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Hello, WikiProject,
This article was just moved into the main space of the project and I was hoping that someone who knows more about the subject could look it over and make sure it is consistent with Wikipedia's coverage of Native Americans and Indigenous People in the U.S. Thanks for any help you can supply. Liz Read! Talk! 20:48, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
How would people feel about us putting together another content essay, this time a style guide to help editors write about Indigenous topics? Off the top of my head, this would include avoiding generalizing statements and preventing unjustified use of the past tense. We could also use some guidelines on respecting tribal sovereignty and treating tribes as nations rather than ethnic groups. Vizjim ( talk) 16:04, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Hello, I was going to change the word Aboriginal on the page to Indian, first nations, or indigenous as aboriginal refers specifically to the indigenous peoples of Australia. with the specific history associated with it. with the North American indigenous people having our own names. with American Indians, and first nations, fitting much more. I was wondering if anyone has any concerns about me changing it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rommel's editor ( talk • contribs) 21:34, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
Talk:Pretendian#Requested move 21 December 2021:
Discussion could use more eyes from those who have read the article and sources. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 18:40, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
I nominated Yaanga for GA status and it has just received a very favorable report with relatively few suggestions. If anyone can pitch in to help get it to GA in the next few days, it would be appreciated. (I didn't write the article myself and the user who did appears to be inactive.) Vizjim ( talk) 20:17, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
Hello all, I am currently in a discussion regarding the use of Cherokee as both a sole nationality and a shared nationality of the three Federally recognized tribes on Dan Hornbuckle's talk page. I request that you all please take a moment to review the discussion and share your opinion or identify any rules we are failing to realize here. Thank you. -- WashuOtaku ( talk) 18:48, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
Please see the discussion at Talk:List of indigenous peoples regarding the absence hundreds of sources in this article. If possible, contribute to discussion and provide input.
List of indigenous peoples is a massive list of which the majority of entries are are without citation. The article is in need of a team of editors to procedurally review each entry and identify reliable sources--or lack thereof.
There is also an ongoing discussion regarding the terms of inclusion in this list, which you are welcome to get involved in.
We have United States v. Washington, a Featured Article concerning one significant decision (the "Boldt Decision") in 1974 establishing/reaffirming indigenous fishing rights on the Columbia River and tributaries under U.S. law. It's my understanding that Sohappy v. Smith and the accompanying "Belloni Decision" from just a few years before is of similar significance, but that Wikipedia article is very short and incomplete by comparison.
I've started a discussion to determine whether the latter should be merged into the former (which already discusses it in some detail), or whether it's better to build out a separate article. I have no strong preference one way or the other, but I think the existing Sohappy article is insufficient to give a reader a decent overview of the topic. Please weigh in at Talk:Sohappy v. Smith if you have a view on how to improve it, or if you think it's better to merge. - Pete Forsyth ( talk) 03:45, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
We mention it quite a few times, it seems notable. Doug Weller talk 09:12, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
Hello all, I started a biography of Rosanne Casimir today, who is Kúkpi7 (Chief) of the Tk’emlúps te Secwépemc. I don't usually work on first nations people, so i wondered if a member of the project would mind just giving it a read and to let me know if I have made any mistakes? Thanks in advance, Lajmmoore ( talk) 17:16, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
A user has made First Nations into a disambig page, initiating sweeping changes to many pages. I'm seeing WP:OR and misconceptions. Some of their changes could use more experienced eyes. I'm not convinced sourcing backs up a lot of what is being pushed through here. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 19:53, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
I've put the article Squandro up for deletion, and would welcome input from the knowledgeable editors of this page. On the one hand, I suspect this is a settler story without much basis in fact. On the other hand, I don't want to be responsible for deleting an article about a historical 17th century sachem if he was real. Vizjim ( talk) 09:06, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
This might be worth mentioning in the NAGPRA article. I don't think much attention is being paid to the article itself. Responding to Claims of Archaeological Racism SAA statement. Review of their book here. Doug Weller talk 12:25, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
I've added the AP Style guidelines to the project page. They clearly indicate that "Indigenous" should be capitalized, along with a few other particulars that I included in a pull quote. I've been doing some wikignoming/copyediting to address this on the 'pedia, but it needs more attention, in a bunch more articles (easily findable via search). If there are protected pages that need to be moved, I can do that. But anyone can go through and address the capitalization issue, using the sources we have now.
Here they are as formatted cites:
As for writing up our own bit to put in the MOS, I've been for this all along. I've only hesitated as I'm still a bit unclear on where we put it. But as we now have these sources, I think we can just use these citations to write something concise and go ahead with it. At some point here on talk (archived now) I think we figured out where and how to add it to the MOS; I just can't recall at the moment. I think we looked to one of the other ethnic projects for suggestions. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 20:13, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
It might be a good idea to look at the articles where we use him as a source. I've pointed to one where he's been rebutted. Doug Weller talk 14:06, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
Hi all, there's a discussion ongoing at Talk:2020 Canadian pipeline and railway protests#Two articles or one? about the need to broaden the scope of that article, and the particular need to rename it. It would be great to get some broader participation in the discussion. Thanks! James Hyett ( talk) 20:18, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
I recently created an article for the film Home From School: The Children of Carlisle. Any help would be appreciated. Thriley ( talk) 22:44, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
I can't seem to find the stuff we have written up about this. I know we have an ongoing consensus about it, but we need to put it at WP:NCP, because general editors don't usually know to ask here. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 21:28, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
I just found this page. Didn't even know it existed: Wikipedia:Naming conventions (ethnicities and tribes). We definitely need to update/improve it. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 18:16, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
I've expanded this article to reflect the 5th Circuit panel and en banc opinions, and submitted a GAN on it. If anyone could take a look, I would be appreciative. GregJackP Boomer! 08:20, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
I pulled a lot of very dubious material that was original research, uncited, or based on self-published material from the Abenaki article, but it could still use a lot of help. There's very little about Abenaki today in Quebec. Any assistance welcome! Yuchitown ( talk) 16:11, 20 March 2022 (UTC)Yuchitown
I just created a brief draft for the recently discovered White Sands fossil footprints. Any help would be appreciated. Thriley ( talk) 19:32, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
Hi all, I recently noticed that the Wikipedia article naming conventions don't do a very good job of accounting for the unique political circumstances of tribal nations within the borders of the US. I've made my case for this over on this this talk page. If you're interested, or would like to participate in the discussion about whether and how to change these conventions, please drop by and leave a comment. Thanks! Aquaticonions ( talk) 17:43, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
Coatrack issues and OR. See recent edits and Talk:Johnny_Depp#Depps Native Heritage {sic} - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 19:28, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
Please provide your input; informal RfA. Thanks, GenQuest "scribble" 12:49, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
What particularly interests me here is the claim " millions of tribes have been wiped from our textbooks are rarely written about." Seems unlikely Doug Weller talk 11:15, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like
John Smith "[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14.
