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A plague has been spreading across the Indian cinema articles, and I gather it has its source outside. Editors have been putting a list of "Notable roles" in actor infoboxes. I've been removing them, on the grounds that it's personal opinion as to which roles are notable. I'd be OK with putting up a list of "Five most popular films, by box office totals", which is verifiable and not a matter of opinion, but other editors are resisting, on the grounds that they "know" which roles are notable. Truthiness, in a word.
I've been online for twenty years and I'm familiar with many BBS/Usenet/blog discussions of the "X best Y", all of which go on endlessly and are never resolved. I don't think "best", or "most notable", can ever be resolved by discussion; you have to have a metric to which everyone agrees.
I would appreciate it if we could have a binding policy on notable roles. Either drop them, or have a metric that isn't subjective. Zora 07:09, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
The article Jesus of Nazareth (film) (poor Franco Zeffirelli's) needs as many tags as it can get. I don't know where to start. Excellent film by the way. Hoverfish Talk 21:39, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Is there a good place to find box office and budget info? This info is hard to find, and it would be great if we could put it into wikipedia so it's easy to find for once. I know you can find new box office receipts, but I'm thinking of stuff like Shanghai Knights. - Peregrine Fisher 05:57, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
The Numbers is another site to check out. I would suggest being cautious in blindly drawing numbers from either site, though -- I think there was some discrepancy with the budget of Superman Returns, because whether these sites said $250 million, the director himself said $207 million. Obviously, go for the primary source for that information if you can, though the sites make the job easier. — Erik ( talk • contrib • review) - 04:00, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
I don't believe there exist any reliable sources for budget. Boxoffice figures are more publicly scrutinized and accountable. Reported "budgets," or "production costs" are generally highly fictitious, subject to rumor, exageration, speculation, and deliberate distortion. There aren't even reliable primary sources, as production companies are under no obligation to disclose their spending to the general public, and even from the point of view of an "insider," accountants have ways of shifting millions of dollars from one category to another for various purposes. Often, in the case of very expensive films, the people directly responsible for the production of a film are themselves only capable of rough estimates of cost that are tentative at best. I believe that no such figures should be listed unless they are qualified as "reported budget," or "reported production costs." Unless one of our editors actually has access to the details of an audit! zadignose 14:36, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
A lot of flags are now appearing in infoboxes alongside release dates. A flag for the country of origin isn't too bad an idea, but a lot of articles now have a flag to go with each release date. This is especially true for newer films. It seems really inappropriate to look at an article on a German film and see a huge American flag in the infobox to show its American release date. People not familiar with the film pages will see the flag and think this is for the country of origin. Can we not restrict these to country of origin only (if at all) and not have four or five in every infobox. The precise release date in every country is really a trivial item anyway, the only really important date is the year of first release. JW 11:56, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
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As suggested at WP:FLAGCRUFT, I have been using flags rather than country names for the release dates because the film infobox is narrow and flags take up less space than some country names; without a flag the dates can run onto two lines and look ugly (see examples on the right). The problem exists with any country's name longer than 4 letters; of course, with shorter country names like USA and UK this isn't a problem, but I've been using the flags anyway to be consistent. Cop 633 15:57, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
I have been adding release dates to many articles and I believe we need (1) The release date in the country that made the film. (2) The release dates in English-speaking countries (because this is the English Wikipedia). Release dates in the US, UK, Australia and New Zealand are not trivial to the many readers who may wish to know when it was released in their country. (3) In some cases, release dates in countries that are the subject of the film (e.g. Munich is not an Israeli film, but it would still be interesting to know when it was released there). We do not need the release dates in any other country. That's my system! Thoughts? Cop 633 14:21, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Would anyone object if I inserted my guidelines above into the style guidelines for film articles? I've noticed a number of excessive release dates in infoboxes and it would be good to have something to refer to when deleting them. Cop 633 19:29, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Exactly. It would be nice to list them all, and they could of course be located elsewhere in the article, but the infoboxes start to look silly if there are lots of them, so we need some guidelines about what to exclude from them. Cop 633 23:58, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Cbrown1023 talk 01:03, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
82.2.139.211 has been re-categorizing film articles, and has reverted edits to return his own changes, citing POV. Isn't he providing his own POV for the re-categorizations? I know the importance scale can be iffy, so I was wondering what the best way to determine these things were. — Erik ( talk • contrib • review) - 17:24, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
As importance is a matter of POV, where a dispute occurs about such a classification a "neutral ground" should be established (i.e removing the importance tag entirely). Then allow discussion to take place on the talk page before making a final decision. I noticed you are revert-warring the removal of the importance tag. Please dont do this again.
