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This article could use some cleanup. Thanks, Chris (クリス • フィッチ) ( talk) 07:41, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
I ran across the Villa Incognito article by chance. It's only marginaly linked to Japan, but I thought I'd bring it up nonetheless.
The article's a mess. It's written in a way a high-schooler might write if they wanted to pretend they were literary agents, and judging by the talk page, it has been in that awful state for a long while now. Has anyobody here read the novel and would be willing to completely rewrite the article? TomorrowTime ( talk) 18:38, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
True, the tone of the article isn't right, at least for Wikipedia. But still, it's written by a native English speaker. Many (not all of course) articles written by Japanese-speaking contributors have far more problems, I think. (I try to do my best, though.) -- Taku ( talk) 05:40, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
I think WikiProject Novels should handle this instead of us. -- ざくら木 12:33, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
We read that:
It occurs to me that the latter writing is (if quoted accurately) professional (it appeared in a novel that some people have bought) as well as bad not obviously all that good. Might the author of the article and the author of the novel be related?
Sorry, scrub that. Robbins's writing is excellent. It must be. From the recipe here:
Pretty impressive! But it gets better:
Zen, man, can you dig it? Now is this WikiProject Japan material or what? -- Hoary ( talk) 02:54, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
Two historically significant images are up for deletion, please vote. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) ( talk) 01:20, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
I posted some changes to the Cabinet in Cabinet of Japan#The Cabinet (August 2008 to present) according to the Cabinet's Japanese page. However, there has been some shuffling of portfolios and I don't have English translations of new offices, especially at the bottom of the list. So I removed some posts and names. If anyone can add them, it would be valuable information. Also, in case I made mistakes, a second look would be worthwhile. Fg2 ( talk) 03:10, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
(And I don't mean 字幕スーパー.) Whether the tildes in such places as " Best ~Bounce & Lovers~" amuse, dismay, satisfy or delight you, have your say on them here at MoS. -- Hoary ( talk) 10:29, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
Need kanji at Atsumu Ohmura. Badagnani ( talk) 08:32, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
Need kanji at Nobutake Machimura. Thanks in advance. Cla68 ( talk) 00:17, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
A new article titled Minorities in Japan which details discriminatory practices in Japan has been added by User:Vaibs2. I've placed an expert-subject tag on the article requesting a review by experts concerning neutrality, balance, etc. Recently there was an AfD discussion concerning a similar article under a different name ( AfD for Discrimination in Japan). I think it would be best if editors from WikiProject Japan looked at the new article to decide if it is a candidate for merging with Racial issues in Japan, or an afd discussion because it is the same as the previously afd'd article, or perhaps should be renamed since it isn't about minorities in Japan as much as a list of discrimination lawsuits. Can anyone from this project check it out? CactusWriter 06:54, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
I am in complete agreement with LordAmeth's assessment. At the very least this article needs to be immediately renamed to reflect the subject matter. At present, the article lacks even a cursory lede paragraph because it would be impossible to construct one encorporating the term "Minorities in Japan" without presenting a completely biased and one-sided tone. Discrimination lawsuits and incidents in Japan more clearly covers the subject matter. The best next step is to merge this article with Racial issues in Japan which already has laid a good groundwork for presenting this kind of information in a neutral well-rounded manner. And as far as the COI issue goes -- the editor ( User:Vaibs2) using a name like VAIBS (Victims Against Illegal Bank SURUGA) would appear to be making a clear statement about their non-neutrality on discrimination issues. However, that is beside the point here -- the current discussion should remain about the content of the article rather than the editor. CactusWriter 09:22, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
Hello, can someone figure out the kanji for Teiji Ito (a 20th century composer and musician who emigrated from Japan to the U.S.)? Badagnani ( talk) 00:30, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Too bad! I'm sure it exists somewhere, as in Japan there are enthusiasts for every type of art (including the Maya Deren films with scores by Ito. Can you search for Maya Deren in the Japanese Internet and see if his name shows up? Badagnani ( talk) 01:00, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Does anything show up in this search? Badagnani ( talk) 01:02, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Does this search have anything better? Badagnani ( talk) 01:23, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Great, Oda Mari; can you summarize what that website is all about? You're sure it's about the composer? Badagnani ( talk) 20:37, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
