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Hi. Please see this. 35 articles in < 1 hour, including two batches of 10 articles done in one minute (05:58, 06:12). How can any WP:BEFORE work have happened here? Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 07:56, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
This list has also been put forward at the VP as being problematic and needing to go through the deletion process. All BlackJack creations. Some of very obviously notable and there are issues with the selection here. The NCCC source is probably written by Peter Wynne-Thomas, or based on his work at least fwiw.
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Two are repeated, but that leaves 98. The last few are difficult as they're so early, but there are others, Lambert for example, who are clearly very notable indeed. Blue Square Thing ( talk) 12:36, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
I think all the PRODS seem to have been removed by Ficaia. Blue Square Thing ( talk) 18:34, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
Hi. Looking for some help with someone who has knowledge in this area when it comes to free images. User:Hamza Ali Shah has uploaded several images to Commons from screengrabs from Youtube, such as Iftikhar Ahmed's picture. I sent one for deletion at Commons, and they've replied saying " It is owned by the Afganistan Cricket Boards’s Youtube channel which I have stated. They have uploaded their video under a commons license". The images have this text in the license section - "This video, screenshot or audio excerpt was originally uploaded on YouTube under a CC license. Their website states: "YouTube allows users to mark their videos with a Creative Commons CC BY license."
I have no idea if these types of images are OK or not, so would appreciate input in this. Thanks. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 18:42, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
Morning. Thoughts on the notability of the 2019 Saurashtra Premier League and the 2022 Saurashtra Premier League? I'm struggling to see how these regional tournaments would pass WP:NSEASON and/or WP:GNG. Thanks. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me
In relation to the article on William O'Halloran (cricketer), which has recently been substantially expanded . . . as of 17 June 2022 [update] I have been unable to locate any information that identifies the dates, opponents, nature, etc. of the Sheffield Shield (and/or other Victorian representative team) match/matches that he is said to have played for Victoria during the 1963/1964 cricket season. Does anyone have any further details relating to his Victorian appearnce(s) in the 1963/1964 Cricket Season? Lindsay658 ( talk) 02:06, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
What is this monstrosity? Human ( talk) 13:36, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
Hi all. I don't know how often you check all the tabs under your preferences, but I've been using the following for a while now, which you may or may not find useful. Or maybe everyone knows about them already, and I'm late to the party! :D
Thanks. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 16:45, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
I'm looking at updating England cricket team#Records and List of England One Day International cricket records and notice there is a big discrepancy with List of One Day International cricket records for the criteria used for non-volume bowling records (so best average / strike rate / economy rate). Both the pages here and the refs used on cricinfo use a criteria of 2000 balls bowled for England records, but only 1000 for overall records (e.g. England average; Overall average).
I'm wary of even using balls bowled as a qualification criteria for average or strike rate, and think number of wickets should be the qualifier there, as that is the divisor being used: we'd never used balls faced as a qualifier for batting records (other than Strike Rate, which is the batting equivalent of Economy Rate).
Howstat uses a criteria of 50 wickets, which I think is a far better measure. I've argued similar points Talk:List of Cricket World Cup records#Discrepancy between Batting and Bowling average lists, but it was a bit of an echo chamber! Before I make an arbitrary choice of how many wickets to use, does anyone else have a view on this? Our pages should not just be a mirror of cricinfo (or any other single website), so does anyone else know of any other decent stats sites we could use as a guide? Spike 'em ( talk) 15:39, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
Nothing for average, do they just not list best averages, or they do have a list but don't state a qualifying standard? If the second what is the lowest number of overs / wickets to appear on their list? Spike 'em ( talk) 09:02, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
Hello all, I wonder if anyone with access would be able to let me know what this article says about the Scottish cricketer Arthur Sellers. I can normally tell from the preview, but it appears a bit muddled this time with script in place of letters/numbers. Cheers in advance. StickyWicket ( talk) 11:26, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
I'm wondering if anyone can help me find a few significant sources on Jackie Clark? It was PRODed today but if I'm not mistaken then significant coverage is likely to exist for a cricket figure of her stature per WP:NCRICKET so I de-PRODed it and thought I might give it a shot to find couple of sources to keep it from an AfD. Alvaldi ( talk) 19:55, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
Anyone else think the instigator of an edit war on Jonny Bairstow is a returning editor? Spike 'em ( talk) 21:59, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
I am wondering who will help update the cricket related articles. I probably don't have enough time like Lugnuts had or don't edit as fast as them. But I did as much as I can today and already got a headache. Human ( talk) 19:50, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
Apologies, long retired user returning to ask a question as still edits anonymously sometimes. What format of cricket are stats from the hundred being added to? T20? The hundred article isn’t clear and I can’t find the answer on the web. 2A02:C7F:2C68:D500:5545:9A67:6A23:F238 ( talk) 17:47, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
Hello to your group. I don't write on Cricket but have written a lot on Rugby Union and Rugby League. It's been a quandary of mine for some time as to whether to refer to rugby Test matches using the proper noun or otherwise. I imagine this is a flagship article on the topic History of Test cricket from 1877 to 1883 and I see that you've gone with "Test". Do you have an established protocol based on a WP ? - Sticks 66 03:57, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
Hi all,
Just letting you know that I consider most of the articles linked here to still fail GNG, Sportcrit #5 and, in many cases, violate WP:NOTDATABASE. As such I plan to start bringing the articles I prodded to AfD next month, and after that I will start working through the other articles I listed.
If you believe that any are suitable as a redirect, or if you can identify sources, please do so. In addition, if there are any particular examples that you believe are notable but you need more time to prove it, please list those examples and I will refrain from nominating them for the moment.
BilledMammal (
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Redirects just make sense to me - they link to the lists we have which works as a way of showing core information, and they stop articles getting created about the same person. It's too late to go into too much detail now, but they just work better.
Collapse - that approach won't work
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I've been thinking a bit about ways to perhaps prioritise. These are mostly British males I think, so I'll focus on that scenario:
That's a gut feeling and I've not had a chance to look back at that list - might be able to make a start over the next couple of days. Maybe. That might give us a better idea of the state of what we're looking for. And, fwiw, I was thinking about Bullock-Marsham as the GA candidate - I have scad loads on him but haven't had the time... |
Blue Square Thing ( talk) 22:34, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
Collapse - that approach won't work
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Clearly the approach I took above will take far too long. So... I worked through the Bs, Ls, Ms, Ns, Os, Vs and Z forenames - chosen because they weren't too long! I took the approach that:
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Octavius Eaden | CA, S&B - 4 FC CTC | |
Oliver Redgate (cricketer) | CA - 12 FC Notts | |
Owen Kember | Yes | prose at CI |
Owen Wait | CA - 45 FC CU, Surrey |
To add - just worked through the 127 Ws. Took about an hour - just under. 32 pass stage 1 - so a similar %age, with a few added for CI prose etc... I expect I'd pull out 12 that I'd want to take more of a look at. - which would leave about 80. Others might fancy some of those, but that's at least 60% to redirect. At that speed of working we might get through more than one batch a week. Blue Square Thing ( talk) 16:00, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
Does anyone live somewhere where they can get to Lords quite easily? I used to work with the MCC Librarian and could ask him about access to the library and early copies of Wisden if someone was able to draw up a list of questionable articles that could be researched? Spartaz Humbug! 18:44, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
I think I can probably be of help here because I have a full set of the Playfair Cricket Annual from 1948 to 1962 (a bargain buy on eBay many years ago). These are the original "handbook" types with galleries. I've also got the first "pocketbook" issue from 1963 with Gary Sobers on the cover. I'm afraid I've no more after that until the 21st century. I've also got the Wisden editions published in 1948, 1963 (#100) and 1964. If you have any players or events in your wishlists that coincide with the post-war period covered by those books, please give me the names and I'll see what I can find.
I can't help you with John West, I'm afraid, but I can help with Billy Neale and I've expanded his article somewhat. If anyone can access pre-war Wisdens, you should be able to get more on Neale from those by looking at each year's Gloucestershire reviews. As far as I can tell, he never played for anyone but Gloucestershire (in 452 matches). Neale featured in a club record partnership with Wally Hammond and, in 1948, his final season, lost his place in the team to some 21 year old lad called Tom Graveney.
I hope that is useful. Ping me or go to my talk page if you have an article I might be able to help you with. BoJó | talk UTC 13:10, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
Cricket: A Weekly Record of the Game - about a defunct cricket magazine - has just been updated. Its references 2 and 3 could be valuable sources of information. JH ( talk page) 08:34, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
Hi everyone. The umpires are usually listed in the scorecards alphabetically according to their surnames. This seems to be the case for most of the cricket articles and is in line with WP:SUR. However, certain certain Muslim names have no surnames and the same goes for South Indian names where the surnames are listed first. They are all listed as per the usual Western naming convention. But Mashfi23 has brought the exceptional fact and is trying to amend them without a consensus. Me and users such as Kirubar are trying to follow what was done in the previous cricket articles. This shouldn't have been an issues unless the constant disagreements and reversions we are encountering. I am just seeking for consensus here for convention in which umpires should be listed to avoid further edit warring or disagreements. Thanks Human ( talk) 17:45, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
I've been reading this document which is very interesting and potentially useful. I was surprised by the Indian entries, however, and I think Sri Lanka needs more consideration.
Proposals:
There can be no doubt at all that the Ranji and Duleep Trophies are two of the most prestigious domestic competitions and both receive substantial media coverage in India. It could be argued that the Ranji Trophy in particular is the third most notable domestic tournament in the world after the Sheffield Shield and, historically, the County Championship. The Irani Cup is included in the notables list but this is in fact an annual one-off match.
I agree that editions of Sri Lanka's Premier Trophy before 2015 should be viewed with caution but the SLC has made a real effort to improve standards since then, first by rebranding as the Premier League Tournament and, this year, as the Major League Tournament. It is difficult to obtain Sri Lankan media coverage in English-speaking countries but it does exist and it has certainly taken notice of the rebranded tournament, the purpose of which is to better prepare the players for Test cricket.
