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Someone using the IP address range has made edits to Brighton & Hove Albion players, updating stats but updating them in the format 'Monday 1st January 2018', which does not comply with WP:MOSDATE and therefore have been corrected by other editors. The latest I have noticed was on Glenn Murray which I've fixed recently. If anyone notices similar activity from this range of IP addresses, please correct the format as soon as someone sees the change first. Thanks, Iggy ( talk) 11:49, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
There is a move review about article UAE Arabian Gulf League on Wikipedia:Move review/Log/2018 January, you can have some comment on Wikipedia:Move review/Log/2018 January, thanks! Hhhhhkohhhhh ( talk) 12:14, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
Can I have some opinions on the talk page for Jamie Robson regarding recent media coverage of alleged drink-driving, please? There was a similiar recent discussion here regarding David Moyes and an alleged assault, where the consensus was it didn't need to be in the article. Jellyman ( talk) 14:26, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi,
Should the "manager" column in the 'Personnel and kits' section of league season articles (see 2017–18 Premier League#Personnel and kits) only list the last manager or all managers over the season?
At the moment the standard seems to be only the most recent manager, which seems to me to be recentism, and could mislead readers into thinking that only those managers managed. For one particularly bad example of this, see the 2015/16 article, which lists Everton F.C.'s managers as being Joe Royle and David Unsworth, who managed one game (the last of the season), with no mention in that section of Roberto Martinez, manager for most of the season that the article is about.
I've checked a few other league articles and they all only have one manager listed, even in cases where clubs have many over the season. I think these should be changed to list all managers who took charge of the club over the season, with dates where necessary. OZOO (t) (c) 20:45, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
A few IP editors ( 82.137.9.167, 82.137.13.149, 82.137.13.244, 82.208.187.11) have been changing links from "[[FC Steaua București|Steaua București]]" to "[[FCSB | FCSB]]". I am aware of the controversy regarding the naming of the club but as far as I know, the change goes against current convention. They edits started on 30 December and have continued until today while other editors and I have been repeatedly reverting the changes. Should the IP editors be blocked? Robby.is.on ( talk) 11:56, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
I have posted an update on the Harry Roberts date of birth issue, which was brought here by @ Jesi last month. I am now suggesting that we move the page based on new information. Thanks, Nzd (talk) 05:11, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
I’ve seen at Real Madrid C.F. and FC Barcelona, also Juventus F.C. use squad field boxes to show the squad from a Champions League title win. Since the squad can be found at the Final’s page, these are probably not necessary on a club article? Vaselineeeeeeee ★★★ 05:47, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
FA articles about Manchester United and Liverpool don't included it. Details like that are more important for technichal articles like these about single matches, not in generic articles like these about the clubs.-- Dantetheperuvian ( talk) 06:00, 5 January 2018 (UTC) Juventus article's weight is near 50 kb. over the limit in en.wiki and this make more difficult the access and read.
Quick survey, let's get "voting" if you please,
in your opinion, what outline is the more suitable/habitual for a football bio? The current or this one (please see here https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Unai_Emery&diff=815965378&oldid=815788574)? The latter contains the personal life content in a section in its own right, the former has it all mingled with playing career, so much the confusion that now the title is humungous ("Early life and playing career"). The latter mentions player position in the introduction, the former in the body of article.
The former version contains wikilinks of a competition (i.e. UEFA Champions League) AND seasons of a given competition, the latter is having none of that and removed all instances of the competition, leaving only the given season. The wording of versions X and Y is only a minor aspect i believe, it can and will always be adjusted/corrected.
Attentively, thanks for any input that can be provided -- Quite A Character ( talk) 21:21, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi, I edit the Inverness CT Season pages, mainly editing out minor errors and updating fixtures etc. But this season page in particular is all over the place, showing incorrect results, for example Inverness 1–0 Celtic would be labeled as a loss to Inverness. And I can't do anything about it, as it is an unfamiliar template, and I have no clue how to change the colour of the box. I am only familiar with "Football Box Collapsible" which most articles are in. So, can someone check it out and fix it please. Thanks, Cheesy McGee ( talk) 20:27, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
Hello all. Apart from a few exceptions, there have been no two national championships within a year in Europe. In Turkey there was the Turkish National Division (from 1937 to 1950) and the Turkish Football Championship (from 1924 to 1951). Thus they existed at the same time for about 14 years and there were two national football champions in those years.
Now my question is how to put that into the European football template of a specific year/season.
For example into this one:
I have added the National Division, but the Turkish Football Championship was also held that year. How would you implement it into the template? Any suggestions are welcome. Regards, Akocsg ( talk) 00:02, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
See e.g. Category:Celtic F.C. Under-20s and Academy players. I think these are pointless, particularly if a player has both youth and senior time with a club and will therefore be in two categories...thoughts welcome. Giant Snowman 13:16, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
On the books is exactly what we have, and what it should remain - otherwise we end up with incomplete/inaccurate pictures of a player's career. Giant Snowman 16:00, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
Yes, that is what I'm proposing. We now have situations where clubs (e.g. Chelsea) buy players, loan them out and never use them for their own first team. Is it realistic to call someone like that a "Chelsea player"? It's more akin to the American baseball system, where teams acquire (sign, draft or trade) players, only use them in their minor league teams and they never progress to the Major League level with that organisation. Jmorrison230582 ( talk) 11:31, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
I am not a part of this WikiProject but I have doubt to clarify this. I recently created an article, Pundarika Prathanmitr a Thai woman cricketer who was born in 13 November 1990 and I also found a source (Eurosport) [ https://www.eurosport.com/football/pundarika-prathanmitr_prs281354/person.shtml stating that Pundarika Prathanmitr is a Thai footballer who was also born in 13 November 1990 similar to that of the cricketer. (Probably Eurosport could be an unreliable source) But I didn't find any football article links to prove that there isn't any notable footballers with this similar name. On the other hand, apart from Eurosport I couldn't find any football related sources to verify my doubts. Please help me out here. Abishe ( talk) 16:35, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi. I want to know whether editors are of the opinion of removing unsourced "managerial statistics", "top scorers" and "highest appearances" in club articles. Also what are your opinion on the notes column present in these tables, which are often filled with information like "youngest manager in the league" and so on. RRD ( talk) 09:22, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
I don't think an asterisk and a note that the stats only relate to the domestic league is user-friendly. It's similar to small print and people understandably don't see it and assume the stats are wrong. Should the heading "Senior career" not be changed to "Senior league career" or "Senior domestic league career" to make things clearer? Stuart1234 ( talk) 19:41, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
Idea: I think it will be a good idea to create a Wiki guide/rules for merging football club articles
Use: Similar like the guide we have for e.g. WP:FPL.
Reason: Inconsistency.
For example most will agree
Rangers F.C. are still the same club when they reformed.
A.C.R. Messina have one article but technically legally there were 7 different clubs (many Italian teams like this).
Newport County A.F.C. has 1 article.
Darlington 1883 was a phoenix club but when the successor changed their name to the same as the historic folded club's,
Darlington F.C., the two articles were merged.
Etar Veliko Tarnovo have 3 articles but there is a clear continuation in time-line, the crest, strip, and colours, as well as the fans are all the same.
Counter productive to have 7 Messina articles and 3 Etar ones.
Proposed rules:
1. Colours, crest, location the same
2. Substantial link in name
3. No split in continuation (i.e. not reformed before club ceased to exist)
4. No surrounding controversy
5. No more than 1 existing successor club
Implementation:
Simple tick and cross for each point to determine whether to merge or not.
Examples:
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FCU Craiova &
CS Universitatea Craiova: Pass 1,2,3; Fail 4,5, as CSU exists alongside in 4th division; no merge
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VfB Leipzig &
Lokomotive Leipzig: Pass 2,3,4,5; Fail 1; split
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BSG Chemie Leipzig (1950) &
BSG Chemie Leipzig (1997): Pass 1,2,5; Fail 3; Debate 4; no merge
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CSU Vointa Sibiu &
LSS Vointa Sibiu: Pass 1,2,3,4,5; merge
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Juan Aurich (1922–1992) &
Aurich–Cañaña &
Juan Aurich de Chiclayo &
Juan Aurich de La Victoria: Pass 1,2,3 (
Deportivo Cañaña unmerged), 4, 5; merge
Please tell me what you think of those proposals.
Abcmaxx (
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17:47, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
In general, I think if a club has been established to replace one that has folded and see itself as a successor, then we should stick to one article for simplicity and convenience for the reader. If you read up on club histories, many of them folded and reformed a few times in their history, so there's no reason to treat modern interruptions any differently IMO. Number 5 7 11:33, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
Can someone please find a reliable source for his return to Everton on 31 January 2012 (source #7)? ZEROZERO is quite harmless as a link for Portuguese/Portugal-based players (it is spot-on in 99,99999999999999999% of the cases), but not reliable as a source for WP as its content is user-generated.
Oddly enough, i searched the web like crazy, found nothing (reliable, that is). Attentively, thanks in advance for whatever can be provided -- Quite A Character ( talk) 23:46, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi, I'd like to propose a change to the format of honours section at Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Players. I don't believe it is necessary to have level three headings to divide club, international and individual honours, and that the bold text headings would be sufficient. I would use level three headings to separate playing and managerial honours, if necessary. Here is an example of what I think would be a better layout. Thanks, Mattythewhite ( talk) 02:11, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
Can we get some clarification over the status of WP:KARLSRUHER vis-a-vis its application to Ron-Robert Zieler. User:DerDFB seems intent on applying the essay (yes, it's just an essay) rigidly and referring to VfB Stuttgart thus throughout the article, but it doesn't really work from a "good writing" standpoint. I get that including the "VfB" avoids confusion with any other Stuttgart clubs, but the fact is that VfB is the biggest and best-known of the Stuttgart clubs, which makes the inclusion of the VfB unnecessary once you've established which club is being talked about. – Pee Jay 10:08, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
Could someone consider protection (again) for the above? Reverted four different nonsense IP edits this morning already. Crowsus ( talk) 13:30, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
"Interesting" situation at this footballer's article, several users keep removing the fact the player was banned/suspended by the Iran national team even though it is RELIABLY SOURCED. I am not aware if a pardon has been granted to him and his teammate since the events, but those contents surely must remain, am i correct?
Second reversion was even more serious, as they (obviously Iranian seeing the username) reverted me without one word whatsoever. Suggestions? Attentively -- Quite A Character ( talk) 00:05, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
Been reverted again, this time with a summary at least (calling me an uneducated vandal, but still better than nothing). Re-reverted and sent a message to the other party, someone PLEASE assist here. -- Quite A Character ( talk) 09:42, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi folks. I've got some questions regarding the career stats tables:
Regards, Robby.is.on ( talk) 20:43, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
Thanks, LTFC 95. If there are no objections, I will modify the template accordingly later. Robby.is.on ( talk) 13:22, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
I am not sure, but I didn't think you were allowed collapsible stats tables, there is one on Alex Pritchard, Govvy ( talk) 12:35, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
Not showing up in your article alerts. L3X1 Happy2018! (distænt write) 03:28, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
Category talk:Dundee Wanderers notes that Category:Dundee Wanderers is within the scope of WikiProject Football. However this category actually relates not to Dundee Wanderers F.C., which is covered by Category:Dundee Wanderers F.C., but to a (field) hockey club of the same name. Dunarc ( talk) 21:43, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
I have seen so many edits from IP addresses on Keïta's article implying that he is the new Liverpool player although his transfer to Liverpool has not been officially confirmed yet (at least until the upcomng summer transfer window). Can you admins please do something about that? DerDFB ( talk) 09:14, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
Is it necessary to include a table of the Turkish candidate stadiums on UEFA Euro 2024? All of the stadium information is already included on UEFA Euro 2024 bids, but Motuna has restored the table. The user has also added unsourced statements (e.g. "this is due to Turkey losing out to France for UEFA Euro 2016, and Istanbul losing the 2020 Summer Olympics to Tokyo"), along with quotations which do not directly involve the bid ("Turkey is proving that it is one of the world's leaders in its commitment to football infrastructure"). I previously removed the statements and copyedited the paragraph, but Motuna has restored their version. Thoughts? S.A. Julio ( talk) 19:40, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
Could do with a bit of advice on this one. The page has previously been deleted via AfD. However, there is now an international appearance, referenced by Soccerway, and the prose states this was against Brunei (the game happened since the last deletion). This is backed up by Sky Sports. It's a bit odd though; the Soccerway profile shows 14 minutes played of a senior game. However, the Brunei game is not shown on his profile. If you look at the Brunei game, it shows it as an under-23 fixture. He was an unused sub for the only senior game it lists on his profile (against Guyana). FIFA does not list the Brunei game on it's senior results page. NFT does not have an entry for him, although I'm not sure how accurate that page is. The PSSI website suggests this was part of the 2017 Aceh World Solidarity Tsunami Cup (an under-23 competition).
The page has been subject to continual vandalism/unsourced additions for the last month. If the cap is indeed valid, it could do with being semi-protected. If it isn't, then it should probably be deleted and salted. Cheers, Nzd (talk) 12:37, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
Hello,
I would like you to take a look at a draft of this page, created by me - it appears that I am confused about the way certain Spanish teams should be displayed as what I have noticed on the latest difference by User:Quite A Character. The red text is the bit I am not sure on, and the question marks and ('Spanish equilavent of KARSRUHER') should be replaced with the appropriate word. I have noticed inconsistencies with the piping on certain Spanish club names - that causes confusion on my part. Iggy ( Swan) 23:06, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
I am questioning myself on a revert I did, I saw this IP editor has done a fair bit of work on the article, but I questioned weather this statement which I saw added in by the IP (Pompey was also a generic African-American slave name) was that right to add to the article? I really didn't like hearing that so... Did I just revert because WP:IDONTLIKEIT, or is there something worse going on, on the article, is it being improved or vandalised? I really don't know if I am confusing myself over it or not!! Govvy ( talk) 12:31, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
@ Matthew hk: @ Nzd: @ Koncorde: @ Struway2: @ GiantSnowman: @ Quite A Character: Hello all. Apart from a few exceptions, there have been no two national championships within a year in Europe. In Turkey there was the Turkish National Division (from 1937 to 1950) and the Turkish Football Championship (from 1924 to 1951). Thus they existed at the same time for about 14 years and there were two national football champions in those years.
Now my question is how to put that into the European football template of a specific year/season.