I've just added about Jerry Ito to the Teiji Ito article, but could you add more about his family and what types of theater they were involved in? Badagnani ( talk) 07:34, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
Could someone add the Kanji names and links to the Japanese Wikipedia for these two articles on Japanese admirals I just started- Tomiji Koyanagi & Susumu Kimura? Cla68 ( talk) 06:59, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Someone on Talk:Hiroshima asked a question about how the name of the city is pronounced. I tried to explain, but think it would help to add a short audio clip to the article. I wouldn't be the best person to do this, so is there someone here who could do this? -- Aude ( talk) 00:37, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
Bivattchee has been PROD'd, though it's still currently active and plenty notable. The problem is that no sites that make reference to them are in English. I was hoping someone here could put in a little effort and set the article up as at least a passable stub, stating its members, albums and etc which is all easily found out by looking at its official website. - Norse Am Legend ( talk) 05:58, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
On the list of countries in chronological order of achieving statehood, the date given for the founding of Japan, 660 BC, is the traditional date derived from Japanese legend. But in actual historical fact, the Yamato state which would evolve into a unified, coordinated country did not emerge until many centuries later. Whether that date is 538, when the capital was founded at Asuka, 710 when the capital was founded at Nara, or earlier in the Kofun period, is certainly a matter of debate. Many scholars of Japanese history would likely argue that there was no country of "Japan" until 1868. But in any case, whatever date we may choose, it's certainly not 660 BC, as that's simply completely historically inaccurate, going back to a period during the Jomon period before there was any organized government or society of any kind beyond small chiefdoms, extended family clan villages, or something to that effect. Please see discussion at Talk:List of countries in chronological order of achieving statehood, and respond there, not here. Thank you. LordAmeth ( talk) 01:45, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
Tokyo 6 Universities seems to be an article about nothing. "Tokyo 6 Universities" looks to me like a literal (and unidiomatic) translation of a Japanese phrase, ja:東京六大学, that's used to cover six universities in (or near) Tokyo that happen to be united in a baseball tournament and that has no other meaning that I know of. The baseball tournament deserves an article to itself and gets one: Tokyo Big6 Baseball League. Maybe the 東京六大学 article says something deep and significant but if so I can't find it. Am I missing something? Tama1988 ( talk) 10:11, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
Looking at the remarks on the talk page, there may be a good article on Tokyo/Waseda/Keio analogous to that of the Big Three, but this would require some good sourcing on their historical and cultural status (including sourcing any terms or phrases used to refer to them). I also object to the blanket removal of all the material. There was a claim that most prime ministers graduated from a Tokyo 6 university. That has been removed. This is valuable information. It would be analogous to removing the section on social status from the Ivy League article. If we did that, the reader would think this was simply an athletic conference of 8 universities with no significance beyond that, but that would be false. -- C S ( talk) 20:27, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Somebody (and let's not worry who): "I would think it'd be safe to say that all of the Tokyo 6 schools have a level of prestige and advantage, concentrated in the T/W/K Trifecta, but not necessarily because of the fact that they've been playing baseball against each other for 81 years."
On reading this very literally, yes, I agree, they all do have a level of prestige. They also all have an advantage over a fair number of other universities, none of which I'm in the mood to name here. But this person seems to be saying that these six universities are more prestigious than others in Tokyo. This surprises me. (My polite way of saying "Horseshit!") I have no reason to think that Rikkyo, Hosei or Meiji has an advantage over Chuo or Sophia (in Tokyo). I've no reason to think that any except Tokyo has an advantage over Hitotsubashi (also in Tokyo). And this is for mainstream subjects, like economics and law. If we move into less mainstream subjects, then some of these universities are way behind competitors such as Tokyo Gaigo.
