. Just my two cents. Dcmacnut ( talk) 17:45, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Just uploaded my first map, in svg and png, any comments welcome. My svg is plain, not inkscape and I've converted the text into paths - but it still doesn't render properly. Can you point out where I'm going wrong? Ki | jog 22:00, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
Inspired by the excellent article Johnson Creek (Willamette River) (soon to be a featured article), I've devised a method for using Template:Wide image to make photo maps of urban creeks. See my "methods" document and two sample maps at User:Northwesterner1/photomaps. Feedback welcome! Northwesterner1 ( talk) 07:29, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
Do we have inline templates that could be added to maps, noting that they don't have a source, may be ORish or non-neutral? Template:Fact lists several inline templates, but they are for texts, not maps/pictures/captions.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 22:02, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
I am contemplating placing maps in building & structure infoboxes. Should this be standard?-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:LOTM) 14:26, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I was hoping for a good map of the partition of Czechoslovakia in 1938-9. Unfortunately, this image is the best wikipedia has to offer at the moment. These other images online [4] [5] [6] are what I'm looking for. Preferably the last of the three.
This image is the most accurate vector graphic we have of pre-ww2 Czechoslovakia.
I just spent 2 hours installing and trying to figure out inkscape and I have nothing to show for it. Can anyone help? - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 13:31, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
I imported the SVG blank map of modern europe, and I understand how that works, but I'm not sure where to go from there. Freehand drawing the borders with the touchpad on my laptop is not really practical. I tried importing the jpgs/gifs above and overlaying the maps, but I can't make them match up properly. - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 16:30, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Okay, I decided to start small and just create a good svg of the first republic. How's this for starters? (Old one below) - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 00:22, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Okay, I made the partition map, and things went fairly well, except that, once uploaded, the arrow heads didn't show up and the "Rus" moved left. Any suggestions for improvement? - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 16:11, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
I tried to translate the above maps, but these weird black rectangles are showing up over the text for Subcarpathian Rus. See Image:První Československá republika.SVG and Image:Première République tchécoslovaque.SVG. I opened the SVG files, and there are no black rectangles in my original images. I can't figure out what's causing it. It looks like I'm being censored. =) Help anyone? - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 20:06, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Awesome. Thanks for your help, Jackaranga. - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 23:52, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
I've also reinserted it into the blank map of europe. If anyone wants to combine efforts and make an blank interwar map of europe, it might be a useful project. - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 00:26, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Would you think that the attached map serves its purpose well? The article on the Battle of Yarmouk had the most ugliest (I have even told the author that and we laugh about it) battle maps so I decided to come up with a map detailing a 3-dimensional terrain. I haven't seen any such map on Wikipedia that details a battle formation in 3-dimensions.
Why I submit the map here is to gather feedback on maps of this sort in particular and if there is anything this map is lacking. I have put days and nights into making an SVG version of a live terrain just so that I can modify it whenever I need to. And please do take a look at the article to tell me if the maps do justice. Thanks and God bless. Arun Reginald ( talk · contribs) 02:36, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Template:PD-PCL has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. / Lokal _ Profil 10:05, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
I just finished this. Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated. TheMightyQuill ( talk) 02:35, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
Excellent, thank you for the advice. The Kazakhsan border, and those of the middle-east mandates were easy. I'm not sure what to do about the Caucasus. Image:DRGMap.png is pretty confused, and it would be difficult to be neutral. Is this the border I want for Spanish Morocco? Thanks again. - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 15:25, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
Hah... You're right. I'm not sure why I move Alsace Lorraine. The borders in 1920 were the same as they are now, correct? Yeesh, that took me a while. What a waste of time. - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 15:48, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
Fixed, and I finally fixed Morocco too. I just have to worry about the caucasus now... ugh. - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 16:12, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
Please see this discussion:
This should work for most PDF to SVG conversions, but if it doesn't there are some things you can do:
I you want to take a look at your SVG in Inkscape hold Ctrl and scroll you mouse wheel forward and back to zoom in and out. Use the scroll-bars on the right and bottom to scroll.
Some PDFs create very "bad" SVG files when converted automatically. A "bad" SVG can be identified because it will convert slowly (more than 5 seconds), it will be very large for an SVG (over 1MB) and it will render very slowly on WP - there is a long wait while the text and other images on the page are loaded, but the SVG image does not show up. Bad SVGs put a lot of strain on the Wiki servers. If you suspect you have a "bad" file, go to a Wikigraphist for a manual conversion. These will almost always be much better than the automated versions in terms of being smaller, better drawn and easier to translate because the text is created properly.
Inkscape is FOSS software. Feel good about saving the planet from commercialism while converting! For additional comments see this discussion:
If you have comments about this tutorial or it doesn't work for you, please talk to me. Dhatfield ( talk) 14:44, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
I feel ignorant - but a quick wiki-search and Google-search did not enlighten me. I know how to put any graphic file into a pdf - but my strong hunch is that it takes more than this to make it a "pdf map"! - Martha ( talk) 19:04, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
Please see:
Feel free to edit it. I already started. -- Timeshifter ( talk) 12:46, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
In looking at the source map for TheMightyQuill's map of Europe in 1920, I discovered that the source map (which shows borders, just as the 1920 one does - but of course they're different borders) has NO date! That makes it hard to use, because you don't know when the borders refer to. Shouldn't there be a policy that ALL maps put onto Commons - or Wikipedia - should be dated?? The date could be part of the title for the file, or part of the Information box, or any number of things - my point here is to raise the issue of the importance of dating things! Spoken by one who was trained by trying to date office notes by the handwriting..... - Martha ( talk) 18:52, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
I'm sorry to say I don't agree with your logic. I think we have a very imprecise system here. In the case of those two maps, the "image information" box contains a date, which in each case pretty much agrees with the date when the map was uploaded (not the date to which the map itself refers). What date is supposed to be entered there? Creation date? Time frame represented? Upload date?? Template:Information specifies "date of creation, or date of publication" - but a) that leaves a choice (and no way to identify which of the two you've chosen), and b) do users of that Template really think about what they put there, and its implications?? Shouldn't the template be updated so that it specifies what date that is? The only thing that identifies the 1920 map is its title, which disagrees with the "date" in the info box; and the source map is identified only by its upload date. Nothing identifies when that source map was actually CREATED - it could have been created quite awhile before it was uploaded. - Furthermore it is already out of date: it does not show the borders of Kosova! So at this point in history, I would be happier if it were clearly identified as "map as of [date]".
