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While searching for lost foreigners in Yugoslav leagues I found Eric Lukin, an American player that played in NK Pomorac Kostrena, and afterwords in Germany with Sportfreunde Siegen, Koblenz and Saarbrucken, before returning to the States. It seems that earlier he played with Chicago Fire. Now, my question is, Playerhistory says he played 6 matches for the US A national team, but I can´t confirm this anywhere. Is it trouth? FkpCascais ( talk) 19:49, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
Does anyone know the Portuguese club that appears in Preki´s career at his Playerhistory page? I mean, I am a Serbian living in Portugal, so I should know about the Portuguese club of a Serbian player, but I don´t... It isn´t mentioned in his article either. Any clues? FkpCascais ( talk) 21:18, 6 May 2011 (UTC) PS: Even the Portuguese site Zerozero fails to include his alleged Portuguese club... FkpCascais ( talk) 21:22, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
Hi. I'm getting close to being ready to submit Bryan Gunn to FAC, but would welcome your expert comments now, on what may be missing or wrong with it. Please post to the article talk page. Many thanks. -- Dweller ( talk) 11:08, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
Hello! I created this sandbox where I added all the red links of the Fifa World Cup players are not present on en.wiki. I will strive to create them all sooner or later, but I need your help. If someone goes to participate in this project, please, help me, there are many important players waiting to be created Alexxander3000 ( talk) 00:31, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
Fantastic! Meanwhile I should be able to finish the Bolivian players, however, I think doing some extensive research even players who do not have belonged somewhere you should find the statistics for club teams. Alexxander3000 ( talk) 11:24, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
firstly the origins of the game are not dated, so the fabrication of this evolution of the headers and volleys game seems to be slightly bias towards creators in northern ireland. i do have a date, locality and specific names of the creators of the game. the problem with sources is that the fact that it is street soccer and there would not be any known publication. but the very fact that from these creators, there were 3 annual seasons of a redass league until it faded out, showed that there was some kind of structure from its development. Also the rules are not right. the very fact that each player can set themselves up, shows a clear lack of ability. this in turn leads oneself to the conclusion that these were not the creators of redass, as the rules are quite primitive. there are a set of rules and they are vital to the game, but they have to be correct to play not only in the single game, but part of a seasonal league.
hopefully this article can be removed and i will have the right to claim the actual origins to the game redass —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.6.233.252 ( talk) 02:15, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
Hello guys, I'm an Italian user and I would like to know a curiosity. As you know, Manchester United was founded in 1878, but it's really difficult to find the precise date (month and day). Perhaps it's not a vitally important issue, anyway, does anybody know something more? -- VAN ZANT ( talk) 08:51, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
I have nominated Sheffield Wednesday F.C. for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Arsenikk (talk) 09:38, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
empty, we should do something about-- Feroang ( talk) 02:51, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
1926–27 Prima Divisione#Group_D - love the "creative" icon used there....... -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 18:41, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
Someone fancy fixing the rest of these, then? Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 09:09, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
There's a button you can click to get back to where you were now? And I use navigation pop-ups, but mouse-over text still appears for me on Firefox 4, 3.6.16, IE 9, Chrome's latest build, and Opera 4. This icon is not detrimental to Wikipedia in any way, and the 125 people who've viewed the articles daily for years don't seem to mind, either. Wikipedia is meant to be readable, not perfect. Using a 20x15 pixel icon to quickly show disbanding of clubs is in no way anything less than informative and helpful (And is no more ambiguous than a coloured triangle), and although it's somewhat humourous, why is that a bad thing? It is in no way detrimental, so there's no point removing it (Although I wouldn't advocate making it standard). Sellyme Talk 01:28, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
Been meaning to do this for a while but never had the time to do so. I want to start a sort of African football project, where a contributors who are interested can help by creating or fixing up articles on African football. For example, lots of continental competitions don't have articles for each edition of the competition (see CAF Cup for example). Also, lots of other pages have very little info on them except for scores, etc. I was just wondering if other contributors are interested in doing this .. and how to proceed (create a project page maybe?). Thanks. TonyStarks ( talk) 05:19, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
Could someone revert this change? IPs, probably from the red half of Manchester, keep moving Man City to below all the other teams with five wins, even though the table is set up such that, where teams have the same number of wins, the one with the most recent win comes first. It's not strictly vandalism, so I'll be in violation of 3RR if I revert again...... -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 20:15, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
Has this now been cancelled ? See here "A proposal to revive the OFC Nations Cup for 2012, which involved the All Whites and five of the Pacific Island nations, was deferred to 2015. Instead, a Pacific Cup (involving the top five teams from the 2011 Pacific Games and possibly the New Zealand Olympic team) will be held in February 2012." TheBigJagielka ( talk) 12:15, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
Again i am sorry for not doing this in the correct place, but that's not the most important i believe, the fact that it is (eventually) deleted is.
This player does not reach WP:NOTABILITY status, not by a long shot, has only played in amateur football. Contracted by CD Numancia, he ONLY played for CD Numancia B, the reserves, in Tercera División and, after being released in 2010, has represented more teams in the category, CD Victoria and FC Torrevieja (please see this link http://www.futbolme.com/com/jugadores.asp?id_jugador=23393). By the way, the latter club needs a 500% cleanup, will see to it today...
Also, the piece contains storyline added by User:Zombie433 (you may remember him), without any references, so it can very well be another one of his lies.
Attentively, thank you very much in advance - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 16:27, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
Can you advise if my edit here http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=2010–11_Premier_League&oldid=429248155 is the correct interpretation of this projects guidelines re flags ? Gnevin ( talk) 17:06, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
The article on Mágico González, regarding his national team input, keeps being changed (not saying it is vandalism, no siree), and we certainly can't rely on NATIONAL-FOOTBALL-TEAMS.com for this player, there he appears with the grand total of 2 caps/0 goals, when he played in 3 in the 1982 FIFA World Cup alone :)
There is no consensus on anything: caps, appearances, debut date (one user added a chart with international goals, and he scored many against CLUBS, he also corrected his debut data saying it was against Vitória F.C., which is another club, i though those were not FIFA-recognized). Really baffling, inputs please! - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 22:45, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
Anyone aware of anything that has changed since Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Thodoris Moschonas to prevent a G4 of this recreation? I'm guessing it is not substantially different article wise. --Club Oranje T 05:05, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
Just had a question of the project regarding a bit of a spat I'm having with an editor at 2008 Canadian Championship regarding date formatting. Thought I should take it here rather than get into an edit war. I've begun editing the four existing Canadian Championship articles with the hopes of bringing them up to B or GA status. Three of the articles ( 2009, 2010, and 2011) use the date format "month dd, year" for the game summary tables, while the 2008 article uses a "year-mm-dd" format. I edited 2008 to change the format to be consistent with the three other articles, but was reverted on account of WP:MOSDATE. My interpretation of this policy is that consistency is key, while the other user is arguing that this does not matter and that the original date format should be used regardless of what the other articles look like. The user in question seemed a little uncivil in his edit description towards my good faith edit of the page so I figured I shouldn't just take the revert lightly. Is there a WP:FOOTY consensus already existing on this matter? I apologize if I'm being completely blind to this, as I don't tend to stray too often into this project's waters, but have really grown an interest in the Canadian domestic club tournament and want to bring my editing "talents" to those articles. Appreciate the help, thanks! – Nurmsook! talk... 04:18, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
What is the point of the numbers "1" or "2" in, for example, Michael Owen's honours list? Most of us can count that far! -- Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 11:52, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
In Palamós CF, apparently the name of the manager (see infobox) is not vandalism, he is named that way (per LINK#2 - click on it, then click on PLANTILLA Y FICHAJES, then look at the bottom). Wow, talk about impervious defenses, and his assistant could be this guy!
Cheers - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 14:54, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
Is there any where there are guidelines / Templates on how to change the clubs strip to the new season colours. 16:57, 16 May 2011 (UTC) Warburton1368 ( talk)
is time to takeo out of World Football Challenge to the new articles 2009 World Football Challenge and 2011 World Football Challenge as news later said an put it in Template:Friendly tournaments 2011-- Feroang ( talk) 00:13, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
Short question, most likely interesting for our North American contributors: Is 2011 Super-20 League season, a season article of this North American youth league notable enough to keep? Right now, I am a little undecided if I should put a ton of maintenance tags onto the article or plain outright PROD it, as it basically is a stats dump in its current state... -- Soccer-holic I hear voices in my head... 21:21, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
Take a look at the picture in the infobox of this version of 2010–11 Fußball-Bundesliga and judge for yourself...:-D -- Soccer-holic I hear voices in my head... 21:39, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
I continue to have a run-in with a anon user about this article, where he: continues to engage in overlinking, also adding what i (could be wrong though) perceive as over-information (i think it belongs in the page of Valencia CF (what they did and against which club, etc, each season). I have messaged the user 4,5 times, received ZERO feedback.
So, which approach is best, in the "task force"'s opinion? Also, the user (and he edits from England, so i must not be "holier than thou" here) insists on correcting "quarterfinals" to "quarter-finals", i thought both were correct, am i wrong?
Seriously, i am getting a bit fed up with this lack of cooperation, i have inclusively been called a CUNT over this article (not sure if it was this user, but it was from England, after i protected the page). Attentively, ty very much with whatever can be provided to improve my wiki/approach - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 23:17, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
It is generally appreciated that prose giving an overview of the season is added to season articles. However, the club-by-club review section which has recently been added to the 2010–11 Premier League article puzzles me a little bit because of a few things. First of all, it is a huge chunk of text that was added by an IP. Then, the section is completely unsourced. Although I am assuming good faith here, could it be that this is a substantial copy of text from somewhere else (most likely a print since a quick Google research came up with no results)?