My suggested solution for the POV and general "grade-inflation" of such a tag (everybody want there arrticles to be classified "Top" after all) is to delete it from the template altogether. 82.2.139.211 17:28, February 7, 2007 (UTC)
Please, don't get all that excited about this "importance" thing. All the discussions we've had so far indicate that no one is taking it seriously and everyone thinks it's all POV, so why fight about it? Hoverfish Talk 17:50, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Considering I've fought a hard and long arguement with the anon, I'm going to raise my hand and say just to get rid of it. As it is, Film is agreed on one issue: not everyone will love or hate a film, so get rid of it. It's not like science, where importance is set in stone. Wiki-newbie 20:29, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
The importance field may not always be accurate, but it's a useful metric. If you're looking for important films, films with top importance is a good place to start looking. It is very subjective, so including the reasoning behind the choice would be good. - Peregrine Fisher 22:53, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
The current state of affairs for "importance" ratings looks pretty bad, and I don't forsee it being easily fixed, especially when there seems to be vigorous resistance to any efforts to fix it. Eliminate the importance rating, and discuss importance within a project talk page. zadignose 17:55, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
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Joel Coen's Blood Simple a B movie!!? I find this hard to believe! It's not even in the main article text. Hoverfish Talk 19:49, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
I suggest we split class stub into "mini-stub" or "sub-stub" for articles created with only one or two lines or even just a cast section after them and "basic-stub" or just "stub". The reason is that for such mini-stubs it's not worth to spend our time adding infoboxes and images, unless someone cares to develop them to a basic stub. Also if the minis appear in a talk-page category of their own, someone can go through their lot and check if some could do with an upward push. Hoverfish Talk 19:33, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Another idea instead of splitting the class, is to remove requests for infobox and image and create a new maintenance template leading to category "mini-stubs that need expansion". Hoverfish Talk 23:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
The reason I thought it over and gave a second idea, was that what Nehrams suggests involves too much tampering with template esoterics. I also did read the substub case, so I won't go for that name. Basically it's only a maintenance issue, so there is no point with starting discussions on ministubs vs stubs. If I go through the 1000 articles and simply replace all infobox/image requests with a new {{stub in need of expansion}}, which would contain [[Category:Stubs in need of expansion]], the problem would be solved very fast. It goes without saying that I would keep patroling the new category for stubs that got developed and would be swapping back to "needs infobox/image", where appropriate. Even if it's 400 articles in the new cat, since it's just a check-and-move-on, bo article will get forgotten for too long in there. As for the importance, Gren, well, just take a look at all the above: it won't do any good in this case. So, shall we go ahead with creating the new maintenance template? I will start a draft and let you know soon. Hoverfish Talk 16:35, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
I think Hoverfish has a very good idea here. The official main stub templates should remain the same on the main space pages but if wiki film has a template in the talk page with a new level of classification -sub-stub rather than stub for those tiny one or two liners for film project organization I feel this is very useful. It wouldn't affect the mainspace stub sorting system but would be a category for the film project e.g Category:Sub-stub class film articles Ernst Stavro Blofeld 17:13, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
Well, if there are no further objections I will create Category:Stubs needing expansion and plunge passionately in swapping the talk page templates. Hoverfish Talk 18:41, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
Yes, only for films. No, I don't suggest we delete the template as such (TfD?). I (we) have to go anyway through all those films, check for infobox and images, so if we find one has too little content all I do is swap the template. The extra loss of time is really insignificant. Ok, maybe the category should be "Very short stubs needing expansion" or something. Basically the desired positive result will be that members feel encouraged to keep on with the infobox campain. Hoverfish Talk 18:57, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
It seems User:SkierRMH got a better pattent on eliminating the overload problem: infoboxes proprtional to the size of the stub. Well, I have to admit it works. Hoverfish Talk 22:05, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
It seems that genre is not routinely mentioned in wiki film articles. the infobox would seem to be a good place to include it, I think. any thoughts on this? High Heels on Wet Pavement 15:49, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
The suggestion of genre in the infobox isn't gathering enough consensus and I am also opposed because of the problems it will create. It was turned down before, but for its most recent mention see: Template talk:Infobox Film#Genre. You could help however by putting in every film you visit the proper genre categories. Please make sure you read Cinematic genre and take a look at Category:Films by genre. If you decide to join in the categorizing effort, please give any related comments in our new categorization department. Hoverfish Talk 16:51, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
ok. thanks for swift reply.
High Heels on Wet Pavement 21:30, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
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FYI, I've listed all LGBT films without infoboxes at WikiProject LGBT studies, so we should be helping to tackle it there. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 11:51, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
I don't know if this has ever come up here before, I usually don't work on film articles. I would like to see film ratings for major English-speaking markets (US, Canada, UK, etc.) in the film articles, either in the info box or in a dedicated section of the article. I would prefer it to be in a dedicated section to explain why the film garnered such a rating (a film rated PG-13 in the US for realistic war violence is much different than a film with the same rating for adult themes, nudity and sexual inuendo). I know WP is an encyclopedia, not a parental guide, but the film rating is a big part of marketing strategy with directors and producers often aiming for a certain rating depending on their intended target audience. It is an important part of all films and in that sense is encyclopedic. Any thoughts?-- William Thweatt Talk | Contribs 17:58, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
I think we should all work from the beginning of the alphabet at Category:Articles that need a film infobox, that way we can see the progress as we go through the A's, then the B's. That's what I've been doing, and I can see the progress I'm making. I think the sense of accomplishment that would result would help motivate this endeavor. - Peregrine Fisher 23:11, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
I chose a small section (the letter E) to start cos I also like to see the end of a task.. nearly finished. The big ones look endless to me as a newbie... :s High Heels on Wet Pavement 23:51, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
I try to do some infoboxes sporadically... but, I just added every article from Category:Indian films that doesn't have an infobox of any sort. A lot of them have really incomplete ones... but, that's an issue for another time and another place. I'll end up doing some... but, to the people who chose letters... good luck :) -- gren グレン 12:49, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone know of a really good quality documentary article, similar to Trembling before G-d? Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 11:53, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Where does wikiepdia get the pictures for the DVD cover or video cover on film related articles, they look like too professional too have been taken with a digital camera as you can always make the small text out, does any one know where there from?? Thanks. Telly addict Editor review! 15:57, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
You can get them from amg, or follow merchandizing links from imdb and copy them from amazon or other selling websites. They should be low resolution (width about 200px) and it should not be stated that you need an extra permission to use them (like in most imdb posters). When uploading them, make sure you mention in the Summary box where you copied them from (copypaste full URL), in which article they should be used only and in the Licencing drop-down box, make sure you select either Movie poster or DVD cover or Video tape cover. I hope this helps. Hoverfish Talk 16:17, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi there. What the consensus on whether made-for-TV programmes should appear in the national lists of films? A Canadian Christmas TV special named Christmas Two Step had been categorized as a film, and hence appears in List of Canadian films: 1970s (see 1975). I don't think it should be there. While all films play on TV these days, I believe there remains a distinction between a film and something that's expressly made for TV. What's the consensus? Thanks. Shawn in Montreal 19:59, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
I remember once we had a film that was first aired on TV and WP television claimed it. In the last days I've met scores of TV films and even TV series and mini-series requesting film infobox. Do all these fall under our care or should we pass them to Television for services? There is {{Tv-movie-stub}}, then there is Category:Television films which is both under Category:Films by type and Category:Television programs. We have Category:Film serials but no TV serials. Shouldn't we draw a line between the projects somewhere? Hoverfish Talk 22:44, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I was thinking of leaving off TV programs (such as Christmas Two Step) entirely. For what it's worth, User:Ernst Stavro Blofeld, who played a central role in creating the Canada film list, wrote me on my Talk page to say he didn't want made-for-TV programs on the list... Shawn in Montreal 15:29, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
Ok, TV films are films and we can keep them. I see no big problem there. But what about series and miniseries (see Quo Vadis (1985 film))? Hoverfish Talk 17:00, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
Is the Film portal in our jurisdiction (not sure if that is correct, but you get the general idea)? It looks like it needs to be updated for the month, which we're already almost halfway done with now. Should we set this up better to make sure that it is updated? Or is there some outside group that takes care of it? -- Nehrams2020 05:07, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
Late last night, I decided to do a test page concerning years in the animation industry. It centred on one I've been thinking of doing for some time now, 1985.