Dealing with the source map is not so hard in June of 2008 - but in 10, 20, 50 years....how might things change, and how would we know exactly what we're looking at? We're hoping for Wikipedia to be accurate in the long term, aren't we? If so, we need to start right now taking responsibility for making things we put into Wikipedia be precisely identified. - Martha ( talk) 22:46, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
Hello.
I'm from the French-speaking
Graphic lab and we had a discussion there about the creation of a colorimetric convention for geopolitical and topographic maps for a common use in the Wikimedia project.
Now we make this proposition on
Commons talk:Project Mapmaking Wiki Standards.
I invite all Wiki map makers here to take a look at that page and participate so we can harmonize the aspect of our maps, have common conventions and ease their creation.
Note also that I initiated on the same page a discussion about the choice for a recommended projection to be used for world maps.
Thanks for your participation.
Sting-fr (
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I reckon this is the best place to ask this. For a map for an article, are we allowed to use a map from Google Maps, or would that go against either copyright, or policy, or do we have to use self-created maps? Deamon138 ( talk) 23:33, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm getting started making maps, using Inkscape for now. So far, I'm making low-detail "locator"-style maps. I'd really appreciate comments on how to improve. Here's an example map for comment. In particular, I'm wondering about how best to handle labels, the level of detail in coastlines, and line thicknesses. Thanks! -- Amble ( talk) 06:30, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks to all for the very helpful comments! -- Amble ( talk) 17:34, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
Update: here's the improved version! I didn't use the recommended colors for the DMZ, because they were too colorful relative to the main contents of the map. I didn't find a standard color for the mainland... there's "territory of interest," but I took that to be mainland Incheon in this case.
Seoul and Incheon are both special cities, i.e. province-level entities. Honestly, the main difficulty in showing the detailed borders of Seoul is finding a good free source. In the first version of the map, I used existing Wikipedia maps, but those are of unknown origin and are quite rough. In the new version, I had to really work. I looked at an Incheon city government map, identified the landmarks near the administrative boundaries, and found the same landmarks on the Landsat images - no tracing. Maybe that's too paranoid (and maybe just paranoid enough).--
Amble (
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02:59, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Right now on the Japanese location articles, the maps just show the location of the city or village or ward in relation to the prefecture. It would be more useful to include a small map of Japan with the area highlighted, just as the map of Mawlamyine includes a location of the state within Burma. Please can we modify the infobox to include this somehow? Chris (クリス • フィッチ) ( talk) 15:34, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
I've created two new templates on commons: commons:Template:Inaccurate-map-disputed and commons:Template:Inaccurate-map-disputed, the former for authors to acknowledge their own inaccuracies, the latter for others to dispute the accuracy of maps. Comments? - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 16:44, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
Western Climate Initiative uses Image:Map of North America, WRCAI members.svg to illustrate its members and (via {{ legend}}s) the type of members. The current version is out of date (e.g. Ontario switched from being an observer to a partner). Could someone update it (and remove the "out of date" description I added to the article). Thanks. 67.101.6.100 ( talk) 19:55, 18 July 2008 (UTC).
P.S. Here's what the new version of the map should look like:
67.101.6.100 ( talk) 20:05, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
Hello, I would like to create a map of the settlements in regions of Northern Greece and Southern Bulgaria. A region known as Chech. You see there is a map of that region, but it is not based on GPS data, rather on old inaqurate maps. Now I have the coordinates of all settlements from that area in Greece here and the coordinates of the settlements in Bulgaria are in Bulgarian Wikipedia. Question: How do I make a map, given that I know the coordinates of all settlements? Is there some program or script where you can feed the coordinates and get the map in return? That's priority number one. Priority number two is the border between Bulgaria and Greece to be present on the map. Priority number three is topographic features like rivers, dams and peaks. And last, the border of the Chech Region, which can be taken from the old map. I will appreciate any help and advices. -- Chech Explorer ( talk) 11:58, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
I doubt it's gonna happen any time soon, and have no idea what kind of code realities are required to make it happen (or what mountains of inertia within the Wikimedia Foundation), but will it ever be possible to have a Wikimapia window on Wikipedia articles where a given location can be shown automatically as a sattelite image, based on its latlong and a specified radius? The wikimapia basemap is the same as that for googlemaps so maybe there's copyright issues - ? - but the sat maps are great especially forgeographic articles; but instead of having to "make" them separately I'm wondering if there might be a way to make them generatable directly form a Wiki page? Maybe even with a scale-slider and pan-ability? Nice idea, is it possible at all? Skookum1 ( talk) 16:03, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
Can i know why most of the blank maps is deprecated? Should i use that deprecated blank maps to draw the maps anymore? -- Aleen f1 06:40, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Although maps are an important issue in Wikipedia being located in most articles, I remarked the absence of a guideline regulating or organizing it. One issue I think should be included is the independence of a map from an article; I noticed that most maps don't have any legend in the image itself, which makes it incomprehensible without the article. Since WP material (including maps) is meant to be reused by anyone, shouldn't the legend be (mandatory) included with the map? Another thing is the total absence of a tutorial explaining step-by-step how to create a map and color it. Also, I think that the project needs a little bit of organization, I'll hopefully try to work on it. Thank you. Eklipse ( talk) 18:41, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
How do I link an article that I have created onto Google Maps? I am trying to get a placeholder on my article Churchtown Farm to appear on Google Maps. A geographically adjacent article, Saltash.net_community_school does appear on Google Maps. Both articles have co-ordinates, but I can't see what it is that my article needs that the Saltash.net one already has. Can anyone help? Thanks. Tinminer ( talk) 19:06, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I looked on Google Maps first, but could find no help to this, so thought I'd try on here! Tinminer ( talk) 19:40, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
