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I am currently trying to bring Tow Law Town A.F.C. to GA and one of the issues that has come up is squad numbering in the current squad section. I was wondering if anyone could give me any help or sources to resolve the issue. Fintan264 ( talk) 19:26, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
Has this article actually been through the Good Article Review process because I cant seem to find anywhere where it has. Besides it barely meets the criteria anyway. – Liam Taylor– 12:57, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
Can an admin please re-create this article? He made his professional debut today, as per http://uslpro.uslsoccer.com/scripts/runisa.dll?M2:gp::72013+Elements/Display+E+47107+Stats/+2175582. Thanks JonBroxton ( talk) 05:28, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
How can this image have valid fair use rationales for each individual Manchester City season going back to 2000-01? Surely its use on those articles would be purely decorative, making the fair use rationales invalid? – Pee Jay 13:48, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
I'm more concerned about the data on the number of times that Man City have worn their different kits, including stats on the goalie's kit too, for 2010-11. Overkill, surely? Ilikeeatingwaffles ( talk) 14:52, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
Can somebody expand upon this section please? I'm unable to find much more information.
Who has presided over the Football League since 1988, when did the FL decide to adopt Chairmen instead of presidents? TheBigJagielka ( talk) 14:39, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
On the formation page (association football) the MM formation is mistakenly termed as a WW. This is confusing because the formation is a 3-2-3-2, and even says so in the article. By this logic, the notorious WM formation (a 3-2-2-3) would be referred to as a MW, which is certainly not correct. The actual article is accurate for the most part (though I'm not comfortable with the view that Bukovi turned the WM "upside down"), but the MM title is much truer and credible. Bronaldinho ( talk) 18:13, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
His article says that he is of Somali descent and is of Black African descent. I'm pretty sure both are not true and anyways, they're unreferenced. Can anyone confirm? TonyStarks ( talk) 07:39, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
So we have Jordan Clarke (footballer) and Jordan Clarke (footballer born 1991), I can't think of a decent way to seperate them other than position (defender/striker) - but even that isn't ideal, for obvious reasons. Help appreciated! Giant Snowman 01:02, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
Hi, I did adeed top mexican, argentinian and brazilian nationals leagues list to that table, maybe somebody can add another one base on IFFS: Strongest National League in the World, also my english suck, and I hope this talk page of this wikiproject is the right place to say that, sorry if I broke some rule-- Feroang ( talk) 04:20, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
The {{Fb_rbr_position}} ("Round-by-round position") template produces a "red/pink" background for 15th & 16th places. See here for an example. See also the current season for Southampton ( here) where 5th places and upwards are shown in various shades of green/blue, although the equivalent for QPR ( here) gives second place in silver, as expected. I can't see why the problem is arising - can someone fix it? Thanks. -- Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 04:32, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
Hello project. This just popped up on my watchlist earlier today, where it was considered that actual league names be removed and replaced with "Second tier of English football" (etc) pipelinked back to the actual league. Of course, this may be a good idea but I wondered what we thought on a project level because we really ought to be consistent throughout all of our project's English league articles. The Rambling Man ( talk) 16:13, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
If I'm referring to a league generally, say within a player article, I would normally just list the name of the league direct. If I'm doing a list of club honours I have sometimes just put the tier in (e.g. [1]) although other times I have put in brackets after the seasons the name of the league at the time [2] - perhaps the latter is better for clarity. Eldumpo ( talk) 08:20, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
Can anybody suggest some categories for this article? I am unsure whether the article title is the most suitable. TheBigJagielka ( talk) 11:57, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
It occurred to me looking at Tottenham Hotspur F.C. that we seem to have allowed for extremely detailed kit mockups to be added to some Premier League articles. Looking at Template talk:Football kit/doc, it looks like this occurred around August last year (indeed I've actually commented on that discussion, though I don't remember seeing the part about allowing for more detailed kits). Was there a bigger discussion about this? Is it something that people are generally aware of? Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 19:32, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
He will make his 1000th appearance on Saturday according to the BBC, yet our (sourced) total is in the 920s. Could someone else have a look at this to see where our table is incorrect? Thanks. The only things I could think of were either Football League Trophy appearances when he was in the lower leagues, or if the 1000 figure includes his 40 Scotland international caps. Jmorrison230582 ( talk) 17:06, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
Anyone have any idea what the consensus is for the cut off point for clubs having a separate article for their history like "History of Template F.C."? Is it just a case of if the team is notable and the article is well referenced? Thanks. Delusion23 ( talk) 10:11, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
Can an admin please re-create the article for Connor Tobin. He made his professional debut today as per http://uslpro.uslsoccer.com/stats/2011/2175586.html. Thank you! JonBroxton ( talk) 03:27, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
I know Argyle 4 Life has recently made the page History of Plymouth Argyle F.C. but there is no history section left on the main Plymouth Argyle page. I thought if you made a History article for a club you would take the bulk of the info, not the whole lot. Could someone explain.... – Liam Taylor– 09:30, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
Hello. I'm trying to learn to write entries for the World Cup football on Wikipedia. I have already created some items, as you can see in my contributions, but my style is not perfect. I wanted to ask, where can I improve my style and how do I add information to the biography of players when they are many, many years ago where there are very few information on the web Alexxander3000 ( talk) 18:46, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
JonBroxton and I are having a slight petty edit war over whether to include POBs in the brackets (i.e. (born 1 January 1900 in London) or not. Please join in the discussion at Talk:Bryan Arguez#Place of birth in brackets in lede so we can get some consensus. Regards, Giant Snowman 12:17, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
Take a look at this season's articles. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Liberian_Premier_League_seasons . Every single one of them just lists number of teams and champion. - Koppapa ( talk) 21:45, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
Why do we include only domestic league matches in infobox? In my opinion it would be better to include matches in all official competitions (as in career statistics section). TheBiggestFootballFan ( talk) 22:11, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
Apologies if this has been covered but I haven't been around much for a long while. The following is one example of many. 1960–61 Football League First Division contains no additional information than what is available in the parent article 1960–61 Football League and is essentially a content fork. Are there any objections in such cases to me creating a redirect back to the parent article? Of course, if the parent article gets too large, then we can split/summarise accordingly. Thanks. -- Jameboy ( talk) 00:14, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
The "user" i mention in the message title has been thoroughly discussed and "acted upon", but very little has been said about User:Pararubbas (at least EVERY time i bring him up here, he's a football vandal, 60+ socks!!), beats me why...
Well, you teammates better want to keep your eye on this "user", from Norway: he also "contributes" solely (at least from what i know) with anon addresses, i have reported the last one (please see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/88.88.13.239) to an administrator, who has issued another warning.
What does this "user" do? As seen for instance in Santi Cazorla, Joan Capdevila and Raúl Tamudo, he does not seem to like B teams in box, those go out because he says so! Also, if he "spots" any national team he finds "odd" (U-21, U-23, etc), he removes those as well. What a vandal!! Attentively, you have been briefed - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 17:05, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
Hi Project. Not overly keen on these pages, seem to display an overwhelming level of recentism, but can you all have a look at this one and tell me if I'm going bonkers. Entries like 5 Feb, 19 March, 2, 9 and 16 April contain way too much info. I thought these were supposed to be the "major events" in English football throughout the season. Anyone agree we should crop it back a bit? The Rambling Man ( talk) 18:00, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
Hi there teammates, i am back from the dead (24-hr block, fair in light of WP guidelines), here's this:
User 98.229.166.205 (see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:98.229.166.205) still continues to NOT ALLOW us to write final years for Portuguese players' international careers, he feels every single one of them needs to hold a press conference and say so, aside of all the logic attached. How many people think Nuno Gomes will never play with the national team again raise your hand (this season, the 35-year old appeared in FIVE league games for Benfica, not sure if he totalled 50 minutes)...Portugal manager Paulo Bento, according to this user, has stated he counts on Gomes for the future, that's diplomacy from where i come from, nothing else...However, this user has angrily reverted stuff when people have inserted a final year in the infobox, i have just been blocked for the first time, cannot say i appreciated the experience much (but i repeat the block was deserved), if this situation escalates, i know who will be on the losing end, i'll leave it be, hurray for incomplete info!
This brings me to a related item, also courtesy of same user (by the way, i have notified the user on both discussions i have raised here - this being the second - and messaged him several times, he says "talk to the hand", nothing besides edit summaries, which are growing in anger): he also adds national team years whenever a player is called, even if he does not make debut (i know a similar discussion was raised in the past, the one referring to players who had never been capped, only called up).
See for instance Hugo Ventura Ferreira Moura Guedes: was called for two friendlies in 2011, as third-goalkeeper (finally did not sit on the bench on either occasion!) but the anon user writes "2011-" in box nonetheless. Given the competition for the goalie position in my country ( Eduardo Carvalho (28 years), Rui Patrício (23) and Beto (28)), what if Ventura only makes international debut - if he makes it - in 2016? Should his box read "2011-" or "2016-"?