Domestic competitions in Pakistan have long been chaotic and seemingly lacking control although the new format of the Quaid-e-Azam Trophy looks promising. The same can't be said of the old Pentangular Trophy which was probably cancelled more often than it was actually held.
I agree that the two first-class tournaments in Bangladesh should be set aside for the present but we should keep an open mind. The Afghan and Irish tournaments are still getting on their feet and the Logan Cup is well below the standard. Thanks. BoJó | talk UTC 12:49, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
Hi all,
I've recently created redirects for all players who made their FC/LA/T20 debut in the English cricket season and were without articles. Some of these may well have enough coverage for articles, so I'm listing here if people want to create them/expand them or perhaps change the redirect to something more precise such as specific format pages for counties. Many won't have enough coverage for articles yet, but just listing now if any county specific editors want to create, or local people who have better access to local sources. Players without articles are:
Rugbyfan22 ( talk) 20:19, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
As if the GNG problems were not enough, three cricket articles have been summarily deleted by sysops for copyright violations, while another is at WP:CP with a recommendation to delete. Three of these articles were forks of English cricket team in Australia in 1962–63. One is 1962–63 Ashes series, which is at WP:CP. The other two were Australian cricket team in Australia in 1962–63 and MCC tour of Australia in 1962–63 which were deleted by Primefac because of unambiguous copyright infringements. Yesterday, Jimfbleak had to do the same with Dick Pilling.
The tour articles were all written by Philipjelley and concerns have been expressed about similar articles written by him, especially those on the 1970–71 tour of Australia by Ray Illingworth's team. One of the problems is the inappropriate use of blockquotes to introduce sections but the real issues are cut-and-paste sentences and very close paraphrasing. As it happens, the books used by Philipjelley are rare and we have not yet found a copy of one, but the violations are clear enough.
Dick Pilling was a straight verbatim copy of a Wisden 5CY article by jguk who said in the midst of some external links that the source was "out of copyright". Given that he got the content from the archive site and that Wisden is still an active publisher, that is doubtful. Even if it is true, he did not attribute the source in any conspicuous way and he plagiarised its entire content.
I have recreated Dick Pilling and will do some more work on it. He was an England Test player so there will be no SIGCOV problem. I see no reason at all to recreate the Philipjelley articles as English cricket team in Australia in 1962–63 will provide sufficient coverage of the tour.
We need to be on our guard when working on other articles by those two editors. If you see something that breaches COPYVIO, use Twinkle CSD and select G12. It will help the sysops if you provide some explanation of the issue on the article's talk page. BoJó | talk UTC 10:57, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
Articles for a dozen or so England Test cricketers were de facto deleted a few weeks ago, and there may well be others. Their problem is mainly a lack of citations, which can be readily rectified by members of this project: there is unlikely to be a problem with WP:N or WP:SIGCOV. My view is the way to tackle this is by bringing inadequacies to project members' attention here, not by wholesale destruction of work that goes back up to 20 years. I have undone the deletions I've found, but there may well be others. Johnlp ( talk) 16:56, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
Rugbyfan22. It looks as if the ones missing from the category are team captains from the second half of the 20th century: Gatting, Close, Dexter and Illingworth definitely. I'll get a full list. It's probably someone who took them out of players because they are in the captains category. BoJó | talk UTC 10:56, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
Over the years I have noticed that cricinfo (and also cricket archive) truncate values obtained by divisions (e.g batting & bowling average & strike rate) to 2 decimal places rather than rounding them. Almost all the stats on here are copied directly from one of the sites, so do we care? I know it is a minuscule difference, but I get vexxed by this!
As an example, if we use Joe Root's Test batting average : he has scored 10504 runs and been out 210 times. To 3 dp this is 50.019, which I would round to 50.02 if showing to 2 dp.
cricinfo shows 50.01.
We can calculate the figures ourselves, using something like {{
round|10504/210|2}}
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WP:CALC, but is this something anyone cares about? Does anyone have a Wisden to hand to see if they do rounding properly (or have cricketers always truncated their averages)?
Spike 'em (
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15:05, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
I have nominated Cricket World Cup for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Z1720 ( talk) 21:02, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
I found these five articles, and I think there's a few problems with them:
Firstly I'm not convinced they're really appropriate topics for stand-alone lists. There's already lists of Australian international cricketers, and lists of cricketers who played for each state team, so this is starting to feel like WP:LISTCRUFT.
Secondly the selection criteria seems pretty vague and inconsistent. For example, Joe Mennie is listed as being "from" South Australia even though he lived in New South Wales until he moved to SA to play for the Redbacks, so it would seem that it's based on which domestic team they played for first instead of which state they're "from". But then Michael Bevan, who first played domestic cricket for South Australia despite being from Canberra, is not listed as being "from" South Australia.
Thirdly, though this is a smaller issue, they're out of date. Some of them haven't been updated since the 2011 World Cup.
I was going to bring them to WP:AFD to see if they should be deleted but I wanted to see if people here had any input. OliveYouBean ( talk) 22:17, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
Alright, I've nominated them at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of international cricketers from Queensland. OliveYouBean ( talk) 04:33, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
I'm dealing with someone who is constantly vandalising the page of Temba Bavuma and has been told numerous times to stop Smashedbandit ( talk) 08:53, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
Just saw the link to WP:3RR, I did two reverts on 2022–23 ICC Men's T20 World Cup Europe Qualifier yesterday, and a third about a week ago. Don't wan't to risk a ban for that :) Moedk ( talk) 10:33, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
Can I get help dealing with an editor in the IP range 2402:d000:811c::/48? They've been making edits to a couple of cricketers' articles with incorrect information (e.g. calling Ambati Rayudu and Dawlat Zadran "former" cricketers even though they still play cricket domestically), as well as this edit on Vinodh Perera which looks like straight up vandalism. I can't keep reverting them and it's hard to engage with them on talk pages because their IP changes each time they edit (so they probably aren't seeing the messages I'm leaving on user talk pages). Could a more experienced editor help me out with what to do here? OliveYouBean ( talk) 01:58, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
While cleaning up some redirects I stumbled on an unusual situation at George alexander - Northcote's First International Sportsman ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). It was tagged for a merge to George Alexander (Australian cricketer) in 2012, but was then blanked and redirected there without merging any content, seemingly by accident judging from the edit summary. The article has serious issues, but is significantly longer and more detailed than the existing article, and most of it is referenced. If this were a new article, I would probably draftify and ask the creator to merge it, but the creator is long-inactive, so I've restored the article and its decade-old merge tag, and thought I'd post here in search of someone competent to merge the two. -- Tamzin cetacean needed (she|they|xe) 01:26, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
Category:English cricket seasons from 2001 and siblings are now empty, as part of a series of deletions following Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2022_October_20#Category:English_cricket_seasons_from_1598_to_1763. See e.g. [7]
This is also going to empty Category:Seasons in Welsh cricket, Category:Cricket in Wales by year, Category:Welsh cricket in the 21st century, etc. I suspect that this is an unintended side-effect that was overlooked. Should someone simply add the English century categories into the Welsh parent categories? – Fayenatic London 18:59, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
Hi everyone,
Since there is a template and articles on Countries at the CWC, I was wondering how do people feel about a similar template for Countries at the T20 WC and one for Champions Trophy? I think it'll be really interesting and will help compile information regarding the performances of different teams at these major competitions in a better way. What does everyone else think? I'd be willing to help as much as possible. A Fantasy ( talk) 08:45, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
Hi, I've been working on the Shane Warne article since his death in order to get it up to Good Article status. It failed a GA assessment recently. I've fixed everything except a request to summarise his domestic career with Hampshire County Cricket Club and Victoria. Could anybody help out and add some information? Or point me towards an online summary I could use? Regards, Desertarun ( talk) 08:35, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
Surely 2022 ICC Men's T20 World Cup warm-up matches and 2021 ICC Men's T20 World Cup warm-up matches aren't notable enough for separate articles? They're warm-up matches that aren't proper T20I matches, as teams can field as many different players as they want. I don't see why they warrant separate articles? Joseph 2302 ( talk) 14:12, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
The 2022 NSPORTS RfC added a requirement that all sports articles are required to have a source that contains significant coverage of the topic. To help identify sports articles that lack this I've created Template:No significant coverage (sports); please add it to any such articles that you encounter, and if you are looking for an article to improve the relevant categories may be useful. BilledMammal ( talk) 13:00, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