I've now found this ( Placeopedia) which seems to do the trick. Runs on open-source software (non-commercial website). Tinminer ( talk) 19:58, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
There's an ongoing discussion over at the European Union talk page#Mercator projection over whether a Mercator, a Robinson projection or a picture of a globe should be used as a location map. I was wondering if there is are any policy preference on what map to use? Is it simply something decided on a case-by-case basis or ought there be a consistent policy across all country/international organisation articles? Blue-Haired Lawyer 18:53, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Hello! I am working on a map of Constantinople during the Byzantine period. There are apparently some problems with how the text is presented by various browsers, and I don't have enough knowledge of the intricacies of svg-making to correct this. So it was suggested that I should appeal to this project for help. If anyone can help, it would be greatly appreciated. Oh, and if anyone has any suggestions on improving the map further, please say so. Thank you in advance, Constantine ✍ 17:51, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
Would this resolve the problems of the map I've just added to Battle of Opis#Background? The text renders very poorly; I couldn't work out why. -- ChrisO ( talk) 01:34, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
I've been looking at the standard conventions on the main page for color usage, but would appreciate some advice for colors on range maps for flora and fauna pages. Since I've just learned to use Inkscape to create SVGs, I have gone on to create my first SVG range map, which is shown to the right. In this example, I used red (#FF0000) to highlight the animals' geographic range. Instead, should I have used the red from the standard conventions (#B00000)? If not, which color would you suggest? And what about range maps that highlight ranges for more than one species, such as my old ruffed lemur map (which I will replace, pending the color recommendations here), Image:Madagascar_Varecia_range.png? Should I use the standard convention colors pink (#FFD0D0), orange (#F8A20C), green (#3CE67B), light blue (#CEFEF2), or red-orange (#F07568)? Sadly, as far as I can tell, this topic has not been discussed on WikiProject:Tree of Life or any of its subprojects. The only mentions I can find of range maps include:
Obviously, this discussion should include members of these projects as well.
In regards to color selection, I have another question that I could not quickly find an answer to reading the posts above: Have your standard convention colors been tested for clarity when color blindness is factored in? If you haven't done so already, you can test an image on sites like Vischeck.
I am currently revving up create range maps for all lemurs, but this color issue needs to be resolved first. I have already created a range map template for Madagascar, which can not only be used for lemurs, but other endemic Malagasy biota. I'd like to get started, so I'm hoping this won't be too complicated of an issue. – Visionholder ( talk) 08:13, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
Please give your input at Wikipedia talk:No original research#Regarding maps being "primary sources" according to this policy. -- Rschen7754 ( T C) 11:59, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
I've been making a few maps for election results in Oregon. They can be seen here. The ones I've made only involve the Democratic and Republican parties in general elections, and thus use just the simple red–blue color coding. But I've considered maps for primary election results too, as well as gradient maps to show margin of victory.
Are there guidelines already in place? Äþelwulf Talk to me. 18:41, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
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A couple of us have come up with a revolutionary idea for year articles. We thought it would be better if every year article was an actual article instead of a list of events. We made an example: 1345. I made the map of Asia for it (though I must admit I'm a novice and it's not that great), and I think it would be wonderful if every year article had a map of the world (or at least of Europe and Asia) on it. This would especially be important for the earlier years, like 1345. Then everyone could see what the world looked like in each year. I've noticed there are already some cool maps like this, for example Image:East-Hem 900ad.jpg.
Anyway, please feel free to add to the discussion on whether we should turn year articles into prose. - Tea and crumpets ( t c) 03:09, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
It could be done with a new parameter in coordinates templates: _country_year(1460-1470) for a state that existed from 1460 to 1470, for example. The user could select the year (1473, for example) and the map could show all the points of this year. —Preceding
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Article(s): University of Oklahoma, and possibly Norman, Oklahoma and other University related articles
Request: -- I'm hoping somebody with graphic design skills can create a map in either PNG or SVG similar to Image:MSU campus map.png for the University of Oklahoma. It would actually be two separate maps, one for the main campus and one for the south campus.
On Google Maps, this link shows the main campus which is already grayed. For the south campus, this map shows the area and it would be from E. Constitution on the north to Hwy 9 on the south and Jenkins on the west to Dewey on the east.
I would be happy to answer any further answers if needed.↔ NMajdan• talk 21:05, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
Graphist opinion:
I'm doing research on an article about the various flight routes that people took from German-occupied Norway to neutral Sweden during World War II. Ideally, this should be done on a map that showed the geographical features (mountains, valleys, lakes, rivers) for the various sections where the escapes occured; and that I could plot the routes point by point. If someone could point me to the right resources to figure out how to do all this, I'd be appreciative. I'll check back here, but also feel free to respond on my talk page. -- Leifern ( talk) 18:57, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Hi Valakkpp ( talk) 16:23, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/9/9e/20080201221317%21Submarine_cables.png
linked from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine_communications_cable
1) several lines beginning on the US west coast end at the left side of the map when they should probably continue to Japan and Asia from the right side of the map. For example http://www.telegeography.com/products/map_cable/index.php this map does have the lines terminate in Asia instead of in the Pacific Ocean.
2) one red and one blue line leave from the Denmark/Netherlands area and terminate in the North Atlantic (undersea cables usually terminate at population centers)
3) red represent active cables, blue represent inactive cables but there is no key for the green line between Australia and Tasmania
4) no key explaining the meaning of the dark red line in Alaska
5) the dark red line in Alaska. Undersea cables are usually undersea not above ground.