In any case, the section could really use some copy-editing and sourcing, so if someone with more time on his/her hands likes to do some creative writing, feel free. -- Soccer-holic I hear voices in my head... 09:23, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
Greetings all,
If you've been keeping up with international football news, Japan has withdrawn from the 2011 Copa América for a number of reasons. With the withdrawal, they were removed from the Participating Teams section of the article and their spots in Group A. But I'm not certain on if Japan should be removed and replaced from the "Draw" section since they were officially participating in the competition when the draw took place. At least that why I think any mention of Japan should stay in that section, but there are bound to be other editor (mainly IP addresses) who would remove Japan from the draw section and replace with their replacement (likely Costa Rica). Any ideas on how to handle this before any back-and-forth editing ensues? Thanks. Digirami ( talk) 10:39, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
What is the notability for a list of official club ranking? CONMEBOL recently published their club ranking. I'm not sure what official use it has besides a ranking... but is it worth enough to merit an article? Digirami ( talk) 23:25, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
My bot is in the process of cleaning out Category:Football biography using deprecated parameters, and the current code attempts to minimize the diffs by not introducing extra newlines, or reordering the fields. However, I was thinking that they resulting code isn't necessarily that "clean" (e.g., indented and aligned). So, I was wondering if there are any preferences for the resulting "indented and aligned" format. I would probably do this as a second pass, with lower priority, since the higher priority is just converting the infobox and making sure there are no errors (e.g., pipes in the wrong position, duplicate fields, or other mangling). So, here are some of the formats that I have seen:
| years1 = 1980-1984 | years2 = 1984-1986 | years3 = 1986-1988 | clubs1 = Club 1 | clubs2 = Club 2 | clubs3 = Club 3 | caps1 = 10 | goals1 = 1 | caps2 = 11 | goals2 = 2 | caps3 = 12 | goals3 = 3
| years1 = 1980-1984 | years2 = 1984-1986 | years3 = 1986-1988 | clubs1 = Club 1 | clubs2 = Club 2 | clubs3 = Club 3 | caps1 = 10 | caps2 = 11 | caps3 = 12 | goals1 = 1 | goals2 = 2 | goals3 = 3
| years1 = 1980-1984 | clubs1 = Club 1 | caps1 = 10 | goals1 = 1 | years2 = 1984-1986 | clubs2 = Club 2 | caps2 = 11 | goals2 = 2 | years3 = 1986-1988 | clubs3 = Club 3 | caps3 = 12 | goals3 = 3
| years1 = 1980-1984 | clubs1 = Club 1 | caps1 = 10 | goals1 = 1 | years2 = 1984-1986 | clubs2 = Club 2 | caps2 = 11 | goals2 = 2 | years3 = 1986-1988 | clubs3 = Club 3 | caps3 = 12 | goals3 = 3
I personally like the ones the best that done try to compress the data into a single line (e.g., caps and goals on the same line), mostly due to the fact that novice editors frequently mistakenly place the data after the pipe, rather than before the pipe. This is the same reason why I like the pipes at the start of the line, rather than the end of the line. Note that "Example 4" often results in very long lines once you add citations and wikilinks for the clubs. However, I really don't have that strong of an opinion. I believe the other bot was using something like "Example 1" or "Example 2", but I don't recall exactly. My bot is currently transforming to "Example 1", but compressed into one line for "years", one line for "clubs" and one line for "caps and goals", but again, this is just to minimize the diffs for auditing purposes. Any opinions? Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 22:21, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
| years1 = 1980-1984 | clubs1 = [[Long club name Club 1]] | caps1 = 10 | goals1 = 1 | years2 = 1984-1986 | clubs2 = [[ShortClub 2]] | caps2 = 11 | goals2 = 2 | years3 = 1986-1988 | clubs3 = [[Long piped club name Club 3|Piped Club3]] | caps3 = 12 | goals3 = 3
| years1 = 1980-1984 | caps1 = 10 | goals1 = 1 | clubs1 = [[Long club name Club 1]] | years2 = 1984-1986 | caps2 = 11 | goals2 = 2 | clubs2 = [[ShortClub 2]] | years3 = 1986-1988 | caps3 = 12 | goals3 = 3 | clubs3 = [[Long piped club name Club 3|Piped Club3]]
Examples for #4 readability in real life editing.--Club Oranje T 04:55, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
For ease of use, No. 4 for me as well. For a player with many clubs, the infobox in the other formats just goes on forever and I wonder if it might be offputting for the newcomer, and format 2 has each club's pieces of information so far apart it encourages editors to make mistakes. cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 07:55, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
| years1 = 1980-1984 | clubs1 = Club 1 | caps1 = 10 | goals1 = 1 | years2 = 1984-1986 | clubs2 = Club 2 | caps2 = 11 | goals2 = 2 | years3 = 1986-1988 | clubs3 = Club 3 | caps3 = 12 | goals3 = 3
I like either number 3 or number 3b, but anything other than 1 or 2 is good. Frietjes ( talk) 17:36, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
A little while back a lot of extra detail (unreferenced) was added into this article from the main Newcastle article. Some of it does not really comprise records and statistics as such i.e. the European section simply lists all their European matches. I've seen other clubs with specific articles relating to their European campaigns, so perhaps the text (suitably sourced) should go to a new page? This records/stats page was already light on sources, and it may be other elements are not really appropriate for the page? I'd appreciate any thoughts. Eldumpo ( talk) 15:04, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
As some of you may have noticed, I've been doing a lot of maintenance work on football categories, particularly about English clubs, in the last couple of weeks. While I was looking through the categories, I found this article. Does anyone know if there is any precedent for this, and should we be looking to split the players and the managers into separate list articles? – Pee Jay 15:45, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
A copyeditor has expressed ignorance of what it means when a goalkeeper makes a "save" and requested a wikilink, which is reasonable. We don't appear to have an article about the term... is it sufficiently notable? Do we have a list of terminology article? -- Dweller ( talk) 13:43, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
There's a longstanding cricket equivalent... Glossary of cricket terms. I can't be sure, but I don't think it always had that name. -- Dweller ( talk) 14:40, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
A Google search produces three websites which could be used as a basis for such an article:
Between them they have most things covered. -- Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 15:55, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
I'm going to "create" the article shortly, perhaps we need to start thinking about pages that now should be merged into it and those which can standalone and be referenced.... All help gratefully received. The Rambling Man ( talk) 16:11, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
Hello.I first created the greek superleague 2011-12 page,and i wonder if i could translate it to Greek. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RazorakosRazor ( talk • contribs) 19:30, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
After edits like this (please see here http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=CA_Osasuna&diff=420527235&oldid=419892234) and this (here http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Pedro_Rodr%C3%ADguez_Ledesma&diff=421312195&oldid=420174307), and several warnings, you'd think this "user" would have been dealt with already.
He allowed for several REAL players to stay at CA Osasuna, guess he does not know there is no salary cap in Spanish football, he could have gone the "extra mile". Almost funny, ALMOST... - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 00:21, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
As a continuation to this question I had a few weeks back, can someone please tell me what they think ? Here are some sources regarding the transfer: [7], [8], [9], and finally the Player profile on official Millwall site. As you can see, one source says that he will join them permanently after the end of the season (but the guy that maintains the Millwall article on Wikipedia dismissed it as a "weak and unreputable source" and reverted my edit), while the other sources are not specific enough on the matter. However, the Millwall site still has him listed as "on loan". Thanks! TonyStarks ( talk) 08:32, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
Hi, Can someone who sorts out categories (either manually or via a bot) check the articles in Category:English football transfers and Category:English football transfer lists to check that the categories on each article are consistent e.g. all have Category: [Year] in England etc. I have been sorting out the English football transfers articles back to 2002-03 when the windows were introduced, so that we have two articles for each season (summer and winter). In Category:English football transfer lists, I want the summer articles to sort under "S" and the winter ones to be under "W" but I need someone to correct the categories for the articles that sort under "L" (by, on the articles, putting for example Category:English football transfer lists|Summer 2009.
I don't know what do about this guy. User:Jolicnikola is a contributor who mostly edits details about barely notable Croatian clubs. I've prodded a few of his creations recently so he might have a problem with me. In any case he created Ozren Nedoklan (a former manager of Hajduk Split) on 13 May with stuff I had prepared earlier in my sandbox here on 11 May. I've put links to articles talking about his career and times in there and was meaning to write the article yesterday and maybe nominate it for DYK - only to find that Jolicnikola beat me to it. I wouldn't mind it if he had actually done something to write he article but he simply pasted the contents of my sandbox to mainspace. I've left a comment at his talk page ( here) but he does not seem to have a habit of responding to messages. Now this is not a big deal with Nedoklan and I intend to expand the article anyway, but surely there must be some way to stop this nonsense before he starts taking other stuff from my sandbox and putting it out there before it is ready for publishing. Is there some policy which can be applied here? Timbouctou ( talk) 08:50, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
I've been having trouble with an anonymous user who keeps insisting on adding a nickname for Hugo Rodallega. I'm fairly convinced it isn't sufficiently notable anyway, but are any player nicknames notable enough to be included in articles? J Mo 101 ( talk) 10:07, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
Following on from David Conn's piece in the Guardian earlier, is there much scope for an article as part of WP:Footy listing clubs income and expenditure for the financial year? TheBigJagielka ( talk) 13:34, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
I have just had a friendly exchange of words regarding some of the contents at Cristian Săpunaru, and this one might turn out to be a "tricky one"...
According to UEFA.com, pretty reliable methinks, the player moved to F.C. Porto for €2.5 million (please see here http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/newsid=732315.html), whereas a Romanian website (here http://www.sportm.ro/Fotbal-intern/liga-i/sapunaru-rapid-porto.html) provides a different figure (6 million plus two players).
User:Cyperuspapyrus reasons that UEFA.com source might be incorrect because a Romanian journalist copied it from TRANSFERMARKT.com, less reliable. Where to go from here now folks? - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 14:34, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
Can anyone please see that this is summarily deleted? User:Ruizinho18 "added" a few articles, two of which were: the Gondomar S.C. history, written ENTIRELY in Portuguese (have already removed it), and the article on their chairman, which says he "is a former Portuguese player" (!!) and has the club logo, simple.
Attentively - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 23:45, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
Hi, in argentina league and other south americans leagues there is a spray use too reforce the laws of the game in free kick situations, I did searh and "aerosol 9-15 Fair Play Limit" (9-15 FPL) sound like his name in spanish http://www.ultimasnoticias.com.uy/hemeroteca/060709/prints/dep12.html , simple nickname as "el aerosol" (english: the spray). Invented by a argentinian sport jornalist Pablo Silva http://edant.clarin.com/diario/2008/05/18/deportes/d-07801.htm , first tested in AFA conpeticions in 2008. and a video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVYoVrECC9Y , serious sorry for too much spanish, I gonna seach information in english, also somebody add it to the new glossary-- Feroang ( talk) 02:02, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
Unseemly argument and editwarring on Ecuador article about the order of names on the recent call-ups section . Do we have any guideline or opinion? Kevin McE ( talk) 06:15, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
Can I have a hand at the Kyle Bartley page please, IPs keep on adding the unreferenced information that Bartley won the Scottish Premiership with Rangers, and I've already reached 3RR. Thanks, Giant Snowman 18:02, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
He did win an SPL medal with Rangers. [11] Banana Fingers ( talk) 10:41, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
And if so can you please check the stats for Regilio Seedorf? Thanks, Giant Snowman 19:27, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
Does a club which has only existed for six years merit a separate history article.......? -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 08:37, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
I have found this category on several players (for now, i remember seeing it on Jorge Costa and Iñigo Idiakez), and the question comes to mind:
Given the fact that it is not sourced, and also a bit irrelevant in the case of sportspeople, what need do we have for the category "ROMAN CATHOLICS" (with the nationality prefix)? I reckon we don't. - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 11:04, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
I would really appreciate a 3th opinion from anyone of you on the edit warring on that article and on the subsequent discussion at Talk:Videoton FC. FkpCascais ( talk) 19:01, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
OH YEA, OH YEA!! All project members are alerted to this new article which is probably something we should have done a decade ago! Please contribute as much as you can and reference as much as possible. The Rambling Man ( talk) 20:15, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
All good chaps, the more the better. This is a fantastic example of what a collaborative effort can achieve in next-to-no time. Good work everyone! The Rambling Man ( talk) 20:31, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
I wish I'd seen this before doing this. If there is consensus to reverse it, I won't stand in the way, but I feel it would be opening a can of worms. Where would we end up: Soccer AM? Spanish, German, Italian, North and South American equivalents of FourFourTwo and MOTD? When Saturday Comes? Motty? Peter Drury? Aside from that though, I agree with Timbouctou's last post. Perhaps we should continue this discussion at the talk page? — W F C— 07:10, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Is this move really necessary? If not then could an administrator please restore it to the way it was. A dab page for two people is not needed, in my opinion. The footballer is undoubtedly more notable so I would have created a hatnote to the mathematician at the top, like I did with György Sándor. What irritates me most is the lack of consideration for what links to an article that an user decides to move without discussion. Numerous articles, including two that are featured, now link to a dab page. Argyle 4 Life talk 09:43, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
Hi everyone,
please excuse my bad English. I'm from Germany, but an ardent supporter of the CA Peñarol. I would like to know if you have any information about lists which show the players with most appearances and the most goals scored for the club – like in this article about CA Vélez Sársfield. I found it nowhere. :( Does anyone know? Best regards -- Florean Fortescue —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.213.120.33 ( talk) 11:40, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
Having been looking at the Golden Generation page and it seems to be a complete mess - currently it just seems to list random teams that someone has decided are good and so listed without really any rhyme or reason. I was intending to tidy it up to take it back to what (in my opinion) it should be - a list of teams that have been referred to as a "golden generation". However as a) I'm fairly new and it would be my largest edit so far and b) it will involve removing a pretty large part of the article, I want to make sure that I'm not being a moron so thought I should get some advice. It's worth noting that all of the information I'd remove is covered elsewhere in (again, in my opinion) more appropriate areas. Thanks Robinr22 ( talk) 14:53, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Came across this user a few minutes ago. Have dealt with it, and it's probably not worth blocking, as I assume he has jumped IPs. The vandalism was quite hard to spot on the watchlist, because most of the changes are exactly 0 bytes of difference, so I just thought I'd give people a heads up to check any articles of this sort they have watched. There was a particular emphasis on Gillingham for some reason, possibly a previous blocked or banned user? — W F C— 10:31, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Anyone know a good site for French Cup and French League Cup stats ? LFP used to be good but I don't think the stats are available anymore for some players since they released the new version of the site. TonyStarks ( talk) 12:59, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Hello all, I am making this point as a continuation of the Albania paragraph here (permanent link). I believe that Albania's case is the same as Macedonia's and Montenegro's. As far as I know neither is fully professional. I believe we have to change the requirements of WP:NFOOTY, because otherwise we'll have to delete hundreds of Macedonian, Montenegrin, and Albanian players.