)and turns it into something like
It will work on a variety of links, including those from {{ cite web}}, {{ cite journal}} and {{ doi}}.
The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.
Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.
This is a one time notice and can't be unsubscribed from. Delivered by: MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) 16:01, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
This draft was just accepted into mainspace. No doubt Marcia is notable for inclusion however, I wanted to focus on the Cherokee heritage portion of the article. When the draft was brought to us at Women in Red it read that she called herself "half-breed" which we all know as a derogatory term but also stated she was an elder of the EBCI. We found no official record of her being an elder or even claiming membership in the EBCI. It has been left in the article because it is directly correlated to the source but I think we are all struggling with it being in the article while not knowing if she was enrolled with the EBCI which would have been a basic requirement for being an elder. I did add our project template to the article but only because of her connection with the ethnomusicology of Native American music and not any purported heritage or connection with the EBCI. ARose Wolf 18:41, 20 May 2022 (UTC)--edited 18:42, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
Hello friends, just a note to say that next month WikiProject Women in Red has a focus on women from Greenland (& the Faroes), which may have some crossovers with your work here. We always welcome collaboration, details are on the event page. Many thanks Lajmmoore ( talk) 10:17, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
Full of unsourced text. Once it's cleaned up, there won't be much there. Seems like whatever is usable would be best merged into another article, with a redirect or disambig at that name. Thoughts on where to put it? - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 19:21, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
Just wanted to let this group know this article is being considered for deletion: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dahti Tsetso. Yuchitown ( talk) 15:37, 31 May 2022 (UTC)Yuchitown
Wikipedia:Australian Wikipedians' notice board, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the [ page. Thank you. Poketama ( talk) 16:35, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
Posting this here as I thought this WikiProject may have some useful input on whether Indigenous placenames should be included in the article lead and what other regions have considered. Thank you. Poketama ( talk) 16:35, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
I went looking for such a template for a redirect and couldn't find one. Do you think it would be useful? RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 13:08, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
I recently created a draft for the Indian Law Resource Center. Any help finding sourcing would be appreciated. Thank you, Thriley ( talk) 21:58, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
Looking for opinions and comments at Talk:Inuit#Inuit or the Inuit. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 06:28, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
Not many listed at Category:Pyramids in the United States. We have Platform mound, List of burial mounds in the United States which doesn't mention the word pyramid at all and has "burial mounds" as a redirect for Tumulus. Mound builders does talk about pyramids but not in the lead. This late 19th century source [3] calls them pyramids multiple times. My concern is whether our articles give Native Americans the credit they should have. Doug Weller talk 15:16, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
The page for Taino people has seen a significant amount of conflict that has been unresolved, and doesn't appear to have had any formal discussions, for over a decade. This is primarily around if Wikipedia should recognise the several groups who claim to be Taino in modern times. The conventional wisdom seems to be that the Taino have not existed as a people for hundreds of years; while the opposing view is that the Taino have either continued quietly or have reinvigorated a sleeping culture. Both have research and sources to back them up.
Even if it is readily demonstratable that the Taino are not a continuous culture and are instead represented by a sort of 'Neo-Taino' - this also warrants addressing in the article. As it stands, there are many people who claim to be Taino who attempt to edit Wikipedia or express themselves on the Talk page and are shut down. This isn't a very good look; and the controversy has led to an article that is confusing to a huge fault. For example: in the lead it says that the Taino 'were' a people, while in the article body it talks about many Taino communities; including one that received Federal Recognition in 2021 in the US Virgin Islands.
While the case of the expressed extinguishment of the Taino people would have been many generations before, from an Australian lens this doesn't seem enough to disqualify their legitimacy. Neither does, as one user said on the
Talk:Taíno page, a requirement that they constantly speak Taino language, wear Taino clothes, or cook Taino food. This is not something that most people on reservations in the US do either.
I also am unsure of the claim that because they are not a registered tribe by the US Federal Government, they are not a tribe. This sets off a lot of red flags as I'm sure anyone with a cursory knowledge of colonialism would understand.
Following input from users here, I think an RfC on this issue may be necessary to resolve this long-standing conflict.
Disclaimer: My understanding of North American indigenous peoples is limited. I've done some research into the Taino to try to get my head around it but have not formed an opinion on the issue. I am focused on Australia, where there are not the concepts of 'blood-quantum', formal tribal rolls, or recognition of 'sovereign' tribes. So the situation is significantly different, and the general understanding in Australia is that an
Australian Aboriginal person is any person with Aboriginal heritage no matter how distant. There's also not a significant number of people here who claim Aboriginal ancestry without it being truthful. All these issues appear to be near-opposite in the USA. Specifically in regards to the Taino, in Australia, significant movements to reinvigorate near-extinguished cultures have been hugely successful and have been seen as legitimate because they are run by people of descent from those groups, and with the understanding that their culture was extinguished by force during colonisation.