Attentively, great to be back - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 14:51, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
I thought I read on here that we don't create templates for youth national teams in international competitions. However, I noticed that a user (who tends to know his stuff) created some for the 2011 African Youth Championship (templates are at Category:2011 African Youth Championship squad templates). So are these OK ? TonyStarks ( talk) 04:45, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
Arminia Bielefeld have been deducted three points for using a league club guarantee fund. Because of the penalty, they have been relegated from the 2010–11 2. Fußball-Bundesliga. Could anyone update the season article? I can't work out the codes in the league table. 83.84.195.88 ( talk) 12:21, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
It seems that we have another anonymous football fan. Some of the edits seem OK. Other are pure vandalism such as removing 2002 FIFA World Cup from the succession boxes of the world cup articles before and after it. If someone with a bit more experience could verify Special:Contributions/79.108.0.125, that would be greatly appreciated. -- Walter Görlitz ( talk) 17:36, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
Wonder if someone with a bit more experience would have a look at Kenny Shiels the article is a total mess.17:48, 19 April 2011 (UTC) Warburton1368 ( talk)
Hey everyone. I found this. Check out IP´s contribs. Definitely Zombie. FkpCascais ( talk) 19:14, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
Is this him as well? I think I remember unsourced squads of national teams that haven't played for some years, in a non-standard format, was part of his modus operandi. Kevin McE ( talk) 17:27, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
Hi guys. Im really glad to see u finally take this topic serious. Is there anything planned to get rid of as many as possible of his fake edits? Deleting unsourced articles about obscure footballers, removing unsourced appearances etc.? Unfortunatley I still find regularly nonsense in random articles, and those info spreads also into other Wikipedia projects... At least a bot-generated list of zombie-created pages should be possible... -- Ureinwohner ( talk) 16:52, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
Just a heads up - according to this news piece, some businessmen from Dubai have purchased a Spanish La Liga team (believed to be Real Zaragoza) and will rename it 'Team Dubai' - so get ready for pagemoves, link fixing, vandalism etc. Cheers, Giant Snowman 17:47, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
Is there any notability guidelines to Lists for club seasons for example List of Nelson F.C. seasons. cheers, – Liam Taylor– 16:34, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
Any reason why it shouldn't be deleted? (I like the picture of the Armenian stadium) Cattivi ( talk) 11:37, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
nice and great image, but " for A international matches, the IFAB has decided to set a fixed size of 105 metres long and 68 metres wide", somebody (I dont now how) should add something like "105 metres for A international matches" with the current or instead of "90-120 m" and "100-130yds". and "68 metres for A international matches" with the current or instead of "90-120 m" and "100-130yds". Maybe texts in 3 colours: black text- obligatory to every games/matchs; Blue text- allowed in not international matches; red text obligatory only in A international matches. (Sorry for my english and hope you don punish me because I did paste this same ideas in 3 diferent places, find a fixer is a hard work sometimes.) Or we can put there a absolut new image, a "better" image is better that "imperfec" current image. -- Feroang ( talk) 01:42, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
Quick question around notability. Would playing in a UEFA qualifying round for a semi-professional Welsh club confer notability? Craig Garside as case in point. Zanoni ( talk) 10:57, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
He plays for Dynamo Dresden II, the reserve team, not the first team. But User:Footfuture keeps editing his page to make him a first-team player. It's arguable that he may be on the fringes of the first-team, and may have a squad number, but I've seen no evidence for this. Even if that't the case, the user is changing his infobox stats from Dynamo II to Dynamo which is simply inaccurate. How do I stop this? ArtVandelay13 ( talk) 14:23, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
As i said in the beginning, we can only hope that these people understand they are being annoying and leave the site for themselves, only that. Warnings? Some ignore the messages, others may never read them because they never notice the "you have a new message" banner. Attentively - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 14:34, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
The articles for the finals of this competition are all labelled in the plural (e.g. 1962 Copa Libertadores Finals), which I guess tries to address the fact that the event is always more than one final. However I'm not sure how well this reflects sources, and the UEFA Cup Finals (from the 2-leg era) are written in the singular (e.g. 1979 UEFA Cup Final). I did a quick Google search and there were significantly more hits in the singular, although the hits for the plural may well be inflated because this is what Wikipedia currently has. Any thoughts? Eldumpo ( talk) 19:46, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
It's ultimately about sources rather than a dictionary definition, although it's debatable as to whether a 2-legged final counts as a "series" of matches. Here are some sources referring to individual finals in the singular [4] [5] [6] [7] Also, a number of the current final articles refer to the competition in the singular in the introduction (e.g. 1995 Copa Libertadores Finals). Eldumpo ( talk) 08:13, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
I need some admin help with some IP insistently removing all sources and cats from FK Radnički Stobex article. I contacted him on his talk page explaining him issues on two languages, but he simply doesn´t care and repeats the edit every time leaving the article (basic already) without sources and cats. Please see the edit history of the article, and if possible a block would be good. FkpCascais ( talk) 19:54, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
Can someone with knolledge on lower leagues English football check this? The entire article was turned upside down. Maybe it´s ok, but... FkpCascais ( talk) 21:35, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
Please could someone help me find a ref for the Honours section because I can't find anything, cheers, – Liam Taylor– 22:16, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
There's a small edit war brewing at the article, regarding its history and foundation date. In a nutshell - the club was formed in 1945 by communist authorities who had disbanded several popular clubs that year as punishment for competing in the fascist championship. For the next 45 years the national football association, the club itself and virtually any source you can find regarded 1945 as its foundation year. In the 1990s communism fell and the club officials began claiming that the club was in fact a successor of the defunct Građanski Zagreb. Things were quiet for some ten years and then about a week ago present-day Dinamo board decided to append the "Građanski" ("Citizens'") adjective to the club's name, they re-launched their website and immediately organized a centennial celebration, probably to match their greatest rivals' Hajduk Split centennial which also falls on 2011. This is when User:Prof. Baltazar showed up and started changing the Dinamo article to conform with the club's view of the day. He is doing his best to merge the articles about Građanski and about Dinamo. I reverted his changes several times, left messages at his talk page and invited him to reach a consensus at Talk:GNK Dinamo Zagreb before making such major edits, but he stubbornly insists on his version of history and supports it with mere politically-minded opinions (with ideas such as "the Football Federation of Yugoslavia is not authoritative to decide whether the clubs year of foundation is 1911 or 1945"). What are we supposed to do here? UEFA.com does not list foundation date at the club's profile, all the club's almanacs published between 1945 and 1990 stick with the year 1945, and there's even a bronze plaque erected by the club in 1975 placed on a building in downtown Zagreb which commemorated the club's 30th anniversary. Ignoring all this is just absurd. Timbouctou ( talk) 16:09, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
As you can see, an editor has proposed speedy deletion for this template - by blanking its page first, and then editing all articles that use this template to use Template:Football in East Germany (created by the same editor) instead. I personally find my self at a loss as to what to do now. The new template seems inferior to me, but I'm just not sure how to contest the speedy deletion bit. Help? Madcynic ( talk) 09:28, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
..........the discussion that apparently led to the decision that teams not in a fully-pro league cannot have their squad listed in their article? See [13] and many other edits by the same editor...... -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 10:37, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
Zanoni's replied on his (and my) talk page, and he makes a valid point about a number of non-league rosters being out of date. It probably wouldn't be the best time to look at this, but perhaps in August (i.e. when the new season starts, and therefore when clubs have their new squads in place), it may be worth having a drive to get as many non-league squad lists up to date as possible. —BETTIA— talk 15:16, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
Template:Debreceni VSC managers lists Lászlo Kiss as the manager of the Hungarian team Debreceni VSC in 1987. Should this be this László Kiss (footballer), or is it just a similarly named person ? - TB ( talk) 09:56, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
Have a look at this teammates (see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ilovebenallen), quite "amusing"...Cheers, have a great week! - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 00:06, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
As we all know, WP articles on persons consist of...well, information on REAL people. Hence, there is a possibility that they come in and edit their articles, nothing more nothing less.
In João Pedro Henriques Neto, apparently the player has come in and proceeded to make some wrong changes in infobox, others correct of course as he would know best. I have notified him about his wrongdoings, but i don't know whether my message will reach him as he has a dynamic IP.
Nonetheless, funny stuff and, since this is the first time i have seen this kind of "interaction" (i once read something in the Spanish version of Oleguer Presas where it appeared that "the man" himself had contributed - to the folks who know their Spanish, have a read here http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discusi%C3%B3n:Oleguer_Presas), i bring this anecdote to the force. Attentively - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 22:49, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
Hi guys, first time editor here - please don't bite :))) I'm looking to add to the Brian McGinlay article but unsure how to proceed as lots of info seems to be suppressed already. Can anyone offer any help as to explain the withdrawal from the 1986 world cup and his 1992 retirement in a wiki-friendly way?
Cheers lads x — Preceding unsigned comment added by WeeWullieMcTavish ( talk • contribs) 23:38, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
Can editors please keep an eye on this player's article? He broke Steve Zakuani's leg in tonight's MLS game between Seattle and Colorado, and now disgruntled Seattle fans are resorting to vandalism to vent their spleens. I've been reverting some of the more egregious changes, but I don't want to get caught out by 3RR. Thanks. JonBroxton ( talk) 06:59, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
As some of you may or may not know, I do a lot of work on Algerian football and a number of Algerian footballers are born in France (the majority of our national team is actually born there). However, all these players are of Algerian descent, with either one or both of their parents being Algerian. Anyways, point I'm getting at, is that the opening line of the player articles read as such (for example): "Kamel Fathi Ghilas (born 9 March 1984) is a French-born Algerian international footballer." Personally, I don't like when it says French-born in the opening line for the simple fact that it seems like the player is not of Algerian descent and simply a naturalized citizen (like some other countries do on a wide scale). Now I know its not technically wrong to say he's French-born and frankly I have nothing against it, its just that the wording looks like it might imply something different .. and I've met a few people who think that our players are actually "ethnically French" (if I can use that term) as opposed to being Algerian born in France. I was just wondering if I'm the only one that sees it that way .. and what other users think. Thanks. TonyStarks ( talk) 06:07, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
Has anyone of you 38-yearish editors (as myself) heard of this guy (see here http://www.foradejogo.net/player.php?player=195806100001)? According to the link, was part of a couple of Premier League squads with Everton and had five seasons (some solid) in my country's Primeira Liga.
Remember him quite well, funny to find he does not have a WP article, SOCCERBASE.COM apparently also does not seem "to care". Attentively logging off - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 22:55, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
Hey folks,
Any bored copyeditors fancy helping out with sorting the formatting of the various Football League season articles? They all pretty much have the same problems:
That just needs chopped and the reference cited normally, either by attaching it to a table or just including it in the references section.The tables below are reproduced here in the exact form that they can be found at the The Rec.Sport.Soccer Statistics Foundation website[1] and in Rothmans Book of Football League Records 1888–89 to 1978–79[2], with home and away statistics separated.
Likewise, that can simply be deleted unless it is directly related to the season in question.Re-election: During the first five seasons of the league, that is, until the season 1893–94, re-election process concerned the clubs which finished in the bottom four of the league. From the 1894–95 season and until the 1920–21 season the re-election process was required of the clubs which finished in the bottom three of the league. From the 1922–23 season on it was required of the bottom two teams of both Third Division North and Third Division South. Since the Fourth Division was established in the 1958–59 season, the re-election process has concerned the bottom four clubs in that division.[3]
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tag following that. This should be deleted.An example of the required changes can be found in this diff. The pages in question can be found in this category. Thanks!
Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 12:38, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
Just to let people know that a discussion on football player noltability has started here [14]. Delusion23 ( talk) 22:36, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
If a player is loaned to a club and he signs permanently, does that take effect immediately or when the transfer market opens? For example, Hameur Bouazza was loaned to Millwall in the Championship from French club AC Arles for 6 months. However, Millwall just signed him on a permanent basis, with the season still running. Does that mean he's still on loan until the end of the season (joining them permanently on July 1) or does that mean he's a Millwall player? The reason I ask is mainly for his stats for the rest of the season (whether they are listed under the loan to Millwall or not). Thanks. TonyStarks ( talk) 05:12, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
How do I rename Category:Hyde United F.C. players to Category:Hyde F.C. players because the club changed their name from Hyde United to Hyde, regards, Liam Taylor 14:05, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
Just a quick question. When you update stats on the infobox should you update pcupdate = with the date you update it on or the date of the last game stats were taken from.20:13, 26 April 2011 (UTC) Warburton1368 ( talk)
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Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) -
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20:18, 26 April 2011 (UTC)Can anybody recommend a spreadsheet that can be downloaded to quickly calculate group tables and team positions?
Ideally, I'd like to be able to add the group's teams, then the spreadsheet would generate a match list based on number of games played and allow me to input scores. The results would then be used to create a group league table with teams in their final positions. TheBigJagielka ( talk) 18:27, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
Is this really necessary? Digirami ( talk) 00:07, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
Can an admin please re-create this article for me? He made his fully pro debut tonight for New England Revolution in the US Open Cup - confirmation is here: [17]. Thanks! JonBroxton ( talk) 04:14, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
There is a discussion about whether the |country =
parameter in the
Template:Infobox football league may link to the sanctioning federation rather than the country. The precedent seems to be country only but the linking to the federation makes imminent sense. The discussion is happening on
Talk:North American Soccer League (2011). There is also a request on the template page to add federation as a separate parameter. Input would be appreciated. --
Walter Görlitz (
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14:21, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
Should players that have announced their retirement from international football be added to the current squad or recent call-ups list. In the Mexico national football team article I've been removing international retired players from the list but some IPs keep adding them back. I even left a hidden message saying to not add retired players but an IP changed the message and said to not remove them. GoPurple 'n Gold24 22:39, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
Hi there. Do end of season play-offs, like the spareggio formerly used as a tie-breaker in Serie A (in 2004–05, for example]] and the post-season promotion play-offs in the Football League count towards league appearances for the purposes of player infoboxes? I'm quite sure it's established one way or the other, but I don't know which way. Thanks. † Omg osh30 † 00:12, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
FYI, someone wants to overwrite Tommy Gemmell (footballer born 1930) wiht user:Truste56/Sandbox2. See user talk:Truste56/Sandbox2
65.94.45.160 ( talk) 04:45, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
A bot request has been filed to change the coding for all 'old' infoboxes, questions & comments appreciated. Giant Snowman 15:06, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
Are we having two bots do the same task? See Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/SporkBot 3 and Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/Petan-Bot task7. SporkBot was requested first, but Petan-Bot was approved first. Strange. Frietjes ( talk) 16:32, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
Another shining example of how football unites people...in VANDALISM!!
FC Barcelona won against Real Madrid, but players on both sides, Sergio Busquets and Pepe, are being treated to a dose of industrial idiocy. And Marcelo did strike the former's face, so he did not feign anything there (unlike the incident with Thiago Motta).
