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I'm proposing the creation of this page, as I believe there are enough subjects:
(outdent)It seems valid to have Doctor Doomsday there, since (myself being confused), it seems that people would consider him similar to Dr. Doom. I don't particularly think the other links besides Doctor Doom and Marc Faber are necessary - yes, they are about similar Dr. Doom topics, but they are not confusable by title, and would be more appropriate in the Doctor Doom article (which many/all of them are). -- Natalya 21:52, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
I was wondering if such a page could be used to disambiguate:
I'm working on a bot to add missing entries to DABs, and it has run into some problematic pages like McCain (disambiguation). This used to be tagged as a DAB, but now is just a {{ surname}} page. Nonetheless, it has a few non–personal name links at the bottom. (Other examples include Riemann (disambiguation) and Yakovlev (disambiguation).) Most surname pages are not disambiguation pages, supposedly, but this one is a mix. I am a bit confused over DAB vs. surname vs. hndis—can anyone share their theories about this? Thanks. — johndburger 16:41, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
(undent)I've been editing the John McCain article quite a bit lately. I just want to mention that, whatever you all decide, I hope it will not involve more than one hat note on the article. More than that would be unnecessary, and would have a cluttered appearance, IMHO. Ferrylodge ( talk) 22:10, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Anyone want to merge these two into one page? Lord Sesshomaru ( talk • edits) 22:19, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
This morning I ran AWB on Confederacy for about 3 hours and it found nothing. I believe the "pages with links" page says it has something like 188. The "what links here" shows quite a long list in the article namespace, but I've started checking the first few and I can't find any mention of the word. A search of the template namespace doesn't turn up anything. Since there are so many listings, I'm going to assume I'm doing something wrong. Can anybody guess what that might be? -- AnnaFrance ( talk) 20:31, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Can someone fix up that top section? Overlinking appears to be a problem there. Lord Sesshomaru ( talk • edits) 03:59, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
I'd appreciate if somebody could help out with Tombstoning - it's clearly needing a clean-up and is basically a list of dictionary definitions and entries that are otherwise not notable. Add to that a references section... I don't have the time just to do this properly, talking the issue through with contributors as to why those entries are misplaced. Thanks/ wangi ( talk) 11:05, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
There seems to be a disagreement as to what links are appropriate for these dab pages, primarily epicene. Any views on contemporary semantics would also be appreciated. -- Yamara ✉ 23:56, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Would it be possible or reasonable to have a bot that would carry out disambiguation page cleanup? It seems to me that a bot could remove punctuation from the end of entries, convert numbered lists to bullet point lists by switching #'s to *'s at the beginning of any line, comment out external links and reference sections, and remove any categories besides the few which belong on a DAB page. These changes alone would mean cleanup on 50,000+ pages.
It would not, I don't think, be possible for a bot to fully clean up a page. There is no way a bot would be able to tell which of the blue links in an entry to remove, or how exactly to go about fixing improper piping, or which red links to remove, or how to reorganize an entry to make the link the first word in an entry. But there is a lot a bot could do. -- Xyzzyplugh ( talk) 17:35, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Hmm... interesting idea. There definitly seem to be some tasks that it could do, and definitly a lot that it couldn't to. I'd have no qualms about a bot to remove periods, and to change numbered lists to bulleted lists (although, I've actually never seen a numbered list dab). Can we think of other tasks it could do that wouldn't require human input? Even if it couldn't fix it, could we get it to tag pages with the {{ disambig-cleanup}} where it sees multiple blue links in a line or no primary topic when the page is located at "term (disambiguation)". That would still aid the human editors in finding the pages that need work.