PS I have also posted this comment on Talk:Taíno. Poketama ( talk) 04:32, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
I have opened discussions on moving the following pages:
Iroquois men's national lacrosse team
Iroquois women's national lacrosse team
Iroquois men's national under-19 lacrosse team
Iroquois women's national under-19 lacrosse team
During the recent 2022 World Lacrosse Women's World Championship, press referred to the women's team as the " Haudenoseaunee" https://www.si.com/tv/lacrosse/2022/07/07/usa-vs-australia-womens-lacrosse-world-championship-semifinal-stream-free dashiellx ( talk) 18:49, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
Seems like almost half the entries on List of Native American musicians were Canadian, so I created the List of Indigenous musicians in Canada. I'm not particularly familiar with Canadian Indigenous musicians (except Buffy St. Marie), so any help populating this list would be welcome! Yuchitown ( talk) 15:40, 14 July 2022 (UTC)Yuchitown
Someone just added Accawmacke/Gingaskin Indians of Virginia's Eastern Shore to the List of unrecognized tribes here. I reverted the edit because it linked to this web page, which has a prominent section very near the top of the page asking for donations. Does anybody know anything about this group? I have no opinion on the legitiamcy of the group, but I do think the prominent request for donations falls, at least partly, under the provision "Links mainly intended to promote a website, including online petitions and crowdfunding pages. See Wikipedia:Spam § External link spamming" in WP:ELNO. Donald Albury 18:37, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
I'd appreciate your input on this topic to resolve some long disputed issues about modern Taino movements. /info/en/?search=Talk:Taíno#Request_for_Comment_on_Modern_Taino_Identity Poketama ( talk) 22:45, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
The page for Andrew Jackson is technically a featured article, but it could really benefit from more indigenous perspectives. The current introduction describes Jackson as a hero of “democracy” and the “common man,” and an editor there is adamant that these aspects of white politics are more notable than his systematic ethnic cleansing. Seems like something people here would be interested in addressing? FinnV3 ( talk) 19:37, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
Notifications must be polite, neutrally worded...Your writings here been neither respectful of editors disagreeing with you nor neutrally worded. I'm not going to formally complain now, both because you have not been warned before and because Hobomok's contributions to the discussion have been productive, but I warn you not to do this again. If you do, you can expect to be reported. Display name 99 ( talk) 19:51, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
The Andrew Jackson article requires substantial cleanup (especially related to Indigenous issues), as described in ongoing discussion on its talk page. Following the article assessment guide, I ranked this article a "C," but another editor changed the ranking to "FA." I realized that the article assessment guide gives conflicting advice. How should we assess articles that have attained featured article status but still require substantial cleanup? FinnV3 ( talk) 04:15, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
Discussion for American Indian elder to be renamed and moved to North American Indigenous elder. The article needs an overhaul, as well. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 19:07, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
I've asked at Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Capital_letters#Cap_Indigenous? whether I've missed a discussion on capitaization of Indigenous. Anybody here know? I see the linked external guides, but has there been any discussion among WP editors about this? Dicklyon ( talk) 05:33, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
Has this WikiProject ever hosted a wiki-a-thon? I've never hosted one but would be happy to help (not in September or October, but in the future). Also, the wiki-a-thon's seemed focused on biographies, but List of Alaska Native tribal entities has more than a hundred red links that User:ARoseWolf worked on, but that's far too much work for one person. Yuchitown ( talk) 21:07, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Yuchitown
I have nominated Andrew Jackson for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. FinnV3 ( talk) 20:58, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
Hello. I'm considering effecting a split for the Lumbee article, with that article remaining the area for information on Lumbee people (history and culture, etc.) and having a new article on the Lumbee tribal organization, which has its own constitution, elections, social services, etc. Is this typically done and do you have any advice on how to go about this? - Indy beetle ( talk) 02:39, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
User:Indy beetle, yes, you could absolutely create Lumbee Tribe of North Carolina, about the specific state-recognized tribe and its administration. That's common throughout Native articles—broad umbrella articles like Shawnee, then specific ones for particular tribes, like Shawnee Tribe, Eastern Shawnee Tribe of Oklahoma, and Absentee Shawnee Tribe of Indians. If you want, I can help. Yuchitown ( talk) 03:25, 24 August 2022 (UTC)Yuchitown
After learning about the recently elected Yup'ik politician Mary Peltola, I started this article: Orutsararmiut Native Council. It would benefit from editors who are knowledgeable on the topic of indigenous peoples. I had never heard of a tribe being named a council. TJMSmith ( talk) 23:43, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
I think this is mostly being done by a sockdrawer, but there are at least a few users that have been involved over the years, on a number of Native articles. Lately it's the BLPS for the actors on the new TV shows, and the TV shows themselves, where we have users and WP:LOUTSOCK IPs coming along and removing peoples' nations, tribes, and citizenship entirely, or downgrading them to "of descent" when they are citizens. A look at my recent contribs will show the articles that have been targeted, and the policies cited (both correctly and misrepresented). I'd appreciate more eyes, articles put on watchlists, etc. Thanks. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 19:13, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
List of Alaska Native tribal entities was years out of date, so I updated it to the current Federal Register. Most of the redirects go to towns/communities, not necessarily articles specifically for the federally recognized Alaskan tribe. Native Village of Afognak and the above-mentioned Orutsararmiut Native Council are both promising examples of a Category:Native American tribes in Alaska. What is the best infobox to use for these articles? Template:Infobox organization, Template:Infobox government agency, Template:Infobox tribe (sounds promising but tailored toward ancient Middle Eastern groups), or Template:Infobox ethnic group? I've never made an infobox, but maybe the time has come to create an infobox for US federally recognized tribes. Yuchitown ( talk) 17:09, 3 September 2022 (UTC)Yuchitown
I'm happy to say that I got Ignace Tonené to good article status. CT55555 ( talk) 11:18, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
I want to write a short article on Lynette Lewis Alston, the first Native American elected to the role of president of the Board of Trustees of the Virginia Museum of Fine Arts. [1] She is the Chief of the Nottoway Indian Tribe of Virginia. [2] [3] Is she considered Native American under your guidelines? Specifically can she be called Native American if the Nottoway Tribe in not federally recognized? Thanks. WomenArtistUpdates ( talk) 22:56, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
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Anyone here with expertise on totem poles? Or who can refer me to someone who does?
Commons just got a very nice contribution of high-res scans from the Seattle Public Library Special Collections, including some very nice late 19th-century pictures of totem poles. However, I've found enough errors in metadata in areas where I do know my stuff to be very suspicious of the metadata in areas where I don't. The following two high-res images were identified as being from Wrangell, Alaska:
However, they don't match any other images we have for Wrangell in that era, and we have a lot. I suspect they are from somewhere else near Wrangell, and I also suspect they will turn out to be the best images we have of the respective poles.
Any help is welcome. - Jmabel | Talk 02:17, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
This also got sorted out at https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Humanities&oldid=1110514947#Totem_poles. It's the Beaver Pole, it just looked to someone like a bear. - Jmabel | Talk 23:37, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
Needs more eyes. There is some slo-mo edit-warring, disruption and incivility etc from someone (and maybe others, maybe socks) who doesn't seem to understand some basic things about the cultures in question, Oklahoma laws, the US, etc. This may wind up at ANI, etc, but needs more input from those who understand the topics. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 18:48, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
There is a discussion on the talk page of Wounded Knee Battlefield regarding changing the name of the article and moving it from Wounded Knee Battlefield → Wounded Knee National Historic Landmark. Please consider participating in the discussion. Netherzone ( talk) 13:25, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
Needs cleanup by project members experienced with WP:NDNID issues as pertains to First Nations identity, vs descendants, and/or claimants to such status. Lots of IP and new account edits have necessitated semi-protection, and I'm going to flag it for some of the other issues, as well. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 23:07, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
Hello all! I plan to create a new Wikipedia article focusing on police brutality against Indigenous Canadians, structured similarly to Police brutality against Native Americans. It can be a parent page for Saskatoon freezing deaths among other articles. Let me know your thoughts or any tips/source you all have! Skyef25 ( talk) 22:15, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
This unregistered user repetitively edits articles of Mi'kmaq Grand Chiefs. Is there an easy way to get them to stop? YvesRetailleau ( talk) 02:30, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
I have requested a peer review for Abishabis, a Cree religous leader in the 1840s. I am hoping to bring this article to GAN in early 2023, then FAC afterwards. However, this is the first article of an Indigenous person that I am bringing through these processes, so any comments (especially about the correct language to use) would be appreciated. PR is located here. Thanks all! Z1720 ( talk) 02:36, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
So, now that she's passed, her family are talking about how, well, they're not Native. And her fans don't like it. The article and talk page are being thrashed about on by users who.... for the most part seem wholly unfamiliar with how to handle these issues. I've said a couple things, there and at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#Sacheen Littlefeather. More eyes from those familiar with these issues would definitely be helpful. Or even if you can just help wrangle those who think acknowledging lack of tribal connection/verification/claim is libel. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 00:49, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
Has confusing wording in the lede about whether he was a citizen or descendant. Needs a line edit, better sourcing to WP:NDNID-RS standards, and cat check from someone who knows. Thanks. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 18:52, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
Hello Everyone,
I am a writer/scholar in environmental, literary, and Native American/Indigenous studies.