Speaking of SOCCER, no words for Lionel Messi and, on the negative side, no words for José Mourinho and his whining (and i am Portuguese, and not a Barcelona fan, do not support any club). Returning to paragraph#1, like i said, "lovely", i have already requested admin action on both articles.
Attentively - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 14:44, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
In a non-vandalic approach, can someone tell me if i am doing the correct thing?
I spent the last hour improving this player's article (what a strange death man! RIP) and something struck me as illogical: the Slovak League begun in 1993/94, he moved to Real Madrid after 1992/93, so he never competed in the new league, how could have he won the award for Player of the Year in said competition? Like i said, illogical.
If anyone has anything to add to my last edits, especially regarding this contents, please do so. Attentively - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 15:03, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
Are players like Dominik Kaiser, Nicolas Höfler, Jaineil Hoilett, Jürgen Rittenauer or Michael Esser (all of them only played Regionalliga or below so far) notable according to your guidelines? -- Ureinwohner ( talk) 11:36, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
This RFC could affect tens of thousands of player infoboxes, any input appreciated. Giant Snowman 13:26, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
Can anyone explain to me what is the meaning/purpose of this cat (please see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Turkey_A2_international_footballers)? I am at a total loss... -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 13:30, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
He's reportedly the England national football team's first black captain, I know he was born in London but where were his descendants ancestors from? Trinidad? Barbados?
TheBigJagielka (
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13:49, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
Any "old" editors out there? Regarding this player's height, all i can say is that i remember his European Cup exploits, but 25 years is too much to say i know whether he was 1,75 or 1,93 (the former being a short height for a GK, i'll admit it)...
However, all of the available links say he is 1,75 (including one ROMANIAN!) and the height keeps being changed, without one word in summary and i am getting a little fed up. I remember someone telling me in the past something about VERIFIABILITY, meaning we should go with the sources available, when it's all that we have.
Please, don't just reference the 1,75 with the links, that solves nothing, the (possible) vandals, most of them anon - but i have just sent a message to User:Narcis90, who was also "kind" enough to "offer" Duckadam a goal for Steaua in his box! - will continue to do their deed whether the height is ref'd or not. Attentively - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 15:34, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
Also tried to find refs for his supposed run-in with The Man, popular belief has it to be true, he had his hands broken shortly after the EC Final, rather than the "blood disorder" which appears in the text (or maybe both?). It was once inserted here, but i removed it (2 years ago maybe) on the grounds it was not sourced and it was a rather "hot" topic. Now, all i can find in the web are texts which probably stem from what once "existed" in the wiki-fields... - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 17:17, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
What are people's views on this list of teams that missed out on playing in Europe because of the ban on English clubs. For 1985-86 it's fair enough as those teams were all set to compete, but after that it's a bit more arbitrary to me as the ban was in place and known about. What did UEFA do about the coefficients during the ban. Was England included in the coefficient list during the ban? It basically seems to be an assumption based on if English teams performance had continued at the same level as it had up to the ban, and I think at the very least, qualifying statements should be added to the text. Any thoughts? Eldumpo ( talk) 12:45, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the responses/action. The reason I came across this issue is season articles such as this [18] and this [19], which include the spurious information as notes and highlights. Eldumpo ( talk) 12:41, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
From time to time I found some infoboxes literaly squeezed... I allwys wandered who was loosing time doing that to our poor infoboxes, but I found the "guilty one"!: User:Nameless User. I found him trough this and this edits... I supose he has some bite-to-bite price for internet, so getting the articles down to less possible bites saves him money... Or, is it something else? FkpCascais ( talk) 08:43, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
FYI, I had filed a request here, but appears another bot was fast-tracked and approved before me, although I did file first. In any event, I am still seeking approval, since the category may fill up again in the future due to inadvertent reversions, intermingled vandalism, cut-and-paste from other wikis, etc. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 20:46, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
Some IP is insistently making troubles in this article. What to do? FkpCascais ( talk) 21:11, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
you haven't this article and this other :).. both the players had italian father and english mother.. 93.56.58.72 ( talk) 09:17, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
User:Myrmecophagous has removed, in Gerard Deulofeu, a bit (which i did not insert in the first place, i only improved its display) where interest from Premier League teams occurred, the bit being REFERENCED.
My doubt is: why should it not be mentioned if it's ref'd? It adds to the player's career, and it's not POVish or WEASELish methinks. The user mentioned above (which i have notified about the discussion), when removing went as far as to call it NONSENSE, and also removed my previous message to him summarily from his talkpage, without one word of feedback..."Great" teamwork.
In a similar case, i think the Everton affair with João Moutinho (which amounts to several lines in his article and 3 or 4 refs), and the transfer finally did not happen. Before an edit war arises, inputs please.
Attentively - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 19:59, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
I found these template brackets that I think I've seen used at the 2006 FIFA World Cup for a brief moment in the past (and if I remember correctly, they were turned down).
I've checked their "what links here" for each template and they aren't being used. Do they serve a purpose? Can they be proposed for deletion? -- MicroX ( talk) 02:04, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
[20] -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 17:42, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
Have a look at this one that was obviously copied from the Spanish wiki. Digirami ( talk) 20:15, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
Has Chris Sharpe (ex Blackburn, Southampton, Chesterfield, B1909 Odense, Viborg FF, Køge Boldklub, Colorado Rapids [22]) ever played in a fully professional league? Hack ( talk) 03:22, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
Vandalism has been afoot in Pepe's page. This not being vandalism, i would like to hear the force's opinion regarding this edit's validity (please see here http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Pepe_(footballer_born_1983)&diff=427003055&oldid=426917950):
1 - a YouTube video, nothing more needs to be said, except this: a YouTube video that prior to Pepe's challenge, shows a Sergio Busquets tackle on Xabi Alonso, for "comparison" purposes; 2 - a Real Madrid press release (do you think the Real Madrid's website has ever chosen sides in their lives?!).
I think with the info available ("Pepe played as defensive midfielder", "he was sent off for a challenge on X against Barcelona") is more than enough, no POV, just the facts. If we get a source surrounding the fairness of his dismissal, it has to be an independent one.
Attentively - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 15:45, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
Would anybody object if I changed the Zaire 1974 FIFA World Cup squad players to show their names in the correct (English) order? Many of them are listed as Surname Firstname (the format frequently used by French sources). See fifa.com TheBigJagielka ( talk) 19:34, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
He played in the first years of the italian championship, coming from Newcastle, the problem is we ignore when he was exactly born and died; do you have books where there are informations? 93.56.60.139 ( talk) 08:08, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
Hmm 10-20 years ago maybe. I know their Dutch contributor, he hasn't worked for them in ages. Diment isn't really a Scottish name. There are 5 Diments in the 1891 Scottish Census: George, Margaret (parents?) John Archibald and George. The search for Diments living in Newcastle in 1901 gives very similar results. George, Margaret, John, Archibald +Thomas and Robert (born after 1891) This could mean he (John or 'Jack' ) was born in Devon ca.1886 (If this doesn't violate OR....) Cattivi ( talk) 01:36, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
Someone recently edited {{ Football League Championship Venues}} and the ones for League One and Two to add all former stadiums to host football at this level. I reverted on the basis that there is simply no need for it, and we'd end up with many, many grounds on each one if it was actually backdated all the way to the Football League's establishment. However, it was reverted back by the editor in question with the argument that the same exists on the Premier League template. The question is, should it also be removed from that template?
This is also a more general question - I've seen a trend recently for adding all former clubs to have played at a level to the current season template (see {{ Football League Championship}}) - is this something others are ok with? Personally I find it rather pointless, and believe it only serves to inflate templates. Number 5 7 08:19, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
I've added FC Barcelona to the infobox of Sergi Roberto. He's played in a couple of Cup and Europe games this season for Barcelona, just not in La Liga yet. Am I right in including FC Barcelona in his infobox, as there seems to be an issue with an IP user who keeps removing it? -- Jimbo [online] 16:31, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
Can an admin please undelete the Andy Rafferty article as he now meets WP:NFOOTY, thank you (sources [24] & [25]) Kingjamie ( talk) 08:42, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
Got a minor problem here. The page says Abdul Thompson Conteh played college soccer at the University of the District of Columbia, but you look here, it says he played for the University of Washington aka Washington Huskies. Are there any other links to confirm where he played. – Michael ( talk) 21:28, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
From what i see, the link for Ligue 1 and Ligue 2 player stats page at Ligue de Football Professionel operates simply by inserting the player's name, nothing else, with the "LFP" prefix.
I tried and tried with this Nigerian chap, to no avail. Of course i could have just copied the external link of the player, but i think it's best to keep it coherent and go with the template. Can someone assist me? I know that, in the past, User:Rich Farmbrough has fixed several of those, brother can you hear me?!
Attentively - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 22:43, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
Can someone help me add the football kits to the 2011 Algerian Cup Final ? I tried putting it in for the "home" team like I usually do but for some reason it just comes out white. I've looked over the code a few times and I don't see anything wrong. Also, I didn't bother doing the away team because I don't know enough about how the kits work. If someone can take a crack at it. For the home team (USM El Harrach), its just yellow shirts, black shorts and yellow socks. For the away team (JS Kabylie), its green socks, white shorts and horizontal green and white jersey ( here's a pic). If someone can do this for me I'd really appreciate it! TonyStarks ( talk) 06:33, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
Is Raheem Sterling of Liverpool notable ? He has zero senior team appearances in all competitions or does he qualify under "notable coverage" .. ? TonyStarks ( talk) 13:52, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
Now that this site has been taken over by Racing Post, can it still be considered as a reliable and suitable source? -- Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 04:50, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
Soccerbase is designed to promote gambling. Its entire function is to tempt people to take a bet. On Ashley Cole's web page with Soccerbase, I am offered a 25 pound free bet as a new customer. "BET NOW" flashes every 10 seconds. But that's not all. If I'm an old customer, there's a link to Ladbrokes so that I can deposit and withdraw money, and if I don't have an account with this organisation, a link is provided to enable me to open such an account. Below that is another link to enable to me to bet every day of the year! Four games are presented to tempt me. "BET NOW!' screams a sign in the bottom right hand corner. Below that, Billy Bunter, tempts me to lay a bet while there is time and further down there is more betting news, designed to get me to wager my money.
Now that's all very nice - especially for Soccerbet - and I am sure that they do very nicely, thank you very much, from the links that Wikipedia so generously provides them. However, there is the small matter of Wikipedia policy. It advises us to avoid links to individual web pages that primarily exist to sell products or services, or to web pages with objectionable amounts of advertising. And that, of course, is exactly what Soccerbase exists for. All the statistics are simply bait to tempt you to bet, now, Now, NOW!
On the strength of this evidence I think I would be entitled to propose a purge of Soccerbase from Wikipedia.