Hello editors! What about adding a parameter for match crowd Attendance just like Template:Football box? Though attendance in a cricket match are not recorded in every match. But having such parameters won't do any harm to the template, I guess. See 2022 ICC Men's T20 World Cup. For every matches attendance was recorded. But due to unavailability of attendance parameters, it was added with the Venue parameter. If such parameter is made available then the editors can add the attendance, if it is recorded, if not, then the parameter should be left vacant. A Cricket Premi ( talk) 05:08, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
If the attendance is recorded, only then it would be mentioned, else the parameter would be left empty.In an ideal world, people would only populate it if they also add a source for it. But in reality, people will just add numbers without sources, and no way of verifying the numbers. Cricket isn't the same as some other sports that publish attendences for every game, like association football. For any decent standard football league, most match reports will include attendance figures, which means they are sourced. That isn't the case for cricket matches- ESPN Cricinfo, which we use for most match reports, doesn't usually jave the figures for attendances, so we'd need people to add a different source for it. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 11:31, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
Hi all, I'm writing an article on Islay McOwan, who, amongst many other things, represented Fiji in its inaugural first-class match, during Fiji's 1894/95 tour of New Zealand. I've got McOwan's career 1st class stats but if anyone with Cricket Archive access can tell me who the debut fc match was against (and where and when) and who he made his highest score and best bowling figures against, and any other interesting info (he obviously wicket kept as well), I would greatly appreciate it. Roisterer ( talk) 00:08, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
Hi, a week ago the Ramon Simmonds page existed as a redirect, I checked on ESPN and he's played 4 first class matches, so I took off the redirect and put a couple of lines on the page and referenced it to ESPN. First off an admin came along and put the redirect back. So I undid and pointed him at WP:NCRICKET with the comment that he's played first class cricket so passes notability. Now someone has draftified the page and left the message that databases like ESPN are no good for verifying notability. So has something changed that I don't know about? Desertarun ( talk) 11:37, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources.Some cricinfo pages do have a player profile that would count as SIGCOV, but most are just database entries. Spike 'em ( talk) 12:57, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
Could anyone give me a list of updated criteria for a cricketer to have its own article (although I am quite familiarized with the general basic criteria such as general notability)? -- WellThisIs TheReaper Grim 04:26, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
There's a discussion about whether to include future IPL teams in cricketers' infoboxes happening here. I'm letting people here know since this pertains to a lot of cricket players. OliveYouBean ( talk) 12:22, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
Is there any consensus to add these to infoboxes, for either national teams or individual players? They look like they overwhelm what are already lengthy infoboxes for me, so I feel inclined to remove them. If they do exist, then they should only include the very top level tournaments and not things like the age group, Asia Cup or tinpot 3-way series, as I've seen added. Spike 'em ( talk) 17:07, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
It would be useful to know if a player has won a world cup or asia cup. More so than when they first or last played a test in my opinion. The issue is that the title is "Medal record" which is patently the wrong thing to name it. I'd suggest that be changed to "Tournament record". Desertarun ( talk) 12:03, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
Hello all. I've recently expanded this article. If anyone has some additional material which could expand it further, that would be awesome! StickyWicket ( talk) 22:06, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
I've been looking at some of the player lists for first-class teams in Pakistan today, and I think it might be better to merge the lists for the older teams into a single list ( List of Pakistani men's cricketers (1953/54 to 2018/19), probably split up into multiple pages alphabetically). A few reasons:
It would be a lot of work to make this list, but I'm happy to do that if other people think this is a good idea. OliveYouBean ( talk) 21:54, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
Player | Span | FC | LA | T20 | Teams | Ref |
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Aamer Bashir | 1989/90–2008/09 | 201 | 140 | 9 |
Multan (1989/90–1992/93) United Bank Limited (1991/92–1996/97) Peshawar (1995/96) Bahawalpur (1997/98–1998/99) Pakistan Customs (1997/98–2003/04) Multan (2003/04–2005/06) Pakistan Telecommunication Company Limited (2004/05–2005/06) Zarai Taraqiati Bank Limited (2006/07–2008/09) |
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Aamer Bashir | 1989/90–2008/09 | Played over 350 senior matches |
References
I got started on this at User:OliveYouBean/List of Pakistani men's cricketers (1953/54 to 2018/19) with the first 50 players alphabetically. Based on the number of players (I'm estimating it's about 4,000) it would probably take a few months for me to finish this list. I'm happy to do all that work but before I fully commit I'll leave this here for a few days to see if people object to the idea. If people think it's better to keep the separate lists for each team I'll just work on those instead (which will be about the same amount of work regardless). OliveYouBean ( talk) 06:12, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
Hi all. I have recently expanded the following articles, any reviews/reassessment/improvements welcomed :)
Cheers, StickyWicket ( talk) 14:19, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
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Progress is recorded at the monthly stats page. Through 2022, with 4,526 very old (from the 2004–2009 period) and old (2010–2015) FAs initially needing review:
Of the FAs kept, deemed satisfactory by three reviewers, or delisted, about 60% had prior review between 2004 and 2007; another 20% dated to the period from 2008–2009; and another 20% to 2010–2015. Roughly two-thirds of the old FAs reviewed have retained FA status or been marked "satisfactory", while two-thirds of the very old FAs have been defeatured.
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Hi all. I've nominated John Manners for FA status here. I have been meaning to nominate his article for a while now! Any comments or feedback appreciated :) StickyWicket ( talk) 12:55, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
I think we need to revisit the nonsense that is England cricket team, England women's cricket team, Ireland cricket team and Ireland women's cricket team. It seems ludicrous to me that these four teams should participate in international cricket, and yet we don't give them the distinction of being referred to as "national teams". To all intents and purposes, the England cricket team is the national team of England and happens to include Wales as well, just as the Ireland team represents the nation of Ireland as well as the six counties north of the border. Would it be pointless of me to open a new RM? It's been three years since it was last discussed at Talk:England cricket team. – Pee Jay 03:15, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
{{ ICC Under-19 Cricket World Cup}} has information on both the men's and women's Under-19 Cricket World Cup. WOuld it not be better to separate these i.e. have one template for the men's competition and one for the women's? They're clearly run as separate competitions (unlike e.g. The Hundred (cricket) where they run men's and women's tournaments together). Joseph 2302 ( talk) 12:10, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
Been a massive expansion of the ICC Women's Under-19 Cricket World Cup page over the last couple of days, mostly with what seems to me to be unsourced statistics and tables, some of which is very WP:CRYSTAL (such as assuming the teams at the 2025 + 2027 tournaments). Obviously this kind of thing is a staple of tournament pages, but just seems massively premature, seeing as the first edition of the tournament isn't even over yet. Didn't want to just revert it though as a lot of effort has gone into it and, as I say, this kind of thing is standard. So any opinions on how to go forward on this appreciated! Mpk662 ( talk) 14:50, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
The details of the tournament will be published soon by the ICC. MD Hydrogen 123 ( talk) 16:44, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
I've been trying to find out this cricketers full name. I mean, it must exist, he played a decent amount of matches and put in some solid performances. The page was edited in 2020 by a user (now inactive) who added things — albeit unreferenced — which allude to his personal life. The detail is such I can't help but think, if it's not all made up, that it must have contained a full name. I wonder if anyone might have better luck than me? I checked the usual places for an ID. StickyWicket ( talk) 17:54, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
Is it a good source for match summaries, or should we prefer sources such as cricinfo? Roger (Dodger67) ( talk) 07:20, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
There's an ongoing article split discussion at Talk:Australian cricket team in India in 2022–23#Article should be split? about whether the series is actually 1 or 2 separate series. Please feel free to contribute your thoughts there. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 09:05, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
✨Ashish Legend✨
13:57, 13 February 2023 (UTC)I hope this correspondence finds you in good health and high spirits. I am writing to respectfully propose an amendment to the statement on the Wikipedia article of Sir Don Bradman, which currently reads "widely acknowledged as the greatest batsman of all time".
As an avid admirer of cricket, I believe that it would be advantageous to specify that Sir Bradman is widely acknowledged as the greatest batsman of all time in the format of Test Cricket. His achievements and statistics in this format of the game are truly exceptional and have earned him a well-deserved reputation as one of the most remarkable cricketers in the history of the sport.
However, it is crucial to note that Sir Bradman did not have the opportunity to showcase his skills in contemporary formats of the game such as One Day Internationals and T20s, which entail a different set of abilities and challenges.
To ensure a clear and accurate representation of Sir Bradman's legacy and to avoid any confusion, I propose that the statement be revised to read "widely acknowledged as the greatest batsman of all time in Test Cricket (or first class cricket)". This alteration will accurately reflect the magnitude and nature of Sir Bradman's achievements, and provide a comprehensive and unambiguous understanding of his impact on cricket for fans and enthusiasts of the sport. I would be grateful for your favorable consideration of this proposal and I am available to provide any further details or clarification that may be required.