I am currently writing an article for a popular magazine regarding issues and debates I've seen on Wikipedia regarding Indigenous and Native American histories. Mainly, I've noticed that on U.S. history related pages like Andrew Jackson, the Trail of Tears, and Climate Change in the United States, long-term and majority editors at those pages have real issue with representing Native scholarship and Native histories being added (resisting adding Potawatomi philosopher Kyle Powys Whyte's work on climate change pages, insisting on calling Indian Removal policy on Jackson's page "Forced removal" rather than other terms/only focusing on Cherokee removal rather than the entire scope of removal, etc.). The fact that this information is so hard to add, and the fact that sources from Native scholars are generally dismissed on these pages, while outdated writing from scholars who celebrate Jackson, for example, are accepted without a second thought, is something I want to call attention to.
I was pointed to this page by another editor, and I was wondering if anyone here had time to talk about their experience editing Wikipedia on Indigenous/Native American topics (positive/negative/anything in between)? If so, I can be reached via email on my talk page, or if you would rather, feel free to leave me a message and I can email you. It is possible to remain anonymous throughout this process if you would like to speak to me.
If you do not have time or do not want to speak on this subject, no worries--I just wanted to reach out and see if anyone had anything that they might want to share.
Thank you for your time!
EnviroMoose ( talk) 21:51, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
The article for Great Sioux Nation contains almost all of the same information contained at Sioux and should be redirected to the main article per WP:Redundant and WP:Content forking. Oceti Sakowin is the name the Sioux people call their traditional political/social structure as is explained on the main Sioux page Etymology section. Do I just replace the content with a redirect or is there another method? oncamera (talk page) 05:19, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
Some editors have not adopted this, resulting in exchanges like this one. While MOS:RACECAPS notes that "Native American" is capitalized, we should add "Indigenous". As it's a policy page, I think we will have to discuss it on MOS talk. I'm also encountering issues with people removing tribal identification from the lede of some bios, per MOS:ETHNICITY. I think we should consider putting in something about an exception to this, as it's about citizenship, etc, not race. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 20:17, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
As all of this interconnects, I have also brought up amending MOS:ETHNICITY to clarify that Indigenous identity is based in citizenship, not race. Too often these things are decided by people unfamiliar with the topics. Would really appreciate experienced input at: Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Biography MOS:ETHNICITY and citizenship. Thanks! - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 20:59, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
Hey, all! POTD has this film coming up. If anyone wants to help make sure it's appropriately contextualized (both in blurb for the main page and in the article the club's taken from) please do. Adam Cuerden ( talk)Has about 8.2% of all FPs. Currently celebrating his 600th FP! 20:43, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
Presently the entry on Haudenosaunee refers to them as Iroquois. However, this word has its roots as a slur meaning "snakes" and was never used by the Haudenosaunee themselves.
Although there is an entry on the article's talk page inquiring about change, it doesn't seem too hopeful as the prevailing argument against updating the page's title is that Iroquois is still more commonly used by English speakers despite the colonial history entrenched in that term.
Moreover, some are arguing of a exonym vs. endonym situation, despite the word Haudenosaunee being a perfectly valid word to use in English, especially considering the existing page title, Iroquois, is itself a loan word from French.
Seeking the help of someone more influential than myself on this platform to help get this change through. We need to update the title, set up a redirect for the word Iroquois, and also set up a section explaining why the term Iroquois is controversial. OddlyOaktree ( talk) 17:29, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
Lipan Apache people , State-recognized tribes in the United States and List of unrecognized tribes in the United States. Thanks. Doug Weller talk 19:07, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
What a mess. Needs a total rewrite, or WP:TNT. If no one has the time and energy to fix it, I've proposed deletion. If you've got the spoons and can dive in and do it, just remove the prod. But only if you're going to really do it. Concerns noted in the cleanup templates and prod up top. Oh my. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 21:20, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
He seems like a great guy but his article badly needs sourcing. It's hard to read also because there is so much in each section and I'm guessing a lot can be removed. Doug Weller talk 13:51, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
I notice that an editor has put out a Request for Comment at Talk:Métis#RFC_Ontario. Dan Carkner ( talk) 17:59, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
I was looking for a bit of input on categorization. I'm currently working on an article about an Aymara Bolivian politician. Would that individual be categorized under Category:Bolivian politicians of indigenous peoples descent or Category:Aymara politicians? Is the latter a narrower category or would both be more appropriate? Krisgabwoosh ( talk) 08:47, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
Dreadfully unsourced and I suspect pretty inaccurate. Doug Weller talk 20:01, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
Hi friends, this is my first time on this WikiProject. I’m working on the Chief Seattle page and an editor is citing a source that describes a war between the Suquamish and the Chimakum as genocide because many Chimakum were killed and the ones left were forced to integrate into other tribes. Although the Chimakum were later signatories at the Point No Point Treaty.
Personally I think this is quite a stretch of the word genocide. I think the role of it’s inclusion is less to spread awareness about genocide and more to further a colonizer narrative that demonizes indigenous peoples as “savages.”