(de-indent)While the recent changes to Soccerbase are to its detriment, it remains the best site for statistics for currently active players in England and Scotland. All the major statistics sites have their limitations, but Soccerbase is often the most comprehensive. To take the Ashley Cole example from the parallel discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football/Players#Is_a_betting_website_appropriate_in_the_template_as_a_link_for_Wikipedia_articles.3F, the BBC website has a number of limitations. It only names a player's current club, so the BBC link could only be used to verify his appearances for Chelsea, not Arsenal or Crystal Palace. It also lacks the season by season breakdown. As others have pointed out, it only covers players from the top division. Player profiles disappear as soon as a player moves to another league or retires. I would love to be able to suggest an alternative of equal comprehensiveness (not least because there are errors, omissions and idiosyncracies in Soccerbase), but sadly there isn't one. In terms of print sources, we have the annual Sky Sports (formerly Rothmans) Yearbook and Hugman's PFA Footballers' Who's Who, but these of course have the problem of becoming out of date almost as soon as they are published. A Soccerbase purge would be detrimental to the encyclopedia. Oldelpaso ( talk) 16:42, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
Personally I have very little time for Soccerbase. There are mistakes, and unfortunately numerous enough that I don't trust any of the information that's there. Off the top of my head, there are two if not three entries to Claus Bech Jorgensen, there is more than one Alex Rhodes to the extent the wrong one joins the wrong club, various managerial statistics are wrong for recent Bradford City managers and Bradford's 98-99 season statistics don't tally. That's just the statistics for one club off the top of my head. Add to that, historic managerial statistics are incorrect or at best incomplete, old cup competitions are incomplete and play-off data is sometimes but not always added to league data. Yes, Soccerbase is handy, but all the data needs some additional verification. Brad78 ( talk) 23:26, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
I agree that since the site was revamped, the advertising has become intrusive. However, most uses of Soccerbase on here aren't just as a "link". It often appears in the external links section, but that's because people don't necessarily see the difference between putting it there and putting it in a references section. It's generally used as the WP:RS for players' appearances and goals, and "purging" it would leave thousands (literally) of footballer articles with their career stats unsourced. cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 07:39, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
I've long felt that if we were to pull our fingers out, come to an agreement on where Soccerbase is lacking, and formulate an official list of things we want, we would be in a position to tell Soccerbase what we require from the site in order to keep using it. After all, we are a massive driver of traffic towards their site, which unquestionably translates into significant revenue. If we, from a unified and public position, were to say "do this, or our community of editors will start using this alternative site", they would be mad not to take us seriously. — W F C— 16:11, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
Association football seems to me to be a grossly overlinked term. In most articles about footballers' bios, football clubs or tournaments, is usually abundantly clear from the context what football we are referring to; there are usually other links and pointers to specific events, places, teams, trophies that would seem to me to obviate the need to link to the generic term 'Association football'. All other variants of football I know of are referred to with qualifiers (e.g. Gaelic football, rugby football, Aussie rules football, American football) so 'football' does not need dabbing and can be taken as read per WP:ENGVAR. I am wondering if we can do away with such a non-specific link for articles across the project? What concerns do the assembled editors have, and what exceptions do they wish to see with regards to unlinking instances such as [[Association football]], [[Association football|football]], [[Association football|soccer]] or [[Association football]]er in articles across the project? -- Ohconfucius ¡digame! 02:35, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
'''Yaovi Aziabou''' (born September 11, 1990 in [[Lomé]]) is a [[Togo]]lese [[association football|football]] [[Defender (association football)|defender]].
[Association] football is the most popular sport on the planet; everywhere except in the USA is this game referred to as 'football' with no qualifier or disambiguation. The cascade of links in said article a breach of the manual of style, and I don't see much value/utility in linking
football
when it is abundant from context and links all around it in the article what sort of football we are talking about. There is already the adjacent link '[[Defender (association football)|defender]]'. If that were not enough, we have in the sentence that follows: "He currently plays for [[Tarbes Pyrénées Football|Tarbes]] in the [[Championnat de France amateur 2|French CFA 2]]". Would it not be more meaningful if we were to pipe to do without the link (as in "Yaovi Aziabou (born September 11, 1990 in
Lomé) is a
Togolese football
defender
"), or alternatively pipe to 'defender' as [[Defender (association football)|association football defender]] as in "Yaovi Aziabou (born September 11, 1990 in
Lomé) is a
association football defender from
Togo
"? --
Ohconfucius
¡digame!
06:16, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
Would it not be quicker for all concerned if the actual template used for player info provided a link to the relevant sport? That way we wouldn't have to type it individually for every player that doesn't have his profession linked? One updated template vs many updated articles seems more efficient. Koncorde ( talk) 10:27, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
I have updated 2011 Football League play-offs after today's end-of-season matches. Feel free to add some background on the season (with references) before the play-offs start. 03 md 16:26, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
Should have i reverted this (see here http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Manuel_Agudo_Dur%C3%A1n&diff=427303530&oldid=425060960)? I mean, the user, who has been repeatedly warned about his ways and has several of his creations up for a big ole' "AfD", only wrote one of the most poetic approaches i have ever read here ("and caught the attention of European luminaries such as Benfica Lisbon..."), mixing past and present, speculating ("Simply put, there are few players who could command a place in the current Barcelona team, and Nolito will find it extremely difficult to make it past the bench with the quality currently present at the club."), the lot...
He also took it upon himself to remove the references in storyline, with JUST the facts (goals scored, debut with first team - i guess an hat-trick against CD Tenerife, ref'd (!!), is not noteworthy), much better writing approach would be a "Nolito is characterised by fantastic movement, thanks to his impressive agility, quickness, acceleration and pace. In terms of dribbling, he can be compared to Barcelona star Andres Iniesta, as he loses very little speed with the ball at his feet.", or a "Nolito would be an excellent addition to any team in terms of mentality and determination. He is a team player and is professional both on and off the pitch.", and don't forget he "is...a FAMILY MAN".
All in all, i hope i did well to undo User:Blgeoverlord, and that the force has no objections to my action. I will keep a close eye on this! - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 02:07, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
Is he notable anyway? And besides, i cant find info on him being FC Keirat player, eg soccerway doesn't list him. All google turns out is his kick video. Maybe someone messed the name up and everybody followed. - Koppapa ( talk) 07:27, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
Redirected because he is notable for the kicking incident. Mention in the club article is enough.
I mostly agree with professional footballers being notable, however given the way football is structured globally by this requirement it prevents many top league footballers in countries like Kazakhstan having articles yet permitting 4th league players in anglo countries to have articles because their football infrastructure and wealth is greater. I think this gives a major bias in coverage. I would make a slight change to rule which makes any player who has made a first team appearance in the top football division of any country notable. I think any footballer who has made a senior appearance in a top division game for any country should be notable, even if the club is not fully professional. There are economic and indeed political reasons why the top clubs in many countries are not fully professional, I think such a rule demonstrates a major bias towards anglo countries who are wealthier and have a greater football infrastructure and base. Constant Matoingue should be notable.. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:27, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
A small point: there's nothing in the notability criteria, general or subject-specific, to suggest that significant coverage has to be in English-language media. cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 15:26, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
I have found one user making a series of edits where he includes medaltemplates in infoboxes for runers-up positions in Cups, and so. See here or here which were just exemples I had on my watchlist. Is that OK? FkpCascais ( talk) 17:08, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
|medaltemplates=
parameter for a reason...
Giant
Snowman
17:32, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
But I touth medaltemplates in infoboxes was for Olympics and major NT tournaments (World Cups and Euro´s and correspondents), and not for domestic cups, meaning, specially not for runners-up domestic cup situations... But, I understand it (it is a silver after all), anyway, the fact is that we haven´t been using it (see Michael Owen for exemple) and this opens a pandora box for a entire new field now, and much work to do to complete it for every player, for every cup, for every competition... FkpCascais ( talk) 19:27, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
Said article just popped up on my categories content watchlist. Any comment would be appreciated. -- Soccer-holic I hear voices in my head... 09:00, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
I have removed some stuff in the past regarding this field in infobox, and would like to discuss: 1 - have i been doing it right; 2 - different approach techniques.
What is the limit for what we insert in the infobox in this field? I feel it should only contain current club as a coach or player, nothing else. If i have been (am) wrong, my apologies for undue removal of contents.
Some insert everything in current club - president, goalkeeper coach, director of football, under-21 coordinator, honorary chairman, everything. I think if we made an article about a club president who had never played, or a youth coordinator, the person in question would not even have an infobox, hence me insisting the "current club" should only be for players and/or managers. The rest should be referred to in storyline, methinks.
Attentively - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 15:01, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
Current club Template F.C.
Number First-team coach
Hopefully someone can correct me but I think that the specific links to specific season tables (for instance) are now all shot to pieces since Soccerbase underwent their make-under. Anyone know how to link to a specific table for a specific season? The Rambling Man ( talk) 16:07, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
As the season draws to an end, clubs are announcing players that will be released when their contracts end at the end of June. However, IPs take this to mean "released immediately" and are removing them from the 'Current squad' lists. One such example is Bradford City A.F.C., where I have already reached my 3RR limit. Can an admin please revert the latest IP's edits? Cheers, Giant Snowman 18:01, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
Most clubs do not provide as much clarity as Bradford on the precise moment that the player's contract expires. 30 June is the "default" end date, because the transfer window opens on 1 July. But it's not uncommon for a player's contract to expire earlier. It often depends on whether the player or the club had the upper hand during the contract negotiation. — W F C— 19:10, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
What I did last season was mark the "released" players in the squad list with a dagger symbol and put a note below the squad list saying "Players marked † will leave the club when their contracts expire on 30 June 2010" with a reference. There were still some instances of players being removed prematurely, but it seemed to work well enough. Probably helped that the reference did say explicitly they were leaving on 30 June, not just that they were being released..... cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 06:47, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
Am i correct? And of course, many many newbies only seeking their 15 minutes of wiki-fame could not care less what is being discussed here, they'll keep adding their stuff until the cows come home... - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 15:00, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
Is there a good reason why this tournament should appear on Wikipedia with its Romanian name and not with an English one (Romanian Cup, Cup of Romania or anything else)? As far as I can tell, articles about cup competitions are generally entitled by the model "<country> Cup", e.g. Bulgarian Cup. -- Theurgist ( talk) 10:05, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
He's back again [ [26]] [27] Cattivi ( talk) 12:09, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
Hi, can someone help with the format of the league table that has gone awry. I'm not sure if it's to do with the 'head to head' entries which were added but have not been updated to reflect current ties. The edit that caused the problem appears to be this one. Thanks. Eldumpo ( talk) 16:11, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
Do many people have experience with this website? I was doing some research on one of my club's old players, who also played for Woolwich Arsenal, and stumbled upon it. Albeit cumbersome to navigate, it contains a whole host of information which appears to be well researched. I don't have Arsenal versions of the books that are in my possession, so I'm thinking of using it as a source to flesh out the career of this fellow. Worth adding to the link collection? Argyle 4 Life talk 19:08, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
I would like to understand the logic behind this: Panathinaikos FC was named as such when i first started editing, remember it well.
Then, it was moved to Panathinaikos F.C., and now, it's been renamed again without the dots. I know that redirects are not dangerous or vandalism or anything, but can anyone enlighten on the validation of these actions? A bit puzzling to me...
Attentively - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 23:44, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
Of course, the Bulgarian club i now mentioned and similar are the ones we should remove the (needless) initials from (i.e. only CHERNOMORETS BURGAS, for instance Gimnàstic de Tarragona is not the club's full name, but it's how it is named (duly!) in WP), not from the Spanish clubs (and akin) i mentioned later of course :) - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 13:16, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
After i alerted "the force" at this "user"'s behaviour at Manuel Agudo Durán, i see his M.O. is not new (did it in several articles): he removes the CLUB CAREER/INTERNATIONAL CAREER sections, with references included (!!), and replaces those with the following: 1 - BACKGROUND; 2 - STRENGTHS; 3 - WEAKNESSES; 4 - MENTALITY; 5 - CURRENT SITUATION. Not one single wikilink is provided in his words, not one reference, no nothing, and each section (each section? each sentence!!) is filled with POV/WEASEL/poetic rubbish to the brim.
Enough is enough, i am going to report him to an administrator. Furthermore, he has been warned several times. In André Senghor, he wrote his "stuff" again after being reverted.