Yes, Wikipedia has year pages dealing with film, but isn't it time someone did the same thing for cartoons?
This is only the start of a series that will aim to be a really good resource for fans of the genre. Please leave messages and opinioins here and on my talk. --Slg r a n d s o n ( page - messages - contribs) 18:56, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Is it discouraged to use the cast list from IMDb prior to a film's release? I've stuck to actual mentions of actors and actresses in articles, as I've found issues with the full reliability of IMDb. (A couple of examples come to mind: Aunt May as Carnage for Spider-Man 3 and Ed Norton as John Bauer for 24 Season 5.) Is there a specific way to address this? — Erik ( talk • contrib • review) - 19:03, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone here actually use the term 'motion picture' when speaking about films? I'm just wondering because I've been encountering it a lot in articles (e.g. "so-and-so is a 1998 motion picture"). To me it sounds incredibly quaint, so I always change it to 'film', but maybe I'm the one who's being eccentric. Thoughts? Cop 633 23:51, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Are there any guidelines for how much information we are putting in the infoboxes? Obviously the project will be completed much more quickly if we put the minimum amount of info in (as I've seen quite a lot recently) but is there much point in adding an infobox with just a title and maybe one or two names? Belovedfreak 17:10, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
For one thing, we don't have to put more info than what exists in the article. For another it would be good to add imdb (if article doesn't have it), to facilitate further development. The point in adding such an infobox with few entries, is that as the article develops, more info can be entered. This goes only for mini-stubs with a few lines and names. For more developed articles, we surely should put as much info as we find in the article. Of course we can spend more time expanding the article. The guideline says that the infobox isn't meant to replace article context. Hoverfish Talk 18:27, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
When I started early in the month, I put everything I could into each one, which is time-consuming. then I read here and reduced my content per box. I noticed on the way some articles have boxes which have been modified (the template has been reduced to fit the amount of info in the initial infobox added.) I think this is a potential problem -- if there are still blanks in the template they are more likely to be filled by subsequent editors.
High Heels on Wet Pavement 15:02, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
I think we should differentiate the needs for documentary assessment. The Great Warming, for example, couldn't possibly be expected to fulfill the same demands to become a Start. Hoverfish Talk 20:01, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Per a request at WP:REQT, I have created {{ Cite DVD-notes}} to allow for citation of sources accompanying a DVD release. — Dgies t c 22:47, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
User:Luigi Bob has recently been creating articles on some notable film editors and has brought it to my attention that a stub category doesn't exist for film editors. As film editors are a part of film and help to rid of red links in films please lend your support or opposition at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals. There are hundreds not stub categoirzed as editors and there are many many missing from wikipedia and I beleive they are an important part of the film making process. Thanks Ernst Stavro Blofeld 22:52, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
I had to revert much of The Corporation's article back to June 2006. It was basically an argument between a bunch of radical political anonymous editors that filled up the pages of the article, without any relevance to the movie The Corporation. Can you experienced WikiProject editors please step your game up and watch this article? It's a hotbed for breaking Wikipedia:No original research and Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a soapbox. I'm kind of dissapointed that it took someone half a year to revert them. Oh well. Please help! Add this to your watch list, and enforce wikipedia policies there.-- Urthogie 02:35, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
A bit of a battle recently on the Audio Commentaries page regarding various forms of alternate DVD commentaries needs to be resolved.
There seems to be much confusion over what exactly an alternate commentary is. The way the section was originally structured it only included fan-made commentaries - such as ones by MMM Commentaries, Renegade Commentaries, Podblast etc.
The meaning seems to have got lost now, withmany of the entries there aren't even alternate commentaries (merely official ones released in different ways ie. via the internet). Apart from Mike Nelson's entry for Rifftrax there is no mention there of true alternate commentaries.
References to groups like MMM have been removed for not being notable enough. I suppose I have come here to ask what does one have to do to be notable enough so an entry actually sticks on Wikipedia? The community of alternate commentary creators is a very small one as it is so we fight an up hill battle to be "notable" to begin with.