As a new Wikipedian, I’m wondering if you all have any advice about how to go about this situation. t̕igʷicid AdJHu • 胡安祝 12:53, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
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Hello, WikiProject,
This article was just moved into the main space of the project and I was hoping that someone who knows more about the subject could look it over and make sure it is consistent with Wikipedia's coverage of Native Americans and Indigenous People in the U.S. Thanks for any help you can supply. Liz Read! Talk! 20:48, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
How would people feel about us putting together another content essay, this time a style guide to help editors write about Indigenous topics? Off the top of my head, this would include avoiding generalizing statements and preventing unjustified use of the past tense. We could also use some guidelines on respecting tribal sovereignty and treating tribes as nations rather than ethnic groups. Vizjim ( talk) 16:04, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Hello, I was going to change the word Aboriginal on the page to Indian, first nations, or indigenous as aboriginal refers specifically to the indigenous peoples of Australia. with the specific history associated with it. with the North American indigenous people having our own names. with American Indians, and first nations, fitting much more. I was wondering if anyone has any concerns about me changing it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rommel's editor ( talk • contribs) 21:34, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
Talk:Pretendian#Requested move 21 December 2021:
Discussion could use more eyes from those who have read the article and sources. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 18:40, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
I nominated Yaanga for GA status and it has just received a very favorable report with relatively few suggestions. If anyone can pitch in to help get it to GA in the next few days, it would be appreciated. (I didn't write the article myself and the user who did appears to be inactive.) Vizjim ( talk) 20:17, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
Hello all, I am currently in a discussion regarding the use of Cherokee as both a sole nationality and a shared nationality of the three Federally recognized tribes on Dan Hornbuckle's talk page. I request that you all please take a moment to review the discussion and share your opinion or identify any rules we are failing to realize here. Thank you. -- WashuOtaku ( talk) 18:48, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
Please see the discussion at Talk:List of indigenous peoples regarding the absence hundreds of sources in this article. If possible, contribute to discussion and provide input.
List of indigenous peoples is a massive list of which the majority of entries are are without citation. The article is in need of a team of editors to procedurally review each entry and identify reliable sources--or lack thereof.
There is also an ongoing discussion regarding the terms of inclusion in this list, which you are welcome to get involved in.
We have United States v. Washington, a Featured Article concerning one significant decision (the "Boldt Decision") in 1974 establishing/reaffirming indigenous fishing rights on the Columbia River and tributaries under U.S. law. It's my understanding that Sohappy v. Smith and the accompanying "Belloni Decision" from just a few years before is of similar significance, but that Wikipedia article is very short and incomplete by comparison.
I've started a discussion to determine whether the latter should be merged into the former (which already discusses it in some detail), or whether it's better to build out a separate article. I have no strong preference one way or the other, but I think the existing Sohappy article is insufficient to give a reader a decent overview of the topic. Please weigh in at Talk:Sohappy v. Smith if you have a view on how to improve it, or if you think it's better to merge. - Pete Forsyth ( talk) 03:45, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
We mention it quite a few times, it seems notable. Doug Weller talk 09:12, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
Hello all, I started a biography of Rosanne Casimir today, who is Kúkpi7 (Chief) of the Tk’emlúps te Secwépemc. I don't usually work on first nations people, so i wondered if a member of the project would mind just giving it a read and to let me know if I have made any mistakes? Thanks in advance, Lajmmoore ( talk) 17:16, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
A user has made First Nations into a disambig page, initiating sweeping changes to many pages. I'm seeing WP:OR and misconceptions. Some of their changes could use more experienced eyes. I'm not convinced sourcing backs up a lot of what is being pushed through here. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 19:53, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
I've put the article Squandro up for deletion, and would welcome input from the knowledgeable editors of this page. On the one hand, I suspect this is a settler story without much basis in fact. On the other hand, I don't want to be responsible for deleting an article about a historical 17th century sachem if he was real. Vizjim ( talk) 09:06, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
This might be worth mentioning in the NAGPRA article. I don't think much attention is being paid to the article itself. Responding to Claims of Archaeological Racism SAA statement. Review of their book here. Doug Weller talk 12:25, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
I've added the AP Style guidelines to the project page. They clearly indicate that "Indigenous" should be capitalized, along with a few other particulars that I included in a pull quote. I've been doing some wikignoming/copyediting to address this on the 'pedia, but it needs more attention, in a bunch more articles (easily findable via search). If there are protected pages that need to be moved, I can do that. But anyone can go through and address the capitalization issue, using the sources we have now.
Here they are as formatted cites:
As for writing up our own bit to put in the MOS, I've been for this all along. I've only hesitated as I'm still a bit unclear on where we put it. But as we now have these sources, I think we can just use these citations to write something concise and go ahead with it. At some point here on talk (archived now) I think we figured out where and how to add it to the MOS; I just can't recall at the moment. I think we looked to one of the other ethnic projects for suggestions. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 20:13, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
It might be a good idea to look at the articles where we use him as a source. I've pointed to one where he's been rebutted. Doug Weller talk 14:06, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
Hi all, there's a discussion ongoing at Talk:2020 Canadian pipeline and railway protests#Two articles or one? about the need to broaden the scope of that article, and the particular need to rename it. It would be great to get some broader participation in the discussion. Thanks! James Hyett ( talk) 20:18, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
I recently created an article for the film Home From School: The Children of Carlisle. Any help would be appreciated. Thriley ( talk) 22:44, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
I can't seem to find the stuff we have written up about this. I know we have an ongoing consensus about it, but we need to put it at WP:NCP, because general editors don't usually know to ask here. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 21:28, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
I just found this page. Didn't even know it existed: Wikipedia:Naming conventions (ethnicities and tribes). We definitely need to update/improve it. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 18:16, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
I've expanded this article to reflect the 5th Circuit panel and en banc opinions, and submitted a GAN on it. If anyone could take a look, I would be appreciative. GregJackP Boomer! 08:20, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
I pulled a lot of very dubious material that was original research, uncited, or based on self-published material from the Abenaki article, but it could still use a lot of help. There's very little about Abenaki today in Quebec. Any assistance welcome! Yuchitown ( talk) 16:11, 20 March 2022 (UTC)Yuchitown
I just created a brief draft for the recently discovered White Sands fossil footprints. Any help would be appreciated. Thriley ( talk) 19:32, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
Hi all, I recently noticed that the Wikipedia article naming conventions don't do a very good job of accounting for the unique political circumstances of tribal nations within the borders of the US. I've made my case for this over on this this talk page. If you're interested, or would like to participate in the discussion about whether and how to change these conventions, please drop by and leave a comment. Thanks! Aquaticonions ( talk) 17:43, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
Coatrack issues and OR. See recent edits and Talk:Johnny_Depp#Depps Native Heritage {sic} - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 19:28, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
Please provide your input; informal RfA. Thanks, GenQuest "scribble" 12:49, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
What particularly interests me here is the claim " millions of tribes have been wiped from our textbooks are rarely written about." Seems unlikely Doug Weller talk 11:15, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like
John Smith "[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14.