As a follow up, I have no idea how to run a bot/write the code for it, but I think it would be really cool to learn how to do. I'd love to do this! -- Natalya 19:19, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Despite the discussion on Talk:Master Chief, I now realize that this shouldn't be a disambiguation page. Master Chief (Halo), which I believe is the popular choice, should be moved to this title and a hatnote to Master Chief Petty Officer would be more than appropriate. Show of hands? Lord Sesshomaru ( talk • edits) 04:10, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
This may be of interest to this project:
I'm writing a bot to convert unformatted hatnotes to one of the hatnote templates. I'd like to have some feedback about this idea at Wikipedia talk:Hatnote#Converting hatnotes to templates. -- Eugène van der Pijll ( talk) 21:59, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
There currently is a discussion underway on Talk:Railroad about whether the Railroad disambiguation page should be moved and redirected to a primary topic. It would be helpful to have more editors review the page and express their views. -- Russ (talk) 21:06, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
Penia contains two articles at the moment - one on an Italian bread and another more substantial on a Greek deity. Really if I understand disambiguation properly it should be split into two articles, with the bulk of the article content and its interwiki links relocated to something like Penia (personification) and a stub created at Penia (bread) to contain the fragments of information about bread, and Penia should be kept as a disambiguation page. I am not sure how to do this bearing in mind the GFDL complications and also because I do not have access to page moving as I am a new editor. Can somebody help me out, if only to tell me how to report this page as needing disambiguating? TwoMightyGods Persuasion Necessity 20:01, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
I'd Do Anything redirects to I'd Do Anything (disambiguation), and the page could use a little cleanup. Lord Sesshomaru ( talk • edits) 17:56, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
What is this exactly? And why are there dab pages categorized here? Lord Sesshomaru ( talk • edits) 23:01, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
There are some parts which should be changed to a disambiguation. Since I'm from de.wp I don't know anything about your guidelines and cannot do it by myself. Thank you, -- Flominator ( talk) 08:35, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
I was wondering if people here knew about a fairly powerful way of finding lists of articles that may be useful for surname pages and surname disambiguation pages? It is similar to the "prefix index" method of finding all articles related to a given name (eg. All page starting "William", which I believe is part of one of the templates used on name articles). For surnames, you can try a search (and this is always needed because there are always some articles that aren't classified properly), but a good starting point is the entry in a category containing all articles about people. Now, this super-category doesn't yet exist ( Category:People is currently subdivided rather than fully populated), but a good example does exist at Category:Living people. Assuming that the relevant articles are correctly sorted (by DEFAULTSORT or pipesorted for the 'living people' category), it is possible to jump to the relevant point in the category to find the articles on living people with the surname Brackman. This can then be compared with the articles Brackman, Brackman (name), and Brackman (surname) (none of these exist), and a normal search for Brackman, and the end result is a list of five names: Barbara Brackman, Levi Brackman, Andrew Brackman, Robert Brackman, and Jacob Brackman. My question is where people should go from here as far as constructing disambiguation pages and name pages (the latter is not in scope here, but is related)? Any advice? I found Wikipedia:Suggestions for name disambiguation, but that doesn't seem to be active at the moment. Carcharoth ( talk) 18:45, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Could people here suggest the best way to synchronise between disambiguation pages in different langauge wikipedias? Obviously adding interwikis is a good first step, but should we go further than that and make the pages match up? Different language wikipedias will have different standards on how to lay out the information (and also different inclusion standards as well), but the same basic information could be synchronised across pages. This is especially relevant with the advent of Single User Login (SUL). As an example, see Guillemin, which is in origin a French name (see fr:Guillemin), and Griesbach, which is in origin a German name (see de:Griesbach). Are there any guidelines on this and on whether it is OK to add redlinks with an interwikilink to the page on another language wikipedia, like I did for Amédée Guillemin here? See fr:Amédée Guillemin. Carcharoth ( talk) 10:12, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
This seems a good idea superficially but surely not in practice.
Could I get the opinions of some dabby-types at the village pump? Cheers! JohnnyMrNinja 16:47, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
![]() | This is not an article; this is a
disambiguation page, for directing readers quickly to intended articles. For a quick guide, see
disambiguation dos and don'ts. For more details, see the complete
disambiguation page style guideline.