For example into this one:
I have added the National Division, but the Turkish Football Championship was also held that year. How would you implement it into the template? Any suggestions are welcome. Regards, Akocsg ( talk) 16:10, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
Sorry, can't be of any assistance there (i am as dumb as they come concerning charts and templates and akin), but thanks for "calling" me to the discussion). -- Quite A Character ( talk) 16:33, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for all the suggestions guys, I will do it like that. Regards, Akocsg ( talk) 02:43, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
Done. This topic can be archived.
Akocsg (
talk)
04:39, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi all.
Me and FerchuJenson have had a discussion regarding his creation of the 2018 Club Atlético River Plate season article. Argentina runs a 2017–18 style calendar league season, which already has the equivalent season article. However, FerchuJenson has created the 2018 season article due to the Copa Libertadores/Copa Sudamericana calendar following the January to December format and rumours that the Argentine league may re-adopt the Jan-Dec format for next season (2018, from July/August). Am I correct in stating this would be classed as WP:TOOSOON? R96Skinner ( talk) 05:51, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi, FerchuJenson here. Just to make sure my point was clear (since english is not my mother language), Top League in Argentina may -or may not- change the calendar, but CONMEBOL (South American Football Confederation) has been using the Jan-Dec calendar (suitable from southern hemisphere) since January 2017, and the competitions organized by the continental authority have been held that way since the very begining of 2017. So perhaps it's not a matter of "too soon" but a matter of "should we guided by Argentine Football Association or South American Football Confederation?". FerchuJenson ( talk) 06:59, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
As I don't have administrative capabilities, the following pages should be moved to their correct articles, thank you:
User Hashim-afc controversially moved the Gulf Cup of Nations page as well as each respective edition’s article without seeking WP:RM, and was denied the category move request for the same reason. Should the articles be moved back and restored?-- Bijanii ( talk) 09:19, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
@ Egghead06 and Koncorde (or anyone else): Just to note, I have a call scheduled with John Powles on Tuesday. The main focus will be properly citing and correcting inaccuracies in the Thames Ironworks season pages, but if there's anything particular you want me to raise, please let me know. Nzd (talk) 23:13, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
After hours browsing the net, found one source for his spell in Egyptian football. However, a major (potential) cockup may be on the rise: the first Egyptian club he has represented is more or less certain ( Alassiouty Sport), but regarding the second both SOCCERWAY.com and NFT.com have him playing for Raja CA (and there is this squad sheet http://www.worldfootball.net/teams/el-raja-sporting-club/ and this match sheet from the same website as well http://www.worldfootball.net/report/premiership-2017-2018-el-raja-sporting-club-zamalek/liveticker/), whereas the source I now added has him plying his trade at Tala'ea El-Gaish SC (please see here https://www.kingfut.com/2017/08/23/el-geish-sign-sporting-gijon/), two completely different ballclubs from what I understand, no?
Assistance please, I'm a bit puzzled to say the least (browsed the web with news in French or English - my Arabic is so under the weather it should have its own climate - found nothing else than the aforementioned source), cheers -- Quite A Character ( talk) 14:11, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
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Please check the contributions of this IP. Thanks!
Someone is using for a long time now, various IP's in order to add to various squad lists the name of a hypothetical player called Bruno Pereira, i.e. like over here. I'm afraid that this person is doing the same thing for a long time!!! Pavlos1988 ( talk) 22:20, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
Should we start adding Nations League into competition records sections of European national teams? Since this could be considered major competition (although it is more of a alternative qualification route for Euro) Nightfall87 ( talk) 10:23, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
I find info about John Wood (English footballer) ( http://www.greensonscreen.co.uk/gosdb-players2.asp?pid=902&scp=1,2,3,4,5,6,7). I would like to expand the article by adding a section called "career", but I was not able to rewrite it so as not to copy and paste. Someone offers to help with that? I am not a native speaker of English. Thanks you. -- Metrónomo's truth of the day: "That was also done by the president" not an excuse. 09:08, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
Protection requested for his article until his transfer is resolved one way or another, thanks. Crowsus ( talk) 10:37, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
Can please anyone have look a ChocolateRabbit ( talk · contribs) edits in Michael Ballack? He insists on shortening Chemnitzer FC to Chemnitzer which is just plain wrong (see WP:KARLSRUHER for the reasons why this is wrong). I advised him several times to stop it, but he insists on his disruptive behavior. -- Jaellee ( talk) 21:17, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
As I've said it is an essay, it is not a rule or guidline and no one has to follow it. It is complete and utter rubbish -- 🐇 Chocolate Rabbit 21:19, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
I was wondering if someone could add the archive bot to Leeds United talk page, as I don't know how to do it. Cheers. Govvy ( talk) 13:49, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
What do people think of this website? It seems to have rare stats, such as here, for Mark Molesley's 2003–04 season stats in the Isthmian League Premier Division, but the website seems difficult to use.-- Echetus Xe 14:16, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
Is the article really that noteworthy? Govvy ( talk) 17:48, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
I've done a little work on the article, but I was thinking about the Stadium section, In what order should the stadiums be? Should you have the current stadium first or the old stadium first? Just wanted some idea's on how to maybe rewrite and maybe improve that section. I am not that happy with the way it is at the moment. Govvy ( talk) 21:15, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
Or Harry Wheeler Nickson exists, I think the article needs a good cleanup not deleting, I don't think the prodd'er did a google search. Govvy ( talk) 12:23, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
An edit war is ongoing over at 2017–18 Premier League between @ Mkhp1990 and PeeJay2K3 over the inclusion of a season progression table ( diff). I personally think it's quite good but other opinions are needed. I've brought it here as inclusion would obviously affect other articles. Nzd (talk) 11:42, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
It's been bugging me for a while that qualifying tournaments for U17 and U19 Euro had two different pages for the seasons 2004 through 2014 (separately for First Round and Elite Round), and only one for every season since 2015 (for both rounds together), despite the format remained the same. How about bringing some consistency here? Either merge all or split all. -- BlameRuiner ( talk) 11:57, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
Can an admin please review the edits of User:110.35.10.122 and consider a ban? This is another of these accounts that adds random names to team squads. They have even invented a brother for Ander Iturraspe and Gorka Iturraspe and added them to the player bios as well as the team squad! Still unable to work out the point of this. Quite a lot of effort to go to for vandalism. Anyway, needs to be stopped. I've reverted a few but I'll leave the rest for the time being for you to look at. Cheers. Crowsus ( talk) 22:01, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
Can a moderator please watch Hashim-afc's actions at Gulf Cup of Nations. He moved the articles in December without seeking WP:RM and the category move request was also denied for this reason. The articles should be restored per WP:COMMONNAME as there are also other tournaments with the name "Arabian Gulf Cup", such as the UAE League Cup.-- Bijanii ( talk) 00:28, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
Swansea City have changed their website domain which leaves past URLS as redirects to the home page. I have noticed that a small number of references on Swansea City related articles (players, PL seasons etc.) have the domain swanseacity.net which redirects to the home page, rendering the source unverifiable. The first one I've noticed was on Gerhard Tremmel with the following link http://www.swanseacity.net/news/article/gt-contract-643037.aspx , which I've changed into https://web.archive.org/web/20160221045143/http://www.swanseacity.net/news/article/gt-contract-643037.aspx . The first link when clicked goes to the incorrect location of the home page but the archive URL correctly goes to the correct page. insource:"http://www.swanseacity.net/news/article" will have the complete list of pages potentially affected by the redirect problem.
InternetArchiveBot does not recognise the swanseacity.net links under the format http://www.swanseacity.net/news/article/(name).aspx as dead links so a bot would be helpful to add in the archive urls to the stated format. I have checked this through a few times, all resulting to the Swansea City home page.
Also, other football clubs may have the same problem where past URLS redirects to the wrong pages to their own club websites. It happens that I have noticed that with Swansea City on Gerhard Tremmel's article page first.
Thanks, Iggy ( Swan) 13:51, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
A revert war over the "honors" section of New York Red Bulls has taken place over the last couple of months. One user saying the awards belong, another saying they don't since they're not official. Could others take a look at this? No discussion is on-going; just the commentary in edit summaries. Since it's not happening with multiple reverts on the same day, I don't feel like it should be fully protected right now, but I'd like to see if people with more knowledge of this WikiProject's standards can help facilitate discussion there. Thanks, only ( talk) 16:56, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi, I have uploaded an Image for one of my team's players but it is way too small and no tutorials make any sense to me. The page is Collin Seedorf, if anyone could head over there and make the image a decent size that'd be helpful. Cheers! Cheesy McGee ( talk) 04:52, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
I added the infobox to the top of the page, I've put down Arsenal and Spurs sharing the charity shield, does that part look okay? I also think this was the last time that happened. I was going to put Colchester as winning the FA Trophy, but it doesn't actually confirm that in the article. It just mentions some American scoring! Govvy ( talk) 13:38, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
Erm, what consensus is Jimbo Online on about for removing flags from players? I don't even understand his usage for removing them! Govvy ( talk) 23:18, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
Jimbo has a point about the lack of referencing, but the way he goes about it can be problematic (I'd say this is being disruptive as both urls were valid). I also find it odd that he's just added a completely unreferenced squadlist to the Grays Athletic article (his crusade against unsourced nationalities seems to go back to not getting his way in a discussion over the format of the squadlist on the Grays article). And now he's blindly reverting it. Number 5 7 20:19, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
Is this list craft? Don't we just stick to cat's for this normally? Govvy ( talk) 13:43, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
Where do you submit footy articles for Peer review again? I wanted to put forward Tottenham Hotspur F.C.. Govvy ( talk) 22:42, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
How do we deal foreign players in leagues that mandates a minimum number of player/s from a particular confederation.
Here's an example for the 2018 Philippines Football League.
Club | Player 1 | Player 2 | Player 3 | AFC Player | Former Players |
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Davao Aguilas |
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Given that the Philippines Football League requires one of the foreign players to be from a Asian Football Confederation member association How does one determine which is the designated AFC player. Unless one has access to league documents (and we can't say if they do designate a individual as a club's AFC player)
I suggest this approach instead:
Club | Players | Former Players | |||
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Davao Aguilas |
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I suggest adding some sort of footnote to the table. Also note that Brad McDonald is also a Australian national.
Feedback is appreciated since this doesn't concern the PFL alone. Hariboneagle927 ( talk) 00:10, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
Does anyone know why the Soccerbase link in the External links section of the Jack Stephens (footballer) article directs to the "Games played by Jack Stephens in 2016/2017" section on the Scoccerbase website page rather than the current season? 92.24.168.129 ( talk) 23:02, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
Is this Arsenal F.C. youth player notable? As far as I can see, he has never made a first team appearance. If he does pass muster, surely the article title should be Charlie Gilmour (footballer, born 1999), with Charlie Gilmour (footballer) becoming Charlie Gilmour (footballer, born 1942). 92.26.162.135 ( talk) 14:51, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
When I go through club season articles they are all very different, I really don't think we even refer to this template do we? Also, it seems very out of date now, should we be updating it? Or even using it? There does seem to be a lack of structure across the project on season articles. Should there be some standard formatting throughout? Govvy ( talk) 11:44, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
Should it be merged into 1. FC Saarbrücken? Govvy ( talk) 14:12, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
Aren't these names too large for Wikipedia? 8Dodo8 ( talk · contribs) 10:54, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
Has this club been wound up or is it just on hiatus or what? Trying to add references to Dimitrios Kalogerakos with the aid of Google translate, I found this source, and looking at the club article to figure out what on earth happened (poor translation, relegation, or what), I find it starts in past tense but provides no coverage of the event. Help, please. Yngvadottir ( talk) 18:27, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
Three questions, do we need this on a single article? Is there another article this could be merged into? Or should we just delete it? It maybe does sound like a valid search term. Govvy ( talk) 13:04, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
I just started a head-to-head, season-by-season top-tier league record sortable table by decade for Real Sociedad Femenino. So far it's like this:
C | Team | 2010–11 | 2011–12 | 2012–13 | 2013–14 | 2014–15 | 2015–16 | 2016–17 | 2017–18 | 2018–19 | 2019–20 | Overall | ||||||||||||
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P | G | P | G | P | G | P | G | P | G | P | G | P | G | P | G | P | G | P | G | P | % | G | ||
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Albacete | 4 | +6 | 4 | +1 | 8 | 66% | +7 | ||||||||||||||||
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Athletic Bilbao | 0 | -6 | 4 | +2 | 4 | 33% | -4 | ||||||||||||||||
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Atlético Madrid | 3 | 0 | 0 | -2 | 3 | 25% | -2 | ||||||||||||||||
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Barcelona | 0 | -4 | 0 | -5 | 0 | 0% | -9 | ||||||||||||||||
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Betis | 0 | -3 | 0 | 0% | -3 | ||||||||||||||||||
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Collerense | 6 | +4 | 6 | 100% | +4 | ||||||||||||||||||
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Espanyol | 4 | +2 | 4 | +2 | 8 | 66% | +4 | ||||||||||||||||
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Granadilla | 1 | –3 | 4 | +1 | 5 | 41% | -2 | ||||||||||||||||
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Levante | 3 | +3 | 4 | +1 | 7 | 66% | +4 | ||||||||||||||||
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Oiartzun | 6 | +4 | 4 | +4 | 10 | 83% | +8 | ||||||||||||||||
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Oviedo Moderno | 6 | +4 | 6 | 100% | +4 | ||||||||||||||||||
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Rayo Vallecano | 4 | +3 | 6 | +5 | 10 | 83% | +8 | ||||||||||||||||
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Santa Teresa | 6 | +3 | 0 | -2 | 6 | 50% | +1 | ||||||||||||||||
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Sporting Huelva | 1 | -1 | 3 | 0 | 4 | 33% | -1 | ||||||||||||||||
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Tacuense | 6 | +9 | 6 | 100% | +9 | ||||||||||||||||||
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Valencia | 3 | 0 | 0 | -7 | 3 | 25% | -7 | ||||||||||||||||
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Zaragoza | 3 | -1 | 3 | +4 | 6 | 50% | +3 |
But I realized it's too large and detailed for the main article. But in List of Real Sociedad Femenino seasons it's okay to include it, right? I thought I should ask to make sure it's unlikely it gets deleted before I keep working on it and make more of them. Pakhtakorienne ( talk) 14:17, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
Please check the edit warring at Template:UEFA Champions League winners. SLBedit ( talk) 19:51, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
Why do people want to include own goals? What gets me, is adding these negative goals up on a what should only be a positive goal scorers table. I want to push for a consensus that own-goals shouldn't be included in these tables. I would like to see who is for and against this. Govvy ( talk) 16:24, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
I don't see any confusion/issues, the tables list all goals scored in favour of the club in question, which includes own goals. S.A. Julio ( talk) 18:10, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
These clubs were part of non-notable tournaments (It is not part of Pakistani domestic set-up). They are:
I was about to take them to AfD but came here to have the final words. Ping me if anyone replies. Thanks. Störm (talk) 12:16, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
The header of the Russian Women's Football Championship article says: The Russian Women's Football Championship ( Russian: ЧЕМПИОНАТ РОССИИ ПО ЖЕНСКОМУ ФУТБОЛУ), also known as the Top Division, is the highest professional women's football league in Russia.