How can "prestige" be measured? I fear that the normal way is to use as one's "authority" some piece of journalism in which the writer summarizes what he thinks he remembers he was told somewhere. However, there could be studies of how easy it is to get jobs, etc. My hunch is that inter-university differences would be dwarfed by inter-discipline differences: Rightly or wrongly, business studies beats philosophy or German literature.
Or we can look at the degree of difficulty of entering universities. The clearest I've seen are a set of web pages compiled by "Yozemi"; these prevent any comparison between public and private universities, but for private universities they show that the five private universities among these six are all at least moderately desirable (depending on the school [gakubu] within the university), but that the schools of other private universities in Tokyo can be pretty demanding, or even more demanding. So (for what it's worth), this shows that the toughest schools in private Tokyo universities to get into among the humanities, etc., are at Sophia (not in the "six") and two of the "six", closely followed by a third of the "six", followed by Chuo (not in the "six") and another of the "six"; then Tsuda Juku (not in the "six", but then gals don't traditionally play baseball), followed by the last of the "six". You should not generalize from these results to other areas, but their divergence from any notion that the five private Tokyo universities outclass the rest should be an eye-opener (as should the differences among the schools in any university). -- Hoary ( talk) 15:34, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
I've looked at the article on the Ivy League and I'm not impressed with the relevant part of it. There's a lot of sourced information about sports, which is all well and good for readers who happen to be interested in grown men running around after balls and so forth but anyway is analogous to the article on Tokyo 6 baseball. There's tabular presentation of information that seems adequately expressed in the article on each evidence. As for the notion that the "Ivy League" outclasses the opposition, there's plenty of anecdotal evidence but little systematic evidence.
But back from the inscrutable occident to Japan. [D]o journalists, for example, often refer to "Tokyo 6" in contexts removed from baseball in order to convey a feeling of elitism? e.g., a comment like "so-and-so has no consideration for the less fortunate. After all he graduated from a Tokyo 6 and we know what snobs those people are" etc.
Some Japanese journalists say bizarre things when in their cups and some of it gets into print. But such a comment would be daffy even for a wino. Even granted that Keio may have created something of a religion of itself and its founder, it's fairly big and Waseda is a lot bigger. The idea that Meiji and Hosei, say, are "exclusive", or that their graduates are seen as a group as "snobs" is laughable. Such perceptions may exist for Tokyo but then again they may also exist for, say, Hitotsubashi.
Are you saying that because the "Tokyo 6 Universities" have been compared with the "Ivy League", they should be presumed to be similar until I present results from database searches, etc., to prove that the perceptions you think may exist haven't made it into print? Google hits are useless because of the small amount of putatively worthwhile Japanese-language material that gets onto and stays on the web. Should I then spend hours of my life going through databases on CD-ROMs after the libraries reopen?
Whatever "a feeling of elitism" and snobbery mean, could you present any credible evidence that there's thought to be (or even that there is) more around Meiji, Rikkyo and Hosei than around Sophia, ICU and Hitotsubashi? -- Hoary ( talk) 04:15, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
I have been "bold", and redirected the article about the "six" to the one about their baseball. I have also moved the talk page of the former so that it's now an archive of the talk page of the latter. Tama1988 ( talk) 07:17, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
As some of you know, I've been working on Portal:Japan for a few months now trying to get it to Featured Status sometime soon. Well, I think I am finally close. The one section that is totally incomplete, however, is the Selected Prefecture section in the Geography tab. As you can see, I have set up most of the layout and tools needed for each prefecture, but I need complete, standardized text for each. I was hoping someone with a little more experience with Prefectures and the prefecture articles here on Wikipedia could work on a few for me just to get the ball rolling. (Currently I have a few written, but they are not very good and I regard them simply as place holders right now.) I know this is a huge task, so anyone willing to pitch in is appreciated. Also, any comments or criticisms on the Portal as a whole are welcome. -- Torsodog Talk 08:39, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
I just edited the Tokyo Metropolitan Police Department Public Security Bureau recently when I checked the Japanese article and I saw 公安機動捜査隊. I do know that it literally means Public Riot Movement Team. Correct me if I'm wrong, but its fuction are suppose to be related to anti-terrorist work.