6) there is no key for the gray dashed lines from the US to China and also seen in the Caribbean
I attempted to address these issues with the author but I was either too unclear or he preferred building strawmen and ignoring questions. I hope these issues can be dealt with or explained.
previous discussion: http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=User_talk:Rarelibra&direction=prev&oldid=188434665#Map_of_submarine_cables_throughout_the_world http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:74.139.185.198#Sub_cable_map 74.139.185.198 ( talk) 03:18, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I know this is a tad more complex than most but I was wondering if anyone was willing to look into creating a map of the European Quarter in Brussels for Brussels and the European Union. I've been trying to do it myself basing the street layout on Google maps and overlaying the locations from here but my graphics skills aren't any where good enough for something this complex. Just trying to get the outline of Parliament here ended in me producing something akin to a kids painting. If anyone is interested, please contact me on my talk page, I'd be most grateful. Thanks. - J Logan t: 21:44, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
See my post at Template_talk:Fact#Version_for_maps.3F. Comments much appreciated.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 23:15, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
No Valakkpp ( talk) 16:24, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
I want to draw a map of the troop movements and battles of the second Punic War with gimp. for this I need crossed swords (if possible a blue and a red set) without background and a map of the whole Mediterranean (including Gades in Spain and Pergamon in Turkey, northern Italy and northern Africa) to show the complete range of naval and land operations. Does anyone have an idea where I can find this material on commons or with a free licence? Wandalstouring ( talk) 19:17, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
I got so far(218BC-213BC). Black crosses are battles, green borders and red Roman movement and blue Carthaginian movement. The Carthaginian movement in northern Italy isn't clear(take one solution, I will try to clarify this issue). The Green area in northern Italy around the Po valley is Gaul, half of which become insurgent with the arrival of Hannibal(the northern tribes are loyal to Rome, the southern tribes rebel). Thanks for turning it into a decent map. Wandalstouring ( talk) 10:01, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi folks,
Can I get some informed feedback on Image:North Island (Houtman Abrolhos).svg. This is my first serious attempt at making a vector map, and my first use of Inkscape. I'd like to get this rather simple map right rather than carry on and make the same mistakes on more complicated maps.
Is it framed right? Is there too much information?
Are the colours right? Would the infrastructure be better in black rather than grey?
Are the text labels okay? Is the font appropriate? Is the font size right?
I've italicised common nouns like lighthouse but left proper names unitalicised. Is this acceptable, or have I unknowingly violated some mapping convention?
"Shag Rock", "North Point", "South Point" and "Northwest Hill" are common but not gazetted names - does putting them in quotes work? Should non-gazetted names appear at all?
Should the island itself be labelled, or can that be taken for granted? Should the surrounding water bodies be labelled?
Is trig acceptable, or must I write trig station or trig point?
Would the hills and lighthouse be better represented by icons rather than dots?
Should I convert the text to strokes?
Hesperian 11:49, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks guys. I have made a number of changes in response to Kmusser, and others on my talk page. I will have a crack at Bamse' comments over the next day or so. Hesperian 02:18, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Hello everyone. I'm working on svg conversion of my Image:Rzeczpospolita 1920.png (well, AAMoF I'm recreating it). So far I was fairly successful and the new map ( Image:Rzeczpospolita 1938.svg) started to look nice. However, I recently added texts to it and all of a sudden the map stopped showing when I uploaded a new version to Commons.
At first I used the standard Arial font, then gave the default one a try - to no avail. The map doesn't show on the image page, nor does it resize properly in articles. Any idea what might have went wrong? Any suggestions? // Halibu tt 22:26, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
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In this picture the border between East and West Germany in this image is not at all where it should be, see Inner German border. It is just some kind of circle segment. West Berlin ist also misssing (i.e. a part of East Germany).
I contacted the author twice (see User talk:Bože pravde#Wrong Inner German border and commons:User talk:Bože pravde#Wrong Inner German border), but he is not reacting. Can anyone help please? -- Abe Lincoln ( talk) 08:54, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks a lot. -- Abe Lincoln ( talk) 13:28, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
A conversation about the current maps used to represent the constituent countries has been started at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_UK_geography#Something_amiss_in_Scotland. This discussion is hopefully to resolve issues that have been raised and to try to set a standard within the UK. For all those that wish to comment on this, your input is requested. Thank-you :-) -- UKPhoenix79 ( talk) 00:46, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
I am considering drawing a map (SVG of course!) of an island located in the Stockholm archipelago. This island has a lighthouse. Does anybody know what symbol to use? Please, help me! -- Astor Piazzolla ( talk) 11:11, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
I have created the above maps. I hope you all don't mind that I was WP:BOLD and added them to the relative articles myself. I really don't want to create any edit wars I just want to see what others think and hopefully bring this to a nice consensus on what to use. I hate the idea that other countries seam to be more organized then us with these things, so I hope you think the new one looks professional... I'm actually kinda pleased :-) Please voice your opinion over at Talk:Scotland#Straw_Poll I know I'd personally love to hear your opinions! Thanks -- UKPhoenix79 ( talk) 05:11, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
The two threads below have been on the talk page for a long time now. I've also noticed that many people are already following its suggestions, such as in the example to the right. I recommend that we vote on moving these guidelines out of the talk section onto the main project page. Please vote Support, Oppose or Comment. Tomcool ( talk) 18:49, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
The goal of a free, on-line encyclopedia is furthered when maps are properly designed with a clear, consistent look and feel. The following are the standard colors for maps:
Color | Hex | RGB | Sample | Used for | |||||||||||||||||
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Black | #000000 | 0, 0, 0 | Primary label color | ||||||||||||||||||
Brown | #A08070 | 160, 128, 112 | Political borders. Country, state, and province borders should be brown. | ||||||||||||||||||
Light brown | #D0C0A0 | 208, 192, 160 | Secondary political borders. | ||||||||||||||||||
Light yellow | #FFFFD0 | 255, 255, 208 | Primary territory of interest, or one of four choices for four-color maps. | ||||||||||||||||||
Pink | #FFD0D0 | 255, 208, 208 | Another color to be used for four-color maps. | ||||||||||||||||||
Orange | #F8A20C | 248, 162, 12 | A third color to be used for four-color maps. | ||||||||||||||||||
Green | #3CE67B | 60, 230, 123 | A fourth color to be used for four-color maps. | ||||||||||||||||||
Light blue | #CEFEF2 | 206, 254, 242 | An alternate color to be used for four-color maps. | ||||||||||||||||||
Orange | #F7D3AA | 247, 211, 170 | Alternative color for the above Tan (surrounding territories). | ||||||||||||||||||
Medium blue | #9EC7F3 | 158, 199, 243 | Bodies of water. Oceans or lakes. | ||||||||||||||||||
Blue | #1821DE | 24, 33, 222 | Water borders, if necessary. For lake or ocean borders that need a color contrasting with surrounding land, or for rivers. | ||||||||||||||||||
Red | #B00000 | 176, 0, 0 | Points of interest. Cities, especially. | Red | #B00000 | 176, 0, 0 | Red | #B00000 | 176, 0, 0 | Red | #B00000 | 176, 0, 0 | Red | #B00000 | 176, 0, 0 | Points of interest. Cities, especially. | |||||
Red-orange | #F07568 | 240, 117, 104 | Alternative color for the above Red (points of interest). | ||||||||||||||||||
Medium red | #E0584E | 224, 88, 78 | Border color for areas highlighted in Red-orange | ||||||||||||||||||
Green | #A0F090 | 160, 240, 144 | Parks or natural preservation areas |
The following is a gallery of exemplar maps:
Move the Map Colors table below to the main Wikiproject Maps page, with language that these are the recommended, standard colors for maps in Wikipedia.