The article from the Russian Wikipedia is also titled nearly the same way, while the header simply says The Russian Women's Football Championship has been held since 1992. In 1990 and 1991 the USSR Championship was held. (I translated it though Google). The thing is that each season article, like this one, includes all three categories: the Vysshaya Liga (Supreme/Major League), the Pervaya Liga (First League) and the Vtoraya Liga (Second League). While the Russian Cup has its own articles.
We lack any articles about the second and third tiers. Should they be added to the Russian Women's Football Championship ones, or should we create their own articles and rename the top-tier articles as Russian Women's Football Supreme/Top/Major League/Division? Regardless, I think the header should be changed since the Championship is more than just the Top Division.
This also applies to the Soviet women's football championship, which also had three levels. Pakhtakorienne ( talk) 15:34, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
He replaced links to FC Steaua București from 1985–86 European Cup with links to 2017-founded fourth league club CSA Steaua București (football), despite UEFA [2] and Romanian Football Federation stating that FC Steaua Bucuresti (actual name is FCSB) is the owner of the records. Also CSA Steaua is a copied article from FCSB. Currently CSA Steaua sued FCSB for the trophies but the result will be known in 2019 the earliest. 8Dodo8 ( talk · contribs) 09:40, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
Hi everyone, I'm a member of the Italian Wiki. I have just a minor question: how should we write the Arabic surnames with the "Al" and "El" prefix? For example: Mohamed Al-Deayea, Mahmoud El-Gohary and so on. Should we use the -? Should we write the A and the E in capital letters? Thanks, VAN ZANT ( talk) 20:36, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
Esport squad list? I removed it once, I don't see how they are notable and relivent to the football article. Maybe someone else can remove it so I don't get into some stupid edit war. Govvy ( talk) 21:51, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
Getting really really tiresome... both IP addresses and user accounts keep changing his departure from Panionios F.C. in 2018 - in the box, that is - in spite of the reference #22 stating he was released on 26 DECEMBER 2017. Do the guidelines not state we must adhere to year of start/end rather than season?
Attentively (P.S. I messaged the account mentioned above regarding the subject) -- Quite A Character ( talk) 14:38, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
For women's football team articles that have a List of seasons article as well as a season-by-season vertical table in its main article, wouldn't it be better to change the latter for timelines like those you find in some articles about Russian male teams along with a link, since you have a expanded version of that table in the LoS article? Like...
instead of the current table in Levante UD Femenino? And maybe the UEFA Competition Record section could be summarized too or linked upon the third timeline since it's also covered in two linked articles? Then the Titles section could be checked along with the season-to-season timeline without having to scroll down the page. Pakhtakorienne ( talk) 14:06, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
If they are to be used (and I'm not convince of their purpose when there is a separate list), would it not be simpler to use a Wikitable, which would also be more customisable – e.g. being able to add links to individual seasons (see below). Number 5 7 14:53, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
Summary of the last ten seasons | ||||||||||
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Season | 2008–09 | 2009–10 | 2010–11 | 2011–12 | 2012–13 | 2013–14 | 2014–15 | 2015–16 | 2016–17 | 2017–18 |
Division | Primera División | |||||||||
Position | 1st | 2nd | 8th | 9th | 5th | 4th | 5th | 5th | 4th | 4th |
Copa de la Reina | QF | QF | R16 | SF | SF | QF | SF | QF | ||
UEFA Women's Cup | R16 | DNQ | DNQ | DNQ | DNQ | DNQ | DNQ | DNQ | DNQ | DNQ |
Summary of the last ten seasons | ||||||||||
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Season | 08–09 | 09–10 | 10–11 | 11–12 | 12–13 | 13–14 | 14–15 | 15–16 | 16–17 | 17–18 |
Division | Primera División | |||||||||
Position | 1st | 2nd | 8th | 9th | 5th | 4th | 5th | 5th | 4th | 4th |
Copa de la Reina | QF | QF | R16 | SF | SF | QF | SF | QF | ||
UEFA Women's Cup | R16 | DNQ |
Hi, can I get some community input on this particular AfD discussion? I feel like additional input from WP:FOOTY would be helpful for this discussion. Thanks! Jay eyem ( talk) 01:02, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
Is there anyway to block a range of IPs that cover ones starting with 2A02 maybe? There is a person who uses IPs that begin with that [3] [4] and [5] that makes disruptive edits to articles to add this fake player as well as other annoying edits. I've even done a google advance search and clean up old articles where the player was added in the past. I'm not sure if anything can be done but would be good if others know of a way? NZFC (talk) 22:20, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
Since when do you add assists in stats tables? Didn't think we are suppose to do that? Govvy ( talk) 00:03, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
Can I just check, does the national cup eligibility criterion at WP:FOOTYN include preliminary/qualification rounds? Ta, Nzd (talk) 22:15, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
Is the article getting an overhaul or screwed over? Harambe Walks has removed a load of BBC refs and even added a Daily Mail one!! :/ Govvy ( talk) 22:27, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
I suspect this edit is vandalism, can someone from the Wikiproject please comment either way? Andrewa ( talk) 03:09, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
There is clearly controversy around Arsenal's promotion to the First Division almost a century ago. User:TonyAttwood, presumably the writer for The History of Arsenal blog ( [7]) has tried to introduce an opposing viewpoint on these events into the Wikipedia article 1919–20 Football League, citing his own blog. Although I outlined on his talk page why I thought that his edit introduced more problems than it solved, there could nevertheless be value in what he is trying to do. If anyone has sufficient knowledge of this era of football or access to relevant source materials, it may be worth taking a look at this. However, if such a viewpoint is worthy of inclusion then it needs to be added more seamlessly, rather than as a critique of the article's existing content. -- Jameboy ( talk) 18:08, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
I have re-moved the page back to "soccer" per the discussion on the talk page and also since I was unable to find another discussion that overturned that consensus. I am wondering if, since he is a manager for a Premier League club and played his entire club career in Germany, whether or not the page should use the term "football" rather than "soccer," or if these terms should be changed accordingly. Cheers. Jay eyem ( talk) 18:26, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
Is this list overkill and listcraft? We have categories for this type of thing! Govvy ( talk) 23:26, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
As some may be aware, blocked user User:Durneydiaz had created a series of articles that were moved to WP:Draftspace in the middle of last year. Some of these may be notable however deletions under CSD criterion G13 have begun. List is this way. Hack ( talk) 08:15, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
Would someone from FOOTY mind taking a look at Talk:Football Association of Selangor? I'm not sure why it's redirecting to Talk:Selangor FA, unless the article is also supposed to be a redirect. Thanks in advance. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 22:45, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
Medhi Benatia was moved to Mehdi Benatia. The correct spelling of his name was always disputed in the past, so I think that this should not be done without discussing the move first. Where should I start this move discussion? Here? On the article talk page? -- Jaellee ( talk) 22:51, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
There is a football-related deletion review on Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2018 February 14, you can go there and have your own comment about Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2018 UPSL season, thanks! Hhhhhkohhhhh ( talk) 16:26, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
Hello all.
User:Fenix down has nominated the Agustin Gómez article for deletion, given their reasons it seems to be the correct call but I'd like further clarification. I, not sure why given the current notability guideline, always thought playing in a cup competition for a professional league club was enough for notability no matter the opponent, but Fenix down has shown the guideline actually states it must be between two professional league clubs. In the Agustin Gómez case, he played for AIK (Allsvenskan, professional) against Värmbols (Swedish Football Division 2, not professional). I thought that was enough, as if a player for (e.g.) Manchester United or Tottenham Hotspur did the same they'd be notable without passing GNG. Is that not the case? As I said, it seems Fenix down is correct but I've came here for a bit of clarification. Thanks. R96Skinner ( talk) 01:21, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
Not quite sure, but maybe an issue here? At Dinis Almeida, i reverted User:Fodbold-fan and was reverted (OK, maybe i again should not have used rollback), as they used what i perceive to be an unreliable source for the subject's new team and also did not write in the proper section (club career, in this case) but (as always) in the introduction.
I was hysterically reverted (yes, who am I to point out the hysterics in anyone, I know), being told to "look at the source", which reads "SC Braga contrata central Dinis Almeida, que na última época esteve no Belenenses.", translated "SC Braga hire central defender Dinis Almeida, who was with Belenenses last season.". Is that a LOAN how, if you don't mind me asking?
The competence issue may also stem from the fact this user does not reply to anyone (they did sporadically in the past, as here https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=User_talk:Fodbold-fan&diff=757831463&oldid=757830835#January_2017), but i have notified them of this discussion (additionally, i also browsed both the French and the Portuguese webs for reliable sources, found nothing amazingly). Attentively -- Quite A Character ( talk) 19:03, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for that input, but what's the relevance for the matter at hand? We are trying to find a reliable source for his loan (supposing his Instagram is telling the truth, that is), it is 100% sure he is working with Braga. -- Quite A Character ( talk) 23:23, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
My two cents: The first revert of Fodbold-fan's changes was done without any explanation and following edit summaries from both of you were confrontational, if not inflammatory. All of that is not helpful. And yes, Fodbold-fan usually only updates the lede and not the club career section. They don't update the squad template and don't add the category. I regularly find myself cleaning up after them. But I'd rather see incomplate/lazy updates to a player's page than none at all. Robby.is.on ( talk) 10:58, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
Hi there. I've been thinking for a while about how we display squad sections in under-23/academy sections. Apologies for the lengthy treatise that follows. So, the theory: Users aren't served well by the squad template that's found on the main club page. My instinct is that users will be visiting the under-23/academy article pages principally to see how their side's development players are progressing (I'm working on the assumption that only clubs of relative size who have quite distinct first-team/development side set-ups will have these articles). How old they are, how many players they have in a certain position, are they internationally capped, a professional yet etc. They won't be looking to click around numerous articles with little information in them - and indeed a lot of these players won't have articles. This sort of summary can frequently be found in season articles for first-team players, but development players don't tend to be included. And we have these nice articles waiting...
So my suggestion would be to provide a single sortable table including all academy scholars (as these players will frequently be in the under-23 side pretty quickly) and a selection of any players the club has who are under the age of 23 (more on this in a sec). Columns for name, nationality, birthday/age, position would be fairly standard, other possibilities might be professional status (scholar, scholar with professional deal, professional - an alternative might be a yes/no column), contract expiry, place of birth, highest international representation, place of birth, first-team appearances (and goals?), out on loan (I'd suggest including players that are out in the main table, because users will still want to see them in relation to their peers), joined date (and from?), a general notes column if you wanted to consolidate some of these. Sourcing some of this information might be a challenge, but most of these clubs are big enough that the information is there for the majority of players.
The closest existing examples of what I'm talking about that I'm aware of are Leeds United F.C. Reserves and Youth Team and Everton F.C. Reserves and Academy. With the latter, I had a play with adding some of the stuff I've been talking about above/below (some of it has been changed since, hence the URL link).
The next question is who to include...
So that's it, really. To summarise, I think this proposal would provide an improved selection of information for the users. My inclination would be go with including loan players and go with all under-23 players, with a combination of table information/prose that marks out players who may have progressed beyond this stage for the most part. It'd be good to reach some sort of consensus on this idea, not because I think these sorts of articles are ever going to be completely standardised, but just so whether we agree it's something to work towards. Cheers, HornetMike ( talk) 20:28, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
Al Fanar SC was recently moved (in good faith) to El Fanar SC by @ Egyptian Premier League. I have asked via the user's talk page for references to corroborate this, but the references provided relate to the word, rather than the club itself. Google searches overwhelmingly indicate the club is known as Al Fanar in English-speaking sources, so while this might not be technically correct per this user's reasoning (which I have no reason to doubt), I don't think the current page name satisfies WP:COMMONNAME. If anyone has any particular knowledge of this area, or can point to any precident for this kind of thing, that'd be great. If not, I'll probably WP:RM it for additional consensus. Nzd (talk) 02:20, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
Hello all, should an article include an External link to {{soccerbase}} if it's been used already as a citation within the article? Seems to be standard practice on hundreds of existing articles, but GiantSnowman doesn't think it should be included on Moses Makasi here. Seems to be a case of WP:OWNERSHIP on an article created by GiantSnowman. Thoughts? JMHamo ( talk) 21:12, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
Are they suppose to be linked up in certain formats or not, didn't really say on WP:£ when to link or when not too. Govvy ( talk) 21:14, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
I'm hoping that the members of WP:FOOTBALL can help me establish a case for whether a match article I have recently published is notable or not as I am presently struggling to rack my head around how exactly Wikipedia defines notability for matches not related to cup finals. I recently published this article and attempted to put it through DYK. I was successful in the review, as can be seen, but when the article was put into the DYK queue it was pulled at the last stage, originally on grounds of tone (now fixed) before ultimately being kicked out of the process entirely because the article had previously been deleted. This is indeed the case, but the deletion in question (which I would argue was a close-run thing between Keep and Delete in the first place) was seven and a half years ago now and I feel that the increase in articles made about individual matches in the meantime begs the question whether a re-evaluation of notability is warranted for this article.
If the consensus here is that the match is notable then I will of course use this to make up my mind on whether to reattempt the DYK process. If the consensus is that it is not notable then I will accept it and will abandon the article to its fate, AfD or no, but I would however like to follow it up by questioning what exactly WP:FOOTBALL's policy is on match notability and whether it is time that one be written, because I don't believe that it has ever actually been put down in writing here. I would however like to add that my personal take is that the article I have made is substantially less notable in the long term than, say, Battle of Old Trafford, Liverpool F.C. 4–3 Newcastle United F.C. (1996) or Manchester United F.C. 3–5 West Bromwich Albion F.C. (1978), and I favour the opinion that if any match is notable enough to continue to receive references or praise in the national press some time after the original game took place (i.e. after most matches would have been forgotten about by the majority of fans, especially of other clubs) then it should be considered worthy of an article.
If anyone has any questions about my opinions and my motives for creating my article I will answer them but otherwise I would prefer to watch this discussion from the sidelines rather than attempt to influence this discussion further. Falastur2 Talk 20:28, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
Quite the conundrum... I think it was i who wrote most of his storyline (years ago), which includes the international career of course; not sure where i based myself on to say he appeared TWICE at the 2007 Copa América, but quite probably on NFT.com (Soccerway.com also has him featuring in two group phase matches. Last but not least, that edition of the tournament seems to be the first without any RSSSF link, at least one that can be found in Wikipedia).