Some noteworthy differences from articles: |
I asked at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 40#Template for edit-mode-only in dab pages whether it is possible to create a warning message box for the top of all dab pages, that only appear when in edit-mode. We've created {{ Disambig editintro}} (seen above), which works just like MediaWiki:Talkpagetext, except that it disappears once you click "preview". Now we just need a show of support, to get it added into Mediawiki talk:Common.js, if you agree that it is a good idea.
You can test it out by adding importScript("User:RockMFR/disambigeditintro.js");
to
Special:Mypage/monobook.js, hard refresh, and visit a disambiguation page, e.g.
A Wonderful Life or
Aboncourt.
(The wording in the box is a separate question. Feel free to tweak or improve (or discuss). Just try to keep the wording minimal :)
So, any support or objections for the overall idea? Please and thank you :) -- Quiddity ( talk) 02:41, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
Why this particular page title? I think " Chi Chi" would serve best, especially because there appear to be more entries named as such. Thoughts? Lord Sesshomaru ( talk • edits) 03:13, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
I've found one instance (and I think there may be more) where an article page links to a dab page I'm working on, and the only instance of the dab page word I can find anywhere is in a couple of citations that have the word (which happens in that case to be an author's name) in authorlink=. What do I do in these cases? -- AnnaFrance (talk) 04:27, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
Here goes: User:Abtract is aware that the use of primary topic(s) is only necessary when the dab has "(disambiguation)" in the page title. Think we all know that right? Despite knowing this, he willingly places a primary topic on dabs which do not have "(disambiguation)" as part of the title. I've been having to "clean up" after him for a while, but can only find two instances, see his edit to LSM and Wow. I have tried asking the editor to change his view, but he refuses (as seen when he removed my concerns from his talk page after an attempt of modifying my comments [2]). Any ideas on how to solve this? Or should I let him has his way? Lord Sesshomaru ( talk • edits) 04:45, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
There is a proposed bot which would attempt cleanup on (eventually) all 100,000 disambiguation pages. See Wikipedia:Bots/Requests_for_approval#fuBot. -- Xyzzyplugh ( talk) 08:10, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
In case anyone is interested in commenting: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tada Station (disambiguation). Paul Erik (talk) (contribs) 04:42, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
Could someone take a look at this? The page does look like it could use a little revamping. Lord Sesshomaru ( talk • edits) 19:27, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
It has just come to my attention that the template {{ NA Broadcast List}}, which appears to be transcluded onto 66 pages, includes {{ disambig}} in the transcluded text. Therefore, none of these 66 disambiguation pages has {{ disambig}} in its own text, which means that bots and other tools that look for this in the text will not identify them as disambiguation pages. It seems to me that it is a potentially serious obstacle to efforts to identify and fix links to disambiguation pages if we cannot even identify which pages are disambiguations. Is there a technical fix for this? -- Russ (talk) 21:15, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
I don't think I've seen another pair of disambiguation pages like this, though they must exist. John Campbell has a few dozen names, about a quarter with red links. John Campbell (footballer) has eight entries, with only three blue links. Two of those are already repeated in the main disambiguation page; I'll go add the third. Is this the best set-up for subsidiary disambiguation pages? Should the footballer be merged and redirected, or kept as a harmless and convenient bit of duplication? ·:· Will Beback ·:· 06:25, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
Please see here for a suggested set of new dab pages, asnd comment as you think fit. -- AndrewHowse ( talk) 23:05, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
I think this page should be deleted, but I have no experience in that process. This term is not referenced in either of the articles linked on the page, and in fact one of the links is to a dab page. Maybe someone could come up with a decent redirect, but I couldn't figure one out. Any thoughts? SlackerMom ( talk) 15:22, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