As a matter of fact I don't find the notability for players fair at all: the Albanian, Montenegrin, and Macedonian players compete against fully professional players in European Leagues and all of them have professional contracts, but still their respective leagues are not called fully professional, because there is sometimes government intervention. I believe we have to make a change in the notability requirements, because as it is, many players' articles will have to be deleted, and much work will go to waste. Not necessarily the level of soccer in these countries is worse than that of other countries with professional leagues though. Besides, the Albanian league will soon be professional, there are some indications on that, and I can bring the sources, so those articles will have to be written all over again.
Right now one of the best hopes of Albanian soccer players Armando Vajushi, is considered for deletion, but I am sure that his article will have to be written again, as soon as he will start playing in a foreign "professional" league.
I want to know your opinions before I go ahead and make a proposal, which will consist in having NFOOTY accept fully all players of top European Leagues, given the importance of soccer in all European countries. Thank you. -- Doktor Plumbi ( talk) 19:29, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
To be honest, I think its a shame how England's 5th tier can somehow be more important than Albania's top flight! People spend time and effort creating pages for players in the top leagues of the 'lesser countries' and to have all that taken away makes you wonder why you even bother. I have personally created many pages on Albanian footballers and have seen a lot of them deleted, which is a real shame and a let down from my prespective. And as for Armando Vajushi, I have been in the process of updating his page as well as I can, especially now with a lot of top teams after him, but we're only human and I have AS exams to worry about. Oltianruci ( talk) 22:59, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
As noted above, the proposal has been made several times before, and rejected each time. We have to draw the boundary somewhere, and the line betwen fully-professional and part-time is easily the clearest we have. Relaxing the rules for some leagues but not others relies solely on opinions of which leagues are notable, rather than facts. I think something to bear in mind is (as I've said before) if football was popular enough in these countries for the non-international players to be notable, then they would probably be able to support a fully professional league (as many less wealthy countries do). Number 5 7 09:02, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
<reduce indent> Just to stir the pot slightly, I should note that the Conference National, with the relegation of Histon, Altrincham and Eastbourne now has only one non-full time team ( Barrow AFC), who themselves are going to 4 days a week. The newly promoted teams are all pro/turning pro. Now I think that's pretty good justification for calling the Conference a 'fully professional league' is it not? So maybe (presuming we don't think that the Conference is notable enough for player article creation) we ought to rethink 'professional' as the major guideline. Pretty Green ( talk) 13:35, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
Just a minor important note. I see continuosly being mentioned the Macedonian First League, but everyone is missing the fact that their league IS considered professional, while the others mentioned in same group aren´t. I´m not saying anything about supporting or not any of the sides here, just reminding everyone about this fact. FkpCascais ( talk) 17:35, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
Also, @Doktor Plumbi, despite simpatizing with your cause, you should be more carefull and precise about your arguments, because you loose points and allow other participants to accuse you of OR and POV because of untrou arguments such as about 1991 Red Star (Crvena Zvezda) players for exemple, where you say "they would all fail GNG", because most (if not all) of them wouldn´t fail, for several reasons, among them the fact that most were national team players already, and because some had already had spells in pro leagues before 1991, so please avoid making uprecise comparisons. Not even needing to remind you about the quality the Yugoslav league had back then, and the fact that it was allways qualified within top 10 league ranking in Europe.
Now, regarding the question itself, as Oltianruci may possibly know, I have been making efforts to source, complete and improve many articles about players that play in Albania and other countries in the region, despite the fact that I was aware that Albanian league was not considered pro. I did it because I knew most were about better players that by time someone checking noteced them, those players were probably already playing abroad in some pro league, or at least the national team. Now, that was in a time when only the best players had articles, but seems that now we have entire medium and small size clubs from Albanian league having all their players with articles, well, that obviously becomes a problem, and it does make me think that possibly only the ones that played in pro leagues, and the ones with national team caps, should have an article. Otherwise we are having an enormous number of unnotable players with careers hard to find, complete and follow, and we do want to avoid having that kind of biographies here. Also, editors making numerous articles should be familiarised with the policies before making them, and having them made can not be at any point an argument used as excuse for not following principles. FkpCascais ( talk) 17:46, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
I think we are in danger of forgetting what WP:NFOOTY is. It is a threshold that we use to allow us (often erroneously, I would suggest, and Timouctou would seem to concur) to conclude that an individual will have sufficient written about him elsewhere to meet GNG. Failure to meet NFOOTY does not per se justify deletion, and NFOOTY excludes no article from the encyclopaedia: failure to meet NFOOTY, where there is no evidence of meeting GNG does however. It should be noted that GNG states Sources are not required to be available online, and they are not required to be in English. So if football is a high profile sport in Albania, Macedonia, Montenegro, and Bosnia, then presumably there will be articles ion the press and sporting media in those countries about many of the players in those leagues that will easily meet GNG. We don't need to abandon a shortcut notability test to allow players to meet an alternative test. Kevin McE ( talk) 12:46, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
NFOOTBALL (or more specifically WP:FPL) is a potentially useful starting point for determining notability, and I agree that it is applied in too fixed a manner i.e. minor stub articles being deemed notable, and articles for players who do not meet the specific NFOOTBALL criteria having their sources cast aside (only local coverage, stats database etc) too easily. I disagree with some posters above who say the current system is not broken. I believe there are a number of issues with it, and this thread is just the latest time recently it's been brought up. I'd like to see a few more of the respected editors at WP:Footy respond here, as hopefully we are not too far off coming up with revised notability criteria for footballers. Eldumpo ( talk) 08:47, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Here's my tuppence worth, so please bear with me. WP:NFOOTY may not be perfect, but IMO it's the simplest and most equitable solution we have, and until someone presents a more viable option it's the guideline that should continue to be used. As I've said once or twice before, a footballer's notability isn't based on how many journalists write about them, it's generally based on what they achieve on the field. Reaching a standard that enables you to play as a full-time professional is a good marker, just as a politician "makes it" by getting elected to parliament, or a pop musician makes it by getting a song into the charts.
Now having said that, there is room for improvement. At the moment, this guideline is black-and-white and makes no distinction between the differing levels of play - the top four divisions in England are fully professional, but I'm sure everyone would agree an appearance in League Two is in no way equal to an appearance in the Premiership. Perhaps one way to address this would be to implement some sort of sliding scale to take into account the differences between levels of play. I'm not a particular fan of the "one game and you're in" approach, so for a four-tier system I was thinking of a minimum threshold something along the lines of 5 games (level 1) / 10 games (level 2) / 20 games (level 3) / 30 games (level 4) - these are just rough ballpark figures that I'm throwing up for discussion. This would be adjusted for countries that have less than four professional divisions, and this could even be extended to include top-level semi-professional leagues so that long-established players in these countries could be included.
Comments please? —BETTIA— talk 14:13, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
would we then have to apply this new guideline to already-created articles? What about players who have disputed stats? By trying to change this guideline we're creating more hassle for ourselves, when NFOOTY shouldn't be our primary concern. Don't forget that our #1 notability threshold is the GNG, and as long as it meets that, an article is notable - it doesn't matter whether they've played 500 games or 1 game, whether they've played in the Premier League or in the Guam League. Giant Snowman 20:26, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Bettia, your suggestion has merit. Not 100% sure your numbers are where they need to be but the general concept is pretty good. Of course it should all have been discussed some months ago when WP:NSPORTS was being developed and made official guideline.--Club Oranje T 10:43, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
I think it would be useful if the WP:FPL page is renamed to relate to footballers notability in general. There should be some guidance at the start to indicate the football consensus as to what kinds of sources are regarded as notable i.e. it would discuss issues such as local coverage, stats databases, transfer articles etc. The page could also provide some links to pages/sources detailing other aspects of notability such as league attendances, UEFA and other regional league rankings etc. The FPL list could remain within the article, and until/unless there is a consensus to change this being the sole determinant of NFOOTBALL notability, the link from NSPORT would still go directly to the FPL list. Any thoughts? Eldumpo ( talk) 09:07, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
I copied WP:FPL over to Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Notability of footballers, and am in the very early stages of restructuring it along the lines of Bettia's proposal. I've made explicitly clear beside the arbitrary figure that it is merely a starting point. I'm mindful of not doing too much myself, because I appreciate that I may coming at this from quite a different perspective to others. Further input welcome. — W F C— 06:08, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Are we going to consider certain 2nd tier leagues to be as notable as the top level leagues? I don't know if this suggestion is getting too far ahead of what's being drafted, but as it is a player in the Championship or the 2. Bundesliga would be less notable than a player from the Armenian Premier League. Good work so far though - I still fear there a lot of stumbling blocks to overcome, but that's not to say improvements aren't possible. J Mo 101 ( talk) 12:43, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
I've started a couple of threads at the talk page re stats sites/books and thresholds. I think other topics that need starting including "local-only coverage for GNG", "regional bias/how to deal with outside Europe" and "consideration of attendances/other means of notability". Eldumpo ( talk) 14:22, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Greetings all,
A recently retired footballer in Ecuador has just been named to a cabinet position in the Ecuadorian government. Can anyone direct me to another article of a footballer turned politician so I can get an idea/example on how to handle the article, specifically for the infoboxes. Thanks. Digirami ( talk) 02:04, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
How about Lynn Swann? Erikeltic ( Talk) 03:29, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
People notable for both football and politics
Name | Country | Football | Politics |
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Camille Dimmer | Luxembourg | ||
Pelé | Brazil | Santos, Brazil | Senate |
Mustafa Mansour | Egypt | ||
George Weah | Liberia | Liberia | Presidential candidate |
Don Rossiter | England | ||
Garan Fabou Kouyate | Mali | ||
Albert Guðmundsson | Iceland | ||
Oleg Blokhin | Soviet Union, Ukraine | ||
Carlos Bilardo | Argentina | ||
Jozsef Bozsik | Hungary | ||
Toshiro Tomochika | Japan | Diet | |
Danny Jordaan | South Africa | ||
Randy Horton | Bermuda | Bermuda | |
Éric Di Meco | France | ||
William Clegg | England | ||
Roberto Dinamite | Brazil | ||
Romario | Brazil | Brazil | |
Bebeto | Brazil | Brazil |
The live version is at User:Hack/Footballing_politicians Hack ( talk) 09:08, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
In 1997, a game was held between a European XI and an African XI in Lisbon, Portugal. The game was organized by UEFA and CAF in an effort to combat racism. Complete line-ups and scorers can be found at RSSSF's website (just scroll down a bit). There's also a good video on YouTube about the match with some commentary at the start : Africa vs Europe 1997. I wanted to create an article for the page but I wasn't sure what the title of the article should be. Anyone have any ideas ? TonyStarks ( talk) 20:31, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Found this article you could use: Football: Europe v Africa match makes history. It says that the coaches for Africa were Rabah Madjer and Mawade Wade. Dr. Vicodine ( talk) 18:24, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