After "years of laziness" (if you will) i decided to add more refs to the piece, which leads to the following: ALL the newspaper/akin sources say it was Ysrael Zúñiga who came for Claudio Pizarro and not Ísmodes (examples here https://noticias.uol.com.br/ultnot/afp/2007/06/30/ult34u184766.jhtm, here http://www.abc.es/hemeroteca/historico-01-07-2007/abc/Deportes/venezuela-gana-a-peru-(2-0)-y-entra-en-la-historia_1634020392434.html, here http://www.espn.cl/futbol/partido?juegoId=214663 or here https://www.eluniverso.com/2007/07/01/0001/15/23044F20BB704D8391C11E4E5314A3D1.html). What shall we do with the evidence presented, please?
Attentively -- Quite A Character ( talk) 21:55, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
The CONMEBOL match sheet also shows Ísmodes as the one who played ( https://web.archive.org/web/20070929100105/http://www.conmebol.com/competiciones_evento_reporte.jsp?evento=1055&ano=2007&dv=1&flt=A&id=8&slangab=E). However, in this YouTube video (please see here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1n2sCXGyqPs), around the 3:58 mark, we see #11 to the left after Paolo Guerrero's shot that goes way over the bar. According to WP, #11 was Zúñiga; whatever, i'll edit Ísmodes' storyline now, sorry to bother you. -- Quite A Character ( talk) 19:54, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
I am only taking into consideration the fact that only SOCCERWAY/NFT/CONMEBOL give that cap to Ísmodes, all the newspaper articles (plus the YTube video) say it was Zúñiga. The latter's NFT.com entry does not give him that cap, like i said they give it to Ísmodes.
As far as i am concerned, article stays the way it is, if anyone has a better idea... -- Quite A Character ( talk) 21:21, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
I have had a minor talk with @ Jon Kolbert: about the possibility of formatting the sub-domains of Soccerway.com from e.g. 'https:uk.soccerway.com' to 'https:int.soccerway.com', the 'int' is the most common sub-domain of Soccerway as that avoids different language reading. Soccerway might disable all the subdomains except for the https:int.soccerway.com domain but there's no reason for that to happen yet. Iggy ( Swan) 18:15, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
Soccerway and other sources in the article say that he played for the U21 and U23 (Premier League 2) teams of WBA and Stoke City. One article also mentions that he signed his first professional contract with WBA in 2015.
So, I'm not sure about his infobox and club career stats. Should WBA and Stoke appear as senior clubs or as youth clubs? He didn't make any Premier League apps for them. 8Dodo8 ( talk · contribs) 10:00, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
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@ Chanheigeorge, S.A. Julio, Skyblueshaun, and Kante4: Good evening. I am having a dispute with @ Crowsus: as he is questioning UEFA.com source about two own goals scored in benefit of Athletic Bilbao and flooding it with other sources stating that they weren't own goals, some of them obviously not neutral. In fact, Crowsus is not neutral too, as he identifies himself as being an Athletic fan. One of the own goals was on last match on Thursday against Spartak Moscow and the other one was at a 2012–13 match against HJK. He also presents YouTube videos trying to prove his points, with no success, as on Spartak's case it's an obvious own goal (UEFA.com's right) and on HJK's case it's next to impossible to prove UEFA.com is wrong. On the other hand, if we approve this without much discussion, it can be a bad precedent on which several UEFA.com reports may be questioned without consistent basis. I would like to remind the case involving the 2016–17 Vojvodina vs Dinamo Minsk match, on which UEFA.com version was obviously wrong (attributing Dinamo's goal to Bykov instead of Budnik). It was discussed at length before a final decision to go against UEFA source. Some time later, UEFA.com corrected the report. I am not interested in an edit war, so I would like to invite you to intervene. Anyway, I thank you all for the attention. The Replicator ( talk) 22:10, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
@ The Replicator, S.A. Julio, and Koncorde: Hi folks, well there hasn't really been enough input to establish consensus either way, I'm not really into arguments (despite how it appears from those edits) so I'll back out from the UEFA pages, however I have added the same notes (not changing the existing display itself) to the club season articles which I hope will be acceptable, particularly since the stats for the seasons are primarily sourced from the Athletic Bilbao website, which has a different stat to the organisers of the tournament in question. For the Toquero goal, it actually showed it as his, so the note was switched around to mention the UEFA side of things! Thanks. Crowsus ( talk) 23:06, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
There is a user who is edit-warring by insering a 5 column list at former players section without understanding that the names of the players are being broken into 2 lines then making it very unesthetic. Also, we are dealing with an imature newbye who leaves this sort of edit-summaries: FK Partizan is ugly as fuck! or Keep watching your small club and don't worry about European and World champions. In order not to break the 3RR rule I would appeciate very much if someone could assist me and explain to that user why 3 columns are prefered over the ridiculous 5 which brake names of players in 2 lines. FkpCascais ( talk) 12:05, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
Just created a proper storyline for Ricardo Moura. In view of the presented contents (or part of them), a question: since the exploit was achieved during his YOUTH career, does he get the "Association football goalkeepers who have scored" category or not?
Attentively, thanks in advance -- Quite A Character ( talk) 17:38, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
I was trying to compose/clean the last (unref'd) additions to manager Albert Roca and i think i managed more or less, but this leads to the question as i cannot read it anywhere here: how did the team promote to the Indian Super League if they were not in such a position last year in the I-League? I'm baffled...
Attentively, thank you very much in advance -- Quite A Character ( talk) 22:13, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
The article Marcos Tiago Bernard Rodriguez has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
Not notable. No significant coverage, and does not meet WP:NFOOTBALL as he had no appearances in professional matches. I checked with editors on ja.wiki to see if there were any Japanese sources which could establish notability (as the only citation is in Japanese), but they could only find one guide book with a cursory mention with his vital stats, which are the only details in this article.
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That version is biased (pro Fiorentina) mostly about to the 1981-82 serie A: at that time the regulation favored the goalkeeper and defenders before the doubt (not since 1990 that favors the forwards) and the contact of viola's player with the goalkeeper exists. Regarding the penalty of Brady, the ball touched the arm of the Avellino player in the goal line as anyone can see in web video. In addition, that and this source (blog and this source says that Brady's penalty was evident) are supporters websites, both are not certainly a reliable sources. The draft is also and wrong: among others, in 1990 UEFA Cup 2nd leg final, Fiorentina has not played in Franchi Stadium because the stadium was banned due to riots of viola ultrà in the semi-final match against Werder Bremen according UEFA.com.-- Dantetheperuvian ( talk) 01:07, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
@ Dantetheperuvian: Stadio Artemio Franchi was not banned, because the semifinal was not in that stadium in the first place. Look: http://www.calcio.com/cronaca_partita/europa-league-1989-1990-halbfinale-acf-fiorentina-werder-bremen/ https://www.ilpost.it/2014/03/20/storie-juventus-fiorentina/ the match was in Perugia which was banned. Second link will also show you that Stadio Artemio Franchi was under reconstruction for the World Cup I see that you read Italian. The goal for Fiorentina is a clear goal to me, but obviously not everyone will agree on this account. About the penalty to Juventus, I agree but people in Firenze were still how do you say annoyed with the goal. Also, in that time, there was no video review, which has only come in serie A this year so what people saw is what they thought. I will try to make this clearer in the article however. In your link you posted, storie di calcio, for the fiorentina-cagliari match, look on the video around 6m 15s. That is a clear penalty to Catanzaro, but not awarded. No one is saying this is the biggest rivalry in Italy, or even close to Milano derby or Roma derby. but it is a big rivalry for Fiorentina, one of the big teams of Serie A. For Juve, not so much... It is not a regional rivalry like Fiorentina - Empoli or Fiorentina - Siena because it was not borne out of the same region as the main point. If the 1982 title had not happened, the 1990 final, and the transfer of Baggio right after the final, nobody would care to this day.
Yes, the 'home stadium' was banned in Perugia I did mention that earlier, but it wasn't Stadio Artemio Franchi - we both agree here (and the article can be edited to make this clearer). There is no certainty, but it is a penalty. A penalty has a very high chance of being converted so it is obvious that people will be annoyed with this decision. Also, if there was Internazionale or Milano or Roma or Nazio or any other team and the exact same thing happened in the history, it would still be a rivalry in the eyes of Fiorentina fans. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.70.154.34 ( talk) 06:39, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
A few editors giving views at Talk:Juventus F.C. would be very welcome. They cannot seem to agree. Many thanks. Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 15:31, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
Why are articles about men’s national football teams consistently (except for the USA) named “National football team”, instead of “Men’s national football team? Articles on women’s national football teams are named “Women’s national football team”. Most nations have two national football teams, a men’s national football team and a women’s national football team. Both are national football teams. Therefore, it seems odd to me that articles about men’s national football teams are named “National football team”. This seems to be phenomena in football. See articles about national ice hockey teams:
Kindest regards / EriFr ( talk) 19:03, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
I was wondering if we should have a more permanent protection on his article, it does seem to be vandalised a lot. Govvy ( talk) 09:44, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
I've noticed on some pages that some editors are combining cells together into one cell. I am taking Goals table again as my example on 2017–18 Real Madrid C.F. season. But for mathematical tables, I don't think you should be combining these cells together at all. In WP:Manual of Style/Tables when cells are combined that is text data, thats okay. But all mathematical data examples don't combine cells together at all. The First of a column could be treated as text, but in numbers this is different, so back to the table for goals on Real Madrids season page. I am pretty sure we shouldn't be combining numerical data into an end cell representing the out come for multiple rows in one cell. I also believe this shouldn't be done on WP:ACCESS grounds for those with learning disabilities, so a row of numerical data should be clear for all that read it.
So can we agree to look into this issue. Thanks. Govvy ( talk) 13:24, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
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was added to parameter, however in some real case i don't see that problem (e.g. Rank | Player | Position | La Liga | Copa del Rey | UEFA CL | Other1 | Total |
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1 |
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FW | 12 | 0 | 11 | 3 | 26 |
2 |
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MF | 6 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 10 |
3 |
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FW | 6 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 9 |
4 |
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FW | 3 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 7 |
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MF | 5 | 1 | 0 | 1 | ||
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FW | 3 | 3 | 1 | 0 | ||
7 |
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MF | 4 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 5 |
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FW | 1 | 3 | 1 | 0 | ||
9 |
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MF | 4 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 |
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DF | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | ||
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DF | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | ||
12 |
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DF | 2 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 3 |
13 |
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MF | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 |
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MF | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | ||
15 |
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DF | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
Own goals | 2 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 3 | ||
Total | 58 | 11 | 20 | 10 | 99 |
This is what I am talking about, merging cell numerical numbers like the final column, I don't think we should be doing that on any table. Govvy ( talk) 14:48, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
Hello to all footie wikipedians,
I needed your opinion on something: right now there is a debate going on Persian wikipedia about the matches that end up in a draw after the extra time and are decided on penalty shootouts and that how they are concluded? A win for the side that won the penalty shootouts or a draw? I ask this because here I can see almost all the matches that ended in a draw after the extra times are considered draw for both sides, including 1994 world cup final here in Brazil Italy rivalry, 2006 world cup final here on France Italy rivalry and numerous matches between Milan and Juventus here on Milan Juventus rivalry where they had matches that were decided on penalty shootouts. On Persian wikipedia on the other hand they are saying that the side that won the penalty shootouts is also the winner of the match itself and to my surprise against all these examples and the rules and the regulations they keep on insisting about it. Now I would like to ask your experienced opinion about it, is it a win or a draw?
Thanks to all, cheers-- Vathlu ( talk) 17:06, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
Can someone move/approve Draft:2019 Africa U-20 Cup of Nations qualification to 2019 Africa U-20 Cup of Nations qualification? The draw has now been made. TheBigJagielka ( talk) 19:52, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
84.238.244.221 ( talk · contribs) has been placing Cristiano Ronaldo over Lionel Messi again and again in Most Ballon d'Or (1956–2009, 2016–) + FIFA Ballon d'Or (2010–2015), despite the fact that Messi was the first to be awarded five times. SLBedit ( talk) 19:07, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
Is an article for Der Klassiker necessary? The article is misleading, the match is not a "classic" as the name implies, as there is hardly a historical rivalry between the two teams. The term only started being used recently by non-German media and is not WP:SUSTAINED. Would be better suited as a redirect to the section in Football rivalries in Germany. S.A. Julio ( talk) 22:58, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
Hmm, I see you have removed the link to the article from the Bayern and Dortmund templates S.A. Julio, which seems like a sneaky move to me. Even if you don't respect the topic, the article has existed for three years and is undeniably related to the two clubs, so is valid to be there unless there came a point where it was deleted altogether. Crowsus ( talk) 00:52, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
Is there any real need for this article to exist? The list for the official award is incomplete, and there's plenty of other minor awards that have no reason to be there, as well as the North East award which has players who didn't play for the club. I'm not against club awards in general, but this one is a complete mess. APM ( talk) 21:30, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
Someone has proposed that EFL Cup be moved back to Football League Cup because the competition is apparently still referred to colloquially as the "League Cup". The discussion can be found at Talk:EFL Cup#Requested move 27 February 2018. – Pee Jay 15:55, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
Can an uninvolved admin please review and close this August 2017 merge discussion and this October 2017 merge discussion? Giant Snowman 16:18, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
Articles for Creation has a significant number of football articles waiting for review. I was doing some that meet SNG, but the ones that do not meet SNG I have left alone for now. A couple that I checked have played in second tier leagues, and have articles on other wikis, so they could be included if we wanted. I did not want to accept a bunch of articles to only have them all be immediately AfD'ed.