Attentively - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 03:24, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
Your opinions will be appreciated in the following discussion: Wikipedia:Templates for discussion#Template:Round8-with third-waiting -- MicroX ( talk) 05:03, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
Rumours on Twitter and Facebook, that Capello has resigned/sacked. There are no other sources yet, so his page either needs patrolling or protecting, to a small but steady stream of edits. Brad78 ( talk) 22:55, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
Annibale Frossi's and Attila Sallustro's articles gained the silver star, if you need help to update those articles here on en.wikipedia ;).. 93.56.51.83 ( talk) 07:04, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
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I am currently trying to bring Tow Law Town A.F.C. to GA and one of the issues that has come up is squad numbering in the current squad section. I was wondering if anyone could give me any help or sources to resolve the issue. Fintan264 ( talk) 19:26, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
Has this article actually been through the Good Article Review process because I cant seem to find anywhere where it has. Besides it barely meets the criteria anyway. – Liam Taylor– 12:57, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
Can an admin please re-create this article? He made his professional debut today, as per http://uslpro.uslsoccer.com/scripts/runisa.dll?M2:gp::72013+Elements/Display+E+47107+Stats/+2175582. Thanks JonBroxton ( talk) 05:28, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
How can this image have valid fair use rationales for each individual Manchester City season going back to 2000-01? Surely its use on those articles would be purely decorative, making the fair use rationales invalid? – Pee Jay 13:48, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
I'm more concerned about the data on the number of times that Man City have worn their different kits, including stats on the goalie's kit too, for 2010-11. Overkill, surely? Ilikeeatingwaffles ( talk) 14:52, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
Can somebody expand upon this section please? I'm unable to find much more information.
Who has presided over the Football League since 1988, when did the FL decide to adopt Chairmen instead of presidents? TheBigJagielka ( talk) 14:39, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
On the formation page (association football) the MM formation is mistakenly termed as a WW. This is confusing because the formation is a 3-2-3-2, and even says so in the article. By this logic, the notorious WM formation (a 3-2-2-3) would be referred to as a MW, which is certainly not correct. The actual article is accurate for the most part (though I'm not comfortable with the view that Bukovi turned the WM "upside down"), but the MM title is much truer and credible. Bronaldinho ( talk) 18:13, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
His article says that he is of Somali descent and is of Black African descent. I'm pretty sure both are not true and anyways, they're unreferenced. Can anyone confirm? TonyStarks ( talk) 07:39, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
So we have Jordan Clarke (footballer) and Jordan Clarke (footballer born 1991), I can't think of a decent way to seperate them other than position (defender/striker) - but even that isn't ideal, for obvious reasons. Help appreciated! Giant Snowman 01:02, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
Hi, I did adeed top mexican, argentinian and brazilian nationals leagues list to that table, maybe somebody can add another one base on IFFS: Strongest National League in the World, also my english suck, and I hope this talk page of this wikiproject is the right place to say that, sorry if I broke some rule-- Feroang ( talk) 04:20, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
The {{Fb_rbr_position}} ("Round-by-round position") template produces a "red/pink" background for 15th & 16th places. See here for an example. See also the current season for Southampton ( here) where 5th places and upwards are shown in various shades of green/blue, although the equivalent for QPR ( here) gives second place in silver, as expected. I can't see why the problem is arising - can someone fix it? Thanks. -- Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 04:32, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
Hello project. This just popped up on my watchlist earlier today, where it was considered that actual league names be removed and replaced with "Second tier of English football" (etc) pipelinked back to the actual league. Of course, this may be a good idea but I wondered what we thought on a project level because we really ought to be consistent throughout all of our project's English league articles. The Rambling Man ( talk) 16:13, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
If I'm referring to a league generally, say within a player article, I would normally just list the name of the league direct. If I'm doing a list of club honours I have sometimes just put the tier in (e.g. [1]) although other times I have put in brackets after the seasons the name of the league at the time [2] - perhaps the latter is better for clarity. Eldumpo ( talk) 08:20, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
Can anybody suggest some categories for this article? I am unsure whether the article title is the most suitable. TheBigJagielka ( talk) 11:57, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
It occurred to me looking at Tottenham Hotspur F.C. that we seem to have allowed for extremely detailed kit mockups to be added to some Premier League articles. Looking at Template talk:Football kit/doc, it looks like this occurred around August last year (indeed I've actually commented on that discussion, though I don't remember seeing the part about allowing for more detailed kits). Was there a bigger discussion about this? Is it something that people are generally aware of? Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 19:32, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
He will make his 1000th appearance on Saturday according to the BBC, yet our (sourced) total is in the 920s. Could someone else have a look at this to see where our table is incorrect? Thanks. The only things I could think of were either Football League Trophy appearances when he was in the lower leagues, or if the 1000 figure includes his 40 Scotland international caps. Jmorrison230582 ( talk) 17:06, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
Anyone have any idea what the consensus is for the cut off point for clubs having a separate article for their history like "History of Template F.C."? Is it just a case of if the team is notable and the article is well referenced? Thanks. Delusion23 ( talk) 10:11, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
Can an admin please re-create the article for Connor Tobin. He made his professional debut today as per http://uslpro.uslsoccer.com/stats/2011/2175586.html. Thank you! JonBroxton ( talk) 03:27, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
I know Argyle 4 Life has recently made the page History of Plymouth Argyle F.C. but there is no history section left on the main Plymouth Argyle page. I thought if you made a History article for a club you would take the bulk of the info, not the whole lot. Could someone explain.... – Liam Taylor– 09:30, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
Hello. I'm trying to learn to write entries for the World Cup football on Wikipedia. I have already created some items, as you can see in my contributions, but my style is not perfect. I wanted to ask, where can I improve my style and how do I add information to the biography of players when they are many, many years ago where there are very few information on the web Alexxander3000 ( talk) 18:46, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
JonBroxton and I are having a slight petty edit war over whether to include POBs in the brackets (i.e. (born 1 January 1900 in London) or not. Please join in the discussion at Talk:Bryan Arguez#Place of birth in brackets in lede so we can get some consensus. Regards, Giant Snowman 12:17, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
Take a look at this season's articles. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Liberian_Premier_League_seasons . Every single one of them just lists number of teams and champion. - Koppapa ( talk) 21:45, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
Why do we include only domestic league matches in infobox? In my opinion it would be better to include matches in all official competitions (as in career statistics section). TheBiggestFootballFan ( talk) 22:11, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
Apologies if this has been covered but I haven't been around much for a long while. The following is one example of many. 1960–61 Football League First Division contains no additional information than what is available in the parent article 1960–61 Football League and is essentially a content fork. Are there any objections in such cases to me creating a redirect back to the parent article? Of course, if the parent article gets too large, then we can split/summarise accordingly. Thanks. -- Jameboy ( talk) 00:14, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
The "user" i mention in the message title has been thoroughly discussed and "acted upon", but very little has been said about User:Pararubbas (at least EVERY time i bring him up here, he's a football vandal, 60+ socks!!), beats me why...
Well, you teammates better want to keep your eye on this "user", from Norway: he also "contributes" solely (at least from what i know) with anon addresses, i have reported the last one (please see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/88.88.13.239) to an administrator, who has issued another warning.
What does this "user" do? As seen for instance in Santi Cazorla, Joan Capdevila and Raúl Tamudo, he does not seem to like B teams in box, those go out because he says so! Also, if he "spots" any national team he finds "odd" (U-21, U-23, etc), he removes those as well. What a vandal!! Attentively, you have been briefed - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 17:05, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
Hi Project. Not overly keen on these pages, seem to display an overwhelming level of recentism, but can you all have a look at this one and tell me if I'm going bonkers. Entries like 5 Feb, 19 March, 2, 9 and 16 April contain way too much info. I thought these were supposed to be the "major events" in English football throughout the season. Anyone agree we should crop it back a bit? The Rambling Man ( talk) 18:00, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
Hi there teammates, i am back from the dead (24-hr block, fair in light of WP guidelines), here's this:
User 98.229.166.205 (see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:98.229.166.205) still continues to NOT ALLOW us to write final years for Portuguese players' international careers, he feels every single one of them needs to hold a press conference and say so, aside of all the logic attached. How many people think Nuno Gomes will never play with the national team again raise your hand (this season, the 35-year old appeared in FIVE league games for Benfica, not sure if he totalled 50 minutes)...Portugal manager Paulo Bento, according to this user, has stated he counts on Gomes for the future, that's diplomacy from where i come from, nothing else...However, this user has angrily reverted stuff when people have inserted a final year in the infobox, i have just been blocked for the first time, cannot say i appreciated the experience much (but i repeat the block was deserved), if this situation escalates, i know who will be on the losing end, i'll leave it be, hurray for incomplete info!
This brings me to a related item, also courtesy of same user (by the way, i have notified the user on both discussions i have raised here - this being the second - and messaged him several times, he says "talk to the hand", nothing besides edit summaries, which are growing in anger): he also adds national team years whenever a player is called, even if he does not make debut (i know a similar discussion was raised in the past, the one referring to players who had never been capped, only called up).
See for instance Hugo Ventura Ferreira Moura Guedes: was called for two friendlies in 2011, as third-goalkeeper (finally did not sit on the bench on either occasion!) but the anon user writes "2011-" in box nonetheless. Given the competition for the goalie position in my country ( Eduardo Carvalho (28 years), Rui Patrício (23) and Beto (28)), what if Ventura only makes international debut - if he makes it - in 2016? Should his box read "2011-" or "2016-"?