Hmm... there's also an article-mentioned use (and a different form of the term) in the article Handspring (gymnastics). -- Natalya 21:11, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 5 | ← | Archive 8 | Archive 9 | Archive 10 | Archive 11 | Archive 12 | → | Archive 15 |
I'm proposing the creation of this page, as I believe there are enough subjects:
(outdent)It seems valid to have Doctor Doomsday there, since (myself being confused), it seems that people would consider him similar to Dr. Doom. I don't particularly think the other links besides Doctor Doom and Marc Faber are necessary - yes, they are about similar Dr. Doom topics, but they are not confusable by title, and would be more appropriate in the Doctor Doom article (which many/all of them are). -- Natalya 21:52, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
I was wondering if such a page could be used to disambiguate:
I'm working on a bot to add missing entries to DABs, and it has run into some problematic pages like McCain (disambiguation). This used to be tagged as a DAB, but now is just a {{ surname}} page. Nonetheless, it has a few non–personal name links at the bottom. (Other examples include Riemann (disambiguation) and Yakovlev (disambiguation).) Most surname pages are not disambiguation pages, supposedly, but this one is a mix. I am a bit confused over DAB vs. surname vs. hndis—can anyone share their theories about this? Thanks. — johndburger 16:41, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
(undent)I've been editing the John McCain article quite a bit lately. I just want to mention that, whatever you all decide, I hope it will not involve more than one hat note on the article. More than that would be unnecessary, and would have a cluttered appearance, IMHO. Ferrylodge ( talk) 22:10, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Anyone want to merge these two into one page? Lord Sesshomaru ( talk • edits) 22:19, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
This morning I ran AWB on Confederacy for about 3 hours and it found nothing. I believe the "pages with links" page says it has something like 188. The "what links here" shows quite a long list in the article namespace, but I've started checking the first few and I can't find any mention of the word. A search of the template namespace doesn't turn up anything. Since there are so many listings, I'm going to assume I'm doing something wrong. Can anybody guess what that might be? -- AnnaFrance ( talk) 20:31, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Can someone fix up that top section? Overlinking appears to be a problem there. Lord Sesshomaru ( talk • edits) 03:59, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
I'd appreciate if somebody could help out with Tombstoning - it's clearly needing a clean-up and is basically a list of dictionary definitions and entries that are otherwise not notable. Add to that a references section... I don't have the time just to do this properly, talking the issue through with contributors as to why those entries are misplaced. Thanks/ wangi ( talk) 11:05, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
There seems to be a disagreement as to what links are appropriate for these dab pages, primarily epicene. Any views on contemporary semantics would also be appreciated. -- Yamara ✉ 23:56, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Would it be possible or reasonable to have a bot that would carry out disambiguation page cleanup? It seems to me that a bot could remove punctuation from the end of entries, convert numbered lists to bullet point lists by switching #'s to *'s at the beginning of any line, comment out external links and reference sections, and remove any categories besides the few which belong on a DAB page. These changes alone would mean cleanup on 50,000+ pages.
It would not, I don't think, be possible for a bot to fully clean up a page. There is no way a bot would be able to tell which of the blue links in an entry to remove, or how exactly to go about fixing improper piping, or which red links to remove, or how to reorganize an entry to make the link the first word in an entry. But there is a lot a bot could do. -- Xyzzyplugh ( talk) 17:35, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Hmm... interesting idea. There definitly seem to be some tasks that it could do, and definitly a lot that it couldn't to. I'd have no qualms about a bot to remove periods, and to change numbered lists to bulleted lists (although, I've actually never seen a numbered list dab). Can we think of other tasks it could do that wouldn't require human input? Even if it couldn't fix it, could we get it to tag pages with the {{ disambig-cleanup}} where it sees multiple blue links in a line or no primary topic when the page is located at "term (disambiguation)". That would still aid the human editors in finding the pages that need work.