the very relevant article and his 17 articles refering to the 17 rules are currently not part of the templates Template:Association football terminology or Template:Association football chronology, and it should have his own template, maybe something like Template:Association football laws. "Rules" and specifics rules are part of Template:Basketball. The rules-laws are the definition inself of the game, we should fast show that football is not a alternative name of baseball-- Feroang ( talk) 03:37, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Quick question Scott Wootton's article has been amended in the careers statistics section to show an appearance for Manchester United last night under 'Other'. Should this be included or do we view this like pre-season friendlies and not include? Zanoni ( talk) 09:54, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
There is currently a RFC on the use of flags within lists, including lists within articles, at WT:MOSICON. This project is potentially affected by the RFC, and constructive comments from members of this WP is welcome. Also, {{ football squad player}} is apparently the cause of some discontentment re the display of flags. I've made a suggestion on the talk page of the template re correcting this. Mjroots ( talk) 12:30, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Would anyone object using multiple instance of Template:Infobox football league season for Apertura/Clausura leagues where each tournament crowns a different champion? Digirami ( talk) 08:17, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Hi. Just visiting from WP:CRIC! I'm making a list of notable Buckinghamshire cricketers, while doing so I came across Bill Yates (footballer) who played football for Bolton and Watford. His cricket career was at a Minor counties level, so on its own is non-notable. I have no idea where to look up information on footballers, so would anyone be able to create his article, then I can add his cricket info? Thanks. AssociateAffiliate ( talk) 09:40, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
Hi. Just stumbled across this Zimbabwean footballer's article, that if you view the history, had turned into a spoof page for the last few weeks. I've reverted back to the original version, but if people could keep an eye on it, just to monitor for anymore vandalism? I'm not around enough to do it myself. Cheers Eastlygod ( talk) 11:11, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
Im having an issue with the Disciplinary records table in article 2011–12 Heart of Midlothian F.C. season it wont display the table properly just the content. Not sure whats wrong with it hoping someone could have a look for me. 18:46, 26 May 2011 (UTC) Warburton1368 ( talk)
Category:Defunct football competitions in Turkey
I stumbled on one of the National League season articles in random page patrol. Their page names, and their lead sections, could probably use some clarification or standardization if there's an applicable MOS section. I have no experience with this, so I'm giving it to this WikiProject. Raymie ( t • c) 19:30, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
If you are anything like me then you have forgotten all about this. Here is the table:
Rank | Wikipedian | Club | Points |
---|---|---|---|
1 | Simon Clarke | Inter Alia | 2001 |
2 | Stefan Papp | Toothless Tigers | 1963 |
3 | Chris Cunningham | Super Ayr United | 1821 |
4 | James Morrison | Inter Milamb | 1782 |
5 | Craig Harris | Port Vale | 1662 |
6 | Kevin McElhinney | Spencer Creedon FC | 1658 |
7 | Dominic Nelson | Cunning Stunts | 1605 |
8 | Philip Copley | Real Jesmondo | 1594 |
9 | Malte Zander | Bluewhite74 | 1566 |
Congratulations Mr. Clarke!-- Echetus Xe 12:53, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
I've created this page. There's little press information about their first game in the mainstream media; a match against Kenya has been organised for the 9th July at Juba Stadium. TheBigJagielka ( talk) 14:47, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Non-FIFA football is a good article to read when you think in current south sudan, maybe copy some category.-- Feroang ( talk) 19:02, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Should the Mexico's U22 upcoming friendly matches be added to the Mexico's national senior team's article? Even though it is an U22 team with five overage players, the caps still will count as a senior cap. GoPurple 'n Gold24 18:31, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
I made a post on the above topic at Village Pump (Policy). My query basically related to references to strangely-titled books that I had come across when searching for online links to various footballers, and it turns out these are simply a random collection of Wikipedia articles cobbled together, not in any way edited/checked and then offered for sale at high prices. The basic answer to my question is that the Wikipedia license does not in any way prohibit the actions of these companies, although I do have some further questions relating to some of the issues arising at that post that I may subsequently raise. Anyway, I thought I'd flag the issue here for info, given the large number of footballer articles. I'm not sure how many of you were already aware of this. Regards. Eldumpo ( talk) 20:29, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
I guess we should copypaste, some of the templates at end of FIFA article in Association football, we should show that somebody play proffesional football, like in the articles basketball, baseball, or futsal, show that international football is a real thing, show that there is more that 1 country where leagues are on.-- Feroang ( talk) 18:57, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Some leagues will play their last rounds in days to come, some had already finished the season, however one of the WP club articles periods that I most hate is about to begin: the period when million of IP´s add and remove players from club squads, when one doesn´t have any clue when searching info in some other club squad, because most probably since the end of the season a million IP´s had already mixed a million players in that squad... I mean, I HATE this period! Honestly, I would freeze the last season squad until the start of next one. I supose that neither I know what do I pretend with this thread, but all I know is that from now on numerous club articles will just live a total anarchy for a couple of months... Have we ever discussed this? FkpCascais ( talk) 19:40, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Message moved to my talk page. Post was a reply to me and misplaced here. Struway2 ( talk) 08:27, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
I removed the old club badge from Grays Athletic's article, and tried to upload the new one to Commons. I have no idea what license to use and it got speedily deleted. Would someone be able to help me out with updating it? -- Jimbo [online] 23:26, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
in [[Category:National association football premier leagues]] are together a lot of men premier leagues, also the continental templates, like Template:AFC leagues, there you can easily travel around the world, but Template:AFC women's leagues is not paste there, same with others continental federation; I did search and I did not find a women version of that list, yes, there is a Women's association football around the world but is not the same. Is somewhere a women version of [[Category:National association football premier leagues]]? or should we put every (top level) female league there too?-- Feroang ( talk) 03:28, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
There is as issue here. Would anyone happen to have sources for this controversial issue?-- Echetus Xe 13:19, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
What is the general consensus regarding the notability of, say, 2013 UEFA Champions League Final? Currently there is no information about it whatsoever and there is no need to have an article about it at the moment. doomgaze (talk) 23:25, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
Anyone know of a good source for the capacities of football stadia? Many official websites don't have figures. I'm trying to get List of football stadiums in England more fully sourced (see User talk:Pretty Green/sandbox2, which I plan to put 'live' when the winner of the Championship play-off final is known tonight). I've been using football365.com on the grounds that they have figures for all stadia in the top 5 divsions, and that their numbers seem to be fairly close to what we already have and is reported elsewhere. However, their figure for Rotherham United has obviously not been updated to the Don Valley Stadium, bringing into question their figures where there are other significant disputes. Is the Rotherham example a one-off? The alternative source might be footballgroundguidescom, but I've no idea who these people are and what their sources are? Anyone got any suggestions? Pretty Green ( talk) 09:49, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
I once went on a similar referencing drive on List of stadiums in England; some of the sources from that may be useful. I tended to use official club websites where possible. Football365 is riddled with inaccuracies. In several cases the entry in the column for the highest crowd of the season is greater than the stated capacity. The Premier League handbook, while seemingly authoritative, also has this issue. Its figure for the City of Manchester Stadium is flat out wrong, appearing in no other sources and again being lower than at least one crowd from this season. Oldelpaso ( talk) 11:59, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
Does anyone know what, if any, is the relationship between Sam Greenhalgh (born Eagley, near Bolton 1882), John Greenhalgh (born Bolton 1898), Harry Greenhalgh (born Bolton 1900) and Norman Greenhalgh (born Bolton 1914)? -- Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 17:57, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
...some people find it appropriate to mark the team section of 2011–12 Premier League with flags in order to determine "nationality" (and honestly, I expected this to happen sooner or later). Since this has the potential for a possible season-long edit war, I would like to request your opinion on the matter at Talk:2011–12 Premier League#Swansea City and its "nationality". Thanks in advance, Soccer-holic I hear voices in my head... 22:42, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
If someone deems the current state of Lucho González as appropriate (i am as of NOW cleaning the piece up), i think it's time for me to leave WP...I fail to understand "where are we going to"...
Practically, the only thing that lacked was to write about: bookings/shot/shot attempts to all players involved in all matches, just because González dressed up for the game. In all fairness, i should say this would be an excellent contribution in...MARSEILLE's article! -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 23:47, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
Attentively - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 00:34, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
User:Koavf has been inserting in several footballers the category PEOPLE FROM MÁLAGA (CITY), when i think just PEOPLE FROM MÁLAGA suffices 100% well. I think, the brackets with additional info should be used in case of STATES, PROVINCES or otherwise, the city goes without saying. In other examples, we already have PEOPLE FROM BARCELONA, PEOPLE FROM MADRID, PEOPLE FROM BILBAO, PEOPLE FROM LISBON, so i think this one is incoherent.
Furthermore, the name of the article on Wikipedia is Málaga, not Málaga (city). Of course, this is valid for any city in the world (and not just with footballers), not having any beef in particular with this place in particular :) Also, if i am required to place this query elsehwere, please redirect me and i'll gladly do it.
Attentively - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 18:57, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
See talk.-- Dantetheperuvian ( talk) 23:44, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
Is it my computer or has wikipedia changed, I am struggling to find reference templates now, I used ProveIt but that seems to have disappeared and there is no proper reference templates for me to use? Please could someone help? Thanks, Liam Taylor 14:11, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
Here it is (see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/79.213.101.43). In an almost "funny attempt", replaced "banned" banner in his userpage with one of his "lists" (have a go here http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=User:Zombie433&diff=next&oldid=382612744).
Maybe this one has already been dug up, it's been more than a month now, but can't hurt...Attentively - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 00:26, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
Something seems fishy about the Bennett Coughlin article, just recreated for the nth time by Bcoughlin10 ( talk · contribs). Google searches on the subject only show several other wiki-type sites. Could someone way more knowledgable about football than myself please take a look? Thanks, First Light ( talk) 03:19, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
As was previously discussed at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 52#.22Live scores.22 or not.3F and other locations, we don't want to encourage the live updating of scores. This time at Talk:2011_UEFA_Champions_League_Final#Score_updates_removed. Is that simply a guideline or is it a policy? If the latter, let us codify it somewhere. -- Walter Görlitz ( talk) 21:23, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
Sorry to go against the grain here, but hear me out; New users are attracted to articles which are 'in the news' - even 'on telly'. If they come to Wikipedia at half-time, and see the score is up-to-date, they're impressed. They might just add something. If their edit is reverted or undone, they might be put off. I think/hope that all here want to encourage new editors.
What's the downside here - if something is up-to-the-moment? If it's verifiable, referenced, etc. - what's the problem? Just some 'I don't like it being current'?
Above, some cite WP:NOTNEWS - have you read it, what are you saying? While including information on recent developments is sometimes appropriate, breaking news should not be emphasized - but if it's the score of the European Cup, then that is irrelevant. I retort: WP:NOTPAPER. Why not be up-to-the-moment?
WP:RECENT is a user essay; not a policy; not even a guideline. And, it doesn't really apply;
Recently (haha), Jimbo Wales ( talk · contribs) updated the article on Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge the very moment she said "I do" [12] - and was widely congratulated for doing so.
Can anyone show me any policy/consensus that supports removal of verifiable, reliably sourced information simply because it is 'new'?
We were generally congratulated on our coverage of the Japanese Tsunami, and the Chilean mining disaster, because we were up-to-the-minute.