Attentively, great to be back - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 14:51, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
I thought I read on here that we don't create templates for youth national teams in international competitions. However, I noticed that a user (who tends to know his stuff) created some for the 2011 African Youth Championship (templates are at Category:2011 African Youth Championship squad templates). So are these OK ? TonyStarks ( talk) 04:45, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
Arminia Bielefeld have been deducted three points for using a league club guarantee fund. Because of the penalty, they have been relegated from the 2010–11 2. Fußball-Bundesliga. Could anyone update the season article? I can't work out the codes in the league table. 83.84.195.88 ( talk) 12:21, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
It seems that we have another anonymous football fan. Some of the edits seem OK. Other are pure vandalism such as removing 2002 FIFA World Cup from the succession boxes of the world cup articles before and after it. If someone with a bit more experience could verify Special:Contributions/79.108.0.125, that would be greatly appreciated. -- Walter Görlitz ( talk) 17:36, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
Wonder if someone with a bit more experience would have a look at Kenny Shiels the article is a total mess.17:48, 19 April 2011 (UTC) Warburton1368 ( talk)
Hey everyone. I found this. Check out IP´s contribs. Definitely Zombie. FkpCascais ( talk) 19:14, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
Is this him as well? I think I remember unsourced squads of national teams that haven't played for some years, in a non-standard format, was part of his modus operandi. Kevin McE ( talk) 17:27, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
Hi guys. Im really glad to see u finally take this topic serious. Is there anything planned to get rid of as many as possible of his fake edits? Deleting unsourced articles about obscure footballers, removing unsourced appearances etc.? Unfortunatley I still find regularly nonsense in random articles, and those info spreads also into other Wikipedia projects... At least a bot-generated list of zombie-created pages should be possible... -- Ureinwohner ( talk) 16:52, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
Just a heads up - according to this news piece, some businessmen from Dubai have purchased a Spanish La Liga team (believed to be Real Zaragoza) and will rename it 'Team Dubai' - so get ready for pagemoves, link fixing, vandalism etc. Cheers, Giant Snowman 17:47, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
Is there any notability guidelines to Lists for club seasons for example List of Nelson F.C. seasons. cheers, – Liam Taylor– 16:34, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
Any reason why it shouldn't be deleted? (I like the picture of the Armenian stadium) Cattivi ( talk) 11:37, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
nice and great image, but " for A international matches, the IFAB has decided to set a fixed size of 105 metres long and 68 metres wide", somebody (I dont now how) should add something like "105 metres for A international matches" with the current or instead of "90-120 m" and "100-130yds". and "68 metres for A international matches" with the current or instead of "90-120 m" and "100-130yds". Maybe texts in 3 colours: black text- obligatory to every games/matchs; Blue text- allowed in not international matches; red text obligatory only in A international matches. (Sorry for my english and hope you don punish me because I did paste this same ideas in 3 diferent places, find a fixer is a hard work sometimes.) Or we can put there a absolut new image, a "better" image is better that "imperfec" current image. -- Feroang ( talk) 01:42, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
Quick question around notability. Would playing in a UEFA qualifying round for a semi-professional Welsh club confer notability? Craig Garside as case in point. Zanoni ( talk) 10:57, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
He plays for Dynamo Dresden II, the reserve team, not the first team. But User:Footfuture keeps editing his page to make him a first-team player. It's arguable that he may be on the fringes of the first-team, and may have a squad number, but I've seen no evidence for this. Even if that't the case, the user is changing his infobox stats from Dynamo II to Dynamo which is simply inaccurate. How do I stop this? ArtVandelay13 ( talk) 14:23, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
As i said in the beginning, we can only hope that these people understand they are being annoying and leave the site for themselves, only that. Warnings? Some ignore the messages, others may never read them because they never notice the "you have a new message" banner. Attentively - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 14:34, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
The articles for the finals of this competition are all labelled in the plural (e.g. 1962 Copa Libertadores Finals), which I guess tries to address the fact that the event is always more than one final. However I'm not sure how well this reflects sources, and the UEFA Cup Finals (from the 2-leg era) are written in the singular (e.g. 1979 UEFA Cup Final). I did a quick Google search and there were significantly more hits in the singular, although the hits for the plural may well be inflated because this is what Wikipedia currently has. Any thoughts? Eldumpo ( talk) 19:46, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
It's ultimately about sources rather than a dictionary definition, although it's debatable as to whether a 2-legged final counts as a "series" of matches. Here are some sources referring to individual finals in the singular [4] [5] [6] [7] Also, a number of the current final articles refer to the competition in the singular in the introduction (e.g. 1995 Copa Libertadores Finals). Eldumpo ( talk) 08:13, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
I need some admin help with some IP insistently removing all sources and cats from FK Radnički Stobex article. I contacted him on his talk page explaining him issues on two languages, but he simply doesn´t care and repeats the edit every time leaving the article (basic already) without sources and cats. Please see the edit history of the article, and if possible a block would be good. FkpCascais ( talk) 19:54, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
Can someone with knolledge on lower leagues English football check this? The entire article was turned upside down. Maybe it´s ok, but... FkpCascais ( talk) 21:35, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
Please could someone help me find a ref for the Honours section because I can't find anything, cheers, – Liam Taylor– 22:16, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
There's a small edit war brewing at the article, regarding its history and foundation date. In a nutshell - the club was formed in 1945 by communist authorities who had disbanded several popular clubs that year as punishment for competing in the fascist championship. For the next 45 years the national football association, the club itself and virtually any source you can find regarded 1945 as its foundation year. In the 1990s communism fell and the club officials began claiming that the club was in fact a successor of the defunct Građanski Zagreb. Things were quiet for some ten years and then about a week ago present-day Dinamo board decided to append the "Građanski" ("Citizens'") adjective to the club's name, they re-launched their website and immediately organized a centennial celebration, probably to match their greatest rivals' Hajduk Split centennial which also falls on 2011. This is when User:Prof. Baltazar showed up and started changing the Dinamo article to conform with the club's view of the day. He is doing his best to merge the articles about Građanski and about Dinamo. I reverted his changes several times, left messages at his talk page and invited him to reach a consensus at Talk:GNK Dinamo Zagreb before making such major edits, but he stubbornly insists on his version of history and supports it with mere politically-minded opinions (with ideas such as "the Football Federation of Yugoslavia is not authoritative to decide whether the clubs year of foundation is 1911 or 1945"). What are we supposed to do here? UEFA.com does not list foundation date at the club's profile, all the club's almanacs published between 1945 and 1990 stick with the year 1945, and there's even a bronze plaque erected by the club in 1975 placed on a building in downtown Zagreb which commemorated the club's 30th anniversary. Ignoring all this is just absurd. Timbouctou ( talk) 16:09, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
As you can see, an editor has proposed speedy deletion for this template - by blanking its page first, and then editing all articles that use this template to use Template:Football in East Germany (created by the same editor) instead. I personally find my self at a loss as to what to do now. The new template seems inferior to me, but I'm just not sure how to contest the speedy deletion bit. Help? Madcynic ( talk) 09:28, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
..........the discussion that apparently led to the decision that teams not in a fully-pro league cannot have their squad listed in their article? See [13] and many other edits by the same editor...... -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 10:37, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
Zanoni's replied on his (and my) talk page, and he makes a valid point about a number of non-league rosters being out of date. It probably wouldn't be the best time to look at this, but perhaps in August (i.e. when the new season starts, and therefore when clubs have their new squads in place), it may be worth having a drive to get as many non-league squad lists up to date as possible. —BETTIA— talk 15:16, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
Template:Debreceni VSC managers lists Lászlo Kiss as the manager of the Hungarian team Debreceni VSC in 1987. Should this be this László Kiss (footballer), or is it just a similarly named person ? - TB ( talk) 09:56, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
Have a look at this teammates (see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ilovebenallen), quite "amusing"...Cheers, have a great week! - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 00:06, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
As we all know, WP articles on persons consist of...well, information on REAL people. Hence, there is a possibility that they come in and edit their articles, nothing more nothing less.
In João Pedro Henriques Neto, apparently the player has come in and proceeded to make some wrong changes in infobox, others correct of course as he would know best. I have notified him about his wrongdoings, but i don't know whether my message will reach him as he has a dynamic IP.
Nonetheless, funny stuff and, since this is the first time i have seen this kind of "interaction" (i once read something in the Spanish version of Oleguer Presas where it appeared that "the man" himself had contributed - to the folks who know their Spanish, have a read here http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discusi%C3%B3n:Oleguer_Presas), i bring this anecdote to the force. Attentively - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 22:49, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
Hi guys, first time editor here - please don't bite :))) I'm looking to add to the Brian McGinlay article but unsure how to proceed as lots of info seems to be suppressed already. Can anyone offer any help as to explain the withdrawal from the 1986 world cup and his 1992 retirement in a wiki-friendly way?
Cheers lads x — Preceding unsigned comment added by WeeWullieMcTavish ( talk • contribs) 23:38, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
Can editors please keep an eye on this player's article? He broke Steve Zakuani's leg in tonight's MLS game between Seattle and Colorado, and now disgruntled Seattle fans are resorting to vandalism to vent their spleens. I've been reverting some of the more egregious changes, but I don't want to get caught out by 3RR. Thanks. JonBroxton ( talk) 06:59, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
As some of you may or may not know, I do a lot of work on Algerian football and a number of Algerian footballers are born in France (the majority of our national team is actually born there). However, all these players are of Algerian descent, with either one or both of their parents being Algerian. Anyways, point I'm getting at, is that the opening line of the player articles read as such (for example): "Kamel Fathi Ghilas (born 9 March 1984) is a French-born Algerian international footballer." Personally, I don't like when it says French-born in the opening line for the simple fact that it seems like the player is not of Algerian descent and simply a naturalized citizen (like some other countries do on a wide scale). Now I know its not technically wrong to say he's French-born and frankly I have nothing against it, its just that the wording looks like it might imply something different .. and I've met a few people who think that our players are actually "ethnically French" (if I can use that term) as opposed to being Algerian born in France. I was just wondering if I'm the only one that sees it that way .. and what other users think. Thanks. TonyStarks ( talk) 06:07, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
Has anyone of you 38-yearish editors (as myself) heard of this guy (see here http://www.foradejogo.net/player.php?player=195806100001)? According to the link, was part of a couple of Premier League squads with Everton and had five seasons (some solid) in my country's Primeira Liga.
Remember him quite well, funny to find he does not have a WP article, SOCCERBASE.COM apparently also does not seem "to care". Attentively logging off - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 22:55, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
Hey folks,
Any bored copyeditors fancy helping out with sorting the formatting of the various Football League season articles? They all pretty much have the same problems:
That just needs chopped and the reference cited normally, either by attaching it to a table or just including it in the references section.The tables below are reproduced here in the exact form that they can be found at the The Rec.Sport.Soccer Statistics Foundation website[1] and in Rothmans Book of Football League Records 1888–89 to 1978–79[2], with home and away statistics separated.
Likewise, that can simply be deleted unless it is directly related to the season in question.Re-election: During the first five seasons of the league, that is, until the season 1893–94, re-election process concerned the clubs which finished in the bottom four of the league. From the 1894–95 season and until the 1920–21 season the re-election process was required of the clubs which finished in the bottom three of the league. From the 1922–23 season on it was required of the bottom two teams of both Third Division North and Third Division South. Since the Fourth Division was established in the 1958–59 season, the re-election process has concerned the bottom four clubs in that division.[3]
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tag following that. This should be deleted.An example of the required changes can be found in this diff. The pages in question can be found in this category. Thanks!
Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 12:38, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
Just to let people know that a discussion on football player noltability has started here [14]. Delusion23 ( talk) 22:36, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
If a player is loaned to a club and he signs permanently, does that take effect immediately or when the transfer market opens? For example, Hameur Bouazza was loaned to Millwall in the Championship from French club AC Arles for 6 months. However, Millwall just signed him on a permanent basis, with the season still running. Does that mean he's still on loan until the end of the season (joining them permanently on July 1) or does that mean he's a Millwall player? The reason I ask is mainly for his stats for the rest of the season (whether they are listed under the loan to Millwall or not). Thanks. TonyStarks ( talk) 05:12, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
How do I rename Category:Hyde United F.C. players to Category:Hyde F.C. players because the club changed their name from Hyde United to Hyde, regards, Liam Taylor 14:05, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
Just a quick question. When you update stats on the infobox should you update pcupdate = with the date you update it on or the date of the last game stats were taken from.20:13, 26 April 2011 (UTC) Warburton1368 ( talk)
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Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) -
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20:18, 26 April 2011 (UTC)Can anybody recommend a spreadsheet that can be downloaded to quickly calculate group tables and team positions?
Ideally, I'd like to be able to add the group's teams, then the spreadsheet would generate a match list based on number of games played and allow me to input scores. The results would then be used to create a group league table with teams in their final positions. TheBigJagielka ( talk) 18:27, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
Is this really necessary? Digirami ( talk) 00:07, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
Can an admin please re-create this article for me? He made his fully pro debut tonight for New England Revolution in the US Open Cup - confirmation is here: [17]. Thanks! JonBroxton ( talk) 04:14, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
There is a discussion about whether the |country =
parameter in the
Template:Infobox football league may link to the sanctioning federation rather than the country. The precedent seems to be country only but the linking to the federation makes imminent sense. The discussion is happening on
Talk:North American Soccer League (2011). There is also a request on the template page to add federation as a separate parameter. Input would be appreciated. --
Walter Görlitz (
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14:21, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
Should players that have announced their retirement from international football be added to the current squad or recent call-ups list. In the Mexico national football team article I've been removing international retired players from the list but some IPs keep adding them back. I even left a hidden message saying to not add retired players but an IP changed the message and said to not remove them. GoPurple 'n Gold24 22:39, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
Hi there. Do end of season play-offs, like the spareggio formerly used as a tie-breaker in Serie A (in 2004–05, for example]] and the post-season promotion play-offs in the Football League count towards league appearances for the purposes of player infoboxes? I'm quite sure it's established one way or the other, but I don't know which way. Thanks. † Omg osh30 † 00:12, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
FYI, someone wants to overwrite Tommy Gemmell (footballer born 1930) wiht user:Truste56/Sandbox2. See user talk:Truste56/Sandbox2
65.94.45.160 ( talk) 04:45, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
A bot request has been filed to change the coding for all 'old' infoboxes, questions & comments appreciated. Giant Snowman 15:06, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
Are we having two bots do the same task? See Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/SporkBot 3 and Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/Petan-Bot task7. SporkBot was requested first, but Petan-Bot was approved first. Strange. Frietjes ( talk) 16:32, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
Another shining example of how football unites people...in VANDALISM!!
FC Barcelona won against Real Madrid, but players on both sides, Sergio Busquets and Pepe, are being treated to a dose of industrial idiocy. And Marcelo did strike the former's face, so he did not feign anything there (unlike the incident with Thiago Motta).