Anyways I use this tool to sort by WikiProject, so you can filter and find the footy ones easily. If you want to get into AfC reviewing, please view the project. Thanks! Kees08 (Talk) 23:32, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
User:SportsFan007 Moved it without consultation can we move it back, I feel it requires discussion before any possible move. Govvy ( talk) 21:31, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
@ SportsFan007: Multiple issues can arise when moving pages, I never suggested to go ahead and move any pages right now, I was just discussing possible outcomes. I don't mean to be rude, but you should really should consult the project or talk pages in future before doing actions like this. Govvy ( talk) 09:48, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
There is a thread in Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User:MigenMemelli and 3RR on adding trivia to article regarding user and ip keep on adding trivial award / recognition "Heia fotball Glory Hall " by Norwegian radio program to Gabriel Batistuta article. Thank you. Matthew_hk t c 13:33, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
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Someone using the IP address range has made edits to Brighton & Hove Albion players, updating stats but updating them in the format 'Monday 1st January 2018', which does not comply with WP:MOSDATE and therefore have been corrected by other editors. The latest I have noticed was on Glenn Murray which I've fixed recently. If anyone notices similar activity from this range of IP addresses, please correct the format as soon as someone sees the change first. Thanks, Iggy ( talk) 11:49, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
There is a move review about article UAE Arabian Gulf League on Wikipedia:Move review/Log/2018 January, you can have some comment on Wikipedia:Move review/Log/2018 January, thanks! Hhhhhkohhhhh ( talk) 12:14, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
Can I have some opinions on the talk page for Jamie Robson regarding recent media coverage of alleged drink-driving, please? There was a similiar recent discussion here regarding David Moyes and an alleged assault, where the consensus was it didn't need to be in the article. Jellyman ( talk) 14:26, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi,
Should the "manager" column in the 'Personnel and kits' section of league season articles (see 2017–18 Premier League#Personnel and kits) only list the last manager or all managers over the season?
At the moment the standard seems to be only the most recent manager, which seems to me to be recentism, and could mislead readers into thinking that only those managers managed. For one particularly bad example of this, see the 2015/16 article, which lists Everton F.C.'s managers as being Joe Royle and David Unsworth, who managed one game (the last of the season), with no mention in that section of Roberto Martinez, manager for most of the season that the article is about.
I've checked a few other league articles and they all only have one manager listed, even in cases where clubs have many over the season. I think these should be changed to list all managers who took charge of the club over the season, with dates where necessary. OZOO (t) (c) 20:45, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
A few IP editors ( 82.137.9.167, 82.137.13.149, 82.137.13.244, 82.208.187.11) have been changing links from "[[FC Steaua București|Steaua București]]" to "[[FCSB | FCSB]]". I am aware of the controversy regarding the naming of the club but as far as I know, the change goes against current convention. They edits started on 30 December and have continued until today while other editors and I have been repeatedly reverting the changes. Should the IP editors be blocked? Robby.is.on ( talk) 11:56, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
I have posted an update on the Harry Roberts date of birth issue, which was brought here by @ Jesi last month. I am now suggesting that we move the page based on new information. Thanks, Nzd (talk) 05:11, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
I’ve seen at Real Madrid C.F. and FC Barcelona, also Juventus F.C. use squad field boxes to show the squad from a Champions League title win. Since the squad can be found at the Final’s page, these are probably not necessary on a club article? Vaselineeeeeeee ★★★ 05:47, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
FA articles about Manchester United and Liverpool don't included it. Details like that are more important for technichal articles like these about single matches, not in generic articles like these about the clubs.-- Dantetheperuvian ( talk) 06:00, 5 January 2018 (UTC) Juventus article's weight is near 50 kb. over the limit in en.wiki and this make more difficult the access and read.
Quick survey, let's get "voting" if you please,
in your opinion, what outline is the more suitable/habitual for a football bio? The current or this one (please see here https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Unai_Emery&diff=815965378&oldid=815788574)? The latter contains the personal life content in a section in its own right, the former has it all mingled with playing career, so much the confusion that now the title is humungous ("Early life and playing career"). The latter mentions player position in the introduction, the former in the body of article.
The former version contains wikilinks of a competition (i.e. UEFA Champions League) AND seasons of a given competition, the latter is having none of that and removed all instances of the competition, leaving only the given season. The wording of versions X and Y is only a minor aspect i believe, it can and will always be adjusted/corrected.
Attentively, thanks for any input that can be provided -- Quite A Character ( talk) 21:21, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi, I edit the Inverness CT Season pages, mainly editing out minor errors and updating fixtures etc. But this season page in particular is all over the place, showing incorrect results, for example Inverness 1–0 Celtic would be labeled as a loss to Inverness. And I can't do anything about it, as it is an unfamiliar template, and I have no clue how to change the colour of the box. I am only familiar with "Football Box Collapsible" which most articles are in. So, can someone check it out and fix it please. Thanks, Cheesy McGee ( talk) 20:27, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
Hello all. Apart from a few exceptions, there have been no two national championships within a year in Europe. In Turkey there was the Turkish National Division (from 1937 to 1950) and the Turkish Football Championship (from 1924 to 1951). Thus they existed at the same time for about 14 years and there were two national football champions in those years.
Now my question is how to put that into the European football template of a specific year/season.
For example into this one:
I have added the National Division, but the Turkish Football Championship was also held that year. How would you implement it into the template? Any suggestions are welcome. Regards, Akocsg ( talk) 00:02, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
See e.g. Category:Celtic F.C. Under-20s and Academy players. I think these are pointless, particularly if a player has both youth and senior time with a club and will therefore be in two categories...thoughts welcome. Giant Snowman 13:16, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
On the books is exactly what we have, and what it should remain - otherwise we end up with incomplete/inaccurate pictures of a player's career. Giant Snowman 16:00, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
Yes, that is what I'm proposing. We now have situations where clubs (e.g. Chelsea) buy players, loan them out and never use them for their own first team. Is it realistic to call someone like that a "Chelsea player"? It's more akin to the American baseball system, where teams acquire (sign, draft or trade) players, only use them in their minor league teams and they never progress to the Major League level with that organisation. Jmorrison230582 ( talk) 11:31, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
I am not a part of this WikiProject but I have doubt to clarify this. I recently created an article, Pundarika Prathanmitr a Thai woman cricketer who was born in 13 November 1990 and I also found a source (Eurosport) [ https://www.eurosport.com/football/pundarika-prathanmitr_prs281354/person.shtml stating that Pundarika Prathanmitr is a Thai footballer who was also born in 13 November 1990 similar to that of the cricketer. (Probably Eurosport could be an unreliable source) But I didn't find any football article links to prove that there isn't any notable footballers with this similar name. On the other hand, apart from Eurosport I couldn't find any football related sources to verify my doubts. Please help me out here. Abishe ( talk) 16:35, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi. I want to know whether editors are of the opinion of removing unsourced "managerial statistics", "top scorers" and "highest appearances" in club articles. Also what are your opinion on the notes column present in these tables, which are often filled with information like "youngest manager in the league" and so on. RRD ( talk) 09:22, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
I don't think an asterisk and a note that the stats only relate to the domestic league is user-friendly. It's similar to small print and people understandably don't see it and assume the stats are wrong. Should the heading "Senior career" not be changed to "Senior league career" or "Senior domestic league career" to make things clearer? Stuart1234 ( talk) 19:41, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
Idea: I think it will be a good idea to create a Wiki guide/rules for merging football club articles
Use: Similar like the guide we have for e.g. WP:FPL.
Reason: Inconsistency.
For example most will agree
Rangers F.C. are still the same club when they reformed.
A.C.R. Messina have one article but technically legally there were 7 different clubs (many Italian teams like this).
Newport County A.F.C. has 1 article.
Darlington 1883 was a phoenix club but when the successor changed their name to the same as the historic folded club's,
Darlington F.C., the two articles were merged.
Etar Veliko Tarnovo have 3 articles but there is a clear continuation in time-line, the crest, strip, and colours, as well as the fans are all the same.
Counter productive to have 7 Messina articles and 3 Etar ones.
Proposed rules:
1. Colours, crest, location the same
2. Substantial link in name
3. No split in continuation (i.e. not reformed before club ceased to exist)
4. No surrounding controversy
5. No more than 1 existing successor club
Implementation:
Simple tick and cross for each point to determine whether to merge or not.
Examples:
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FCU Craiova &
CS Universitatea Craiova: Pass 1,2,3; Fail 4,5, as CSU exists alongside in 4th division; no merge
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VfB Leipzig &
Lokomotive Leipzig: Pass 2,3,4,5; Fail 1; split
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BSG Chemie Leipzig (1950) &
BSG Chemie Leipzig (1997): Pass 1,2,5; Fail 3; Debate 4; no merge
-
CSU Vointa Sibiu &
LSS Vointa Sibiu: Pass 1,2,3,4,5; merge
-
Juan Aurich (1922–1992) &
Aurich–Cañaña &
Juan Aurich de Chiclayo &
Juan Aurich de La Victoria: Pass 1,2,3 (
Deportivo Cañaña unmerged), 4, 5; merge
Please tell me what you think of those proposals.
Abcmaxx (
talk)
17:47, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
In general, I think if a club has been established to replace one that has folded and see itself as a successor, then we should stick to one article for simplicity and convenience for the reader. If you read up on club histories, many of them folded and reformed a few times in their history, so there's no reason to treat modern interruptions any differently IMO. Number 5 7 11:33, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
Can someone please find a reliable source for his return to Everton on 31 January 2012 (source #7)? ZEROZERO is quite harmless as a link for Portuguese/Portugal-based players (it is spot-on in 99,99999999999999999% of the cases), but not reliable as a source for WP as its content is user-generated.
Oddly enough, i searched the web like crazy, found nothing (reliable, that is). Attentively, thanks in advance for whatever can be provided -- Quite A Character ( talk) 23:46, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi, I'd like to propose a change to the format of honours section at Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Players. I don't believe it is necessary to have level three headings to divide club, international and individual honours, and that the bold text headings would be sufficient. I would use level three headings to separate playing and managerial honours, if necessary. Here is an example of what I think would be a better layout. Thanks, Mattythewhite ( talk) 02:11, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
Can we get some clarification over the status of WP:KARLSRUHER vis-a-vis its application to Ron-Robert Zieler. User:DerDFB seems intent on applying the essay (yes, it's just an essay) rigidly and referring to VfB Stuttgart thus throughout the article, but it doesn't really work from a "good writing" standpoint. I get that including the "VfB" avoids confusion with any other Stuttgart clubs, but the fact is that VfB is the biggest and best-known of the Stuttgart clubs, which makes the inclusion of the VfB unnecessary once you've established which club is being talked about. – Pee Jay 10:08, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
Could someone consider protection (again) for the above? Reverted four different nonsense IP edits this morning already. Crowsus ( talk) 13:30, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
"Interesting" situation at this footballer's article, several users keep removing the fact the player was banned/suspended by the Iran national team even though it is RELIABLY SOURCED. I am not aware if a pardon has been granted to him and his teammate since the events, but those contents surely must remain, am i correct?
Second reversion was even more serious, as they (obviously Iranian seeing the username) reverted me without one word whatsoever. Suggestions? Attentively -- Quite A Character ( talk) 00:05, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
Been reverted again, this time with a summary at least (calling me an uneducated vandal, but still better than nothing). Re-reverted and sent a message to the other party, someone PLEASE assist here. -- Quite A Character ( talk) 09:42, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi folks. I've got some questions regarding the career stats tables:
Regards, Robby.is.on ( talk) 20:43, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
Thanks, LTFC 95. If there are no objections, I will modify the template accordingly later. Robby.is.on ( talk) 13:22, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
I am not sure, but I didn't think you were allowed collapsible stats tables, there is one on Alex Pritchard, Govvy ( talk) 12:35, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
Not showing up in your article alerts. L3X1 Happy2018! (distænt write) 03:28, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
Category talk:Dundee Wanderers notes that Category:Dundee Wanderers is within the scope of WikiProject Football. However this category actually relates not to Dundee Wanderers F.C., which is covered by Category:Dundee Wanderers F.C., but to a (field) hockey club of the same name. Dunarc ( talk) 21:43, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
I have seen so many edits from IP addresses on Keïta's article implying that he is the new Liverpool player although his transfer to Liverpool has not been officially confirmed yet (at least until the upcomng summer transfer window). Can you admins please do something about that? DerDFB ( talk) 09:14, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
Is it necessary to include a table of the Turkish candidate stadiums on UEFA Euro 2024? All of the stadium information is already included on UEFA Euro 2024 bids, but Motuna has restored the table. The user has also added unsourced statements (e.g. "this is due to Turkey losing out to France for UEFA Euro 2016, and Istanbul losing the 2020 Summer Olympics to Tokyo"), along with quotations which do not directly involve the bid ("Turkey is proving that it is one of the world's leaders in its commitment to football infrastructure"). I previously removed the statements and copyedited the paragraph, but Motuna has restored their version. Thoughts? S.A. Julio ( talk) 19:40, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
Could do with a bit of advice on this one. The page has previously been deleted via AfD. However, there is now an international appearance, referenced by Soccerway, and the prose states this was against Brunei (the game happened since the last deletion). This is backed up by Sky Sports. It's a bit odd though; the Soccerway profile shows 14 minutes played of a senior game. However, the Brunei game is not shown on his profile. If you look at the Brunei game, it shows it as an under-23 fixture. He was an unused sub for the only senior game it lists on his profile (against Guyana). FIFA does not list the Brunei game on it's senior results page. NFT does not have an entry for him, although I'm not sure how accurate that page is. The PSSI website suggests this was part of the 2017 Aceh World Solidarity Tsunami Cup (an under-23 competition).
The page has been subject to continual vandalism/unsourced additions for the last month. If the cap is indeed valid, it could do with being semi-protected. If it isn't, then it should probably be deleted and salted. Cheers, Nzd (talk) 12:37, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
Hello,
I would like you to take a look at a draft of this page, created by me - it appears that I am confused about the way certain Spanish teams should be displayed as what I have noticed on the latest difference by User:Quite A Character. The red text is the bit I am not sure on, and the question marks and ('Spanish equilavent of KARSRUHER') should be replaced with the appropriate word. I have noticed inconsistencies with the piping on certain Spanish club names - that causes confusion on my part. Iggy ( Swan) 23:06, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
I am questioning myself on a revert I did, I saw this IP editor has done a fair bit of work on the article, but I questioned weather this statement which I saw added in by the IP (Pompey was also a generic African-American slave name) was that right to add to the article? I really didn't like hearing that so... Did I just revert because WP:IDONTLIKEIT, or is there something worse going on, on the article, is it being improved or vandalised? I really don't know if I am confusing myself over it or not!! Govvy ( talk) 12:31, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
@ Matthew hk: @ Nzd: @ Koncorde: @ Struway2: @ GiantSnowman: @ Quite A Character: Hello all. Apart from a few exceptions, there have been no two national championships within a year in Europe. In Turkey there was the Turkish National Division (from 1937 to 1950) and the Turkish Football Championship (from 1924 to 1951). Thus they existed at the same time for about 14 years and there were two national football champions in those years.
Now my question is how to put that into the European football template of a specific year/season.