There is no policy or guideline in place that supports removal of adding encyclopaedic, verifiable, referenced data. Removing such additions is a gross breach of WP:AGF. Chzz ► 08:30, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
As the instigator of the template in question, I would be happy for the template to be deleted if it became unnecessary, but in all honesty, I doubt that will ever happen: I'm sure the initiators of the templates for substandard articles, copyvios, unreferenced sections etc would feel the same. Not everyone who stumbles across an article while it is in progress will be aware of that status: the previous convention of putting the results in italics to indicate match in practice was wholly uninformative. I would suggest that avoiding in-match updates to player stats etc is a far higher priority, as that is the edit that will lead to later errors. I suspect that most in-match updates are more about some kind of pride in being the first to make the edit than informing readership, in which case it is mildly flawed, but essentially harmless. Kevin McE ( talk) 18:59, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
Stop looking at football and put in in perspective. There is no minimum time requirement for information to be included; it must only pass verifiability and notability tests. These matches are deemed notable events even before kick off. To argue that the score isn't notable is ludicrous. Once that information is verifiable there is no policy that prohibits inclusion. If you try to enforce a ban on all updates until an event is finished, even ignoring tournament and league event duration arguments, how will you legislate for test cricket, men's major golf championships, and 3 weeks of the Tour de France. The only difference between football and other events is the time scale.--Club Oranje T 10:29, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
Wikipedia is still not a scoreboard. Period. Nothing you say can convince me that this should change. If people continue to misuse Wikipedia, Chzz too, they should be warned and then banned if it continues. The Match in progress template should be deleted. -- Walter Görlitz ( talk) 13:22, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
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While searching for lost foreigners in Yugoslav leagues I found Eric Lukin, an American player that played in NK Pomorac Kostrena, and afterwords in Germany with Sportfreunde Siegen, Koblenz and Saarbrucken, before returning to the States. It seems that earlier he played with Chicago Fire. Now, my question is, Playerhistory says he played 6 matches for the US A national team, but I can´t confirm this anywhere. Is it trouth? FkpCascais ( talk) 19:49, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
Does anyone know the Portuguese club that appears in Preki´s career at his Playerhistory page? I mean, I am a Serbian living in Portugal, so I should know about the Portuguese club of a Serbian player, but I don´t... It isn´t mentioned in his article either. Any clues? FkpCascais ( talk) 21:18, 6 May 2011 (UTC) PS: Even the Portuguese site Zerozero fails to include his alleged Portuguese club... FkpCascais ( talk) 21:22, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
Hi. I'm getting close to being ready to submit Bryan Gunn to FAC, but would welcome your expert comments now, on what may be missing or wrong with it. Please post to the article talk page. Many thanks. -- Dweller ( talk) 11:08, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
Hello! I created this sandbox where I added all the red links of the Fifa World Cup players are not present on en.wiki. I will strive to create them all sooner or later, but I need your help. If someone goes to participate in this project, please, help me, there are many important players waiting to be created Alexxander3000 ( talk) 00:31, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
Fantastic! Meanwhile I should be able to finish the Bolivian players, however, I think doing some extensive research even players who do not have belonged somewhere you should find the statistics for club teams. Alexxander3000 ( talk) 11:24, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
firstly the origins of the game are not dated, so the fabrication of this evolution of the headers and volleys game seems to be slightly bias towards creators in northern ireland. i do have a date, locality and specific names of the creators of the game. the problem with sources is that the fact that it is street soccer and there would not be any known publication. but the very fact that from these creators, there were 3 annual seasons of a redass league until it faded out, showed that there was some kind of structure from its development. Also the rules are not right. the very fact that each player can set themselves up, shows a clear lack of ability. this in turn leads oneself to the conclusion that these were not the creators of redass, as the rules are quite primitive. there are a set of rules and they are vital to the game, but they have to be correct to play not only in the single game, but part of a seasonal league.
hopefully this article can be removed and i will have the right to claim the actual origins to the game redass —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.6.233.252 ( talk) 02:15, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
Hello guys, I'm an Italian user and I would like to know a curiosity. As you know, Manchester United was founded in 1878, but it's really difficult to find the precise date (month and day). Perhaps it's not a vitally important issue, anyway, does anybody know something more? -- VAN ZANT ( talk) 08:51, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
I have nominated Sheffield Wednesday F.C. for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Arsenikk (talk) 09:38, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
empty, we should do something about-- Feroang ( talk) 02:51, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
1926–27 Prima Divisione#Group_D - love the "creative" icon used there....... -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 18:41, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
Someone fancy fixing the rest of these, then? Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 09:09, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
There's a button you can click to get back to where you were now? And I use navigation pop-ups, but mouse-over text still appears for me on Firefox 4, 3.6.16, IE 9, Chrome's latest build, and Opera 4. This icon is not detrimental to Wikipedia in any way, and the 125 people who've viewed the articles daily for years don't seem to mind, either. Wikipedia is meant to be readable, not perfect. Using a 20x15 pixel icon to quickly show disbanding of clubs is in no way anything less than informative and helpful (And is no more ambiguous than a coloured triangle), and although it's somewhat humourous, why is that a bad thing? It is in no way detrimental, so there's no point removing it (Although I wouldn't advocate making it standard). Sellyme Talk 01:28, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
Been meaning to do this for a while but never had the time to do so. I want to start a sort of African football project, where a contributors who are interested can help by creating or fixing up articles on African football. For example, lots of continental competitions don't have articles for each edition of the competition (see CAF Cup for example). Also, lots of other pages have very little info on them except for scores, etc. I was just wondering if other contributors are interested in doing this .. and how to proceed (create a project page maybe?). Thanks. TonyStarks ( talk) 05:19, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
Could someone revert this change? IPs, probably from the red half of Manchester, keep moving Man City to below all the other teams with five wins, even though the table is set up such that, where teams have the same number of wins, the one with the most recent win comes first. It's not strictly vandalism, so I'll be in violation of 3RR if I revert again...... -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 20:15, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
Has this now been cancelled ? See here "A proposal to revive the OFC Nations Cup for 2012, which involved the All Whites and five of the Pacific Island nations, was deferred to 2015. Instead, a Pacific Cup (involving the top five teams from the 2011 Pacific Games and possibly the New Zealand Olympic team) will be held in February 2012." TheBigJagielka ( talk) 12:15, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
Again i am sorry for not doing this in the correct place, but that's not the most important i believe, the fact that it is (eventually) deleted is.
This player does not reach WP:NOTABILITY status, not by a long shot, has only played in amateur football. Contracted by CD Numancia, he ONLY played for CD Numancia B, the reserves, in Tercera División and, after being released in 2010, has represented more teams in the category, CD Victoria and FC Torrevieja (please see this link http://www.futbolme.com/com/jugadores.asp?id_jugador=23393). By the way, the latter club needs a 500% cleanup, will see to it today...
Also, the piece contains storyline added by User:Zombie433 (you may remember him), without any references, so it can very well be another one of his lies.
Attentively, thank you very much in advance - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 16:27, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
Can you advise if my edit here http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=2010–11_Premier_League&oldid=429248155 is the correct interpretation of this projects guidelines re flags ? Gnevin ( talk) 17:06, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
The article on Mágico González, regarding his national team input, keeps being changed (not saying it is vandalism, no siree), and we certainly can't rely on NATIONAL-FOOTBALL-TEAMS.com for this player, there he appears with the grand total of 2 caps/0 goals, when he played in 3 in the 1982 FIFA World Cup alone :)
There is no consensus on anything: caps, appearances, debut date (one user added a chart with international goals, and he scored many against CLUBS, he also corrected his debut data saying it was against Vitória F.C., which is another club, i though those were not FIFA-recognized). Really baffling, inputs please! - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 22:45, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
Anyone aware of anything that has changed since Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Thodoris Moschonas to prevent a G4 of this recreation? I'm guessing it is not substantially different article wise. --Club Oranje T 05:05, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
Just had a question of the project regarding a bit of a spat I'm having with an editor at 2008 Canadian Championship regarding date formatting. Thought I should take it here rather than get into an edit war. I've begun editing the four existing Canadian Championship articles with the hopes of bringing them up to B or GA status. Three of the articles ( 2009, 2010, and 2011) use the date format "month dd, year" for the game summary tables, while the 2008 article uses a "year-mm-dd" format. I edited 2008 to change the format to be consistent with the three other articles, but was reverted on account of WP:MOSDATE. My interpretation of this policy is that consistency is key, while the other user is arguing that this does not matter and that the original date format should be used regardless of what the other articles look like. The user in question seemed a little uncivil in his edit description towards my good faith edit of the page so I figured I shouldn't just take the revert lightly. Is there a WP:FOOTY consensus already existing on this matter? I apologize if I'm being completely blind to this, as I don't tend to stray too often into this project's waters, but have really grown an interest in the Canadian domestic club tournament and want to bring my editing "talents" to those articles. Appreciate the help, thanks! – Nurmsook! talk... 04:18, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
What is the point of the numbers "1" or "2" in, for example, Michael Owen's honours list? Most of us can count that far! -- Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 11:52, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
In Palamós CF, apparently the name of the manager (see infobox) is not vandalism, he is named that way (per LINK#2 - click on it, then click on PLANTILLA Y FICHAJES, then look at the bottom). Wow, talk about impervious defenses, and his assistant could be this guy!
Cheers - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 14:54, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
Is there any where there are guidelines / Templates on how to change the clubs strip to the new season colours. 16:57, 16 May 2011 (UTC) Warburton1368 ( talk)
is time to takeo out of World Football Challenge to the new articles 2009 World Football Challenge and 2011 World Football Challenge as news later said an put it in Template:Friendly tournaments 2011-- Feroang ( talk) 00:13, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
Short question, most likely interesting for our North American contributors: Is 2011 Super-20 League season, a season article of this North American youth league notable enough to keep? Right now, I am a little undecided if I should put a ton of maintenance tags onto the article or plain outright PROD it, as it basically is a stats dump in its current state... -- Soccer-holic I hear voices in my head... 21:21, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
Take a look at the picture in the infobox of this version of 2010–11 Fußball-Bundesliga and judge for yourself...:-D -- Soccer-holic I hear voices in my head... 21:39, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
I continue to have a run-in with a anon user about this article, where he: continues to engage in overlinking, also adding what i (could be wrong though) perceive as over-information (i think it belongs in the page of Valencia CF (what they did and against which club, etc, each season). I have messaged the user 4,5 times, received ZERO feedback.
So, which approach is best, in the "task force"'s opinion? Also, the user (and he edits from England, so i must not be "holier than thou" here) insists on correcting "quarterfinals" to "quarter-finals", i thought both were correct, am i wrong?
Seriously, i am getting a bit fed up with this lack of cooperation, i have inclusively been called a CUNT over this article (not sure if it was this user, but it was from England, after i protected the page). Attentively, ty very much with whatever can be provided to improve my wiki/approach - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 23:17, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
It is generally appreciated that prose giving an overview of the season is added to season articles. However, the club-by-club review section which has recently been added to the 2010–11 Premier League article puzzles me a little bit because of a few things. First of all, it is a huge chunk of text that was added by an IP. Then, the section is completely unsourced. Although I am assuming good faith here, could it be that this is a substantial copy of text from somewhere else (most likely a print since a quick Google research came up with no results)?