Speaking of SOCCER, no words for Lionel Messi and, on the negative side, no words for José Mourinho and his whining (and i am Portuguese, and not a Barcelona fan, do not support any club). Returning to paragraph#1, like i said, "lovely", i have already requested admin action on both articles.
Attentively - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 14:44, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
In a non-vandalic approach, can someone tell me if i am doing the correct thing?
I spent the last hour improving this player's article (what a strange death man! RIP) and something struck me as illogical: the Slovak League begun in 1993/94, he moved to Real Madrid after 1992/93, so he never competed in the new league, how could have he won the award for Player of the Year in said competition? Like i said, illogical.
If anyone has anything to add to my last edits, especially regarding this contents, please do so. Attentively - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 15:03, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
Are players like Dominik Kaiser, Nicolas Höfler, Jaineil Hoilett, Jürgen Rittenauer or Michael Esser (all of them only played Regionalliga or below so far) notable according to your guidelines? -- Ureinwohner ( talk) 11:36, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
This RFC could affect tens of thousands of player infoboxes, any input appreciated. Giant Snowman 13:26, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
Can anyone explain to me what is the meaning/purpose of this cat (please see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Turkey_A2_international_footballers)? I am at a total loss... -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 13:30, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
He's reportedly the England national football team's first black captain, I know he was born in London but where were his descendants ancestors from? Trinidad? Barbados?
TheBigJagielka (
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13:49, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
Any "old" editors out there? Regarding this player's height, all i can say is that i remember his European Cup exploits, but 25 years is too much to say i know whether he was 1,75 or 1,93 (the former being a short height for a GK, i'll admit it)...
However, all of the available links say he is 1,75 (including one ROMANIAN!) and the height keeps being changed, without one word in summary and i am getting a little fed up. I remember someone telling me in the past something about VERIFIABILITY, meaning we should go with the sources available, when it's all that we have.
Please, don't just reference the 1,75 with the links, that solves nothing, the (possible) vandals, most of them anon - but i have just sent a message to User:Narcis90, who was also "kind" enough to "offer" Duckadam a goal for Steaua in his box! - will continue to do their deed whether the height is ref'd or not. Attentively - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 15:34, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
Also tried to find refs for his supposed run-in with The Man, popular belief has it to be true, he had his hands broken shortly after the EC Final, rather than the "blood disorder" which appears in the text (or maybe both?). It was once inserted here, but i removed it (2 years ago maybe) on the grounds it was not sourced and it was a rather "hot" topic. Now, all i can find in the web are texts which probably stem from what once "existed" in the wiki-fields... - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 17:17, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
What are people's views on this list of teams that missed out on playing in Europe because of the ban on English clubs. For 1985-86 it's fair enough as those teams were all set to compete, but after that it's a bit more arbitrary to me as the ban was in place and known about. What did UEFA do about the coefficients during the ban. Was England included in the coefficient list during the ban? It basically seems to be an assumption based on if English teams performance had continued at the same level as it had up to the ban, and I think at the very least, qualifying statements should be added to the text. Any thoughts? Eldumpo ( talk) 12:45, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the responses/action. The reason I came across this issue is season articles such as this [18] and this [19], which include the spurious information as notes and highlights. Eldumpo ( talk) 12:41, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
From time to time I found some infoboxes literaly squeezed... I allwys wandered who was loosing time doing that to our poor infoboxes, but I found the "guilty one"!: User:Nameless User. I found him trough this and this edits... I supose he has some bite-to-bite price for internet, so getting the articles down to less possible bites saves him money... Or, is it something else? FkpCascais ( talk) 08:43, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
FYI, I had filed a request here, but appears another bot was fast-tracked and approved before me, although I did file first. In any event, I am still seeking approval, since the category may fill up again in the future due to inadvertent reversions, intermingled vandalism, cut-and-paste from other wikis, etc. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 20:46, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
Some IP is insistently making troubles in this article. What to do? FkpCascais ( talk) 21:11, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
you haven't this article and this other :).. both the players had italian father and english mother.. 93.56.58.72 ( talk) 09:17, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
User:Myrmecophagous has removed, in Gerard Deulofeu, a bit (which i did not insert in the first place, i only improved its display) where interest from Premier League teams occurred, the bit being REFERENCED.
My doubt is: why should it not be mentioned if it's ref'd? It adds to the player's career, and it's not POVish or WEASELish methinks. The user mentioned above (which i have notified about the discussion), when removing went as far as to call it NONSENSE, and also removed my previous message to him summarily from his talkpage, without one word of feedback..."Great" teamwork.
In a similar case, i think the Everton affair with João Moutinho (which amounts to several lines in his article and 3 or 4 refs), and the transfer finally did not happen. Before an edit war arises, inputs please.
Attentively - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 19:59, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
I found these template brackets that I think I've seen used at the 2006 FIFA World Cup for a brief moment in the past (and if I remember correctly, they were turned down).
I've checked their "what links here" for each template and they aren't being used. Do they serve a purpose? Can they be proposed for deletion? -- MicroX ( talk) 02:04, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
[20] -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 17:42, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
Have a look at this one that was obviously copied from the Spanish wiki. Digirami ( talk) 20:15, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
Has Chris Sharpe (ex Blackburn, Southampton, Chesterfield, B1909 Odense, Viborg FF, Køge Boldklub, Colorado Rapids [22]) ever played in a fully professional league? Hack ( talk) 03:22, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
Vandalism has been afoot in Pepe's page. This not being vandalism, i would like to hear the force's opinion regarding this edit's validity (please see here http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Pepe_(footballer_born_1983)&diff=427003055&oldid=426917950):
1 - a YouTube video, nothing more needs to be said, except this: a YouTube video that prior to Pepe's challenge, shows a Sergio Busquets tackle on Xabi Alonso, for "comparison" purposes; 2 - a Real Madrid press release (do you think the Real Madrid's website has ever chosen sides in their lives?!).
I think with the info available ("Pepe played as defensive midfielder", "he was sent off for a challenge on X against Barcelona") is more than enough, no POV, just the facts. If we get a source surrounding the fairness of his dismissal, it has to be an independent one.
Attentively - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 15:45, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
Would anybody object if I changed the Zaire 1974 FIFA World Cup squad players to show their names in the correct (English) order? Many of them are listed as Surname Firstname (the format frequently used by French sources). See fifa.com TheBigJagielka ( talk) 19:34, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
He played in the first years of the italian championship, coming from Newcastle, the problem is we ignore when he was exactly born and died; do you have books where there are informations? 93.56.60.139 ( talk) 08:08, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
Hmm 10-20 years ago maybe. I know their Dutch contributor, he hasn't worked for them in ages. Diment isn't really a Scottish name. There are 5 Diments in the 1891 Scottish Census: George, Margaret (parents?) John Archibald and George. The search for Diments living in Newcastle in 1901 gives very similar results. George, Margaret, John, Archibald +Thomas and Robert (born after 1891) This could mean he (John or 'Jack' ) was born in Devon ca.1886 (If this doesn't violate OR....) Cattivi ( talk) 01:36, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
Someone recently edited {{ Football League Championship Venues}} and the ones for League One and Two to add all former stadiums to host football at this level. I reverted on the basis that there is simply no need for it, and we'd end up with many, many grounds on each one if it was actually backdated all the way to the Football League's establishment. However, it was reverted back by the editor in question with the argument that the same exists on the Premier League template. The question is, should it also be removed from that template?
This is also a more general question - I've seen a trend recently for adding all former clubs to have played at a level to the current season template (see {{ Football League Championship}}) - is this something others are ok with? Personally I find it rather pointless, and believe it only serves to inflate templates. Number 5 7 08:19, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
I've added FC Barcelona to the infobox of Sergi Roberto. He's played in a couple of Cup and Europe games this season for Barcelona, just not in La Liga yet. Am I right in including FC Barcelona in his infobox, as there seems to be an issue with an IP user who keeps removing it? -- Jimbo [online] 16:31, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
Can an admin please undelete the Andy Rafferty article as he now meets WP:NFOOTY, thank you (sources [24] & [25]) Kingjamie ( talk) 08:42, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
Got a minor problem here. The page says Abdul Thompson Conteh played college soccer at the University of the District of Columbia, but you look here, it says he played for the University of Washington aka Washington Huskies. Are there any other links to confirm where he played. – Michael ( talk) 21:28, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
From what i see, the link for Ligue 1 and Ligue 2 player stats page at Ligue de Football Professionel operates simply by inserting the player's name, nothing else, with the "LFP" prefix.
I tried and tried with this Nigerian chap, to no avail. Of course i could have just copied the external link of the player, but i think it's best to keep it coherent and go with the template. Can someone assist me? I know that, in the past, User:Rich Farmbrough has fixed several of those, brother can you hear me?!
Attentively - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 22:43, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
Can someone help me add the football kits to the 2011 Algerian Cup Final ? I tried putting it in for the "home" team like I usually do but for some reason it just comes out white. I've looked over the code a few times and I don't see anything wrong. Also, I didn't bother doing the away team because I don't know enough about how the kits work. If someone can take a crack at it. For the home team (USM El Harrach), its just yellow shirts, black shorts and yellow socks. For the away team (JS Kabylie), its green socks, white shorts and horizontal green and white jersey ( here's a pic). If someone can do this for me I'd really appreciate it! TonyStarks ( talk) 06:33, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
Is Raheem Sterling of Liverpool notable ? He has zero senior team appearances in all competitions or does he qualify under "notable coverage" .. ? TonyStarks ( talk) 13:52, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
Now that this site has been taken over by Racing Post, can it still be considered as a reliable and suitable source? -- Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 04:50, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
Soccerbase is designed to promote gambling. Its entire function is to tempt people to take a bet. On Ashley Cole's web page with Soccerbase, I am offered a 25 pound free bet as a new customer. "BET NOW" flashes every 10 seconds. But that's not all. If I'm an old customer, there's a link to Ladbrokes so that I can deposit and withdraw money, and if I don't have an account with this organisation, a link is provided to enable me to open such an account. Below that is another link to enable to me to bet every day of the year! Four games are presented to tempt me. "BET NOW!' screams a sign in the bottom right hand corner. Below that, Billy Bunter, tempts me to lay a bet while there is time and further down there is more betting news, designed to get me to wager my money.
Now that's all very nice - especially for Soccerbet - and I am sure that they do very nicely, thank you very much, from the links that Wikipedia so generously provides them. However, there is the small matter of Wikipedia policy. It advises us to avoid links to individual web pages that primarily exist to sell products or services, or to web pages with objectionable amounts of advertising. And that, of course, is exactly what Soccerbase exists for. All the statistics are simply bait to tempt you to bet, now, Now, NOW!
On the strength of this evidence I think I would be entitled to propose a purge of Soccerbase from Wikipedia.