Move the Gallery of Exemplars out to the main Wikiproject Maps page, with language that these maps are examples of standard maps in Wikipedia.
As I suggested in the Map Colors discussion below, having a gallery of exemplars might help to advance our discussion of standards. These exemplars might also serve as an interim standards for mapmakers to use until the project establishes standards. Since mapmaking (and reading) are extremely visual, it helps to be able to see what people are talking about. Here is a suggestion of what such a gallery might look like:
People could then add, delete or change the comments as the discussion on standards advances. Tomcool 13:46, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
We need to come up with a standard palette of colors to recommend for use in all geographical maps. The previous use of "Pink" (FF0D0) and "Lavender" (F2D0FF) as third and fourth colors for four-color maps is unworkable.
Color | Hex | RGB | Sample | Used for |
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Black | #000000 | 0, 0, 0 | Primary label color | |
Brown | #A08070 | 160, 128, 112 | Political borders. Country, state, and province borders should be brown. | |
Light brown | #D0C0A0 | 208, 192, 160 | Secondary political borders. | |
Light yellow | #FFFFD0 | 255, 255, 208 | Primary territory of interest, or one of four choices for four-color maps. | |
Pink | #FFD0D0 | 255, 208, 208 | Another color to be used for four-color maps. | |
Orange | #F8A20C | 248, 162, 12 | A third color to be used for four-color maps. | |
Green | #3CE67B | 60, 230, 123 | A fourth color to be used for four-color maps. | |
Light blue | #CEFEF2 | 206, 254, 242 | An alternate color to be used for four-color maps. | |
Orange | #F7D3AA | 247, 211, 170 | Alternative color for the above Tan (surrounding territories). | |
Medium blue | #9EC7F3 | 158, 199, 243 | Bodies of water. Oceans or lakes. | |
Blue | #1821DE | 24, 33, 222 | Water borders, if necessary. For lake or ocean borders that need a color contrasting with surrounding land, or for rivers. | |
Red | #B00000 | 176, 0, 0 | Points of interest. Cities, especially. | |
Red-orange | #F07568 | 240, 117, 104 | Alternative color for the above Red (points of interest). | |
Medium red | #E0584E | 224, 88, 78 | Border color for areas highlighted in Red-orange | |
Green | #A0F090 | 160, 240, 144 | Parks or natural preservation areas |
Feel free to add or revise the colors above and suggest new colors for specific purposes.
I would consider that we adopt the pallette of color brewer. SCmurky 23:49, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
Also I would have to say I disagree with any efforts to limit color choices within cloropleth maps (eg. pink, green, red, blue for a 4-color map), no matter the number of classes. Colorbrewer has a large palette, this would offer some standardization for colors, without limiting choice (eg. pastel vs. darker colors). SCmurky 17:40, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
See Dospat Dam for an example. Isn't there a way to ensure that they stay in an appropriate position? e.g., above the line - or below the line, but not running through the line?? -- Martha ( talk) 04:06, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
This is my
first attempt at a map, made by combining a satellite photo with an orthogonal map. However the horizontal scale is visibly different on the two. Is it "fair" to stretch the satellite photo to match the scale of the orthogonal map?! If so, is there a (relatively) simple way I can be sure I am doing it accurately? Or, could I somehow make the satellite map orthogonal? Any suggestions will be welcome. —
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What you'll see here now is a complete re-make of the map. I think it's an improvement. I tinkered with the scaling of the photo, using the blank orthogonal map as a reference point (I realize that's not terribly precise, but I do tend to be terribly careful, so I don't think it was a bad job - actually it only seemed to need a little vertical stretching (so why did the original LOOK so bad? maybe because the photo needs more sensitive correcting - all I could take into account were the extreme N-S-E-W points). Then, instead of referring my segment to the orthogonal map, I simply cut it out of the original (adjusted) photo, cleaned up so you can see the outline of the country, and reduced that to an appropriate size. I rather like this myself - do you experienced folk have an opinion? Once it's "good enough" I plan to move the image to Commons, and put it on the Dospat Dam page. -- Martha ( talk) 22:38, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
hi, would it be possible to get someone to reproduce the map at the extreme bottom of this page? -maps.blog.com.mk/ at the extreme bottom.
i was having some trouble with the copyrighting system usec by wikipeida. if anyone has any sugesstions or help it would be greatly appreciated.
P m kocovski ( talk) 07:52, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Any ideas as to what might have went wrong with this one on the right? When clicked, the image shows just fine, but it does not scale down nor does it show up well in thumbnails. There's no layers in that image, nor is there any grouped objects - yet it does not show up well... Any ideas? // Halibu tt 11:58, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
One problem that I've found is in the incompatibility between the GFDL and the CC licenses. The main problem occurs if I want to create a Vector map based on say a GFDL licensed original and a CC licensed original. The problem then is that I'm not technichally allowed to make a derivative at all. Obviously we can't force anyone to license their maps under a specific license and everyone tends to have their own preference. Still it would be good if the issue was raised and discussed. I know that dual licensing is possible but what I (and I'm guessing a lot of others with me) don't know is how dual licenseing would affect the by-sa part of a cc-by-sa license. / Lokal _ Profil 13:14, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Article(s):
Request: There's not really a good general-use Pacific-centered SVG world map on the 'pedia. Anyone up to the challenge? -- Chris (クリス • フィッチ) ( talk) 18:54, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
Graphist opinion:
That image is copyrighted according to the text in the corner. I don't think we'd be allowed to trace it? vıd ıoman 20:01, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
In response to the issue of tracing copyrighted maps raised above, I would like to clear this up once and for all.