In my opinion the audio commentaries page needs to have a new section - one which talks about alternate methods for film-makers and studios distributing their commentaries (Battlestar Galactica, Kevin Smith etc) and the existing one structured back to its original purpose of fan-made alternate commentaries. MMM Commentaries 9:52, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
The push to fill in infoboxes (while great) has left many users doing partial infoboxes. While, for some movies it's almost impossible to find budget, etc. A lot don't have producer etc. filled in. So, is our next project going to be "completing infoboxes?" or how do we help to avoid this. gren グレン 08:21, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
When it has (in infobox template order):
Since, I figure we may as well address this issue now since it will be here in the future. What are the criterion needed to be "complete"--that is, not in need of serious attention that can easily be fixed. Most movies have all of that and more readily available on IMDb and are incomplete as a result of only being copied off of the page rather than further looking. Does this seem like fair criteria for a future cleanup effort? (since this discussion is already started) gren グレン 10:01, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Well... not really. However, after going through Category:Indian films and making sure each of them has an infobox or has a {{needs film infobox}} I've decided it is a noble effort to go through each nationality and add the template. It's better to do infoboxes, but, this is still necessary. Below will be a "master list" of who has done what. Just add the category and do a time stamp for when you finished it so we know how up to date it is. If it's only me doing it then, that works too :) -- gren グレン 12:56, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
All other categories have been checked as of 17:20, 24 February 2007 (UTC) but removed from page due to length issues'
Good idea this list. I was wondering how suddenly all the Indian film started pouring into the request infobox cat. I will join the checking here as soon as I clear letter S after T. Promise :) Hoverfish Talk 14:34, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
I just added an infobox to AC/DC: Let There Be Rock, but I don't know what country to use. It's a concert film with an Australian band filmed in Paris. According to an imdb user's comments, they were followed by a french film crew. - Peregrine Fisher 17:46, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
PhantomS 22:10, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
It seems to me that lots and lots of Indian films have appeared on the infobox needed list. As you know the Indian film industry generates a huge number of films each year ((877 feature films and 1177 short films made in India were released in the year 2003 alone according to wiki) . Does someone on wiki check the notability of those world cinema films appearing on the english side? I ask out of sheer selfishness, as I can see this turning into a totally unmanageable task at this rate, with some notable films being neglected whilst others are serviced, and 'Im not in a position to judge notability in this field. :D High Heels on Wet Pavement 22:27, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Indian Cinema has a project of its own, so if there are so many films, it should somehow organize some filtering / maintenance and upgrading action. I started adding infoboxes, but when I saw what was coming in I changed my mind. Some Tollywood films I saw earlier this week were excellently made with infoboxes, categories and all. The most important is that they have a well kept stock of biographies. A problem with Bollywood films is that they give names differently as per imdb and it gets tricky to decide what name to use. I suggest we deal only with some articles that seem nicely developed, with enough blue links in the cast and crew, or some older films that seem to have some "western" acclaim. I hope I'm not being discrimative. Hoverfish Talk 23:03, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Yes! I dont mind plodding through notable films and films where someone has made some effort, but if it isn't worth a decent stub to whoever started it, will it ever be developed? and is it therefore worth putting time into an infobox.... there are millions of films in the world (unconfirmed), and I'm not THAT Zen about working throught the backlog, are you?! High Heels on Wet Pavement 23:47, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
1000 indian films a year isn't that bad, it would just be 3 per day. It's just going to take a while to get caught up. Things look bad now because film articles that have been around for a while are just now getting tagged. If you look at the list of pages that need infoboes, it's relatively easy to tell which are foreign and which are domestic by their titles. If one wants, one could work only on the domestic films. Also, we could add small, imcomplete infoboxes to film articles that are only a couple of line. I could probably add 300 infoboxes a day, if I just included the films name. Should I do that to a bunch of the really small ones? - Peregrine Fisher 05:24, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm cross-posting this from wikiproject: Academy Awards - I'd appreciate some input.
The articles that list Oscar nominees and winners in the acting categories currently include little flags next to every actor indicating his/her country of origin. I propose that this is unnecessary, visually confusing, and subtly POV-pushing because a lot of these people are multi-national with citizenship in various places, and sometimes you'll see TWO flags (like Daniel Day-Lewis), or the flag of a country of birth but not the country of primary life-long citizenship (like Jessica Tandy) and vice-versa. Furthermore, some articles (like Best Actress) use the Union Jack for English actors, but others (like Best Actor) use different flags for England, Scotland, and Wales depending on what nationality an editor has decided to assign to an actor. All of this, however, doesn't even approach the question of why the flags are there to begin with; they don't impart any useful or trenchant information, and in fact they are simply irrelevant to the articles at hand. It seems like these flags should just be gotten rid of! Thoughts?- Dmz5 *Edits* *Talk* 15:42, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Hello to the members of the wikiproject film. Just wanted to let you know that some well meaning editor moved the film Local Hero from its original page to Local Hero (film). Unfortunately they did this by cutting and pasting rather than moving the page, thus losing all of the history. They also left the original page as a sort of disambiguation page, though it isn't named as such. I am not well versed enough in computer terms to fix this so I thought that I would leave a note here so those of you that know how to fix this situation can do so. Thanks to anyone who can help and enjoy the Oscars tomorrow. MarnetteD | Talk 20:27, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I listed this article at GAC recently, which is about a person who write scripts for both television and film. Since this Project is highliy qualified in assessing film related articles, can someone objectively review this article and pass / fail? I wouldn't normally ask, but sometimes there seems like too much of a backlog at GA, and the primary author of the article is currently tweaking it at peer review so it can be ready for FAC. Here's a link to the GAC subsection [3]. Thanks in advance for any help you may be able to give. LuciferMorgan 05:23, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
The members of WikiProject LGBT studies have completed our subproject of adding infoboxes to all LGBT-related films that didn't have them. The last 3 films in our sublist were completed this morning. If you know of any LGBT-related films missing infoboxes, please let us know at our Project talk page and we'll add them to our To Do list. -- DrGaellon | Talk 14:31, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
I inserted a DVD cover into Joan of Arc (1999 film) but there is a problem that maybe someone could fix. Thank you. Petre K. 01:43, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
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A plague has been spreading across the Indian cinema articles, and I gather it has its source outside. Editors have been putting a list of "Notable roles" in actor infoboxes. I've been removing them, on the grounds that it's personal opinion as to which roles are notable. I'd be OK with putting up a list of "Five most popular films, by box office totals", which is verifiable and not a matter of opinion, but other editors are resisting, on the grounds that they "know" which roles are notable. Truthiness, in a word.