(de-indent)While the recent changes to Soccerbase are to its detriment, it remains the best site for statistics for currently active players in England and Scotland. All the major statistics sites have their limitations, but Soccerbase is often the most comprehensive. To take the Ashley Cole example from the parallel discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football/Players#Is_a_betting_website_appropriate_in_the_template_as_a_link_for_Wikipedia_articles.3F, the BBC website has a number of limitations. It only names a player's current club, so the BBC link could only be used to verify his appearances for Chelsea, not Arsenal or Crystal Palace. It also lacks the season by season breakdown. As others have pointed out, it only covers players from the top division. Player profiles disappear as soon as a player moves to another league or retires. I would love to be able to suggest an alternative of equal comprehensiveness (not least because there are errors, omissions and idiosyncracies in Soccerbase), but sadly there isn't one. In terms of print sources, we have the annual Sky Sports (formerly Rothmans) Yearbook and Hugman's PFA Footballers' Who's Who, but these of course have the problem of becoming out of date almost as soon as they are published. A Soccerbase purge would be detrimental to the encyclopedia. Oldelpaso ( talk) 16:42, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
Personally I have very little time for Soccerbase. There are mistakes, and unfortunately numerous enough that I don't trust any of the information that's there. Off the top of my head, there are two if not three entries to Claus Bech Jorgensen, there is more than one Alex Rhodes to the extent the wrong one joins the wrong club, various managerial statistics are wrong for recent Bradford City managers and Bradford's 98-99 season statistics don't tally. That's just the statistics for one club off the top of my head. Add to that, historic managerial statistics are incorrect or at best incomplete, old cup competitions are incomplete and play-off data is sometimes but not always added to league data. Yes, Soccerbase is handy, but all the data needs some additional verification. Brad78 ( talk) 23:26, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
I agree that since the site was revamped, the advertising has become intrusive. However, most uses of Soccerbase on here aren't just as a "link". It often appears in the external links section, but that's because people don't necessarily see the difference between putting it there and putting it in a references section. It's generally used as the WP:RS for players' appearances and goals, and "purging" it would leave thousands (literally) of footballer articles with their career stats unsourced. cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 07:39, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
I've long felt that if we were to pull our fingers out, come to an agreement on where Soccerbase is lacking, and formulate an official list of things we want, we would be in a position to tell Soccerbase what we require from the site in order to keep using it. After all, we are a massive driver of traffic towards their site, which unquestionably translates into significant revenue. If we, from a unified and public position, were to say "do this, or our community of editors will start using this alternative site", they would be mad not to take us seriously. — W F C— 16:11, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
Association football seems to me to be a grossly overlinked term. In most articles about footballers' bios, football clubs or tournaments, is usually abundantly clear from the context what football we are referring to; there are usually other links and pointers to specific events, places, teams, trophies that would seem to me to obviate the need to link to the generic term 'Association football'. All other variants of football I know of are referred to with qualifiers (e.g. Gaelic football, rugby football, Aussie rules football, American football) so 'football' does not need dabbing and can be taken as read per WP:ENGVAR. I am wondering if we can do away with such a non-specific link for articles across the project? What concerns do the assembled editors have, and what exceptions do they wish to see with regards to unlinking instances such as [[Association football]], [[Association football|football]], [[Association football|soccer]] or [[Association football]]er in articles across the project? -- Ohconfucius ¡digame! 02:35, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
'''Yaovi Aziabou''' (born September 11, 1990 in [[Lomé]]) is a [[Togo]]lese [[association football|football]] [[Defender (association football)|defender]].
[Association] football is the most popular sport on the planet; everywhere except in the USA is this game referred to as 'football' with no qualifier or disambiguation. The cascade of links in said article a breach of the manual of style, and I don't see much value/utility in linking
football
when it is abundant from context and links all around it in the article what sort of football we are talking about. There is already the adjacent link '[[Defender (association football)|defender]]'. If that were not enough, we have in the sentence that follows: "He currently plays for [[Tarbes Pyrénées Football|Tarbes]] in the [[Championnat de France amateur 2|French CFA 2]]". Would it not be more meaningful if we were to pipe to do without the link (as in "Yaovi Aziabou (born September 11, 1990 in
Lomé) is a
Togolese football
defender
"), or alternatively pipe to 'defender' as [[Defender (association football)|association football defender]] as in "Yaovi Aziabou (born September 11, 1990 in
Lomé) is a
association football defender from
Togo
"? --
Ohconfucius
¡digame!
06:16, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
Would it not be quicker for all concerned if the actual template used for player info provided a link to the relevant sport? That way we wouldn't have to type it individually for every player that doesn't have his profession linked? One updated template vs many updated articles seems more efficient. Koncorde ( talk) 10:27, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
I have updated 2011 Football League play-offs after today's end-of-season matches. Feel free to add some background on the season (with references) before the play-offs start. 03 md 16:26, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
Should have i reverted this (see here http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Manuel_Agudo_Dur%C3%A1n&diff=427303530&oldid=425060960)? I mean, the user, who has been repeatedly warned about his ways and has several of his creations up for a big ole' "AfD", only wrote one of the most poetic approaches i have ever read here ("and caught the attention of European luminaries such as Benfica Lisbon..."), mixing past and present, speculating ("Simply put, there are few players who could command a place in the current Barcelona team, and Nolito will find it extremely difficult to make it past the bench with the quality currently present at the club."), the lot...
He also took it upon himself to remove the references in storyline, with JUST the facts (goals scored, debut with first team - i guess an hat-trick against CD Tenerife, ref'd (!!), is not noteworthy), much better writing approach would be a "Nolito is characterised by fantastic movement, thanks to his impressive agility, quickness, acceleration and pace. In terms of dribbling, he can be compared to Barcelona star Andres Iniesta, as he loses very little speed with the ball at his feet.", or a "Nolito would be an excellent addition to any team in terms of mentality and determination. He is a team player and is professional both on and off the pitch.", and don't forget he "is...a FAMILY MAN".
All in all, i hope i did well to undo User:Blgeoverlord, and that the force has no objections to my action. I will keep a close eye on this! - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 02:07, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
Is he notable anyway? And besides, i cant find info on him being FC Keirat player, eg soccerway doesn't list him. All google turns out is his kick video. Maybe someone messed the name up and everybody followed. - Koppapa ( talk) 07:27, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
Redirected because he is notable for the kicking incident. Mention in the club article is enough.
I mostly agree with professional footballers being notable, however given the way football is structured globally by this requirement it prevents many top league footballers in countries like Kazakhstan having articles yet permitting 4th league players in anglo countries to have articles because their football infrastructure and wealth is greater. I think this gives a major bias in coverage. I would make a slight change to rule which makes any player who has made a first team appearance in the top football division of any country notable. I think any footballer who has made a senior appearance in a top division game for any country should be notable, even if the club is not fully professional. There are economic and indeed political reasons why the top clubs in many countries are not fully professional, I think such a rule demonstrates a major bias towards anglo countries who are wealthier and have a greater football infrastructure and base. Constant Matoingue should be notable.. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:27, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
A small point: there's nothing in the notability criteria, general or subject-specific, to suggest that significant coverage has to be in English-language media. cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 15:26, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
I have found one user making a series of edits where he includes medaltemplates in infoboxes for runers-up positions in Cups, and so. See here or here which were just exemples I had on my watchlist. Is that OK? FkpCascais ( talk) 17:08, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
|medaltemplates=
parameter for a reason...
Giant
Snowman
17:32, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
But I touth medaltemplates in infoboxes was for Olympics and major NT tournaments (World Cups and Euro´s and correspondents), and not for domestic cups, meaning, specially not for runners-up domestic cup situations... But, I understand it (it is a silver after all), anyway, the fact is that we haven´t been using it (see Michael Owen for exemple) and this opens a pandora box for a entire new field now, and much work to do to complete it for every player, for every cup, for every competition... FkpCascais ( talk) 19:27, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
Said article just popped up on my categories content watchlist. Any comment would be appreciated. -- Soccer-holic I hear voices in my head... 09:00, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
I have removed some stuff in the past regarding this field in infobox, and would like to discuss: 1 - have i been doing it right; 2 - different approach techniques.
What is the limit for what we insert in the infobox in this field? I feel it should only contain current club as a coach or player, nothing else. If i have been (am) wrong, my apologies for undue removal of contents.
Some insert everything in current club - president, goalkeeper coach, director of football, under-21 coordinator, honorary chairman, everything. I think if we made an article about a club president who had never played, or a youth coordinator, the person in question would not even have an infobox, hence me insisting the "current club" should only be for players and/or managers. The rest should be referred to in storyline, methinks.
Attentively - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 15:01, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
Current club Template F.C.
Number First-team coach
Hopefully someone can correct me but I think that the specific links to specific season tables (for instance) are now all shot to pieces since Soccerbase underwent their make-under. Anyone know how to link to a specific table for a specific season? The Rambling Man ( talk) 16:07, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
As the season draws to an end, clubs are announcing players that will be released when their contracts end at the end of June. However, IPs take this to mean "released immediately" and are removing them from the 'Current squad' lists. One such example is Bradford City A.F.C., where I have already reached my 3RR limit. Can an admin please revert the latest IP's edits? Cheers, Giant Snowman 18:01, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
Most clubs do not provide as much clarity as Bradford on the precise moment that the player's contract expires. 30 June is the "default" end date, because the transfer window opens on 1 July. But it's not uncommon for a player's contract to expire earlier. It often depends on whether the player or the club had the upper hand during the contract negotiation. — W F C— 19:10, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
What I did last season was mark the "released" players in the squad list with a dagger symbol and put a note below the squad list saying "Players marked † will leave the club when their contracts expire on 30 June 2010" with a reference. There were still some instances of players being removed prematurely, but it seemed to work well enough. Probably helped that the reference did say explicitly they were leaving on 30 June, not just that they were being released..... cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 06:47, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
Am i correct? And of course, many many newbies only seeking their 15 minutes of wiki-fame could not care less what is being discussed here, they'll keep adding their stuff until the cows come home... - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 15:00, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
Is there a good reason why this tournament should appear on Wikipedia with its Romanian name and not with an English one (Romanian Cup, Cup of Romania or anything else)? As far as I can tell, articles about cup competitions are generally entitled by the model "<country> Cup", e.g. Bulgarian Cup. -- Theurgist ( talk) 10:05, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
He's back again [ [26]] [27] Cattivi ( talk) 12:09, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
Hi, can someone help with the format of the league table that has gone awry. I'm not sure if it's to do with the 'head to head' entries which were added but have not been updated to reflect current ties. The edit that caused the problem appears to be this one. Thanks. Eldumpo ( talk) 16:11, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
Do many people have experience with this website? I was doing some research on one of my club's old players, who also played for Woolwich Arsenal, and stumbled upon it. Albeit cumbersome to navigate, it contains a whole host of information which appears to be well researched. I don't have Arsenal versions of the books that are in my possession, so I'm thinking of using it as a source to flesh out the career of this fellow. Worth adding to the link collection? Argyle 4 Life talk 19:08, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
I would like to understand the logic behind this: Panathinaikos FC was named as such when i first started editing, remember it well.
Then, it was moved to Panathinaikos F.C., and now, it's been renamed again without the dots. I know that redirects are not dangerous or vandalism or anything, but can anyone enlighten on the validation of these actions? A bit puzzling to me...
Attentively - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 23:44, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
Of course, the Bulgarian club i now mentioned and similar are the ones we should remove the (needless) initials from (i.e. only CHERNOMORETS BURGAS, for instance Gimnàstic de Tarragona is not the club's full name, but it's how it is named (duly!) in WP), not from the Spanish clubs (and akin) i mentioned later of course :) - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 13:16, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
After i alerted "the force" at this "user"'s behaviour at Manuel Agudo Durán, i see his M.O. is not new (did it in several articles): he removes the CLUB CAREER/INTERNATIONAL CAREER sections, with references included (!!), and replaces those with the following: 1 - BACKGROUND; 2 - STRENGTHS; 3 - WEAKNESSES; 4 - MENTALITY; 5 - CURRENT SITUATION. Not one single wikilink is provided in his words, not one reference, no nothing, and each section (each section? each sentence!!) is filled with POV/WEASEL/poetic rubbish to the brim.
Enough is enough, i am going to report him to an administrator. Furthermore, he has been warned several times. In André Senghor, he wrote his "stuff" again after being reverted.
Attentively - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 03:24, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
Your opinions will be appreciated in the following discussion: Wikipedia:Templates for discussion#Template:Round8-with third-waiting -- MicroX ( talk) 05:03, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
Rumours on Twitter and Facebook, that Capello has resigned/sacked. There are no other sources yet, so his page either needs patrolling or protecting, to a small but steady stream of edits. Brad78 ( talk) 22:55, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
Annibale Frossi's and Attila Sallustro's articles gained the silver star, if you need help to update those articles here on en.wikipedia ;).. 93.56.51.83 ( talk) 07:04, 13 May 2011 (UTC)