Hope that someone can look at this and let me know if I'm right since my Japanese is not that good yet.
Has anyone considered starting Wikipedia:WikiProject Tokyo? There are many articles about Tokyo on EN, so I would think it would help to establish a WikiProject for the metropolis, including the special wards, the western suburbs, and the islands. WhisperToMe ( talk) 19:09, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
Alright, I started the task force for Tokyo. WhisperToMe ( talk) 22:05, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
What is the reading of 在ホノルル日本国総領事館 ( Consulate-General of Japan in Honolulu)? WhisperToMe ( talk) 21:23, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
This article needs cleanup badly. Help? Chris (クリス • フィッチ) ( talk) 22:17, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
The new Mount Bizan, Awa Odori Kaikan and Oasa Hikyo jinja could use a little help. Arigato gosaimasu, Chris (クリス • フィッチ) ( talk) 10:09, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
I need a source saying that Kazuharu Sonoda died on South African Airways Flight 295, but I cannot find a source. WhisperToMe ( talk) 22:07, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
Not sure where to start with this ... I came across Yuki
Yuki or Yūki (Japanese:雪) is a Japanese given name.
and immediately deleted the kanji, I don't know of anyone with the name 雪, if there are it's certainly rare. Following is
One meaning is "brave", while another is "snow", and yet another is "princess".[citation needed]
No, there is no word yuki that means brave or princess - maybe kanji but none spring to mind.
Yuki Given Name Meaning brave, snow, princess
NO! The name doesn't mean that, eg 友紀, 由貴
I randomly checked a few other names in :Category:Japanese_given_names. Allegedly Akane means madder. The entry Yoko_(name) gets the various meaning = various kanji bit right and Keiko is pretty good.
It sounds like a lot of well meaning but not knowledgeable people have tried to be helpful and instead opened a can of worms. The complexity of the Japanese language especially in relation to names, makes any attempt to explain the meaning of names a pretty tough job.
I'm tempted to just go through and delete all these meanings for names but I want to discuss it first. I certainly don't feel like going through and adding example kanji and meanings for each name but as it stands many of these entries are confusing and factually incorrect Brettr ( talk) 14:12, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
Debito Arudou put a post on his site complaining about his Wikipedia entry http://www.debito.org/index.php/?p=1878 - You may need to look at it and see if what he is saying is valid or invalid based on WP:COI and WP:BLP - Also check to ensure that editing does not go out of hand. WhisperToMe ( talk) 00:01, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
Who wants to look at Manga Kenkanryu's POV issues? It has been tagged since December 2007. WhisperToMe ( talk) 02:51, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
Everyone who has an interest in the use of information boxes in Wikipedia may participate at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Infobox and other tables solution discussion. Some earlier discussions (including material copied from other forums) begin at that link, and the main discussion starts below that at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Start of Village Pump discussion. Fg2 ( talk) 22:20, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
I proposed merging Nakamise-Dori into Asakusa. Discussion is welcome at Talk:Asakusa#Merging Nakamise-Dori. Fg2 ( talk) 01:07, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
I would like to label talk pages of articles as for the Tokyo taskforce - How are the labels created? WhisperToMe ( talk) 16:33, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
I keep coming across character articles from Battle Royale that appear to be nothing more than a non-notable summary of that character with no real-world context. Anyway, there are 42 character articles that I'd like to trim and merge into a character list, I'd like input from the group before I do it so I can have a consensus. -- Kraftlos ( talk) 18:44, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
Just want to ask which one is which regarding the anti-firearms unit. I've read that one is permanently assigned to the 7th Riot Squad.
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/銃器対策部隊
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/銃器対策レンジャー部隊
Plan for article in the future... It'd be helpful if anyone can detail me on their English meaning. One of them as the Ranger designation. Ominae ( talk) 04:57, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
Sources are sparse in English, is there anything for those who can read Japanese better than I can?