)and turns it into something like
It will work on a variety of links, including those from {{ cite web}}, {{ cite journal}} and {{ doi}}.
The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.
Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.
This is a one time notice and can't be unsubscribed from. Delivered by: MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) 16:01, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
This draft was just accepted into mainspace. No doubt Marcia is notable for inclusion however, I wanted to focus on the Cherokee heritage portion of the article. When the draft was brought to us at Women in Red it read that she called herself "half-breed" which we all know as a derogatory term but also stated she was an elder of the EBCI. We found no official record of her being an elder or even claiming membership in the EBCI. It has been left in the article because it is directly correlated to the source but I think we are all struggling with it being in the article while not knowing if she was enrolled with the EBCI which would have been a basic requirement for being an elder. I did add our project template to the article but only because of her connection with the ethnomusicology of Native American music and not any purported heritage or connection with the EBCI. ARose Wolf 18:41, 20 May 2022 (UTC)--edited 18:42, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
Hello friends, just a note to say that next month WikiProject Women in Red has a focus on women from Greenland (& the Faroes), which may have some crossovers with your work here. We always welcome collaboration, details are on the event page. Many thanks Lajmmoore ( talk) 10:17, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
Full of unsourced text. Once it's cleaned up, there won't be much there. Seems like whatever is usable would be best merged into another article, with a redirect or disambig at that name. Thoughts on where to put it? - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 19:21, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
Just wanted to let this group know this article is being considered for deletion: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dahti Tsetso. Yuchitown ( talk) 15:37, 31 May 2022 (UTC)Yuchitown
Wikipedia:Australian Wikipedians' notice board, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the [ page. Thank you. Poketama ( talk) 16:35, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
Posting this here as I thought this WikiProject may have some useful input on whether Indigenous placenames should be included in the article lead and what other regions have considered. Thank you. Poketama ( talk) 16:35, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
I went looking for such a template for a redirect and couldn't find one. Do you think it would be useful? RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 13:08, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
I recently created a draft for the Indian Law Resource Center. Any help finding sourcing would be appreciated. Thank you, Thriley ( talk) 21:58, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
Looking for opinions and comments at Talk:Inuit#Inuit or the Inuit. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 06:28, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
Not many listed at Category:Pyramids in the United States. We have Platform mound, List of burial mounds in the United States which doesn't mention the word pyramid at all and has "burial mounds" as a redirect for Tumulus. Mound builders does talk about pyramids but not in the lead. This late 19th century source [3] calls them pyramids multiple times. My concern is whether our articles give Native Americans the credit they should have. Doug Weller talk 15:16, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
The page for Taino people has seen a significant amount of conflict that has been unresolved, and doesn't appear to have had any formal discussions, for over a decade. This is primarily around if Wikipedia should recognise the several groups who claim to be Taino in modern times. The conventional wisdom seems to be that the Taino have not existed as a people for hundreds of years; while the opposing view is that the Taino have either continued quietly or have reinvigorated a sleeping culture. Both have research and sources to back them up.
Even if it is readily demonstratable that the Taino are not a continuous culture and are instead represented by a sort of 'Neo-Taino' - this also warrants addressing in the article. As it stands, there are many people who claim to be Taino who attempt to edit Wikipedia or express themselves on the Talk page and are shut down. This isn't a very good look; and the controversy has led to an article that is confusing to a huge fault. For example: in the lead it says that the Taino 'were' a people, while in the article body it talks about many Taino communities; including one that received Federal Recognition in 2021 in the US Virgin Islands.
While the case of the expressed extinguishment of the Taino people would have been many generations before, from an Australian lens this doesn't seem enough to disqualify their legitimacy. Neither does, as one user said on the
Talk:Taíno page, a requirement that they constantly speak Taino language, wear Taino clothes, or cook Taino food. This is not something that most people on reservations in the US do either.
I also am unsure of the claim that because they are not a registered tribe by the US Federal Government, they are not a tribe. This sets off a lot of red flags as I'm sure anyone with a cursory knowledge of colonialism would understand.
Following input from users here, I think an RfC on this issue may be necessary to resolve this long-standing conflict.
Disclaimer: My understanding of North American indigenous peoples is limited. I've done some research into the Taino to try to get my head around it but have not formed an opinion on the issue. I am focused on Australia, where there are not the concepts of 'blood-quantum', formal tribal rolls, or recognition of 'sovereign' tribes. So the situation is significantly different, and the general understanding in Australia is that an
Australian Aboriginal person is any person with Aboriginal heritage no matter how distant. There's also not a significant number of people here who claim Aboriginal ancestry without it being truthful. All these issues appear to be near-opposite in the USA. Specifically in regards to the Taino, in Australia, significant movements to reinvigorate near-extinguished cultures have been hugely successful and have been seen as legitimate because they are run by people of descent from those groups, and with the understanding that their culture was extinguished by force during colonisation.