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✨Ashish Legend✨
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✨Ashish Legend✨
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✨Ashish Legend✨
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Hi all, hope you don't mind me posting this here! The above article is at FAC, but has only had one review (which was a 'support') and is about to be archived. Any comments or suggestions at his FAC here would be much appreciated, as if successful it will be the first cricket FA for a long while! StickyWicket ( talk) 15:55, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
Hi all. There's one more existing cricket venue in Kent which has held FC matches which requires a photo. If anyone has any photos of Hesketh Park (Dartford) hanging about, or lives close by, a photo of its playing area and pavilion would be awesome. StickyWicket ( talk) 22:17, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
Hi all. Just noticed our photo coverage of cricket grounds in Staffordshire is somewhat lacking (with none of the grounds which have hosted List A matches having photos, and only one FC ground having a photo). The list of grounds is here. Thanks in advance if any Midlands-based people can snap a few pictures! StickyWicket ( talk) 11:06, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
For a great cricketer, the article on Jack Gregory is disappointingly brief. JH ( talk page) 09:43, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
[[Category:2027 in cricket]]? User:Shirt58 ( talk) 🦘 User:Shirt58 ( talk) 🦘 10:33, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
In the infobox on Mogens Christiansen, "3;/&7;" and "&20;/–" look like errors, but I'm not sure what it's supposed to look like there. -- Beland ( talk) 07:01, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
im not an expert in cricket, but did some updates on few asian tournaments, please check if all formats/technical things are correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.2.200.205 ( talk) 04:32, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
You may be interested in this village pump discussion on draftifiying nearly a thousand Olympians. BeanieFan11 ( talk) 14:44, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
I've started a discussion that could use this project's input at the idea lab village pump. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 23:47, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
I have had 4 edits reverted (well, 2 different edits, but one of them got reverted 3 times) and am wondering if they were justified. The article Australian cricket team in India in 2022–23 has, under the 4th Test, the note "Cameron Green (Aus) scored his maiden century in Tests." I noticed Green's score was not in the match summary, so I added it for context. Despite me trying to add it, it has been removed 3 times: [11] [12] [13]. Similarly at Sri Lankan cricket team in New Zealand in 2022–23 I tried to add Nicholls' score to the note "Henry Nicholls (NZ) scored his first double century in Tests" and it got reverted [14]. I can't see the logic against including relevant information. Where there is a note saying Green/Nicholls reached a milestone, surely most readers would want to know what they scored? Is there some policy I am unaware of? Adpete ( talk) 03:07, 24 March 2023 (UTC), revised Adpete ( talk) 02:02, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi all. I've just expanded George Wilder (cricketer) (2-years after I said I would :D) and happened across an entry by Walford in The County Families of the United Kingdom for Wilder, in which it states he was educated at Eton and St John's College, Oxford. However, I can't seem to find anything to back this up. I wonder if anyone has access to the Eton College Register 1889-1899? I hope that might shed some light on this claim, as the 1883 to 1889 and 1893 to 1899 registers don't mention him, so I am hoping his entry will be in that four year gap. Cheers, StickyWicket ( talk) 10:10, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
Is there any difference between cricket leagues and cricket competitions? So far as I can tell, there isn't, yet we have separate categories Category:Cricket leagues and Category:Cricket competitions and an absolute bunch of similar sub categories such as Category:Cricket leagues in Afghanistan and Category:Afghan domestic cricket competitions (which seem to be for the same things). Joseph 2302 ( talk) 11:32, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
I'm currently writing match descriptions for Brisbane Heat's 2022–23 season, and in the match starting time, some matches use AEST and some use AEDT. Can I just write 14:30 (AEST)/16:40 (AEDT) or should one take precedence over the other? Nautilusblue8 ( talk) 03:31, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
Found this - Patrick Tice. I've pruned it, but they feel non-notable. They've only played for Cambridge University, and an Irish club. Only non-statistic reference is a passing reference in an article on his sister. Secretlondon ( talk) 13:47, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
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Please offer input in Talk:2013_Yorkshire_Bank_40#Requested_move_27_March_2023. Thank you! – CityUrbanism 🗩 🖉 18:44, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
Just tidying up and expanding James Schofield (cricketer, born 1978) and I noticed he took a wicket with his first ball in first-class and List A cricket. Have any other players achieved his unique double? StickyWicket ( talk) 15:30, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
Hi. I am seeking attention of all editors of cricket project. Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2023 Cricket World Cup final. The article creator claims it as notable saying that it is a match of the world's best event (CWC). But I think there should not be a separate article unless in-depth details are confirmed, or the date of match comes closer (and finalists are confirmed). RoboCric ( talk) 16:31, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
Did my part to expand them, but still a lot of references are available. This article is quite in-depth. If any Pakistani editor is reading this, I'd say please help. Thank you. 103.244.179.234 ( talk) 01:32, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
I've noticed that for international teams, there are templates for men's and women's teams that have vastly different amounts of content. The men's team templates e.g. {{tl|England cricket team}} has far less information than the women's team templates e.g. {{ England women's cricket team}}, {{ Sri Lanka women's national cricket team}} have links for every series home and away that has an article. I believe these should be standardised, and my preference would be less information is more useful, so the men's templates are better, as I believe the women's templates are far too long to be useful. Thoughts? Joseph 2302 ( talk) 11:04, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Major League Cricket (defunct)#Requested move 23 April 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 20:33, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
This article was put up for proposed deletion by a user of 17 years' standing. Odd. If anyone could help out with it, please do. Bobo . 19:25, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
It's that time of year again, leather on willow is in full swing... or spin! We still have many more FC/LA/T20 venues which don't have photos, a list of which can be found here. There are subsections for England, Scotland, Wales, and Ireland (including Northern Ireland). Any photos greatly appreciated (particularly for Essex, Nottinghamshire and Staffordshire, which seem to be the most poorly covered English counties). StickyWicket ( talk) 13:34, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
I've updated the List of Denmark List A cricketers, with their matches in 2019–2022 ICC Cricket World Cup Challenge League, when I total the matches I get 495/11 = 45, but under captains there is only listed 44, a discrepancy that also was there before the update, there is a link to a list of List A matches played by Denmark on CricketArchive, but I don't acces to CA, so can't use that. Moedk ( talk) 03:48, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
This article was sent to PROD for having no sources - in fact, it did have sources, but they were hidden by an overly keen user three years ago and I hadn't noticed. Is there some way we can get the article to a decent state please?
I note that the sources were removed by a user who was permabanned for three years for continued disruptive behaviour. Bobo . 05:14, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
Given that Barney Cutbill has now been redirected, I see very little difference in principle between this (Barney Cutbill pre-redirect), and the article on (for example) John Hitchmough (cricketer, born 1958). How much less can be written in 4,000 bytes of text that is any different and would escape notice? Or Michael Bissex, whose article is pretty threadbare for a cricketer with 212 first-class appearances and only links to CA and CI, who appears to have very little information indepdendent of stats sites and mirrors to be verifiable to the everyday user. I challenge anyone to redirect an article on a cricketer with 212 first-class appearances.
Note that this applies to almost every article on every English domestic cricketer whose article(s) have been redirected - and probably dozens which haven't. Bobo . 22:16, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
By my reckoning, there are at least 74 articles in Category:Bedfordshire cricketers alone which are barely anything other than advanced statdumps. Bobo . 11:21, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
I've just created this page. I need some extra refs though, can someone have a look? Is there a page about the club on cricket archive? Desertarun ( talk) 10:02, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
I have nominated Early life of Keith Miller for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) 13:46, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
Keith Miller has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 ( talk) 16:21, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
Lots of franchise cricket articles are using both
Module:CricketLeagueGroupStageSummary and
Module:CricketLeagueProgression to show teams' results and progressions e.g.
2023 Indian Premier League#Match summary. The colours in these 2 modules are different i.e. one module uses purple for a home win, whereas the other uses purple for a no result. Can we standardise the colours of these 2 templates, or even better, do we actually need the colours at all, since they violate
MOS:COLOR, which says that Ensure that color is not the only method used to communicate important information.
Joseph
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I hope I speak for the arch-inclusionists who have come and gone and who may still be reading this - that amongst us will (have) see(n) one simple means for the project - to have an infinitely navigable list of cricketers for every first-class team and the means to go back and forward to each team. I don't feel this creates a "walled garden". Just an easily accessible list of players and their accomplishments. If this creates an article such as List of Gwalior cricketers with just eleven names, so be it. If the difference between an article being "acceptable" or not becomes a pretty little infobox, so be it. If the difference between an article being "acceptable" or not is the word "References" rather than "External links", that's pretty easily fixable. Some see this as a problem, some do not. And that's where we have landed. What's the point of contributing?
It's worth noting that within the last 30 days, there have only been only five articles created which link to Category:English cricketers. Every single one of those five has been created by AA. This pretty much shows a level of apathy towards the project which is only now rearing its head. Bobo . 12:51, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
The identity of my longstanding mystery Europeans cricketer who seemed to be a handy bowler might be about to be solved. My BNA access is being resolved at the moment, but the suspense is killing me! Would someone with access be kind enough to see if the John Sidney Vesey Brown mentioned in this 1976 obituary was ever in India, or to have played cricket? His obituary is here. Thanks in advance. AssociateAffiliate ( talk contribs) 21:43, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
A correction was printed the following day to state that it was his father (Charles Sidney), Lincoln's first electrical engineer, who installed the cathedral lights. wjemather please leave a message... 21:56, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
I notice that the Interpro T20 match between Leinster and Northern Knights at Cork is currently delayed by bees. Anyone ever seen a stoppage as weird as this? StickyWicket ( talk) 16:08, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
I want the following Wiki pages to be reassessed- Jasprit Bumrah Bhuvneshwar Kumar Mohammed Shami জয় হিন্দ জয় বাংলা ( talk) 06:13, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
Category:English cricket captains has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. — Oculi ( talk) 09:08, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
Can we have some eyes on the 586 Irish cricketers that should appear in that category? Someone has taken it upon themselves to remove that category from hundreds of articles. This is not how we as a project categorise cricketers - they have always gone: Nationality → International format played → Domestic team played for. Over 400 cricketers have been removed from the category without prior consensus from here and it will take me an absolute age to revert ): StickyWicket ( talk) 22:58, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
cricket categories work completely different to categories about lawyers or clowns, then please link to the WP:RFC where that was agreed. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 13:44, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
Category:Irish cricketers and Category:Cricketers from County Kerry are very different]]. Those from Kerry are a subset of Irish.
:::::: You will also have Irish cricketers who aren't from Irish counties but get their cricketing nationality from ancestry - just as you have English cricketers (and England crickters who come from South Africa or the West Indies). Things are not as simple as they appear, and this sort of diffusing doesn't seem appropriate.
Nigel Ish (
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11:40, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::::: Indeed we have
List of cricketers who have played for two international teams - and also lots of odd things about passports and nationality that happen so that people can do things like play in the County Championship as a non-overseas player. Other sports have all sorts of things like this - just look at Rugby (both codes) or athletics where nationality and sporting nationality are movable feasts.
Nigel Ish (
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13:23, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
nationality and sporting nationality are movable feasts
"concise and do exactly what they say on the tin"is evidently not the case – I explained why above. Surely, best practice is to hold a discussion to formulate a proposal prior to an RFC, and even establish if one is actually necessary. Going straight to an RFC is often not advisable at all. wjemather please leave a message... 15:14, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
would be worthless. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 16:25, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
Hi all. I've expanded this Hampshire player and international umpire, but can't find an obituary anywhere. It seems a little odd that a man who was umpiring Test and World Cup matches in the decade prior to his death should simply disappear into obscurity by 1986. Would anyone be kind enough to see if they have more luck? Cheers, StickyWicket aka AA ( talk) 09:52, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
Coming back to a topic from 18 months ago. At that time the discussion went in the direction of Medal Records are OR and so should not be added, but still quite a lot of articles have them attached to the infoboxes (see Steve Smith (cricketer)). Is there a consensus to delete this from the articles?-- Maphry ( talk) 22:17, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
Letting editors here know that there's going to be soon a proposal to mass remove over 1,000 cricket players, and if that succeeds, several more will be made that will be even larger-see User:BilledMammal/Mass Creation Draftification. BeanieFan11 ( talk) 14:32, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
So, an AWB-assisted analysis of the list above shows that only six of the articles in this batch relate to international cricketers:
I can't easily catch articles for those with so many appearances in domestic cricket, and reading through the guidelines set out for this draftification, getting any of these articles back will be pretty easy if they meet the criteria. Harrias (he/him) • talk 20:39, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
Project participants may be interested in joining the discussion at Talk:Twenty20 International#Requested move 5 July 2023. St Anselm ( talk) 22:16, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
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Hi. Please see this. 35 articles in < 1 hour, including two batches of 10 articles done in one minute (05:58, 06:12). How can any WP:BEFORE work have happened here? Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 07:56, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
This list has also been put forward at the VP as being problematic and needing to go through the deletion process. All BlackJack creations. Some of very obviously notable and there are issues with the selection here. The NCCC source is probably written by Peter Wynne-Thomas, or based on his work at least fwiw.