I've been online for twenty years and I'm familiar with many BBS/Usenet/blog discussions of the "X best Y", all of which go on endlessly and are never resolved. I don't think "best", or "most notable", can ever be resolved by discussion; you have to have a metric to which everyone agrees.
I would appreciate it if we could have a binding policy on notable roles. Either drop them, or have a metric that isn't subjective. Zora 07:09, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
The article Jesus of Nazareth (film) (poor Franco Zeffirelli's) needs as many tags as it can get. I don't know where to start. Excellent film by the way. Hoverfish Talk 21:39, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Is there a good place to find box office and budget info? This info is hard to find, and it would be great if we could put it into wikipedia so it's easy to find for once. I know you can find new box office receipts, but I'm thinking of stuff like Shanghai Knights. - Peregrine Fisher 05:57, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
The Numbers is another site to check out. I would suggest being cautious in blindly drawing numbers from either site, though -- I think there was some discrepancy with the budget of Superman Returns, because whether these sites said $250 million, the director himself said $207 million. Obviously, go for the primary source for that information if you can, though the sites make the job easier. — Erik ( talk • contrib • review) - 04:00, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
I don't believe there exist any reliable sources for budget. Boxoffice figures are more publicly scrutinized and accountable. Reported "budgets," or "production costs" are generally highly fictitious, subject to rumor, exageration, speculation, and deliberate distortion. There aren't even reliable primary sources, as production companies are under no obligation to disclose their spending to the general public, and even from the point of view of an "insider," accountants have ways of shifting millions of dollars from one category to another for various purposes. Often, in the case of very expensive films, the people directly responsible for the production of a film are themselves only capable of rough estimates of cost that are tentative at best. I believe that no such figures should be listed unless they are qualified as "reported budget," or "reported production costs." Unless one of our editors actually has access to the details of an audit! zadignose 14:36, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
A lot of flags are now appearing in infoboxes alongside release dates. A flag for the country of origin isn't too bad an idea, but a lot of articles now have a flag to go with each release date. This is especially true for newer films. It seems really inappropriate to look at an article on a German film and see a huge American flag in the infobox to show its American release date. People not familiar with the film pages will see the flag and think this is for the country of origin. Can we not restrict these to country of origin only (if at all) and not have four or five in every infobox. The precise release date in every country is really a trivial item anyway, the only really important date is the year of first release. JW 11:56, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
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As suggested at WP:FLAGCRUFT, I have been using flags rather than country names for the release dates because the film infobox is narrow and flags take up less space than some country names; without a flag the dates can run onto two lines and look ugly (see examples on the right). The problem exists with any country's name longer than 4 letters; of course, with shorter country names like USA and UK this isn't a problem, but I've been using the flags anyway to be consistent. Cop 633 15:57, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
I have been adding release dates to many articles and I believe we need (1) The release date in the country that made the film. (2) The release dates in English-speaking countries (because this is the English Wikipedia). Release dates in the US, UK, Australia and New Zealand are not trivial to the many readers who may wish to know when it was released in their country. (3) In some cases, release dates in countries that are the subject of the film (e.g. Munich is not an Israeli film, but it would still be interesting to know when it was released there). We do not need the release dates in any other country. That's my system! Thoughts? Cop 633 14:21, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Would anyone object if I inserted my guidelines above into the style guidelines for film articles? I've noticed a number of excessive release dates in infoboxes and it would be good to have something to refer to when deleting them. Cop 633 19:29, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Exactly. It would be nice to list them all, and they could of course be located elsewhere in the article, but the infoboxes start to look silly if there are lots of them, so we need some guidelines about what to exclude from them. Cop 633 23:58, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Cbrown1023 talk 01:03, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
82.2.139.211 has been re-categorizing film articles, and has reverted edits to return his own changes, citing POV. Isn't he providing his own POV for the re-categorizations? I know the importance scale can be iffy, so I was wondering what the best way to determine these things were. — Erik ( talk • contrib • review) - 17:24, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
As importance is a matter of POV, where a dispute occurs about such a classification a "neutral ground" should be established (i.e removing the importance tag entirely). Then allow discussion to take place on the talk page before making a final decision. I noticed you are revert-warring the removal of the importance tag. Please dont do this again.