In any case, the section could really use some copy-editing and sourcing, so if someone with more time on his/her hands likes to do some creative writing, feel free. -- Soccer-holic I hear voices in my head... 09:23, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
Greetings all,
If you've been keeping up with international football news, Japan has withdrawn from the 2011 Copa América for a number of reasons. With the withdrawal, they were removed from the Participating Teams section of the article and their spots in Group A. But I'm not certain on if Japan should be removed and replaced from the "Draw" section since they were officially participating in the competition when the draw took place. At least that why I think any mention of Japan should stay in that section, but there are bound to be other editor (mainly IP addresses) who would remove Japan from the draw section and replace with their replacement (likely Costa Rica). Any ideas on how to handle this before any back-and-forth editing ensues? Thanks. Digirami ( talk) 10:39, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
What is the notability for a list of official club ranking? CONMEBOL recently published their club ranking. I'm not sure what official use it has besides a ranking... but is it worth enough to merit an article? Digirami ( talk) 23:25, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
My bot is in the process of cleaning out Category:Football biography using deprecated parameters, and the current code attempts to minimize the diffs by not introducing extra newlines, or reordering the fields. However, I was thinking that they resulting code isn't necessarily that "clean" (e.g., indented and aligned). So, I was wondering if there are any preferences for the resulting "indented and aligned" format. I would probably do this as a second pass, with lower priority, since the higher priority is just converting the infobox and making sure there are no errors (e.g., pipes in the wrong position, duplicate fields, or other mangling). So, here are some of the formats that I have seen:
| years1 = 1980-1984 | years2 = 1984-1986 | years3 = 1986-1988 | clubs1 = Club 1 | clubs2 = Club 2 | clubs3 = Club 3 | caps1 = 10 | goals1 = 1 | caps2 = 11 | goals2 = 2 | caps3 = 12 | goals3 = 3
| years1 = 1980-1984 | years2 = 1984-1986 | years3 = 1986-1988 | clubs1 = Club 1 | clubs2 = Club 2 | clubs3 = Club 3 | caps1 = 10 | caps2 = 11 | caps3 = 12 | goals1 = 1 | goals2 = 2 | goals3 = 3
| years1 = 1980-1984 | clubs1 = Club 1 | caps1 = 10 | goals1 = 1 | years2 = 1984-1986 | clubs2 = Club 2 | caps2 = 11 | goals2 = 2 | years3 = 1986-1988 | clubs3 = Club 3 | caps3 = 12 | goals3 = 3
| years1 = 1980-1984 | clubs1 = Club 1 | caps1 = 10 | goals1 = 1 | years2 = 1984-1986 | clubs2 = Club 2 | caps2 = 11 | goals2 = 2 | years3 = 1986-1988 | clubs3 = Club 3 | caps3 = 12 | goals3 = 3
I personally like the ones the best that done try to compress the data into a single line (e.g., caps and goals on the same line), mostly due to the fact that novice editors frequently mistakenly place the data after the pipe, rather than before the pipe. This is the same reason why I like the pipes at the start of the line, rather than the end of the line. Note that "Example 4" often results in very long lines once you add citations and wikilinks for the clubs. However, I really don't have that strong of an opinion. I believe the other bot was using something like "Example 1" or "Example 2", but I don't recall exactly. My bot is currently transforming to "Example 1", but compressed into one line for "years", one line for "clubs" and one line for "caps and goals", but again, this is just to minimize the diffs for auditing purposes. Any opinions? Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 22:21, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
| years1 = 1980-1984 | clubs1 = [[Long club name Club 1]] | caps1 = 10 | goals1 = 1 | years2 = 1984-1986 | clubs2 = [[ShortClub 2]] | caps2 = 11 | goals2 = 2 | years3 = 1986-1988 | clubs3 = [[Long piped club name Club 3|Piped Club3]] | caps3 = 12 | goals3 = 3
| years1 = 1980-1984 | caps1 = 10 | goals1 = 1 | clubs1 = [[Long club name Club 1]] | years2 = 1984-1986 | caps2 = 11 | goals2 = 2 | clubs2 = [[ShortClub 2]] | years3 = 1986-1988 | caps3 = 12 | goals3 = 3 | clubs3 = [[Long piped club name Club 3|Piped Club3]]
Examples for #4 readability in real life editing.--Club Oranje T 04:55, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
For ease of use, No. 4 for me as well. For a player with many clubs, the infobox in the other formats just goes on forever and I wonder if it might be offputting for the newcomer, and format 2 has each club's pieces of information so far apart it encourages editors to make mistakes. cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 07:55, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
| years1 = 1980-1984 | clubs1 = Club 1 | caps1 = 10 | goals1 = 1 | years2 = 1984-1986 | clubs2 = Club 2 | caps2 = 11 | goals2 = 2 | years3 = 1986-1988 | clubs3 = Club 3 | caps3 = 12 | goals3 = 3
I like either number 3 or number 3b, but anything other than 1 or 2 is good. Frietjes ( talk) 17:36, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
A little while back a lot of extra detail (unreferenced) was added into this article from the main Newcastle article. Some of it does not really comprise records and statistics as such i.e. the European section simply lists all their European matches. I've seen other clubs with specific articles relating to their European campaigns, so perhaps the text (suitably sourced) should go to a new page? This records/stats page was already light on sources, and it may be other elements are not really appropriate for the page? I'd appreciate any thoughts. Eldumpo ( talk) 15:04, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
As some of you may have noticed, I've been doing a lot of maintenance work on football categories, particularly about English clubs, in the last couple of weeks. While I was looking through the categories, I found this article. Does anyone know if there is any precedent for this, and should we be looking to split the players and the managers into separate list articles? – Pee Jay 15:45, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
A copyeditor has expressed ignorance of what it means when a goalkeeper makes a "save" and requested a wikilink, which is reasonable. We don't appear to have an article about the term... is it sufficiently notable? Do we have a list of terminology article? -- Dweller ( talk) 13:43, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
There's a longstanding cricket equivalent... Glossary of cricket terms. I can't be sure, but I don't think it always had that name. -- Dweller ( talk) 14:40, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
A Google search produces three websites which could be used as a basis for such an article:
Between them they have most things covered. -- Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 15:55, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
I'm going to "create" the article shortly, perhaps we need to start thinking about pages that now should be merged into it and those which can standalone and be referenced.... All help gratefully received. The Rambling Man ( talk) 16:11, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
Hello.I first created the greek superleague 2011-12 page,and i wonder if i could translate it to Greek. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RazorakosRazor ( talk • contribs) 19:30, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
After edits like this (please see here http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=CA_Osasuna&diff=420527235&oldid=419892234) and this (here http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Pedro_Rodr%C3%ADguez_Ledesma&diff=421312195&oldid=420174307), and several warnings, you'd think this "user" would have been dealt with already.
He allowed for several REAL players to stay at CA Osasuna, guess he does not know there is no salary cap in Spanish football, he could have gone the "extra mile". Almost funny, ALMOST... - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 00:21, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
As a continuation to this question I had a few weeks back, can someone please tell me what they think ? Here are some sources regarding the transfer: [7], [8], [9], and finally the Player profile on official Millwall site. As you can see, one source says that he will join them permanently after the end of the season (but the guy that maintains the Millwall article on Wikipedia dismissed it as a "weak and unreputable source" and reverted my edit), while the other sources are not specific enough on the matter. However, the Millwall site still has him listed as "on loan". Thanks! TonyStarks ( talk) 08:32, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
Hi, Can someone who sorts out categories (either manually or via a bot) check the articles in Category:English football transfers and Category:English football transfer lists to check that the categories on each article are consistent e.g. all have Category: [Year] in England etc. I have been sorting out the English football transfers articles back to 2002-03 when the windows were introduced, so that we have two articles for each season (summer and winter). In Category:English football transfer lists, I want the summer articles to sort under "S" and the winter ones to be under "W" but I need someone to correct the categories for the articles that sort under "L" (by, on the articles, putting for example Category:English football transfer lists|Summer 2009.
I don't know what do about this guy. User:Jolicnikola is a contributor who mostly edits details about barely notable Croatian clubs. I've prodded a few of his creations recently so he might have a problem with me. In any case he created Ozren Nedoklan (a former manager of Hajduk Split) on 13 May with stuff I had prepared earlier in my sandbox here on 11 May. I've put links to articles talking about his career and times in there and was meaning to write the article yesterday and maybe nominate it for DYK - only to find that Jolicnikola beat me to it. I wouldn't mind it if he had actually done something to write he article but he simply pasted the contents of my sandbox to mainspace. I've left a comment at his talk page ( here) but he does not seem to have a habit of responding to messages. Now this is not a big deal with Nedoklan and I intend to expand the article anyway, but surely there must be some way to stop this nonsense before he starts taking other stuff from my sandbox and putting it out there before it is ready for publishing. Is there some policy which can be applied here? Timbouctou ( talk) 08:50, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
I've been having trouble with an anonymous user who keeps insisting on adding a nickname for Hugo Rodallega. I'm fairly convinced it isn't sufficiently notable anyway, but are any player nicknames notable enough to be included in articles? J Mo 101 ( talk) 10:07, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
Following on from David Conn's piece in the Guardian earlier, is there much scope for an article as part of WP:Footy listing clubs income and expenditure for the financial year? TheBigJagielka ( talk) 13:34, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
I have just had a friendly exchange of words regarding some of the contents at Cristian Săpunaru, and this one might turn out to be a "tricky one"...
According to UEFA.com, pretty reliable methinks, the player moved to F.C. Porto for €2.5 million (please see here http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/newsid=732315.html), whereas a Romanian website (here http://www.sportm.ro/Fotbal-intern/liga-i/sapunaru-rapid-porto.html) provides a different figure (6 million plus two players).
User:Cyperuspapyrus reasons that UEFA.com source might be incorrect because a Romanian journalist copied it from TRANSFERMARKT.com, less reliable. Where to go from here now folks? - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 14:34, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
Can anyone please see that this is summarily deleted? User:Ruizinho18 "added" a few articles, two of which were: the Gondomar S.C. history, written ENTIRELY in Portuguese (have already removed it), and the article on their chairman, which says he "is a former Portuguese player" (!!) and has the club logo, simple.
Attentively - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 23:45, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
Hi, in argentina league and other south americans leagues there is a spray use too reforce the laws of the game in free kick situations, I did searh and "aerosol 9-15 Fair Play Limit" (9-15 FPL) sound like his name in spanish http://www.ultimasnoticias.com.uy/hemeroteca/060709/prints/dep12.html , simple nickname as "el aerosol" (english: the spray). Invented by a argentinian sport jornalist Pablo Silva http://edant.clarin.com/diario/2008/05/18/deportes/d-07801.htm , first tested in AFA conpeticions in 2008. and a video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVYoVrECC9Y , serious sorry for too much spanish, I gonna seach information in english, also somebody add it to the new glossary-- Feroang ( talk) 02:02, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
Unseemly argument and editwarring on Ecuador article about the order of names on the recent call-ups section . Do we have any guideline or opinion? Kevin McE ( talk) 06:15, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
Can I have a hand at the Kyle Bartley page please, IPs keep on adding the unreferenced information that Bartley won the Scottish Premiership with Rangers, and I've already reached 3RR. Thanks, Giant Snowman 18:02, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
He did win an SPL medal with Rangers. [11] Banana Fingers ( talk) 10:41, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
And if so can you please check the stats for Regilio Seedorf? Thanks, Giant Snowman 19:27, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
Does a club which has only existed for six years merit a separate history article.......? -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 08:37, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
I have found this category on several players (for now, i remember seeing it on Jorge Costa and Iñigo Idiakez), and the question comes to mind:
Given the fact that it is not sourced, and also a bit irrelevant in the case of sportspeople, what need do we have for the category "ROMAN CATHOLICS" (with the nationality prefix)? I reckon we don't. - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 11:04, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
I would really appreciate a 3th opinion from anyone of you on the edit warring on that article and on the subsequent discussion at Talk:Videoton FC. FkpCascais ( talk) 19:01, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
OH YEA, OH YEA!! All project members are alerted to this new article which is probably something we should have done a decade ago! Please contribute as much as you can and reference as much as possible. The Rambling Man ( talk) 20:15, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
All good chaps, the more the better. This is a fantastic example of what a collaborative effort can achieve in next-to-no time. Good work everyone! The Rambling Man ( talk) 20:31, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
I wish I'd seen this before doing this. If there is consensus to reverse it, I won't stand in the way, but I feel it would be opening a can of worms. Where would we end up: Soccer AM? Spanish, German, Italian, North and South American equivalents of FourFourTwo and MOTD? When Saturday Comes? Motty? Peter Drury? Aside from that though, I agree with Timbouctou's last post. Perhaps we should continue this discussion at the talk page? — W F C— 07:10, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Is this move really necessary? If not then could an administrator please restore it to the way it was. A dab page for two people is not needed, in my opinion. The footballer is undoubtedly more notable so I would have created a hatnote to the mathematician at the top, like I did with György Sándor. What irritates me most is the lack of consideration for what links to an article that an user decides to move without discussion. Numerous articles, including two that are featured, now link to a dab page. Argyle 4 Life talk 09:43, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
Hi everyone,
please excuse my bad English. I'm from Germany, but an ardent supporter of the CA Peñarol. I would like to know if you have any information about lists which show the players with most appearances and the most goals scored for the club – like in this article about CA Vélez Sársfield. I found it nowhere. :( Does anyone know? Best regards -- Florean Fortescue —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.213.120.33 ( talk) 11:40, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
Having been looking at the Golden Generation page and it seems to be a complete mess - currently it just seems to list random teams that someone has decided are good and so listed without really any rhyme or reason. I was intending to tidy it up to take it back to what (in my opinion) it should be - a list of teams that have been referred to as a "golden generation". However as a) I'm fairly new and it would be my largest edit so far and b) it will involve removing a pretty large part of the article, I want to make sure that I'm not being a moron so thought I should get some advice. It's worth noting that all of the information I'd remove is covered elsewhere in (again, in my opinion) more appropriate areas. Thanks Robinr22 ( talk) 14:53, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Came across this user a few minutes ago. Have dealt with it, and it's probably not worth blocking, as I assume he has jumped IPs. The vandalism was quite hard to spot on the watchlist, because most of the changes are exactly 0 bytes of difference, so I just thought I'd give people a heads up to check any articles of this sort they have watched. There was a particular emphasis on Gillingham for some reason, possibly a previous blocked or banned user? — W F C— 10:31, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Anyone know a good site for French Cup and French League Cup stats ? LFP used to be good but I don't think the stats are available anymore for some players since they released the new version of the site. TonyStarks ( talk) 12:59, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Hello all, I am making this point as a continuation of the Albania paragraph here (permanent link). I believe that Albania's case is the same as Macedonia's and Montenegro's. As far as I know neither is fully professional. I believe we have to change the requirements of WP:NFOOTY, because otherwise we'll have to delete hundreds of Macedonian, Montenegrin, and Albanian players.