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Two are repeated, but that leaves 98. The last few are difficult as they're so early, but there are others, Lambert for example, who are clearly very notable indeed. Blue Square Thing ( talk) 12:36, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
I think all the PRODS seem to have been removed by Ficaia. Blue Square Thing ( talk) 18:34, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
Hi. Looking for some help with someone who has knowledge in this area when it comes to free images. User:Hamza Ali Shah has uploaded several images to Commons from screengrabs from Youtube, such as Iftikhar Ahmed's picture. I sent one for deletion at Commons, and they've replied saying " It is owned by the Afganistan Cricket Boards’s Youtube channel which I have stated. They have uploaded their video under a commons license". The images have this text in the license section - "This video, screenshot or audio excerpt was originally uploaded on YouTube under a CC license. Their website states: "YouTube allows users to mark their videos with a Creative Commons CC BY license."
I have no idea if these types of images are OK or not, so would appreciate input in this. Thanks. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 18:42, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
Morning. Thoughts on the notability of the 2019 Saurashtra Premier League and the 2022 Saurashtra Premier League? I'm struggling to see how these regional tournaments would pass WP:NSEASON and/or WP:GNG. Thanks. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me
In relation to the article on William O'Halloran (cricketer), which has recently been substantially expanded . . . as of 17 June 2022 [update] I have been unable to locate any information that identifies the dates, opponents, nature, etc. of the Sheffield Shield (and/or other Victorian representative team) match/matches that he is said to have played for Victoria during the 1963/1964 cricket season. Does anyone have any further details relating to his Victorian appearnce(s) in the 1963/1964 Cricket Season? Lindsay658 ( talk) 02:06, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
What is this monstrosity? Human ( talk) 13:36, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
Hi all. I don't know how often you check all the tabs under your preferences, but I've been using the following for a while now, which you may or may not find useful. Or maybe everyone knows about them already, and I'm late to the party! :D
Thanks. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 16:45, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
I'm looking at updating England cricket team#Records and List of England One Day International cricket records and notice there is a big discrepancy with List of One Day International cricket records for the criteria used for non-volume bowling records (so best average / strike rate / economy rate). Both the pages here and the refs used on cricinfo use a criteria of 2000 balls bowled for England records, but only 1000 for overall records (e.g. England average; Overall average).
I'm wary of even using balls bowled as a qualification criteria for average or strike rate, and think number of wickets should be the qualifier there, as that is the divisor being used: we'd never used balls faced as a qualifier for batting records (other than Strike Rate, which is the batting equivalent of Economy Rate).
Howstat uses a criteria of 50 wickets, which I think is a far better measure. I've argued similar points Talk:List of Cricket World Cup records#Discrepancy between Batting and Bowling average lists, but it was a bit of an echo chamber! Before I make an arbitrary choice of how many wickets to use, does anyone else have a view on this? Our pages should not just be a mirror of cricinfo (or any other single website), so does anyone else know of any other decent stats sites we could use as a guide? Spike 'em ( talk) 15:39, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
Nothing for average, do they just not list best averages, or they do have a list but don't state a qualifying standard? If the second what is the lowest number of overs / wickets to appear on their list? Spike 'em ( talk) 09:02, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
Hello all, I wonder if anyone with access would be able to let me know what this article says about the Scottish cricketer Arthur Sellers. I can normally tell from the preview, but it appears a bit muddled this time with script in place of letters/numbers. Cheers in advance. StickyWicket ( talk) 11:26, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
I'm wondering if anyone can help me find a few significant sources on Jackie Clark? It was PRODed today but if I'm not mistaken then significant coverage is likely to exist for a cricket figure of her stature per WP:NCRICKET so I de-PRODed it and thought I might give it a shot to find couple of sources to keep it from an AfD. Alvaldi ( talk) 19:55, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
Anyone else think the instigator of an edit war on Jonny Bairstow is a returning editor? Spike 'em ( talk) 21:59, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
I am wondering who will help update the cricket related articles. I probably don't have enough time like Lugnuts had or don't edit as fast as them. But I did as much as I can today and already got a headache. Human ( talk) 19:50, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
Apologies, long retired user returning to ask a question as still edits anonymously sometimes. What format of cricket are stats from the hundred being added to? T20? The hundred article isn’t clear and I can’t find the answer on the web. 2A02:C7F:2C68:D500:5545:9A67:6A23:F238 ( talk) 17:47, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
Hello to your group. I don't write on Cricket but have written a lot on Rugby Union and Rugby League. It's been a quandary of mine for some time as to whether to refer to rugby Test matches using the proper noun or otherwise. I imagine this is a flagship article on the topic History of Test cricket from 1877 to 1883 and I see that you've gone with "Test". Do you have an established protocol based on a WP ? - Sticks 66 03:57, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
Hi all,
Just letting you know that I consider most of the articles linked here to still fail GNG, Sportcrit #5 and, in many cases, violate WP:NOTDATABASE. As such I plan to start bringing the articles I prodded to AfD next month, and after that I will start working through the other articles I listed.
If you believe that any are suitable as a redirect, or if you can identify sources, please do so. In addition, if there are any particular examples that you believe are notable but you need more time to prove it, please list those examples and I will refrain from nominating them for the moment.
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Redirects just make sense to me - they link to the lists we have which works as a way of showing core information, and they stop articles getting created about the same person. It's too late to go into too much detail now, but they just work better.
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I've been thinking a bit about ways to perhaps prioritise. These are mostly British males I think, so I'll focus on that scenario:
That's a gut feeling and I've not had a chance to look back at that list - might be able to make a start over the next couple of days. Maybe. That might give us a better idea of the state of what we're looking for. And, fwiw, I was thinking about Bullock-Marsham as the GA candidate - I have scad loads on him but haven't had the time... |
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Clearly the approach I took above will take far too long. So... I worked through the Bs, Ls, Ms, Ns, Os, Vs and Z forenames - chosen because they weren't too long! I took the approach that:
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Octavius Eaden | CA, S&B - 4 FC CTC | |
Oliver Redgate (cricketer) | CA - 12 FC Notts | |
Owen Kember | Yes | prose at CI |
Owen Wait | CA - 45 FC CU, Surrey |
To add - just worked through the 127 Ws. Took about an hour - just under. 32 pass stage 1 - so a similar %age, with a few added for CI prose etc... I expect I'd pull out 12 that I'd want to take more of a look at. - which would leave about 80. Others might fancy some of those, but that's at least 60% to redirect. At that speed of working we might get through more than one batch a week. Blue Square Thing ( talk) 16:00, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
Does anyone live somewhere where they can get to Lords quite easily? I used to work with the MCC Librarian and could ask him about access to the library and early copies of Wisden if someone was able to draw up a list of questionable articles that could be researched? Spartaz Humbug! 18:44, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
I think I can probably be of help here because I have a full set of the Playfair Cricket Annual from 1948 to 1962 (a bargain buy on eBay many years ago). These are the original "handbook" types with galleries. I've also got the first "pocketbook" issue from 1963 with Gary Sobers on the cover. I'm afraid I've no more after that until the 21st century. I've also got the Wisden editions published in 1948, 1963 (#100) and 1964. If you have any players or events in your wishlists that coincide with the post-war period covered by those books, please give me the names and I'll see what I can find.
I can't help you with John West, I'm afraid, but I can help with Billy Neale and I've expanded his article somewhat. If anyone can access pre-war Wisdens, you should be able to get more on Neale from those by looking at each year's Gloucestershire reviews. As far as I can tell, he never played for anyone but Gloucestershire (in 452 matches). Neale featured in a club record partnership with Wally Hammond and, in 1948, his final season, lost his place in the team to some 21 year old lad called Tom Graveney.
I hope that is useful. Ping me or go to my talk page if you have an article I might be able to help you with. BoJó | talk UTC 13:10, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
Cricket: A Weekly Record of the Game - about a defunct cricket magazine - has just been updated. Its references 2 and 3 could be valuable sources of information. JH ( talk page) 08:34, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
Hi everyone. The umpires are usually listed in the scorecards alphabetically according to their surnames. This seems to be the case for most of the cricket articles and is in line with WP:SUR. However, certain certain Muslim names have no surnames and the same goes for South Indian names where the surnames are listed first. They are all listed as per the usual Western naming convention. But Mashfi23 has brought the exceptional fact and is trying to amend them without a consensus. Me and users such as Kirubar are trying to follow what was done in the previous cricket articles. This shouldn't have been an issues unless the constant disagreements and reversions we are encountering. I am just seeking for consensus here for convention in which umpires should be listed to avoid further edit warring or disagreements. Thanks Human ( talk) 17:45, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
I've been reading this document which is very interesting and potentially useful. I was surprised by the Indian entries, however, and I think Sri Lanka needs more consideration.
Proposals:
There can be no doubt at all that the Ranji and Duleep Trophies are two of the most prestigious domestic competitions and both receive substantial media coverage in India. It could be argued that the Ranji Trophy in particular is the third most notable domestic tournament in the world after the Sheffield Shield and, historically, the County Championship. The Irani Cup is included in the notables list but this is in fact an annual one-off match.