My suggested solution for the POV and general "grade-inflation" of such a tag (everybody want there arrticles to be classified "Top" after all) is to delete it from the template altogether. 82.2.139.211 17:28, February 7, 2007 (UTC)
Please, don't get all that excited about this "importance" thing. All the discussions we've had so far indicate that no one is taking it seriously and everyone thinks it's all POV, so why fight about it? Hoverfish Talk 17:50, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Considering I've fought a hard and long arguement with the anon, I'm going to raise my hand and say just to get rid of it. As it is, Film is agreed on one issue: not everyone will love or hate a film, so get rid of it. It's not like science, where importance is set in stone. Wiki-newbie 20:29, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
The importance field may not always be accurate, but it's a useful metric. If you're looking for important films, films with top importance is a good place to start looking. It is very subjective, so including the reasoning behind the choice would be good. - Peregrine Fisher 22:53, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
The current state of affairs for "importance" ratings looks pretty bad, and I don't forsee it being easily fixed, especially when there seems to be vigorous resistance to any efforts to fix it. Eliminate the importance rating, and discuss importance within a project talk page. zadignose 17:55, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
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Joel Coen's Blood Simple a B movie!!? I find this hard to believe! It's not even in the main article text. Hoverfish Talk 19:49, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
I suggest we split class stub into "mini-stub" or "sub-stub" for articles created with only one or two lines or even just a cast section after them and "basic-stub" or just "stub". The reason is that for such mini-stubs it's not worth to spend our time adding infoboxes and images, unless someone cares to develop them to a basic stub. Also if the minis appear in a talk-page category of their own, someone can go through their lot and check if some could do with an upward push. Hoverfish Talk 19:33, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Another idea instead of splitting the class, is to remove requests for infobox and image and create a new maintenance template leading to category "mini-stubs that need expansion". Hoverfish Talk 23:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
The reason I thought it over and gave a second idea, was that what Nehrams suggests involves too much tampering with template esoterics. I also did read the substub case, so I won't go for that name. Basically it's only a maintenance issue, so there is no point with starting discussions on ministubs vs stubs. If I go through the 1000 articles and simply replace all infobox/image requests with a new {{stub in need of expansion}}, which would contain [[Category:Stubs in need of expansion]], the problem would be solved very fast. It goes without saying that I would keep patroling the new category for stubs that got developed and would be swapping back to "needs infobox/image", where appropriate. Even if it's 400 articles in the new cat, since it's just a check-and-move-on, bo article will get forgotten for too long in there. As for the importance, Gren, well, just take a look at all the above: it won't do any good in this case. So, shall we go ahead with creating the new maintenance template? I will start a draft and let you know soon. Hoverfish Talk 16:35, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
I think Hoverfish has a very good idea here. The official main stub templates should remain the same on the main space pages but if wiki film has a template in the talk page with a new level of classification -sub-stub rather than stub for those tiny one or two liners for film project organization I feel this is very useful. It wouldn't affect the mainspace stub sorting system but would be a category for the film project e.g Category:Sub-stub class film articles Ernst Stavro Blofeld 17:13, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
Well, if there are no further objections I will create Category:Stubs needing expansion and plunge passionately in swapping the talk page templates. Hoverfish Talk 18:41, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
Yes, only for films. No, I don't suggest we delete the template as such (TfD?). I (we) have to go anyway through all those films, check for infobox and images, so if we find one has too little content all I do is swap the template. The extra loss of time is really insignificant. Ok, maybe the category should be "Very short stubs needing expansion" or something. Basically the desired positive result will be that members feel encouraged to keep on with the infobox campain. Hoverfish Talk 18:57, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
It seems User:SkierRMH got a better pattent on eliminating the overload problem: infoboxes proprtional to the size of the stub. Well, I have to admit it works. Hoverfish Talk 22:05, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
It seems that genre is not routinely mentioned in wiki film articles. the infobox would seem to be a good place to include it, I think. any thoughts on this? High Heels on Wet Pavement 15:49, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
The suggestion of genre in the infobox isn't gathering enough consensus and I am also opposed because of the problems it will create. It was turned down before, but for its most recent mention see: Template talk:Infobox Film#Genre. You could help however by putting in every film you visit the proper genre categories. Please make sure you read Cinematic genre and take a look at Category:Films by genre. If you decide to join in the categorizing effort, please give any related comments in our new categorization department. Hoverfish Talk 16:51, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
ok. thanks for swift reply.
High Heels on Wet Pavement 21:30, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
If you spot a filmography, or a list of awards, that is in reverse-chronological order, please either correct it to chronological order as per WP:LOW, or tag it with the template {{ MOSLOW}}. This template looks like this:
This article or section contains a list of works that does not follow the
Manual of Style for lists of works (often, but not always, due to being in reverse-chronological order) and may need
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FYI, I've listed all LGBT films without infoboxes at WikiProject LGBT studies, so we should be helping to tackle it there. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 11:51, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
I don't know if this has ever come up here before, I usually don't work on film articles. I would like to see film ratings for major English-speaking markets (US, Canada, UK, etc.) in the film articles, either in the info box or in a dedicated section of the article. I would prefer it to be in a dedicated section to explain why the film garnered such a rating (a film rated PG-13 in the US for realistic war violence is much different than a film with the same rating for adult themes, nudity and sexual inuendo). I know WP is an encyclopedia, not a parental guide, but the film rating is a big part of marketing strategy with directors and producers often aiming for a certain rating depending on their intended target audience. It is an important part of all films and in that sense is encyclopedic. Any thoughts?-- William Thweatt Talk | Contribs 17:58, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
I think we should all work from the beginning of the alphabet at Category:Articles that need a film infobox, that way we can see the progress as we go through the A's, then the B's. That's what I've been doing, and I can see the progress I'm making. I think the sense of accomplishment that would result would help motivate this endeavor. - Peregrine Fisher 23:11, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
I chose a small section (the letter E) to start cos I also like to see the end of a task.. nearly finished. The big ones look endless to me as a newbie... :s High Heels on Wet Pavement 23:51, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
I try to do some infoboxes sporadically... but, I just added every article from Category:Indian films that doesn't have an infobox of any sort. A lot of them have really incomplete ones... but, that's an issue for another time and another place. I'll end up doing some... but, to the people who chose letters... good luck :) -- gren グレン 12:49, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone know of a really good quality documentary article, similar to Trembling before G-d? Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 11:53, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Where does wikiepdia get the pictures for the DVD cover or video cover on film related articles, they look like too professional too have been taken with a digital camera as you can always make the small text out, does any one know where there from?? Thanks. Telly addict Editor review! 15:57, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
You can get them from amg, or follow merchandizing links from imdb and copy them from amazon or other selling websites. They should be low resolution (width about 200px) and it should not be stated that you need an extra permission to use them (like in most imdb posters). When uploading them, make sure you mention in the Summary box where you copied them from (copypaste full URL), in which article they should be used only and in the Licencing drop-down box, make sure you select either Movie poster or DVD cover or Video tape cover. I hope this helps. Hoverfish Talk 16:17, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi there. What the consensus on whether made-for-TV programmes should appear in the national lists of films? A Canadian Christmas TV special named Christmas Two Step had been categorized as a film, and hence appears in List of Canadian films: 1970s (see 1975). I don't think it should be there. While all films play on TV these days, I believe there remains a distinction between a film and something that's expressly made for TV. What's the consensus? Thanks. Shawn in Montreal 19:59, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
I remember once we had a film that was first aired on TV and WP television claimed it. In the last days I've met scores of TV films and even TV series and mini-series requesting film infobox. Do all these fall under our care or should we pass them to Television for services? There is {{Tv-movie-stub}}, then there is Category:Television films which is both under Category:Films by type and Category:Television programs. We have Category:Film serials but no TV serials. Shouldn't we draw a line between the projects somewhere? Hoverfish Talk 22:44, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I was thinking of leaving off TV programs (such as Christmas Two Step) entirely. For what it's worth, User:Ernst Stavro Blofeld, who played a central role in creating the Canada film list, wrote me on my Talk page to say he didn't want made-for-TV programs on the list... Shawn in Montreal 15:29, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
Ok, TV films are films and we can keep them. I see no big problem there. But what about series and miniseries (see Quo Vadis (1985 film))? Hoverfish Talk 17:00, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
Is the Film portal in our jurisdiction (not sure if that is correct, but you get the general idea)? It looks like it needs to be updated for the month, which we're already almost halfway done with now. Should we set this up better to make sure that it is updated? Or is there some outside group that takes care of it? -- Nehrams2020 05:07, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
Late last night, I decided to do a test page concerning years in the animation industry. It centred on one I've been thinking of doing for some time now, 1985.