Short answer: Kintetsubuffalo is correct, and well said: "The image is copyrighted, the shape of the continents cannot be."
Long answer:
With text, copyright applies not to the concepts expressed, but to the words used to express the concepts. The same is true for maps. Copyright applies not to the geographic concepts underlying the map, but to the symbology used to represent those concepts.
The shape of land-forms, the position of roads, the location of towns, the extent of vegetation - all of these are geographical concepts that are represented by the map, and therefore cannot be copyrighted. You are free to trace a copyrighted map, satellite image or photograph, in order to obtain this information.
However, you may not take from a copyrighted map its layout, its colour scheme, its icons, its extent, its text placement, its fonts, its line styles, its line thicknesses, its legend, its compass ross, etc. These graphical components of the map are the result of a creative process by the cartographer, and subject to copyright. On these points, you must make your own decisions, thus representing the underlying geographical data in your own way.
If you are working in SVG, it is pretty easy to comply with these rules. Step One: Capture the geographic information by tracing the map using a very fine black line stroke. Step Two: Put the copyrighted map out of your sight, and make your own independent decisions on how to adjust your fill and stroke properties.
Hesperian 03:21, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
"Step One: Capture the geographic information by tracing the map using a very fine black line stroke." Sorry, but if you do that to anything produced by the UK's Ordnance Survey you will be breaking their © and liable to be chased by their department they have specifically for this task - any such maps can only be published with their permission and citation, in this case it would contain the wording "derived from" - believe me they take this seriously, I have seen official presentations from them, showing the lengths people go to to get around it and how OS have proven that a finished map, however simplified, was derived from their data.-- C Hawke ( talk) 11:58, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
This analysis is on shaky grounds, I think. While it is true no one can "copyright" the shape of a country or a continent, tracing a map is making a derivative work of that map, and only the original copyright holder has that right under U.S. copyright law. Courts have ruled differently on this matter in the past, so there is no one hard and fast answer to what consititutes a copyrighted "original" map. See [3]. If you create a reproduction of a map using the original data sources or other public sources, you aren't copying it. But tracing the map would be considered copying and an infringement of the owner's copyright. A circuit court in Oregon ruled (1882), for example, that merely changing the scale or color of a map is infrining on the copyright (Chapman v. Ferry). Even OpenStreetMap.org states its own page that it does not permit people to "use" a copyrighted map (Google Maps, printed maps, or satellite images) in any way when editing a map on their site, including tracing it. They consider this "copying." Since OpenStreetMap has similar requirements to Wikipedia when it comes to "free (as in speech)" content, I would say that such tracing and copying should not be permitted here. Just my two cents. Dcmacnut ( talk) 17:45, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Just uploaded my first map, in svg and png, any comments welcome. My svg is plain, not inkscape and I've converted the text into paths - but it still doesn't render properly. Can you point out where I'm going wrong? Ki | jog 22:00, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
Inspired by the excellent article Johnson Creek (Willamette River) (soon to be a featured article), I've devised a method for using Template:Wide image to make photo maps of urban creeks. See my "methods" document and two sample maps at User:Northwesterner1/photomaps. Feedback welcome! Northwesterner1 ( talk) 07:29, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
Do we have inline templates that could be added to maps, noting that they don't have a source, may be ORish or non-neutral? Template:Fact lists several inline templates, but they are for texts, not maps/pictures/captions.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 22:02, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
I am contemplating placing maps in building & structure infoboxes. Should this be standard?-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:LOTM) 14:26, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I was hoping for a good map of the partition of Czechoslovakia in 1938-9. Unfortunately, this image is the best wikipedia has to offer at the moment. These other images online [4] [5] [6] are what I'm looking for. Preferably the last of the three.
This image is the most accurate vector graphic we have of pre-ww2 Czechoslovakia.
I just spent 2 hours installing and trying to figure out inkscape and I have nothing to show for it. Can anyone help? - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 13:31, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
I imported the SVG blank map of modern europe, and I understand how that works, but I'm not sure where to go from there. Freehand drawing the borders with the touchpad on my laptop is not really practical. I tried importing the jpgs/gifs above and overlaying the maps, but I can't make them match up properly. - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 16:30, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Okay, I decided to start small and just create a good svg of the first republic. How's this for starters? (Old one below) - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 00:22, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Okay, I made the partition map, and things went fairly well, except that, once uploaded, the arrow heads didn't show up and the "Rus" moved left. Any suggestions for improvement? - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 16:11, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
I tried to translate the above maps, but these weird black rectangles are showing up over the text for Subcarpathian Rus. See Image:První Československá republika.SVG and Image:Première République tchécoslovaque.SVG. I opened the SVG files, and there are no black rectangles in my original images. I can't figure out what's causing it. It looks like I'm being censored. =) Help anyone? - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 20:06, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Awesome. Thanks for your help, Jackaranga. - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 23:52, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
I've also reinserted it into the blank map of europe. If anyone wants to combine efforts and make an blank interwar map of europe, it might be a useful project. - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 00:26, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Would you think that the attached map serves its purpose well? The article on the Battle of Yarmouk had the most ugliest (I have even told the author that and we laugh about it) battle maps so I decided to come up with a map detailing a 3-dimensional terrain. I haven't seen any such map on Wikipedia that details a battle formation in 3-dimensions.