Thank you! Chris (クリス • フィッチ) ( talk) 11:15, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
Japanese numerals & Chinese numerals has been proposed to be renamed. 70.55.85.143 ( talk) 07:17, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
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This article could use some cleanup. Thanks, Chris (クリス • フィッチ) ( talk) 07:41, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
I ran across the Villa Incognito article by chance. It's only marginaly linked to Japan, but I thought I'd bring it up nonetheless.
The article's a mess. It's written in a way a high-schooler might write if they wanted to pretend they were literary agents, and judging by the talk page, it has been in that awful state for a long while now. Has anyobody here read the novel and would be willing to completely rewrite the article? TomorrowTime ( talk) 18:38, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
True, the tone of the article isn't right, at least for Wikipedia. But still, it's written by a native English speaker. Many (not all of course) articles written by Japanese-speaking contributors have far more problems, I think. (I try to do my best, though.) -- Taku ( talk) 05:40, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
I think WikiProject Novels should handle this instead of us. -- ざくら木 12:33, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
We read that:
It occurs to me that the latter writing is (if quoted accurately) professional (it appeared in a novel that some people have bought) as well as bad not obviously all that good. Might the author of the article and the author of the novel be related?
Sorry, scrub that. Robbins's writing is excellent. It must be. From the recipe here:
Pretty impressive! But it gets better:
Zen, man, can you dig it? Now is this WikiProject Japan material or what? -- Hoary ( talk) 02:54, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
Two historically significant images are up for deletion, please vote. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) ( talk) 01:20, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
I posted some changes to the Cabinet in Cabinet of Japan#The Cabinet (August 2008 to present) according to the Cabinet's Japanese page. However, there has been some shuffling of portfolios and I don't have English translations of new offices, especially at the bottom of the list. So I removed some posts and names. If anyone can add them, it would be valuable information. Also, in case I made mistakes, a second look would be worthwhile. Fg2 ( talk) 03:10, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
(And I don't mean 字幕スーパー.) Whether the tildes in such places as " Best ~Bounce & Lovers~" amuse, dismay, satisfy or delight you, have your say on them here at MoS. -- Hoary ( talk) 10:29, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
Need kanji at Atsumu Ohmura. Badagnani ( talk) 08:32, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
Need kanji at Nobutake Machimura. Thanks in advance. Cla68 ( talk) 00:17, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
A new article titled Minorities in Japan which details discriminatory practices in Japan has been added by User:Vaibs2. I've placed an expert-subject tag on the article requesting a review by experts concerning neutrality, balance, etc. Recently there was an AfD discussion concerning a similar article under a different name ( AfD for Discrimination in Japan). I think it would be best if editors from WikiProject Japan looked at the new article to decide if it is a candidate for merging with Racial issues in Japan, or an afd discussion because it is the same as the previously afd'd article, or perhaps should be renamed since it isn't about minorities in Japan as much as a list of discrimination lawsuits. Can anyone from this project check it out? CactusWriter 06:54, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
I am in complete agreement with LordAmeth's assessment. At the very least this article needs to be immediately renamed to reflect the subject matter. At present, the article lacks even a cursory lede paragraph because it would be impossible to construct one encorporating the term "Minorities in Japan" without presenting a completely biased and one-sided tone. Discrimination lawsuits and incidents in Japan more clearly covers the subject matter. The best next step is to merge this article with Racial issues in Japan which already has laid a good groundwork for presenting this kind of information in a neutral well-rounded manner. And as far as the COI issue goes -- the editor ( User:Vaibs2) using a name like VAIBS (Victims Against Illegal Bank SURUGA) would appear to be making a clear statement about their non-neutrality on discrimination issues. However, that is beside the point here -- the current discussion should remain about the content of the article rather than the editor. CactusWriter 09:22, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