Yes, Wikipedia has year pages dealing with film, but isn't it time someone did the same thing for cartoons?
This is only the start of a series that will aim to be a really good resource for fans of the genre. Please leave messages and opinioins here and on my talk. --Slg r a n d s o n ( page - messages - contribs) 18:56, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Is it discouraged to use the cast list from IMDb prior to a film's release? I've stuck to actual mentions of actors and actresses in articles, as I've found issues with the full reliability of IMDb. (A couple of examples come to mind: Aunt May as Carnage for Spider-Man 3 and Ed Norton as John Bauer for 24 Season 5.) Is there a specific way to address this? — Erik ( talk • contrib • review) - 19:03, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone here actually use the term 'motion picture' when speaking about films? I'm just wondering because I've been encountering it a lot in articles (e.g. "so-and-so is a 1998 motion picture"). To me it sounds incredibly quaint, so I always change it to 'film', but maybe I'm the one who's being eccentric. Thoughts? Cop 633 23:51, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Are there any guidelines for how much information we are putting in the infoboxes? Obviously the project will be completed much more quickly if we put the minimum amount of info in (as I've seen quite a lot recently) but is there much point in adding an infobox with just a title and maybe one or two names? Belovedfreak 17:10, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
For one thing, we don't have to put more info than what exists in the article. For another it would be good to add imdb (if article doesn't have it), to facilitate further development. The point in adding such an infobox with few entries, is that as the article develops, more info can be entered. This goes only for mini-stubs with a few lines and names. For more developed articles, we surely should put as much info as we find in the article. Of course we can spend more time expanding the article. The guideline says that the infobox isn't meant to replace article context. Hoverfish Talk 18:27, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
When I started early in the month, I put everything I could into each one, which is time-consuming. then I read here and reduced my content per box. I noticed on the way some articles have boxes which have been modified (the template has been reduced to fit the amount of info in the initial infobox added.) I think this is a potential problem -- if there are still blanks in the template they are more likely to be filled by subsequent editors.
High Heels on Wet Pavement 15:02, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
I think we should differentiate the needs for documentary assessment. The Great Warming, for example, couldn't possibly be expected to fulfill the same demands to become a Start. Hoverfish Talk 20:01, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Per a request at WP:REQT, I have created {{ Cite DVD-notes}} to allow for citation of sources accompanying a DVD release. — Dgies t c 22:47, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
User:Luigi Bob has recently been creating articles on some notable film editors and has brought it to my attention that a stub category doesn't exist for film editors. As film editors are a part of film and help to rid of red links in films please lend your support or opposition at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals. There are hundreds not stub categoirzed as editors and there are many many missing from wikipedia and I beleive they are an important part of the film making process. Thanks Ernst Stavro Blofeld 22:52, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
I had to revert much of The Corporation's article back to June 2006. It was basically an argument between a bunch of radical political anonymous editors that filled up the pages of the article, without any relevance to the movie The Corporation. Can you experienced WikiProject editors please step your game up and watch this article? It's a hotbed for breaking Wikipedia:No original research and Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a soapbox. I'm kind of dissapointed that it took someone half a year to revert them. Oh well. Please help! Add this to your watch list, and enforce wikipedia policies there.-- Urthogie 02:35, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
A bit of a battle recently on the Audio Commentaries page regarding various forms of alternate DVD commentaries needs to be resolved.
There seems to be much confusion over what exactly an alternate commentary is. The way the section was originally structured it only included fan-made commentaries - such as ones by MMM Commentaries, Renegade Commentaries, Podblast etc.
The meaning seems to have got lost now, withmany of the entries there aren't even alternate commentaries (merely official ones released in different ways ie. via the internet). Apart from Mike Nelson's entry for Rifftrax there is no mention there of true alternate commentaries.
References to groups like MMM have been removed for not being notable enough. I suppose I have come here to ask what does one have to do to be notable enough so an entry actually sticks on Wikipedia? The community of alternate commentary creators is a very small one as it is so we fight an up hill battle to be "notable" to begin with.