As a follow up, I have no idea how to run a bot/write the code for it, but I think it would be really cool to learn how to do. I'd love to do this! -- Natalya 19:19, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Despite the discussion on Talk:Master Chief, I now realize that this shouldn't be a disambiguation page. Master Chief (Halo), which I believe is the popular choice, should be moved to this title and a hatnote to Master Chief Petty Officer would be more than appropriate. Show of hands? Lord Sesshomaru ( talk • edits) 04:10, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
This may be of interest to this project:
I'm writing a bot to convert unformatted hatnotes to one of the hatnote templates. I'd like to have some feedback about this idea at Wikipedia talk:Hatnote#Converting hatnotes to templates. -- Eugène van der Pijll ( talk) 21:59, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
There currently is a discussion underway on Talk:Railroad about whether the Railroad disambiguation page should be moved and redirected to a primary topic. It would be helpful to have more editors review the page and express their views. -- Russ (talk) 21:06, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
Penia contains two articles at the moment - one on an Italian bread and another more substantial on a Greek deity. Really if I understand disambiguation properly it should be split into two articles, with the bulk of the article content and its interwiki links relocated to something like Penia (personification) and a stub created at Penia (bread) to contain the fragments of information about bread, and Penia should be kept as a disambiguation page. I am not sure how to do this bearing in mind the GFDL complications and also because I do not have access to page moving as I am a new editor. Can somebody help me out, if only to tell me how to report this page as needing disambiguating? TwoMightyGods Persuasion Necessity 20:01, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
I'd Do Anything redirects to I'd Do Anything (disambiguation), and the page could use a little cleanup. Lord Sesshomaru ( talk • edits) 17:56, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
What is this exactly? And why are there dab pages categorized here? Lord Sesshomaru ( talk • edits) 23:01, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
There are some parts which should be changed to a disambiguation. Since I'm from de.wp I don't know anything about your guidelines and cannot do it by myself. Thank you, -- Flominator ( talk) 08:35, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
I was wondering if people here knew about a fairly powerful way of finding lists of articles that may be useful for surname pages and surname disambiguation pages? It is similar to the "prefix index" method of finding all articles related to a given name (eg. All page starting "William", which I believe is part of one of the templates used on name articles). For surnames, you can try a search (and this is always needed because there are always some articles that aren't classified properly), but a good starting point is the entry in a category containing all articles about people. Now, this super-category doesn't yet exist ( Category:People is currently subdivided rather than fully populated), but a good example does exist at Category:Living people. Assuming that the relevant articles are correctly sorted (by DEFAULTSORT or pipesorted for the 'living people' category), it is possible to jump to the relevant point in the category to find the articles on living people with the surname Brackman. This can then be compared with the articles Brackman, Brackman (name), and Brackman (surname) (none of these exist), and a normal search for Brackman, and the end result is a list of five names: Barbara Brackman, Levi Brackman, Andrew Brackman, Robert Brackman, and Jacob Brackman. My question is where people should go from here as far as constructing disambiguation pages and name pages (the latter is not in scope here, but is related)? Any advice? I found Wikipedia:Suggestions for name disambiguation, but that doesn't seem to be active at the moment. Carcharoth ( talk) 18:45, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Could people here suggest the best way to synchronise between disambiguation pages in different langauge wikipedias? Obviously adding interwikis is a good first step, but should we go further than that and make the pages match up? Different language wikipedias will have different standards on how to lay out the information (and also different inclusion standards as well), but the same basic information could be synchronised across pages. This is especially relevant with the advent of Single User Login (SUL). As an example, see Guillemin, which is in origin a French name (see fr:Guillemin), and Griesbach, which is in origin a German name (see de:Griesbach). Are there any guidelines on this and on whether it is OK to add redlinks with an interwikilink to the page on another language wikipedia, like I did for Amédée Guillemin here? See fr:Amédée Guillemin. Carcharoth ( talk) 10:12, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
This seems a good idea superficially but surely not in practice.
Could I get the opinions of some dabby-types at the village pump? Cheers! JohnnyMrNinja 16:47, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
![]() | This is not an article; this is a
disambiguation page, for directing readers quickly to intended articles. For a quick guide, see
disambiguation dos and don'ts. For more details, see the complete
disambiguation page style guideline.