Hello, can someone figure out the kanji for Teiji Ito (a 20th century composer and musician who emigrated from Japan to the U.S.)? Badagnani ( talk) 00:30, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Too bad! I'm sure it exists somewhere, as in Japan there are enthusiasts for every type of art (including the Maya Deren films with scores by Ito. Can you search for Maya Deren in the Japanese Internet and see if his name shows up? Badagnani ( talk) 01:00, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Does anything show up in this search? Badagnani ( talk) 01:02, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Does this search have anything better? Badagnani ( talk) 01:23, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Great, Oda Mari; can you summarize what that website is all about? You're sure it's about the composer? Badagnani ( talk) 20:37, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
I've just added about Jerry Ito to the Teiji Ito article, but could you add more about his family and what types of theater they were involved in? Badagnani ( talk) 07:34, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
Could someone add the Kanji names and links to the Japanese Wikipedia for these two articles on Japanese admirals I just started- Tomiji Koyanagi & Susumu Kimura? Cla68 ( talk) 06:59, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Someone on Talk:Hiroshima asked a question about how the name of the city is pronounced. I tried to explain, but think it would help to add a short audio clip to the article. I wouldn't be the best person to do this, so is there someone here who could do this? -- Aude ( talk) 00:37, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
Bivattchee has been PROD'd, though it's still currently active and plenty notable. The problem is that no sites that make reference to them are in English. I was hoping someone here could put in a little effort and set the article up as at least a passable stub, stating its members, albums and etc which is all easily found out by looking at its official website. - Norse Am Legend ( talk) 05:58, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
On the list of countries in chronological order of achieving statehood, the date given for the founding of Japan, 660 BC, is the traditional date derived from Japanese legend. But in actual historical fact, the Yamato state which would evolve into a unified, coordinated country did not emerge until many centuries later. Whether that date is 538, when the capital was founded at Asuka, 710 when the capital was founded at Nara, or earlier in the Kofun period, is certainly a matter of debate. Many scholars of Japanese history would likely argue that there was no country of "Japan" until 1868. But in any case, whatever date we may choose, it's certainly not 660 BC, as that's simply completely historically inaccurate, going back to a period during the Jomon period before there was any organized government or society of any kind beyond small chiefdoms, extended family clan villages, or something to that effect. Please see discussion at Talk:List of countries in chronological order of achieving statehood, and respond there, not here. Thank you. LordAmeth ( talk) 01:45, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
Tokyo 6 Universities seems to be an article about nothing. "Tokyo 6 Universities" looks to me like a literal (and unidiomatic) translation of a Japanese phrase, ja:東京六大学, that's used to cover six universities in (or near) Tokyo that happen to be united in a baseball tournament and that has no other meaning that I know of. The baseball tournament deserves an article to itself and gets one: Tokyo Big6 Baseball League. Maybe the 東京六大学 article says something deep and significant but if so I can't find it. Am I missing something? Tama1988 ( talk) 10:11, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
Looking at the remarks on the talk page, there may be a good article on Tokyo/Waseda/Keio analogous to that of the Big Three, but this would require some good sourcing on their historical and cultural status (including sourcing any terms or phrases used to refer to them). I also object to the blanket removal of all the material. There was a claim that most prime ministers graduated from a Tokyo 6 university. That has been removed. This is valuable information. It would be analogous to removing the section on social status from the Ivy League article. If we did that, the reader would think this was simply an athletic conference of 8 universities with no significance beyond that, but that would be false. -- C S ( talk) 20:27, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Somebody (and let's not worry who): "I would think it'd be safe to say that all of the Tokyo 6 schools have a level of prestige and advantage, concentrated in the T/W/K Trifecta, but not necessarily because of the fact that they've been playing baseball against each other for 81 years."
On reading this very literally, yes, I agree, they all do have a level of prestige. They also all have an advantage over a fair number of other universities, none of which I'm in the mood to name here. But this person seems to be saying that these six universities are more prestigious than others in Tokyo. This surprises me. (My polite way of saying "Horseshit!") I have no reason to think that Rikkyo, Hosei or Meiji has an advantage over Chuo or Sophia (in Tokyo). I've no reason to think that any except Tokyo has an advantage over Hitotsubashi (also in Tokyo). And this is for mainstream subjects, like economics and law. If we move into less mainstream subjects, then some of these universities are way behind competitors such as Tokyo Gaigo.