In my opinion the audio commentaries page needs to have a new section - one which talks about alternate methods for film-makers and studios distributing their commentaries (Battlestar Galactica, Kevin Smith etc) and the existing one structured back to its original purpose of fan-made alternate commentaries. MMM Commentaries 9:52, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
The push to fill in infoboxes (while great) has left many users doing partial infoboxes. While, for some movies it's almost impossible to find budget, etc. A lot don't have producer etc. filled in. So, is our next project going to be "completing infoboxes?" or how do we help to avoid this. gren グレン 08:21, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
When it has (in infobox template order):
Since, I figure we may as well address this issue now since it will be here in the future. What are the criterion needed to be "complete"--that is, not in need of serious attention that can easily be fixed. Most movies have all of that and more readily available on IMDb and are incomplete as a result of only being copied off of the page rather than further looking. Does this seem like fair criteria for a future cleanup effort? (since this discussion is already started) gren グレン 10:01, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Well... not really. However, after going through Category:Indian films and making sure each of them has an infobox or has a {{needs film infobox}} I've decided it is a noble effort to go through each nationality and add the template. It's better to do infoboxes, but, this is still necessary. Below will be a "master list" of who has done what. Just add the category and do a time stamp for when you finished it so we know how up to date it is. If it's only me doing it then, that works too :) -- gren グレン 12:56, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
All other categories have been checked as of 17:20, 24 February 2007 (UTC) but removed from page due to length issues'
Good idea this list. I was wondering how suddenly all the Indian film started pouring into the request infobox cat. I will join the checking here as soon as I clear letter S after T. Promise :) Hoverfish Talk 14:34, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
I just added an infobox to AC/DC: Let There Be Rock, but I don't know what country to use. It's a concert film with an Australian band filmed in Paris. According to an imdb user's comments, they were followed by a french film crew. - Peregrine Fisher 17:46, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
PhantomS 22:10, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
It seems to me that lots and lots of Indian films have appeared on the infobox needed list. As you know the Indian film industry generates a huge number of films each year ((877 feature films and 1177 short films made in India were released in the year 2003 alone according to wiki) . Does someone on wiki check the notability of those world cinema films appearing on the english side? I ask out of sheer selfishness, as I can see this turning into a totally unmanageable task at this rate, with some notable films being neglected whilst others are serviced, and 'Im not in a position to judge notability in this field. :D High Heels on Wet Pavement 22:27, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Indian Cinema has a project of its own, so if there are so many films, it should somehow organize some filtering / maintenance and upgrading action. I started adding infoboxes, but when I saw what was coming in I changed my mind. Some Tollywood films I saw earlier this week were excellently made with infoboxes, categories and all. The most important is that they have a well kept stock of biographies. A problem with Bollywood films is that they give names differently as per imdb and it gets tricky to decide what name to use. I suggest we deal only with some articles that seem nicely developed, with enough blue links in the cast and crew, or some older films that seem to have some "western" acclaim. I hope I'm not being discrimative. Hoverfish Talk 23:03, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Yes! I dont mind plodding through notable films and films where someone has made some effort, but if it isn't worth a decent stub to whoever started it, will it ever be developed? and is it therefore worth putting time into an infobox.... there are millions of films in the world (unconfirmed), and I'm not THAT Zen about working throught the backlog, are you?! High Heels on Wet Pavement 23:47, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
1000 indian films a year isn't that bad, it would just be 3 per day. It's just going to take a while to get caught up. Things look bad now because film articles that have been around for a while are just now getting tagged. If you look at the list of pages that need infoboes, it's relatively easy to tell which are foreign and which are domestic by their titles. If one wants, one could work only on the domestic films. Also, we could add small, imcomplete infoboxes to film articles that are only a couple of line. I could probably add 300 infoboxes a day, if I just included the films name. Should I do that to a bunch of the really small ones? - Peregrine Fisher 05:24, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm cross-posting this from wikiproject: Academy Awards - I'd appreciate some input.
The articles that list Oscar nominees and winners in the acting categories currently include little flags next to every actor indicating his/her country of origin. I propose that this is unnecessary, visually confusing, and subtly POV-pushing because a lot of these people are multi-national with citizenship in various places, and sometimes you'll see TWO flags (like Daniel Day-Lewis), or the flag of a country of birth but not the country of primary life-long citizenship (like Jessica Tandy) and vice-versa. Furthermore, some articles (like Best Actress) use the Union Jack for English actors, but others (like Best Actor) use different flags for England, Scotland, and Wales depending on what nationality an editor has decided to assign to an actor. All of this, however, doesn't even approach the question of why the flags are there to begin with; they don't impart any useful or trenchant information, and in fact they are simply irrelevant to the articles at hand. It seems like these flags should just be gotten rid of! Thoughts?- Dmz5 *Edits* *Talk* 15:42, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Hello to the members of the wikiproject film. Just wanted to let you know that some well meaning editor moved the film Local Hero from its original page to Local Hero (film). Unfortunately they did this by cutting and pasting rather than moving the page, thus losing all of the history. They also left the original page as a sort of disambiguation page, though it isn't named as such. I am not well versed enough in computer terms to fix this so I thought that I would leave a note here so those of you that know how to fix this situation can do so. Thanks to anyone who can help and enjoy the Oscars tomorrow. MarnetteD | Talk 20:27, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I listed this article at GAC recently, which is about a person who write scripts for both television and film. Since this Project is highliy qualified in assessing film related articles, can someone objectively review this article and pass / fail? I wouldn't normally ask, but sometimes there seems like too much of a backlog at GA, and the primary author of the article is currently tweaking it at peer review so it can be ready for FAC. Here's a link to the GAC subsection [3]. Thanks in advance for any help you may be able to give. LuciferMorgan 05:23, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
The members of WikiProject LGBT studies have completed our subproject of adding infoboxes to all LGBT-related films that didn't have them. The last 3 films in our sublist were completed this morning. If you know of any LGBT-related films missing infoboxes, please let us know at our Project talk page and we'll add them to our To Do list. -- DrGaellon | Talk 14:31, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
I inserted a DVD cover into Joan of Arc (1999 film) but there is a problem that maybe someone could fix. Thank you. Petre K. 01:43, 28 February 2007 (UTC)