PS I have also posted this comment on Talk:Taíno. Poketama ( talk) 04:32, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
I have opened discussions on moving the following pages:
Iroquois men's national lacrosse team
Iroquois women's national lacrosse team
Iroquois men's national under-19 lacrosse team
Iroquois women's national under-19 lacrosse team
During the recent 2022 World Lacrosse Women's World Championship, press referred to the women's team as the " Haudenoseaunee" https://www.si.com/tv/lacrosse/2022/07/07/usa-vs-australia-womens-lacrosse-world-championship-semifinal-stream-free dashiellx ( talk) 18:49, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
Seems like almost half the entries on List of Native American musicians were Canadian, so I created the List of Indigenous musicians in Canada. I'm not particularly familiar with Canadian Indigenous musicians (except Buffy St. Marie), so any help populating this list would be welcome! Yuchitown ( talk) 15:40, 14 July 2022 (UTC)Yuchitown
Someone just added Accawmacke/Gingaskin Indians of Virginia's Eastern Shore to the List of unrecognized tribes here. I reverted the edit because it linked to this web page, which has a prominent section very near the top of the page asking for donations. Does anybody know anything about this group? I have no opinion on the legitiamcy of the group, but I do think the prominent request for donations falls, at least partly, under the provision "Links mainly intended to promote a website, including online petitions and crowdfunding pages. See Wikipedia:Spam § External link spamming" in WP:ELNO. Donald Albury 18:37, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
I'd appreciate your input on this topic to resolve some long disputed issues about modern Taino movements. /info/en/?search=Talk:Taíno#Request_for_Comment_on_Modern_Taino_Identity Poketama ( talk) 22:45, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
The page for Andrew Jackson is technically a featured article, but it could really benefit from more indigenous perspectives. The current introduction describes Jackson as a hero of “democracy” and the “common man,” and an editor there is adamant that these aspects of white politics are more notable than his systematic ethnic cleansing. Seems like something people here would be interested in addressing? FinnV3 ( talk) 19:37, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
Notifications must be polite, neutrally worded...Your writings here been neither respectful of editors disagreeing with you nor neutrally worded. I'm not going to formally complain now, both because you have not been warned before and because Hobomok's contributions to the discussion have been productive, but I warn you not to do this again. If you do, you can expect to be reported. Display name 99 ( talk) 19:51, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
The Andrew Jackson article requires substantial cleanup (especially related to Indigenous issues), as described in ongoing discussion on its talk page. Following the article assessment guide, I ranked this article a "C," but another editor changed the ranking to "FA." I realized that the article assessment guide gives conflicting advice. How should we assess articles that have attained featured article status but still require substantial cleanup? FinnV3 ( talk) 04:15, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
Discussion for American Indian elder to be renamed and moved to North American Indigenous elder. The article needs an overhaul, as well. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 19:07, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
I've asked at Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Capital_letters#Cap_Indigenous? whether I've missed a discussion on capitaization of Indigenous. Anybody here know? I see the linked external guides, but has there been any discussion among WP editors about this? Dicklyon ( talk) 05:33, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
Has this WikiProject ever hosted a wiki-a-thon? I've never hosted one but would be happy to help (not in September or October, but in the future). Also, the wiki-a-thon's seemed focused on biographies, but List of Alaska Native tribal entities has more than a hundred red links that User:ARoseWolf worked on, but that's far too much work for one person. Yuchitown ( talk) 21:07, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Yuchitown
I have nominated Andrew Jackson for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. FinnV3 ( talk) 20:58, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
Hello. I'm considering effecting a split for the Lumbee article, with that article remaining the area for information on Lumbee people (history and culture, etc.) and having a new article on the Lumbee tribal organization, which has its own constitution, elections, social services, etc. Is this typically done and do you have any advice on how to go about this? - Indy beetle ( talk) 02:39, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
User:Indy beetle, yes, you could absolutely create Lumbee Tribe of North Carolina, about the specific state-recognized tribe and its administration. That's common throughout Native articles—broad umbrella articles like Shawnee, then specific ones for particular tribes, like Shawnee Tribe, Eastern Shawnee Tribe of Oklahoma, and Absentee Shawnee Tribe of Indians. If you want, I can help. Yuchitown ( talk) 03:25, 24 August 2022 (UTC)Yuchitown
After learning about the recently elected Yup'ik politician Mary Peltola, I started this article: Orutsararmiut Native Council. It would benefit from editors who are knowledgeable on the topic of indigenous peoples. I had never heard of a tribe being named a council. TJMSmith ( talk) 23:43, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
I think this is mostly being done by a sockdrawer, but there are at least a few users that have been involved over the years, on a number of Native articles. Lately it's the BLPS for the actors on the new TV shows, and the TV shows themselves, where we have users and WP:LOUTSOCK IPs coming along and removing peoples' nations, tribes, and citizenship entirely, or downgrading them to "of descent" when they are citizens. A look at my recent contribs will show the articles that have been targeted, and the policies cited (both correctly and misrepresented). I'd appreciate more eyes, articles put on watchlists, etc. Thanks. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 19:13, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
List of Alaska Native tribal entities was years out of date, so I updated it to the current Federal Register. Most of the redirects go to towns/communities, not necessarily articles specifically for the federally recognized Alaskan tribe. Native Village of Afognak and the above-mentioned Orutsararmiut Native Council are both promising examples of a Category:Native American tribes in Alaska. What is the best infobox to use for these articles? Template:Infobox organization, Template:Infobox government agency, Template:Infobox tribe (sounds promising but tailored toward ancient Middle Eastern groups), or Template:Infobox ethnic group? I've never made an infobox, but maybe the time has come to create an infobox for US federally recognized tribes. Yuchitown ( talk) 17:09, 3 September 2022 (UTC)Yuchitown
I'm happy to say that I got Ignace Tonené to good article status. CT55555 ( talk) 11:18, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
I want to write a short article on Lynette Lewis Alston, the first Native American elected to the role of president of the Board of Trustees of the Virginia Museum of Fine Arts. [1] She is the Chief of the Nottoway Indian Tribe of Virginia. [2] [3] Is she considered Native American under your guidelines? Specifically can she be called Native American if the Nottoway Tribe in not federally recognized? Thanks. WomenArtistUpdates ( talk) 22:56, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
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Anyone here with expertise on totem poles? Or who can refer me to someone who does?
Commons just got a very nice contribution of high-res scans from the Seattle Public Library Special Collections, including some very nice late 19th-century pictures of totem poles. However, I've found enough errors in metadata in areas where I do know my stuff to be very suspicious of the metadata in areas where I don't. The following two high-res images were identified as being from Wrangell, Alaska:
However, they don't match any other images we have for Wrangell in that era, and we have a lot. I suspect they are from somewhere else near Wrangell, and I also suspect they will turn out to be the best images we have of the respective poles.
Any help is welcome. - Jmabel | Talk 02:17, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
This also got sorted out at https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Humanities&oldid=1110514947#Totem_poles. It's the Beaver Pole, it just looked to someone like a bear. - Jmabel | Talk 23:37, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
Needs more eyes. There is some slo-mo edit-warring, disruption and incivility etc from someone (and maybe others, maybe socks) who doesn't seem to understand some basic things about the cultures in question, Oklahoma laws, the US, etc. This may wind up at ANI, etc, but needs more input from those who understand the topics. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 18:48, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
There is a discussion on the talk page of Wounded Knee Battlefield regarding changing the name of the article and moving it from Wounded Knee Battlefield → Wounded Knee National Historic Landmark. Please consider participating in the discussion. Netherzone ( talk) 13:25, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
Needs cleanup by project members experienced with WP:NDNID issues as pertains to First Nations identity, vs descendants, and/or claimants to such status. Lots of IP and new account edits have necessitated semi-protection, and I'm going to flag it for some of the other issues, as well. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 23:07, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
Hello all! I plan to create a new Wikipedia article focusing on police brutality against Indigenous Canadians, structured similarly to Police brutality against Native Americans. It can be a parent page for Saskatoon freezing deaths among other articles. Let me know your thoughts or any tips/source you all have! Skyef25 ( talk) 22:15, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
This unregistered user repetitively edits articles of Mi'kmaq Grand Chiefs. Is there an easy way to get them to stop? YvesRetailleau ( talk) 02:30, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
I have requested a peer review for Abishabis, a Cree religous leader in the 1840s. I am hoping to bring this article to GAN in early 2023, then FAC afterwards. However, this is the first article of an Indigenous person that I am bringing through these processes, so any comments (especially about the correct language to use) would be appreciated. PR is located here. Thanks all! Z1720 ( talk) 02:36, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
So, now that she's passed, her family are talking about how, well, they're not Native. And her fans don't like it. The article and talk page are being thrashed about on by users who.... for the most part seem wholly unfamiliar with how to handle these issues. I've said a couple things, there and at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#Sacheen Littlefeather. More eyes from those familiar with these issues would definitely be helpful. Or even if you can just help wrangle those who think acknowledging lack of tribal connection/verification/claim is libel. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 00:49, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
Has confusing wording in the lede about whether he was a citizen or descendant. Needs a line edit, better sourcing to WP:NDNID-RS standards, and cat check from someone who knows. Thanks. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 18:52, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
Hello Everyone,
I am a writer/scholar in environmental, literary, and Native American/Indigenous studies.