Why I submit the map here is to gather feedback on maps of this sort in particular and if there is anything this map is lacking. I have put days and nights into making an SVG version of a live terrain just so that I can modify it whenever I need to. And please do take a look at the article to tell me if the maps do justice. Thanks and God bless. Arun Reginald ( talk · contribs) 02:36, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Template:PD-PCL has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. / Lokal _ Profil 10:05, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
I just finished this. Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated. TheMightyQuill ( talk) 02:35, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
Excellent, thank you for the advice. The Kazakhsan border, and those of the middle-east mandates were easy. I'm not sure what to do about the Caucasus. Image:DRGMap.png is pretty confused, and it would be difficult to be neutral. Is this the border I want for Spanish Morocco? Thanks again. - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 15:25, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
Hah... You're right. I'm not sure why I move Alsace Lorraine. The borders in 1920 were the same as they are now, correct? Yeesh, that took me a while. What a waste of time. - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 15:48, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
Fixed, and I finally fixed Morocco too. I just have to worry about the caucasus now... ugh. - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 16:12, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
Please see this discussion:
This should work for most PDF to SVG conversions, but if it doesn't there are some things you can do:
I you want to take a look at your SVG in Inkscape hold Ctrl and scroll you mouse wheel forward and back to zoom in and out. Use the scroll-bars on the right and bottom to scroll.
Some PDFs create very "bad" SVG files when converted automatically. A "bad" SVG can be identified because it will convert slowly (more than 5 seconds), it will be very large for an SVG (over 1MB) and it will render very slowly on WP - there is a long wait while the text and other images on the page are loaded, but the SVG image does not show up. Bad SVGs put a lot of strain on the Wiki servers. If you suspect you have a "bad" file, go to a Wikigraphist for a manual conversion. These will almost always be much better than the automated versions in terms of being smaller, better drawn and easier to translate because the text is created properly.
Inkscape is FOSS software. Feel good about saving the planet from commercialism while converting! For additional comments see this discussion:
If you have comments about this tutorial or it doesn't work for you, please talk to me. Dhatfield ( talk) 14:44, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
I feel ignorant - but a quick wiki-search and Google-search did not enlighten me. I know how to put any graphic file into a pdf - but my strong hunch is that it takes more than this to make it a "pdf map"! - Martha ( talk) 19:04, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
Please see:
Feel free to edit it. I already started. -- Timeshifter ( talk) 12:46, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
In looking at the source map for TheMightyQuill's map of Europe in 1920, I discovered that the source map (which shows borders, just as the 1920 one does - but of course they're different borders) has NO date! That makes it hard to use, because you don't know when the borders refer to. Shouldn't there be a policy that ALL maps put onto Commons - or Wikipedia - should be dated?? The date could be part of the title for the file, or part of the Information box, or any number of things - my point here is to raise the issue of the importance of dating things! Spoken by one who was trained by trying to date office notes by the handwriting..... - Martha ( talk) 18:52, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
I'm sorry to say I don't agree with your logic. I think we have a very imprecise system here. In the case of those two maps, the "image information" box contains a date, which in each case pretty much agrees with the date when the map was uploaded (not the date to which the map itself refers). What date is supposed to be entered there? Creation date? Time frame represented? Upload date?? Template:Information specifies "date of creation, or date of publication" - but a) that leaves a choice (and no way to identify which of the two you've chosen), and b) do users of that Template really think about what they put there, and its implications?? Shouldn't the template be updated so that it specifies what date that is? The only thing that identifies the 1920 map is its title, which disagrees with the "date" in the info box; and the source map is identified only by its upload date. Nothing identifies when that source map was actually CREATED - it could have been created quite awhile before it was uploaded. - Furthermore it is already out of date: it does not show the borders of Kosova! So at this point in history, I would be happier if it were clearly identified as "map as of [date]".
Dealing with the source map is not so hard in June of 2008 - but in 10, 20, 50 years....how might things change, and how would we know exactly what we're looking at? We're hoping for Wikipedia to be accurate in the long term, aren't we? If so, we need to start right now taking responsibility for making things we put into Wikipedia be precisely identified. - Martha ( talk) 22:46, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
Hello.
I'm from the French-speaking
Graphic lab and we had a discussion there about the creation of a colorimetric convention for geopolitical and topographic maps for a common use in the Wikimedia project.
Now we make this proposition on
Commons talk:Project Mapmaking Wiki Standards.
I invite all Wiki map makers here to take a look at that page and participate so we can harmonize the aspect of our maps, have common conventions and ease their creation.
Note also that I initiated on the same page a discussion about the choice for a recommended projection to be used for world maps.
Thanks for your participation.
Sting-fr (
talk)
22:01, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
I reckon this is the best place to ask this. For a map for an article, are we allowed to use a map from Google Maps, or would that go against either copyright, or policy, or do we have to use self-created maps? Deamon138 ( talk) 23:33, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm getting started making maps, using Inkscape for now. So far, I'm making low-detail "locator"-style maps. I'd really appreciate comments on how to improve. Here's an example map for comment. In particular, I'm wondering about how best to handle labels, the level of detail in coastlines, and line thicknesses. Thanks! -- Amble ( talk) 06:30, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks to all for the very helpful comments! -- Amble ( talk) 17:34, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
Update: here's the improved version! I didn't use the recommended colors for the DMZ, because they were too colorful relative to the main contents of the map. I didn't find a standard color for the mainland... there's "territory of interest," but I took that to be mainland Incheon in this case.
Seoul and Incheon are both special cities, i.e. province-level entities. Honestly, the main difficulty in showing the detailed borders of Seoul is finding a good free source. In the first version of the map, I used existing Wikipedia maps, but those are of unknown origin and are quite rough. In the new version, I had to really work. I looked at an Incheon city government map, identified the landmarks near the administrative boundaries, and found the same landmarks on the Landsat images - no tracing. Maybe that's too paranoid (and maybe just paranoid enough).--
Amble (
talk)
02:59, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Right now on the Japanese location articles, the maps just show the location of the city or village or ward in relation to the prefecture. It would be more useful to include a small map of Japan with the area highlighted, just as the map of Mawlamyine includes a location of the state within Burma. Please can we modify the infobox to include this somehow? Chris (クリス • フィッチ) ( talk) 15:34, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
I've created two new templates on commons: commons:Template:Inaccurate-map-disputed and commons:Template:Inaccurate-map-disputed, the former for authors to acknowledge their own inaccuracies, the latter for others to dispute the accuracy of maps. Comments? - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 16:44, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
Western Climate Initiative uses Image:Map of North America, WRCAI members.svg to illustrate its members and (via {{ legend}}s) the type of members. The current version is out of date (e.g. Ontario switched from being an observer to a partner). Could someone update it (and remove the "out of date" description I added to the article). Thanks. 67.101.6.100 ( talk) 19:55, 18 July 2008 (UTC).