Some noteworthy differences from articles: |
I asked at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 40#Template for edit-mode-only in dab pages whether it is possible to create a warning message box for the top of all dab pages, that only appear when in edit-mode. We've created {{ Disambig editintro}} (seen above), which works just like MediaWiki:Talkpagetext, except that it disappears once you click "preview". Now we just need a show of support, to get it added into Mediawiki talk:Common.js, if you agree that it is a good idea.
You can test it out by adding importScript("User:RockMFR/disambigeditintro.js");
to
Special:Mypage/monobook.js, hard refresh, and visit a disambiguation page, e.g.
A Wonderful Life or
Aboncourt.
(The wording in the box is a separate question. Feel free to tweak or improve (or discuss). Just try to keep the wording minimal :)
So, any support or objections for the overall idea? Please and thank you :) -- Quiddity ( talk) 02:41, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
Why this particular page title? I think " Chi Chi" would serve best, especially because there appear to be more entries named as such. Thoughts? Lord Sesshomaru ( talk • edits) 03:13, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
I've found one instance (and I think there may be more) where an article page links to a dab page I'm working on, and the only instance of the dab page word I can find anywhere is in a couple of citations that have the word (which happens in that case to be an author's name) in authorlink=. What do I do in these cases? -- AnnaFrance (talk) 04:27, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
Here goes: User:Abtract is aware that the use of primary topic(s) is only necessary when the dab has "(disambiguation)" in the page title. Think we all know that right? Despite knowing this, he willingly places a primary topic on dabs which do not have "(disambiguation)" as part of the title. I've been having to "clean up" after him for a while, but can only find two instances, see his edit to LSM and Wow. I have tried asking the editor to change his view, but he refuses (as seen when he removed my concerns from his talk page after an attempt of modifying my comments [2]). Any ideas on how to solve this? Or should I let him has his way? Lord Sesshomaru ( talk • edits) 04:45, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
There is a proposed bot which would attempt cleanup on (eventually) all 100,000 disambiguation pages. See Wikipedia:Bots/Requests_for_approval#fuBot. -- Xyzzyplugh ( talk) 08:10, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
In case anyone is interested in commenting: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tada Station (disambiguation). Paul Erik (talk) (contribs) 04:42, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
Could someone take a look at this? The page does look like it could use a little revamping. Lord Sesshomaru ( talk • edits) 19:27, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
It has just come to my attention that the template {{ NA Broadcast List}}, which appears to be transcluded onto 66 pages, includes {{ disambig}} in the transcluded text. Therefore, none of these 66 disambiguation pages has {{ disambig}} in its own text, which means that bots and other tools that look for this in the text will not identify them as disambiguation pages. It seems to me that it is a potentially serious obstacle to efforts to identify and fix links to disambiguation pages if we cannot even identify which pages are disambiguations. Is there a technical fix for this? -- Russ (talk) 21:15, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
I don't think I've seen another pair of disambiguation pages like this, though they must exist. John Campbell has a few dozen names, about a quarter with red links. John Campbell (footballer) has eight entries, with only three blue links. Two of those are already repeated in the main disambiguation page; I'll go add the third. Is this the best set-up for subsidiary disambiguation pages? Should the footballer be merged and redirected, or kept as a harmless and convenient bit of duplication? ·:· Will Beback ·:· 06:25, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
Please see here for a suggested set of new dab pages, asnd comment as you think fit. -- AndrewHowse ( talk) 23:05, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
I think this page should be deleted, but I have no experience in that process. This term is not referenced in either of the articles linked on the page, and in fact one of the links is to a dab page. Maybe someone could come up with a decent redirect, but I couldn't figure one out. Any thoughts? SlackerMom ( talk) 15:22, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
Hmm... there's also an article-mentioned use (and a different form of the term) in the article Handspring (gymnastics). -- Natalya 21:11, 30 June 2008 (UTC)