I am currently writing an article for a popular magazine regarding issues and debates I've seen on Wikipedia regarding Indigenous and Native American histories. Mainly, I've noticed that on U.S. history related pages like Andrew Jackson, the Trail of Tears, and Climate Change in the United States, long-term and majority editors at those pages have real issue with representing Native scholarship and Native histories being added (resisting adding Potawatomi philosopher Kyle Powys Whyte's work on climate change pages, insisting on calling Indian Removal policy on Jackson's page "Forced removal" rather than other terms/only focusing on Cherokee removal rather than the entire scope of removal, etc.). The fact that this information is so hard to add, and the fact that sources from Native scholars are generally dismissed on these pages, while outdated writing from scholars who celebrate Jackson, for example, are accepted without a second thought, is something I want to call attention to.
I was pointed to this page by another editor, and I was wondering if anyone here had time to talk about their experience editing Wikipedia on Indigenous/Native American topics (positive/negative/anything in between)? If so, I can be reached via email on my talk page, or if you would rather, feel free to leave me a message and I can email you. It is possible to remain anonymous throughout this process if you would like to speak to me.
If you do not have time or do not want to speak on this subject, no worries--I just wanted to reach out and see if anyone had anything that they might want to share.
Thank you for your time!
EnviroMoose ( talk) 21:51, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
The article for Great Sioux Nation contains almost all of the same information contained at Sioux and should be redirected to the main article per WP:Redundant and WP:Content forking. Oceti Sakowin is the name the Sioux people call their traditional political/social structure as is explained on the main Sioux page Etymology section. Do I just replace the content with a redirect or is there another method? oncamera (talk page) 05:19, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
Some editors have not adopted this, resulting in exchanges like this one. While MOS:RACECAPS notes that "Native American" is capitalized, we should add "Indigenous". As it's a policy page, I think we will have to discuss it on MOS talk. I'm also encountering issues with people removing tribal identification from the lede of some bios, per MOS:ETHNICITY. I think we should consider putting in something about an exception to this, as it's about citizenship, etc, not race. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 20:17, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
As all of this interconnects, I have also brought up amending MOS:ETHNICITY to clarify that Indigenous identity is based in citizenship, not race. Too often these things are decided by people unfamiliar with the topics. Would really appreciate experienced input at: Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Biography MOS:ETHNICITY and citizenship. Thanks! - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 20:59, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
Hey, all! POTD has this film coming up. If anyone wants to help make sure it's appropriately contextualized (both in blurb for the main page and in the article the club's taken from) please do. Adam Cuerden ( talk)Has about 8.2% of all FPs. Currently celebrating his 600th FP! 20:43, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
Presently the entry on Haudenosaunee refers to them as Iroquois. However, this word has its roots as a slur meaning "snakes" and was never used by the Haudenosaunee themselves.
Although there is an entry on the article's talk page inquiring about change, it doesn't seem too hopeful as the prevailing argument against updating the page's title is that Iroquois is still more commonly used by English speakers despite the colonial history entrenched in that term.
Moreover, some are arguing of a exonym vs. endonym situation, despite the word Haudenosaunee being a perfectly valid word to use in English, especially considering the existing page title, Iroquois, is itself a loan word from French.
Seeking the help of someone more influential than myself on this platform to help get this change through. We need to update the title, set up a redirect for the word Iroquois, and also set up a section explaining why the term Iroquois is controversial. OddlyOaktree ( talk) 17:29, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
Lipan Apache people , State-recognized tribes in the United States and List of unrecognized tribes in the United States. Thanks. Doug Weller talk 19:07, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
What a mess. Needs a total rewrite, or WP:TNT. If no one has the time and energy to fix it, I've proposed deletion. If you've got the spoons and can dive in and do it, just remove the prod. But only if you're going to really do it. Concerns noted in the cleanup templates and prod up top. Oh my. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 21:20, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
He seems like a great guy but his article badly needs sourcing. It's hard to read also because there is so much in each section and I'm guessing a lot can be removed. Doug Weller talk 13:51, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
I notice that an editor has put out a Request for Comment at Talk:Métis#RFC_Ontario. Dan Carkner ( talk) 17:59, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
I was looking for a bit of input on categorization. I'm currently working on an article about an Aymara Bolivian politician. Would that individual be categorized under Category:Bolivian politicians of indigenous peoples descent or Category:Aymara politicians? Is the latter a narrower category or would both be more appropriate? Krisgabwoosh ( talk) 08:47, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
Dreadfully unsourced and I suspect pretty inaccurate. Doug Weller talk 20:01, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
Hi friends, this is my first time on this WikiProject. I’m working on the Chief Seattle page and an editor is citing a source that describes a war between the Suquamish and the Chimakum as genocide because many Chimakum were killed and the ones left were forced to integrate into other tribes. Although the Chimakum were later signatories at the Point No Point Treaty.
Personally I think this is quite a stretch of the word genocide. I think the role of it’s inclusion is less to spread awareness about genocide and more to further a colonizer narrative that demonizes indigenous peoples as “savages.”
As a new Wikipedian, I’m wondering if you all have any advice about how to go about this situation. t̕igʷicid AdJHu • 胡安祝 12:53, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
Please see Talk:Kaktovik_numerals#Displaying_the_characters_in_the_article for issues related to display of characters and accessibility. ― Justin (koavf)❤ T☮ C☺ M☯ 11:03, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
Have all of you added this WikiProject's article alerts to your watchlist? I find them useful to be alerted to PRODs and deletion discussions. Yuchitown ( talk) 14:54, 29 January 2023 (UTC)Yuchitown