For example into this one:
I have added the National Division, but the Turkish Football Championship was also held that year. How would you implement it into the template? Any suggestions are welcome. Regards, Akocsg ( talk) 16:10, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
Sorry, can't be of any assistance there (i am as dumb as they come concerning charts and templates and akin), but thanks for "calling" me to the discussion). -- Quite A Character ( talk) 16:33, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for all the suggestions guys, I will do it like that. Regards, Akocsg ( talk) 02:43, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
Done. This topic can be archived.
Akocsg (
talk)
04:39, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi all.
Me and FerchuJenson have had a discussion regarding his creation of the 2018 Club Atlético River Plate season article. Argentina runs a 2017–18 style calendar league season, which already has the equivalent season article. However, FerchuJenson has created the 2018 season article due to the Copa Libertadores/Copa Sudamericana calendar following the January to December format and rumours that the Argentine league may re-adopt the Jan-Dec format for next season (2018, from July/August). Am I correct in stating this would be classed as WP:TOOSOON? R96Skinner ( talk) 05:51, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi, FerchuJenson here. Just to make sure my point was clear (since english is not my mother language), Top League in Argentina may -or may not- change the calendar, but CONMEBOL (South American Football Confederation) has been using the Jan-Dec calendar (suitable from southern hemisphere) since January 2017, and the competitions organized by the continental authority have been held that way since the very begining of 2017. So perhaps it's not a matter of "too soon" but a matter of "should we guided by Argentine Football Association or South American Football Confederation?". FerchuJenson ( talk) 06:59, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
As I don't have administrative capabilities, the following pages should be moved to their correct articles, thank you:
User Hashim-afc controversially moved the Gulf Cup of Nations page as well as each respective edition’s article without seeking WP:RM, and was denied the category move request for the same reason. Should the articles be moved back and restored?-- Bijanii ( talk) 09:19, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
@ Egghead06 and Koncorde (or anyone else): Just to note, I have a call scheduled with John Powles on Tuesday. The main focus will be properly citing and correcting inaccuracies in the Thames Ironworks season pages, but if there's anything particular you want me to raise, please let me know. Nzd (talk) 23:13, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
After hours browsing the net, found one source for his spell in Egyptian football. However, a major (potential) cockup may be on the rise: the first Egyptian club he has represented is more or less certain ( Alassiouty Sport), but regarding the second both SOCCERWAY.com and NFT.com have him playing for Raja CA (and there is this squad sheet http://www.worldfootball.net/teams/el-raja-sporting-club/ and this match sheet from the same website as well http://www.worldfootball.net/report/premiership-2017-2018-el-raja-sporting-club-zamalek/liveticker/), whereas the source I now added has him plying his trade at Tala'ea El-Gaish SC (please see here https://www.kingfut.com/2017/08/23/el-geish-sign-sporting-gijon/), two completely different ballclubs from what I understand, no?
Assistance please, I'm a bit puzzled to say the least (browsed the web with news in French or English - my Arabic is so under the weather it should have its own climate - found nothing else than the aforementioned source), cheers -- Quite A Character ( talk) 14:11, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
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Please check the contributions of this IP. Thanks!
Someone is using for a long time now, various IP's in order to add to various squad lists the name of a hypothetical player called Bruno Pereira, i.e. like over here. I'm afraid that this person is doing the same thing for a long time!!! Pavlos1988 ( talk) 22:20, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
Should we start adding Nations League into competition records sections of European national teams? Since this could be considered major competition (although it is more of a alternative qualification route for Euro) Nightfall87 ( talk) 10:23, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
I find info about John Wood (English footballer) ( http://www.greensonscreen.co.uk/gosdb-players2.asp?pid=902&scp=1,2,3,4,5,6,7). I would like to expand the article by adding a section called "career", but I was not able to rewrite it so as not to copy and paste. Someone offers to help with that? I am not a native speaker of English. Thanks you. -- Metrónomo's truth of the day: "That was also done by the president" not an excuse. 09:08, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
Protection requested for his article until his transfer is resolved one way or another, thanks. Crowsus ( talk) 10:37, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
Can please anyone have look a ChocolateRabbit ( talk · contribs) edits in Michael Ballack? He insists on shortening Chemnitzer FC to Chemnitzer which is just plain wrong (see WP:KARLSRUHER for the reasons why this is wrong). I advised him several times to stop it, but he insists on his disruptive behavior. -- Jaellee ( talk) 21:17, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
As I've said it is an essay, it is not a rule or guidline and no one has to follow it. It is complete and utter rubbish -- 🐇 Chocolate Rabbit 21:19, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
I was wondering if someone could add the archive bot to Leeds United talk page, as I don't know how to do it. Cheers. Govvy ( talk) 13:49, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
What do people think of this website? It seems to have rare stats, such as here, for Mark Molesley's 2003–04 season stats in the Isthmian League Premier Division, but the website seems difficult to use.-- Echetus Xe 14:16, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
Is the article really that noteworthy? Govvy ( talk) 17:48, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
I've done a little work on the article, but I was thinking about the Stadium section, In what order should the stadiums be? Should you have the current stadium first or the old stadium first? Just wanted some idea's on how to maybe rewrite and maybe improve that section. I am not that happy with the way it is at the moment. Govvy ( talk) 21:15, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
Or Harry Wheeler Nickson exists, I think the article needs a good cleanup not deleting, I don't think the prodd'er did a google search. Govvy ( talk) 12:23, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
An edit war is ongoing over at 2017–18 Premier League between @ Mkhp1990 and PeeJay2K3 over the inclusion of a season progression table ( diff). I personally think it's quite good but other opinions are needed. I've brought it here as inclusion would obviously affect other articles. Nzd (talk) 11:42, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
It's been bugging me for a while that qualifying tournaments for U17 and U19 Euro had two different pages for the seasons 2004 through 2014 (separately for First Round and Elite Round), and only one for every season since 2015 (for both rounds together), despite the format remained the same. How about bringing some consistency here? Either merge all or split all. -- BlameRuiner ( talk) 11:57, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
Can an admin please review the edits of User:110.35.10.122 and consider a ban? This is another of these accounts that adds random names to team squads. They have even invented a brother for Ander Iturraspe and Gorka Iturraspe and added them to the player bios as well as the team squad! Still unable to work out the point of this. Quite a lot of effort to go to for vandalism. Anyway, needs to be stopped. I've reverted a few but I'll leave the rest for the time being for you to look at. Cheers. Crowsus ( talk) 22:01, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
Can a moderator please watch Hashim-afc's actions at Gulf Cup of Nations. He moved the articles in December without seeking WP:RM and the category move request was also denied for this reason. The articles should be restored per WP:COMMONNAME as there are also other tournaments with the name "Arabian Gulf Cup", such as the UAE League Cup.-- Bijanii ( talk) 00:28, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
Swansea City have changed their website domain which leaves past URLS as redirects to the home page. I have noticed that a small number of references on Swansea City related articles (players, PL seasons etc.) have the domain swanseacity.net which redirects to the home page, rendering the source unverifiable. The first one I've noticed was on Gerhard Tremmel with the following link http://www.swanseacity.net/news/article/gt-contract-643037.aspx , which I've changed into https://web.archive.org/web/20160221045143/http://www.swanseacity.net/news/article/gt-contract-643037.aspx . The first link when clicked goes to the incorrect location of the home page but the archive URL correctly goes to the correct page. insource:"http://www.swanseacity.net/news/article" will have the complete list of pages potentially affected by the redirect problem.
InternetArchiveBot does not recognise the swanseacity.net links under the format http://www.swanseacity.net/news/article/(name).aspx as dead links so a bot would be helpful to add in the archive urls to the stated format. I have checked this through a few times, all resulting to the Swansea City home page.
Also, other football clubs may have the same problem where past URLS redirects to the wrong pages to their own club websites. It happens that I have noticed that with Swansea City on Gerhard Tremmel's article page first.
Thanks, Iggy ( Swan) 13:51, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
A revert war over the "honors" section of New York Red Bulls has taken place over the last couple of months. One user saying the awards belong, another saying they don't since they're not official. Could others take a look at this? No discussion is on-going; just the commentary in edit summaries. Since it's not happening with multiple reverts on the same day, I don't feel like it should be fully protected right now, but I'd like to see if people with more knowledge of this WikiProject's standards can help facilitate discussion there. Thanks, only ( talk) 16:56, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi, I have uploaded an Image for one of my team's players but it is way too small and no tutorials make any sense to me. The page is Collin Seedorf, if anyone could head over there and make the image a decent size that'd be helpful. Cheers! Cheesy McGee ( talk) 04:52, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
I added the infobox to the top of the page, I've put down Arsenal and Spurs sharing the charity shield, does that part look okay? I also think this was the last time that happened. I was going to put Colchester as winning the FA Trophy, but it doesn't actually confirm that in the article. It just mentions some American scoring! Govvy ( talk) 13:38, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
Erm, what consensus is Jimbo Online on about for removing flags from players? I don't even understand his usage for removing them! Govvy ( talk) 23:18, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
Jimbo has a point about the lack of referencing, but the way he goes about it can be problematic (I'd say this is being disruptive as both urls were valid). I also find it odd that he's just added a completely unreferenced squadlist to the Grays Athletic article (his crusade against unsourced nationalities seems to go back to not getting his way in a discussion over the format of the squadlist on the Grays article). And now he's blindly reverting it. Number 5 7 20:19, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
Is this list craft? Don't we just stick to cat's for this normally? Govvy ( talk) 13:43, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
Where do you submit footy articles for Peer review again? I wanted to put forward Tottenham Hotspur F.C.. Govvy ( talk) 22:42, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
How do we deal foreign players in leagues that mandates a minimum number of player/s from a particular confederation.
Here's an example for the 2018 Philippines Football League.
Club | Player 1 | Player 2 | Player 3 | AFC Player | Former Players |
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Davao Aguilas |
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Given that the Philippines Football League requires one of the foreign players to be from a Asian Football Confederation member association How does one determine which is the designated AFC player. Unless one has access to league documents (and we can't say if they do designate a individual as a club's AFC player)
I suggest this approach instead:
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I suggest adding some sort of footnote to the table. Also note that Brad McDonald is also a Australian national.
Feedback is appreciated since this doesn't concern the PFL alone. Hariboneagle927 ( talk) 00:10, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
Does anyone know why the Soccerbase link in the External links section of the Jack Stephens (footballer) article directs to the "Games played by Jack Stephens in 2016/2017" section on the Scoccerbase website page rather than the current season? 92.24.168.129 ( talk) 23:02, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
Is this Arsenal F.C. youth player notable? As far as I can see, he has never made a first team appearance. If he does pass muster, surely the article title should be Charlie Gilmour (footballer, born 1999), with Charlie Gilmour (footballer) becoming Charlie Gilmour (footballer, born 1942). 92.26.162.135 ( talk) 14:51, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
When I go through club season articles they are all very different, I really don't think we even refer to this template do we? Also, it seems very out of date now, should we be updating it? Or even using it? There does seem to be a lack of structure across the project on season articles. Should there be some standard formatting throughout? Govvy ( talk) 11:44, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
Should it be merged into 1. FC Saarbrücken? Govvy ( talk) 14:12, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
Aren't these names too large for Wikipedia? 8Dodo8 ( talk · contribs) 10:54, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
Has this club been wound up or is it just on hiatus or what? Trying to add references to Dimitrios Kalogerakos with the aid of Google translate, I found this source, and looking at the club article to figure out what on earth happened (poor translation, relegation, or what), I find it starts in past tense but provides no coverage of the event. Help, please. Yngvadottir ( talk) 18:27, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
Three questions, do we need this on a single article? Is there another article this could be merged into? Or should we just delete it? It maybe does sound like a valid search term. Govvy ( talk) 13:04, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
I just started a head-to-head, season-by-season top-tier league record sortable table by decade for Real Sociedad Femenino. So far it's like this:
C | Team | 2010–11 | 2011–12 | 2012–13 | 2013–14 | 2014–15 | 2015–16 | 2016–17 | 2017–18 | 2018–19 | 2019–20 | Overall | ||||||||||||
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Albacete | 4 | +6 | 4 | +1 | 8 | 66% | +7 | ||||||||||||||||
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Athletic Bilbao | 0 | -6 | 4 | +2 | 4 | 33% | -4 | ||||||||||||||||
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Atlético Madrid | 3 | 0 | 0 | -2 | 3 | 25% | -2 | ||||||||||||||||
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Barcelona | 0 | -4 | 0 | -5 | 0 | 0% | -9 | ||||||||||||||||
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Betis | 0 | -3 | 0 | 0% | -3 | ||||||||||||||||||
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Collerense | 6 | +4 | 6 | 100% | +4 | ||||||||||||||||||
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Espanyol | 4 | +2 | 4 | +2 | 8 | 66% | +4 | ||||||||||||||||
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Granadilla | 1 | –3 | 4 | +1 | 5 | 41% | -2 | ||||||||||||||||
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Levante | 3 | +3 | 4 | +1 | 7 | 66% | +4 | ||||||||||||||||
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Oiartzun | 6 | +4 | 4 | +4 | 10 | 83% | +8 | ||||||||||||||||
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Oviedo Moderno | 6 | +4 | 6 | 100% | +4 | ||||||||||||||||||
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Rayo Vallecano | 4 | +3 | 6 | +5 | 10 | 83% | +8 | ||||||||||||||||
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Santa Teresa | 6 | +3 | 0 | -2 | 6 | 50% | +1 | ||||||||||||||||
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Sporting Huelva | 1 | -1 | 3 | 0 | 4 | 33% | -1 | ||||||||||||||||
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Tacuense | 6 | +9 | 6 | 100% | +9 | ||||||||||||||||||
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Valencia | 3 | 0 | 0 | -7 | 3 | 25% | -7 | ||||||||||||||||
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Zaragoza | 3 | -1 | 3 | +4 | 6 | 50% | +3 |
But I realized it's too large and detailed for the main article. But in List of Real Sociedad Femenino seasons it's okay to include it, right? I thought I should ask to make sure it's unlikely it gets deleted before I keep working on it and make more of them. Pakhtakorienne ( talk) 14:17, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
Please check the edit warring at Template:UEFA Champions League winners. SLBedit ( talk) 19:51, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
Why do people want to include own goals? What gets me, is adding these negative goals up on a what should only be a positive goal scorers table. I want to push for a consensus that own-goals shouldn't be included in these tables. I would like to see who is for and against this. Govvy ( talk) 16:24, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
I don't see any confusion/issues, the tables list all goals scored in favour of the club in question, which includes own goals. S.A. Julio ( talk) 18:10, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
These clubs were part of non-notable tournaments (It is not part of Pakistani domestic set-up). They are:
I was about to take them to AfD but came here to have the final words. Ping me if anyone replies. Thanks. Störm (talk) 12:16, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
The header of the Russian Women's Football Championship article says: The Russian Women's Football Championship ( Russian: ЧЕМПИОНАТ РОССИИ ПО ЖЕНСКОМУ ФУТБОЛУ), also known as the Top Division, is the highest professional women's football league in Russia.