I agree that editions of Sri Lanka's Premier Trophy before 2015 should be viewed with caution but the SLC has made a real effort to improve standards since then, first by rebranding as the Premier League Tournament and, this year, as the Major League Tournament. It is difficult to obtain Sri Lankan media coverage in English-speaking countries but it does exist and it has certainly taken notice of the rebranded tournament, the purpose of which is to better prepare the players for Test cricket.
Domestic competitions in Pakistan have long been chaotic and seemingly lacking control although the new format of the Quaid-e-Azam Trophy looks promising. The same can't be said of the old Pentangular Trophy which was probably cancelled more often than it was actually held.
I agree that the two first-class tournaments in Bangladesh should be set aside for the present but we should keep an open mind. The Afghan and Irish tournaments are still getting on their feet and the Logan Cup is well below the standard. Thanks. BoJó | talk UTC 12:49, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
Hi all,
I've recently created redirects for all players who made their FC/LA/T20 debut in the English cricket season and were without articles. Some of these may well have enough coverage for articles, so I'm listing here if people want to create them/expand them or perhaps change the redirect to something more precise such as specific format pages for counties. Many won't have enough coverage for articles yet, but just listing now if any county specific editors want to create, or local people who have better access to local sources. Players without articles are:
Rugbyfan22 ( talk) 20:19, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
As if the GNG problems were not enough, three cricket articles have been summarily deleted by sysops for copyright violations, while another is at WP:CP with a recommendation to delete. Three of these articles were forks of English cricket team in Australia in 1962–63. One is 1962–63 Ashes series, which is at WP:CP. The other two were Australian cricket team in Australia in 1962–63 and MCC tour of Australia in 1962–63 which were deleted by Primefac because of unambiguous copyright infringements. Yesterday, Jimfbleak had to do the same with Dick Pilling.
The tour articles were all written by Philipjelley and concerns have been expressed about similar articles written by him, especially those on the 1970–71 tour of Australia by Ray Illingworth's team. One of the problems is the inappropriate use of blockquotes to introduce sections but the real issues are cut-and-paste sentences and very close paraphrasing. As it happens, the books used by Philipjelley are rare and we have not yet found a copy of one, but the violations are clear enough.
Dick Pilling was a straight verbatim copy of a Wisden 5CY article by jguk who said in the midst of some external links that the source was "out of copyright". Given that he got the content from the archive site and that Wisden is still an active publisher, that is doubtful. Even if it is true, he did not attribute the source in any conspicuous way and he plagiarised its entire content.
I have recreated Dick Pilling and will do some more work on it. He was an England Test player so there will be no SIGCOV problem. I see no reason at all to recreate the Philipjelley articles as English cricket team in Australia in 1962–63 will provide sufficient coverage of the tour.
We need to be on our guard when working on other articles by those two editors. If you see something that breaches COPYVIO, use Twinkle CSD and select G12. It will help the sysops if you provide some explanation of the issue on the article's talk page. BoJó | talk UTC 10:57, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
Articles for a dozen or so England Test cricketers were de facto deleted a few weeks ago, and there may well be others. Their problem is mainly a lack of citations, which can be readily rectified by members of this project: there is unlikely to be a problem with WP:N or WP:SIGCOV. My view is the way to tackle this is by bringing inadequacies to project members' attention here, not by wholesale destruction of work that goes back up to 20 years. I have undone the deletions I've found, but there may well be others. Johnlp ( talk) 16:56, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
Rugbyfan22. It looks as if the ones missing from the category are team captains from the second half of the 20th century: Gatting, Close, Dexter and Illingworth definitely. I'll get a full list. It's probably someone who took them out of players because they are in the captains category. BoJó | talk UTC 10:56, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
Over the years I have noticed that cricinfo (and also cricket archive) truncate values obtained by divisions (e.g batting & bowling average & strike rate) to 2 decimal places rather than rounding them. Almost all the stats on here are copied directly from one of the sites, so do we care? I know it is a minuscule difference, but I get vexxed by this!
As an example, if we use Joe Root's Test batting average : he has scored 10504 runs and been out 210 times. To 3 dp this is 50.019, which I would round to 50.02 if showing to 2 dp.
cricinfo shows 50.01.
We can calculate the figures ourselves, using something like {{
round|10504/210|2}}
to show 50.02 under the terms of
WP:CALC, but is this something anyone cares about? Does anyone have a Wisden to hand to see if they do rounding properly (or have cricketers always truncated their averages)?
Spike 'em (
talk)
15:05, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
I have nominated Cricket World Cup for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Z1720 ( talk) 21:02, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
I found these five articles, and I think there's a few problems with them:
Firstly I'm not convinced they're really appropriate topics for stand-alone lists. There's already lists of Australian international cricketers, and lists of cricketers who played for each state team, so this is starting to feel like WP:LISTCRUFT.
Secondly the selection criteria seems pretty vague and inconsistent. For example, Joe Mennie is listed as being "from" South Australia even though he lived in New South Wales until he moved to SA to play for the Redbacks, so it would seem that it's based on which domestic team they played for first instead of which state they're "from". But then Michael Bevan, who first played domestic cricket for South Australia despite being from Canberra, is not listed as being "from" South Australia.
Thirdly, though this is a smaller issue, they're out of date. Some of them haven't been updated since the 2011 World Cup.
I was going to bring them to WP:AFD to see if they should be deleted but I wanted to see if people here had any input. OliveYouBean ( talk) 22:17, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
Alright, I've nominated them at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of international cricketers from Queensland. OliveYouBean ( talk) 04:33, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
I'm dealing with someone who is constantly vandalising the page of Temba Bavuma and has been told numerous times to stop Smashedbandit ( talk) 08:53, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
Just saw the link to WP:3RR, I did two reverts on 2022–23 ICC Men's T20 World Cup Europe Qualifier yesterday, and a third about a week ago. Don't wan't to risk a ban for that :) Moedk ( talk) 10:33, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
Can I get help dealing with an editor in the IP range 2402:d000:811c::/48? They've been making edits to a couple of cricketers' articles with incorrect information (e.g. calling Ambati Rayudu and Dawlat Zadran "former" cricketers even though they still play cricket domestically), as well as this edit on Vinodh Perera which looks like straight up vandalism. I can't keep reverting them and it's hard to engage with them on talk pages because their IP changes each time they edit (so they probably aren't seeing the messages I'm leaving on user talk pages). Could a more experienced editor help me out with what to do here? OliveYouBean ( talk) 01:58, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
While cleaning up some redirects I stumbled on an unusual situation at George alexander - Northcote's First International Sportsman ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). It was tagged for a merge to George Alexander (Australian cricketer) in 2012, but was then blanked and redirected there without merging any content, seemingly by accident judging from the edit summary. The article has serious issues, but is significantly longer and more detailed than the existing article, and most of it is referenced. If this were a new article, I would probably draftify and ask the creator to merge it, but the creator is long-inactive, so I've restored the article and its decade-old merge tag, and thought I'd post here in search of someone competent to merge the two. -- Tamzin cetacean needed (she|they|xe) 01:26, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
Category:English cricket seasons from 2001 and siblings are now empty, as part of a series of deletions following Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2022_October_20#Category:English_cricket_seasons_from_1598_to_1763. See e.g. [7]
This is also going to empty Category:Seasons in Welsh cricket, Category:Cricket in Wales by year, Category:Welsh cricket in the 21st century, etc. I suspect that this is an unintended side-effect that was overlooked. Should someone simply add the English century categories into the Welsh parent categories? – Fayenatic London 18:59, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
Hi everyone,
Since there is a template and articles on Countries at the CWC, I was wondering how do people feel about a similar template for Countries at the T20 WC and one for Champions Trophy? I think it'll be really interesting and will help compile information regarding the performances of different teams at these major competitions in a better way. What does everyone else think? I'd be willing to help as much as possible. A Fantasy ( talk) 08:45, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
Hi, I've been working on the Shane Warne article since his death in order to get it up to Good Article status. It failed a GA assessment recently. I've fixed everything except a request to summarise his domestic career with Hampshire County Cricket Club and Victoria. Could anybody help out and add some information? Or point me towards an online summary I could use? Regards, Desertarun ( talk) 08:35, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
Surely 2022 ICC Men's T20 World Cup warm-up matches and 2021 ICC Men's T20 World Cup warm-up matches aren't notable enough for separate articles? They're warm-up matches that aren't proper T20I matches, as teams can field as many different players as they want. I don't see why they warrant separate articles? Joseph 2302 ( talk) 14:12, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
The 2022 NSPORTS RfC added a requirement that all sports articles are required to have a source that contains significant coverage of the topic. To help identify sports articles that lack this I've created Template:No significant coverage (sports); please add it to any such articles that you encounter, and if you are looking for an article to improve the relevant categories may be useful. BilledMammal ( talk) 13:00, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