As a matter of fact I don't find the notability for players fair at all: the Albanian, Montenegrin, and Macedonian players compete against fully professional players in European Leagues and all of them have professional contracts, but still their respective leagues are not called fully professional, because there is sometimes government intervention. I believe we have to make a change in the notability requirements, because as it is, many players' articles will have to be deleted, and much work will go to waste. Not necessarily the level of soccer in these countries is worse than that of other countries with professional leagues though. Besides, the Albanian league will soon be professional, there are some indications on that, and I can bring the sources, so those articles will have to be written all over again.
Right now one of the best hopes of Albanian soccer players Armando Vajushi, is considered for deletion, but I am sure that his article will have to be written again, as soon as he will start playing in a foreign "professional" league.
I want to know your opinions before I go ahead and make a proposal, which will consist in having NFOOTY accept fully all players of top European Leagues, given the importance of soccer in all European countries. Thank you. -- Doktor Plumbi ( talk) 19:29, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
To be honest, I think its a shame how England's 5th tier can somehow be more important than Albania's top flight! People spend time and effort creating pages for players in the top leagues of the 'lesser countries' and to have all that taken away makes you wonder why you even bother. I have personally created many pages on Albanian footballers and have seen a lot of them deleted, which is a real shame and a let down from my prespective. And as for Armando Vajushi, I have been in the process of updating his page as well as I can, especially now with a lot of top teams after him, but we're only human and I have AS exams to worry about. Oltianruci ( talk) 22:59, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
As noted above, the proposal has been made several times before, and rejected each time. We have to draw the boundary somewhere, and the line betwen fully-professional and part-time is easily the clearest we have. Relaxing the rules for some leagues but not others relies solely on opinions of which leagues are notable, rather than facts. I think something to bear in mind is (as I've said before) if football was popular enough in these countries for the non-international players to be notable, then they would probably be able to support a fully professional league (as many less wealthy countries do). Number 5 7 09:02, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
<reduce indent> Just to stir the pot slightly, I should note that the Conference National, with the relegation of Histon, Altrincham and Eastbourne now has only one non-full time team ( Barrow AFC), who themselves are going to 4 days a week. The newly promoted teams are all pro/turning pro. Now I think that's pretty good justification for calling the Conference a 'fully professional league' is it not? So maybe (presuming we don't think that the Conference is notable enough for player article creation) we ought to rethink 'professional' as the major guideline. Pretty Green ( talk) 13:35, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
Just a minor important note. I see continuosly being mentioned the Macedonian First League, but everyone is missing the fact that their league IS considered professional, while the others mentioned in same group aren´t. I´m not saying anything about supporting or not any of the sides here, just reminding everyone about this fact. FkpCascais ( talk) 17:35, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
Also, @Doktor Plumbi, despite simpatizing with your cause, you should be more carefull and precise about your arguments, because you loose points and allow other participants to accuse you of OR and POV because of untrou arguments such as about 1991 Red Star (Crvena Zvezda) players for exemple, where you say "they would all fail GNG", because most (if not all) of them wouldn´t fail, for several reasons, among them the fact that most were national team players already, and because some had already had spells in pro leagues before 1991, so please avoid making uprecise comparisons. Not even needing to remind you about the quality the Yugoslav league had back then, and the fact that it was allways qualified within top 10 league ranking in Europe.
Now, regarding the question itself, as Oltianruci may possibly know, I have been making efforts to source, complete and improve many articles about players that play in Albania and other countries in the region, despite the fact that I was aware that Albanian league was not considered pro. I did it because I knew most were about better players that by time someone checking noteced them, those players were probably already playing abroad in some pro league, or at least the national team. Now, that was in a time when only the best players had articles, but seems that now we have entire medium and small size clubs from Albanian league having all their players with articles, well, that obviously becomes a problem, and it does make me think that possibly only the ones that played in pro leagues, and the ones with national team caps, should have an article. Otherwise we are having an enormous number of unnotable players with careers hard to find, complete and follow, and we do want to avoid having that kind of biographies here. Also, editors making numerous articles should be familiarised with the policies before making them, and having them made can not be at any point an argument used as excuse for not following principles. FkpCascais ( talk) 17:46, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
I think we are in danger of forgetting what WP:NFOOTY is. It is a threshold that we use to allow us (often erroneously, I would suggest, and Timouctou would seem to concur) to conclude that an individual will have sufficient written about him elsewhere to meet GNG. Failure to meet NFOOTY does not per se justify deletion, and NFOOTY excludes no article from the encyclopaedia: failure to meet NFOOTY, where there is no evidence of meeting GNG does however. It should be noted that GNG states Sources are not required to be available online, and they are not required to be in English. So if football is a high profile sport in Albania, Macedonia, Montenegro, and Bosnia, then presumably there will be articles ion the press and sporting media in those countries about many of the players in those leagues that will easily meet GNG. We don't need to abandon a shortcut notability test to allow players to meet an alternative test. Kevin McE ( talk) 12:46, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
NFOOTBALL (or more specifically WP:FPL) is a potentially useful starting point for determining notability, and I agree that it is applied in too fixed a manner i.e. minor stub articles being deemed notable, and articles for players who do not meet the specific NFOOTBALL criteria having their sources cast aside (only local coverage, stats database etc) too easily. I disagree with some posters above who say the current system is not broken. I believe there are a number of issues with it, and this thread is just the latest time recently it's been brought up. I'd like to see a few more of the respected editors at WP:Footy respond here, as hopefully we are not too far off coming up with revised notability criteria for footballers. Eldumpo ( talk) 08:47, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Here's my tuppence worth, so please bear with me. WP:NFOOTY may not be perfect, but IMO it's the simplest and most equitable solution we have, and until someone presents a more viable option it's the guideline that should continue to be used. As I've said once or twice before, a footballer's notability isn't based on how many journalists write about them, it's generally based on what they achieve on the field. Reaching a standard that enables you to play as a full-time professional is a good marker, just as a politician "makes it" by getting elected to parliament, or a pop musician makes it by getting a song into the charts.
Now having said that, there is room for improvement. At the moment, this guideline is black-and-white and makes no distinction between the differing levels of play - the top four divisions in England are fully professional, but I'm sure everyone would agree an appearance in League Two is in no way equal to an appearance in the Premiership. Perhaps one way to address this would be to implement some sort of sliding scale to take into account the differences between levels of play. I'm not a particular fan of the "one game and you're in" approach, so for a four-tier system I was thinking of a minimum threshold something along the lines of 5 games (level 1) / 10 games (level 2) / 20 games (level 3) / 30 games (level 4) - these are just rough ballpark figures that I'm throwing up for discussion. This would be adjusted for countries that have less than four professional divisions, and this could even be extended to include top-level semi-professional leagues so that long-established players in these countries could be included.
Comments please? —BETTIA— talk 14:13, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
would we then have to apply this new guideline to already-created articles? What about players who have disputed stats? By trying to change this guideline we're creating more hassle for ourselves, when NFOOTY shouldn't be our primary concern. Don't forget that our #1 notability threshold is the GNG, and as long as it meets that, an article is notable - it doesn't matter whether they've played 500 games or 1 game, whether they've played in the Premier League or in the Guam League. Giant Snowman 20:26, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Bettia, your suggestion has merit. Not 100% sure your numbers are where they need to be but the general concept is pretty good. Of course it should all have been discussed some months ago when WP:NSPORTS was being developed and made official guideline.--Club Oranje T 10:43, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
I think it would be useful if the WP:FPL page is renamed to relate to footballers notability in general. There should be some guidance at the start to indicate the football consensus as to what kinds of sources are regarded as notable i.e. it would discuss issues such as local coverage, stats databases, transfer articles etc. The page could also provide some links to pages/sources detailing other aspects of notability such as league attendances, UEFA and other regional league rankings etc. The FPL list could remain within the article, and until/unless there is a consensus to change this being the sole determinant of NFOOTBALL notability, the link from NSPORT would still go directly to the FPL list. Any thoughts? Eldumpo ( talk) 09:07, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
I copied WP:FPL over to Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Notability of footballers, and am in the very early stages of restructuring it along the lines of Bettia's proposal. I've made explicitly clear beside the arbitrary figure that it is merely a starting point. I'm mindful of not doing too much myself, because I appreciate that I may coming at this from quite a different perspective to others. Further input welcome. — W F C— 06:08, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Are we going to consider certain 2nd tier leagues to be as notable as the top level leagues? I don't know if this suggestion is getting too far ahead of what's being drafted, but as it is a player in the Championship or the 2. Bundesliga would be less notable than a player from the Armenian Premier League. Good work so far though - I still fear there a lot of stumbling blocks to overcome, but that's not to say improvements aren't possible. J Mo 101 ( talk) 12:43, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
I've started a couple of threads at the talk page re stats sites/books and thresholds. I think other topics that need starting including "local-only coverage for GNG", "regional bias/how to deal with outside Europe" and "consideration of attendances/other means of notability". Eldumpo ( talk) 14:22, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Greetings all,
A recently retired footballer in Ecuador has just been named to a cabinet position in the Ecuadorian government. Can anyone direct me to another article of a footballer turned politician so I can get an idea/example on how to handle the article, specifically for the infoboxes. Thanks. Digirami ( talk) 02:04, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
How about Lynn Swann? Erikeltic ( Talk) 03:29, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
People notable for both football and politics
Name | Country | Football | Politics |
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Camille Dimmer | Luxembourg | ||
Pelé | Brazil | Santos, Brazil | Senate |
Mustafa Mansour | Egypt | ||
George Weah | Liberia | Liberia | Presidential candidate |
Don Rossiter | England | ||
Garan Fabou Kouyate | Mali | ||
Albert Guðmundsson | Iceland | ||
Oleg Blokhin | Soviet Union, Ukraine | ||
Carlos Bilardo | Argentina | ||
Jozsef Bozsik | Hungary | ||
Toshiro Tomochika | Japan | Diet | |
Danny Jordaan | South Africa | ||
Randy Horton | Bermuda | Bermuda | |
Éric Di Meco | France | ||
William Clegg | England | ||
Roberto Dinamite | Brazil | ||
Romario | Brazil | Brazil | |
Bebeto | Brazil | Brazil |
The live version is at User:Hack/Footballing_politicians Hack ( talk) 09:08, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
In 1997, a game was held between a European XI and an African XI in Lisbon, Portugal. The game was organized by UEFA and CAF in an effort to combat racism. Complete line-ups and scorers can be found at RSSSF's website (just scroll down a bit). There's also a good video on YouTube about the match with some commentary at the start : Africa vs Europe 1997. I wanted to create an article for the page but I wasn't sure what the title of the article should be. Anyone have any ideas ? TonyStarks ( talk) 20:31, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Found this article you could use: Football: Europe v Africa match makes history. It says that the coaches for Africa were Rabah Madjer and Mawade Wade. Dr. Vicodine ( talk) 18:24, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
the very relevant article and his 17 articles refering to the 17 rules are currently not part of the templates Template:Association football terminology or Template:Association football chronology, and it should have his own template, maybe something like Template:Association football laws. "Rules" and specifics rules are part of Template:Basketball. The rules-laws are the definition inself of the game, we should fast show that football is not a alternative name of baseball-- Feroang ( talk) 03:37, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Quick question Scott Wootton's article has been amended in the careers statistics section to show an appearance for Manchester United last night under 'Other'. Should this be included or do we view this like pre-season friendlies and not include? Zanoni ( talk) 09:54, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