The article from the Russian Wikipedia is also titled nearly the same way, while the header simply says The Russian Women's Football Championship has been held since 1992. In 1990 and 1991 the USSR Championship was held. (I translated it though Google). The thing is that each season article, like this one, includes all three categories: the Vysshaya Liga (Supreme/Major League), the Pervaya Liga (First League) and the Vtoraya Liga (Second League). While the Russian Cup has its own articles.
We lack any articles about the second and third tiers. Should they be added to the Russian Women's Football Championship ones, or should we create their own articles and rename the top-tier articles as Russian Women's Football Supreme/Top/Major League/Division? Regardless, I think the header should be changed since the Championship is more than just the Top Division.
This also applies to the Soviet women's football championship, which also had three levels. Pakhtakorienne ( talk) 15:34, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
He replaced links to FC Steaua București from 1985–86 European Cup with links to 2017-founded fourth league club CSA Steaua București (football), despite UEFA [2] and Romanian Football Federation stating that FC Steaua Bucuresti (actual name is FCSB) is the owner of the records. Also CSA Steaua is a copied article from FCSB. Currently CSA Steaua sued FCSB for the trophies but the result will be known in 2019 the earliest. 8Dodo8 ( talk · contribs) 09:40, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
Hi everyone, I'm a member of the Italian Wiki. I have just a minor question: how should we write the Arabic surnames with the "Al" and "El" prefix? For example: Mohamed Al-Deayea, Mahmoud El-Gohary and so on. Should we use the -? Should we write the A and the E in capital letters? Thanks, VAN ZANT ( talk) 20:36, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
Esport squad list? I removed it once, I don't see how they are notable and relivent to the football article. Maybe someone else can remove it so I don't get into some stupid edit war. Govvy ( talk) 21:51, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
Getting really really tiresome... both IP addresses and user accounts keep changing his departure from Panionios F.C. in 2018 - in the box, that is - in spite of the reference #22 stating he was released on 26 DECEMBER 2017. Do the guidelines not state we must adhere to year of start/end rather than season?
Attentively (P.S. I messaged the account mentioned above regarding the subject) -- Quite A Character ( talk) 14:38, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
For women's football team articles that have a List of seasons article as well as a season-by-season vertical table in its main article, wouldn't it be better to change the latter for timelines like those you find in some articles about Russian male teams along with a link, since you have a expanded version of that table in the LoS article? Like...
instead of the current table in Levante UD Femenino? And maybe the UEFA Competition Record section could be summarized too or linked upon the third timeline since it's also covered in two linked articles? Then the Titles section could be checked along with the season-to-season timeline without having to scroll down the page. Pakhtakorienne ( talk) 14:06, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
If they are to be used (and I'm not convince of their purpose when there is a separate list), would it not be simpler to use a Wikitable, which would also be more customisable – e.g. being able to add links to individual seasons (see below). Number 5 7 14:53, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
Summary of the last ten seasons | ||||||||||
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Season | 2008–09 | 2009–10 | 2010–11 | 2011–12 | 2012–13 | 2013–14 | 2014–15 | 2015–16 | 2016–17 | 2017–18 |
Division | Primera División | |||||||||
Position | 1st | 2nd | 8th | 9th | 5th | 4th | 5th | 5th | 4th | 4th |
Copa de la Reina | QF | QF | R16 | SF | SF | QF | SF | QF | ||
UEFA Women's Cup | R16 | DNQ | DNQ | DNQ | DNQ | DNQ | DNQ | DNQ | DNQ | DNQ |
Summary of the last ten seasons | ||||||||||
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Season | 08–09 | 09–10 | 10–11 | 11–12 | 12–13 | 13–14 | 14–15 | 15–16 | 16–17 | 17–18 |
Division | Primera División | |||||||||
Position | 1st | 2nd | 8th | 9th | 5th | 4th | 5th | 5th | 4th | 4th |
Copa de la Reina | QF | QF | R16 | SF | SF | QF | SF | QF | ||
UEFA Women's Cup | R16 | DNQ |
Hi, can I get some community input on this particular AfD discussion? I feel like additional input from WP:FOOTY would be helpful for this discussion. Thanks! Jay eyem ( talk) 01:02, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
Is there anyway to block a range of IPs that cover ones starting with 2A02 maybe? There is a person who uses IPs that begin with that [3] [4] and [5] that makes disruptive edits to articles to add this fake player as well as other annoying edits. I've even done a google advance search and clean up old articles where the player was added in the past. I'm not sure if anything can be done but would be good if others know of a way? NZFC (talk) 22:20, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
Since when do you add assists in stats tables? Didn't think we are suppose to do that? Govvy ( talk) 00:03, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
Can I just check, does the national cup eligibility criterion at WP:FOOTYN include preliminary/qualification rounds? Ta, Nzd (talk) 22:15, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
Is the article getting an overhaul or screwed over? Harambe Walks has removed a load of BBC refs and even added a Daily Mail one!! :/ Govvy ( talk) 22:27, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
I suspect this edit is vandalism, can someone from the Wikiproject please comment either way? Andrewa ( talk) 03:09, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
There is clearly controversy around Arsenal's promotion to the First Division almost a century ago. User:TonyAttwood, presumably the writer for The History of Arsenal blog ( [7]) has tried to introduce an opposing viewpoint on these events into the Wikipedia article 1919–20 Football League, citing his own blog. Although I outlined on his talk page why I thought that his edit introduced more problems than it solved, there could nevertheless be value in what he is trying to do. If anyone has sufficient knowledge of this era of football or access to relevant source materials, it may be worth taking a look at this. However, if such a viewpoint is worthy of inclusion then it needs to be added more seamlessly, rather than as a critique of the article's existing content. -- Jameboy ( talk) 18:08, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
I have re-moved the page back to "soccer" per the discussion on the talk page and also since I was unable to find another discussion that overturned that consensus. I am wondering if, since he is a manager for a Premier League club and played his entire club career in Germany, whether or not the page should use the term "football" rather than "soccer," or if these terms should be changed accordingly. Cheers. Jay eyem ( talk) 18:26, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
Is this list overkill and listcraft? We have categories for this type of thing! Govvy ( talk) 23:26, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
As some may be aware, blocked user User:Durneydiaz had created a series of articles that were moved to WP:Draftspace in the middle of last year. Some of these may be notable however deletions under CSD criterion G13 have begun. List is this way. Hack ( talk) 08:15, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
Would someone from FOOTY mind taking a look at Talk:Football Association of Selangor? I'm not sure why it's redirecting to Talk:Selangor FA, unless the article is also supposed to be a redirect. Thanks in advance. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 22:45, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
Medhi Benatia was moved to Mehdi Benatia. The correct spelling of his name was always disputed in the past, so I think that this should not be done without discussing the move first. Where should I start this move discussion? Here? On the article talk page? -- Jaellee ( talk) 22:51, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
There is a football-related deletion review on Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2018 February 14, you can go there and have your own comment about Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2018 UPSL season, thanks! Hhhhhkohhhhh ( talk) 16:26, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
Hello all.
User:Fenix down has nominated the Agustin Gómez article for deletion, given their reasons it seems to be the correct call but I'd like further clarification. I, not sure why given the current notability guideline, always thought playing in a cup competition for a professional league club was enough for notability no matter the opponent, but Fenix down has shown the guideline actually states it must be between two professional league clubs. In the Agustin Gómez case, he played for AIK (Allsvenskan, professional) against Värmbols (Swedish Football Division 2, not professional). I thought that was enough, as if a player for (e.g.) Manchester United or Tottenham Hotspur did the same they'd be notable without passing GNG. Is that not the case? As I said, it seems Fenix down is correct but I've came here for a bit of clarification. Thanks. R96Skinner ( talk) 01:21, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
Not quite sure, but maybe an issue here? At Dinis Almeida, i reverted User:Fodbold-fan and was reverted (OK, maybe i again should not have used rollback), as they used what i perceive to be an unreliable source for the subject's new team and also did not write in the proper section (club career, in this case) but (as always) in the introduction.
I was hysterically reverted (yes, who am I to point out the hysterics in anyone, I know), being told to "look at the source", which reads "SC Braga contrata central Dinis Almeida, que na última época esteve no Belenenses.", translated "SC Braga hire central defender Dinis Almeida, who was with Belenenses last season.". Is that a LOAN how, if you don't mind me asking?
The competence issue may also stem from the fact this user does not reply to anyone (they did sporadically in the past, as here https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=User_talk:Fodbold-fan&diff=757831463&oldid=757830835#January_2017), but i have notified them of this discussion (additionally, i also browsed both the French and the Portuguese webs for reliable sources, found nothing amazingly). Attentively -- Quite A Character ( talk) 19:03, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for that input, but what's the relevance for the matter at hand? We are trying to find a reliable source for his loan (supposing his Instagram is telling the truth, that is), it is 100% sure he is working with Braga. -- Quite A Character ( talk) 23:23, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
My two cents: The first revert of Fodbold-fan's changes was done without any explanation and following edit summaries from both of you were confrontational, if not inflammatory. All of that is not helpful. And yes, Fodbold-fan usually only updates the lede and not the club career section. They don't update the squad template and don't add the category. I regularly find myself cleaning up after them. But I'd rather see incomplate/lazy updates to a player's page than none at all. Robby.is.on ( talk) 10:58, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
Hi there. I've been thinking for a while about how we display squad sections in under-23/academy sections. Apologies for the lengthy treatise that follows. So, the theory: Users aren't served well by the squad template that's found on the main club page. My instinct is that users will be visiting the under-23/academy article pages principally to see how their side's development players are progressing (I'm working on the assumption that only clubs of relative size who have quite distinct first-team/development side set-ups will have these articles). How old they are, how many players they have in a certain position, are they internationally capped, a professional yet etc. They won't be looking to click around numerous articles with little information in them - and indeed a lot of these players won't have articles. This sort of summary can frequently be found in season articles for first-team players, but development players don't tend to be included. And we have these nice articles waiting...
So my suggestion would be to provide a single sortable table including all academy scholars (as these players will frequently be in the under-23 side pretty quickly) and a selection of any players the club has who are under the age of 23 (more on this in a sec). Columns for name, nationality, birthday/age, position would be fairly standard, other possibilities might be professional status (scholar, scholar with professional deal, professional - an alternative might be a yes/no column), contract expiry, place of birth, highest international representation, place of birth, first-team appearances (and goals?), out on loan (I'd suggest including players that are out in the main table, because users will still want to see them in relation to their peers), joined date (and from?), a general notes column if you wanted to consolidate some of these. Sourcing some of this information might be a challenge, but most of these clubs are big enough that the information is there for the majority of players.
The closest existing examples of what I'm talking about that I'm aware of are Leeds United F.C. Reserves and Youth Team and Everton F.C. Reserves and Academy. With the latter, I had a play with adding some of the stuff I've been talking about above/below (some of it has been changed since, hence the URL link).
The next question is who to include...
So that's it, really. To summarise, I think this proposal would provide an improved selection of information for the users. My inclination would be go with including loan players and go with all under-23 players, with a combination of table information/prose that marks out players who may have progressed beyond this stage for the most part. It'd be good to reach some sort of consensus on this idea, not because I think these sorts of articles are ever going to be completely standardised, but just so whether we agree it's something to work towards. Cheers, HornetMike ( talk) 20:28, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
Al Fanar SC was recently moved (in good faith) to El Fanar SC by @ Egyptian Premier League. I have asked via the user's talk page for references to corroborate this, but the references provided relate to the word, rather than the club itself. Google searches overwhelmingly indicate the club is known as Al Fanar in English-speaking sources, so while this might not be technically correct per this user's reasoning (which I have no reason to doubt), I don't think the current page name satisfies WP:COMMONNAME. If anyone has any particular knowledge of this area, or can point to any precident for this kind of thing, that'd be great. If not, I'll probably WP:RM it for additional consensus. Nzd (talk) 02:20, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
Hello all, should an article include an External link to {{soccerbase}} if it's been used already as a citation within the article? Seems to be standard practice on hundreds of existing articles, but GiantSnowman doesn't think it should be included on Moses Makasi here. Seems to be a case of WP:OWNERSHIP on an article created by GiantSnowman. Thoughts? JMHamo ( talk) 21:12, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
Are they suppose to be linked up in certain formats or not, didn't really say on WP:£ when to link or when not too. Govvy ( talk) 21:14, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
I'm hoping that the members of WP:FOOTBALL can help me establish a case for whether a match article I have recently published is notable or not as I am presently struggling to rack my head around how exactly Wikipedia defines notability for matches not related to cup finals. I recently published this article and attempted to put it through DYK. I was successful in the review, as can be seen, but when the article was put into the DYK queue it was pulled at the last stage, originally on grounds of tone (now fixed) before ultimately being kicked out of the process entirely because the article had previously been deleted. This is indeed the case, but the deletion in question (which I would argue was a close-run thing between Keep and Delete in the first place) was seven and a half years ago now and I feel that the increase in articles made about individual matches in the meantime begs the question whether a re-evaluation of notability is warranted for this article.
If the consensus here is that the match is notable then I will of course use this to make up my mind on whether to reattempt the DYK process. If the consensus is that it is not notable then I will accept it and will abandon the article to its fate, AfD or no, but I would however like to follow it up by questioning what exactly WP:FOOTBALL's policy is on match notability and whether it is time that one be written, because I don't believe that it has ever actually been put down in writing here. I would however like to add that my personal take is that the article I have made is substantially less notable in the long term than, say, Battle of Old Trafford, Liverpool F.C. 4–3 Newcastle United F.C. (1996) or Manchester United F.C. 3–5 West Bromwich Albion F.C. (1978), and I favour the opinion that if any match is notable enough to continue to receive references or praise in the national press some time after the original game took place (i.e. after most matches would have been forgotten about by the majority of fans, especially of other clubs) then it should be considered worthy of an article.
If anyone has any questions about my opinions and my motives for creating my article I will answer them but otherwise I would prefer to watch this discussion from the sidelines rather than attempt to influence this discussion further. Falastur2 Talk 20:28, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
Quite the conundrum... I think it was i who wrote most of his storyline (years ago), which includes the international career of course; not sure where i based myself on to say he appeared TWICE at the 2007 Copa América, but quite probably on NFT.com (Soccerway.com also has him featuring in two group phase matches. Last but not least, that edition of the tournament seems to be the first without any RSSSF link, at least one that can be found in Wikipedia).