Hello editors! What about adding a parameter for match crowd Attendance just like Template:Football box? Though attendance in a cricket match are not recorded in every match. But having such parameters won't do any harm to the template, I guess. See 2022 ICC Men's T20 World Cup. For every matches attendance was recorded. But due to unavailability of attendance parameters, it was added with the Venue parameter. If such parameter is made available then the editors can add the attendance, if it is recorded, if not, then the parameter should be left vacant. A Cricket Premi ( talk) 05:08, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
If the attendance is recorded, only then it would be mentioned, else the parameter would be left empty.In an ideal world, people would only populate it if they also add a source for it. But in reality, people will just add numbers without sources, and no way of verifying the numbers. Cricket isn't the same as some other sports that publish attendences for every game, like association football. For any decent standard football league, most match reports will include attendance figures, which means they are sourced. That isn't the case for cricket matches- ESPN Cricinfo, which we use for most match reports, doesn't usually jave the figures for attendances, so we'd need people to add a different source for it. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 11:31, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
Hi all, I'm writing an article on Islay McOwan, who, amongst many other things, represented Fiji in its inaugural first-class match, during Fiji's 1894/95 tour of New Zealand. I've got McOwan's career 1st class stats but if anyone with Cricket Archive access can tell me who the debut fc match was against (and where and when) and who he made his highest score and best bowling figures against, and any other interesting info (he obviously wicket kept as well), I would greatly appreciate it. Roisterer ( talk) 00:08, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
Hi, a week ago the Ramon Simmonds page existed as a redirect, I checked on ESPN and he's played 4 first class matches, so I took off the redirect and put a couple of lines on the page and referenced it to ESPN. First off an admin came along and put the redirect back. So I undid and pointed him at WP:NCRICKET with the comment that he's played first class cricket so passes notability. Now someone has draftified the page and left the message that databases like ESPN are no good for verifying notability. So has something changed that I don't know about? Desertarun ( talk) 11:37, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources.Some cricinfo pages do have a player profile that would count as SIGCOV, but most are just database entries. Spike 'em ( talk) 12:57, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
Could anyone give me a list of updated criteria for a cricketer to have its own article (although I am quite familiarized with the general basic criteria such as general notability)? -- WellThisIs TheReaper Grim 04:26, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
There's a discussion about whether to include future IPL teams in cricketers' infoboxes happening here. I'm letting people here know since this pertains to a lot of cricket players. OliveYouBean ( talk) 12:22, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
Is there any consensus to add these to infoboxes, for either national teams or individual players? They look like they overwhelm what are already lengthy infoboxes for me, so I feel inclined to remove them. If they do exist, then they should only include the very top level tournaments and not things like the age group, Asia Cup or tinpot 3-way series, as I've seen added. Spike 'em ( talk) 17:07, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
It would be useful to know if a player has won a world cup or asia cup. More so than when they first or last played a test in my opinion. The issue is that the title is "Medal record" which is patently the wrong thing to name it. I'd suggest that be changed to "Tournament record". Desertarun ( talk) 12:03, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
Hello all. I've recently expanded this article. If anyone has some additional material which could expand it further, that would be awesome! StickyWicket ( talk) 22:06, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
I've been looking at some of the player lists for first-class teams in Pakistan today, and I think it might be better to merge the lists for the older teams into a single list ( List of Pakistani men's cricketers (1953/54 to 2018/19), probably split up into multiple pages alphabetically). A few reasons:
It would be a lot of work to make this list, but I'm happy to do that if other people think this is a good idea. OliveYouBean ( talk) 21:54, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
Player | Span | FC | LA | T20 | Teams | Ref |
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Aamer Bashir | 1989/90–2008/09 | 201 | 140 | 9 |
Multan (1989/90–1992/93) United Bank Limited (1991/92–1996/97) Peshawar (1995/96) Bahawalpur (1997/98–1998/99) Pakistan Customs (1997/98–2003/04) Multan (2003/04–2005/06) Pakistan Telecommunication Company Limited (2004/05–2005/06) Zarai Taraqiati Bank Limited (2006/07–2008/09) |
[1] |
Player | Span | Teams | Notes | Ref |
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Aamer Bashir | 1989/90–2008/09 | Played over 350 senior matches |
References
I got started on this at User:OliveYouBean/List of Pakistani men's cricketers (1953/54 to 2018/19) with the first 50 players alphabetically. Based on the number of players (I'm estimating it's about 4,000) it would probably take a few months for me to finish this list. I'm happy to do all that work but before I fully commit I'll leave this here for a few days to see if people object to the idea. If people think it's better to keep the separate lists for each team I'll just work on those instead (which will be about the same amount of work regardless). OliveYouBean ( talk) 06:12, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
Hi all. I have recently expanded the following articles, any reviews/reassessment/improvements welcomed :)
Cheers, StickyWicket ( talk) 14:19, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
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Hi all. I've nominated John Manners for FA status here. I have been meaning to nominate his article for a while now! Any comments or feedback appreciated :) StickyWicket ( talk) 12:55, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
I think we need to revisit the nonsense that is England cricket team, England women's cricket team, Ireland cricket team and Ireland women's cricket team. It seems ludicrous to me that these four teams should participate in international cricket, and yet we don't give them the distinction of being referred to as "national teams". To all intents and purposes, the England cricket team is the national team of England and happens to include Wales as well, just as the Ireland team represents the nation of Ireland as well as the six counties north of the border. Would it be pointless of me to open a new RM? It's been three years since it was last discussed at Talk:England cricket team. – Pee Jay 03:15, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
{{ ICC Under-19 Cricket World Cup}} has information on both the men's and women's Under-19 Cricket World Cup. WOuld it not be better to separate these i.e. have one template for the men's competition and one for the women's? They're clearly run as separate competitions (unlike e.g. The Hundred (cricket) where they run men's and women's tournaments together). Joseph 2302 ( talk) 12:10, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
Been a massive expansion of the ICC Women's Under-19 Cricket World Cup page over the last couple of days, mostly with what seems to me to be unsourced statistics and tables, some of which is very WP:CRYSTAL (such as assuming the teams at the 2025 + 2027 tournaments). Obviously this kind of thing is a staple of tournament pages, but just seems massively premature, seeing as the first edition of the tournament isn't even over yet. Didn't want to just revert it though as a lot of effort has gone into it and, as I say, this kind of thing is standard. So any opinions on how to go forward on this appreciated! Mpk662 ( talk) 14:50, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
The details of the tournament will be published soon by the ICC. MD Hydrogen 123 ( talk) 16:44, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
I've been trying to find out this cricketers full name. I mean, it must exist, he played a decent amount of matches and put in some solid performances. The page was edited in 2020 by a user (now inactive) who added things — albeit unreferenced — which allude to his personal life. The detail is such I can't help but think, if it's not all made up, that it must have contained a full name. I wonder if anyone might have better luck than me? I checked the usual places for an ID. StickyWicket ( talk) 17:54, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
Is it a good source for match summaries, or should we prefer sources such as cricinfo? Roger (Dodger67) ( talk) 07:20, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
There's an ongoing article split discussion at Talk:Australian cricket team in India in 2022–23#Article should be split? about whether the series is actually 1 or 2 separate series. Please feel free to contribute your thoughts there. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 09:05, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
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13:57, 13 February 2023 (UTC)I hope this correspondence finds you in good health and high spirits. I am writing to respectfully propose an amendment to the statement on the Wikipedia article of Sir Don Bradman, which currently reads "widely acknowledged as the greatest batsman of all time".
As an avid admirer of cricket, I believe that it would be advantageous to specify that Sir Bradman is widely acknowledged as the greatest batsman of all time in the format of Test Cricket. His achievements and statistics in this format of the game are truly exceptional and have earned him a well-deserved reputation as one of the most remarkable cricketers in the history of the sport.
However, it is crucial to note that Sir Bradman did not have the opportunity to showcase his skills in contemporary formats of the game such as One Day Internationals and T20s, which entail a different set of abilities and challenges.
To ensure a clear and accurate representation of Sir Bradman's legacy and to avoid any confusion, I propose that the statement be revised to read "widely acknowledged as the greatest batsman of all time in Test Cricket (or first class cricket)". This alteration will accurately reflect the magnitude and nature of Sir Bradman's achievements, and provide a comprehensive and unambiguous understanding of his impact on cricket for fans and enthusiasts of the sport. I would be grateful for your favorable consideration of this proposal and I am available to provide any further details or clarification that may be required.