How can "prestige" be measured? I fear that the normal way is to use as one's "authority" some piece of journalism in which the writer summarizes what he thinks he remembers he was told somewhere. However, there could be studies of how easy it is to get jobs, etc. My hunch is that inter-university differences would be dwarfed by inter-discipline differences: Rightly or wrongly, business studies beats philosophy or German literature.
Or we can look at the degree of difficulty of entering universities. The clearest I've seen are a set of web pages compiled by "Yozemi"; these prevent any comparison between public and private universities, but for private universities they show that the five private universities among these six are all at least moderately desirable (depending on the school [gakubu] within the university), but that the schools of other private universities in Tokyo can be pretty demanding, or even more demanding. So (for what it's worth), this shows that the toughest schools in private Tokyo universities to get into among the humanities, etc., are at Sophia (not in the "six") and two of the "six", closely followed by a third of the "six", followed by Chuo (not in the "six") and another of the "six"; then Tsuda Juku (not in the "six", but then gals don't traditionally play baseball), followed by the last of the "six". You should not generalize from these results to other areas, but their divergence from any notion that the five private Tokyo universities outclass the rest should be an eye-opener (as should the differences among the schools in any university). -- Hoary ( talk) 15:34, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
I've looked at the article on the Ivy League and I'm not impressed with the relevant part of it. There's a lot of sourced information about sports, which is all well and good for readers who happen to be interested in grown men running around after balls and so forth but anyway is analogous to the article on Tokyo 6 baseball. There's tabular presentation of information that seems adequately expressed in the article on each evidence. As for the notion that the "Ivy League" outclasses the opposition, there's plenty of anecdotal evidence but little systematic evidence.
But back from the inscrutable occident to Japan. [D]o journalists, for example, often refer to "Tokyo 6" in contexts removed from baseball in order to convey a feeling of elitism? e.g., a comment like "so-and-so has no consideration for the less fortunate. After all he graduated from a Tokyo 6 and we know what snobs those people are" etc.
Some Japanese journalists say bizarre things when in their cups and some of it gets into print. But such a comment would be daffy even for a wino. Even granted that Keio may have created something of a religion of itself and its founder, it's fairly big and Waseda is a lot bigger. The idea that Meiji and Hosei, say, are "exclusive", or that their graduates are seen as a group as "snobs" is laughable. Such perceptions may exist for Tokyo but then again they may also exist for, say, Hitotsubashi.
Are you saying that because the "Tokyo 6 Universities" have been compared with the "Ivy League", they should be presumed to be similar until I present results from database searches, etc., to prove that the perceptions you think may exist haven't made it into print? Google hits are useless because of the small amount of putatively worthwhile Japanese-language material that gets onto and stays on the web. Should I then spend hours of my life going through databases on CD-ROMs after the libraries reopen?
Whatever "a feeling of elitism" and snobbery mean, could you present any credible evidence that there's thought to be (or even that there is) more around Meiji, Rikkyo and Hosei than around Sophia, ICU and Hitotsubashi? -- Hoary ( talk) 04:15, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
I have been "bold", and redirected the article about the "six" to the one about their baseball. I have also moved the talk page of the former so that it's now an archive of the talk page of the latter. Tama1988 ( talk) 07:17, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
As some of you know, I've been working on Portal:Japan for a few months now trying to get it to Featured Status sometime soon. Well, I think I am finally close. The one section that is totally incomplete, however, is the Selected Prefecture section in the Geography tab. As you can see, I have set up most of the layout and tools needed for each prefecture, but I need complete, standardized text for each. I was hoping someone with a little more experience with Prefectures and the prefecture articles here on Wikipedia could work on a few for me just to get the ball rolling. (Currently I have a few written, but they are not very good and I regard them simply as place holders right now.) I know this is a huge task, so anyone willing to pitch in is appreciated. Also, any comments or criticisms on the Portal as a whole are welcome. -- Torsodog Talk 08:39, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
I just edited the Tokyo Metropolitan Police Department Public Security Bureau recently when I checked the Japanese article and I saw 公安機動捜査隊. I do know that it literally means Public Riot Movement Team. Correct me if I'm wrong, but its fuction are suppose to be related to anti-terrorist work.