After "years of laziness" (if you will) i decided to add more refs to the piece, which leads to the following: ALL the newspaper/akin sources say it was Ysrael Zúñiga who came for Claudio Pizarro and not Ísmodes (examples here https://noticias.uol.com.br/ultnot/afp/2007/06/30/ult34u184766.jhtm, here http://www.abc.es/hemeroteca/historico-01-07-2007/abc/Deportes/venezuela-gana-a-peru-(2-0)-y-entra-en-la-historia_1634020392434.html, here http://www.espn.cl/futbol/partido?juegoId=214663 or here https://www.eluniverso.com/2007/07/01/0001/15/23044F20BB704D8391C11E4E5314A3D1.html). What shall we do with the evidence presented, please?
Attentively -- Quite A Character ( talk) 21:55, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
The CONMEBOL match sheet also shows Ísmodes as the one who played ( https://web.archive.org/web/20070929100105/http://www.conmebol.com/competiciones_evento_reporte.jsp?evento=1055&ano=2007&dv=1&flt=A&id=8&slangab=E). However, in this YouTube video (please see here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1n2sCXGyqPs), around the 3:58 mark, we see #11 to the left after Paolo Guerrero's shot that goes way over the bar. According to WP, #11 was Zúñiga; whatever, i'll edit Ísmodes' storyline now, sorry to bother you. -- Quite A Character ( talk) 19:54, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
I am only taking into consideration the fact that only SOCCERWAY/NFT/CONMEBOL give that cap to Ísmodes, all the newspaper articles (plus the YTube video) say it was Zúñiga. The latter's NFT.com entry does not give him that cap, like i said they give it to Ísmodes.
As far as i am concerned, article stays the way it is, if anyone has a better idea... -- Quite A Character ( talk) 21:21, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
I have had a minor talk with @ Jon Kolbert: about the possibility of formatting the sub-domains of Soccerway.com from e.g. 'https:uk.soccerway.com' to 'https:int.soccerway.com', the 'int' is the most common sub-domain of Soccerway as that avoids different language reading. Soccerway might disable all the subdomains except for the https:int.soccerway.com domain but there's no reason for that to happen yet. Iggy ( Swan) 18:15, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
Soccerway and other sources in the article say that he played for the U21 and U23 (Premier League 2) teams of WBA and Stoke City. One article also mentions that he signed his first professional contract with WBA in 2015.
So, I'm not sure about his infobox and club career stats. Should WBA and Stoke appear as senior clubs or as youth clubs? He didn't make any Premier League apps for them. 8Dodo8 ( talk · contribs) 10:00, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
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@ Chanheigeorge, S.A. Julio, Skyblueshaun, and Kante4: Good evening. I am having a dispute with @ Crowsus: as he is questioning UEFA.com source about two own goals scored in benefit of Athletic Bilbao and flooding it with other sources stating that they weren't own goals, some of them obviously not neutral. In fact, Crowsus is not neutral too, as he identifies himself as being an Athletic fan. One of the own goals was on last match on Thursday against Spartak Moscow and the other one was at a 2012–13 match against HJK. He also presents YouTube videos trying to prove his points, with no success, as on Spartak's case it's an obvious own goal (UEFA.com's right) and on HJK's case it's next to impossible to prove UEFA.com is wrong. On the other hand, if we approve this without much discussion, it can be a bad precedent on which several UEFA.com reports may be questioned without consistent basis. I would like to remind the case involving the 2016–17 Vojvodina vs Dinamo Minsk match, on which UEFA.com version was obviously wrong (attributing Dinamo's goal to Bykov instead of Budnik). It was discussed at length before a final decision to go against UEFA source. Some time later, UEFA.com corrected the report. I am not interested in an edit war, so I would like to invite you to intervene. Anyway, I thank you all for the attention. The Replicator ( talk) 22:10, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
@ The Replicator, S.A. Julio, and Koncorde: Hi folks, well there hasn't really been enough input to establish consensus either way, I'm not really into arguments (despite how it appears from those edits) so I'll back out from the UEFA pages, however I have added the same notes (not changing the existing display itself) to the club season articles which I hope will be acceptable, particularly since the stats for the seasons are primarily sourced from the Athletic Bilbao website, which has a different stat to the organisers of the tournament in question. For the Toquero goal, it actually showed it as his, so the note was switched around to mention the UEFA side of things! Thanks. Crowsus ( talk) 23:06, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
There is a user who is edit-warring by insering a 5 column list at former players section without understanding that the names of the players are being broken into 2 lines then making it very unesthetic. Also, we are dealing with an imature newbye who leaves this sort of edit-summaries: FK Partizan is ugly as fuck! or Keep watching your small club and don't worry about European and World champions. In order not to break the 3RR rule I would appeciate very much if someone could assist me and explain to that user why 3 columns are prefered over the ridiculous 5 which brake names of players in 2 lines. FkpCascais ( talk) 12:05, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
Just created a proper storyline for Ricardo Moura. In view of the presented contents (or part of them), a question: since the exploit was achieved during his YOUTH career, does he get the "Association football goalkeepers who have scored" category or not?
Attentively, thanks in advance -- Quite A Character ( talk) 17:38, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
I was trying to compose/clean the last (unref'd) additions to manager Albert Roca and i think i managed more or less, but this leads to the question as i cannot read it anywhere here: how did the team promote to the Indian Super League if they were not in such a position last year in the I-League? I'm baffled...
Attentively, thank you very much in advance -- Quite A Character ( talk) 22:13, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
The article Marcos Tiago Bernard Rodriguez has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
Not notable. No significant coverage, and does not meet WP:NFOOTBALL as he had no appearances in professional matches. I checked with editors on ja.wiki to see if there were any Japanese sources which could establish notability (as the only citation is in Japanese), but they could only find one guide book with a cursory mention with his vital stats, which are the only details in this article.
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Have created this article. How do we move it from draft to regular? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.70.154.60 ( talk) 23:42, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
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That version is biased (pro Fiorentina) mostly about to the 1981-82 serie A: at that time the regulation favored the goalkeeper and defenders before the doubt (not since 1990 that favors the forwards) and the contact of viola's player with the goalkeeper exists. Regarding the penalty of Brady, the ball touched the arm of the Avellino player in the goal line as anyone can see in web video. In addition, that and this source (blog and this source says that Brady's penalty was evident) are supporters websites, both are not certainly a reliable sources. The draft is also and wrong: among others, in 1990 UEFA Cup 2nd leg final, Fiorentina has not played in Franchi Stadium because the stadium was banned due to riots of viola ultrà in the semi-final match against Werder Bremen according UEFA.com.-- Dantetheperuvian ( talk) 01:07, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
@ Dantetheperuvian: Stadio Artemio Franchi was not banned, because the semifinal was not in that stadium in the first place. Look: http://www.calcio.com/cronaca_partita/europa-league-1989-1990-halbfinale-acf-fiorentina-werder-bremen/ https://www.ilpost.it/2014/03/20/storie-juventus-fiorentina/ the match was in Perugia which was banned. Second link will also show you that Stadio Artemio Franchi was under reconstruction for the World Cup I see that you read Italian. The goal for Fiorentina is a clear goal to me, but obviously not everyone will agree on this account. About the penalty to Juventus, I agree but people in Firenze were still how do you say annoyed with the goal. Also, in that time, there was no video review, which has only come in serie A this year so what people saw is what they thought. I will try to make this clearer in the article however. In your link you posted, storie di calcio, for the fiorentina-cagliari match, look on the video around 6m 15s. That is a clear penalty to Catanzaro, but not awarded. No one is saying this is the biggest rivalry in Italy, or even close to Milano derby or Roma derby. but it is a big rivalry for Fiorentina, one of the big teams of Serie A. For Juve, not so much... It is not a regional rivalry like Fiorentina - Empoli or Fiorentina - Siena because it was not borne out of the same region as the main point. If the 1982 title had not happened, the 1990 final, and the transfer of Baggio right after the final, nobody would care to this day.
Yes, the 'home stadium' was banned in Perugia I did mention that earlier, but it wasn't Stadio Artemio Franchi - we both agree here (and the article can be edited to make this clearer). There is no certainty, but it is a penalty. A penalty has a very high chance of being converted so it is obvious that people will be annoyed with this decision. Also, if there was Internazionale or Milano or Roma or Nazio or any other team and the exact same thing happened in the history, it would still be a rivalry in the eyes of Fiorentina fans. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.70.154.34 ( talk) 06:39, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
A few editors giving views at Talk:Juventus F.C. would be very welcome. They cannot seem to agree. Many thanks. Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 15:31, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
Why are articles about men’s national football teams consistently (except for the USA) named “National football team”, instead of “Men’s national football team? Articles on women’s national football teams are named “Women’s national football team”. Most nations have two national football teams, a men’s national football team and a women’s national football team. Both are national football teams. Therefore, it seems odd to me that articles about men’s national football teams are named “National football team”. This seems to be phenomena in football. See articles about national ice hockey teams:
Kindest regards / EriFr ( talk) 19:03, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
I was wondering if we should have a more permanent protection on his article, it does seem to be vandalised a lot. Govvy ( talk) 09:44, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
I've noticed on some pages that some editors are combining cells together into one cell. I am taking Goals table again as my example on 2017–18 Real Madrid C.F. season. But for mathematical tables, I don't think you should be combining these cells together at all. In WP:Manual of Style/Tables when cells are combined that is text data, thats okay. But all mathematical data examples don't combine cells together at all. The First of a column could be treated as text, but in numbers this is different, so back to the table for goals on Real Madrids season page. I am pretty sure we shouldn't be combining numerical data into an end cell representing the out come for multiple rows in one cell. I also believe this shouldn't be done on WP:ACCESS grounds for those with learning disabilities, so a row of numerical data should be clear for all that read it.
So can we agree to look into this issue. Thanks. Govvy ( talk) 13:24, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
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was added to parameter, however in some real case i don't see that problem (e.g. Rank | Player | Position | La Liga | Copa del Rey | UEFA CL | Other1 | Total |
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FW | 12 | 0 | 11 | 3 | 26 |
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MF | 6 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 10 |
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FW | 6 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 9 |
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FW | 3 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 7 |
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MF | 5 | 1 | 0 | 1 | ||
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FW | 3 | 3 | 1 | 0 | ||
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MF | 4 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 5 |
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FW | 1 | 3 | 1 | 0 | ||
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MF | 4 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 |
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DF | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | ||
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DF | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | ||
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DF | 2 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 3 |
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MF | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 |
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MF | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | ||
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DF | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
Own goals | 2 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 3 | ||
Total | 58 | 11 | 20 | 10 | 99 |
This is what I am talking about, merging cell numerical numbers like the final column, I don't think we should be doing that on any table. Govvy ( talk) 14:48, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
Hello to all footie wikipedians,
I needed your opinion on something: right now there is a debate going on Persian wikipedia about the matches that end up in a draw after the extra time and are decided on penalty shootouts and that how they are concluded? A win for the side that won the penalty shootouts or a draw? I ask this because here I can see almost all the matches that ended in a draw after the extra times are considered draw for both sides, including 1994 world cup final here in Brazil Italy rivalry, 2006 world cup final here on France Italy rivalry and numerous matches between Milan and Juventus here on Milan Juventus rivalry where they had matches that were decided on penalty shootouts. On Persian wikipedia on the other hand they are saying that the side that won the penalty shootouts is also the winner of the match itself and to my surprise against all these examples and the rules and the regulations they keep on insisting about it. Now I would like to ask your experienced opinion about it, is it a win or a draw?
Thanks to all, cheers-- Vathlu ( talk) 17:06, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
Can someone move/approve Draft:2019 Africa U-20 Cup of Nations qualification to 2019 Africa U-20 Cup of Nations qualification? The draw has now been made. TheBigJagielka ( talk) 19:52, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
84.238.244.221 ( talk · contribs) has been placing Cristiano Ronaldo over Lionel Messi again and again in Most Ballon d'Or (1956–2009, 2016–) + FIFA Ballon d'Or (2010–2015), despite the fact that Messi was the first to be awarded five times. SLBedit ( talk) 19:07, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
Is an article for Der Klassiker necessary? The article is misleading, the match is not a "classic" as the name implies, as there is hardly a historical rivalry between the two teams. The term only started being used recently by non-German media and is not WP:SUSTAINED. Would be better suited as a redirect to the section in Football rivalries in Germany. S.A. Julio ( talk) 22:58, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
Hmm, I see you have removed the link to the article from the Bayern and Dortmund templates S.A. Julio, which seems like a sneaky move to me. Even if you don't respect the topic, the article has existed for three years and is undeniably related to the two clubs, so is valid to be there unless there came a point where it was deleted altogether. Crowsus ( talk) 00:52, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
Is there any real need for this article to exist? The list for the official award is incomplete, and there's plenty of other minor awards that have no reason to be there, as well as the North East award which has players who didn't play for the club. I'm not against club awards in general, but this one is a complete mess. APM ( talk) 21:30, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
Someone has proposed that EFL Cup be moved back to Football League Cup because the competition is apparently still referred to colloquially as the "League Cup". The discussion can be found at Talk:EFL Cup#Requested move 27 February 2018. – Pee Jay 15:55, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
Can an uninvolved admin please review and close this August 2017 merge discussion and this October 2017 merge discussion? Giant Snowman 16:18, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
Articles for Creation has a significant number of football articles waiting for review. I was doing some that meet SNG, but the ones that do not meet SNG I have left alone for now. A couple that I checked have played in second tier leagues, and have articles on other wikis, so they could be included if we wanted. I did not want to accept a bunch of articles to only have them all be immediately AfD'ed.
Anyways I use this tool to sort by WikiProject, so you can filter and find the footy ones easily. If you want to get into AfC reviewing, please view the project. Thanks! Kees08 (Talk) 23:32, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
User:SportsFan007 Moved it without consultation can we move it back, I feel it requires discussion before any possible move. Govvy ( talk) 21:31, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
@ SportsFan007: Multiple issues can arise when moving pages, I never suggested to go ahead and move any pages right now, I was just discussing possible outcomes. I don't mean to be rude, but you should really should consult the project or talk pages in future before doing actions like this. Govvy ( talk) 09:48, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
There is a thread in Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User:MigenMemelli and 3RR on adding trivia to article regarding user and ip keep on adding trivial award / recognition "Heia fotball Glory Hall " by Norwegian radio program to Gabriel Batistuta article. Thank you. Matthew_hk t c 13:33, 28 February 2018 (UTC)