P.S. Here's what the new version of the map should look like:
67.101.6.100 ( talk) 20:05, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
Hello, I would like to create a map of the settlements in regions of Northern Greece and Southern Bulgaria. A region known as Chech. You see there is a map of that region, but it is not based on GPS data, rather on old inaqurate maps. Now I have the coordinates of all settlements from that area in Greece here and the coordinates of the settlements in Bulgaria are in Bulgarian Wikipedia. Question: How do I make a map, given that I know the coordinates of all settlements? Is there some program or script where you can feed the coordinates and get the map in return? That's priority number one. Priority number two is the border between Bulgaria and Greece to be present on the map. Priority number three is topographic features like rivers, dams and peaks. And last, the border of the Chech Region, which can be taken from the old map. I will appreciate any help and advices. -- Chech Explorer ( talk) 11:58, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
I doubt it's gonna happen any time soon, and have no idea what kind of code realities are required to make it happen (or what mountains of inertia within the Wikimedia Foundation), but will it ever be possible to have a Wikimapia window on Wikipedia articles where a given location can be shown automatically as a sattelite image, based on its latlong and a specified radius? The wikimapia basemap is the same as that for googlemaps so maybe there's copyright issues - ? - but the sat maps are great especially forgeographic articles; but instead of having to "make" them separately I'm wondering if there might be a way to make them generatable directly form a Wiki page? Maybe even with a scale-slider and pan-ability? Nice idea, is it possible at all? Skookum1 ( talk) 16:03, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
Can i know why most of the blank maps is deprecated? Should i use that deprecated blank maps to draw the maps anymore? -- Aleen f1 06:40, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Although maps are an important issue in Wikipedia being located in most articles, I remarked the absence of a guideline regulating or organizing it. One issue I think should be included is the independence of a map from an article; I noticed that most maps don't have any legend in the image itself, which makes it incomprehensible without the article. Since WP material (including maps) is meant to be reused by anyone, shouldn't the legend be (mandatory) included with the map? Another thing is the total absence of a tutorial explaining step-by-step how to create a map and color it. Also, I think that the project needs a little bit of organization, I'll hopefully try to work on it. Thank you. Eklipse ( talk) 18:41, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
How do I link an article that I have created onto Google Maps? I am trying to get a placeholder on my article Churchtown Farm to appear on Google Maps. A geographically adjacent article, Saltash.net_community_school does appear on Google Maps. Both articles have co-ordinates, but I can't see what it is that my article needs that the Saltash.net one already has. Can anyone help? Thanks. Tinminer ( talk) 19:06, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I looked on Google Maps first, but could find no help to this, so thought I'd try on here! Tinminer ( talk) 19:40, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
I've now found this ( Placeopedia) which seems to do the trick. Runs on open-source software (non-commercial website). Tinminer ( talk) 19:58, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
There's an ongoing discussion over at the European Union talk page#Mercator projection over whether a Mercator, a Robinson projection or a picture of a globe should be used as a location map. I was wondering if there is are any policy preference on what map to use? Is it simply something decided on a case-by-case basis or ought there be a consistent policy across all country/international organisation articles? Blue-Haired Lawyer 18:53, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Hello! I am working on a map of Constantinople during the Byzantine period. There are apparently some problems with how the text is presented by various browsers, and I don't have enough knowledge of the intricacies of svg-making to correct this. So it was suggested that I should appeal to this project for help. If anyone can help, it would be greatly appreciated. Oh, and if anyone has any suggestions on improving the map further, please say so. Thank you in advance, Constantine ✍ 17:51, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
Would this resolve the problems of the map I've just added to Battle of Opis#Background? The text renders very poorly; I couldn't work out why. -- ChrisO ( talk) 01:34, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
I've been looking at the standard conventions on the main page for color usage, but would appreciate some advice for colors on range maps for flora and fauna pages. Since I've just learned to use Inkscape to create SVGs, I have gone on to create my first SVG range map, which is shown to the right. In this example, I used red (#FF0000) to highlight the animals' geographic range. Instead, should I have used the red from the standard conventions (#B00000)? If not, which color would you suggest? And what about range maps that highlight ranges for more than one species, such as my old ruffed lemur map (which I will replace, pending the color recommendations here), Image:Madagascar_Varecia_range.png? Should I use the standard convention colors pink (#FFD0D0), orange (#F8A20C), green (#3CE67B), light blue (#CEFEF2), or red-orange (#F07568)? Sadly, as far as I can tell, this topic has not been discussed on WikiProject:Tree of Life or any of its subprojects. The only mentions I can find of range maps include:
Obviously, this discussion should include members of these projects as well.
In regards to color selection, I have another question that I could not quickly find an answer to reading the posts above: Have your standard convention colors been tested for clarity when color blindness is factored in? If you haven't done so already, you can test an image on sites like Vischeck.
I am currently revving up create range maps for all lemurs, but this color issue needs to be resolved first. I have already created a range map template for Madagascar, which can not only be used for lemurs, but other endemic Malagasy biota. I'd like to get started, so I'm hoping this won't be too complicated of an issue. – Visionholder ( talk) 08:13, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
Please give your input at Wikipedia talk:No original research#Regarding maps being "primary sources" according to this policy. -- Rschen7754 ( T C) 11:59, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
I've been making a few maps for election results in Oregon. They can be seen here. The ones I've made only involve the Democratic and Republican parties in general elections, and thus use just the simple red–blue color coding. But I've considered maps for primary election results too, as well as gradient maps to show margin of victory.
Are there guidelines already in place? Äþelwulf Talk to me. 18:41, 1 December 2008 (UTC)