There is currently a RFC on the use of flags within lists, including lists within articles, at WT:MOSICON. This project is potentially affected by the RFC, and constructive comments from members of this WP is welcome. Also, {{ football squad player}} is apparently the cause of some discontentment re the display of flags. I've made a suggestion on the talk page of the template re correcting this. Mjroots ( talk) 12:30, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Would anyone object using multiple instance of Template:Infobox football league season for Apertura/Clausura leagues where each tournament crowns a different champion? Digirami ( talk) 08:17, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Hi. Just visiting from WP:CRIC! I'm making a list of notable Buckinghamshire cricketers, while doing so I came across Bill Yates (footballer) who played football for Bolton and Watford. His cricket career was at a Minor counties level, so on its own is non-notable. I have no idea where to look up information on footballers, so would anyone be able to create his article, then I can add his cricket info? Thanks. AssociateAffiliate ( talk) 09:40, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
Hi. Just stumbled across this Zimbabwean footballer's article, that if you view the history, had turned into a spoof page for the last few weeks. I've reverted back to the original version, but if people could keep an eye on it, just to monitor for anymore vandalism? I'm not around enough to do it myself. Cheers Eastlygod ( talk) 11:11, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
Im having an issue with the Disciplinary records table in article 2011–12 Heart of Midlothian F.C. season it wont display the table properly just the content. Not sure whats wrong with it hoping someone could have a look for me. 18:46, 26 May 2011 (UTC) Warburton1368 ( talk)
Category:Defunct football competitions in Turkey
I stumbled on one of the National League season articles in random page patrol. Their page names, and their lead sections, could probably use some clarification or standardization if there's an applicable MOS section. I have no experience with this, so I'm giving it to this WikiProject. Raymie ( t • c) 19:30, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
If you are anything like me then you have forgotten all about this. Here is the table:
Rank | Wikipedian | Club | Points |
---|---|---|---|
1 | Simon Clarke | Inter Alia | 2001 |
2 | Stefan Papp | Toothless Tigers | 1963 |
3 | Chris Cunningham | Super Ayr United | 1821 |
4 | James Morrison | Inter Milamb | 1782 |
5 | Craig Harris | Port Vale | 1662 |
6 | Kevin McElhinney | Spencer Creedon FC | 1658 |
7 | Dominic Nelson | Cunning Stunts | 1605 |
8 | Philip Copley | Real Jesmondo | 1594 |
9 | Malte Zander | Bluewhite74 | 1566 |
Congratulations Mr. Clarke!-- Echetus Xe 12:53, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
I've created this page. There's little press information about their first game in the mainstream media; a match against Kenya has been organised for the 9th July at Juba Stadium. TheBigJagielka ( talk) 14:47, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Non-FIFA football is a good article to read when you think in current south sudan, maybe copy some category.-- Feroang ( talk) 19:02, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Should the Mexico's U22 upcoming friendly matches be added to the Mexico's national senior team's article? Even though it is an U22 team with five overage players, the caps still will count as a senior cap. GoPurple 'n Gold24 18:31, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
I made a post on the above topic at Village Pump (Policy). My query basically related to references to strangely-titled books that I had come across when searching for online links to various footballers, and it turns out these are simply a random collection of Wikipedia articles cobbled together, not in any way edited/checked and then offered for sale at high prices. The basic answer to my question is that the Wikipedia license does not in any way prohibit the actions of these companies, although I do have some further questions relating to some of the issues arising at that post that I may subsequently raise. Anyway, I thought I'd flag the issue here for info, given the large number of footballer articles. I'm not sure how many of you were already aware of this. Regards. Eldumpo ( talk) 20:29, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
I guess we should copypaste, some of the templates at end of FIFA article in Association football, we should show that somebody play proffesional football, like in the articles basketball, baseball, or futsal, show that international football is a real thing, show that there is more that 1 country where leagues are on.-- Feroang ( talk) 18:57, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Some leagues will play their last rounds in days to come, some had already finished the season, however one of the WP club articles periods that I most hate is about to begin: the period when million of IP´s add and remove players from club squads, when one doesn´t have any clue when searching info in some other club squad, because most probably since the end of the season a million IP´s had already mixed a million players in that squad... I mean, I HATE this period! Honestly, I would freeze the last season squad until the start of next one. I supose that neither I know what do I pretend with this thread, but all I know is that from now on numerous club articles will just live a total anarchy for a couple of months... Have we ever discussed this? FkpCascais ( talk) 19:40, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Message moved to my talk page. Post was a reply to me and misplaced here. Struway2 ( talk) 08:27, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
I removed the old club badge from Grays Athletic's article, and tried to upload the new one to Commons. I have no idea what license to use and it got speedily deleted. Would someone be able to help me out with updating it? -- Jimbo [online] 23:26, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
in [[Category:National association football premier leagues]] are together a lot of men premier leagues, also the continental templates, like Template:AFC leagues, there you can easily travel around the world, but Template:AFC women's leagues is not paste there, same with others continental federation; I did search and I did not find a women version of that list, yes, there is a Women's association football around the world but is not the same. Is somewhere a women version of [[Category:National association football premier leagues]]? or should we put every (top level) female league there too?-- Feroang ( talk) 03:28, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
There is as issue here. Would anyone happen to have sources for this controversial issue?-- Echetus Xe 13:19, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
What is the general consensus regarding the notability of, say, 2013 UEFA Champions League Final? Currently there is no information about it whatsoever and there is no need to have an article about it at the moment. doomgaze (talk) 23:25, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
Anyone know of a good source for the capacities of football stadia? Many official websites don't have figures. I'm trying to get List of football stadiums in England more fully sourced (see User talk:Pretty Green/sandbox2, which I plan to put 'live' when the winner of the Championship play-off final is known tonight). I've been using football365.com on the grounds that they have figures for all stadia in the top 5 divsions, and that their numbers seem to be fairly close to what we already have and is reported elsewhere. However, their figure for Rotherham United has obviously not been updated to the Don Valley Stadium, bringing into question their figures where there are other significant disputes. Is the Rotherham example a one-off? The alternative source might be footballgroundguidescom, but I've no idea who these people are and what their sources are? Anyone got any suggestions? Pretty Green ( talk) 09:49, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
I once went on a similar referencing drive on List of stadiums in England; some of the sources from that may be useful. I tended to use official club websites where possible. Football365 is riddled with inaccuracies. In several cases the entry in the column for the highest crowd of the season is greater than the stated capacity. The Premier League handbook, while seemingly authoritative, also has this issue. Its figure for the City of Manchester Stadium is flat out wrong, appearing in no other sources and again being lower than at least one crowd from this season. Oldelpaso ( talk) 11:59, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
Does anyone know what, if any, is the relationship between Sam Greenhalgh (born Eagley, near Bolton 1882), John Greenhalgh (born Bolton 1898), Harry Greenhalgh (born Bolton 1900) and Norman Greenhalgh (born Bolton 1914)? -- Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 17:57, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
...some people find it appropriate to mark the team section of 2011–12 Premier League with flags in order to determine "nationality" (and honestly, I expected this to happen sooner or later). Since this has the potential for a possible season-long edit war, I would like to request your opinion on the matter at Talk:2011–12 Premier League#Swansea City and its "nationality". Thanks in advance, Soccer-holic I hear voices in my head... 22:42, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
If someone deems the current state of Lucho González as appropriate (i am as of NOW cleaning the piece up), i think it's time for me to leave WP...I fail to understand "where are we going to"...
Practically, the only thing that lacked was to write about: bookings/shot/shot attempts to all players involved in all matches, just because González dressed up for the game. In all fairness, i should say this would be an excellent contribution in...MARSEILLE's article! -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 23:47, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
Attentively - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 00:34, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
User:Koavf has been inserting in several footballers the category PEOPLE FROM MÁLAGA (CITY), when i think just PEOPLE FROM MÁLAGA suffices 100% well. I think, the brackets with additional info should be used in case of STATES, PROVINCES or otherwise, the city goes without saying. In other examples, we already have PEOPLE FROM BARCELONA, PEOPLE FROM MADRID, PEOPLE FROM BILBAO, PEOPLE FROM LISBON, so i think this one is incoherent.
Furthermore, the name of the article on Wikipedia is Málaga, not Málaga (city). Of course, this is valid for any city in the world (and not just with footballers), not having any beef in particular with this place in particular :) Also, if i am required to place this query elsehwere, please redirect me and i'll gladly do it.
Attentively - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 18:57, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
See talk.-- Dantetheperuvian ( talk) 23:44, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
Is it my computer or has wikipedia changed, I am struggling to find reference templates now, I used ProveIt but that seems to have disappeared and there is no proper reference templates for me to use? Please could someone help? Thanks, Liam Taylor 14:11, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
Here it is (see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/79.213.101.43). In an almost "funny attempt", replaced "banned" banner in his userpage with one of his "lists" (have a go here http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=User:Zombie433&diff=next&oldid=382612744).
Maybe this one has already been dug up, it's been more than a month now, but can't hurt...Attentively - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 00:26, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
Something seems fishy about the Bennett Coughlin article, just recreated for the nth time by Bcoughlin10 ( talk · contribs). Google searches on the subject only show several other wiki-type sites. Could someone way more knowledgable about football than myself please take a look? Thanks, First Light ( talk) 03:19, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
As was previously discussed at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 52#.22Live scores.22 or not.3F and other locations, we don't want to encourage the live updating of scores. This time at Talk:2011_UEFA_Champions_League_Final#Score_updates_removed. Is that simply a guideline or is it a policy? If the latter, let us codify it somewhere. -- Walter Görlitz ( talk) 21:23, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
Sorry to go against the grain here, but hear me out; New users are attracted to articles which are 'in the news' - even 'on telly'. If they come to Wikipedia at half-time, and see the score is up-to-date, they're impressed. They might just add something. If their edit is reverted or undone, they might be put off. I think/hope that all here want to encourage new editors.
What's the downside here - if something is up-to-the-moment? If it's verifiable, referenced, etc. - what's the problem? Just some 'I don't like it being current'?
Above, some cite WP:NOTNEWS - have you read it, what are you saying? While including information on recent developments is sometimes appropriate, breaking news should not be emphasized - but if it's the score of the European Cup, then that is irrelevant. I retort: WP:NOTPAPER. Why not be up-to-the-moment?
WP:RECENT is a user essay; not a policy; not even a guideline. And, it doesn't really apply;
Recently (haha), Jimbo Wales ( talk · contribs) updated the article on Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge the very moment she said "I do" [12] - and was widely congratulated for doing so.
Can anyone show me any policy/consensus that supports removal of verifiable, reliably sourced information simply because it is 'new'?
We were generally congratulated on our coverage of the Japanese Tsunami, and the Chilean mining disaster, because we were up-to-the-minute.
There is no policy or guideline in place that supports removal of adding encyclopaedic, verifiable, referenced data. Removing such additions is a gross breach of WP:AGF. Chzz ► 08:30, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
As the instigator of the template in question, I would be happy for the template to be deleted if it became unnecessary, but in all honesty, I doubt that will ever happen: I'm sure the initiators of the templates for substandard articles, copyvios, unreferenced sections etc would feel the same. Not everyone who stumbles across an article while it is in progress will be aware of that status: the previous convention of putting the results in italics to indicate match in practice was wholly uninformative. I would suggest that avoiding in-match updates to player stats etc is a far higher priority, as that is the edit that will lead to later errors. I suspect that most in-match updates are more about some kind of pride in being the first to make the edit than informing readership, in which case it is mildly flawed, but essentially harmless. Kevin McE ( talk) 18:59, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
Stop looking at football and put in in perspective. There is no minimum time requirement for information to be included; it must only pass verifiability and notability tests. These matches are deemed notable events even before kick off. To argue that the score isn't notable is ludicrous. Once that information is verifiable there is no policy that prohibits inclusion. If you try to enforce a ban on all updates until an event is finished, even ignoring tournament and league event duration arguments, how will you legislate for test cricket, men's major golf championships, and 3 weeks of the Tour de France. The only difference between football and other events is the time scale.--Club Oranje T 10:29, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
Wikipedia is still not a scoreboard. Period. Nothing you say can convince me that this should change. If people continue to misuse Wikipedia, Chzz too, they should be warned and then banned if it continues. The Match in progress template should be deleted. -- Walter Görlitz ( talk) 13:22, 3 June 2011 (UTC)