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Hi all, hope you don't mind me posting this here! The above article is at FAC, but has only had one review (which was a 'support') and is about to be archived. Any comments or suggestions at his FAC here would be much appreciated, as if successful it will be the first cricket FA for a long while! StickyWicket ( talk) 15:55, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
Hi all. There's one more existing cricket venue in Kent which has held FC matches which requires a photo. If anyone has any photos of Hesketh Park (Dartford) hanging about, or lives close by, a photo of its playing area and pavilion would be awesome. StickyWicket ( talk) 22:17, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
Hi all. Just noticed our photo coverage of cricket grounds in Staffordshire is somewhat lacking (with none of the grounds which have hosted List A matches having photos, and only one FC ground having a photo). The list of grounds is here. Thanks in advance if any Midlands-based people can snap a few pictures! StickyWicket ( talk) 11:06, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
For a great cricketer, the article on Jack Gregory is disappointingly brief. JH ( talk page) 09:43, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
[[Category:2027 in cricket]]? User:Shirt58 ( talk) 🦘 User:Shirt58 ( talk) 🦘 10:33, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
In the infobox on Mogens Christiansen, "3;/&7;" and "&20;/–" look like errors, but I'm not sure what it's supposed to look like there. -- Beland ( talk) 07:01, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
im not an expert in cricket, but did some updates on few asian tournaments, please check if all formats/technical things are correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.2.200.205 ( talk) 04:32, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
You may be interested in this village pump discussion on draftifiying nearly a thousand Olympians. BeanieFan11 ( talk) 14:44, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
I've started a discussion that could use this project's input at the idea lab village pump. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 23:47, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
I have had 4 edits reverted (well, 2 different edits, but one of them got reverted 3 times) and am wondering if they were justified. The article Australian cricket team in India in 2022–23 has, under the 4th Test, the note "Cameron Green (Aus) scored his maiden century in Tests." I noticed Green's score was not in the match summary, so I added it for context. Despite me trying to add it, it has been removed 3 times: [11] [12] [13]. Similarly at Sri Lankan cricket team in New Zealand in 2022–23 I tried to add Nicholls' score to the note "Henry Nicholls (NZ) scored his first double century in Tests" and it got reverted [14]. I can't see the logic against including relevant information. Where there is a note saying Green/Nicholls reached a milestone, surely most readers would want to know what they scored? Is there some policy I am unaware of? Adpete ( talk) 03:07, 24 March 2023 (UTC), revised Adpete ( talk) 02:02, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi all. I've just expanded George Wilder (cricketer) (2-years after I said I would :D) and happened across an entry by Walford in The County Families of the United Kingdom for Wilder, in which it states he was educated at Eton and St John's College, Oxford. However, I can't seem to find anything to back this up. I wonder if anyone has access to the Eton College Register 1889-1899? I hope that might shed some light on this claim, as the 1883 to 1889 and 1893 to 1899 registers don't mention him, so I am hoping his entry will be in that four year gap. Cheers, StickyWicket ( talk) 10:10, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
Is there any difference between cricket leagues and cricket competitions? So far as I can tell, there isn't, yet we have separate categories Category:Cricket leagues and Category:Cricket competitions and an absolute bunch of similar sub categories such as Category:Cricket leagues in Afghanistan and Category:Afghan domestic cricket competitions (which seem to be for the same things). Joseph 2302 ( talk) 11:32, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
I'm currently writing match descriptions for Brisbane Heat's 2022–23 season, and in the match starting time, some matches use AEST and some use AEDT. Can I just write 14:30 (AEST)/16:40 (AEDT) or should one take precedence over the other? Nautilusblue8 ( talk) 03:31, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
Found this - Patrick Tice. I've pruned it, but they feel non-notable. They've only played for Cambridge University, and an Irish club. Only non-statistic reference is a passing reference in an article on his sister. Secretlondon ( talk) 13:47, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
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Please offer input in Talk:2013_Yorkshire_Bank_40#Requested_move_27_March_2023. Thank you! – CityUrbanism 🗩 🖉 18:44, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
Just tidying up and expanding James Schofield (cricketer, born 1978) and I noticed he took a wicket with his first ball in first-class and List A cricket. Have any other players achieved his unique double? StickyWicket ( talk) 15:30, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
Hi. I am seeking attention of all editors of cricket project. Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2023 Cricket World Cup final. The article creator claims it as notable saying that it is a match of the world's best event (CWC). But I think there should not be a separate article unless in-depth details are confirmed, or the date of match comes closer (and finalists are confirmed). RoboCric ( talk) 16:31, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
Did my part to expand them, but still a lot of references are available. This article is quite in-depth. If any Pakistani editor is reading this, I'd say please help. Thank you. 103.244.179.234 ( talk) 01:32, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
I've noticed that for international teams, there are templates for men's and women's teams that have vastly different amounts of content. The men's team templates e.g. {{tl|England cricket team}} has far less information than the women's team templates e.g. {{ England women's cricket team}}, {{ Sri Lanka women's national cricket team}} have links for every series home and away that has an article. I believe these should be standardised, and my preference would be less information is more useful, so the men's templates are better, as I believe the women's templates are far too long to be useful. Thoughts? Joseph 2302 ( talk) 11:04, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Major League Cricket (defunct)#Requested move 23 April 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 20:33, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
This article was put up for proposed deletion by a user of 17 years' standing. Odd. If anyone could help out with it, please do. Bobo . 19:25, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
It's that time of year again, leather on willow is in full swing... or spin! We still have many more FC/LA/T20 venues which don't have photos, a list of which can be found here. There are subsections for England, Scotland, Wales, and Ireland (including Northern Ireland). Any photos greatly appreciated (particularly for Essex, Nottinghamshire and Staffordshire, which seem to be the most poorly covered English counties). StickyWicket ( talk) 13:34, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
I've updated the List of Denmark List A cricketers, with their matches in 2019–2022 ICC Cricket World Cup Challenge League, when I total the matches I get 495/11 = 45, but under captains there is only listed 44, a discrepancy that also was there before the update, there is a link to a list of List A matches played by Denmark on CricketArchive, but I don't acces to CA, so can't use that. Moedk ( talk) 03:48, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
This article was sent to PROD for having no sources - in fact, it did have sources, but they were hidden by an overly keen user three years ago and I hadn't noticed. Is there some way we can get the article to a decent state please?
I note that the sources were removed by a user who was permabanned for three years for continued disruptive behaviour. Bobo . 05:14, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
Given that Barney Cutbill has now been redirected, I see very little difference in principle between this (Barney Cutbill pre-redirect), and the article on (for example) John Hitchmough (cricketer, born 1958). How much less can be written in 4,000 bytes of text that is any different and would escape notice? Or Michael Bissex, whose article is pretty threadbare for a cricketer with 212 first-class appearances and only links to CA and CI, who appears to have very little information indepdendent of stats sites and mirrors to be verifiable to the everyday user. I challenge anyone to redirect an article on a cricketer with 212 first-class appearances.
Note that this applies to almost every article on every English domestic cricketer whose article(s) have been redirected - and probably dozens which haven't. Bobo . 22:16, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
By my reckoning, there are at least 74 articles in Category:Bedfordshire cricketers alone which are barely anything other than advanced statdumps. Bobo . 11:21, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
I've just created this page. I need some extra refs though, can someone have a look? Is there a page about the club on cricket archive? Desertarun ( talk) 10:02, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
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Lots of franchise cricket articles are using both
Module:CricketLeagueGroupStageSummary and
Module:CricketLeagueProgression to show teams' results and progressions e.g.
2023 Indian Premier League#Match summary. The colours in these 2 modules are different i.e. one module uses purple for a home win, whereas the other uses purple for a no result. Can we standardise the colours of these 2 templates, or even better, do we actually need the colours at all, since they violate
MOS:COLOR, which says that Ensure that color is not the only method used to communicate important information.
Joseph
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14:45, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
I hope I speak for the arch-inclusionists who have come and gone and who may still be reading this - that amongst us will (have) see(n) one simple means for the project - to have an infinitely navigable list of cricketers for every first-class team and the means to go back and forward to each team. I don't feel this creates a "walled garden". Just an easily accessible list of players and their accomplishments. If this creates an article such as List of Gwalior cricketers with just eleven names, so be it. If the difference between an article being "acceptable" or not becomes a pretty little infobox, so be it. If the difference between an article being "acceptable" or not is the word "References" rather than "External links", that's pretty easily fixable. Some see this as a problem, some do not. And that's where we have landed. What's the point of contributing?
It's worth noting that within the last 30 days, there have only been only five articles created which link to Category:English cricketers. Every single one of those five has been created by AA. This pretty much shows a level of apathy towards the project which is only now rearing its head. Bobo . 12:51, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
The identity of my longstanding mystery Europeans cricketer who seemed to be a handy bowler might be about to be solved. My BNA access is being resolved at the moment, but the suspense is killing me! Would someone with access be kind enough to see if the John Sidney Vesey Brown mentioned in this 1976 obituary was ever in India, or to have played cricket? His obituary is here. Thanks in advance. AssociateAffiliate ( talk contribs) 21:43, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
A correction was printed the following day to state that it was his father (Charles Sidney), Lincoln's first electrical engineer, who installed the cathedral lights. wjemather please leave a message... 21:56, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
I notice that the Interpro T20 match between Leinster and Northern Knights at Cork is currently delayed by bees. Anyone ever seen a stoppage as weird as this? StickyWicket ( talk) 16:08, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
I want the following Wiki pages to be reassessed- Jasprit Bumrah Bhuvneshwar Kumar Mohammed Shami জয় হিন্দ জয় বাংলা ( talk) 06:13, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
Category:English cricket captains has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. — Oculi ( talk) 09:08, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
Can we have some eyes on the 586 Irish cricketers that should appear in that category? Someone has taken it upon themselves to remove that category from hundreds of articles. This is not how we as a project categorise cricketers - they have always gone: Nationality → International format played → Domestic team played for. Over 400 cricketers have been removed from the category without prior consensus from here and it will take me an absolute age to revert ): StickyWicket ( talk) 22:58, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
cricket categories work completely different to categories about lawyers or clowns, then please link to the WP:RFC where that was agreed. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 13:44, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
Category:Irish cricketers and Category:Cricketers from County Kerry are very different]]. Those from Kerry are a subset of Irish.
:::::: You will also have Irish cricketers who aren't from Irish counties but get their cricketing nationality from ancestry - just as you have English cricketers (and England crickters who come from South Africa or the West Indies). Things are not as simple as they appear, and this sort of diffusing doesn't seem appropriate.
Nigel Ish (
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11:40, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::::: Indeed we have
List of cricketers who have played for two international teams - and also lots of odd things about passports and nationality that happen so that people can do things like play in the County Championship as a non-overseas player. Other sports have all sorts of things like this - just look at Rugby (both codes) or athletics where nationality and sporting nationality are movable feasts.
Nigel Ish (
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13:23, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
nationality and sporting nationality are movable feasts
"concise and do exactly what they say on the tin"is evidently not the case – I explained why above. Surely, best practice is to hold a discussion to formulate a proposal prior to an RFC, and even establish if one is actually necessary. Going straight to an RFC is often not advisable at all. wjemather please leave a message... 15:14, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
would be worthless. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 16:25, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
Hi all. I've expanded this Hampshire player and international umpire, but can't find an obituary anywhere. It seems a little odd that a man who was umpiring Test and World Cup matches in the decade prior to his death should simply disappear into obscurity by 1986. Would anyone be kind enough to see if they have more luck? Cheers, StickyWicket aka AA ( talk) 09:52, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
Coming back to a topic from 18 months ago. At that time the discussion went in the direction of Medal Records are OR and so should not be added, but still quite a lot of articles have them attached to the infoboxes (see Steve Smith (cricketer)). Is there a consensus to delete this from the articles?-- Maphry ( talk) 22:17, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
Letting editors here know that there's going to be soon a proposal to mass remove over 1,000 cricket players, and if that succeeds, several more will be made that will be even larger-see User:BilledMammal/Mass Creation Draftification. BeanieFan11 ( talk) 14:32, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
So, an AWB-assisted analysis of the list above shows that only six of the articles in this batch relate to international cricketers:
I can't easily catch articles for those with so many appearances in domestic cricket, and reading through the guidelines set out for this draftification, getting any of these articles back will be pretty easy if they meet the criteria. Harrias (he/him) • talk 20:39, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
Project participants may be interested in joining the discussion at Talk:Twenty20 International#Requested move 5 July 2023. St Anselm ( talk) 22:16, 5 July 2023 (UTC)