Hope that someone can look at this and let me know if I'm right since my Japanese is not that good yet.
Has anyone considered starting Wikipedia:WikiProject Tokyo? There are many articles about Tokyo on EN, so I would think it would help to establish a WikiProject for the metropolis, including the special wards, the western suburbs, and the islands. WhisperToMe ( talk) 19:09, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
Alright, I started the task force for Tokyo. WhisperToMe ( talk) 22:05, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
What is the reading of 在ホノルル日本国総領事館 ( Consulate-General of Japan in Honolulu)? WhisperToMe ( talk) 21:23, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
This article needs cleanup badly. Help? Chris (クリス • フィッチ) ( talk) 22:17, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
The new Mount Bizan, Awa Odori Kaikan and Oasa Hikyo jinja could use a little help. Arigato gosaimasu, Chris (クリス • フィッチ) ( talk) 10:09, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
I need a source saying that Kazuharu Sonoda died on South African Airways Flight 295, but I cannot find a source. WhisperToMe ( talk) 22:07, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
Not sure where to start with this ... I came across Yuki
Yuki or Yūki (Japanese:雪) is a Japanese given name.
and immediately deleted the kanji, I don't know of anyone with the name 雪, if there are it's certainly rare. Following is
One meaning is "brave", while another is "snow", and yet another is "princess".[citation needed]
No, there is no word yuki that means brave or princess - maybe kanji but none spring to mind.
Yuki Given Name Meaning brave, snow, princess
NO! The name doesn't mean that, eg 友紀, 由貴
I randomly checked a few other names in :Category:Japanese_given_names. Allegedly Akane means madder. The entry Yoko_(name) gets the various meaning = various kanji bit right and Keiko is pretty good.
It sounds like a lot of well meaning but not knowledgeable people have tried to be helpful and instead opened a can of worms. The complexity of the Japanese language especially in relation to names, makes any attempt to explain the meaning of names a pretty tough job.
I'm tempted to just go through and delete all these meanings for names but I want to discuss it first. I certainly don't feel like going through and adding example kanji and meanings for each name but as it stands many of these entries are confusing and factually incorrect Brettr ( talk) 14:12, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
Debito Arudou put a post on his site complaining about his Wikipedia entry http://www.debito.org/index.php/?p=1878 - You may need to look at it and see if what he is saying is valid or invalid based on WP:COI and WP:BLP - Also check to ensure that editing does not go out of hand. WhisperToMe ( talk) 00:01, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
Who wants to look at Manga Kenkanryu's POV issues? It has been tagged since December 2007. WhisperToMe ( talk) 02:51, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
Everyone who has an interest in the use of information boxes in Wikipedia may participate at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Infobox and other tables solution discussion. Some earlier discussions (including material copied from other forums) begin at that link, and the main discussion starts below that at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Start of Village Pump discussion. Fg2 ( talk) 22:20, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
I proposed merging Nakamise-Dori into Asakusa. Discussion is welcome at Talk:Asakusa#Merging Nakamise-Dori. Fg2 ( talk) 01:07, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
I would like to label talk pages of articles as for the Tokyo taskforce - How are the labels created? WhisperToMe ( talk) 16:33, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
I keep coming across character articles from Battle Royale that appear to be nothing more than a non-notable summary of that character with no real-world context. Anyway, there are 42 character articles that I'd like to trim and merge into a character list, I'd like input from the group before I do it so I can have a consensus. -- Kraftlos ( talk) 18:44, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
Just want to ask which one is which regarding the anti-firearms unit. I've read that one is permanently assigned to the 7th Riot Squad.
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/銃器対策部隊
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/銃器対策レンジャー部隊
Plan for article in the future... It'd be helpful if anyone can detail me on their English meaning. One of them as the Ranger designation. Ominae ( talk) 04:57, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
Sources are sparse in English, is there anything for those who can read Japanese better than I can?
Thank you! Chris (クリス • フィッチ) ( talk) 11:15, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
Japanese numerals & Chinese numerals has been proposed to be renamed. 70.55.85.143 ( talk) 07:17, 31 August 2008 (UTC)